Music Production

[zinc coral]

it is never a DAW issue

unless your using like

sound trap

[ruby jay]

are they two different takes? I hope you've not duplicated the same take and flipped the phase

[pliant tree]

nope the guitars are always same takes in every chorus, but every time i flip phase choruses like this i get this effect

[ruby jay]

there's your problem

[pliant tree]

no, i want the guitars to cancel phase

im just trying to figure out why the guitars are moving around like that they sound spliced or something

[ruby jay]

if they cancel phase you wouldn't be able to hear them 😭

the phase cancelling makes it sound wrong

[pliant tree]

yeah im tryna mess with songs

theyre not mine im just asking why this may be happening

[ruby jay]

did u extract guitars from another song by stem splitting?

[pliant tree]

no its literally just the song but with the first and second chorus phase inverted over itself

so the guitars should phase cancel if they arent like spliced and moved around on purpose for whatever reason

[ruby jay]

what are u trying to achieve by doing this?

[pliant tree]

inverting instrumental with original song and stuff like that

[ruby jay]

are you trying to recreate a song? use the original as reference?

[pliant tree]

noo theres 2 versions of the song for example that the artist released one is instrumental one is original and im just tryng to get the vocals cleaner

actually in this example its synthless and with synth

doesnt have to be 2 different choruses it can just be the same chorus but the instrumental/synthless whatever, the guitars do this too

heres like an example when it actually inverts everything but the synths, but the bass is humanized so it has more samples so idc about that

on this song it does not but theres like no reason to splice guitars manually like this on a later release if you already have a good take.. like it has to be some effect on the guitars i just wanted to know if anyone would know what it could be

[pliant tree]

for reference this is how it sounds its just long powerchords theres no reason to splice manually 😭

[nimble nova]

my guitars sound huge cuz i used a octaver and dist, and then amp and a fitting cab so they sound huge

may have too much mid ring out

in snare

could give cymbals alil more loudness too

im not xenon but i js wanted give sum criticism lol

[dusk lagoon]

might have to try this. gojira octaver prolly the best for it right?

once i tried tubescreamer to the DI before ampsim, but still couldnt quite get the sound i was lookin for. i dont know why. it tightened the sound a bit yeah, but the "umph" modern guitar production has was still missing.

[nimble nova]

its very good, yes

[atomic apex]

I don't know exactly. Maybe it's something with how Caleb Shomo's style and Jordan Fish's style meshes. Also, what was up with the snapping in the first verse? For some reason, it just doesn't feel like it fits the rhythm of the song.

[pliant tree]

shh youre gonna wake up longestsoloever

[ruby jay]

the umph is in the low mids

[dusk lagoon]

sounds fat. you literally just boost the low-mid sect from ampsim or eq the whole bunch?

[ruby jay]

can do both, better to do it within the ampsim

sometimes I use external eqs to boost just the midside information

then I automate the bands to balance the fatness and the bite of the guitar, the main tone really depends on the IR tho

IRs will make or break a guitar tone

no amount of processing can fix a tone with a bad IR

good IRs and a solid bass tone will affect your overall guitar tone

[dusk lagoon]

cool. i've been relying on Will Putneys IR's from the STL Tones pack. using them with Nolly and Gojira

[grand jasper]

Or fl studio

[stiff raptor]

Ive got a big announcement for those chango-lovers

the FOP formula has been cracked

This is NOT the fop kit

this is all 100% Slate 3.5 for the kick and snare

minus one extra snare layer called the bubinga snare

@ruby jay @grand jasper

@grave marlin

[grand jasper]

Holy shit

I need this

[stiff raptor]

This is the culmination of about 4 days of work between me and two buddies of mine

We scoured old forums, sent messages to those who knew how to make the fop processing, i even literally hit up Kellen McGregor from MMF

He was extremely helpful

[grand jasper]

Now we need the challenger kit

[stiff raptor]

Sadly impossible cause the challenger kit is Jake Garland's actual snare

[grand jasper]

Ouch

[grand jasper]

Btw did you have problems with poise crashing

Poise was working terribly on my setup

[stiff raptor]

The trick is

Snare 10a
Snare 11a
Snare 12a
Snare 8

Then pick two extra snares to use as auxiliary room mics (close mics turned off)

Close mic sent through multiband compressor (multidynamics)
Room mics EQd and smashed, also gated

Both room channels sidechained to close mic

send both through more compression to glue together in a bus
slight multiband compression

Auxiliary room track sent separately to the whole snare bus with less processing

Bubinga hits layered in unprocessed

[stiff raptor]

nope, poise is smooth af for me

[grand jasper]

Gold

[stiff raptor]

that gives you this

[grave marlin]

Change your name to The Chango Dealer at once. 😂

[stiff raptor]

LOL

[grave marlin]

That's fucking insane. Like damn near 1:1

[stiff raptor]

Cam literally said the other day he has work for me in recreating old albums

I think he wants me to recreate the stems so he can re-release old chango stuff

[grave marlin]

If you told me that was THE FOP snare I'd have believed you

Ouuuuu

Brother making connections

That's insane

Also big ups on the kick. Again, 1:1 quality

[stiff raptor]

thank you!

[grave marlin]

Bro actually changed his name 😂😂😂

[stiff raptor]

LOL

[grave marlin]

Love this chat

[grand jasper]

Changocore needs to be a bigger thing

[stiff raptor]

For sure

[stiff raptor]

LOL

when cameron produces, and sturgis masters

THAT is peak

[grand jasper]

Tactical nuke

[grave marlin]

Don't make me chose

[stiff raptor]

LOL

[stiff raptor]

LOL

[grand jasper]

I just throw pro-l 2 on master and nothing else xd

[grave marlin]

I've been meaning to post about this for a bit, but I have have to get this out there. The production on Trivium's last EP blew me the fuck away. https://youtu.be/IIgswpHNZik?si=OniKjWyEINtiGaDC
The drums are insane. Genuinely insane. The tone, the fullness, the presence. Those toms fill me with joy. The guitars are fucking mean but clear but also angry. Vocals sound great. Josh Wilbur fucking killed it.

[grand jasper]

God damnit

It's not available in my country lol

[grave marlin]

It's Struck Dead

[stiff raptor]

Yeah this is really good

[grave marlin]

Find a way to listen to it.

[stiff raptor]

drums are super tight

[grave marlin]

I love good drums and these sound nuts

[ruby jay]

thank jens bogren 🫡

[stiff raptor]

my only complaint is i want more rooms but that's a personal thing LOL

also kick could cut through the bass guitar a little more

the overheads sound super clear

i think the best part is the guitar

and the toms

[grave marlin]

Yes. The toms genuinely make me giddy

[stiff raptor]

The guitar tone sounds like, in the best way, a spiritual successor to early metallica stuff

an improved version of that tone

[grave marlin]

Wow. Good call. That's a good way to describe it. It's super chunky and heavy but also super clear.

Like they put the amp in my ear.

[stiff raptor]

LOL

yes

[grave marlin]

Lmao

I fuck with it.

[stiff raptor]

i wonder if it's digital amps or mic'd amps

[grave marlin]

Good question. I have no idea but it wouldn't surprise me either way.

[ruby jay]

mic'd I hope

[grave marlin]

They sound like micd amps

[stiff raptor]

sounds like a 57 right up to the cone

[grave marlin]

For real

Shout out the sm57

[stiff raptor]

LOL

facts

[grave marlin]

$100 and can do virtually anything lmao

[ruby jay]

I see waves plugins 🔍

[stiff raptor]

LOL

[ruby jay]

not doing the free plugins only thing, are you?

[stiff raptor]

Eventually, i will

an essential thing to the sound of fop is maxxbass and there is quite literally zero free alternatives

it has a patented algorithm

[ruby jay]

how does it sound different compared to rbass?

[stiff raptor]

rbass has a different sound to it

something about saturating specifically the upper harmonics to create an auditory illusion is what maxxbass does best

[grave marlin]

Rbass is basically maxxbass lite. They work on the same principles, generating harmonics above the root note to create the illusion of deeper and richer bass. It's just that maxxbass gives you more control and I think their algorithms are slightly different. Rbass is way more simplified in terms of use but you can't control the exact tone as much.

I have rbass myself because I'm a simpleton 🙃

[stiff raptor]

haha

yeah the flexibility of maxxbass is really essential

[grave marlin]

Yeah absolutely

[stiff raptor]

if there was a free version with a similar algorithm that would be very helpful

Also TransX and Waves Arts Multidynamics are the other paid plugins i'm using

for the snare at least

I think i can use TDR nova to achieve similar results but i'll need to do another deep dive and A/B it

[grave marlin]

Honestly that shits so fun tho. Don't realize you can lose hours just a/bing shit and tweaking the littlest things.

[stiff raptor]

REAL

[grave marlin]

Hahaha

Then you go to sleep, wake up, and it all sounds wrong anyway 😂 Nawh but genuinely knob twiddling and frequency and tone hunting is some of my favorite parts of mixing.

[stiff raptor]

Agreed

[grave marlin]

@stiff raptor I was just doing some research out of boredom. Seeing references that the JS Big Booty Bass Enhanced stock plugin in Reaper does the same thing as rbass. Different algorithm for sure, but same principal. Have you played with it? Could be worth looking into, see if you can match Maxxbass with it

[stiff raptor]

ooohhhh

you may be right

That's worth a shot

@past shell pinging you to check your dms cause you asked me to

[grave marlin]

Yeah man. If you play around with it lemme know how that pans out for you.

[stiff raptor]

I hit ross up the other day and im gonna try to figure out which order harmonics it generates exactly

So i can determine what type of harmonics it should be generating

[grave marlin]

Ross the god

[stiff raptor]

LOL

[grand jasper]

hmm can I change my name to the sturgiscore dealer

[grave marlin]

Then you and xenon can lead dual cults in the chat. 😂

[stiff raptor]

:)

[grand jasper]

lol

i really wanna try to mix from first to last - note to self but sadly there are no stems available

[ruby jay]

im cervini imitator 😭

the only thing I deal is with the depression after listening to my mixes ❤️‍🔥

[stiff raptor]

LOL

[stiff raptor]

good song

[grand jasper]

hell yeah

[stiff raptor]

NOTE TO SELF I MISS YOU TERRIBLY

[grand jasper]

i can't stop listening to it lol

[stiff raptor]

THIS IS WHAT WE CALL A TRAGEDY

COME BACK TO ME

BACK TO ME

TO ME

[grand jasper]

i remember that there's a remaster with sotello but honestly skrillex's voice had more teen angst in it

[stiff raptor]

spencer's version is great and the mix is a lot better

[grand jasper]

yeah

[stiff raptor]

but yeah sonny's vocals are more emo

[grand jasper]

being off tune gives more soul to it

[stiff raptor]

haha

[grand jasper]

i really gotta learn how to do mid screams because i actually know how to do false chords but don't use them

[stiff raptor]

@wary shore gives lessons

[wary shore]

Indeed I do

[grand jasper]

two roooads split off from here

i am actually really shy about my vocals lol

but my cleans are pretty high

i can reach F5 occasionally

and when I was a kid I could reach the C6

[trim harbor]

Anyone here use AmpKnob?

[stiff raptor]

Yeee my highest safe note is a G5 but in studio I'll hit G#5

Mixed voice

[stiff raptor]

New cab sim vst yall

By ML Audio

Looks AMAZING

https://ml-sound-lab.com/mikko2

One free cab tho sadly

[zinc coral]

It’s been around for a couple years

[grand jasper]

Dang

[grand jasper]

damn wbtbwb's drum parts are kinda hard especially at the end xd

[past shell]

i used mikko 1

that was sick

i like that it shows you the fr

[stiff raptor]

Facts

[grand jasper]

i feel like this mix kinda sucks ass

[grand jasper]

(july 2025 mix for comparison)

[torn lynx]

Korn bass w/ Trilian

[zinc coral]

@stiff raptor this sounds like AI

[torn lynx]

I am having an issue with exported audio where there is white noise that doesn't show up at all when Im working on the project and I dont know how to fix it. Any help?

[zinc coral]

I BUILT A PLUGINNNN

LMNRFIX- Finds harmfull and clashing frequencies and cuts them automaticly

[trim harbor]

fire

[zinc coral]

i can give you acsess if you want

you probably need it haha

[trim harbor]

It honestly seems better than the other "fix" plugins like infinity horizon and soothe, i'll give it a go

[zinc coral]

sure, what daw do you use?

[trim harbor]

reaper

[zinc coral]

SICK, so that means it can directly export into your stock eq

(its still not fully developed so its still a html file)

[trim harbor]

I'd personally rather wait till it's a VST/DLL for simplicity

[zinc coral]

that will be a while

well here is the link if you want it

[past shell]

that is the worst thing i've heard all week

please don't use this

[stiff raptor]

Since when do you make plugins

[grand jasper]

The vox stems are a bit weird here but at least they're easier to mix than the vesta collide

[grand jasper]

@stiff raptor

[grand jasper]

i actually had this version before but you can barely hear the drums here xd

and the vocals are too loud

[grand jasper]

whats this

[stiff raptor]

yeah vocals are too loud but this sounds good

[grand jasper]

i like this more because the drums are much more audible

[stiff raptor]

yeah that one's better

[stiff raptor]

yeah no this does not sound good

it removed all the transients from the original signal

[grand jasper]

just had to lower everything but the drums

[stiff raptor]

yeah 100% ai lol

[grand jasper]

i also found some stems for apologies are for the weak but they are kinda meh (vocals are cool though)

[stiff raptor]

You have your vocals sit super loud LOL

[grand jasper]

too loud?

[stiff raptor]

Yeah

[grand jasper]

mmkay

i also got some stems for muse plug in baby

[grand jasper]

i now use a combination of 12a, 13a and 22 (iirc) everywhere for my drums lol

wade's bg mix made doing allat much easier

i just add some eq and distortion to snare, make a parallel compression send, snare reverb send, some ott on overheads and toms, aggressive compression on room and throw AW BG-Drums on the entire drum bus

and voila

i just like how my snares sound now

[grave marlin]

Yeah sorry to parrot but all this is doing is completely removing transients and squashing the sound. It sounds better with it off.

[grand jasper]

i actually like how this one turned out

[grand jasper]

Dang an hour

[grave marlin]

Why?

[grand jasper]

what

[grave marlin]

Am I reading that right that a 28 second clip took an hour to render? Why? Lol

[grand jasper]

no

it's just that i have 35 tracks there with total length of 1 hour

[grave marlin]

Ohhhh 😂

[grand jasper]

idk why i even collect them

[grave marlin]

I was about to say, my boi needs a new cpu 😂

[grand jasper]

chungus is my nickname for chango btw

[grand jasper]

i actually need a new cpu though

i have a toaster on i3-2120

[grave marlin]

Ou. I'm on a ryzen 5 3600 still

[grand jasper]

i would like to upgrade to 5600

i'm collecting money already

i need to start earning money from mixing and mastering stuff

[grave marlin]

Ryzen is nice. I've been an AMD stan since the r9 290 days

[grand jasper]

but i can't because i live in russia so there will be some troubles with money transfers from abroad

[grave marlin]

Aaaaa yeah that's gonna be tough

[grand jasper]

i'm afraid that i will need to use crypto which sounds really sketchy and probably a pain in the ass because i don't know anything about it

[zinc coral]

tf why?

[zinc coral]

idk, i just decided to

[stiff raptor]

It sounds bad 💔

[zinc coral]

i think it sounds good

[nimble nova]

Can i try this out?

[zinc coral]

absotuteley

lemme send it to you

[nimble nova]

Bet

[zinc coral]

i cant dm for some reason

[nimble nova]

Need to send a friend req

Anyone tried altar?

[grave marlin]

found my new drum vst
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y4m4CApVSUc

[ruby jay]

thumbforge

https://youtu.be/uDjL38Onpdk

[pliant tree]

good?

idk why my drums were so loud b4

[modest atlas]

is the vocals okay

[pliant tree]

a little lost i think

[zinc coral]

hi

[zinc coral]

i would respect you but your using the fucking buster kit

nah sorry haha

could use more production just to fill it up

[zinc coral]

need to come up

[pliant tree]

i like its cymbals but

[zinc coral]

i actually have one of those

[pliant tree]

busting all over the place

[grand jasper]

i don't think buster odeholm drums fit this mix
nice riffs though

[grand jasper]

i feel like the guitars are too buzzy here on the open strings

[pliant tree]

weird cuz i like it 😭

[grand jasper]

it only fits thall and modern metal stuff

[pliant tree]

i guess its modern metal?

idfk

just had to mb the lows out cuz i dont like the kick

[nimble nova]

true

[nimble nova]

sounds more 2000 esque to me

[nimble nova]

ringy snares my fav

🙏

[ruby jay]

u can use the kick and snare for electronic stuff as well

[nimble nova]

well i was going for a elecvtronic sound

yet realistic kind of

[ruby jay]

did u use superior drummer for this as well?

[nimble nova]

yes

with some triggers

i use sd3 for everything tbf

and im looking to get m&m 2 soon

[grand jasper]

ssd4 >>>>>

[nimble nova]

Im not so sure abt that

[grand jasper]

why

it's the best drum vst ever

[nimble nova]

Im not sure i never used it

[grand jasper]

for example

[nimble nova]

i personally not fan of their sound

atleast in this mix

[pliant tree]

trying to quadtrack with different amps ugh

[stiff raptor]

Quadtracking 👎

It always has phase problems and sounds warbly

Stick with regular L/R double tracking each individual part

Quad tracking all four takes of the same part doesn't make it thicker or fuller, it just emphasizes mistakes and causes frequency build up

[ruby jay]

quadtracking without a purpose goes wrong everytime

like if you want sludgy wall of sound, the two other quad tracks after the double track have to be lower octave and blended in to taste, switching amps and cabs won't help much

[ruby jay]

for a riff like this double track is more than enough

maybe you can try different amps or cabs on either left or right guitar

[pliant tree]

they are different vsts

both from neural tho

[sullen nymph]

I found such a cheat code of a plugin today y'all
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/pretty-pretty-princess-sparkle-by-turnt-plugins

[ruby jay]

how does it work compared to fresh air, or the slate revival in vtm?

somebody should plugin doctor this

[stiff raptor]

Doesnt really matter

Still just sounds warbly and muddy

[grand jasper]

@stiff raptor

[zinc coral]

overheads sound like they are being ducked too much

[grand jasper]

mmkay thanks

[nimble nova]

yeah nvm

it sucks

[grand jasper]

Lol

[nimble nova]

room goes mono when i try to route it

[zinc coral]

I think you missed the point of the plugin 🤣

[nimble nova]

its still not what i expected

so

also

[zinc coral]

Hi

[nimble nova]

doesnt work for my style

[zinc coral]

It’s a phone app

For phone people

[nimble nova]

still

[zinc coral]

No not really

[nimble nova]

its not the best drum vst

[zinc coral]

Because it’s for toddlers and to farm more money

[stiff raptor]

snare sounds kinda heavy on the close mic but sounds good otherwise imo

i personally love that much overhead ducking

[stiff raptor]

how does one even achieve this kick tone bruh

[stiff raptor]

ssd3.5

[nimble nova]

triggers

[stiff raptor]

nah i mean the sample

it doesnt even sound like a kick

[nimble nova]

thats the point

[stiff raptor]

is it just a ridiculous multiband

[nimble nova]

no multiband

wdym

[stiff raptor]

what is the processing on the kick is what i am asking

[nimble nova]

im not going the same sloppy kick tone everyone goes

[nimble nova]

compression

and eq

basic

[stiff raptor]

😭

https://klipy.com/gifs/ahem-shit-1

[nimble nova]

the sound is what matters i dont get u gng

what does the processing even have to do

[nimble nova]

this sounds so compressed

and the drum mix is uh

can be better

[stiff raptor]

ye that's kinda the point

[stiff raptor]

Mm disagree, kinda going for a specific vibe

[nimble nova]

what vibe

[stiff raptor]

think i got pretty close, although this version is blended with a real kit and the overheads are real

[nimble nova]

your drums sound way too loud

[stiff raptor]

so it isn't exact

[nimble nova]

theirs dont

[stiff raptor]

maybe because it's only drums and guitar

[nimble nova]

im just giving my pov

[stiff raptor]

It is by no means a full mix

[nimble nova]

if this didnt have vocals you'd notice it has not a very loud drums

[stiff raptor]

Mmm still disagree

[nimble nova]

well bro im just saying what i think its up to u to fix or not 🙏

[stiff raptor]

It isn't an issue, nor am I sending it asking for feedback

I sent it as an example of slate drums

[nimble nova]

you sent it to my message

[stiff raptor]

so not sure why you're trying to "fix" it

heres another one that sounds very close

[nimble nova]

they dont sound good 💔

yall trying to convince me but

[stiff raptor]

that's your opinion 🤷‍♂️

I love em

[nimble nova]

their sound is not suitable for modern metal

more like rock

[stiff raptor]

I'm not trying to make modern metal, so thank you

[nimble nova]

i do

so

[stiff raptor]

You do what

[nimble nova]

modern metal

[stiff raptor]

Cool?

I'm not trying to convince you of anything lol

Like i said, i just sent an example of slate drums

[nimble nova]

i suppose this is from 2000 or 2010

era

[stiff raptor]

correct

that's the era of drums SSD 3.5 was released in

there you go now you're understanding

[nimble nova]

then ur drums can fit

[nimble nova]

nope

i have a set ready for that stuff

i didnt expand on it yet tho

[stiff raptor]

this needs a lot of work, the guitar and drums sound like they're fighting against eachother

[nimble nova]

random thall concept idk lo

[stiff raptor]

everything is fighting for volume in the mix and in multiple parts the drums sound very off-time

[nimble nova]

they're in time wdym

also not rlly agree on this

[stiff raptor]

when did you start mixing?

[nimble nova]

4 years ago

[stiff raptor]

mm i see

[nimble nova]

im proud of this one tbh

[stiff raptor]

this sounds quite a bit better although the guitar tone is pretty weird

theres a hiss in the 10k range and it's lacking body

[nimble nova]

it fits mix though

idk bro

judging from u

i never saw something from u

musicwise

i cant tell if u are giving feedback that fixes my mix

or makes it worse

[stiff raptor]

i'm the producer of a few pretty sick bands rn

i just did live sound for Hall of the Elders last night actually

I ran the sound for a sold out show in dfw

[nimble nova]

can u show maybe

what bands

[stiff raptor]

a few revivalcore bands in my area, my band is actually getting pretty good traction and it's sick to see

[nimble nova]

cool

[stiff raptor]

we just hit 21k monthly

[nimble nova]

thats peak

[stiff raptor]

but anyway, i am a legit producer and mixing engineer, it's my job, so when i provide feedback i'm indeed trying to help you

whether or not you want to change your mix based on my feedback is up to you

[nimble nova]

abt this one

[nimble nova]

i never saw a production from u tho

[stiff raptor]

Yeah i typically don't send them because i don't look for feedback on my professional works in public forums

[nimble nova]

no offense but this doesnt sound professional at all

[stiff raptor]

LOL

[nimble nova]

im no professional either and

i listen different stuff

[stiff raptor]

then what makes you qualified to say?

[nimble nova]

so thats my word

[stiff raptor]

🤔

[nimble nova]

dont take it far

[nimble nova]

just to me

the drums comp are a bit weird to me

[stiff raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/tesla-albert-einstein-madwolfofōkami-gif-13692030474614117380

[nimble nova]

i think i can talk

and say ur song is a bit more compressed than what u are going for

and guitars are warmer too

thats cuz different irs

[stiff raptor]

Hey guy, do i need to clarify again that that was only a drum test? I wasnt going for that exact mix at all

I literally just threw a riff on top of a beat, for the sole purpose of doing a test ssd3.5 mix

It's not a demo or a professional thing lol

Not sure why you keep harping on it

[nimble nova]

i see

u didnt produce anything yet?

[stiff raptor]

I've produced quite a bit lol, i've been doing it almost 10 years

[stiff raptor]

.

[nimble nova]

they didnt get posted anywhere?

in social medias?

[stiff raptor]

They're all on all streaming platforms

spotify, apple music, bandcamp

[nimble nova]

u never said that but ok

[stiff raptor]

.

said it twice

"Example of slate drums"

not a full mix

lol

[nimble nova]

im sticking with sd3

[stiff raptor]

Awesome

[nimble nova]

with a industry standard kit

[stiff raptor]

Huh lol

[nimble nova]

can i check them out or smth

also question

whats revivalcore

revival to the 2000s?

[stiff raptor]

2000s or 2010s metal but with a modern twist

[nimble nova]

damn

i need to see that

[stiff raptor]

Nah cause you're gonna try to pick apart my mix 🤯

[nimble nova]

uh

no

[stiff raptor]

I've posted my band here before anyway

[nimble nova]

but ok

[stiff raptor]

if you really want to hear it you're welcome to search for it

[nimble nova]

u sound offended

[stiff raptor]

Nah i've just had this happen before

[nimble nova]

when did that happen

[stiff raptor]

Once some guy created two alts just to insult my mix because he got butthurt lol

[nimble nova]

uh

yeah thats bad

and fucked up too

kinda

[stiff raptor]

yeah lmao

@past shell remembers that one

[nimble nova]

i was just in doubt, nothing else

[stiff raptor]

yea i gotchu

[nimble nova]

how did u learn mixing and master?

[stiff raptor]

Self taught + i worked as a live sound assistant for a while

[nimble nova]

i also self taught

tbf im 5 years at mujsic but mix and master is 4

[stiff raptor]

ah yeah makes sense

my band is called unbroken reign if you're curious

[nimble nova]

still releases music?

[stiff raptor]

yep we're still active

just released a single a few weeks ago

[nimble nova]

sorry for being stupid btw

[stiff raptor]

LOL youre good

[nimble nova]

will hear the band later

[zinc coral]

Oh my god, no one ever uses that

[nimble nova]

eq?

are u sure

you kick can sound muddy and not clicky without eq

[zinc coral]

It’s a joke, you just said it like it was a thing that people don’t use

[nimble nova]

i said it as a thing everyone uses

[nimble nova]

do u make this free or like

u price it

also how much genres do u make?

[stiff raptor]

it's all paid work!

I produce any rock or metal adjacent genre

[zinc coral]

How’s that new pfp @stiff raptor hahaha

Bring back the gumball

[nimble nova]

And u do solo too?

[stiff raptor]

Like i produce my solo project? yea

[nimble nova]

Wowo can i see 👀

Btw i have heard some of the band somgs

And they are pretty good

[stiff raptor]

https://open.spotify.com/track/1rj1vT7REdC4SuQSIKqIqo

[nimble nova]

I still need to see more tho i didnt listenbmuch its late in the night

Also there is a song i really like that sounds like 2010s metalcore and i would like to see if u know songs/albums/artists that sound like it

https://open.spotify.com/track/4l6m1x05ChXrZA7GEoQtO6?si=qpbWLTx7StusGIOEC1Q5Qg

This one

It sounds like 2010s bmth

And i love it

[stiff raptor]

Sounds like generic radio metalcore to me honestly

doesn't sound very 2010s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAv-i32qPBg

this one sounds kinda similar i guess

[nimble nova]

It sounds like bmth to me

To one of their albums from 2010

[stiff raptor]

I'm not a huge fan of bmth so i couldnt say!

[nimble nova]

I see

[nimble nova]

Gotta admit the riff and ambience is very good tho

[stiff raptor]

It's alright, i'm kinda burnt out on that sound lol

[nimble nova]

Oh its ok

[stiff raptor]

it's all very similar

[zinc coral]

lol you are bmth

[sullen nymph]

It doesn't create any harshness in the mix

it's bassically a fresh air and Soothe Hybrid

[grand jasper]

wait really?

[grave marlin]

I tried fresh air for all of 5 seconds and hated it

[zinc coral]

Yeah I didn’t like the grass either

[zinc coral]

@stiff raptor a lot of your stuff is quite similar to bmth

[grand jasper]

uh not sure abt this

[stiff raptor]

Mmmm what

I don't ever listen to bring me

[stiff raptor]

Can you give any examples?

[grand jasper]

I feel like he's referring to bmth - suicide season (2008)

Or maybe there is a hell believe me i've seen it (2010)

[stiff raptor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Still doesn't sound much like my mixes or productions

[grand jasper]

idk actually what he meant though

[nimble nova]

I never said he sound like bmth i think

[nimble nova]

I said this song sounds like them in the 2010s

[grand jasper]

i'm talking abt theantimusictheoryguy though

[grand jasper]

dis

[nimble nova]

A

I see now

[grand jasper]

yup

[zinc coral]

sempiternal and thats the spirit imp

[grand jasper]

wha

i don't see any similarities

honestly

[zinc coral]

really?

[grand jasper]

yea

[zinc coral]

this song sounds like bmth imo

[grand jasper]

decided to mix snare differently

it's not as cutting through the mix as my previous works

[zinc coral]

EYYYYY ARPPPPPPP

[grand jasper]

why is this so scooped

in the middle

[zinc coral]

becuse my headphone eq was still on

[grand jasper]

oh

like the eq specifically for your beyerdynamics

i remember you telling that your dt770 sounded very bright

[zinc coral]

yeah haha

i do also just like scooped sound too

i hate high mids

[grand jasper]

my beyerdynamics had a spike in high mids

beyerdynamics custom street

and yeah it sounded like something was drilling through my ears

i'm planning to get a fiio jd10 at least

[zinc coral]

havnent heard of them

ah in ears

[stiff raptor]

i think it needs more room

it sounds good besides that tho

too much close mic imo

[stiff raptor]

don't do this

just get used to your hardware

So you know what it sounds like

[zinc coral]

ah ok

[stiff raptor]

why is basically the entire 3.5k range just missing

there's no bite or aggression to this

it's also lacking low end

[zinc coral]

becuase my headphone eq was on

[stiff raptor]

also the high end sounds fizzly

what's going on with that

[zinc coral]

idk

[stiff raptor]

are you using that plugin you made 😭

[zinc coral]

nope

[stiff raptor]

it sounds like you have soothe or something similar "taming" a ton of frequencies

[zinc coral]

idk

dms

[grave marlin]

So. Thinking of upgrading my interface. Been rocking the scarlet solo 3rd gen for years. Been solid, but I want something better. Haven't been the biggest fan of the overall sound I get through my focusrite. So far the UA Volts, Motu M series, and the SSL 2 series has caught my eye. Anyone got experience with these?

[grand jasper]

but how is it, compared to my previous stuff?

[stiff raptor]

@past shell will hook you up!

[grand jasper]

and i am still sitting on my garbage umc22 lmfao

[stiff raptor]

he knows exact specs of the best ones on the market rn

for the price

[zinc coral]

GeT tHe ApPoLo

[grand jasper]

appololo

[zinc coral]

shit

[grave marlin]

Yeah nawh I don't have Apollo money lmao

[grand jasper]

i'm planning to get a komplete audio 1 someday

but first i need to upgrade my pc

i already have the money for my motherboard

[zinc coral]

who does, 3 grand for an interface is not normal

[grave marlin]

These are all in the 200-300ish range and I wouldn't go much higher than 400 just for my goals lol

[grand jasper]

and i need to get the money for ram

[zinc coral]

yeah same

[grand jasper]

other stuff will be paid by my brother

cpu, coolers

allat stuff

[zinc coral]

ableton needs 64gb

[grand jasper]

and here i am with 8gb

ddr3

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1423772870211010571/1462409262134460558/togif-5.gif

[zinc coral]

cat

[grand jasper]

glup

[grave marlin]

32gb ddr5. Did it way before modern prices so 🙃🙃

[zinc coral]

LUCK BITCH

[grand jasper]

i am actually jealous

my classmate got ddr5 32gb for 13000 RUB

cheap

he's like literal real life version of eric cartman

he has a beefy pc, an iphone and acts like spoiled mofo

https://tenor.com/view/myshka-dragonismgifs-brick-hill-spacebuilder-myshka-violence-gif-24476391

i'm praying for the prices to not go up again because how i need to upgrade my toaster

[zinc coral]

i got my pc 2nd hand from a lighting hire company i worked for

[grand jasper]

my pc was owned by my mother before

[zinc coral]

free c:

[grand jasper]

it had a gt440 in it 😭

i got a gtx1660s though

[grand jasper]

for free

[nimble nova]

@stiff raptorcheck this out i might need ur thoughts on it

pleas

[stiff raptor]

honest critique?

[nimble nova]

Yes ig

A critique that could help me get this better if it needs to

[stiff raptor]

• Snare needs more room/verb to be present, less close mic
• Guitar sounds almost bitcrushed, wayy too much gain
• Guitar sounds like it's interfering with the bass as well, i would reduce the bass in the guitar so the bass is less cluttered
• Drums are overall too quiet, especially the toms

[nimble nova]

Oh wait can i give a mix ref im looking for?

[stiff raptor]

Sure

[nimble nova]

https://open.spotify.com/album/1h6c1vA4nhyfh54NiTxupY?si=xu_5pJZgTCSvnWwJYsIyQg

Im trying to do a mix KINDA similar to this album

From them

@stiff raptor

[stiff raptor]

Ah yeah

the mix there is definitely more minimalist than yours

The guitar is lower gain and the drums are a bit louder

[nimble nova]

I see

Does gain depend on amp?

[stiff raptor]

No, it's the gain knob

Or drive knob

Turn yours down

[nimble nova]

I heard they use fuzz pedal swollen pickle

But im not sure what do they set their gain to

[stiff raptor]

Low, especially if they use fuzz

Fuzz provides alot of that high end crackle, so you don't need to overcompensate by using a ton of drive/gain

[nimble nova]

Ok i'll see once i get on it

[zinc coral]

how are these drums

[grand jasper]

is this periphery pack or something

[past shell]

What for?

What mic, headphones

What are you prioritising

[grave marlin]

General upgrade. I also plan on grabbing a set of monitors and a better mic in the next 2-3 months, but as of right now an audiotechnica at 2035 and audiotechnica closed back headphones. I think older m20xs or something, not home right now to look at the exact model. I also want a second input on the interface

Yeah just googled an image it's those ones.

[grand jasper]

and i am still sitting with hyperx headset

[grave marlin]

Instead of getting a separate gaming headset I just use the audiotechnicas and have my sm57 sitting on a stack of books aimed at me. It works. 😂

[past shell]

For that use any of the above interfaces will be fine. For future proofing I’d recommend the Audient ID14 mkii, but that’s probably overkill. Has an insane headphone output, very low noise, high gain preamps. It also comes with 4 line outputs and 2 headphone inputs which is great for the price, and, ADAT in, which is huge

The SSL2 mkii has better preamps and a decent headphone output but less I/o. no adat is the main drawback

The volt is meh

Audient ID14 mkii, ssl2 mkii and topping e2x2 are the main choices on that price range

[grave marlin]

I've also seen people talking about the audient so now that's definitely on the list. Thanks for the input Ross! I was thinking about a 4 input as well, like you said for future proofing.

[zinc coral]

nope just modern and masive

[grand jasper]

oooh

[zinc coral]

ive been really enjoying it recently

[trim harbor]

I agree with this one, the snare hits are also too far apart

Are you using archetype gojira? @nimble nova

[nimble nova]

No

[trim harbor]

Guitar sounds very similar to that amp

What are you using?

[nimble nova]

Thall amp with a custom ir

[trim harbor]

yeah that makes sense

[nimble nova]

@stiff raptor

lowed gain

and also drums aRE louder

and i leveled up room a bit

[stiff raptor]

Dang

I think the IR you're using sounds kinda weird

but it's better than before

i think the processing on everything needs to dial back a bit

i almost never post stuff here but i gotta post this

@grave marlin check dis

@ruby jay

here it is with my slate fop recreation

[grave marlin]

Sounds incredible man! You could easily make decent money mixing for bands. And, of course, we love the FOP kit. #FOPLives

FOP just always sounds massive

[torn lynx]

I used AD1, V4 Miku, and my Pod X3 pro for this.

Not done with the vocals yet tho

[stiff raptor]

That is currently what i am attempting to do

:D

[torn lynx]

the instrumental without the vocals

V4 looks bad

[torn lynx]

Also, I obtained a copy of AD1 for this which is haha funny cuz its nearly impossible to find now

[grand jasper]

fop is based indeed, but sturgis style mixing is based as well

[grave marlin]

Very based indeed

[ruby jay]

what is the denoiser and reagate doing for the guitars?

[stiff raptor]

denoiser cause my pc has interference with my guitar pickups

regate is... gating?

lol

[ruby jay]

did you record with amp fx printed in the audio?

[stiff raptor]

no?

why lol

[ruby jay]

idk, I thought that's how it was done so that the project is less cpu intensive, my amp sims are really acting up lately, always crashing my projects

I'm really considering switching from neural dsp to lepou or ml sound lab stuff permanently, even for modern stuff

they are just different forms of hard clipping and EQ curves anyway

https://youtu.be/xfLgDzPTENc?si=HPzZPqxbhuUv80gg

interesting stuff, this probably what happens under the hood of these amp sim plugins

[stiff raptor]

You should, lepou just continues to impress me

[stiff raptor]

Jacobra is the best

I confused him with scro for like months

[trim harbor]

I reccomend Borgen AmpKnob, amazing amp sim

[nimble nova]

I love weird irs

[nimble nova]

Im trying not to cuz uh im tryin g to do it kinda processed, more than the ref album

[stiff raptor]

i also love weird irs, but your guitar sounds more like a synth than a guitar

in a messy way

[grand jasper]

Guhh damn it why everyone in my town listens to pop bullshitttt

No metalcore bands 👎

[grand jasper]

Me need moneh xd

[zinc coral]

loll

[zinc coral]

do some pop and rap

they pay alot more

[grand jasper]

I think payments in russia are much smaller than in other countries

So I'd rather work with peeps from US

[flat oar]

what were the samples used here from steven slate? lol

if you dont mind me asking by any chance..

is it like the slate snare itself?

[stiff raptor]

12a, 11, 8, and a few others

[flat oar]

oh damn

[stiff raptor]

but layering the snares isn't gonna get you close to the sound

[flat oar]

whats the main fop sauce?

in that case

[stiff raptor]

the processing

multiband compressor and sidechain the rooms

then process it all together

[flat oar]

ohh

thats cool

[flat oar]

just one drum room track works for this?

[stiff raptor]

no

[flat oar]

i didnt know you ever had ssd xD

[stiff raptor]

?

[flat oar]

steven slate drums

its always kontakt/superior drummer or something

with whoever

[stiff raptor]

ive never used superior

ssd was the first drum plugin i ever had

[grand jasper]

ssd is my pookie

reject modernity embrace tradition

[nimble nova]

Do u know what ir should i try that sounds kinda like that one cuz i rlly liked it

[flat oar]

@stiff raptor

i just spent 2.5 hours working on the mix but also trying your chango ssd sauce lol

sorry for quiet ass intro

[stiff raptor]

so that's ssd?

[flat oar]

lol

yeah

can you tell xD

meh you did it better

[stiff raptor]

this is mine

[stiff raptor]

your whole mix is quiet and smashed

not sure how

[flat oar]

i think my snare drum sounds weak basically

[stiff raptor]

it has this weird "pah" in like the 2k range

[flat oar]

yeah ._.

[stiff raptor]

why is your mix like -8db

what's going on there

[flat oar]

wdym

lufs?

[stiff raptor]

just db

your mix is so quiet

[flat oar]

lel

secret sauce

jk

[stiff raptor]

Look at your waveform

yours is the bottom

What is on your master chain??

genuinely idk how you got it to look like that

[flat oar]

im gatekeeping that secret 🤫

[stiff raptor]

it's not a good thing 🥀

[flat oar]

maximizer n stuff

ssl g bus comp first from waves

[stiff raptor]

yeah get rid of it lol

your ceiling should not be like -15db 😭

post it in #1095986343848448020

[azure gull]

Oh my fault

I thought that’s just like photos etc

[stiff raptor]

ur good

nah

[azure gull]

And music production is like

music

💀

[stiff raptor]

nah this is specifically production

[azure gull]

I feel like I’ve gotten it confused way too many tomes

LMDAO

LMFAO+

[flat oar]

@stiff raptor

yeah the mastering is still a bit too squashed by accident from the maximizer but i got the changoey drums now lel :D hey!

[stiff raptor]

immediately better but still way too quiet

[flat oar]

my side chain was on trackspacer btw lol

[stiff raptor]

you gotta fix this big ol gap

everything is too smashed and quiet

what is your master ceiling set to

[flat oar]

4.5 db is what i made it on ozone myself 💀 LOL

thats all i know

and full on stereo and some upward compression

should be like 3.5 or 2.5 prolly instead

[stiff raptor]

negative four?

or four

[flat oar]

the maximizer u mean right? no, i made it into plus 4.5

[stiff raptor]

Bro what 💀

[flat oar]

thats how the maximizer works on it idek

[stiff raptor]

the master ceiling

the final slider in maximizer

on the far right

[flat oar]

found this on google lol this image

[stiff raptor]

this is the master ceiling

[flat oar]

oh ok

[stiff raptor]

what is that at

[flat oar]

default

[stiff raptor]

so how is your mix so quiet

[flat oar]

0

[stiff raptor]

do you have the master fader set to something?

[flat oar]

i turned it down after my actual master chain with a studio eq HAHAHA

[stiff raptor]

bro what 😭

[flat oar]

😈

[stiff raptor]

i don't think you understand how and when plugins need to be used

[flat oar]

i just have this one friend who always said my mixes were too loud

so i tried to make it approximately spotify volume

LOOOL

[stiff raptor]

That is about -10db quieter than spotify

i dont know how you thought that was spotify volume

[flat oar]

in the last one??

[stiff raptor]

in any of them

[flat oar]

oh yea its 3.4 db quieter than spotify

this is bad ur right

💀

but anyhow my self made chango drums turned out somewhat changoey

[stiff raptor]

i think you are missing a fundamental undertanding of when to use plugins and what they're for, i think for now stick to stock plugins until you are used to those and can get something sounding good out of it!

[flat oar]

yes ser

[stiff raptor]

unofficial homework: mix that song using ONLY stock plugins

besides the obvious like guitar amps and drum vst

no ozone, no external compressors

stock only

[zinc coral]

Reaper stock plugins are so peak

[nimble nova]

Actually i use the stock irs from fl

And they're actually very good

And i think i use stock for everything

Almost

[grave marlin]

Fun fact: There's a free JS plugin called RC Inflator that is a 1:1 of the paid Oxford Inflator. Useful mastering / brightening tool. It zeros out with the paid one. Reaper is peak.

[torn lynx]

https://youtu.be/OG6y9m8fvv0

I have finished it

[south violet]

Anyone got modo drums from ik ? Cuz I recently got them as gift and I wonder if I can make them sound like ggd invasion kit (I am noob in mixing or anything that has to do with drums)

[zinc coral]

Well the only way to do that is by mixing so

Search through the ml snares, see which one you like best

Then just use some basic eq and comp

[grave marlin]

Audio Assault offers the Invicto amp sim based on the Peavey Invective 120 for FREE - Bedroom Producers Blog https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2026/03/13/audio-assault-invicto/

Seems audio assault is giving out their peavy inspired amp sim for free. You gotta have their installer though. Figured the guitarists in the chat may want to check it out.

[stiff raptor]

👀

[trim harbor]

https://www.softube.com/plug-ins/saturation-knob

In case anyone doesn't have it this is one of the best free plugins I've ever used, it's amazing for drums particularly

[stiff raptor]

saturation on drums 👎

It works when you know what you're doing

[past shell]

It can be risky

Thing is, drums are fundamentally transient heavy and the primary idea behind saturation is removing transients

so yeah, it can work if things are to transient heavy, but 99% of the time drums aren't transient heavy enough, espeically unprocessed ones

If your drums are too transient heavy out the box you need to switch to something that is unprocessed

[trim harbor]

Then you add a transient shaper

If there's no transient afterwards

[past shell]

saturation doesn't only reduce transients

it also introduces harmonic distortion

and transient shapers sound very different

Also, why are we removing transients just to add them back?

[trim harbor]

Saturation Knov usually doesn't reduce the transients the point of being inaudible

[past shell]

what

try that sentence again for me if you wouldn't mind

[trim harbor]

Saturation Knob usually doesn't reduce the transients the point of being inaudible

[past shell]

yes it does, same as every other saturation plug

there's no difference

that's just how saturation works

now, saturation can be softer or harder, but the fundamental reason saturation does ANYTHING is by removing transients, that's how saturation works

like i say, i didn't say it's wrong or anything, it's just risky

a good 90% of mixes don't have saturation on drums for this reason

[zinc coral]

the way i found out (and i recomend playing around with this too), grab a square wave on a synth and watch what happens to the wave form as you add saturation. its a bit overkill, but it can be fub to watch

[stiff raptor]

Yep

A nice tube can sound good on a snare body but i rarely hear people do it right

[zinc coral]

i only use sat on snare, kick and room, but even then im using it very carfully on a parrallel

[stiff raptor]

I just don't use it

lol

most i'll do is softclip or waveshape at a very low drive

[zinc coral]

i like the fatness it adds with this

[stiff raptor]

honestly i think the kick sounds quite thin

snare is pretty good tho

[trim harbor]

Kick is dissapearing and I'm not sure why

@zinc coral

[zinc coral]

turn it up and at transients

[trim harbor]

that worked, thanks

[proven falcon]

trying not to be too reluctant with posting my wip stuff in here

[pliant tree]

this is the shit

[proven falcon]

damn, thanks ^^

[vital crest]

Just some random shit i made

[vital crest]

BROO, THIS SHIT IS EPIC

[proven falcon]

thank you sm ^^

[vital crest]

Imo if only drums were little better mixed, it would be perfect

Bc for me, they sound little too "dark"

Give them more highs

[proven falcon]

yeahh thats a problem with my current ssd drums

i dont really know of any free alternatives that have those high end cymbals

[vital crest]

Anyway, lmk when you drop it

[zinc coral]

OH too loud, snare getting burried, not enough room, kick is too quiet, have you double tracked your guitar?

[trim harbor]

wow

[stiff raptor]

baby numbers

[trim harbor]

keep in mind i'm still in the 30 days

I'll get there

[past shell]

god i couldn't imagine my fl / studio one runtimes

[stiff raptor]

LOL

[past shell]

probably a combined year of usage on FL straight

that's what, 9k hours?

yeah

no

something like that

[nimble nova]

How much is that in years 💀

[proven falcon]

approximately 55% of a year, if my calculations are correct

[zinc coral]

i dont use reaper enough 😭

hahahahaha ive had reaper for longer than xenonnn

[grand jasper]

Where can I see this

[vital crest]

I made this in 15 minutes before going school, i did nothing

[grand jasper]

ssd5 or ssd4?

i use ssd4 and it's the goat

[proven falcon]

ssd5 (free)

[grand jasper]

hm

[grave marlin]

That's okay I have nearly 8k hours across counter strikes. We all have our addictions. 😂