Feedback Requests

[craggy plover]

I hope they came in Italy

[acoustic wave]

Hello! I’m new around here and I’ve been working on this song for a few weeks now, just wanted to see if anyone had any feedback for me? I’m very much so a beginner when it comes to almost every aspect of songwriting, especially the mixing part. Any tips would be appreciated!

[runic adder]

I have a few questions, sorry for the yap:
how are the guitars tracked? is it one track or two?
is there bass?
what drums are you using?

[acoustic wave]

It’s one guitar track, using the doubler feature on archetype gojira (probably not optimal)
There is bass, it’s just a bit quiet in the mix which I’m trying to figure out (using djinnbass 2)
ML sound lab Drums

[runic adder]

1. yeah def not optimal. typically you'd want to record two guitar tracks and pan them left and right
2. bass could come up a lot more lol

[acoustic wave]

Heard, any other tips?

[runic adder]

hm

idk how to properly explain it, but when setting levels I tend to follow the heirarchy of drums > guitars/bass > vocals

where I set my drum level first, then guitars, then bass to give thickness, and then vocals so they sit nicely in the middle

[kind trail]

Not sure if I mashed together 2 things that maybe should have stayed separate but yeah

[cyan spear]

a little late probably cuz i just saw this, for the guitars to sound more widely, you can double track them, and pan them left and right, or take the one track that has been recorded, duplicate it, pan L and R and drag it just a few milliseconds forward or backwards, that should make the two signals different enough for them to sound on each side

it can even sound in the middle if you duplicate them and pan them left and right, but that happens when the signal is the same, the guitars sound centered because it's the same signal going for both sides

for everything else, i'd recommend doing some ocassional research for when u need it, u got it bud!

[acoustic wave]

thanks man!

[cyan spear]

np bro!

[tribal orbit]

I wanted to add on to what Lando said-
You definitely need to change whatever drum samples you're using, or you need to EQ and make them blend into the track better. Also pretty loud and distracting.
The vinyl distortion on the synth is also clashing with the overdriven guitars, so you'll need to EQ both of them to give them breathing room

[cyan spear]

yeah, give each track it's space for them to sound in harmony, it's like they crash with each other sometimes

[floral swallow]

Its not really BO inspired, but it is more like "Every modern metalcore band" type shit

[tribal orbit]

I recognize that guitar soundfont/vst

Anyway, slight changes to this one @sacred estuary

still waiting on drums but ye

some of my automation on the guitars desynced on export

mainly gain and delay

[runic adder]

Working on a cover of sit and mourn

You have no idea how happy I was when I figured out how to make that synth drone in the beginning lol

[open canyon]

lmao i DO not even know what this is

anyways dont be turned of about the goofy ahh shit in the beggining there is a treat for listening to the end

(heavy breakdown)

[sacred estuary]

sick

[sacred estuary]

soundin pretty good!

[tribal orbit]

Tyty

[mighty terrace]

Just some good old Drop C#

[versed remnant]

random intro idea I cooked up in class with some synths that i decided would sound pretty cool to actually play so

I know I gotta work on the bass alr its way too loud

[floral swallow]

It went out very well imo, but wanna hear others opinion (Asking about song itself not the mix)

[floral swallow]

SO FUCKING GOOD MAN

The guitar tone is so cool, i like how this has so much lows

You are so talented man fr

do you have maybe something out?

[ruby sparrow]

ayeeee thank you sm dude

[ruby sparrow]

🥹

[ruby sparrow]

released?

[floral swallow]

yeah

[ruby sparrow]

something this heavy, not yet

but i have like 2 decent metal tracks out

"identity crisis" and "bitter"

not my best mixes tbh

[floral swallow]

I need to check it out, i love your stuff you put here

[ruby sparrow]

thank you so much man, i'll be sure to post much more

[floral swallow]

The bitter is banger as hell, but it would be amazing if you did vocals on it i think

There is so much production in it, how long you are doing music

It goes to the playlist ngl

[ruby sparrow]

hell yes dude, i wish i was good at vocals lol

[ruby sparrow]

i've been making music since about 2018

[floral swallow]

I saw you did a vocal cover, and it was good imo

[floral swallow]

oh damn

[ruby sparrow]

thank you man, i'm pretty proud of it, but i personally think my vocals could use some improvement

[floral swallow]

Im doing it for like 2,5 years now

[floral swallow]

Wait, but if you are now 17, you were 11 when you started? Crazy

Im also 17 btw

lool

[ruby sparrow]

nice nice, thats a handful of time

[ruby sparrow]

yup, but trust me i was not as good as i am now

my music was horrible back then lol

[ruby sparrow]

ayeee nicee

[floral swallow]

I can imagine

[wicked berry]

Soon my friend.. soon..

[ruby sparrow]

indeed soon

[floral swallow]

Letss gooo

[craggy plover]

mix is hot

[wicked berry]

Yes it is

I should become the pvthos glazer

That's going in my bio

[wicked berry]

Just you wait.. metalcore-y thall and all sorts of good shit indeed soon

[kind blaze]

A little clip of something I’ve been making
(Audio only)

It’s still being cleaned up, also it might be loud so be warned

[wicked berry]

Yo what that's heavy

I like it

[kind blaze]

Ty ty

[ruby sparrow]

yay thank you

[ruby sparrow]

YESSSSSSS

[ruby sparrow]

😝

[potent quarry]

idk it has low end

[normal ginkgo]

How is this ?

[tribal orbit]

The lick at teh end of the riff is wrong

I have the tabs for it somewhere

but ik it's all at the 10-12-13 frets on the bottom 2 strings

@normal ginkgo

Thats what it should be

[tribal orbit]

This didnt send earlier, but that tone is nice

[normal ginkgo]

Thanks

[real harness]

I swear, I've been messing with this song for half-a-year already, but I think now it's ready to be released, but I would really appreciate your opinions beforehand

[kind trail]

I find that I can't really hear the Metal drums or vocals as well as I'd like to. Solid Sound Design for sure. Bump up the vocals, the guitar lead at 0:40 is doing you no favours in the way that it is performed, it sounds too distracting in a bad way imo. The next critique is super subjective but yeah: the super overt use of Autotune might be intentional but please try reduce it if you can as that sound is a little dated imo.

[real harness]

Thanks, appreciate that

[real harness]

Well in your demo/snippet idk I think that the rap part instrumental is cool, not the biggest fan of this type of vocal performance in rap, but thats just my preference. And the metal drop falls a bit flat instrumentaly, because of the guitar tone I think. Imo the tone (or the overall metal mix) lacks some high frequencies, but again overall this song is cool, I'm just personally not a huge fan of this type of generic djent. But keep up the work.

[kind blaze]

Rerecorded the vocals+messed with the mixing a little bit

[floral swallow]

I think the drums are very pushed into background, idk if it was made intentionaly, i also feel like its like filtered, there is almost no high frequensies. The song on its own is fucking banger

Also vocals are hard to hear

[mighty terrace]

My arm is in pain and suffering but is my right arm (left in the vid cos reflection) technique good? this almost gives ascendancy trivium vibes in the progression

[craggy plover]

idk I'm still a beginner but in the video it looks like you are using your forearm for picking

or maybe the video it's too fast

I could be wrong

[tribal orbit]

What muscles are you using to pick?

like what part of your arm is tensing?

Cuz I'm kinda seeing the same thing that Deathcore Enjoyer is

[mighty terrace]

Well my forearm feels like it’s on fire

LMFAO

but I’m sure wrist movement is there too

[tribal orbit]

try just alternate picking with your wrist to a metronome for a while

[mighty terrace]

And just slowly increase BPM overtime?

[tribal orbit]

Ye

thats the best way to practice

slowly build up speed with proper technique

I should take my own advice rn

[mighty terrace]

Idk if this riff shows what muscles I use but it’s slower than the other

[tribal orbit]

I'll watch in a bit. I'm exporting a track rn, so my audio is taken over by ASIO4All

[mighty terrace]

Fair

[tribal orbit]

actually, I'll watch on mobile

There's def some forearm movement that can be nixed

The string hopping is fine tho

[mighty terrace]

I love using 12-56 strings

C# all the way to Drop A# and it sounds fine

[tribal orbit]

based 12 enjoyer

you should try 13's

[mighty terrace]

Indeed

[mighty terrace]

See my guitar is rlly old and hasn’t even been to a luthier so 💀

the height etc is a pain.

[tribal orbit]

How old?

[mighty terrace]

5+ years but I’ve only seriously played for like 3

[tribal orbit]

That's not that old lmao

I have a 80's squier tele

[mighty terrace]

It costed like £150 💀

[tribal orbit]

ye fair

if you're in need of a new one, guitarsgarden is sweet

[mighty terrace]

I live in the UK so.

[tribal orbit]

also, this is what I was exporting

[tribal orbit]

they ship there, pretty sure. Tho, it's probably expensive knowing Cali to UK prices

[mighty terrace]

Yea

The thing is

I like so many bands and genres idk what brand I want 💀

like ig 2000s metalcore and like Deathcore from 2013 onwards is like my main jam

[tribal orbit]

You can't go wrong with a Schecter or a Gibson (or Epiphone, if Gibson pricey)

[mighty terrace]

Yeah

[tribal orbit]

I do have to say, schecter pickups tend to be on the brighter side

anyway, I gotta go eat

[mighty terrace]

Enjoy the munch

[versed remnant]

one of the final mixes of my music tech final, thoughts on this? @tribal orbit Can you look at the guitars on this one i think i finally fixed my issue of them not being wide

Side note: the awkward drum fill will be getting replaced with a held powerchord

Fixed a few issues and changed that drum fill

[tribal orbit]

you have achieved width

I think what you need to do now is figure out bass and drum mixing

compression, saturation, and side chaining

[versed remnant]

I knew the twerking classes would pay off my guitar is phat now

[versed remnant]

This makes sense

[versed remnant]

So i know what compression is

How do i achieve the other ones

In

Uh

Before tuesday

It took me

Months

To get a good guitar mix going

[tribal orbit]

glue compressors (in ableton) allow you to side chain the kick drum, basically making both compress kinda together-ish?

idk hwo to explain it, but it beefs up the low-end

[versed remnant]

So just eq take my lows and crank them

By that i mean

Tutorial?

Ur the only person whos mixing advice i trust

All the youtube videos are lying to me

[tribal orbit]

I'll send a vid

[versed remnant]

SWAG

[runic adder]

saturation adds harmonics at certain frequency intervals, can be used to give width/thickness or to tame harsh peaks depending on the type (tube, tape, etc.)

usually has a dedicated plugin

ie. jst heat, fabfilter saturn, soundtoys decapitator, slate virtual tape machine

[runic adder]

along w/ what weel said, ESP LTDs can serve ya really well

I play a schecter and a LTD, both sound really good for my purposes (2010s metalcore, myspace and modern deathcore)

the LTD pickup I swapped for a seymour duncan just out of personal preferencer

[mighty terrace]

Didn’t shadow of intent use LTDs on earlier albums?

[runic adder]

wiseman used to be sponsored by ESP lol

[mighty terrace]

I see

what ESP guitars would u suggest for like Metalcore and Deathcore?

those r like the main genres I play besides Post Hardcore ig

[runic adder]

i have a m-100 FM

give me a sec, I can probably find a mix I did w it

[mighty terrace]

Bet

[runic adder]

do you want to hear the guitars isolated?

coincidentally a shadow of intent cover lol

[mighty terrace]

I don’t mind

[runic adder]

actually, give me 10 minutes

I'll record a riff w both my schecter and my ESP

ill tell you the setups once im done

[mighty terrace]

What application can I open that on?

[runic adder]

any file player

[mighty terrace]

Do they have em on phone 💀

[runic adder]

usually on iphone it'd be files, which im assuming you're using because ive seen androids able to play straight from discord

for ease of access I'll make the final demo a video

aight let me wash my hands and grab some chocolate milk i got you

[mighty terrace]

Thank u

The main riff from Wishful Sinking by blessthefall is so good

I rlly wanna learn it

[versed remnant]

@tribal orbit How does this sound

The FX chain for this looks insane to me is that bad

[runic adder]

nah I think ur fine

[versed remnant]

oh

how is this mix

[runic adder]

here's me playing my ESP LTD and my Schecter - same tone for both

the ESP isn't a true showcase because I swapped the pickups but it's close enough methinks

oh whoopsies I turned on the EQ for the last two riffs

[runic adder]

sounds fine to me

[versed remnant]

How do I do vocals over the chug part :(

[runic adder]

as in how to mix them or how to perform them?

[runic adder]

also timestamp pls 🙏🏽

[versed remnant]

Well mixing vocals in i also have to figure out but how the fuck do I like sing over that bro

Hold on lemme get the ts

0:50

To the chorus bit

0:50- 1:39

[runic adder]

are you trying to sing or scream over it?

[versed remnant]

Scream on verse

[runic adder]

well not sure if i could help w either but im curious

[versed remnant]

Maybe mix in some cleans but mostly screaming

This is for music texh by the way everyone else is using soundtrap

This is the only final i will be putting effort into

[runic adder]

do you have to put vocals over it?

[versed remnant]

Yeah

I also still have to incorporate a sampler

I’m probaby just gonna sample my voice and program some synth chords with it

[runic adder]

so what do you need help w for the vocals? like inspiration or how to do the vocals?

[versed remnant]

How to incorporate them with the chug

Idk i’m thinking some like murmaider deathklok type shit

[runic adder]

i mean yeah thats what came to my mind too

[versed remnant]

But coming up w lyrics for that style is gonna be weird

[mighty terrace]

The ESP has a tone I prefer more

Altho I do like both

[versed remnant]

Because i can only use two syllable words or two one syllable words

How tf

Am i gonna come up with good lyrics

[runic adder]

you don't have to

shitty low effort vocals lmfao

I understand you want to put effort into this, but you don't have to overthink the lyrics

like half of that was about chocolate milk

[versed remnant]

I like writing deep shit tho

Its fun

Ykw i’ll worry about lyrics tomorrow at school i’ll sleep on this rn

I fot til tuesday next week to have this shit fully done

And i have the big part done now

So

[runic adder]

good luck then

[versed remnant]

Thank you thank you

I will inform you when it is all fonished

[mighty terrace]

Wishful sinking by blessthefall intervals well confusing but in 3 takes I’ll take this

[versed remnant]

@runic adder I recorded vocals

honestly the mix

is pretty damn decent

I'm rendering r

rn

[runic adder]

vocals are a little loud in the mix, but sounds good to me

[real harness]

Idk
https://youtu.be/lTUIO7KgCvw

[tribal orbit]

WiFi won’t let me download it

But once I’m able to listen, I will

So some thoughts since it’s finally loading

While the bass riff is playing, maybe have a sub bass like an 808 following the root notes of the rhythm to give them that BOOM

Make sure to compress and EQ it so it doesnt create mud tho

The vocals are loud, as Natty said

And I think they could do with some slight delay or reverb. Compression, and some dual tracking for width unless you can accomplish it with delay

[versed remnant]

All my vocals are dual track center track for main take left and right for dual tracked, the dual tracked are also shifted down a semi tone for some extra punch, they also all have reverb on them but i still have yet to eq anything for them

[versed remnant]

Can you send me an example or like a tutorial?

[versed remnant]

Okok

[versed remnant]

I have a newer mix where i turned them down but i don’t have it downloaded on my phone atm

[tribal orbit]

Are they panned hard left and right? Cuz they sound centered

[tribal orbit]

When I get home. DM me to remind me

[versed remnant]

Hard panned with a center track

[tribal orbit]

Hm

They sound like how your guitars used to

[versed remnant]

I already jnow how to fix the issue then

My old issue was that i’d have my rythym guitar center while my lead was panned l and r

I have the main vocal take centered and the second take left and right

[tribal orbit]

Also send me when your EQ looks like on your vocals

Or just send me all of your vocal chain

[versed remnant]

I still have yet to eq

[tribal orbit]

[versed remnant]

I’m using tonocracy which was my old guitat plugin just for reverb as i have yet to download any vocal pedals

[tribal orbit]

You don’t really need too much

Just a gate, compressor, maybe an overdrive or vinyl distortion for some texture, delay/reverb and that should be it unless you wanna use a glue compressor

Maybe a saturator or and a de-easer

Esser*

[versed remnant]

My current chain is noise gate and -50 db, tonocracy for reverb and output boost and then a limiter to make sure all my vocals sound the same in audio level

[tribal orbit]

Wait wait

Are you running your vocals through an amp?

Can you bypass the amp and cab portions?

[versed remnant]

I have the amp sim turned off on tonocracy

I’m running purely through the buily in pedals

Clean boost and reverb

The way tonocracy works is it has a side menu where you can drag components like pefals and such

So you need to drag the amp and can sims too

[tribal orbit]

Okay

Maybe reduce the gain on the boost you have

Cuz it muddies the vocals a little

Is there anyway you can adjust the wetness?

[versed remnant]

I have it plus 15 db on it then the limiter to bring it back down

[tribal orbit]

That causes clipping

[versed remnant]

But i plan on getting rid of tonocracy entirely i just need to look for decent vocal plugins

[tribal orbit]

Hence the weirdness

[versed remnant]

Ahhhh

[tribal orbit]

You’re better off using a compressor

[versed remnant]

I don’t think so? I’ll have to check when i get home

[tribal orbit]

Also, the Howard Benson chain on JoeySturgisTones that’s really good

[versed remnant]

Does the compressor do the same thing as the limiter?

[versed remnant]

I’ll check it out

[tribal orbit]

I know OM&M used it for an album, at least according to the lead singer

[versed remnant]

Ooooh okok

[tribal orbit]

It compresses the signal. Makes the quiet parts louder and the loud parts quieter so it’s equal

So you get a smooth signal

[versed remnant]

Oh so i can just ditch the boost and limiter entirely

Any good ones i could download?

[tribal orbit]

Pretty much

Ik the Howard benson one has it

Look it up

[versed remnant]

Okay swag

[tribal orbit]

Trust me it’s good

[versed remnant]

I’ll do that when i get home

[versed remnant]

I trust you dawg

What do you think of the track writing wise?

[tribal orbit]

It’s not really for me. I think the bass riff is cool as an intro, but I think it goes on for a bit too long

Cuz you have the lead essentially doing the same thing

[versed remnant]

I do plan on adding a synth countermelody over the intro

Does anyone here use ableton i have to learn it next semester for music tech and i’m scared to do so because i’ve only ever seen people hate on it

[tribal orbit]

I use Ableton lmao

I love Ableton

It’s super user friendly, imo

[versed remnant]

Okok

[wicked berry]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xlTlKxokk5jXgQMZyb-RGGH9sfVkiE-2/view?usp=sharing

[floral swallow]

Is it any good? English is not my first language (Im polish) so pronunciation is probabbly off, sorry for that

[craggy plover]

at some points you go offbeat

production seems to be cool but the mix it's very cluttered

[floral swallow]

I recorded vocals at the night and i was sleppy, but thats why its just a demo, i will record vocals once again

[floral swallow]

Production is also mine, so thank you, and a mix isn't there so thats the reason

I just got idea of the chorus in my head and i recorded it to not forget

[wooden portal]

I like this, a few times the vocals goes off beat but the instrumental is great, I like the darksynth. To be honest I can only make out a few words, but phonetically it sounds great. Reminds me a lot of Bloodywood. I know you asked about vocals but I personally like the kick punching through the mix a little more. I'm not sure if you use JSTclip. The snare could also use a little more "smack" sound layered on top of the reverbed snare (but that's just personal taste)

[floral swallow]

ctually there is no mix yet and on drums i just put fl studio basic distortion and saturation

[wooden portal]

ah I got you! I like it 🙂

[floral swallow]

If you like the instrumental, there is a full one

[floral swallow]

And i first time ever hear about this band you mention btw

But im checking them now and it sounds cool

[wooden portal]

dude this is a good track! I hope you figure it out, you can do it with practice. I am native-english and have been singing pro for maybe 8 years and I still can't get my proper singing etiquette down on my own, but once I record in the studio it's helpful to have them listening and catching bad stuff I'm doing

[floral swallow]

And im "vocalist" for maybe week

[wooden portal]

I can't understand everything they say until you look up the lyrics but it's so good. There is a niche in music where not many people (as far as I'm aware) bring their accents heavily into their music like Bloodywood. I always appreciate uniqueness so it carves out a spot where you can be different, but it's gotta be a balance

[floral swallow]

I totaly have no skill, but im determinated to learn how to do vocals

[wooden portal]

I didn't know how to scream until maybe October last year, once I learned, over the past year I've drastically gotten way better at it. Your track is kinda like rap vocals, it's dope I like.

Especially if those background vocals were screams ooooooooo. But that's just me, the layered in clean vocals are good too

[tribal orbit]

This is a WIP track for my band. The drums are placeholders for now. Should be replacing them with the actual drum section soon

Same with bass, actually. Bassist is recording it sometime soon

[floral swallow]

This is exactly what i wanted, im listening to good amout of rap (more modern that oldschool) and i want to do this track like trap song but with octane core ish instrumental

This is whole idea for this song

[tribal orbit]

I’m trying to think of a band like that

I think Zero 9:36 is kinda like that, no?

[floral swallow]

Like some modern rap with modern metalcore

[wooden portal]

When I think of rapcore, I think of HourHouse,

Little more modern rap than linkin park rap though

but so heavy

[floral swallow]

Linkin park, but mike listens to bmth and travis

[wooden portal]

I think this is really good too. I think the screams and cleans have a little too much reverb on them. I usually only go 5%-10% mix on mine, and my delay with closer to 5%. The composition is really good though for sure

[floral swallow]

Im thinking more like Falling in Reverse but not cringe

[wooden portal]

Listen to HourHouse - BloodSport

small band, but fits

[tribal orbit]

Yeah, that’s fair. I’ll try and see what 10% sounds like, cuz I think it’s at 23%. Glad you like the composition

[tribal orbit]

Lmao

[floral swallow]

They have in decription litterally NU TRAP LOL

[wooden portal]

haha yeah I hate specifying genre's myself. but I'd definitely call it rapcore

[floral swallow]

This is kinda fire

[tribal orbit]

Ik there’s a rap core/modern nu metal band called BackWordz. I don’t listen to them all too much (too political)

[wooden portal]

I love BackWordz too haha. But they kinda fell off after a while. I know they made a song after like 4 years that was meh

[tribal orbit]

It’s major key for some reason, yeah

[floral swallow]

When I think about rapcore i see more like oldschool Nu metal with rap

[tribal orbit]

You might like BackWordz then

[floral swallow]

Like nu metal but more "rappy"

[tribal orbit]

Ig From Ashes to New would kinda fit that too?

[wooden portal]

you want some real stuff listen to Break Stuff by Weight of Atlas, it's a limp biskit cover but it's SOOOOO GOOD

limp biskit kinda rap

but screamed

probably closer to nu metal

[floral swallow]

I have in my city a band with is deffinition of what rapcore is for me, they name is "Kąkol" and i can say song "To ja, kąkol!" is very like that

[floral swallow]

I guess

[floral swallow]

Like very 00s nu metal but much more rapping than in just nu metal

[tribal orbit]

Again, BackWordz fits that from what I’ve listened to

[wooden portal]

I never listened to Ashes to New, not generally my type of rap I listened to barely breathing, I like everything except the rap part 😭

Gideon is the only other Nu Metal band I can think of. I liked a few albums they made but it's too much for me. I love melodic too much

[tribal orbit]

They’re great live, but I don’t really like too much of their discography. They were on a tour with MMF a few years back that’s how I know them

[wooden portal]

Oh man I was never too into MMF until they came out with Remade in Misery which became one of my favorite albums ever immediately.

[tribal orbit]

So real

They’re new stuff is good

I like Shapeshifter a lot

[wooden portal]

It makes me excited for my next single about 2 months from now, it's so higher energy. I Prevail HEAVY type banger

being patient is lame

[tribal orbit]

You gotta be you’re own biggest fan

That’s how I look at it

If you don’t like the music youre making, why even make it?

[wooden portal]

Unmixed, screams are final, singing is not.

It sucks to write songs a year away and be so excited for them.

I'm excited AF for all my music, that's the problem is only 1 of the 15 ones I've made is out there 😂

Interesting, this is a good community. i've never really shared anything I was working on yet,

[tribal orbit]

Me listen

[wooden portal]

hopefully I'll grow up into a core adult 😄

[tribal orbit]

I think my only real critique is the vocals could do with raising in levels

The cleans sound like there’s a low pass filter on them

Or is that like a design choice

But the rest sounds good

[wooden portal]

for the cleans I only use a de-esser, gain reduction, reverb at 5%, delay at 6%. For the screams I use the same, but without a de-esser, and add about 20% mix of 1db boost of distortion. 2 layers of highs and 1 or 2 layers of lows. No EQ at all. I don't really mix too much on my own because I've learned it's extremely hard for me to tell subtle differences so I largely gave up. Since I'm going to a pro producer to do it in the end I just focus on the composition. My screams I record finals at home though and just bring the multitracks and scream finals to the master.

that's why the whole things sounds flat, I don't EQ any of the multitracks, just balance the volume levels and bounce the whole song for latency reduction when doing vocals.

[tribal orbit]

Ah, yeah

Trust me, I was there for a while

What daw do you use?

Cuz there are a few things I know in Ableton that can help with pinpointing frequencies and minute differences

[wooden portal]

I use Cubase 10 Elements, it's on my list to get the pro version and upgrade. Running into the track limit of 32 is a MF. lol

[tribal orbit]

I only ever reach 30 on the big tracks lmao

Most songs for me only ever reach 20 max

If I can recommend anything, it’d be Ableton

Does Cuba’s have an EQ8 with a graphic interface?

[wooden portal]

my MTs are 24, and then there's 15 for drums, and then sometimes you layer in 2 more guitars on top ETC

[tribal orbit]

And is there anyway to only hear the frequencies you’re affecting when moving a band

[tribal orbit]

Jeeesus

[wooden portal]

Yes, theres a button you can do that to.

yeah there's separate MT for like kick sub in and kick sub out etc

that's why I just bounce flat while composing 😂

[tribal orbit]

You do a lot more than I do, damn

Though, is there anyway you can compress the tracks? Like is it possible to run effect racks like in Ableton where you have parallel effect chains?

That way you don’t need the sub in, sub out, you just have one track with a multi-output

[wooden portal]

haha, it's just the way it exports, so bringing them all into the project initially is painful with all those tracks with a 32track limitation. But I usually just bounce it back into one after making some level changes so I reduce it down and solve the problem, but I have a habit of bringing it all in at once and working with it like that.

I'm not sure I've never done that, I usually have group channels with effects but I assume that's different. But I'd imagine it would still cause latency issues with different chains while trying to track.

[tribal orbit]

Wait so hold on

Do you record the parts in different projects and then bring them into a separate project file?

I’m just a little lost

Also it doesn’t cause any more latency than running separate tracks from my experience

[wooden portal]

I use one project for writing the songs and multitracks and getting the song instrumentally and composition-wise where I want it to be. Once I'm happy with it, I bounce everything to separate multitrack files (this is where I end up with the 37). I then save all the multitracks (for use later by the producer as well), and open a brand new project file and import them all, so that I don't have many many many plugins all loaded into memory in the project. I then bounce an instrumental wav without drums, and then bounce a drums wav, and then unload all the wav files except the two. I set up my vocal group channels and effects and record in the (2nd) project

I suppose I could probably fix my problem by just exporting the 2 separate wavs in the first project instead of the second lol.

I have to use two separate projects because I don't want like 3 or 4 gigs of plugins slowing everything down. I've had problems where I'd record on beat but it would record into the DAW a few milliseconds after when it should have and I used to compensate for it.

The drums for instance are not like 12 different WAV files until after I export, usually it's loaded into DrumForge. So it's only an issue on re-importing the wavs

[tribal orbit]

Ah, okay yeah

That makes more sense, I was just trying to follow your work flow

You must have some heavy duty plugins going on then

Do you have a ram cleaner you can run at all?

[wooden portal]

I don't use many plugins but I'm a big believer of the less processing, the better. In previous years I'd keep everything loaded including all instruments and occasionally I'd freeze them and it was fine but it's just much easier to work with WAV bounces without any other processing happening. I also used to have my DAW crash constantly, sometimes even just opening I'd have to end task 😂 I think it's much cleaner to just work with 10 WAVs with no processing except vocals. I shouldn't even record with any vocal processing either but yolo.

That's how I end up with my own final screams bounced. If I were to mix my own song, I would then import the vocals into the 2nd project. Then I ONLY have WAVs loaded and mix everything in there. I don't do a lot of mixing on my end, but my producer sometimes has something like 30 plugins on all 25 or 30 tracks so every bit of CPU and RAM helps.

That way, I have as many resources free as possible for mixing. Which isn't probably a big deal for most people besides producers who load 30+ plugins and filters, but it's just a positive habit I've learned

[tribal orbit]

Ah, okay

Gotcha gotcha

Again, that’s a lot more than I do, damn

[young shore]

Hi, so I made this, what do u guys think

I almost never active here lol, maybe i should be

Its obviously inspired by the Doom franchise lol

This one too

[tribal orbit]

Biggest thing I noticed is the drums are way to bottom heavy

like the whole kit is

Both songs could do with some lowering of the bass freq

[south marten]

I’m the lead guitarist in the band. I’m pretty proud of these two songs. Ruins of war is our single while guillotine is our demo. Let me know what you think. https://open.spotify.com/track/1mKTuSm73ZOg9fUHeDrWcX?si=Jtc4a7zHRr6eWPlJaCTrww

https://open.spotify.com/track/0aW2Zmx4w3xIvRyJI33FHA?si=CuauN_w8QNOZRS4JjF8DbQ&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A3fkvSC1SIDu84inQW1WeLm

[tribal orbit]

I will listen when I get home from dinner

[south marten]

I will warn you it is thrash, Ik this is more of the metalcore demographic but I wanted a second opinion

[wooden portal]

same about the drums, the synth could use "more". I'm not sure if thats just one synth but you should layer 2 or 3 on top and give it a more "in-depth" tone

[wooden portal]

I like this one better with the lower synth. I'm not sure what synth you use but it gives me a very.. uhh... "basic" vibe. I'm not sure what the terminology is but it sounds like you may need a better synth rig or sound, like maybe you're using an old nexus 2 or something. I'm also assuming it's programmed but when I upgraded to Serum and Sektor, it really helps the synth sound.

Usually a trick I used when I did EDM was to layer 3 synths on top of each other. There's a trick to layering many different sounds on top of one another so you can't even tell they are layered

[wooden portal]

checked out Ruins of War. I like it. I thought the wah wah effect in the chorus was a good touch. Not usually my style metal but my IRL friend would absolutely dig this

that's a crazy guitar solo lol

[tribal orbit]

Love thrash, so dw

Still at dinner tho

Probably gonna end up with similar critique as Llednar

But I’ll give it a fair listen

[south marten]

Awesome thank you guys🙏

[south marten]

Thanks I did the solo in about 20 ish takes so I made sure it sounded good and fit the song

That was the original solo two months before we recorded ruins

Clearly it’s all just a big mess with no clear direction for the song

[south marten]

That’s our insta if you want to follow us

[tribal orbit]

Listened to Guillotine:
I think from a compositional side, the intro riff goes on for like 4-8 bars too long cuz there's no real variation. The gain is a little too high on the guitars, losing a bit of the note clarity, and you cna really hear it in that pause between intro and verse. The vocals in the verse feel like the they aren't properly mixed in, almost like they're sitting above the mix rather than nested in it, yknow?
The bridge(?) and outro-ish part has some weird shimmer reverb on everything that is a little distracting.
I think the noise gate on the guitars was also set oddly, cuz there are parts where it's super quick and reactive and cuts a lot out, but then there are parts where it feels like it should clip but doesnt

Besides the critique, it's a decent track. Long, but that's not exactly a bad thing when there are clear segments

[south marten]

Yea that’s mainly y it’s a demo. It’s not perfect we were stressed on time

[tribal orbit]

All That Remains...:
The mixing and mastering is not for me. It's a demo, sure, but it feels likeyou def could've dual tracked the guitars. I think fi you redid it with a proper mix, this would definitely end up on my playlist

It's got that mud that a lot of garage-band mixes/masters have that is cool in like old AMV's on youtube

but not great for things otehr than that yknow

Sorry if I'm being hyper critical

[south marten]

Yea we did that in a garage lol. It was something that we just wanted to get done. Overall the whole band kinda regrets putting that one out but we just really wanted to show that we can make original music

It’s totally fine. I love listening to criticism because it makes want to create something perfect

[tribal orbit]

checking out Ruins of War

It's pretty decent mix wise, biggest thing for me so far is the vocals, they get drowned out in the mix, so the opposite of the issue from Guillotine. The drums are super heavy on the low end and are missing the top-end impact sound

the guitars and bass are fine tho from what I can tell

[south marten]

Awesome. Obviously I know that our first record isn’t going to be the best album of all time. I think what limiting us is we have little to no money to put into this so it’s really hard. We are only 18-20 years old so I’m pretty proud of what we have achieved and what we will continue to do

[tribal orbit]

I get it man, you're preaching to the choir

My band's first single just over a year ago aint great, and our first album is just kinda eh mix wise

I'm only 22, and the other founding member of my band is only 19

I really only started getting into production and mixing and all that noise about 2 years ago

at least just seriously into it

[south marten]

I haven’t gotten into mixing at all so it’s all new to me

[tribal orbit]

thankfully, youtube and nail the mix are really helpful

It just takes practice and time, like anything

[south marten]

Yea time is the one thing that is never on our side

[tribal orbit]

Are you the one doing the production?

[south marten]

No a buddy from another band is

[tribal orbit]

icic

Yeah, it's hard to have control over the final product if you aren;t the one doing it

[tribal orbit]

Thoughts?

[wooden portal]

I like these choruses, I think the melody is really nice. The screams, my personal wish is that there were some mids or highs added in too. Do you layer your screams or just once? I learned that I always need at least two layers and try to match them phonetically as perfect as possible, and then I just edit the hit points. I think it would really help, you can hear the breaks on those long screams. It's so hard to sustain for me too. Literally I just try to record two exact same sounding lines for my main screams, sometimes I have to pitch it up or down a few semitones

Layering 2 layers of the closest sound you can get hides almost all imperfections and little breaks in the screams. I see you have some other lows mixed in there too which are nice. I only leave 1 layer of screams OCCASIONALLY when I do lows. Most times my screams are always doubled.

I can actually hear your second layer on the lows. If I'm not mistaken, your main scream vocal line sounds like mainly just one.

Here's what I mean with my screams, it's so slight but so helpful. Especially when they both go through the same compressor, you can even turn the worst one down a smidge and the other up more.

[tribal orbit]

I do layer, but not usually on the same group

As for mixing in some highs or mid screams, the lower ones are just more consistent, especially in longer phrases fo rm

[tribal orbit]

This is exactly true

[wooden portal]

🙂

That's all I'd add. The sound design is nice. the space is filled, especially in that chorus

[tribal orbit]

I will try it and see how I like it

am recording vocals for another song atm

[wooden portal]

ditto

[blissful cliff]

I'm messing around with producing different genres

feedback would be appreciated!

[wooden portal]

Is it intentionally instrumental or will you add vocals later?

[blissful cliff]

I'm planning on adding vocals at some point

my wife might do them, idk

[wooden portal]

The whole thing is nice, I especially like everything aafter 1:40. You may have to remove some of the high end for vocals, or at least turn down that main instrument

[blissful cliff]

yeah for sure

I started this like 5 hours ago so It still needs a lot of work XD

[wooden portal]

this is tonights project. literally this was take 1 on the singing though. Just getting some rough vocals down

how about that scream part tho 🫠

just trying to get all my ideas written out before final takes

[blissful cliff]

Not bad at all bro

solid vocals

[wooden portal]

🙂

thank you!

[delicate whale]

finally able to put my voice over something that isnt a beat, i did everything except the guitar.

https://open.spotify.com/track/4srw6TFbpfkauKRSkfc5NG?si=f0591b29f01a4291

[tribal orbit]

@wooden portal I tried layering the screams. I think it muddies them just a tad too much. I might try it on another track when the mix/master is less dialed in

[wooden portal]

Yeah I like mine doubled but I also spend a ton of time editing it so that all the hit points are lined exactly up so it sounds like one WAV still. I like the sound i end up with at least

[tribal orbit]

It works for you, yeah

idk if it would for me

[kind blaze]

Thoughts?
(It’s not metal)

[fathom jewel]

very bass, very ambient, noice

[swift slate]

somewhat trying to do mirar thall lol

it's not mixed btw

[native cedar]

thoughts? its an all instrumental just piano and strings

[tribal orbit]

@sacred estuary Update-
Vocals have been added. Mix is still rough, especially the breakdown

@wooden portal also lmk what you think

[wooden portal]

I like the reverb, especially at the end. I like the piano tone too. It would help knowing what genre or plans you have for it for better opinion. I personally would sustain the chords instead of releasing them so quick but just personal thoughts

[wooden portal]

Some of the squeals are off timing. I think you should use it less and more tastefully and put them all on different timing choices though I can think of a few bands. Give it a more djent feel. But you could be going for a diff vibe

[wooden portal]

I love the intro. A lot of playlisters don’t like long intros though. That video game synth you used was really nice. I love this as ambiance music and atmospheric.

I love that you used a piano and effects so similar to before I turn and glass crown. That piano is so well done, even the drums are great. The last part is a little weird though. Might need to mess with that arpeggio

[wooden portal]

lol you always come in with the good songs. I like this one too, not as catchy as the last one but I still like it. I think the chorus could maybe use some synth or chords to assist the melodic parts so it adds more tension when the screams comeback for the chorus.

That low could use another layer but I’m just getting picky lol

[swift slate]

well i haven't tried to make it perfectly in time yet lol and tbh i'm mostly taking inspiration from mirar that use it sometimes even more often than i used it here

[wooden portal]

Btw This is what I meant https://youtu.be/wN9YXQtj9Z8?si=aW40jxM50zkiRGKr

[swift slate]

the thing is it's not what i'm trying to do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKVBJFAgL6U this is more like it lol

[tribal orbit]

Might add strings to the chorus tbh

Either that or boost us the existing synth

[tribal orbit]

Also I just noticed with the car test. Scream tone is too treble heavy

Gotta EQ it a bit better

[native cedar]

Thank you, the genre is going to be blackened deathcore. But this specific track is an instrumental for the first track for an EP that I am going to release early to mid April.

I am not done mixing yet but almost with that track

[versed remnant]

The mix so bad that there actually isn’t one, but what do we think about this concept? My friend and i are working this together for his final and i think its a good idea and i rly wanna like properly make it a song

[untold ruin]

demo im working on, guitars might be a little sloppy but I have no idea what to do before the synth break

[runic adder]

hey i know you

sounds dope lol

[untold ruin]

thanks lol

[runic adder]

LABYRINTHIAAAAAAAAAn

[late steppe]

Im currently writing a song and ive got the intro/verse but i dont know wherre to go from there my structure plan is
intro
verse
pre chorus
chorus
(repeat)
bridge
breakdown
verse

i suck at ideas lmao

[tribal orbit]

Do you have a melody cuz atm it seems to kinda just stay in place repeating itself

[late steppe]

No thats just it for now since that's the verse

It's inspired by Aerials by SOAD

[tribal orbit]

icic

I think some atmospheric stuff would help

just to have some change

[late steppe]

Well I only have guitar srum n basd and j csnt durm bass rn

[clever wraith]

hi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY_drLCsMyw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3lIJIqgAg4

[clever wraith]

and - Djentnuary:

- 1 Djent influenced song-sample

each January day in Youtube

• Everyone can participate.

• Please make this a real thing \m/

---

(I dont know where to put this
in this Discord for more visibility.
I hope Nik see it & all u djentypeople)

[late steppe]

like what

[tribal orbit]

Some wind or soemthing

[late steppe]

?

[late steppe]

what do you mean

[tribal orbit]

Like exactly that. Maybe the sound of a storm and waves crashing

Literal atmosphere

Idk how more clear I can be

[late steppe]

i dont think i can add that to tabs orr do that live

[tribal orbit]

For tabs, no

But live you have a backing track

So it’s always good to have in a recording

[late steppe]

not at the venues i perrform

[tribal orbit]

Well do you plan on recording this and releasing it?

Cuz if so, production will help a lot

[late steppe]

yes but itll all be just what we can do with instruments and vocals

and thats not till like late nexst yer maybe

[tribal orbit]

I’d say keep an open mind for the production side of music making and recording

You’d be surprised how much it can effect the feel and progression of a song

[late steppe]

weve all agreed to not add anything outside of instruments its just to get the best take we can

[tribal orbit]

See thats the beauty of it - you add the production stuff after you record

[late steppe]

We aren't going to

[tribal orbit]

Ight, do what you wanna do. I will heavily recommend it

All I can say is that the production side helps more than you probably realize

Anywayyyssss

Latest versions of these

Alexis's drums are almost done, so those will change very shortly

[runic adder]

this automation is going to be the death of me

no idea why i decided to cover a hlb song but here we are

[runic adder]

oh yea it's because the song is heavy as shit

[runic adder]

oh wtf those first screeches are in the wrong octave dammit

[late steppe]

Rough demo

[granite mist]

had some random vocal sample come up in my ig reels, definitely wasnt made for a metalcore chorus but i turned it into one

[wooden portal]

I made a sick metal video using a terrible Dan Avidan clip 😂 that ending is sick tho

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYVHKE6W/

@tribal orbit

[tribal orbit]

Lmaooo

Nice nice

[wooden portal]

Kinda a shame to put that ending on that song but there will be more

[atomic viper]

This is my attempt at playing floods (I've been playing for half an year so don't judge too harshly) and this is my best take tbh

@frozen talon is it good?

[frozen talon]

🪑 = 👍

[atomic viper]

aight

[fringe geode]

Or not..

[floral swallow]

Nah, im not gonna ignore the video, couse its fire

AYEEE

[fringe geode]

Damn audio codec

[floral swallow]

GIVE IT BACK

I was listening man

[fringe geode]

Alright I'll give it bacc

[floral swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/lorna-shore-will-ramos-gif-4586249236457700180

[fringe geode]

I didnt think anyone was here lol.

There you go @floral swallow

According my prof, she described it as "an old rocker coming back with one more thing left to give."

[floral swallow]

VIDEO IS FIRE

And song also

If it had vocals it would be even better imo

But its still solid work

do you published it anywhere, like yt or smth?

[fringe geode]

Nope. Because it was made for my final project for one of my classes lol.

I wanted to add vocals but had no time left.

[floral swallow]

But you can finish it still for yourself yeah?

[fringe geode]

Hell yeah I can.

I got a couple songs made specifically for school work that I finished for myself.

[floral swallow]

If you finish it, i will listen to it for sure tbh

LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU FINISH IT

[fringe geode]

You liked the song that much? I'm honored man.

[floral swallow]

Yeah man, like this is very solid track, and the visual also

Good job

Btw, how did you make it, its computer video or stop motion?

[fringe geode]

Dunno about the video. It was provided to me by the school and told me "score this" so I did.

[floral swallow]

Oh, i get it

[fringe geode]

As for the song, I made it in one night. Today was when it was due and I made it last night. 2 to 3 hours for composing and recording, 6 to 8 for mixing.

[floral swallow]

Wow

[fringe geode]

I'm runnin off 3 hours of sleep lol.

[floral swallow]

Get some sleep bro

[fringe geode]

After I eat and game. I deserve a break lol.

I thought it was gonna come out ass but it came out pretty good all things considered.

[floral swallow]

It gives me polish (Couse im from poland) rock from 90'-00' kind of vibe

[fringe geode]

I don't know any Polish band other than Riverside ngl.

[floral swallow]

And it's sounds very nostalgic for me

[floral swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB_jTT4YesE

This is the vibe im talking about

It's not very simmiliar, but the vibe is

Even a video (Haha couse this is how the band is called) is giving me same energy

Idk if you see this or im just delusional lol

[kind blaze]

anyone down to collab

[runic adder]

For what?

[kind blaze]

to get the track done

[runic adder]

But like what do you want

Vocals, guitar, drum midi, mixing, etc

[kind blaze]

everything you mentioned here, but i can try some mixing besides

and vocals as a ft. or something but not necessary

[versed remnant]

Black Metal Concept of sorts, thoughts?

[runic adder]

I can help w guitar and songwriting, but I won't do mixing or vocals

[atomic viper]

Floods solo, this is the best take I could get tbh and I've been playing for half a year so dont judge that harshly

[kind blaze]

thats enough for me, i dont know how to process guitars at all

[fringe geode]

Not that hard.

High pass the guitars to somewhere between 80 and 100Hz, sometimes you'll need to go a little higher but that depends on tuning and such.

Low pass your guitars between 10 and 8kHz. Sometimes you can let some higher frequencies sneak through like 11 or 12k but again, depends on what you want.

Then you want to cut some resonant frequencies that might be too much. They could be anywhere but typical problem frequencies can be found d between 500 - 700Hz or 3 to 4kHz. Everything else is up to what you hear.

Everything after is my secret sauce. ;3

And then ezpz guitars are generally done. I'll go back and check on em once other elements of the mix have been processed. Most notably bass and cymbals.

There are great tutorials out there from guys like Nolly, Joey Sturgis, Jordan Valeriote, and even Buster on how to mix guitar. Everyone has their own process.

[young shore]

The urge to add vocals but no good mic in sight : (

[runic adder]

It be like that sometimes

[cyan spear]

https://youtu.be/z8pbQDZ7Deg

i've made this song

what y'all think?

all by myself

i think i should not add to many low frequencies

[wicked berry]

Why did I make this? Idk

[kind blaze]

This and Everbloom are very pretty

Keep doin what you’re doin yo

[cyan spear]

🫶 thanks!

[kind blaze]

i noted that down and will try on my next projects. im practicing some of my own riffs, i really would love to have a band man. i got a sound-design idea down, and some themes. but i dont have anyone who would make music with me.

[hoary heart]

pretty nice

[kind trail]

Made a new tone, Bonus points if you guess the Plugin and/or the kind of guitar I'm using

[kind blaze]

Archetype Petrucci

[runic adder]

definitely not the new plugin that just released, why would it be...i'm going with mixwave mike stringer and definitely not petrucci x

and you have like, 7 guitars dude nobody's guessing that shit lmao

[kind trail]

Nope

[kind trail]

Nope

It's not actually a recent plugin ironically enough

[runic adder]

yeah but because you said that right after petrucci x released we're bound to think that

[kind trail]

Fair enough

[runic adder]

probably fortin nameless for all i know lol

[kind trail]

Close

Cali Suite

Also I'm using a Strat in Standard tuning

Neck Pickup only for Rhythm

Ok Well D standard

But yeah

[kind trail]

A little demo I made with the tone. lmk wyt thx!

[open canyon]

what have i made

[pliant coyote]

What up y'all! Would love some thoughts and feedback on this new song, hope y'all are having a great Saturday! 😊
https://youtu.be/Q24y_YIEIcc?si=IuODBli7biLNRCCt

[runic adder]

cymbals could probably come up a little, sounds pretty good otherwise

[runic adder]

finally learning how to use vital

my power grows

[open canyon]

sounds good man! how long have you been learning vital?

if you want some small fun tips on how to make it even more ominous ill gladly help a lil :)

[open canyon]

you inspired me to do it myself once again for like the 327894th time

i am absolutley not a mirar meatrider

and darko

i would never

[runic adder]

About a month or so

Basically just picked it up

I’d love some advice

[runic adder]

That’s sick

[open canyon]

a good way to make it more crazy and ominous is to actually layer reverbed droning guitars and pitching them one or two octaves up, and having more than one synth active also, but most importantly ALOT of reverb

100% mix too

cake dat ho up

[runic adder]

As in more than one instance of vital, or multiple waves within vital?

For that one I have three waves active iirc

[runic adder]

Bet

[open canyon]

more than one instance

like

different synths

ill try nto demonstrate

bc when i want to make distressing, or just ambient noise in general, i want it to sound huge

so paning, multiple synths / instruments

REVERB

REVERB

REVERB

but also keeping it rather simple

atleast note wise

think of it more as a droning note than maybe a melody too

okay, so i have divided it into 3 simple like sections

the low, mid / high synth and just a simple piano chord that will be used to make the listeners brain determine what key it is in

and because we have that droning chord that changes microtonaly on the seconth synth, it becomes stupidly jarring

and boom

not a masterpiece, but i hope it gets the point across

🙏 just my method of doin crazy shis

[runic adder]

Interesting, I’ll check it out when I’m back in my studio

Gotta recreate the midi though, I already bounced it to an audio file 😭

[open canyon]

bet

[kind blaze]

trying it out on fl stock plugins. sound cool tho

[runic adder]

me when the labyrinth

[kind blaze]

WOWOWOWOWOOWOW

[runic adder]

guitars could be a little brighter but that's an amp thing, sounds fine

[kind blaze]

thank you isnt there a bit to much of low end?

sound kinda dumped

[runic adder]

mmm

check around 250hz

[kind blaze]

im in the music channel if you wanna hang

[kind blaze]

[fringe geode]

Not bad. Play around with it more. Try to fit it in with a full band mix. Like bass, drums, the works. You'll find that the frequencies you have to cut will be moved around a little bit depending on the other elements in your mix including the your guitar tuning. The higher tunings are more harmonically rich than lower tunings. But are also easier to EQ. The lower you go the harder guitars are to EQ because they will start to compete with the bass.

It's why in modern metal, bass isn't really an audible thing you hear but rather feel. Cuz it's more used as a foundation production wise rather than an actual musical element to the song.

It's not a bad thing, It's just something to be aware of. I just don't make that type of music so i have very little practice at it. The lowest I go is like A or G.

[runic adder]

Yep. Personally, though, not much a fan of that mindset. Used to struggle with putting bass in my mixes because I want to hear it lol

It’s also important to realize that the lower guitars go, the more the bass is necessary. Cabs and irs don’t reallly output defined sound below a certain point, which is where bass comes in because it shines right around where the guitars get flubby and messy

So it’s about figuring out how to properly treat guitar low end so it meshes with the bass imo

I don’t ever high pass my guitars, I usually cut the really messy parts so that the guitars can still have low end but the bass can also help carry it

[fringe geode]

I only high pass up to 120hz at most depending on tuning. The low mids is where most of the power of your guitars are. So it's kinda interesting you don't high pass your guitars. My only concern is with so much low end how does your kick punch through?

[fringe geode]

Depends on the cab and IR. Some cabs and IRs are better at low tuning than others.

[runic adder]

I control it with wide dips as opposed to cutting

[runic adder]

True

[fringe geode]

Interesting. Do you add a MB Comp on top of that to control palm mutes?

[runic adder]

Most of the low end, especially the chugs, get controlled by the OD pedal in the guitar chain

For me at least I don’t have much of an issue with it

[fringe geode]

Pretty cool trick honestly ngl. Next time I have a low tuned song I'll try it out.

[runic adder]

Yeah, running into an overdrive pedal before the amp helps control the low end a little

I use neural DSP plugins so idk your options, but my preference is the hexdrive from Fortin nameless

[hollow tulip]

remaking a project which is about a little bit over a year old at this point
it's a remix of a boss theme called "hiroari shoots a strange bird ~ till when?"
maybe i should change the snare

[sullen vector]

dude this is so sick, awesome work

[mystic zealot]

thing i did in like 20 mins, wanted to see what others think i should add or change (also cool pantera reference in there)

[mystic zealot]

solo

[runic adder]

FINALLY GOT GOJIRA X WOOOOOOOO

sorry im a lil too happy rn

[runic adder]

FUCKING HOSTILLLLEEEEEEE

sounds good, I'd raise the guitars and bass slightly

[runic adder]

may or may not have seen a certain movie recently

[native cedar]

Thoughts anyone?

its still pretty rough but I am getting close to finishing it

[spare sundial]

MegaMan 2 inspired lmao

[coral yacht]

Song inspired by kami and Nik

[open canyon]

dont ask me what this is

not finnised as it needs more samples heh

[fringe geode]

@inner sedge I think you might appreciate this.

I made it for my SO as a Christmas present cuz they LOVE Nier/Drakengard.

Guitar/Bass: LTD SN-200, Epiphone Blackbird
Amp Sims: Archetype Plini X, Parallax X
Drums: EzDrummer 3
Piano: Quiet Piano

[inner sedge]

oh right i was gonna check this out ahaha gimme a sec

[inner sedge]

pretty sick!

[tribal orbit]

Same two WIP I’ve been posting for a while, but now much more developed. Inadequate/Daylight Savings Breakdown is almost release ready

@fringe geode and @wooden portal

Lmk what you think

[versed remnant]

@tribal orbit @runic adder Can I get some feedback on this intro idea? I plan on retracking everything just want feedback on the idea

[fringe geode]

Reminds me of the beginning of a Moodring song. Except without the sexy panty dropping vocals and more breee

[versed remnant]

some vocals done, as well as the full track

[runic adder]

been listening to the cleansing recently?

[versed remnant]

mayhaps

how could you tell?

maybe I just like my 210 riffs

[runic adder]

i wonder

[versed remnant]

ehehehe

what do u think tho? is it good

in

its own special way

I'm adding a forrest gump sample if that helps

Well i added it

[versed remnant]

Finished

@runic adder does this sound quiet? Or is it fine

[runic adder]

as in the mix or a certain instrument?

[versed remnant]

the mix

like does it feel quiet cuz if it does I need to turn up all the songs for the ep I just wanna make sure it doesn't feel like its fine to me then it becomes a bad listening experience

[runic adder]

it doesn't feel quiet, but a lot of loudness comes from mastering so I'd say you don't have to worry about that until you're mastering the ep

[tribal orbit]

def sounds better

[runic adder]

for example, cover of Labyrinthian by HLB that I'm working on. The mix is super fucking quiet lol

vs the "master" (still not done with the track so basic master for now) which is much louder

[versed remnant]

I have to record two more whole songs tomorrow as well as doing the final mastering of everything because i need to upload it tomorrow to streaming services

Doing car test on current mix state

I must say bass is very heavy in hear

Idk if its the csr or my mix tho

[versed remnant]

SWAG

Hows my mix tho??

[versed remnant]

Ahhhh

well bass was an issue

it was the only thing redlining

Should be fixed?

[tribal orbit]

Mix much better

[versed remnant]

SWAG

[tribal orbit]

guitars a little muddy, but better than a lot of your early stuff

[versed remnant]

I don't think I can do anything ab it being muddy i think its my pickups on my epiphone

When I track stuff w the new jackson it'll sound way better I hope

I would use it for everything

but I am NOT retuning it that many times

plus the string gauge is not high enough for those low tunings

I just put a pack of strings meant for a seven on my epiphone so I can do lower tunings too

[tribal orbit]

EQ

[versed remnant]

Can you send me a good how to eq guitars video for me to watch tonight and use on the final mix when i mix everything tomorrow

[open canyon]

god you are actually realy cloes now 😭

[open canyon]

damn those lows are nasty bro

[open canyon]

i wanted to make something MASSIVE, like something CRAZY to end the year, something to let the year FADE away kinda, MASSIVE....

(gimme feedback on mix pliz)

[shut igloo]

need some feedback on this track

[runic adder]

Thanks lol

Have to re-record the guitars, they’re sloppy in some parts, then I’m adding vocals

[runic adder]

Off my phone speakers it sounds fine, I’ll give feedback once I listen on my monitors

[spare sundial]

YOOOO wassup, this song is gonna be released on all platforms (hopefully today, I fucked up with Distrokid) and let me know what you think!

[runic adder]

Very video game

I think it sounds good (again, phone speakers lol)

[spare sundial]

Lmao thank you. The inspiration behind this was MegaMan 2

[runic adder]

Sounds about right lol

[shut igloo]

someone pweeez tell

[spare sundial]

Listening rn

[runic adder]

Off my phone speakers, it sounds fine

[spare sundial]

What drum vst you using?

[runic adder]

I’ll give more detailed feedback once I can listen on my monitors 😭

[shut igloo]

ez drummer 3

[spare sundial]

Nice

[shut igloo]

I LOOK FORWARD TO IT

[runic adder]

Which pack?

[spare sundial]

This sounds really fuckin cool

Lmao I hear them bass slides

[shut igloo]

that death metal pack with jungle theme

[runic adder]

Oh yeah

I love that one

[shut igloo]

well my main instrument is bass

[runic adder]

That was my go to until I upgraded to superior

[spare sundial]

Try more velocity changes on the hihats

[shut igloo]

point taken in consideration

[runic adder]

You’re so real for that

[spare sundial]

Also the drums sound like they have a lot of room reverb

damn

That guitar tone is fuckin juicy

This reminds me of Karmanjakah

[shut igloo]

distortion tone or the clean?

[spare sundial]

Distortion

[shut igloo]

oh thenks hehe

that was my first try for makin a "good" clear tone

[spare sundial]

Yeah I would say fix up that drum room reverb, it's overpowering the mix a little bit, you can still keep it, just turn that down a bit

And that's it honestly

[shut igloo]

hahah thanks man

[spare sundial]

Really fuckin solid

[shut igloo]

the end is crazier xD

[spare sundial]

Oh maybe for the end, you can introduce an orchestra ambience

For the half time drum breakdown at the end

[shut igloo]

apparently i asked one of my friend to add a solo from the part where the guitar gets a low cut

and then the chorus

till end of breakdown

[spare sundial]

Ahhh ok

[shut igloo]

but he got too busy with exams

so thats that for now

i cant play solo to save my life

m just a chill rhythm guy

[spare sundial]

B a s s s o l o

[shut igloo]

THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY THOUGHT

[runic adder]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-chill-guy-just-a-chill-guy-relax-gif-1579445140409713118

[shut igloo]

sm chord tappin and all

[shut igloo]

literally me

i have one more track for u guys to listen

to

this is defo not deathcore but its smth

i have not listened to any deathcore and this is my pov of what deathcore is like

[runic adder]

Interesting

I think you should listen to deathcore lol

I like the main riff, that change up is fun

[shut igloo]

the pre breakdown thingy is 15/16 time signature 💀

i dont even know how i made that riff

sounded 4/4 to me

but isnt if that makes any sense

[runic adder]

Lmao

Most of what I do is deathcore so I may be a little biased, but you should listen to more deathcore

Sounds like a good approach though

[shut igloo]

m more of a modern metalcore guy like oceans ate alaska and her last sight and all

suggest some deathcore

[shut igloo]

yo this band is kinda smash

[runic adder]

Whitechapel, shadow of intent, suicide silence, thy art is murder, disembodied tyrant, BMTH (before sempiternal), oceano, Lorna shore, carnifex, Chelsea grin

Some of my favorites at least

[shut igloo]

oh i have heard bmth's early stuff

some whitechapel too

from nik's vids actually

[runic adder]

Oh nice

[shut igloo]

one of my good friend told me bout bmth's history and old stuff

so did some diggin and found their old stuff

which is very

different from what they do

[runic adder]

Different

Yep

It’s good though

[shut igloo]

why would they change tho?

[runic adder]

Maybe they felt like it? Idk

I haven’t listened to any of their albums past sempiternal 💀

[shut igloo]

hahaha i discovered them from that one album with an umbrella

[runic adder]

Nice lol

[fathom jewel]

feedback on the mix?

[shut igloo]

the drums are tight asf

[open canyon]

thats fucking beautifull

and that damn breakdown

[runic adder]

the mix is fine, the drums sound super raw so it kinda sounds a little slammy lol

slam-thall

guitars could be a touch brighter but it's not that much of an issue

[runic adder]

I'd lower the cymbals a little, i feel like they're a little overpowering in some parts (especially that china lol, ezx death china is great but loud af)

otherwise i think it's pretty good

veeeeery bright lol

[runic adder]

still very mega man lol

mix is good

[runic adder]

breakdown at the end made me think of veil of maya lol

[open canyon]

that was the exact aim lmao

[open canyon]

i agree with this and upon adjusting it it sounds, just like 4% better lmao

[runic adder]

fair lol

wasn't too much of an issue imo

[open canyon]

ye ik

surprised you didnt point out that the clean guitar fadeout before the riff was super sudden

[versed remnant]

Deathcore again!

[open canyon]

classic ahh deathcore (noice)

[versed remnant]

Basic ahh deathcore (thank you)

[open canyon]

it aint gotta be complicated vro

[versed remnant]

Fairfair

[tribal orbit]

Recreant my beloved

[versed remnant]

Again I just really like my 2-1-0 riffs

As a hobby

[kind blaze]

any thoughts?

[shut igloo]

can u tell which part specially
tho i think its prolly chorus cuz thats where the china is

[shut igloo]

need some feedback, made it last night breakdown is decent ig but pre chorus after breakdown and breakdown feel a bit disconnected

the time sig on breakdown is 15/16

pls ignore the name

[kind blaze]

some djenty guitars here?

[open canyon]

i came.

😭

[runic adder]

whole thing, I used the china as an example

just lower the cymbals slightly, maybe like 1-2db

[shut igloo]

okii

[shut igloo]

judge this one too

[runic adder]

lower the cymbals

[runic adder]

sure

[kind blaze]

uhm okkkk idk whats better lolol

these are just idea riffs im not sure if i take these in advance you can modify them

And happy new year to all!

[runic adder]

just as you sent that I was working on this lol

a little quiet

not quite mixed at all lol, toms aren't leveled yet and there's a lot of tweaking to do