Feedback Requests

[vale vapor]

compression is the best way to give it more punch

[shut igloo]

Without the boost, it sounds very light, with the boost it sounds kinda wideish

[vale vapor]

yeah try to compress the snare more

[shut igloo]

I changed the ratio to 4:1 slow attack fast release

Thresh to -3.8

Attack around 16 ms

[vale vapor]

slow attack isn't going to sound good on a snare because it's not going to be hitting it much

[vale vapor]

did you watch the video tutorial i sent you

[shut igloo]

Not yet m just tryna fix the snare and he'sd off to sleep

*head

I'll watch it tomorrow

[shut igloo]

So ure saying I should change the ratio?

[vale vapor]

i literally said nothing about ratio at all

😭

[shut igloo]

Oh my bad

Gng it's almost 3am

My brain is starting to fog up 😭😭

[vale vapor]

Go to sleep and hit it again in the morning

[shut igloo]

Attack it is

How much ms attack should I put

[vale vapor]

the video covers that so u should check it out tmr

[halcyon holly]

that's not really true

but define "slow"

16 is perfect for a snare really

[vale vapor]

yeah i was gonna say 16 ms doesnt seem slow 😭

thats like regular

[halcyon holly]

it is

I guess it's kinda on the edge of being medium

For snares 15-30 is slow

10 is medium

[vale vapor]

yeah

[halcyon holly]

5 is fast

anyway yeah, this is what i'm hearing

get rid of that

remove soundgoodizer

just get rid of it

[vale vapor]

yep

LOL

[halcyon holly]

I don't know why you're limiting your snare but not compressing

Your 1176 is inactive

[shut igloo]

Yeah someonee told me 76 I too fast for snare

[halcyon holly]

Oh are you using the FL limiter as a compr

[shut igloo]

Yessss

[halcyon holly]

Very true

In this case it might not sound bad

1176 on snare can work on snares with a reaalllly loose transient

okay do this

and then send

remove low mid boost

remove soundgoodizer

Remove limiter

Add 3-5db of compresion on 1176 with slowest attack and release at like 5-6

[shut igloo]

Used 1176 here

[halcyon holly]

whole mix is a bit overcompressed but yes the snare is better here

[shut igloo]

@halcyon holly

[halcyon holly]

Generally speaking 1176 is too fast but here it kinda work

though there are still better choices

[halcyon holly]

do all this for me and re render

[shut igloo]

M exporting a version without soundgoodizer aaand I goofed around comp

[halcyon holly]

not particularly because i think it'd sound better but because i wanna hear what is doing what

[shut igloo]

Check thaattt

check this @halcyon holly

give your suggestion imma try all of that tomm now m so done for the day 😭😭😭

[halcyon holly]

yeah you're right that it lacks low end without the boost

I think this is a redo moment

Just redo the mix

[shut igloo]

Redo the wholeeee snare mix?

[vale vapor]

Yes

For sure

[shut igloo]

💀💀🫡🫡

Tomm it is

[halcyon holly]

sounds like a pain in the ass but i promise it's worth it

Your second mix will likely be better, and you'll learn more

[shut igloo]

If i remove everything the snare sounds light and dry

To remove the dryness I added a bit of reverb

To remove the lightness and make it more punchy what should I do

I'll look all of the msges tomm now

Peace out

[versed remnant]

Gang

I had to reser my pc

Bc it got bricked

It took me 3 hours

But i can finally once again load my mix

With nonissues

Shit sounds so good again

I’m so happy

I’m so tired

[versed remnant]

were you the one who sent me the snare bomb

i forgot who sent it

but i need it back

bc it wasn't on my external

so i lost it in the reset

[runic adder]

3-5db boost at around 200hz and add a compressor

tighter q for the EQ boost, you want to basically just grab that tall peak when it hits

[vale vapor]

yeah the boost he had on 200hz was like 10db i think

.

16db actually 😭

[runic adder]

that is more than just 200 im ngl

[vale vapor]

yeah its like

the entire body fundamental

plus more

😭

[halcyon holly]

yeah that is more like a 150-600 boost

[vale vapor]

LOL

[shut igloo]

Morning gng

[kind trail]

Have you ever tried putting a clipper on the snare?

[shut igloo]

Nup

Elaborate

@runic adder so I re did the eq
With almost 5db boost around 100 and 200

Imma send the track tell me if u find a diff in snare

@runic adder @vale vapor @halcyon holly

[kind trail]

Clipping the snare can give it that 127 velocity impact that just cuts through everything

[shut igloo]

how do i clip it by decreasing threshold?

[runic adder]

You just want to grab that 200hz

But off my phone speakers it sounds better

[shut igloo]

there wasnt much difference on just boosting 200 with comp a lil bit of 100 made it so much diff

[vale vapor]

Ehh not always

[tribal orbit]

@shut igloo Tried something new mix wise. Not sure how it sounds outside of my headphones. Havent had time to do speaker or car test yet

[shut igloo]

love the syncopated kicks ig in the chorus

they give off a hella noice feel

[tribal orbit]

mix wise, tho, nice on the ears?

[shut igloo]

m listening on my earphones

so far so good

[tribal orbit]

[shut igloo]

also smoll suggestion u should make completely electronic synth pads etc etc typ intro that builds up to the part where the guitar and drums kick in

if u can do that

would sound kinda kewl

[tribal orbit]

like a pre-intro?

this is pretty much a sequel track to Reservation for the Donner Party, so it's be a bit too close if we did that

[shut igloo]

yessir

[halcyon holly]

Kinda the opposite

[halcyon holly]

Much, much better. Nice one

[kind trail]

Hmmm Idk, worked fine for me on my Snare for some reason🤷‍♂️

[halcyon holly]

It can. But fundamentally clipping does the opposite

Context matters. If your snare was too quiet and clicky then yes, clipping will help. In this case, we have the opposite issue. So clipping will make things worse

[kind trail]

I see

[tribal orbit]

@halcyon holly could I get some thoughts on my .wav file by any chance?

[kind trail]

Good to know ✌️

[shut igloo]

thanks for the tips mate 🫡🫡

[cerulean storm]

As usual, I struggle to fit the vocals in. Probably gonna take 50 years before I'm somewhat satisfied with this one.

[halcyon holly]

sounds good 👍🏻

[halcyon holly]

The vocals are just very dark and everything is overcompressed. Ease up on the master/bus compression and boost (ideally good sounding) frequencies in the high end

What mic are you using?

SM7B is my guess

[cerulean storm]

The vocals, yeah. I don't really know how to make them brighter, everything I've tried doesn't work. But I only have a limiter on the master track at -3. Do you mean putting an EQ on the master track too?

[cerulean storm]

It's a Rode NT1 Signature Black

[halcyon holly]

Oh, that's very very strange

the nt1 is an exceptionally bright mic

[cerulean storm]

Right, whatever I do, I just always seem to never get it right

[halcyon holly]

Lemme take a closer look

the mix is completely crushed, disable your limiter and repost so i can hear where you're at without it

[cerulean storm]

Okay. I just have a limiter there so it makes the song louder.

[halcyon holly]

Just repost for me

Could be the limiter on the master. Could be something else. Impossible to tell without knowing what's happening where

[cerulean storm]

Makes sense

[halcyon holly]

Could also be compression

can you send your master chain for me?

Or is it literally just the limiter

[cerulean storm]

There's just a limiter on the master track, yes

I don't really use compressors either

[halcyon holly]

What makes me think it's limiting or compression is that when your guitar is playing at the start, your mix is the same volume as when the kick and snare come in. Your guitars in solo shouldn't be the same volume as your full mix together

You can also see this in the waveform i attached above

[halcyon holly]

Interesting

Okay, do me another favour: disable limiter, reduce volume by like 10db

[cerulean storm]

Ah, okay

Gotta re-render it too

[halcyon holly]

Your mix is very, very dark overall. I'm boosting about 6-7db to get things to a normal level in the high end

Really, the problem seems to lay at around 3-5khz. Hole in the mix there, and far too much up in the 12khz range

here was my master eq to balance things out

[cerulean storm]

Yeah, I'm completely self-taught and all my knowledge comes from YouTube, basically 😅

[cerulean storm]

That looks really strange

[halcyon holly]

Thats okay, so are most people and similarly, most people teach themselves through youtube (and then undo everything taught from there after they realise no one has any idea what they're on about)

[cerulean storm]

Wth have I been doing xD

[halcyon holly]

Yep, most likely only because i'm doing this on the master, and, undoing the stuff you've already done to the mix

For you, this would likely just look like a wide 3-6khz boost and a 14khz dip

[cerulean storm]

Here's the new render

[halcyon holly]

So this is without limiting and turned down a bit?

[cerulean storm]

Yes

[halcyon holly]

Sounds better, but still not quite there. I'm still hearing some pumping

From here, it's really hard to say what's going on over discord without knowing your processing chain for everything

Can you name the places that there are limiters/compressors on your mix?

busses, mixbusses, groups etc

[cerulean storm]

Okay

So there's compressors on the vocal masters and bass, and I have a side chain on my drums (my plugin is EZdrummer with the death metal dlc) with a compressor too.

[halcyon holly]

Take off every single compressor in this mix and resend

I mean every single one

i promise there's a point to this lmao

[cerulean storm]

Sure thing

I understand where you're getting, don't worry 😅

The bass became REALLY loud when I threw off the compressor

But yes, it's rendering now. Just lowered the bass a bit

So are there any other ways of making a mix louder? @halcyon holly

[runic adder]

louder doesn't necessarily mean better

but limiting helps with that

it's just that sometimes limiting too much will crush a mix

[cerulean storm]

No no, just loud enough to reach the normal standard

[runic adder]

the normal standard is that your track typically will get lowered in volume by most streaming services

[cerulean storm]

Here's the new render @halcyon holly

[runic adder]

if you've heard anything about -14lufs just ignore it lowk

[vale vapor]

Ross im sorry i dragged you into getting pinged 20 times a day lmao

when people see good advice its a magnet

[runic adder]

but typically a limiter on the master will do that, just set the limit to 0db or smth (I set to -0.2 just bc thats how I was taught)

then just run the track into it, I typically have the highest peaks get limited by 2db so nothing extreme

[cerulean storm]

Hm, I've had mine on -3 for a long time

[halcyon holly]

Make a good mix

[halcyon holly]

Yep, still something wrong going on here

[runic adder]

yeah you can bump the limit up to 0 or -0.2 or smth

[halcyon holly]

Can anyone else hear the absurd pumping or am i going insane lmao

[runic adder]

but yea fix your mix first then limit

[cerulean storm]

I don't really konw what you mean with "pumping"

[halcyon holly]

Pumping comes from overactive dynamic range processing

Specifically it's the sound of gain reduction releasing

[cerulean storm]

So what could be causing that

[vale vapor]

i hear it

[vale vapor]

do you have any channels clipping

[halcyon holly]

Anything applying gain reduction

[cerulean storm]

Some master tracks are, yes

[vale vapor]

This may be the problem

[halcyon holly]

bruh

[vale vapor]

turn every track down until nothing is clipping anymore

There should be no clipping on your channels or master

[cerulean storm]

Oh

[halcyon holly]

So you're aware that tracks are clipping, but you don't see it as an issue?

[cerulean storm]

I mean, I've always thought about it, but I've never really had anyone to ask about it

[halcyon holly]

Okay, reduce the volume of all channels

[halcyon holly]

For the record this is what i meant when i said

[cerulean storm]

Will do 🫡

By the way, thank you so much for helping and sorry for being dogshit at this 😭 🙏

[halcyon holly]

It's really no problem, you're doing a great job

It's just a tricky subject lol

[cerulean storm]

Thanks, it is indeed

[halcyon holly]

bare in mind: audio engineering is an ENGINEERING subject

Engineering is hard lol

[cerulean storm]

😂

Yes

[kind trail]

I went through 22 iterations on this mix in the last 7 hours. What do y'all think? Any suggestions? Imagine that the vocals were actually good, and try to just judge the mix, not the abysmal performance on it please.

[halcyon holly]

• guitars are very very dark
• infact, so is everything else
• guitars need to come up
• cymbals need to come down
• vocals need more compression

[vale vapor]

literally what i was about to say you just typed it faster

😭

[halcyon holly]

What compression settings are you currently using for vocals

[vale vapor]

120wpm vs 180 or whatever

[halcyon holly]

180 on a bad day, yeah

[kind trail]

Is this me or the other guy?

[halcyon holly]

you

Overall the guitars just feel very washed and underdetailed in the mix, most likely a levelling issue between guitar and cymbals and similarly a frequency resposne problem

[kind trail]

Well I have the lead vocals going into the Punch Vocals setting on Pro-C, threshold at -18, which goes into a VC 76, 4.5 attack, 3.8 release, 8 attack, into the JST BG-Vocals Bold, Loud, 76% compression

[halcyon holly]

All of this is useless without the amount of compression being applied

[kind trail]

Guess so

[cerulean storm]

I'm letting you take care of this guy now, and I'll let the render to its thing. Nothing's clipping now at least. Like I said, I'm not great at this, only been making music for around a year. Thanks again!

[halcyon holly]

if you're applying 0.2db of compression on each of those there's no point and you need more compression, if you're applying 20db on each you need to back it off and that might help

Funnily enough, too much compression can sound like not enough compression

[runic adder]

also drum too roomy

too much room in drums

make close mics louder 😤

[vale vapor]

personally im a fan of massive roomy drums but yea the close mics are pretty quiet

you gotta do big room drums correctly

[cerulean storm]

I mostly just use Reaper's stock plugins for the mixing part, and I'm just 20 and my job applications keep getting denied, so can't really buy much lol

[vale vapor]

no reaper stock plugins will work just fine

[cerulean storm]

They have so far

[vale vapor]

most of the plugins in my daily use are free or reaper stock

theres only like 2-5 paid plugins i use

[cerulean storm]

Here's the new render, again @halcyon holly

[runic adder]

Lmao sameeeeeee

[halcyon holly]

yep, better

[cerulean storm]

That means I'm doing something right 😅

[halcyon holly]

today we have learnt: clipping your channels isn't a good idea

[cerulean storm]

😂

Yeah

So can I enable the limiter now and if I want a track to be louder without clipping, could I use a limiter on it?

[kind trail]

When you say everything else

You mean literally everything?

Like Vocals, cymbals, bass, perc, extra production sounds

[halcyon holly]

the whole thing minus cymbs

maybe cymbs too

hard to say

[kind trail]

Either way. This is all I'm doing for tonight. I need to sleep so I can operate today

Wdyt?

@halcyon holly @runic adder

[runic adder]

I still think the drums are too roomy

guitar & bass could come up (slightly)

sounds clearer tho

[kind trail]

Ok

One last one

@runic adder

[runic adder]

bro

[runic adder]

you said you gotta sleep 😭

[kind trail]

Ik but like

The mix

I brought down the whole room by like 7 dB

[runic adder]

kick sounds better fs

[kind trail]

But I upped the snare room specifically by 3-4

I'm trying to keep that roomy snare

[runic adder]

i get it

[kind trail]

Welp

[runic adder]

but also (TOMORROW) you should work on the snare and it's rooms

[kind trail]

My head's spinning

so I really need to go now

[runic adder]

think the close mic could use some high end

[runic adder]

dude go tf to sleep

[kind trail]

I"ll see what I can do

tomorrow

[real harness]

Hey, So I was experimenting with some synths on this one. But mostly was trying to concentrate on the mix being clean. So, if anyone has any critique here, please, I'd love to hear it.
https://youtu.be/VLZOkk3sx_c?si=IUmcbZ7u8OZZStDd

[versed remnant]

advice on the mix please @vale vapor

[spark sedge]

I'd love advice on my mix!

[balmy forum]

tf is a goodizer

yes, now just layer 13928342191283649218374921836419234872139482163948127394712364981236491283 serum tracks

[kind trail]

@runic adder @halcyon holly Can't seem to get the vocals to sit nicely, I keep bouncing between over and undercompressed, and I have no real Idea what I'm doing to the vocals tbh

[runic adder]

snare sounds better

not sure how much I can help w vocals or vocal compression

[runic adder]

I'd lower the vocals a little bit

sounds cool otherwise

[runic adder]

soundgoodizer is a plugin

baaaaasically a mb compressor from what I hear

and because of its name people like to slap it on a lot of things

[runic adder]

question

what're you doing on your bass

[vale vapor]

Its a Maximus preset funnily enough

ABC and D you can all find in maximus

[runic adder]

Lmao

What’s Maximus

[vale vapor]

Fl studio stock compressor lol

[runic adder]

Ah

Lmao

[kind trail]

Essentially, the left half applies a solid amount of distortion and saturation, whereas the right half brings out the natural sounding pick attack

Bass VST is UmanskyBass

The first Saturn 2 is my best approximation of a Darkglass pedal without using the actual VST

[vale vapor]

Dang bruh lol

Just get parallax

[kind trail]

I do have it

I have Parallax and Darkglass

[vale vapor]

Yeah sounds like a ton of extra steps when you can just use parallax

[kind trail]

I just wanted to try something different as an experiment

[vale vapor]

Even podfarm lol

[kind trail]

and it stuck

[vale vapor]

Oh gotcha

Carry on then

We support experimentation here

Speaking of I've been trying to move as much of my workflow to free or stock plugins as possible

The few i haven't been able to replace are Saturn2 and Pro Q's EQ match feature

Saturn 2 I've never been able to find a worthwhile free alternative for

And afaik there isn't any good EQ match features in any free EQ

Oh also Ozone limiter, it's unbeatable

If anyone has suggestions lmk

[kind trail]

Yeah Saturn is just really good

Fundamentally it's unique

[vale vapor]

Yep

[kind trail]

Multiband Saturation

Theoretically

[vale vapor]

It's a daily for me, for sure

[kind trail]

If you're on Studio One

You could use Splitters

[vale vapor]

I'm on reaper

[kind trail]

Split by frequency bands

and add saturators on each

but like

[vale vapor]

Reaper has splitters but thats a headache compared to just one plugin

[kind trail]

that's a step too far for me

[vale vapor]

Yep

Its not convenient

[kind trail]

Yeah exactly

I swapped from the NDSP plugins to Saturn because they were both saturators, but Saturn was easier on the CPU

If I have to replace 1 plugin with 4 it's not necessarily that efficient anymore

[vale vapor]

Lol yep

[kind trail]

I just realized. What if the reason everything sounds like shit is because I'm not high-passing everything? Like all that sub-20Hz Frequencies might be slamming the limiter/clipper

or might just be flubbing everything

[vale vapor]

Well only highpass if it actually needs to be highpassed

[kind trail]

There's a lot of bass-y sounds and elements in the mix. I'm gonna see what happens

So, I checked on my Clipper, and apparently I knocked off 1dB of GR from High Passing

Now that I have that headroom back maybe I can do something with it.

Problem is, I'm having a hard time hearing a single word if I drop it further

[kind trail]

Just did the car check in like 3 different systems. It definitely fixed the low end rumble bullshit

Everything is way more discernable

[runic adder]

Wasn’t talking to you

[runic adder]

Doubt it, I looked at your track and saw a noticeable dip past like 300hz

Which is why I was asking about your bass setup 😭

[kind trail]

Wait I'm blind

[kind trail]

Well I high passed the Bass. I was able to undo some other EQ movements and bring the bass up a couple of dB without completely losing definition. hopefully I can do a bit more.

[versed remnant]

@vale vapor @runic adder

[runic adder]

high passed the bass :/

[runic adder]

the bass needs to come up

[kind trail]

High passed the frequencies literally nobody's going to hear unless they're a literal whale

[runic adder]

meaning?

[kind trail]

I cut everything below 20Hz

[versed remnant]

turn it up or change my eq?

[runic adder]

ok well that's not what i mean when I reference the low end dip in your track

[runic adder]

turn it up

[versed remnant]

okok

also is it legal to have a second kick track with a less bassy kick but its more high end to add like more of a punch sound ias well as bassy

[kind trail]

By high passing the bass I'm able to turn the bass up without slamming my clipper to hell and reintroduce some of those other frequencies, so maybe I can fix the dip

[kind trail]

I'd say just choose a different kick if you can, but I used to do that

[versed remnant]

if ur highpassing ur bass for tone add a sub and chain them tg to add that bsas back in

[kind trail]

I'm not getting rid of anything super important like the sub. Just the sub-20Hz info

[runic adder]

i don't think that makes much of a difference. your issue isn't at 20hz, it's that everything below 150hz is only your kick

and that 150hz is your snare

[kind trail]

Because I turned all those other bass frequencies down because I mistakenly thought those were the main issue, causing massive rumbling and clipper slamming

[versed remnant]

i really fw the kick sound i just feel like the way i have it mixed is fine just i want to hear it a little more as opposed to feeling so i just think i wanna add a clickier one on top

[versed remnant]

ahh

[runic adder]

turn em back up then

[kind trail]

That's what I said I did

[runic adder]

your 100hz range needs some love from your bass

[kind trail]

Now that I got rid of the useless frequencies, I was able to spare the lost headroom for those 20-160Hz frequencies

So I already turned that shit back up

[runic adder]

ok

don't make me show you the reference track 😤

[kind trail]

Low-key tho

Might high pass the bass some more and add a square wave bass

Go all in on thr Northlane sound

[runic adder]

there's nothing there to high pass big dawg

just add the square bass already 😭

red track is Deadvectors - Shrieker, level matched to the best of my ability

[kind trail]

I'll first show you what it sounds like

[kind trail]

Banger reference

[runic adder]

cuz im running off this

this is the most recent version I have access to

[kind trail]

I'm on 31

[runic adder]

yeah I reference it for all my double drop C tracks

[kind trail]

I'm also not at my desk rn

[kind trail]

Fair

[runic adder]

well then you're on 30 until 31 is available to be heard

preferably with a little more bass in it

[kind trail]

No, YOU'RE on 30 until 31 is available

[runic adder]

fair

then I will continue to roast 30 because there's no bass

[wraith hare]

well i hear some weird frequencies in my chain and soothe makes it sound better

found this fop test in my renders

[kind trail]

Tbh I thought 32 had too much bass so I dropped it a little, but wdyt?

@runic adder

Changed the mix a little more

[mighty terrace]

I wrote this, ik the playing needs improving but I feel like there’s too much low end and the tapping isn’t loud enough (probable skill issue) it is recorded on phone tho and I am getting some parts of a recording setup. Just wanted thoughts

[vale vapor]

Shall reply soon ive been busy

[vale vapor]

Guitar tone is veeery harsh around the 3k range

Drums sound really good!

Snare could use a little more punch, maybe a tiny bit more compression and bring it up a smidge

bass could be a little louder as well

also, if you have a reverb on your overheads, turn it way down, it's a little too noticeable

[vale vapor]

guitars sound really buzzy

i would recommend using a better IR

kick and snare need to come way up imo

if you wouldnt mind, i could mix a section of it to demonstrate the kind of sound you could aim for

[kind trail]

Not at all, go for it

Although I have to say. I'm going for a buzzy Guitar sound

Trying to make it sound good-ish

Looking for a new sound, kinda thing

[vale vapor]

If you wanna send me the raw stems as .wav files feel free to drop them in a google drive and pop it over in my dm

[kind trail]

Ok

How do I export the drums as stems?

I use a VST

[vale vapor]

Do you have your kick, snare, toms, and cymbals all routed to separate channels?

[kind trail]

Yeah

[vale vapor]

ok just select each of those channels and export via stems

turn off all processing except for the midi VST itself

[balmy forum]

hey can i get some vocal mixing tips, this is a draft of a song me and my friend wrote, i know the track is bleeding but this was recorded on an ipad

[vale vapor]

First tip is don't record on an ipad

you need to get the recording right at the source

you can try all the mixing tips you want but ultimately recording on an ipad is just a bad idea all around

[kind trail]

I sent you a GDrive link on DM btw

[vale vapor]

Yeah once im finished listening to the new Adept album ill check it out

[balmy forum]

i dont have a mic dude

[vale vapor]

Then put priority into saving for one, or borrow one

it would be better to wait for you to get a mic than to try to fix an ipad recording

because it's not gonna sound very good

[balmy forum]

yeah but arnt all mics like 400$

[kind trail]

LMAO No

You can get a decent one for 100

A beginner one

Audio Technica sells

[vale vapor]

bruh

have you googled any mics at all lol

[balmy forum]

wtf! what happed to everything being like 1000 and up

[mighty terrace]

This is one I ordered

[kind trail]

That was like, a long time ago dude

[vale vapor]

i dont think that ever was the case, ever

😭

[kind trail]

lIke 20 years ago

[mighty terrace]

1K on a mic is madness

[vale vapor]

Like i asked have you literally ever researched any prices at all

[kind trail]

before DAWs and EDM

[vale vapor]

probably longer than that

[kind trail]

Probably

[mighty terrace]

Can’t wait

[kind trail]

I just gave a conservative estimate

You're in the age of the bedroom musician

[vale vapor]

the year 2000 was 25 years ago now 😭

its insane

[kind trail]

FUCH

I'm old

[mighty terrace]

Me being born in 2005…

Tbf I was born in a peak metalcore year.

[vale vapor]

too young to enjoy it tho

[balmy forum]

hey your still lucky

[mighty terrace]

IK

I wish I was a 90s kid

[balmy forum]

i was born 12 years after it

[mighty terrace]

First album I listened to was augment by erra so…

A bloody banging introduction

[vale vapor]

you were born 2017????

[kind trail]

I was born 2001, so I See Stars (when they were good lmao), and ERRA were my metalcore intro

[balmy forum]

no 2012

[mighty terrace]

AYYY

MY G

[vale vapor]

end of the world party is one of my top albums of all time

it's so good

[mighty terrace]

hybrid earth and rebirth r song id die to somehow learn to play

[kind trail]

Oh and Northlane

[vale vapor]

3d is fire too but end of the world party is a little better

[kind trail]

With Adrian

[mighty terrace]

SET ME FREE

[kind trail]

BUM BUM

BU BU

BUUUUM

[mighty terrace]

insert Drop F#

[kind trail]

BU BUUM BU BUUUm

[balmy forum]

BUDUMBUM BUDUMBUM BA SET ME FREE

[mighty terrace]

I also listened to a lot of crabcore

…

I have no regrets

[kind trail]

I mean

Fair

[mighty terrace]

Bro Drop C# chugs n dissonance is to die for

and ur classing 01 chug

classic*

[kind trail]

I used to listen to Escape the Fate religiously before I discovered Dream Theater, Tesseract, and Periphery

[mighty terrace]

Yeah I love ETF

[vale vapor]

i pretty much only listen to risecore

[mighty terrace]

I got into amity affliction pretty early too.

[vale vapor]

aka the mature version of crabcore lol

[balmy forum]

blackout, parkway drive, killing with a smile

[mighty terrace]

Do old MMF count as rise core

like the sinner?

[mighty terrace]

I saw PWD live recently

[vale vapor]

yes

for sure

very much so

[mighty terrace]

Wild eyes live…

[balmy forum]

damn

[mighty terrace]

My fav song by em is prove me right tho

drop G# banger

[vale vapor]

that's also risecore

best era of metal easily

[balmy forum]

havne heard it

[mighty terrace]

post hardcore ish riff ig?

[mighty terrace]

I just love all eras currently

[kind trail]

Tbh, I really like what we have now.

[vale vapor]

i never could get into it honestly

[mighty terrace]

and then in 2018. I heard fit for an autopsy

Went through a death core phase…

[vale vapor]

i used to be into it actually, but it just all became super boring to me

i don't like low tunings anymore

at least for full songs

[mighty terrace]

The lowest I’ve played is Drop F#

[kind trail]

It's less like tuning thing and more like Timbre thing for me

[mighty terrace]

Anything below that is a telephone pole

Drop A# is peak tuning

[vale vapor]

i pitch shift down around all the time but i just prefer drop A-drop D

[mighty terrace]

Idc

[vale vapor]

anything in that range

[kind trail]

I low-key treat Guitar the same way as Serum

[mighty terrace]

also shout out for today…

[kind trail]

Just a sound to manipulate

[balmy forum]

insert spiritbox

[mighty terrace]

Break the cycle

Goated song

[kind trail]

Which is Ironic since I'm so bad at production

but yeh

[mighty terrace]

I do rlly like em tbf

I think my fav modern metalcore band is probs Invent Animate tho

False Meridian is just

[kind trail]

I've got a 7 turned to that, but I pretty much always have it digitally detuned lower nowadays

[mighty terrace]

Mmh

[mighty terrace]

My Schecter just about holds it well.

[kind trail]

I just like the sound/timbre of super low tunings

[balmy forum]

idk im always in e standard

[vale vapor]

yeah i never liked it that much

[vale vapor]

bruh

[kind trail]

I have a fanfret Ibanez and I got a low 80 on it

[mighty terrace]

^^ tapping isn’t easy sob

[vale vapor]

get out of e standard LOL

[mighty terrace]

E standard is kinda valid. Conclusion of an age by Sylosis…

[kind trail]

What do you play, a Ukelele or something?

[balmy forum]

ah yes ill write indie rock in f#

[mighty terrace]

Such a good guitar written album

[mighty terrace]

…

Get out

[vale vapor]

no?

just use drop c or something

[mighty terrace]

or

[vale vapor]

even drop d is better

[mighty terrace]

Or…

Pitch shift it to Drop F#

:D

[vale vapor]

lol

[balmy forum]

haha

[kind trail]

It's gotten to the point where Drop F# sounds like regular E standard to me

[mighty terrace]

Me with drop A#

[kind trail]

Like It used to sound deep and cool

[mighty terrace]

BMTH, Amity Affliction, TIJ, PWD etc

[kind trail]

Now it's literally the highest tuning I have

[vale vapor]

you cant play the same type of riffs in F# that you could in drop C

[mighty terrace]

A# is heavy but also perfectly melodic

[mighty terrace]

What…

[kind trail]

My 8 is in Drop C

[vale vapor]

A# and A are both goated

[mighty terrace]

DROP C1?

[kind trail]

Ye

[mighty terrace]

Jesus…

[balmy forum]

lol, my strings are way to thin and i cat be bothered to go to southport to buy new strings

[mighty terrace]

I think my mum would ask if I stole a telephone pole

[kind trail]

Well actually it's Drop F with low C but yeah

[mighty terrace]

💀

[balmy forum]

its just kick noises

[mighty terrace]

For my epiphone D standard to Drop A# is what I play.

on my 7 string A# standard to Drop F#

Is what I play

[kind trail]

Damn

Ukelel

Jk lmao

[mighty terrace]

Sigh

I like drop G a lot too.

I mean who doesn’t.

[kind trail]

Real

The Saw is the Law was drop G

[mighty terrace]

mainly cos of black mammoth tho…

Okay that song is valid

• I dementia

[kind trail]

If it was enough for Whitechape, good enough for me

[balmy forum]

im mildly stupid, on my fender im in drop a, on my 7 string im in e standard or some retarted midwest emo tuning

[mighty terrace]

that song isn’t even that technical

It’s just

Outright filth

[mighty terrace]

???

How’d u get a 7 string to e standard

bro put 7 gauge strings.

[kind trail]

Super light strings probably

[mighty terrace]

I think my 7 has 10-68s

[balmy forum]

oh i just use it like a 6 string

[mighty terrace]

Brother…

THE LOW STRING

IS THE MAIN ONE

[balmy forum]

yeah i just dont use it

[mighty terrace]

…

Bro is anti metal.

[vale vapor]

??

[mighty terrace]

u could legit play all of trivium’s shogun album

If u tuned it to a B..

That’s not even low

and that album is goated

one 8 string based band I rlly like is Allt

I think the deep blue silent is the song I listen to the most

[balmy forum]

i still mess with f#

[mighty terrace]

Getting more into thall

[balmy forum]

xenon activated

[vale vapor]

?

[balmy forum]

haha

[vale vapor]

what

[mighty terrace]

This is why I can’t wait to get my audio recording stuff

It sounds so clean.

I just use phone to record a EVH 5150 15W…

[vale vapor]

why is the bass insanely offbeat lol

[mighty terrace]

With a TS808 and NS-2

💀

[balmy forum]

i dont think it is?

[vale vapor]

its very very off

by almost a whole beat

[balmy forum]

ah i hear it noe

yeah i have an excuse

im dont play guitar

i suck

[vale vapor]

practice?

[balmy forum]

bass*

[vale vapor]

bass is literally just easier guitar (most of the time)

[balmy forum]

eh

[vale vapor]

i play both man lol

[balmy forum]

good for you

[kind trail]

In Metal, sure

[mighty terrace]

Just code the bass…

:D

[vale vapor]

program? LOL

[mighty terrace]

well that

I’m English and still almost failed it when I was in high school that says enough

💀

Brain cells did not brain

[balmy forum]

@kind trail did you write this, i miss clicked and dowladed this insted of another song and its been on my computer for like a year, any way it sounds amazing

[vale vapor]

holy pumping

[kind trail]

Oh yeah, that was a long ass time ago. That was double drop A

[balmy forum]

fuck yeah

very in hearts wake

[mighty terrace]

I love IHW

earthwalker is such a bloody banger

Once again peak Drop G#

[balmy forum]

kyle is my grandmas neighbour lol

[mighty terrace]

I can’t find tabs for it anywhere tho :C

[kind trail]

Huh, small world

[mighty terrace]

Lower than my height god damn

[balmy forum]

IKR!

[kind trail]

It was ADADGBE, but an octave lower

[mighty terrace]

…

u madman

idek if I’ll go that low in my life

[balmy forum]

oh god what was the bass tuned to

[kind trail]

I like low tunings lmao

Same octave

[mighty terrace]

Triple drop A 💀

lol

oh nvm

[kind trail]

I didn't bother going an octave lower for that

[balmy forum]

drop a -2

[kind trail]

Was too much of a pain in the ass

[mighty terrace]

mad

[kind trail]

So I just did the Meshuggah thing

[mighty terrace]

I love A# that much I wouldn’t mind hearing it an octave lower

[kind trail]

Bass and Guitar in same octave

[mighty terrace]

That frequency just hits

[balmy forum]

isnt it just like telephone cabes at that point

[mighty terrace]

Yeah…

Like ur communicating with outer world species atp

[kind trail]

I used my Drop F# guitar

Tuned the 6th string down to B

And then digitally dropped it down 9 semitones

[mighty terrace]

tuff

[kind trail]

Generally, tuning low like that digitally can artefact and create some weird sounds but

[mighty terrace]

How long have u played for

[kind trail]

Sheesh

[mighty terrace]

Imagine the natural harmonics…

[kind trail]

Since I was in the 4th grade

[mighty terrace]

I’ve only properly played for 3 years I wish I focused more when I was younger

[kind trail]

So some 16 or so years?

[mighty terrace]

smh

fair play

I just now have an issue where

[kind trail]

Thing is, I'm not really that good at guitar lmao

[mighty terrace]

I’m good at rhythm work

But I’m horrible with leads

💀

[kind trail]

I can't shred like crazy

Yeah same lmao

[mighty terrace]

like solo nah…

Sweep pick

I wish…

[kind trail]

Well, I'm not horrible but like

[mighty terrace]

CHUG.

NOW THAT

I can do

[kind trail]

I've never been much of a Solo guy

Always more into writing songs and riffs

[mighty terrace]

I love solos but the lack of skill in playing them makes me not try

I am more a riffage guy

[kind trail]

I usually only know as much guitar as I need

Like, I don't use Sweep Picking so I don't know it

But I can do Thumping

and Selective Picking

Like that Tosin Abasi stuff

[mighty terrace]

that’s sick

[vale vapor]

same for me but swapped

i do sweep picking quite a bit but never thumping lol

[mighty terrace]

I can’t do either

Idk how people can sweep pick so well

I’m just like…

[vale vapor]

do it slow 10x with zero messups

[mighty terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-white-persian-guardian-why-gif-10312546

[vale vapor]

then do it slightly faster 10x zero messups

[mighty terrace]

Basically

[vale vapor]

if you mess up, restart from zero

do ten more

[mighty terrace]

Muay Thai style

[vale vapor]

pretty much

[kind trail]

Weirdly enough, I know if I really sat down I could learn it

[mighty terrace]

say do 10 but count 1 and restart when ur bored

💀

[kind trail]

I just never really cared for Sweep Picking

[mighty terrace]

Escape the fate guilltone II…

[vale vapor]

opposite of me

[mighty terrace]

mmh

[vale vapor]

i have no use for thumping in the styles i write

[mighty terrace]

I’ll never get bored of listening to that song

[vale vapor]

but sweeping is legit

[mighty terrace]

That’s a no skip

[vale vapor]

also @kind trail i mixed your thing

[kind trail]

I'm about to say the most poser shit ever but like, it's why I don't really listen to older metal like I do the modern thing

[mighty terrace]

Into the earth by Lorna shore also…

That solo

Is nasty

[vale vapor]

again literal opposite of me LOL

[kind trail]

True

LMAO Insane 0-3

[mighty terrace]

Only older band I listen to is probably Judas Priest cos ridiculous guitar work

I grew up around crab core and post hardcore tho.

Goated era

[kind trail]

I think the only solo I really loved and learned was Tornado of Souls by Megadeth

[mighty terrace]

I wish

Someday

I shall

August burns red have some phenomenal stuff

Paramount tapping bit

man…

[kind trail]

Tornado Of Souls got me playing guitar more seriously but like

[mighty terrace]

Then thirty and seven basically all of constellations

Messengers too

[kind trail]

I could never really care for other solos

[balmy forum]

abr is so sick

[kind trail]

True

ABR is fantastic

[mighty terrace]

The one riff I’ve really learnt is probably Martyr

cos it’s one of their easier ones

I wanna learn escape artist tho that song is UNDERRATED

and it had a filthy breakdown section

[vale vapor]

@kind trail yo what is that tapping part pitched to

the rhythm guitar is -5

is the tapping part also -5

[kind trail]

Tempo is 183 my b

[vale vapor]

i dont need tempo, not working with midi

[kind trail]

Oh nah

The Leads sections

[vale vapor]

yeah those

[kind trail]

are 0

they're not detuned

[vale vapor]

ok zero

[kind trail]

Rhythms are tuned down

[vale vapor]

yep

delay n reverb?

[kind trail]

On the leads yeah

[vale vapor]

fire

check this

[balmy forum]

@kind trail @vale vapor can i try? if thats all g with you i dont wanna overstep xenon or anything i just like mixing for fun

[vale vapor]

actually i wanna change something

lol

much better

@kind trail

[balmy forum]

by far the best riff if written

[vale vapor]

nice song btw, i would recommend adding a secondary rhythm element like a hihat effect to keep the rhythm going strong because those overheads cymbals get a little drowned out

i hear a sick steady 16th note hihat rhythm in my head

[vale vapor]

riff is cool for sure

mix is pretty muddy

[balmy forum]

well how would you mix it

[mighty terrace]

Those bursts mmm

[kind trail]

No kidding

[mighty terrace]

Well gallops

Bursts

[vale vapor]

i meant better than my previous version, i changed a few things lol

[mighty terrace]

Idk

I just play idk technical terms

[kind trail]

Idk my prods keep sounding so weak

[vale vapor]

differently lol

[kind trail]

Still applies tbh

[balmy forum]

ah yes great advice

[vale vapor]

it takes just tons of mixing things over and over getting stuff right

[vale vapor]

i offer lessons ;)

[kind trail]

It just feels like I just end up cluttering up everything

[balmy forum]

yes however i is broke

[kind trail]

And keep missing the point

With mixing

[vale vapor]

if youre interested in mixing lessons i do that, i could breakdown what i did on that project file over a discord call

[kind trail]

Honestly, might take you up on that sometime

[vale vapor]

its mostly about keeping each section sounding loud and clear without too much crazy overlap

[vale vapor]

shoot me a dm anytime and we can set that up!

[kind trail]

Hell yeah

[balmy forum]

@kind trail hey, i am quite a beginner but if i could also try to mix it that would be amazing, ill do the full song just for fun i have no intrest in undercutting you xenon im just bored

[vale vapor]

Lol if hes cool with it go ahead, more practice mixing is always good

[kind trail]

Knock yourself out, but quixk q

What do you use for Guitar sounds?

[vale vapor]

me?

[kind trail]

Like amps and what not

both

[vale vapor]

I only use free amps

Poulin LePou series

[kind trail]

Huh

[vale vapor]

usually LeGion with a tube screamer before it

[balmy forum]

fortin namless for metal or my cheap amp moddeler for my stuf (indie rock)

[vale vapor]

And then i EQ to taste, then use a good sounding IR or EQ-match from a song

[kind trail]

Oh cool I also use the Nameless

Fair enough

[balmy forum]

or plini

[vale vapor]

honestly i could never get a good tone with paid amps

[mighty terrace]

When it comes to Amp —> Interface —> DAW how do u post it on socials after? And how’d u record urself playing it when it’s on the PC?

[vale vapor]

you record takes into a daw lol

and then put that audio over a phone video

if youre trying to post a reel or something

[kind trail]

For me, I always dreamt I'd be a proper touring musician one day, so I'm trying to keep everything as NDSP friendly as I can, in case it pans out so I can just get a single QC and use that for everything

[mighty terrace]

Okie

Ty

[kind trail]

which is the essence of counting my chickens before thy hatch but ye

[mighty terrace]

I’m getting some stuff tomorrow so I was curious

[vale vapor]

i mean i play live with my band pretty often

[balmy forum]

for me i rrecomend interface---> daw-----> amp so if you get it mixed you can have di

[vale vapor]

IR makes up like 90% of tone so when we use our pedalboards we just load whatever IR we are using

[kind trail]

Huh

[vale vapor]

yeah i would recommend using digital amps

unless your amp is crazy good and you have a crazy good mic setup

[balmy forum]

even then lol

[vale vapor]

at least record di into the daw, then reamp it through your actual amp and record the output via a good mic setup

but digital in 2025 is the way to go unless you have a crazy good mic setup

and know how to do that properly

[mighty terrace]

That’s the stuff I’m getting. I have that amp with a TS808 and a noise gate.

[vale vapor]

nice

[balmy forum]

digital also means you can play at night

[mighty terrace]

Yea that’s y I also wanna get Neural DSP

[vale vapor]

If you wanna mic up your amp, talk to people who do that often and know what they;re doing

[vale vapor]

watch alot of videos on it

[vale vapor]

fire

[mighty terrace]

even tho when I bought my Interface it said it comes with 7 free plugins

I still want neural DSP

[fringe geode]

I'm not the tightest player and my hand finally got tired halfway through lol

[mighty terrace]

My hand hurts listening to it.

Drop A?

Oh no it’s way lower…

[vale vapor]

sounds like A to me

[mighty terrace]

I heard something lower

idky

It defo is A tho

That is sick af tho

The first thing ima do when I can record on PC is Drop A# chugs with a tapping lead…

Peak metal right there

[vale vapor]

based

[fringe geode]

My Mark Tremonti influence really took over for this.

[fringe geode]

Mostly all downpicking XD

[mighty terrace]

Oof

My arm has trauma from suffocating sight tho…

[fringe geode]

Dunno what that is but I hope your arm is all good.

[mighty terrace]

Oh

[fringe geode]

NDSP is great at a alot of things, but it can be a pain in the ass to mix. But the plugins are fun to use.

[mighty terrace]

Hold up a second

[mighty terrace]

I have windows 11 so I got reaper for now

[vale vapor]

reaper 😍

windows 11 🤮

[fringe geode]

MY favorite plugins are the Mark IIC+, Plini, Misha, Rabea, and Soldano.

[fringe geode]

Reaper's all you need quite frankly.

[vale vapor]

yup

especially with metal

super simple to track and record

[mighty terrace]

I’m using my gaming laptop for it lol

[mighty terrace]

https://youtube.com/shorts/C5SBkMxORSI?si=FBBzk2Jdwlmh-U-i check this short

[fringe geode]

Nothin wrong with that. My PC is a jack of all trades master of none.

[mighty terrace]

My laptop is p good tho

4070 and a 13th gen I7 so I’m not getting a pc soon

[fringe geode]

More than enough.

[fringe geode]

Also fuck me Matt Heafy makes my arm scared.

[mighty terrace]

Yeah…

I got his signature epiphone :D

happi

[fringe geode]

That's why we call him Mat BEAFY

[mighty terrace]

One band I rlly wanna learn more of is periphery but

skill issue moment for me…

💀

[fringe geode]

Same brother man.

Same.

Supposedly there are easy Periphery songs (so Im told).

[mighty terrace]

Lies…

They r all psychos

buttersnips, marigold and scarlet are like…

I’d shave my hair fully

To learn that

[vale vapor]

i tried to learn scarlet when i was 14

never again

[mighty terrace]

and I have bloody nice hair

[vale vapor]

i think i cut my fingers open lol

i could probably play it now but omg 😭 back then it was a pain

[mighty terrace]

I’ve got tough skin from engineering work

so I don’t get cuts too often

[vale vapor]

yeah my fingers have guitar callouses now

[mighty terrace]

8-4 at work come home eat guitar sleep repeat

0 complaints

[mighty terrace]

You’ll toughen up a lot once those go

if they do.

also one thing with fishmans is that it’s sometimes hard to tell when the battery starts to go

[vale vapor]

what lol

ive been playing guitar since i was a kid

[mighty terrace]

I can tell when it’s dead but I replaced mine today and my guitars sounded so much better

[vale vapor]

they arent going anywhere

[mighty terrace]

Well if u play that often

then we’ll

[vale vapor]

also i do construction so my hands are rough

[mighty terrace]

I feel it.

AU

AY

I just work on cars n stuff

[fringe geode]

I usually don't feel anything in my hands unless I play for way too long or a deliberately cut myself.

[mighty terrace]

Getting my A licence for motorbikes soon too

[mighty terrace]

Me when I tried to split frozen bacon…

Legit blood went everywhere my finger went blue and I had to go to the hospital💀

[fringe geode]

Jesus man.

[mighty terrace]

I’ve had worse injuries

[fringe geode]

Frozen bacon is no joke.

Then again I have cats so.

Little bastards like to bite and scratch me a lot.

[mighty terrace]

I also have two cats

Ones 2 ones 4 months

[fringe geode]

Love them

[mighty terrace]

Second video my aunt recorded

[fringe geode]

They are adorable

That 2nd one seems like a handful

[mighty terrace]

yup…

That boi is strong

And he does damage

The other one I can mess around with and I’ll pick up a scratch maybe.

The second one if I do that I’m bleeding 💀