Music Production

[nimble nova]

dariacore

[torn lynx]

No clue

Or rather

A "13 yo on the internet" told me my tone sucks and that I should use less plugins

[stiff raptor]

I mean generally you wanna get your sound from as few as possible

[torn lynx]

I know

But I was also doing a tone quest

[stiff raptor]

Well you don't need a million plugins for that

Just EQmatch it

[torn lynx]

No

I mean yes I did that too

But I was really just using Archetype Abasi as the amp sim + the plugins the original artist uses to process his tone. I just copied the settings from a live stream he did

He uses a lot of compression and reactive eq

[torn lynx]

Like these are all things im aware of

But it wasnt like I was using extra plugins that arent related to the original tone

[nimble nova]

bruh

[torn lynx]

What

Why the hell is everyone and their mother getting on my ass about what I do in my free time

[nimble nova]

no im just sharing smth and people ignoring thanks to this useless convo

[torn lynx]

Oh

Okay carry on

Mb

[stiff raptor]

Twin

Its not that deep

I was just chatting with u lol

It does sound kinda over compressed but I'm listening on phone speakers so i cant say more than that til i listen in my studio

[ruby jay]

noice, what ezx/sdx did u use for this?

[nimble nova]

death metal ezx

[ruby jay]

ooh I have that one, I didn't know I could make them sound that way

[nimble nova]

just tried different kick and snare shells and mixed them a bit

[ruby jay]

so the shells are from the same pack or external samples?

[nimble nova]

the same pack

everything is death metal ezx iirc

theres no external sample

[ruby jay]

ook, have u mixed them in a song context yet?

[nimble nova]

not yet

i'll try it later

[ruby jay]

that's usually the challenging part, I wish u good luck

[torn lynx]

Yeah mb, I was just pressed about that kid

[torn lynx]

That is the point I think. You should listen to the og artist as well

[torn lynx]

I love death metal ezx, I use it for a lot of slam stuff.

[nimble nova]

Yes its cool

[nimble nova]

whats slam

[torn lynx]

A genre of metal that uses really high tuned pingy snares, like think St.Anger but worse and the songs are typically pretty short

[torn lynx]

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=lV9GNNES_p4&si=kp_AQhn1Q_bW4BmH

Thats sort of an example, I dont listen to it a lot but its fun to play

[torn lynx]

Yeah exactly!

[stiff raptor]

Deathcore but less variety

LOL

[torn lynx]

thats a good explanation

[stiff raptor]

Deathcore is kinda varied to where there's lows and highs in a song, lots of dynamics and drops

But slam is like

consistent the whole time

Not much dynamics

[torn lynx]

I think my style takes a lot of inspiration from deathcore, slam, and goregrind

[stiff raptor]

wall of noise core lol

[torn lynx]

and djent

[stiff raptor]

I like risecore

Lol

[torn lynx]

whats that

[stiff raptor]

Metalcore and post hardcore from 2007-2014

It's not really a genre but it's an era

Lots of stuff very scene-inspired

Electronicore, synth influence

But lots of riffs, 578 stuff, and breakdowns

Crabcore but matured into a more refined sound

Old woe is me, stuff like that

My favorite type of metal ever

I like most metal but risecore is my genre

[torn lynx]

oh interesting

any specific artists?

[stiff raptor]

Yeah lemme get some links

https://youtu.be/3Mw0qhQ3Aec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9K0FHrUr10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfh9jov2HLQ

PEAK I SAY!!!!

[torn lynx]

ohh u said it here lol

oh yeah this is peak

[stiff raptor]

I dont think i have autism but this music is my hyperfixation

[torn lynx]

this is a thing I made a while ago that I think is a good example of my style and the music I write

[torn lynx]

real

[stiff raptor]

I'd listen to it if i was in my studio

Currently at church

Ill check it in a few hrs

[stiff raptor]

Anime pornogrind 😭 LOL

[torn lynx]

ah, yeah not the place lol

[torn lynx]

its an actual genre

[stiff raptor]

😭😭

Wild

I know @glad coyote has stuff to say about that

[torn lynx]

this album has a good array of artists in the genre

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mDUAr46c5uf-ZRBXV2PlZP17vdZvDYZk4&si=fef5G3tVzQar7P0l

there we go

[nimble nova]

oh

do u have a list

i always wanted to hear more that type of metalcore and posthardcore

[stiff raptor]

Do i

Do i

Let me hook you up

[nimble nova]

wow

the rawness makes it sound cool ngl

[torn lynx]

yah!

[nimble nova]

i listen raw stuff

[torn lynx]

I maybe have someone who will do vocals at some point but thats still pending

[nimble nova]

like 90's slowcore

so im used to these stuff

[stiff raptor]

@nimble nova

Check out these albums

[nimble nova]

k

[stiff raptor]

k

[torn lynx]

why is there just a core genre for every word

[nimble nova]

k is my form to say ok lol

[stiff raptor]

Started with hardcore punk

Now people just add core for fun

Metalcore is metal x hardcore punk

Used to be called metallic hardcore

[torn lynx]

I know that

ah

[stiff raptor]

LOL

[nimble nova]

metalcore, crabcore, risecore, grindcore, dariacore (not metal btw), hardcore, hardcore beatdown, mathcore,

guys help me list every core genre

[torn lynx]

oh god

[trim harbor]

This list is longer than Epstein's

[torn lynx]

epsteincore

I hope that never becomes a genre

but I fear it may

[glad coyote]

Only 1 good band in thus split 🥀

[torn lynx]

which one

[glad coyote]

DIW

Ive heard the full split

Personally do not like pornogrind at all

My friends annoying ex liked ycrf so they’re bad

[torn lynx]

ah, thats fair

[trim harbor]

Lostprophets? 😂

[torn lynx]

I just like it cuz its really funny that the one band named UwU is a goregrind band

[torn lynx]

oop

it is true I fear

[torn lynx]

thats not the only reason, its also cuz Im an edgy teen on the internet but yk

[nimble nova]

@ruby jay

some progress on the mix

[grand jasper]

testing some jst stuff

[zinc coral]

i was doing the exact same thing

the only reason it got heated is becuase you got cocky

[grand jasper]

what is this nonsense

[zinc coral]

i dont know

but its fun tbh

[zinc coral]

sound like its ducking a bit to much

[grand jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-dance-ducky-duck-jump-trampoline-jump-trampoline-gif-16576216314212541959

[zinc coral]

your guitars rn:

guys where did spitfire labs go

i added a turn signal

[zinc coral]

thats what they all say

[trim harbor]

@stiff raptor I just saw this LMAOOOO

I still have a screenshot is this exact conversation 😭

[stiff raptor]

That's awesome

[zinc coral]

what was it lol

[stiff raptor]

Total insanity

His drummer said he'd quit if he couldnt record real drums

So they used a phone

To mic it

😭

[zinc coral]

OH YEAH THAT GUY

[trim harbor]

He made a reel about a conversation he had with me

[zinc coral]

oh that was you

[stiff raptor]

I hope you don't mind, i try to anonymize it

I actually have someone else running my socials so I'm not on there much

[trim harbor]

Oh not at all, I think it's funny af

[stiff raptor]

Ok cool

[trim harbor]

It was just weird opening IG and hearing someone talk about me

[zinc coral]

lol

i just went to type somthing and forgot i had musical typing armed and i got jumpscared

[torn lynx]

I suppose I was a bit rude

I do apologize for that

but I will say if I want feedback I will post in the feedback requests channel

[stiff raptor]

Valid

[nimble nova]

Feedback pls

[torn lynx]

it sounds pretty good, I think you could layer something on the snare

this is a sample I use a lot

I also use this on my kick sometimes but your kick sounds great

wrong one

this one

[nimble nova]

hm ok

actually can go hard

[torn lynx]

yeah

I have some other samples as well

[nimble nova]

was thinking of using this one

[torn lynx]

I recognize that

what snare is that

also it sounds awesome

[nimble nova]

its a layer

[torn lynx]

ah

[torn lynx]

but I mean what is the base snare

[nimble nova]

idk where did i find it but its in this zip i have in my computer

[torn lynx]

kk

[torn lynx]

I do something you might could do, this is my current SD3 kit. All my triggers + an extra kick and snare are on the left side as extra instruments.

[nimble nova]

Idk how to add them tho

[torn lynx]

drag and drop the wav sample and there will be a pop up. pick add instrument

do you have the standalone?

[nimble nova]

Ye

[torn lynx]

there's a more complicated process for adding extra kit pieces and mapping them to the proper channels but I can explain that if you want

[torn lynx]

okay good, its easier to edit the kit in the standalone imo

[nimble nova]

Can i send them to a channel in the mixer

[torn lynx]

you can

so go to the mixer

and it should have its own channel

there's a little dropdown button, hit that and select route instrument microphones

if you want to add extra kit pieces you do the same thing. you just have to figure out what the proper channels are, like the snare top and bottom mics, the hihat mics, etc

And there will be a lot of level adjusting to do if you add kit pieces from other expansions or if you are adding samples.

oh also

[nimble nova]

Well i sometimes blend kits

[torn lynx]

if you want to layer a sample on an instrument, or layer two instruments its a slightly different process

[nimble nova]

I think i have a song that is rock foundry sdx but blends metal ezx kick, with death metal ezx china and splash (rock foundry doesnt have these spots)

Here

Also harmonic minor riffs

One of the coolest scales in metal imo

[stiff raptor]

that snare rules im ngl

[stiff raptor]

harmonic minor needs to make a comback in mainstream metal

[torn lynx]

for samples drag to the instrument and it should say "add stack", just hit import and thats it. for stacking instruments, tap the instrument and at the top hit more. then there's options under "stack". thats all I have to explain

[nimble nova]

Does that mean it cool

[stiff raptor]

yes

i like the snare

[nimble nova]

Btw @torn lynx

Here is the kit i mentioned

[torn lynx]

I use the ludwig black beauty snare from ezx bright room in the cast iron blast kit for slam

[nimble nova]

Yes i actually used a rock kit for a metal song 🙏

[stiff raptor]

nothin wrong with that

[nimble nova]

Oh

I thought there was going to be smth wrong

[stiff raptor]

do whatever you want bro

[torn lynx]

I like it

[nimble nova]

True

Give this man a true

[torn lynx]

I can show you what my kit sounds like if you want

[nimble nova]

Suee

Sure

[torn lynx]

hang on

okay this is my kit

I had to mess with the mix a bit b/c its the one I was having latency issues with

oh wait

oops

thats better

it didnt export the whole song

[nimble nova]

Pretty cool kit

I like this guitar tone

I want to have a real guitar so badly

🙏 🙏

[torn lynx]

yeah Im proud of that tone!

[nimble nova]

This sounds awesome

[torn lynx]

you can do a lot with Odin iii

[torn lynx]

thx

!

[nimble nova]

U used odin 3?

[torn lynx]

no, Im just saying you could use it

[nimble nova]

Hm i see

I used odin 2 in these songs i sent

[torn lynx]

sick!

I thought it was a vst guitar

[nimble nova]

I like odin 2 tone more than 3

[torn lynx]

i did this with Odin III

[nimble nova]

Give me this tone wtf

Its awesome

It sounds like mick gordon

[torn lynx]

its the base tone with processing

[nimble nova]

Tell ursecrets 🙏

[torn lynx]

its the same processing I used on that other tone

[nimble nova]

Idk how to do it tho

[torn lynx]

wdym?

[nimble nova]

That tone

[torn lynx]

i can show you the settings and the plugins i used

[nimble nova]

Hm ok, in dms ig

Or here

[torn lynx]

its a bunch of screenshots so dms

[nimble nova]

This one's old

@stiff raptor u might like this its inspired in some 2000s metalcore

[stiff raptor]

not bad, but i like real guitar :O

drums sound pretty good tho

[nimble nova]

I wish

[stiff raptor]

you can get some good starter guitars for like $100 from harley benton

[zinc coral]

I have never used a midi guitar

Are they good?

[zinc coral]

guitar store employees trembling in anger

[zinc coral]

"elitist ass response"

[torn lynx]

What

[torn lynx]

:/

[zinc coral]

song for our drummer cuz he is moving schools and leaving the band

[azure gull]

Idek if it’s the right channel I assume so but. I feel like the tail of the riff could be better or maybe a continuation from it any ideas Mayhaps?

[stiff raptor]

#1095986343848448020

[azure gull]

THANK U

[stiff raptor]

haha

[azure gull]

do I leave it here or delete it?

[stiff raptor]

whatev

[azure gull]

I keep makin that mistake sob

[zinc coral]

@trim harbor this is the friendship you should have with your drummer 🤣

[nimble nova]

Who did the drums

/j

[zinc coral]

that broke my brain

lol

MIDI POWER

[nimble nova]

🙏

Fire song

[nimble nova]

Wait tho, what drums

[zinc coral]

modern and massive

[nimble nova]

Cool

Theyre peak

[torn lynx]

This is great

Synthwave remix Im gonna work on with my vocalist

[zinc coral]

But why

@stiff raptor what do you think of arch gojira

[past shell]

Blue screens are typically a ram thing i've found

Or like, SSD

What specs have you got

[stiff raptor]

Mid

I never really liked the tones i got from the amps or the default IRs

They're probably perfectly usable just not my thing at all

The pitch shifter and other pedal fx are pretty good tho

[torn lynx]

L

[nimble nova]

Happens to me sometimes

[grave marlin]

That specific error has to do with memory access problems. Basically you have a faulty driver, you overclocked your RAM too high (or it's just dying of old age), or you have corrupted system files trying to access memory somewhere. The most likely thing is some shit driver or too high ram overclocking if you did overclock your RAM.

[nimble nova]

Ion have that problem atleast but

It happens this to me

The audio clips like this

When i put cpu intesive stuff like amps

Cabs

[grand jasper]

Dang i really like jst heat

[grave marlin]

What did you use it on? Specific instruments or like on the master overall? I tried JST Extra Spice which is a stripped down version of Heat on vocals and didn't like it very much. Also the track sounds sick. Very energetic. Enjoy the guitar tone.

[grand jasper]

drums, guitars, bass, master

for the tone itself i used pod farm

[stiff raptor]

based podfarm user

[grand jasper]

i also got my hands on andrew wade bus glue and i like it so much

[grave marlin]

Very nice. I just use the SSL 4000 G for most bus / master processing. Shits like the magic school bus, takes your shit where it needs to go. 😂 But I also heard and watched videos on the JST bus glues and they all sound nice.

[grand jasper]

before this plugin i used pro-c 2 with groovy glue preset on mix bus

with ott

[nimble nova]

Feedback on this one?

[torn lynx]

I remade the thing I was recording with my POD X3 and minimal processing as was suggested. It now sounds like something from an older vocaloid metal album

no latency but instead audio dropping out completely at random times. It is quite unfortunate the POD X3 drivers are outdated now

[grand jasper]

recorded intro verse part with real guitar at 12 am (though i stitched everything hardly but let's not talk about it xd)

[grand jasper]

first time making delayed clean guitar parts

[grand jasper]

@stiff raptor

[stiff raptor]

Thats sick

[grand jasper]

Using ssd4 as well

Snare 11a

[stiff raptor]

Based

[grand jasper]

I keep forgetting how much stems does vesta collide seven have

[grand jasper]

I just love the jst heat snare magic preset

[grand jasper]

I like my waveform sausagy bruh

[stiff raptor]

Clipping +0 but zero clips is so funny

[grand jasper]

I just crank up Pro-L 2 until the loudness just stops rising

[stiff raptor]

Ha

[grand jasper]

My master only has JST Heat for saturation and Pro-L for loudness

[zinc coral]

my mastering chain crashes my computer

[grand jasper]

Magic

[trim harbor]

My master chain is "TURN THE F**KING VOLUME UP"

[zinc coral]

made this?

[zinc coral]

you should look into mastering a bit more

and maybe

recording as well

[trim harbor]

Frankly I haven't finished a track well enough to get there

[torn lynx]

Ive never met someone who uses .flac files

I used to, I typically rip CDs to .flac

[torn lynx]

Nice bass tone

[stiff raptor]

how much of this is loops?

[torn lynx]

I like this bass tone

I made it on my pod, it has the same response as Fieldy's tone but its more distorted.

[stiff raptor]

pod farm or physical po

d

[torn lynx]

I was gonna ask

[torn lynx]

Physical

[stiff raptor]

cool

[torn lynx]

Pod X3 pro

[stiff raptor]

I like it

[torn lynx]

Thx

Im not good at bass but I'm good at sound design.

In my humble opinion at least

[zinc coral]

most of it, i just couldnt be bothered to write anything today, it was more practice on how i should arrange techno and what sounds cool

[torn lynx]

I thought it was

[torn lynx]

Btw bro

[zinc coral]

hi

[stiff raptor]

the arrangement is cool but you should try makinf the synth parts yourself instead of using loops

or at least chop up and pitch the loops around so you aren't just using them exactly as is

[torn lynx]

U probably shouldn't offer free mixing and mastering, and also have a bio that says "fuck off leave me alone"

Not really good marketing

[stiff raptor]

did someone say sound design? 😳

[zinc coral]

yeah, i rarley ever use loops i was just messing around with sounds

i struggle with over complicating stuff

[torn lynx]

I think thats the right word? Im good at making things sound different in ways that I like

[stiff raptor]

ohhh

i thought you meant like

[torn lynx]

Is sound design just synths?

[stiff raptor]

using synths

yeah pretty much

[torn lynx]

Ohhhh

[zinc coral]

wait is that still there lol

[stiff raptor]

i think you mean tone crafting?

[torn lynx]

Guitar, bass, drums, synths, etc

Im good at making them sound cool

[stiff raptor]

valid

[torn lynx]

And then making them fit together in really interesting ways

[stiff raptor]

id hope every producer thinks that about themselves

LOL

[torn lynx]

Ike Im not good at individual things but Imo I can fill a song out and make it sound nice when I want to

[stiff raptor]

ahh

[torn lynx]

I just try to be positive, cuz even though Im still learning Im doing stuff that I enjoy with what I know

[grave marlin]

My master chain is the pultec EQ trio from UA because they make everything sound good, the SSL G 4000 bus compressor for final glue, the S1 stereo shuffler for widening and bass boom, and the Waves L2 for final limiting loudness. All minimally touching the sound in their own way.

[stiff raptor]

based

[grave marlin]

I see the mastering chain as the dash of parmesan cheese on top of a delicious meatball sandwich. 98% of the goodness is in the meat, provolone, and the homemade toasted roll, but that last 2% just brings it all together.

Also im hungry

[stiff raptor]

LMAO

[zinc coral]

LOL

[grand jasper]

that's just eurobass iii with stock distortion in it

I actually had a soviet bass guitar

[grand jasper]

how can I make the bass like in smokahontas' synth break?

https://youtu.be/OG-RNq7oRUM?t=191

[nimble nova]

even tried recreating it mixwise 🙏

[grand jasper]

What is that bass

It's too loud imo

[nimble nova]

bass?

[grand jasper]

Yeah

[nimble nova]

i'll try to lower it a bit

[grand jasper]

What are you using for bass btw

[nimble nova]

mayobass from solemn tones

[grand jasper]

Hm

[nimble nova]

its a vst

[grand jasper]

I use eurobass iii everywhere

[grand jasper]

Also djinnbass sometimes

And lokibass

[nimble nova]

is this better?

[nimble nova]

i have loki bass

i use it for modern stuff only though

[nimble nova]

@grand jasper

[grand jasper]

Yea it's better

I also add pro-mb after bass on low frequencies

Your drums really remind me of Suicide Silence's The Cleansing

[nimble nova]

idk i never heard it

i always stick to some songs

i dont rlly explore further

[nimble nova]

is that necessary?

[grand jasper]

Idk

[grand jasper]

I just have this habit

[nimble nova]

it sounds like this with pro mb

[nimble nova]

i see

[torn lynx]

Oh cool

Those are usually really badly set up though

[grand jasper]

Yeah it didn't even work lol

[torn lynx]

Yeah, I want a Kiesel bass

[grand jasper]

I'd like to have a dingwall

[zinc coral]

lol

[torn lynx]

Me too

[torn lynx]

No thanks

Aren't u like

13

[stiff raptor]

it's forwarded

he shoudlve screenshotted the msg lol

[torn lynx]

I wonder what it was in response to in the first place

[zinc coral]

LOL NO, im saying it was stupid

[torn lynx]

Oh wait was it someone else's message?

[zinc coral]

yeah haha

[torn lynx]

Ohhhhh

[zinc coral]

no, even i wouldnt say

that

thats impossible false hope

[torn lynx]

Ah

[grand jasper]

i forgot that i had a project that was larping a 2009 style metalcore lol

[zinc coral]

Pissing off everyone in the chat

[grand jasper]

Whats this

[zinc coral]

Headphone jack

It went shit

So I snapped it

[trim harbor]

New genre, ARGENT HOUSE

@stiff raptor what are we thinking lol

[stiff raptor]

Not sure how i feel about it lol

[torn lynx]

I personally dont like it

[nimble nova]

Reminds me of metalstep

Dubstep + metal

Mirar = dubstep + metal

[zinc coral]

thank you i was confused

big world out there

[grand jasper]

What is code pandorum + mirar then

[nimble nova]

Idk what code pandorum is

Also i said that jokingly lowk

Ott is goated

[nimble nova]

https://youtu.be/WdKvB_mkmBE?si=0dLMMD1bOll47ecP

Ooo

This

Is peak lowk

[stiff raptor]

lil drum test with some drumforge stuff

[grand jasper]

siiix feeet under the earth
this waaay you'll resiiiide

[stiff raptor]

ITS TIIIIIIME

[grand jasper]

to see

what bastard you've become

[stiff raptor]

and i knoowww ur father didnt

make you this way

LOL

[grand jasper]

the apple doesn't fall far from the tree

[ruby jay]

drumforge sampler stuff?

[stiff raptor]

drumforge kontakt nkis

[grand jasper]

i only have samples from sturgis, wanasek, lever and some more

[stiff raptor]

these are from the cameron mizell pack

[grand jasper]

and actually also some nkis from mizell pack

[stiff raptor]

also mixed on headphones so it might be a little weird

im at the point where im starting to trust my monitors more than my headphones

[grand jasper]

dang

i never had monitors

only headphones

[stiff raptor]

yeah kick sounds fine on my cans but sounds weird on my monitors

[stiff raptor]

definitely worth it

[grand jasper]

i use my mom's hyperx headphones for literally everything 😭

[stiff raptor]

no way 😭

[grand jasper]

yeah

but yeah I'd like to have monitors

[torn lynx]

I really only use my monitors when Im wrapping a track up

Ill do everything on headphones and then mix on monitors and then copy it to my phone to play in the car and on a couple Bluetooth speakers just to make sure it all fits together

[grand jasper]

I really need to do something with my computer lol

The noise it makes is terrible

[nimble nova]

i usually mix and master my songs in headphones, and after that i hear in another different type of headphones and in my speakers to figure if everything is ok

[trim harbor]

I feel like this is the best thing i've done

@stiff raptor thoughts?

[stiff raptor]

honest opinion?

[trim harbor]

yeah

[stiff raptor]

Kick is almost completely inaudible

Guitar is also pretty off time

And i think if you're covering this song, you're hitting the wrong notes

[trim harbor]

what does that mean?

[stiff raptor]

This is more of a theory thing, but the guitar should not be following the melody there unless it's a lead

you should be hitting the root notes on that rhythm part

Following the same notes that the synth lead is playing sounds very awkward and changes the chords of the song

[trim harbor]

i kinda know this means but I have no idea how to implement it

also this was my first time using reaper btw

[trim harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg1aiO1RaT4

we got some good stuff here

[grave marlin]

Sounds sick! God I miss the old Woe Is Me era. Got me feeling like I need to do a cover now.

[stiff raptor]

do it

I also improved those drums a bit

swapped out the snare for one that sounded a bit more natural

kick is less boomy as well

[grave marlin]

Okay fine you convinced me. 😂 Tyler was always a favorite of mine to sing.

[stiff raptor]

Tyler was sooo goated when he wasn't grooming people 😭

[grave marlin]

And yes that snare feels much more natural. And absolute facts. A friend of mine knew him in those days and always said he was weird. Lmao

[zinc coral]

sorry what

[zinc coral]

deep sigh

there is alot to fix here, that guitar tone needs ALOT of of work, that snare needs WAY MORE bottom snare

guitar is the wrong chords

kick doesnt exist

master chain has no high end at all

[trim harbor]

I ended up bringing it up in the mix

[zinc coral]

snare is tooo ponky

[trim harbor]

Ok so turn the gain down on my eq for that band

[zinc coral]

alot

[stiff raptor]

no need to come off like that lol

[zinc coral]

true, mb

[trim harbor]

Nah you're good

[zinc coral]

@stiff raptor help

why does this suck

i cant get the drums good

[trim harbor]

good god

[stiff raptor]

Snare kinda sounds like it needs way more room and the kick sounds too boomy

curious where you got these multitracks

[lavish tinsel]

how do you guys go about writing riffs? like i hear mine and the song itself sounds fine, but the riffs just sound bad. like this for example

[stiff raptor]

Well first of all that lead synth is pretty loud compared to the rest of the mix

The riffs sound fine to me

and also the acoustic and electronic drums seem to be fighting eachother for space

the dubstep part near the end also just sounds louder than everything else

Pretty much everything in your mix is fighting for space

i would bring everything down and readjust your balance

[zinc coral]

Nvm

Nail the mix*

[trim harbor]

Do they give you dry or wet stems?

I'm kinda curious ngl

[torn lynx]

https://youtu.be/H8V8sikb_cg

I mixed it better and reuploaded it

[zinc coral]

dry

[zinc coral]

i can send them to you if you want

[stiff raptor]

@grave marlin

bouta export giants

[grave marlin]

That sounds insane, damn near 1:1 to the original. Im gonna have fun with them vox 😄

[stiff raptor]

thank you!! it's a culmination of like 2 years of searching for samples, secrets, and amps

[stiff raptor]

here u go

[grave marlin]

It 300% paid off

[zinc coral]

god damn whats this

[grave marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/listening-to-music-jerry-cute-music-gif-8009185

Genuinely had me like

[stiff raptor]

recreation of a song from my fav album

[zinc coral]

who?

[stiff raptor]

Jamie's Elsewhere

song is Giants Among Common Men

[zinc coral]

ahh

[grave marlin]

Ima lay down some vox over it and upload it soon™

[zinc coral]

i dont even know the song but i cant wait to hear this

i like this mix

vocals arnt exactly done yet

[stiff raptor]

yesssirrrr

[stiff raptor]

drums sound a bit odd, i think too scooped

@grave marlin

DUDE

So i posted that Giants cover in the chango studios group

!!!!

[grave marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

Bros making connections. Thats fucking sick man. It does genuinely sound amazing.

The actual Mizell himself. Hats off bro.

[stiff raptor]

Im floored actually

[grave marlin]

That 2 year quest definitely paid off haha

[stiff raptor]

LOL yes dude

I'm hoping this comes to fruition

And we make a banger or smth

[stiff raptor]

Whenever you post your cover, i'll send that version to him as well

[grave marlin]

That'd be absolutely sick man. I'll work on this over the week

[trim harbor]

HOLY CRAP

Congratulations

I remember you said he was your biggest inspiration

[zinc coral]

aint no way

congrats dude

[grand jasper]

Yoooo

So I started to use ggd stuff recently

I really actually like the piv and some okw stuff like architects and brutal

[zinc coral]

they are good but they are all too nolly lite imo

[grand jasper]

Just tryin out more modern stuff

[zinc coral]

they are super obveos

wow spelling

i just dont like how they are pre processed

[grand jasper]

PIV is easy to mix imo - I just eq and distort snare, bring jst heat on toms, compress the room and use JST BG AW-Drums on entire drum bus

Eh at least it's not like odeholm drums

(ew)

[zinc coral]

true

i use m&m

nice and dry

[grand jasper]

Idk too lazy to mix them

[zinc coral]

fair

[grand jasper]

Ssd4 still takes the crown

[zinc coral]

fuckin caps lock

[zinc coral]

never used it before

[grand jasper]

Sturgis used it

If the plugin is used by sturgis, then it's used by me as well

[zinc coral]

i dont get the whole thing about him

he issnt that good imo

[grand jasper]

Why

He shaped the early 2010s metalcore

[zinc coral]

meh

[grand jasper]

What's your fav producer

[zinc coral]

sam guiana

[grand jasper]

Hmm, never heard of him before

What stuff did he produce

[zinc coral]

silverstein, holding absense, intervals

[grand jasper]

Mmkay

[zinc coral]

he issnt super big i dont blame you lol

[grand jasper]

Well I'm more of a crabcore/electronicore guy so uhhh

I just like sturgis stuff yk

[zinc coral]

or lance prenc

[grand jasper]

And mizell as well

[zinc coral]

yeah fair, i just never saw the huge thing about jst, his mixes just arnt that cool

[grand jasper]

I still don't understand how he made his drums

The jst bus glue plugins are great btw, especially AW series

[grand jasper]

Using them on everything now

[zinc coral]

squiggly boi

[grand jasper]

and I'm currently at school

I have an idea in my head for a track

[nimble nova]

I always use jst bg drums

They are so sick

I never heard sturgis mixes

But his plugins are awesome

[grave marlin]

Dude basically created the modern metalcore sound over the course of the mid to late 2000s and early 2010s.
"Idk his mixes aren't that cool."
Sometimes you say wild things.

[grand jasper]

BG consists of Sturgis stuff, Andrew Wade stuff and Joel Wanasek stuff. Personally I think that the best is Wade's BG

[stiff raptor]

This guy💀

[zinc coral]

I mean whenever I have heard them they are just kinda meh. They aren’t bad, I just don’t find them that interesting

[grave marlin]

https://youtu.be/ILH7Gm0AdB8?si=YBBq-QhaH7Rme3YO

This is my favorite Sturgis production. Listen to this, it should change your mind. The scene genuinely suffered not having this band actually release a debut.

[zinc coral]

yeah the mix is cool, again just not my fav

[nimble nova]

Will putney is my favourite producer personally

[stiff raptor]

he's pretty good

[zinc coral]

mine is probably dan bruinstein

[zinc coral]

i got my first paidd mix todayyy

yippiieee

[pliant tree]

i was listening to this song and i was like, this sounds like a killswitch song... and its literally a copy of a killswitch song 💀

killswitch if their mixing was complete ass

its not 1 to 1 but its straight up copying bits and pieces, composition wise its a little different and more boring

this is not the first time this artist had blatantly copied stuff

💀

[pliant tree]

these just arent even inspiration at this point, right? this is just stealing

prechorus is identical

[pliant tree]

this

[stiff raptor]

Is this ai lol

[grave marlin]

Seems like someone's Sunoing songs based on those bands

[stiff raptor]

Yeah facts

[gusty drum]

https://open.spotify.com/album/63s4FxBYOeluaIRg24KBzu?si=LECK217JSeiDN_92ZK8_uA

[grand jasper]

for how much

[zinc coral]

40

only 2 stems

[grand jasper]

dang

[zinc coral]

im still counting it though

[grand jasper]

I'd really like to start mixing for money but I live in russia and can't get payments from other countries

Also nobody listens to metalcore in my shithole xd

[zinc coral]

awh

this is what i sent him

shit music but its a good first project

defult bandlab beat haha

[grand jasper]

Maybe I could get payments from mixing music online but idk how to do it

[zinc coral]

i just use discord

[grand jasper]

Hm

I actually think I need to make a site for my mixing services

[pliant tree]

idk but the way some of this guys newer songs are written i wouldnt be surprised if they are like using ai to compose and just like record over it

they sound lifeless af

[zinc coral]

im making one rn

[grand jasper]

I wanna make a site in some skeuomorphic style

[stiff raptor]

based

like mine

[grand jasper]

Hi xenon

[stiff raptor]

yes

hi

[zinc coral]

hi

JuSt UsE gO DaDdy

[grand jasper]

Wut

[zinc coral]

ok, i should classify that was a joke before xenon fucking blasts me

i just got new headphones

and listened to one of mixes

it is litterally only transient

[grand jasper]

Which headphones did you get

I'm thinking about getting IEMs or over ear headphones

[zinc coral]

Beyerdynamic DT770 pro

[grand jasper]

Yoooo

[zinc coral]

they feel like clouds

[grand jasper]

I only have beyerdynamic custom street rn

From my older brother

[zinc coral]

nice

i had M audio HDH40s

Absolutley horrible

[grand jasper]

I'm mixing stuff with my mother's hyperx headphones lololol

[zinc coral]

loolll. i like them

good for gaming

[grand jasper]

They're old already, something's bobbing inside the right ear

I want to get ath-m50x

[zinc coral]

god, you should have seen the amount of harmonic distortion on my old headphones

[grand jasper]

I have a midi keyboard from M-Audio but I don't use it frequently because it's not comfortable to play on while it's on table

I need to get a stand

The keys are already yellowing lol

[grave marlin]

I have older audiotechnicas. The M20x model. They're decent for tracking but they lie when mixing

[trim harbor]

koss ksc75's are only 20 bucks and they're amazing

[torn lynx]

I use this, I got it for free from my previous Orchestra teacher

[digital blade]

Nice

[torn lynx]

yah

[grand jasper]

My brother had koss porta pro but my sister broke it

It's now much more expensive than before

[zinc coral]

god vitamin is a life savere

@stiff raptor Is this too dark? my new headphones are SUPER bright

[stiff raptor]

extremely too dark lol yeah

bass takes over the entire mix

[zinc coral]

thought so

[torn lynx]

drums for a cover

[grand jasper]

i like square wavetables

[nimble nova]

Whats electronicore

[grand jasper]

Metalcore + electronic stuff

[torn lynx]

I got this set up for recording some stuff

[torn lynx]

Its glorpy

[zinc coral]

Damn you doing it with tape?

[torn lynx]

Occasionally, for the sound

I have a couple tape recorders, I havent used that one since moving last year and I think it needs lubricant. I was able to play back but not record. Theres issues with the reels spinning

[zinc coral]

Never even seen a tape irl

[torn lynx]

L

I was given it from a friend who was a reporter of some sort and used it to record interviews

[zinc coral]

lol

[grand jasper]

i was too lazy to record my guitar

[grand jasper]

Shpookeh

[grand jasper]

does anyone have stems to mix

[slow haven]

Can you send a screenie of your guitar bus chain? I love how much your guitars slam for the chugs

[grand jasper]

pod farm:
overdrive (drive 0, everything else is maxed out) -> line6 big bottom and its cab with 0 room, compressor, eq with dip at the low frequencies
after that i use pro-q to remove low end mud and high end fizz and pro-mb on the 150hz chug area

i have the preset for pod farm actually

lemme send it rn

[slow haven]

OK

[grand jasper]

there it is

[slow haven]

Thank you my guy

This is much appreciated

[grand jasper]

i gotta rerecord this with real guitar later

[trim harbor]

ah nevermind i'll just look it up

[stiff raptor]

@trim harbor

it's pinned in feedback

[zinc coral]

ADTR That you?

[grand jasper]

i see stars 3d

[zinc coral]

I wanna write a song with someone

I’m a lonely fuck when it comes to writing haha

[grand jasper]

Hmm what if I will try to mix your stems

[zinc coral]

you can if you want, ill have to export them first

[grand jasper]

lets go

[zinc coral]

imma write a whole new song for fun

[nimble nova]

i suck at songwriting ngl

knocked loosey

[zinc coral]

i fucking love that guitar tone

snare not so much

[zinc coral]

@stiff raptor @lavish tinsel Kontakt drum routing problem

converse

goodbye

[lavish tinsel]

.

[zinc coral]

lol sorry, talk to xenon he knows more than me

[lavish tinsel]

yh cos u know nothing

u bufoon

[nimble nova]

Im doing a stupid sounding snare

[zinc coral]

yeah kinda

[lavish tinsel]

yh exactly

go back to andys prehistoric adventures and stop telling me how to mix when u clearly have 0 idea what ur doing

leave it to the adults BUD

[zinc coral]

bitch wha

[stiff raptor]

What is the problem

[zinc coral]

kontakt routing

[stiff raptor]

Yeah what is the problem

What is the issue

[zinc coral]

i actually dont know tbh, he said he cant route the differnt drum parts

[zinc coral]

get yo ass back here, i am not letting you become me

[zinc coral]

sent that

[stiff raptor]

It's a pretty clear guide, you can't really mess it up unless you are doing something weird

[zinc coral]

sorry if it was a random ping haha, you were just the first person that came to mind

[grand jasper]

i actually thought the routing in kontakt 8 was much harder than it is

[zinc coral]

yeah i use 7

[grand jasper]

i'm a kontakt 8 guy xd

[stiff raptor]

lol I use kontakt 5

[grand jasper]

dang

[zinc coral]

hahaha

i only upated to 8 when i got djinn bass

[grand jasper]

i remember using kontakt 5 before allat

2023 was a wonderful year

[zinc coral]

haha

[nimble nova]

I want to do something original with it

[zinc coral]

fair enough

[nimble nova]

I want it to have like some kind of ringy character and a edm robotic ass sound lmao

[zinc coral]

my snares are basic af lol

[nimble nova]

Mines too usually

Im just trying out triggers in this one

And compression

[zinc coral]

do you not usually use compression?

basic but cool

[nimble nova]

Yes i use

But here i tested different plugin for compression

[zinc coral]

ah

i use 2 usually

cla-2a and rcomp for extra

[nimble nova]

I used to use transient processors before

And i hated compression before

[zinc coral]

lol thats weird

[nimble nova]

But now i find it like one of the best tools for drum and master processing

[zinc coral]

well

its kinda one of the 2 main things

its not like its a neich kinda thing haha

[lavish tinsel]

its not the guide, its GGD

im using OKW architects and idk where to route each instrument

and this guy

more like

am i right

wait can i say that here?

in this server?

[stiff raptor]

Dawg you kinda suck

How old are you lol

[zinc coral]

click the arrow beneath the channels in the mixer in the plugin

[zinc coral]

hahaha

dox my name

[lavish tinsel]

tf did i do 🙁

[zinc coral]

oh noooo

[lavish tinsel]

bro u post that in diff places

[stiff raptor]

You're kind of a butthead ngl

[lavish tinsel]

i didnt think it was like some secret

[lavish tinsel]

no

[zinc coral]

yeah actually fuck you today

[stiff raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-bro-what-are-you-talking-about-bruh-wolf-of-wall-street-nose-pinch-gif-2883543456073544458

[zinc coral]

why you be annoying

[lavish tinsel]

bre was not that deep

[zinc coral]

its also not that deep to just listen to the xenon and fix your drums

pls

[lavish tinsel]

the xenon

[zinc coral]

they sound like boxes

[lavish tinsel]

ok cool

u say listen to him, he hasnt said nothing

[lavish tinsel]

they are?

[zinc coral]

snare = stock plugins

multi routed snare = good sound

[zinc coral]

have you ever seen anyone use other peoples real name in the server

[lavish tinsel]

i mean no i guess?

bro uve never said anything along the lines of dont tell ppl my name

[zinc coral]

kinda doesnt matter

[lavish tinsel]

kinda does

[zinc coral]

it should be general common instinct to not tell a server of 18,000 people a 14 yr olds name

[lavish tinsel]

ok bro, ur first name

[zinc coral]

and, its still just kinda rude, if i wanted to tell people my name i would

[stiff raptor]

Don't yall have homework to be doing

[zinc coral]

its not exactly gonna kill me or anything but it should just be human decency not to tell people things that are relativley private

[zinc coral]

lol

[lavish tinsel]

ok my bad then

[torn lynx]

any advice on this?

[stiff raptor]

https://youtu.be/7VzCc7EWDeU

What the heck is going on with the production in this song

Vocals are highpassed wayyy too high

Drums are barely audible

Vocals sound like they literally have OTT at 100% on them

[grave marlin]

When did Yungblud join Beartooth?

[stiff raptor]

IM SAYIN

he looks just like him LOL

[grave marlin]

But yes that mix is fucking weird

Lmaoo

[stiff raptor]

Why the heck are the drums so quiet??

[grave marlin]

What drums?

[stiff raptor]

The only possible thing i could think of is it's an overcorrection from the modern metal "drums too loud!" thing

LOL

[grave marlin]

Me looking for the drums

[stiff raptor]

the vocal processing actually makes me mad

like it sounds okay in the choruses

but whenever it's the verse, or his voice soloed

it's actually harsh

[grave marlin]

This feels like I'm listening to it on fm radio, but I'm in the mountains

[stiff raptor]

Yeah exactly LOL

[grave marlin]

It's like they pitch corrected it, high passed it, and super compressed it then left it dry otherwise

Its grating

[stiff raptor]

I think it may actually be OTT

it has that multiband smashed sound to it lol

[grave marlin]

It really does

[stiff raptor]

@zinc coral

[zinc coral]

Listening now

Tf

[grave marlin]

Where's the guy who uses ott too much? I bet he'd have fun with this lmao

[stiff raptor]

LOL

[zinc coral]

God damn, apart from the vox, this song sick

[stiff raptor]

@grand jasper

[stiff raptor]

the song is whatever, not super for me, the breakdown riffs are good

but the mix is sooo weird

[grave marlin]

I'ma call this Bunnytooth

[stiff raptor]

LOL

[grave marlin]

Just something not threatening

[zinc coral]

Yeah tf, the vocals have way to much breath

[stiff raptor]

it's like you gave someone who wasn't a mixing engineer a ton of pristine, modern presets and let them have at it

[zinc coral]

High passes to hell

That singer is so fucking gay haha

[grave marlin]

Vocals so thin they're doing ads for ozempic

[zinc coral]

dude iwent mountain biking today

im so fucking burnt

also does anyone wanna colab on a song

[zinc coral]

@stiff raptor how is this trum mix?

it sounds a little weird to me

[ruby jay]

this happens to be mixed by the singer himself

also the sam smithification of caleb shomo is kinda horrifying

and the vocals are definitely giving yungblud vibes, his vox probably have weird formant shifting going on, further thinning out his vocals before the high pass

how did beartooth go from disgusting to this??

cuz this is actually disgusting

[zinc coral]

haha

kinda decent song

the singer makes me uncomfortable though

[ruby jay]

yeah he wasnt always like this, very abrupt change in style for sure

sunshine was kinda foreshadowing their style change, but this is just odd

looks like substance therapy finally set him free 💀 🥀

[zinc coral]

@stiff raptor

helppp

im having a HUGE struggle mixing this song rn

[grand jasper]

What did I miss

[grand jasper]

Wait lemme get home

[dusk lagoon]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4CW9fj0aZMtc4652Xnr7Ha?si=54de4cb3bfe94185

how do you achieve this kind of sound (guitars + drums). sound so fucking huge I cant wrap my head around it

[zinc coral]

you mix them

and you master them

sorry haha

[dusk lagoon]

yeah that's the obvious part, but somehow everytime even if my mixes are balanced more or less on point, the master isnt as "fat" as some of these bands get

is it just copious amounts of multiband compressing, or saturation, or both? im really interested in this topic, so if you have some key advice I would really appreciate it. it seems only listening to songs and isolated mixes doesnt quite cut it

[zinc coral]

well it depends, the reson the guitars sound so huge is becuse there are 2 guitars panned left and right and another 2 guitars an octave down tuned left and right, its kinda a hard question to aswer cus i dont know what qualty stems your working with or the level you are mixing at

send me one of your mixes

[dusk lagoon]

probably just an mp3?

[zinc coral]

yeah whatever works

[dusk lagoon]

aight hold on

sent you couple of tracks via dm

[grand jasper]

is it just me or ts sounds ai generated lmao

[ruby jay]

fuzz pedal before the amp helps fatten the guitar tone

[pliant tree]

does anyone know what kind of effect could this be on the guitars, i have 2 tracks playing over each other with inverted phase and the guitars are constantly misaligning, i dont know if its some mixing plugin causing this or if the artist splices guitars 😭

pretty sure they use logic pro, so i wonder if its a DAW issue