Vocals

[meager pier]

Hmm

Well you sound like your on the right path

You have fry

Just the power

Try more air

[agile rapids]

Which take is the best?

[meager pier]

I’d say 2

Bro this garage needs cleaning😭

My vocal takes not the best but I don’t need neighbors on me

[agile rapids]

Well… I guess I’ll scratch that idea of doing it with my band

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-monke-monkey-cry-gif-11763130847124576621

Ima go cry in the corner😭

[meager pier]

Hey

It takes time

Your just learning vocals

Don’t instantly rush things

Just keep practicing

[agile rapids]

Should I wait to do it live then?

[meager pier]

Yea

Do you know clean singing

[agile rapids]

Yes

[meager pier]

Belting and all that?

[agile rapids]

Yes

[meager pier]

Then maybe you should try holding absence they don’t scream

Usually

It’s just belting

[agile rapids]

Nah we’ve got songs for the setlist already. I’ll see what my singing teacher says about sleepwalking

[meager pier]

Well oli does a specific type of fry that I don’t do I do true vocal fry

Basic fry

But I like it cause I can actually get my real voice in the nitty gritty

Oli uses arytenoid

If that’s how you spell it

Which sounds well

More distorted to me

[agile rapids]

I’m just gonna delete those vids now😭

[meager pier]

What songs are on your setlist btw

[agile rapids]

For Whom the Bell Tolls
Paranoid
Little Sister
Toxicity
Bullet With Butterfly Wings
Unnatural selection
I don’t wanna be me

[meager pier]

Ima be so honest I know like 3 of the songs on that list😭

[agile rapids]

Same

I didn’t want to do rock songs

[meager pier]

Get me some shitty scene music

On a setlist

And I’ll be the happiest dwarf alive

[agile rapids]

Yasss

Bro I thought I was doing good with the screams

😭

[meager pier]

It’s good progress

[agile rapids]

I don’t want to doing like Kennedy tho😭

[meager pier]

Well you’ll advance

[agile rapids]

God, hopefully

That’s super embarrassing 😭

[supple jolt]

doesn't he distort with false chord? on the rare occasions I've heard him growl it sounds like false chord, i could be wrong tho.

so i think, he might be using false chords in the same time with his real voice, it honestly sounds like that.

any case, we won't know what he's doing, unless he gets the Cryptopsy/lorna shore treatment and gets a camera down his throat.

[meager pier]

He does his highs with false but I’m sleeping so I can’t argue sadly

[supple jolt]

I'm not arguing, I'm just curious.

[meager pier]

He does arytenoid

[supple jolt]

does he say he does that?

[meager pier]

Ik what your curios

.

Fuck

Anyways

You can hear it just from live preformances

Like when they played shadow Moses on that bbc thing

The false cord highs have this unique sound too

Compared to fry

[supple jolt]

i haven't watched any BMTH live performances, not that big of a fan, but I'll watch them this summer.

I'll check out tho, sure.

in studio, due to production, you can get something to sound like something it's not so.

[meager pier]

Yea I get you

But love you hear how it truly is

And you can hear the nasty sound it has

I mean you can definitely tell oli does false cord screams for his highs still

Like the buildup to the breakdown of kool aid

[supple jolt]

yea, it sounds like a basic false chord, similar to mine actually. but i dont do false chord highs, i suck at that.

I've learned how to smoothly transition between a false chord and a fry, but i cannot combine them, like some of you maniacs do

[meager pier]

Hehe

Who would combine them😁

But I combine false cord and fry to get this unique sound where it’s distorted but oddly clean

[supple jolt]

i saw you did it a few times, not too long ago

[meager pier]

Oh

Uh

Oops

[supple jolt]

idk, i can get a similar sound, with a false chord, just not fully engaged, more like the mongolian singing

then add a bit of normal voice on top, but if i try to add a fry vocal, it just can't get it, maybe it's breath control.

[meager pier]

Tbh I don’t learn how to do more nasty sounding stuff since I’m not doing deathcore as a band thing

It’s fun to scream along to

But the nasty stuff isn’t what I care for

Even tho it’s cool

[supple jolt]

im just doing death metal, plain old death metal, but i have a solo project i wanna do, where ima experiment more than just, pig squeel, growl and black metal scream

[meager pier]

I used to think the black metal screams were so cool to be honest

I just find it silly now

It’s so hoarse

If that’s the word to describe it

[supple jolt]

well, black metal to black metal, there's a big difference.

you can definitely hear what kind of vocals im talking about here

[meager pier]

But I just do old school like screamo type stuff like sleeping with sirens type clean vocals since my voice is high with underoath harsh vocals and stuff

[supple jolt]

i know, I've seen.

[meager pier]

Oh

It feels weird when someone on this server remembers something that I did😭

Sorry but yea

Your screams are sick actually

[supple jolt]

thanks!

[meager pier]

Also something that confused me is that when I was researching about old school underoath they had false cord lows

Which made me so like shocked

They were deathcore at points in there career definitely interesting stuff

[supple jolt]

that exists. i just feel like false chord is the best way to get a low scream, because it's naturally low.

not saying fry lows are bad - Peter Tägtgren, Mikael from Opeth or Lord Worm, but

[meager pier]

Yea I know but for underoath you mostly just hear like basic fry screams

Least I believe the highs are fry screams

It’s just interesting to see cause from what I can tell they stopped doing them in 2006

[supple jolt]

DM me a song with high screams i wanna hear it

i haven't really listened to them.

please!

[meager pier]

I sent you a song with highs

[supple jolt]

thank you, ill listen to it, but later, since im traveling atm.

[meager pier]

Your welcome

All I’m saying

Is that

They were a different band

Like

It’s definitely old school deathcore

Probably bout time I sleep tho I have to work on some vocals for a track

[stoic basin]

@meager pier @supple jolt
Oli 2024:False cord scream and false fold fry.

[meager pier]

Oh shit really?

[stoic basin]

I am gonna list all his techniques now

By era

[meager pier]

I thought he still did arytenoid now

[stoic basin]

There is some slight activation

But not a lot

I do fry from my Aryepiglottic folds with some arytenoid engagement but I am still learning how to get pure arytenoid activation

2004-2008:False cord and inhales and improper false cord yells
2009-2010:Improper false cord and yelling on top of lungs
2013-2015:Arytenoid fry
2016-now:False cord screams and false fold fry and false cord shouts. Plus false cord grit singing

[stoic basin]

@meager pier that’s on the top of my head at the moment

[meager pier]

Well thanks for the clarification

Definitely helps me understand this a lot more

[stoic basin]

I am still figuring out the grit singing thing

[supple jolt]

i thought it sounds like false chord.

[agile rapids]

Woahhh. How do you do that stuff?

I’m just beginning screaming and need a few tips here and there lol

[supple jolt]

I don't know honestly, i kinda learned how to scream on my own, then visited a coach and he said, that everything im doing is healthy, so everything else, I've kinda figured out myself.

[agile rapids]

Can I send my video that I took today of me screaming?

Pls don’t tell me I sound like John Kennedy😭

[supple jolt]

don't worry, send the vid!

[agile rapids]

It’s not great…

I sound better in the night

And with a mic

[supple jolt]

relax.

i think you're pushing too much, it sounds good for a beginner fry tho

hope, you can get an idea of what i was trying to say with the lips.

[agile rapids]

I feel like my problem is probably the air yeah

[supple jolt]

you're pushing too much

[agile rapids]

Cuz after like 7pm I feel more relaxed and stuff so they sound better

[agile rapids]

I’ll try to push less as well

[supple jolt]

yea, i feel you, i sound better in the evening as well

some days i sound like Ac DC singer as well, usually when im really tired from work, so i push too much air

the trick for me is, to not push too much, or too little, practice makes perfect.

[agile rapids]

I’ve got to make a good video of me screaming that song before Wednesday

For my band

And it has to sound good

[supple jolt]

too little, you dont get the fry scream sound, you get a shit version of the james hetfield thing i showed earlier, push too much and you'll engage your vocal chords and cause permanent damage to your throat and voice

[agile rapids]

Oh god

That’s scary

@supple jolt is this better?

[supple jolt]

a bit better, you will not notice immediate improvements, it will happen slowly.

[agile rapids]

Think I’ll be good enough to do it at a show in July?

I need a good take by Wednesday otherwise we can’t do it. I’m stressing

[supple jolt]

oof, I don't know, maybe

but if you work on it hard, you gotta rest hard as well, you need to let your voice rest

if you don't, then even if you're good enough to do it, by then, you will sound bad, because you have overused your voice

[agile rapids]

I did toxicity for the band with those vocals and it sounded fine with the mic

[supple jolt]

idk, i sound worse with a mic

here's an example

[agile rapids]

Well I definitely sound better with mic lmao

[north kettle]

For some reason, I sound better in real life, but I’m a mix I sound like shit.

Like I sound great with a mic irl and without one irl, but try to do a song from the internet and my screams sound weak as hell

[agile rapids]

Same

Which is why I’m stressing

Because the band manager wants a video of me performing the song by Monday

[north kettle]

I wish I was in a band lol. I can’t find one 😦

People keep telling me to get in one, but like bro, how?

[agile rapids]

The place I do singing lessons at has a band program too

That’s how I joined

[north kettle]

That’s super cool man! That would be amazing

[agile rapids]

I’m nervous af for our first two shows

One is at a local festival… :0

[north kettle]

I mean I’ve made a song with one of the guys in this server, but I’m very nervous to actually like, work on it because it doesn’t sound as good when it goes on computer. It sounds heavy as hell when live performed, but sounds like shit on the mix

[agile rapids]

Dude. From the videos you’ve posted on here you sound pretty awesome

I’d love to be able to do what you can

How long have you been doing it?

[supple jolt]

I've gotten it a few times, when i was doing vocal covers for fun in my home, where my voice sounds really good in a mix

but its hard for me to do that

im really happy with how this one turned out

[north kettle]

Thank you man! I really do appreciate that! You sound sick too!

[agile rapids]

Ty! I’ve only been doing it for a few weeks 😅

[north kettle]

And around 4 years. I never took lessons or anything. I’ve always just taken inspiration from bands I’ve liked at the time, and so I just screamed along to songs and figured out what worked and what didn’t

I’ve always just kinda did that on my way to work, back from work, and on road trips

[agile rapids]

Did you watch any tutorials or anything?

[north kettle]

Nope lol

I think I watched like 5 minutes of a tutorial when I was first learning how to do my lows

[agile rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/munsonated-gif-26549765

Bruh… that’s insanely impressive

[north kettle]

The only advice I ever took from a tutorial was like, with lows, you wanna kinda sigh like you’re trying to fog up a window, and then just add distortion from there

That’s kinda the only tutorial I took

But also keep in mind, this is years of trial and error lol

[north kettle]

Haha thank you lol. You’re too kind haha

For a few weeks tho, you’re better than people have seen that have done this for years

[agile rapids]

I try to practice a lot lol

[north kettle]

And that’s really good man. That’s literally the most important thing with anything in life. You could get all the lessons in the world, but if you don’t practice a lot, those lessons become useless lol

[agile rapids]

Yessss!! Wise words!

I’m no slacker😎

[north kettle]

I mean I never even saw my practice as practice. It’s just my routine to scream in the car

If you own a car, or a place where you can be loud, it’s easier

[agile rapids]

Definitely. I don’t see my practice as something I have to do, more as fun

Next year I’ll be able to practice in the car lol

Rn I just crank my speakers

[north kettle]

Here is without mic vs with mic

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/QfKiT5zAEXs?si=SJ_h7usp9rdkhtf0

[split jacinth]

Been working on my higher notes recently

Don't mind the video existing it's a leather coat, just mind the audio

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/IgkSeYgNass?si=ohqkcxCL4gzVZB2g

[meager pier]

When you said that I was expecting angelic high notes and then I hear zombie noises

[patent lintel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkBV8GoPWXY

[meager pier]

Finally more research on the distortion topic

[lyric dune]

Will is tougher than Alex in reality

He handles it like a beast compared to Alex who didn’t want to do it

Alex’s whole tough guy persona is a joke. He does testosterone and steroids and faked getting a scar to look tougher, will is so much more genuine of a person

[patent lintel]

this isn't your fucking soap box, go talk on reddit

[glass prism]

Rs

[lyric dune]

Are there rules for what we are supposed to talk about here? It’s about the video that was posted which is on vocals

If I’m just not getting your point I’m sorry but I don’t understand what I did wrong

[glass prism]

He means you were kinda saying a bit of negative stuff about Alex when he wasn't included in the video(from what I know I haven't watched it) and he wasn't part of the convo so it kinda seemed like you were just bitching about alex (istg I'm not glazing I don't even listen to Ls or Stp anymore) but he probably took it as you were just bitching about alex

[lyric dune]

Ok I get that, my bad

[patent lintel]

Yeah keep the negative shit on reddit. We do fun vocal things here

[lyric dune]

Alright

Why when I try to do growls one day the next day I can’t do it the next

It’s happened multiple times

And I thought I was doing it safely

[patent lintel]

Consult a vocal coach probably. I don't think we have any here tbh

[glass prism]

Could be unhealthy tech or wearing yourself out

[indigo girder]

Yo

[indigo girder]

Hot take: Taylor barber of Left to Suffer and Project:Vengeance is one of the most versatile metal vocalists of this generation. Having amazing clean singing, the ability to rap, scream and do multiple types of metal a screams. So talented fr

He also has a project of his own for making pop music

[north kettle]

I found a cave

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/usTb_ddDGuo?si=AwOJyROW69xezwV0

[bleak copper]

hello people, I've been doing screamy vocals for some months now and I think I sound pretty decent, but projection on the voice is hard for me. Does anyone have any tips?

[whole kraken]

Can someone give me tips on how to do the high pitched screams from metalcore? (Like Killswitch Engage or All That Remains, I wanna do those screams)

[supple jolt]

hello, I've been doing fry "pig squeals" for some time, but I haven't done them in a while, so i have kinda forgotten, how it's done. Cannot really get it as it sounds more like a fry growl now, any tips?

should i try to put the tongue behind my upper teeth or bend sideways? any lip tricks? idk I have completely forgotten how i used to do it.

[meager pier]

I got you

I’ll explain it on a video

Bending it to the side is mostly for False cord squeals

By the way don’t mind me sounding 13 in my mid 20’s

[whole kraken]

Lol it’s good

[meager pier]

I don’t how why my voice wanted to be so high but I’m happy for it

Cause I can sing every emo song in existence and sound perfect

[whole kraken]

I’m kinda jealous, I’m 14 and people think I’m older than that

[meager pier]

Whiny emo vocals❤️

[whole kraken]

Nice

[meager pier]

People hear my voice and think I’m 14

It doesn’t help that I’m like 5’1

😭

[whole kraken]

Damn

[meager pier]

I have short parents

My moms 4’7 and all so yea

[whole kraken]

Damn, I’d say that’s better than me

people usually say I’m taller than all my family T^T

[meager pier]

Do you wanna be short😭

[whole kraken]

I’m not the biggest fan of being tall :/

I hit my head going off the bus twice

😭

[meager pier]

Wanna hear what like my low cleans sound like

[whole kraken]

Sure

[whole kraken]

Nice

[meager pier]

My highest note I reached in chest voice without belting was a D4

Or like mixed singing

I’m sorry I’m a nerd for cleans

[whole kraken]

Nah man, it’s good

[meager pier]

Anyways do you harsh or anything vocal related?

[whole kraken]

I could probably record what I kinda do (I’m not the best at vocals tho)

[meager pier]

It’s fine let’s hear it

[meager pier]

So you wanna learn like the typical fry scream In metalcore and stuff

That’s the real fun stuff

Lows are cool

But the highs are where it’s at

[whole kraken]

Fr

[meager pier]

I love singing to underoath for that reason

Like those screams are oddly satisfying

Just doing vocals is fun

Just messing around seeing what ugly animal noises you can make

That’s just how it is

[whole kraken]

Yeah

[hoary nacelle]

I hit a screamo note during recording

It wont send apparently

Nvm its here

[agile rapids]

fuck i failed

a lot

lol

[wraith mesa]

any feedback on vocals and patterns appreciated

[agile rapids]

thanks for participating and helping me out with mixing my vocals! Appreciate it a lot! =)

[north kettle]

This is the first blegh I’ve ever done.

[opaque hearth]

Woot woot just learned how to do bryan garris esk screams, shits so hard and taxing compared to my reg screams though (no backing track)

[hazy holly]

honest feedback on this?

[azure silo]

Tell me watcha think

[azure silo]

I improved it and did a longer version

Also unlicking inhales is fun

[agile rapids]

Yo guys i got rewarded! I get a free Master Mix down, from a mastering House buddy of mine. Eceryone who particupsted with me yesterday please let me know

I'll Credit you

[supple jolt]

thanks!

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/21OyujD2nao?si=OWNS_VEYAqjxrU5o

[agile rapids]

its done guys!

[clever mesa]

ayy, we have the same shirt

fry screams aren't that loud, but they produce some dirty sounds

[wooden onyx]

yall idk if this is the right channel but idk what else would be so I'm asking here.
My screams are really inconsistant and airy and idk why. I'll sound super sick on one day and terrible on the other and I can't figure out why. Has anyone here had the same problem or knows why this happens?

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/ZfLc6aNk9DY?si=xhzawqW9d0YZQ8Fs

[sonic sedge]

the voice is a fickle beast and sometimes the gods hate you

[wooden comet]

Trying to re-learn how to play guitar, do vocals, and record. Only one quick vocal take

[agile rapids]

damn bro hahaha

[slender gust]

does anyone know of a good mic to use for harsh vocals that is also around 100 dollars

[slender gust]

That did me dirty ngl jesus that is heavy asf

[agile rapids]

beep beep

[glass prism]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8fU9KXpL_R/?igsh=MWtucGgyZWVlbXdocg==

shadowed.vox

A darkened gospel-A wake in providence (vocal cover)

#vocalcover #metal #deathcoreradio #deathmetalclassics #deathmetalpromotion #metalmusic #deathcorevocalist #deathcorevocals #shadowofintent #deathmetal #metalvocals #metal
@awip_us @thewillramos @adam_awip

Instagram

[wooden comet]

Wow, thanks man! 😁🤝

[wooden comet]

Solid writing. Drums sound crispy! Want some notes on vocals?

[slender gust]

No problem man shits fire

[willow axle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox73EAUwt2k

[agile rapids]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f45WNtpbvo hey guys, i uploaded the track without cleans and with a bigger chorus. i would love to get some feedback on this drop!

[meager pier]

Legit thought that said bdsm😭

[wooden comet]

Nice job man. For the center vocals I’d add some more compression/saturation and tuck them back in the mix a bit. Then add a reverb send and dial it in to taste. They’re great takes, they just sound a like they’re a bit too far out front of the mix

How do you have them routed from start to finish?

If you’re worried about losing definition in the vocals by pulling them back, add a little more high eq and they’ll jump out again.

[hollow mural]

anyone here interested in helping me do vocals for a small project im doing? just abt 2 min. im going for a blackened vibe, if anyone is interested or just bored pls dm me :D

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/NVmkeA4Bnok?si=JInZDtcxQEK6n4Zp

[meager pier]

I can do this after my lil hospital visit are you looking for just black metal esque vocals or

Just something that would fit in that category

[stoic basin]

Idk if my lows are good

[limber parrot]

alright joining this thread now

what do y'all use in your vocals FX chains?

i have

• analogue compressor
• graillon 2 pitch adjuster
• analogue reverb
• EQ band

curious if there's something missing or if i should re-order those or anything

[hollow mural]

i can shoot you the instrumental and the lyrics if u want, so you can see/hear it yourself

[meager pier]

Yea definitely will check it out

[hollow mural]

sent a friend rq

but i might go hit the bed, just got home from work and its 1 am

[elder condor]

https://therangeplanet.proboards.com/thread/3357/stephen-keech

Any Haste The Day fans here?

[velvet zephyr]

yo anybody knows how to do exhale screams, i always use inhale because i learn it that way and ever since that I'm stuck with inhale and can't do exhale. also I've heard that inhale screams can hurt your vocal cords, is it true?

[meager pier]

Yea

I think

Idk

I don’t do inhales

I do normal screams

I’ve always learned them that way

But I can’t really explain it

[wooden comet]

They sound great

[sonic sedge]

how to tell the difference between sore throat from sick and sore throat from screaming with bad technique the day before

cuz ppl in my house have had some low grade something but i also practiced again after not practicing for like a month last night

it didnt hurt at all while i was doing it and ive been using that same technique my whole life

very very badly at first tho

[meager pier]

Well it’s pretty obvious when it’s from being sick or from screaming

If you’ve been sick it should be there for a few weeks still

If you had bad technique you should have a few added problems

Besides hurting to swallow

Unless your sore throats really bad

You can tell you had vocal damage from a hoarse voice

[sonic sedge]

idk if im hoarse or if i just have added tension

cuz i have this stupid thing where as soon as i care about how my voice sounds i become completely unable to relax it

like if i send my vocals could yall say if its bad technique or not

[meager pier]

Yea I’ll try and compare it with mine

[sonic sedge]

aight

oh yeah also this illness is super low grade so its not like sick sick

[meager pier]

Your fry’s don’t seem to have enough tension to make it sound loud and proud

I’d just add slightly more tension but be careful with it

Cause your fry’s sound airy

[sonic sedge]

more tension?? ive always had problems with too much tension

and does that sound like bad technique

that would give me a sore throat

[sonic sedge]

also im not going for the deathcore thing

if im gonna add distortion i wanna also add to the clean voice underneath so i can get the power yknow

[meager pier]

So you wanna sing with distortion?

[meager pier]

Also that technique gives you a sore throat?

If your getting any negative thing like a sore throat after doing vocals it’s bad technique

[sonic sedge]

i want to sound like jens idk

[sonic sedge]

thats what im trying to figure out

cuz i might just be very mildly sick

this is afaik the same technique i was using back when i practiced all the time and it didnt give me a sore throat

[meager pier]

Well if you want a scream with some clean sound

Try and learn hybrid screams

Cause false cord and fry combined give this unique like clean but distorted sound when used together

[sonic sedge]

yeah i think thats what he does

but also when i think of what hybrid sounds like i think of gojira which is less what i want than what i have now

so

[meager pier]

I’ll show you what I sound with hybrids

In a bit

I’m not home and I don’t have to confidence to do vocals in a store😭

[sonic sedge]

does bad technique hurt when youre doing it at all

[meager pier]

Yea

But I mean even if your slightly sick you shouldn’t do vocals

[sonic sedge]

im not gonna do vocals until it feels better

i just wanna clarify that my technique is ok

cuz it didnt hurt when i was doing it

tho i have done it a lot so idk if its possible to get used to it

[meager pier]

Sometimes bad technique takes a while to show

[sonic sedge]

so im fucked

i cant be fucking up my voice but i also cant be obsessing over every little detail when it doesnt even hurt

[meager pier]

Well don’t worry about it now anyways ima show you what hybrids sound like

[stoic basin]

My longest fry scream sitting down

[sonic sedge]

thats about how i thought

seems like the fc is just for the low gurgly noise tho

and im not into that

[meager pier]

That’s a fry

The fry does that

False just makes it cleaner

Ig

[sonic sedge]

i dont think thats it

i kinda like the grimy unpolished vibe that just fry can get that i dont think fc can

but im sick and im just yapping dont listen to me

[meager pier]

No false cord can’t do that

Maybe different type can but idk

[limber parrot]

ok didn't really get an answer to my question before.
i'm running:

• compressor
• pitch adjuster
• reverb
• EQ band
  how does it sound? does anything need to be changed? removed? added?

yes i know it clips at the beginning that's my own fault i know how to fix it

[stoic basin]

@meager pier @sonic sedge

[sonic sedge]

those highs are cool

[stoic basin]

@sonic sedge @glass prism

[meager pier]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5GDhZIimrLEJAgV7zVshSG?si=Dgk8949PTvCqZ-dKCRpjYA&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A0gBSoXYKsE3HHZNbgMPnEg

Can someone tell me what he’s doing

At the end of the song

Specifically at 3:37

That whole part can’t tell if that’s belting

Or fry screams

Just not like really like

Fully ingaged

Sounds like belting but like idk how you get that like rumbling sound in belting

Maybe distortion is added but idk how to do that at all

[agile rapids]

hey guys

im recruiting guitarrists, bassists and drummer BPM range is 100-180 bpm. please let me know DM!!

[sonic sedge]

how to stop overthinking vocals

i didnt do them for a while and i was totally relaxed when i wasnt doing them and its been like 5 days since i last did vocals and i still have all the muscles permanently activated

i fucking hate it

even if im consciously thinking about relaxing i cant do it

cuz im like thinking about next time i do vocals

even tho i can easily switch from not activated to activated but as soon as i have "i do vocals sometimes" in my head i cant switch back to save my life

im sick of having these stupid ass mental blocks i can tell they only make me sound worse

like i want to only do this when im actually screaming but i fucking cant let it go for normal life

[azure silo]

@clever ermine @wraith mesa so this is when i started doing inhales, there is some exhale i there

And yes this is recorded on my phone through a screen recording

Not perfect ofc

[clever ermine]

Ooo

[wraith mesa]

shitttt

that sounds cool asf

[azure silo]

Thank you thank you

[azure silo]

The first scream after the highs is my exhale

[clever ermine]

Netherwalker cover
Coolest shit ever

[azure silo]

Then i tried to do a switch to inhales it went ok

[clever ermine]

Idk anything about vocals but it sounds cool lol

[azure silo]

Also im all self thaught

[clever ermine]

Nice

[lofty glade]

holy shit thats impressive

i love netherwalker, u did tavern justice

[lofty glade]

HOLY SHITT

[sonic sedge]

hell yeah

[azure silo]

Thank you thank you

[azure silo]

Rhanks

[meager pier]

Found out what he was doing here he’s just singing with some fry distortion

[wraith mesa]

❤️❤️

[meager pier]

It shouldn’t have taken that long to notice that😭

Anyways sorry for interrupting you dom😭😭

[lament mantle]

Do you know how to do proper fry?

[meager pier]

Yea ofc

Proper fry is how I learned how to just add some simple basic distortion to my voice

[lament mantle]

i can growl very good, but fry is tough for me.

[meager pier]

Let’s here your fry?

I can try and give some advice

[lament mantle]

Can't right now.

[meager pier]

Oh

When your free @ me so I can give you some advice

[lament mantle]

I can when i get home later today.

[lament mantle]

thanks so much

[meager pier]

Alrighty

Your welcome

[agile rapids]

Guys I need help

How do I fry scream

Or at least do glottal compressions like oli sykes

[sonic sedge]

scream and if it hurts dont do it like that and youll figure it out eventually

fry is like around the top of your throat right before the back of your tongue

theres a bunch of tutorials on youtube and none of them work imo

they only make sense if you already know how to do it

[meager pier]

Okay do not do this😭

[meager pier]

This should help a tiny bit

[sonic sedge]

i did that

[meager pier]

Probably not the smartest thing to do

But I mean you got it

So I guess you can do it that way

[meager pier]

Simple explaination btw

By doing this your engaging your vocal folds in a way where they come together and make some distortion leaning into it means you push more air and if you do it right you get a scream

When your used to it you can just scream whenever and wherever

Just take your time keep it controlled and rememeber if it hurts stop immediately and don’t do vocals

[stoic basin]

Yeah do this and add twang placement and you will get it smoother version

@agile rapids

[agile rapids]

Thnx mate

[wraith mesa]

https://youtu.be/75SF-LW3HLg?si=ujM7QhJF1UVUs1mI

[bold valve]

This sounds very cool

[north kettle]

Yo, does anyone know what kind of scream the singer of snuffed on sight does? How do you do that? https://youtu.be/l5BhK6XWdKE?si=cEBXnMqveIKUYRLo

[lofty glade]

ik how but its kinda hard to explain

[north kettle]

Explain it to the best of your ability. Snuffed on sight has interesting vocals. Ik how to do deathcore vocals, but snuffed is different

[lofty glade]

its like a higher placement into ur vocal chords and you should feel it like right above ur fry scream and right in the middle if that makes sense

wait no

its further back but higher than false chord placement

[north kettle]

Here are just some screams that I recorded today.

[agile rapids]

Damnnn

Question

What screaming technique does Oli Sykes use in can you feel my heart?

Is it pitched screaming?

And if so how do I do it

[stoic basin]

Yeah

The way he screamed was using fry screams and he just strained until he got the voice in it.

[agile rapids]

Can I learn it?

Like I'm trying to learn how to fry

[meager pier]

Learn pitchless screams first

[stoic basin]

No

Pitch screams need at least 4-5 years of singing experience

And you don’t got a fry scream so work on pitchless fry screams first

[agile rapids]

Oh ok

[north kettle]

Yes

You can learn anything

Not saying it’s easy

But if you’re willing to put in the effort, then do it

Just don’t go to hospital

[meager pier]

I’d also try start making a routine for practicing this stuff

Since you wanna do pitched I’d have some clean singing practice in your schedule

[agile rapids]

Already doing warm ups everyday

Trying to fix my intonation

Normal singing that is

[meager pier]

Good start

[agile rapids]

Could you recommend a routine

[meager pier]

Monday Thursday Friday and Sunday you do harsh and in between so cleans

That’s my routine

[north kettle]

My routine is this: scream along to my favorite songs on the way to work and the way back home

That’s it

[meager pier]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5GDhZIimrLEJAgV7zVshSG?si=gB3slWb0RBmryF5n7H2oXg&context=spotify%3Aplaylist%3A75NrtfsuwpMCyutwbNpnii

Okay so I’m just posting to make sure the ending

Like 3:37

Is he doing fry screams or distorted cleans

Cause to me it sounds like both

Need your guys opinions on it

Leaning on just distorted singing

[sonic sedge]

hey guys

can overprojecting give you a scratchy throat or did i fuck up big time

[stoic basin]

Yes

https://youtu.be/LyW3nMWLQf4?feature=shared

[agile rapids]

What are distorted cleans

[stoic basin]

Grit singing

[agile rapids]

Kurt Cobain?

[stoic basin]

Yeah like that

[meager pier]

Ima just say it’s a mix between grit and the scream itself

It sounds powerful yet quite quiet tho that could just be the mix

[sonic sedge]

damn idk how to get the raw power that jens has without overprojecting tho

[stoic basin]

Support

[sonic sedge]

fuck

i hate support so much lmao

most unfun shit ever

[sonic sedge]

does anyone have tips on how to get better at it

[lofty glade]

tavern introo

[meager pier]

Breathe from your diaphragm that’s the main one

If you just breathe from it you can sing and hold notes or screams for so long

[sonic sedge]

its so hard for me to not overthink where my diaphragm is and whether or not im actually doing it

i just get so caught up in monitoring i become completely unable to actually do it

[meager pier]

Okay sinple explaination just your whole stomach area

If your stomach expands when you breathe

You pretty much are doing it right

Tho it is more than just your stomach all that matters is your stomach

That’s how you know your doing it right

[sonic sedge]

im more confused on how to breathe out to support

ive done it before but again the overthinking fucks me over

its just a lot to keep track of

i think i know how to do it but 100% of my brain power goes to relaxing my throat

[meager pier]

Raw vocal take of given ups long scream part (no i didn’t put a instrumental cause I’m lazy)

[sonic sedge]

upon further reflection it appears i dont know how to breathe from my diaphragm and cant figure out how

this whole time i was just using my abs to push my stomach out

[supple jolt]

https://youtu.be/-nC79na-tO0?si=lPPnP1EsY1dvoHOy
any feedback is welcome.

[supple jolt]

nice try, here's mine

[meager pier]

Some good screams you got there

Some eerieness to them

[agile rapids]

im tired

[agile rapids]

@meager pier mate could you check these screams out?

Idk if I'm doing them right

[meager pier]

Ofc

[meager pier]

Your screams are kinda airy

This video should help you again

Obviously your screams are gonna sound a lot different but trust me I’d think you’d have some killer fry screams

[agile rapids]

Thanks man

Gonna try the compression now

[meager pier]

Yw

Send me a example so I can help you a lil bit more

[agile rapids]

This is what happens when I try to compress

[meager pier]

Okay your on the right track

Remember hold the huh out

Well when your comfortable

When you hear some distortion then your on the right track

You got this

[stoic basin]

🙂

[stoic basin]

@meager pier

[meager pier]

Guessing I should check it out

[stoic basin]

Yeah

I figured out something cool

[meager pier]

Alright can’t wait then

Okay those vocals pretty sick what you doing there

[meager pier]

That’s some nasty shit man

Good job

[stoic basin]

I am sick rn so my stuff sounds off

It will probably sound wet and stuff once my throat infection clears up

[meager pier]

Yea just rest for now

Good vocal take tho

[stoic basin]

Also I am in a band now so I need to get better so I can start tracking stuff

[meager pier]

Shit I’ll check your band out for sure

[stoic basin]

We might put out a demo soon.

[supple jolt]

damn feels good to scream again

[agile rapids]

Can someone tell me what this is

This probably isn't fry but I still wanna know

[meager pier]

Sounds a lil false cordy

@agile rapids

But yet to me

It sounds like your singing with distortion

[agile rapids]

I was trying to replicate oli's screaming in Antivist

Lmao I tried to fry but ended up doing false cords

[velvet zephyr]

quick question, if i can do a growl does that mean I'm doing scream properly?, and if yes then how do you unlock more range?

[stoic basin]

No

If you can scream for long periods of time with no changes to your singing range and no hoarseness then you are doing it right

[velvet zephyr]

even if i did it inhale?

cause i can only do high in inhales, but i never hurt my throat or anything

i can do it long also, i didn't count how many seconds but it's long imo

[stoic basin]

Inhales are bad for you

Like they cause damage no matter what

Learn exhale screams

They sound better and you can do more

[velvet zephyr]

i am stuck with inhales, whenever i wanna learn to do exhale i always end up in inhales

[velvet zephyr]

i know but i accidentally learn inhales

[stoic basin]

Inhales are bad

Stop doing them

You will thank me later

[velvet zephyr]

alright

my only problem is that I'm stuck w inhales, i cannot learn to do exhale at all

like I'm used to the inhale feeling

[stoic basin]

Drop that technique

And unlearn it

I can tell you the risk of it

Inhales can cause permanent damage to your vocal folds

[velvet zephyr]

aight bro I'll try to learn exhale

[stoic basin]

False cord screams are your best bet

They are easy to do unlike fry

[velvet zephyr]

what's the difference between fry and cord?

[stoic basin]

Fry has your true folds closed so less air is able to escape

[velvet zephyr]

i see

[stoic basin]

While false cord doesn’t have that amount of controlled closure so it’s harder to hold for longer

Fry can be done from your vocal folds or your false folds or any other cartilage(Epiglottis,arytenoids,Etc)

False cord screams uses your false folds

[velvet zephyr]

how do you activate the false folds?

[stoic basin]

Kargyraa

The sigh method does not work

All it does is teach you to dump a lot of air

To get the false folds

[velvet zephyr]

yeah doesn't help me att all

[stoic basin]

I can’t do fc at all nowadays

I am a fry screamer and always been one lol

[velvet zephyr]

it's alright lol both have ups and downs right

anwys thanks, I'll try to learn karygyraa

[stoic basin]

I can send you a server that will help you learn fc and other stuff too. Avoid the fry guide tho it isn’t good imo

[velvet zephyr]

yes please that would help

[meager pier]

You have to take the time to end the habit yknow

Doesn’t reallyy happen easily

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/5xofynUHXjk?si=UO7-JckD59UFLWp-

[supple jolt]

what do you feel in your throat after you growl?

[supple jolt]

how? it's like breathing in breathing out.

[velvet zephyr]

it kinda feels sore, i mostly feel it in my chest, especially if i do growl for a long time

[velvet zephyr]

it just happens, I'll try to not inhale for a while and practice screaming in exhale

i know it's better but it feels like I'm learning from the start lol

[supple jolt]

dont then.

[velvet zephyr]

aight

[supple jolt]

try to get a vocal coach, they will help you. Also inhales are not really safe to do.

[velvet zephyr]

yeah I'm avoiding inhales as best as i could

[agile rapids]

Just to be clear how many types of screams are there

Other than fry and false cord

Fundamentally that is

[agile rapids]

And is false cord safe?

[meager pier]

False cord is safe

False cord however can’t be done as long as fry scream

Fry screams You can do for like 4 hours

False cord depending on how high your voice is means it’s gonna be a lot shorter for you to actually keep doing it and like not wear your voice out

[agile rapids]

Are these false cords

[agile rapids]

I have a relatively high voice

I think I'm a tenor

[meager pier]

You do have a pretty high voice

So us tenors can’t really do false cord day and night because of false cord too much and are voice just gets tired

Okay

[meager pier]

So we got distortion

That’s some good stuff

[agile rapids]

Hmmm

Yeah my voice gets tired after that

But somehow I found it easier to start it

Can't wrap my head around fry at all

Guess I gotta practice a lot

[meager pier]

It takes time

It was easier learning false cord (even if I did it in a harmful way) than doing fry

Took like 6 months for fry

[agile rapids]

Fr

Six months is a long time tho 😦

[meager pier]

Well yea but you can do it quicker

Cause I wasn’t really trying

I was just doing it like time to time

[agile rapids]

How'd it work out for you

[meager pier]

Well it worked out pretty well

Plus I could do pitched screams pretty early on since I’ve have a lot of singing experience

False cord took a whole Year

But I learned it

[agile rapids]

Damnnn

[hoary nacelle]

how do you hit the high registers you hear in screamo?

like this song here

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/xZpptrikvxk?si=DbWovU0IGijCgV-D

[meager pier]

Would explain this since this is exactly my style but it’s night right now

I’ll explain in the morning

[hoary nacelle]

Please ping me when you do

[meager pier]

Alright

Will do

Underoath type screams whatever you need I got you with all that

[hoary nacelle]

thanks in advance

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/VZHaHuEWl_w?si=WtwJhoYNrTCvJ7zx

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/T790A8nwp68?si=N8H7DkqS0aGKIuoP

[agile rapids]

@meager pier bro

Review please

[meager pier]

Got you

[meager pier]

Okay that ending has actual power

Some actual scream sound

On 32

To me you kinda just sing with compression/distortiom

But that ending had screaminess

[agile rapids]

Was it fry or false cord?

[meager pier]

Sounds false cord

Like

But had pitch

Which to me you have false cord distortion going

But your doing distorted singing

[agile rapids]

What would an actual false cord sound like?

And how do I practice it

[meager pier]

Uh hold up let me find a video cause I have like several

[meager pier]

@agile rapids

[agile rapids]

Damn

Dude

I gotta say this

You look hot

[meager pier]

.

💀💀💀

[agile rapids]

Never mind

So that's false cord

[meager pier]

Uh awkward😭

The lows are false cords tho

That’s the stuff you got going on

[agile rapids]

I see

[agile rapids]

Just meant it as a compliment sorry 😅

[meager pier]

It’s cool mate

[stoic basin]

Goofy technique

@meager pier

[agile rapids]

Arghh

I think I've damaged my voice ever so slightly

Gotta lay off the screaming for a few days

[meager pier]

Take a break for a week

At the slighted

Slightest

[hollow apex]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9S67Pryv9x/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

intensifiedgenocide

grimoire @lornashore

#deathcore #metal

Instagram

i tried my best

[wraith mesa]

Ive acended

[north kettle]

This is how you quiet down your dog

[agile rapids]

Imma try that immediately

Oh wait nevermind I'm on vocal rest

[agile rapids]

@meager pier

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/e2CX6Vkr5Bk?si=o5ONjFpEHEW3qmF3

[agile rapids]

Someone give me some feedback

This is me singing with grit

What do you think?

[stoic basin]

you're not singing with grit

you are singing yes but there is no grit on top

[agile rapids]

Oh

Tried real hard to bring some distortion :p

[agile rapids]

just finished these vocals today! lets go!

[agile rapids]

Guys tell me what you think of this clean singing

I sang this after screaming for two hours so it's a bit shaky

It's teardrops by bmth

Tell me where I've got to improve and how I can do it

Clean singing just to be clear

[meager pier]

As a guy who does cleans I can say these are pretty damn good

Your cleans are pretty good

Good emotion

Good sound with the pitches

[agile rapids]

Thnx

Any tips at all?

[meager pier]

I’d just saw work on like a lil bit of grit just a tiny bit

It helps with sound sometimes

Not sometimes but sometimes a tiny bit of grit helps

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/sxJET9t7SSc?si=DI56D-lFhKP_f5lK

[elder condor]

Did a revision of one of my favorite vocal threads I have done. For many Christian kids in America or any English-speaking country, this man was our introduction to rock music:

https://therangeplanet.proboards.com/thread/3539/bart-millard

[gusty owl]

first time recording false chord by itself, how is it?

[remote gorge]

yall would say an sm58 is good enough for recording vocals on pc yeah?

i dont need anything too fancy?

[meager pier]

He that’s pretty good if your not really built on a 10 billion dollar budget

[lyric dune]

Could someone record vocals for this part?

[meager pier]

I could just do inaudible lows and make it sound groovy

[stoic basin]

Depends on what you want

I can do it if I am free

[sonic sedge]

what do you want

it sounds like demon noises which i cant do but if you want like sentinels type stuff i can do it

[lyric dune]

Anything you would think sounds cool with it

[lyric dune]

That works fine, can you try to make it sound catchy with the rhythms you’re doing vocally?

[meager pier]

Ofc will do

[lyric dune]

Longer version

Sorry about about the mix I don’t know how to produce

All just trial and error

[meager pier]

Hey so I got done with vocals rn I’ll send it to you to see if you like it

Idk if this vocal take is good enough for you but let me know

[stoic basin]

@agile rapids This is grit singing.

Rough take but I am still polishing the errors in my voice

[north kettle]

Idk what inhales are or how to do this, but this is my assumption on how to do it just based off of what my ears hear

[meager pier]

I saw this tried it

Regretted it

Ima just stick to normal stuff😭

[north kettle]

What did you try?

[meager pier]

Inhales

Just felt weird and uncomfortable idk how people just do that

[north kettle]

Did I do good?

Because idek how to do an inhale

I just kinda fucked around and got something that KIND OF maybe sounds like snuffed on sight, but I’m still experimenting

I’m trying to sound like them

[meager pier]

Man I don’t even know what I even did is considered an inhale scream

Just stay away from them they’re not good for vocals long term

[north kettle]

I mean it doesn’t hurt me at all

And snuffy does them

And they’re my favorite vocalist rn

It hurts less than my exhales lol

[clever ermine]

Damn that's cool asf

Also cool shirt what band is that?

[north kettle]

Peeling flesh. I love them so much. They’re amazing

[clever ermine]

Couldn't read it, thanku

[north kettle]

Listen to either slamaholics volume 2, or their newest stuff

[clever ermine]

Yea ik em

[north kettle]

Hell yeah! I’m seeing them on September 3rd

Their merch is hella sick

[clever ermine]

Ik they did a thing with gorepot in the slamaholics with the weird album cover

If i remember correctly

Also

Wait a sec

[north kettle]

They’ve also done a few things with snuffed on sight. I also love them

[clever ermine]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4IbCdPdm4RXcxlI1QTtRzI?si=ZvURiuhGTh6JOLFfDriu0g

Also the split with putrid stu was cool

[north kettle]

Honestly, the only slam bands I know are pf and snuffy, but I love them both so much

This is the shirt I’m wearing btw

It’s fire

[clever ermine]

I have band recs idk

[north kettle]

Send them over

[clever ermine]

Yea I'll make a list or sum

Will take like 5 mins

[lyric dune]

(It took much longer than 5 minutes)

[clever ermine]

Ye

But it was a list

[signal coyote]

I'm going to work on the lead vocals soon

RIP CJ Snare from Firehouse amazing singer from the '90s

[agile rapids]

Yo someone check this out I think I improved slightly

[agile rapids]

Damnnm

That's awesome

[worldly flint]

did some harsh vocals, how does it sound?

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/uZuAXvckD78?si=JizOemkm5FpKkrUi

[hoary nacelle]

chest voice fry

[hoary nacelle]

you sound liek the vocalsit for stoort neer

[agile rapids]

Do I take that as a compliment?

[hoary nacelle]

yea

[agile rapids]

Thnx

Kinda new to screaming

[elder condor]

Did some edits on this thread: https://therangeplanet.proboards.com/thread/3398/ryan-kirby?page=1&scrollTo=33216

[rustic canyon]

https://youtu.be/FuCFNg65kgo?si=kdQsot2pS9urXHay
I made a fun little cover of Franka by Mirar

shit wrong post

[sonic sedge]

@copper zenith

[supple jolt]

getting really comfortable with mid false chords, need some more work, but i think this is not half bad.

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/UoskfQHcOXI?si=nwNhh4mItw12ew48

[sand sorrel]

Do my false cords sound safe

[agile rapids]

been searching a band since 2019 and still got not even 1 productive and dedicated band ...

[plush grove]

https://youtu.be/2Pswjj2iUOg

I did a one take cover of Old Data.

Make sure to check out my bands other music, we have a new single coming out soon!

[bold valve]

Been a long time since I posted anything here

[meager pier]

Been a while thought I’d hit y’all with a classic

[bold valve]

Some lows

[supple jolt]

broo the last scream i did very well, wtf.

[agile rapids]

Someone tell me what this is

It's the only way I can scream

False cords or fry?

[stoic basin]

false cord

[whole kraken]

Does anyone have any vocal exercises for someone that’s just starting? (I kinda want to mix Nightmare A7X and some Lamb of God, in case that might help)

[amber star]

Kardavox Academy on YouTube has a phenomenal video for that. https://youtube.com/watch?v=EyCTfCsZmt4

@whole kraken been using it since I found it

may or may not work for you since you're just starting out, but it's always good to pace yourself and warm up when beginning your vocal journey

everybody's body/throat/etc are different so eventually you'll find something that works better for you / suits your needs

His channel is really good for learning techniques too

[whole kraken]

Thank you @amber star

[bold valve]

Some lows

[random adder]

Lows are the one thing I cannot get for the life of me. Mids and Highs, no problem, Lows…. They just refuse like IDK if I’m projecting from the wrong spot but idk how to get them, because every time I do they’re quite as hell unlike the rest of my screams

[meager pier]

My Tip just start at a real low note

That’s always some easy access for lows for me

Cause false chords may not really show any pitch but the pitch is definitely there

So just starting low

Is just a easy way

[north kettle]

This is week 2 of trying to learn how to do inhales

[elder condor]

https://therangeplanet.proboards.com/thread/3667/tim-skipper

Woo! My first new thread in months!

[short oxide]

anyone interested in making a project and running vocals?

[stoic basin]

What kind do you need?

[short oxide]

melodic death metal

cleans too

sorta a Deep Blue Parkway Drive type vibe

[stoic basin]

I only scream so idk if it’s good or not

[short oxide]

uhh

i mean we'd preferably like a bro that can do clean

[stoic basin]

😦

[gloomy birch]

I might be, but I'd have to know a few more details. Plus, I am in another project/band at the moment.

I'm giving a listen to Parkway Drive's Deep Blue right now. I might be able to do similar screams. I can shoot over the song the band I'm in, Fallen Eden, that we recorded for reference, if you need that.

[glass prism]

https://youtu.be/NuVl1k86E4E?si=fZtGkZW8Cn05ZH_G

[pulsar sundial]

Could someone explain how they get into their distortion singing?

I know how to do low growls by coming from a sigh

But when I try distortion I am a very horrible louis Armstrong/cookie monster impressionist

[storm yew]

The Louis armstrong thing would mean you are to tight in the throat.

Best way to start in my opinion, start with a clean vowel I usaly start on Ah, and slowly close your vocal folds well keeping them relaxed (sorta like you are trying to get your voice to crack) you should start to hear some distortion come in.
Practice that before trying to get a bigger sound.

For getting the bigger sound keep the throat open below the vocal folds and very relaxed, keep good core support and pass slightly more air work your way on this, this causes the surrounding tissue to vibrate a bit causing more distortion as well as the chords more.

(I'll send some audio in a second

[pulsar sundial]

Ooo

I was trying to go from low growl, to just do that less and less

[storm yew]

My ass is awful at explaining things over a vidoe but here's a start.
Let me know if it makes any sense at all lmao if not I can try to explain better

[storm yew]

Hopefully those can help a little bit... and this is how I learned is it the best no idea but it has worked for me and some friends so hopefully it can make sense.

[pulsar sundial]

I have a vocal coach as well helping me, but I wanna learn from multiple inputs

Ty

[storm yew]

For sure, having one helps a lot.

[elder condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sVOsPPvlMg&t=114s

One of Jonathan Davis' best vocal performances ever