Vocals

[bold valve]

Thanks man

4 more.

[glass prism]

Tried mixing something myself and uh it kinda sucks

[north kettle]

Warming up for the slaughter to prevail show tonight! Super hyped

[agile pecan]

Hey, i dont know if this is the 'right' question to ask, but what kind of scream style does Sean Harmanis from Make Them Suffer use?

Guy's vocals are just absolutely savage and I would love to try to learn how to do it

[clever mesa]

i'm no vocal expert but it sounds like false cords

[patent lintel]

beautiful

[patent lintel]

to me it sounds like a voiced FC

to get it you have to have a good understanding of where your voice and distortion lies in your throat and how to separate them and put them together

[patent lintel]

you got low dude

nice

[clever mesa]

i dead ass recorded arguments from my school just for this stupid song

[errant spear]

After finding a video of him screaming live, I also think that he uses fc but as he goes up in pitch it becomes fry scream. He blends the techniques well, and that's very common to hear in good vocalists/ screamers. They switch and blend many techniques.

[lean notch]

How the hell am I ever gonna be able to scream more than 5 sec 💀😭

[upper quarry]

fry chords isnt a thing. Inhales are irregular phonation of the vocalfolds (usually vocal folds) which isnt safe. Even just fry with the vocal folds are sketchy

[patent lintel]

Breath control, you are also lucky cause with my asthma I can't get over 3 sec

[lean notch]

Yeah I just dont know hiw to start making it better. And actually now that im timing, 5 sec is too long. 80% of the time I cant even go that long.😣

[patent lintel]

practice and if you can't get past that then maybe look into a vocal coach, Justin Bonitz of Talah and Mark Garret from Kardashev are both vocal coaches that have great reputations if you wanna look into them

there are also hundreds more

Mark has a video on his channel Kardavox Academy where he goes through a check list you should have when looking for a vocal coach

[lean notch]

Thank you!

How long have u been screaming and do u feel like you have improved w the lenght of the screams?

[patent lintel]

I've been doing it for a little under two years. I think I've added a second to my screams. I used to only be able to get like 1 or 2 sec now I got 3 on a regular basis

My goal is to get a 4 or 5 sec scream and I'll be happy with it

[glass prism]

The first time I've cupped ever just to show a example but yuh

[bold valve]

Did a liittle thingy

[lost egret]

I have a question for everyone that does vocals here

How long have you been practicing them?

[bold valve]

Did ehatever this is

[clever mesa]

i'm lazy so dont take it from me but for fry scream it took a year and a half

thats just with a lack of practice though and i never learned false cord screams

[lean notch]

Damn thats good, idk why tf im not able to go high like that

[patent lintel]

What I'm doing for that high is a very breathy head voice. I wouldn't recommend it tbh. It uses so much air I imidiately get a head ach after I do it

I was trying to imitate what Justin Bonitz of Tallah did in LED

At least in the second video, the first one is me trying to do the Mitch Lucker high

[patent lintel]

sounds like you are almost doing fry but not there fully

[bold valve]

Maybe, I am not good with terms and stuff, I mostly just try to make as weird as possible noises.

Stuff like this.

[lost egret]

Still debating on whether or not to post something in here

[lean notch]

I mean why not 😌

[bold valve]

New thingies

[bold valve]

Decided to try to do some more today.

[bold valve]

Finaly managed to pull a maybe decent low.

[patent lintel]

This is upper constiction it's got probably the least amount of power of any scream and even doing for two years It deosn't sound any where near as good as a FC or a fry. I've been doing FC for the same amount of time as upper constriction and FC is just better and more fun to do

FC is really easy to get to start but hard to master. If you do it right you can get a good mid/low in probably under a year with a vocal coach and in like a year going on your own. I'm at just at two years and can do lows, highs, goblin/ highs, and voice screams like Paleface or Kubli Kahn

[lean notch]

Idk if im pushing too hard or smth and it takes away from the lenght. Also I have no breathcontrol I literally started fucking around w vocals again under 3 weeks ago. It would have been so nice to buy the course from Will Ramos but didn't have the money then even tho it was -50%.

Also I might have had my tongue in a bad position and thats why it sounds dryer than usual 🫠

[patent lintel]

Yeah you have a false cord vocal that is being pushed WAY to fucking much. You need to stop pushing so hard RIGHT NOW. That is a one way ticket to vocal damage. Your throat sounds tight too when screaming. Before you start do some vocal warm ups and get luke warm or hot water. NOT cold water NEVER cold water. Cold water makes the muscles in your throat tighten up which can cause strain.

You also have your voice in that scream. You are going to want to take a normal sigh and put a little bit of push into it. Think of a parent telling you to do chores, homework or something else you don't want to do, then just sigh out of frustration. The sensation should feel similar to clearing your throat. Then after you have that noise you are going to want to push with your diaphragm. A way to think of this is to use the muscles you would for pooping and instead of pushing down push up, or you could say the hut without the T. That gives a similar sensation and uses the right muscles. Remember to keep your voice out of the scream. A good way of knowing if you have your voice in or not is to take the sound and remove the distortion slowly. If you hear your voice after you are doing it wrong. What you want is just air coming out.

[lean notch]

Yeah it doesn't feel bad at all tho and yeah I feel like my throat should be more open/relaxed but cant quite figure it out. I think im thinking too much about how low/loud it needs to be and wont let it come out naturally.

[lean notch]

Thank you so much! I will try these when it's not 6AM 🤣 I know I have got it right a few times without my voice in it and throat being more open but something changed idk what fucked that up for me.

[lost egret]

When I get home today I might throw some examples in here of this

Being honest when I hear this the first time it helped immediately

[lean notch]

🙏🏼🙏🏼 I have to go to my car bc it's too loud in the house for practice

[lost egret]

My throat is a little dry today so I don't know if I will

[lost egret]

My high screams are so loud lol

They also hurt my ears when I do the cupping thing

[lean notch]

Yeah dont do it if ur throat is feeling off

[lean notch]

Oh shit haha

[lost egret]

Yeah, I might hop in the shower when I get home just to see if it helps lol

[lean notch]

Yeah, imma go get some mcd and practice at the parkinglot 😄

[lost egret]

I just imagine hearing screaming in a parking lot at night

I'd be out of there lol

[lean notch]

It's embarrassing af when someone walks by you..I just sit here like: 😇

[lean notch]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeJw6KqY/ is that really purely just air bc wth sounds like not but this aint the thing im jumping right into

[patent lintel]

The guy in the video is doing some throat singing with it too giving it that more pulsating sound

Sorry I would have hopped on here earlier to talk but I worked from 7am-4pm today

There is voice in there but it is mixed the correct way. The reason I would not recommend putting voice in at the start is because you can hurt your vocal cords more easily if you do something wrong with a voiced scream

Voiceless is safer to start with and learn on. However, once you are comfortable with it you can start putting voice in it and you can get more projection and some cool tones with it. Alex Terrible for example uses voiceless and voiced screams all the time. He also puts in some throat singing stuff in the opening to Viking

[patent lintel]

That's me but it's my parents walking by when I'm in my car at home lol

[clever mesa]

i remember i was practicing screams in school while taking a piss and someone asked me if i was alright so i just screamed back saying "i'm fine"

i went home after i was so embarrassed

[lean notch]

Lmaoooo thats such a random place

[lean notch]

Haha feel that

[north kettle]

Showing my vocals to alex

[patent lintel]

you are a beast

btw if you are in a band or when you get in one send me the link to the spotify

[north kettle]

I am not in a band haha

[patent lintel]

When you get in one dm me that link

BTW to anyone who wants to learn more about vocals this channel is amazing. I've learned a lot from Mark by watching these videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaV1yY7Zy8w&t=441

[lean notch]

ty!!

[lean notch]

Damn thats sick!!

[north kettle]

Was it appropriate to do that to Alex?

[lean notch]

Yes definetly, I think so. Alex is actually chill, u didn't take too long of their time (I assume there was a line behind the person who filmed). Im sure Alex would be happy to know that he is an inspiration to other vocalist's out there. Also he said it is okay and "hell yeah" after. Love that!

[north kettle]

Awesome! Thank you!

[patent lintel]

Dude I wish I got that opportunity when they came near my city but my parents wouldn't let me go to the show

[patent lintel]

btw if y'all are interested in doing some gross gutterals. Take a mid and make it nasal then use a gutteral mouth shape and plug your nose. It sounds different for everyone but I know that's one of the thing that Dickie Allen did on Blasphimian

[patent lintel]

https://kardavoxacademy.com BTW the guy from Kardavox has an E-Course that is a one type purchase for $80

[north kettle]

Too bad dude. Probably the best show of my life and I’ve been to a few shows. Like I almost cried at the end because I didn’t want their set to end. Like that hour went by like 10 minutes

If you ever get the opportunity, go

The crowd absolutely loses their shit for this band too. I moshed for the first time for one song…. Got knocked the fuck on my ass many times, but every time I got picked up.

Shit was a warzone but it was so good.

[elfin geyser]

ay yo, this is gold holy fuck. As someone who wanted to get into vocals this is like the holy grail. An affordable one-time purchase for a course like this is wild

[remote gorge]

im dicking around with random sounds

it's fun lol

im also ready to start a goregrind band

also excuse the peaking

just a phone afterall

[agile rapids]

Having fun

[agile rapids]

Sounds sick (ahah)

[agile rapids]

Lmaoooo

No seriously it sounds nice even if you have a cold lol

[glass prism]

Just a old thing

[thorny totem]

In y'all's opinion.... Would rapping in your mids help improve pronunciation?

[upper quarry]

Oh no

[upper quarry]

I mean, he is ok for falsecord. Lots of missinformation. And his fry info is just some of the worst.
For falsecord he's solid ye

[patent lintel]

You realise he does this for al iving bro

maybe someone how does it for a living knows more about it than you

[patent lintel]

Nice dude. The thing at where you have puffs of air coming out is something that really adds texture to your screams keep it up. I also like how you did all lows for it. Are you still working on highs or did you just not want to do them?

[patent lintel]

I've done this a lot tbh, but yeah you shouldn't do it if you have a sour throat

lmao I just got to the cough that was out of no where

[patent lintel]

bro got possessed

[patent lintel]

sounds pretty good

[glass prism]

Its actually mids and I didn't do highs because it was over a thing where the song was pitched down but I just did mids on it

heres a older one where i did it normally on mic

[bold valve]

Blew out my voice recently while trying to go way louder than I should in the cold outside, got it somewhat back and made these

And my lows I think sound a bit better.

[patent lintel]

yeah that sounds painful

[stoic basin]

This itches and burns can someone help me fix this?

[patent lintel]

You are doing a FC with your voice. Try just sighing out air with the distortion and not putting your voice into it

Doing a voiced is dangerous if you do it wrong. You can do it in a way that sounds really cool and is safe but it takes time and practice. You should first look up some tutorials on voiceless FC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvQmyYR2k9Y This is the tutorial that helped me out. You could also watch one of the Kardavox Academy videos on Black Tongue or Slaughter to Prevail-Viking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWkNxmhHw2I&t=11s

@stoic basin

[bold valve]

Worked on my lows a bit, and now they sound a bit better and more agresive

[patent lintel]

These are upper constriction/fasle fry. This is not a real scream on it's own, but it is esintial for doing any kind of constriction. You can use small bits of upper constriction to close the airway above your vocal cords to make a tighter/thinner sound. Paired with a FC scream it can sound really cool. I've been working on this myself to try to make my FC screams sound better

[stoic basin]

Idk how to take my voice out

[patent lintel]

You can't take it fully out

You just want to make sure that the distortion is the thing that you hear most

[stoic basin]

ah okay. i wanna do more like old deathcore stuff with my FC like Old bring me the horizon

[patent lintel]

don't

Olli has never been good about keeping his vocals healthy. Especially the older screams

if you wanna do old school deathcore type stuff go for a Phil Bozeman or Eddie Herminda

Eddie's lows are fc and his highs are fry. Phil's vocals are a mix of aritinoid and fc

[stoic basin]

i know phil but not Eddie. i really only listen to Shadow of intent and old bring me

[patent lintel]

Old BMTH sounds just like Suicide Silence check em out sometime

[stoic basin]

Mitch Lucker was my favourite vocalist in middle school up until freshman year of high school

[patent lintel]

Eddie was the vocalist of All Shall Perish and is the current vocalist of SS. Bro is a beast and his vocals can teach you a lot

[agile rapids]

Having fun (videos sending )

[agile rapids]

Suicide silence rocks :p
Love the lead singer's voice ngl

I'm not good enough to do analysis but I can recognize some fucking talent when I see some and gah damn that guy has some

[clever mesa]

i honestly might practice singing more tbh

[patent lintel]

Sounds like a super lose FC/arytenoidal distortion going on there. Very cool stuff @north kettle

[patent lintel]

I wasn't really worried about keeping my cleans sounding good at all

Just fucking around after my shift tonight

[dry valve]

I found the way to scream like M shadow from a7x

[patent lintel]

As long as you are doing it safely that super cool @dry valve

[dry valve]

Oh yeah look

Thats me

Dont worry

[patent lintel]

Sounds like a pretty good fry

I always thought that Shadows used a fry but was never sure cause no one ever talked about his scream

Keep working on it dude

[dry valve]

Thanks stay safe

[north kettle]

Yo how much hate am I allowed to put in my lyrics without getting the cops called on me?

(I’m American)

[patent lintel]

I mean don't name names and you should be good bro

I mean there are some fucked up lyrics in grindcore and death metal shit so you can really write whatever, but I'd suggest not putting any names in

Slipknot's song Disasterpiece started with "I wanna slit your throat and fuck the wound"

[lean notch]

This is literally the first example I also had in mind (dont really like the lyrics💀)

How should I start trying Pelle's vocals (the freezing moon) His voice is so strong in it

[neat furnace]

Anyone have tips for low fry scream

[patent lintel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0oP4k7hNro&t=3s This is the best fry video I've seen online

[neat furnace]

I've already watched them all and no help

Extreme vocal institute is how I learned high and mid fry,

[patent lintel]

I'd suggest doing the basic dropping jaw and puckering lips thing for lows tha I do for FC. Then slightly lower your voice from your mid to what you would consider a low voice.

try it with cleans before putting the distortion on it

[neat furnace]

Eh, I moved from gutterals to fry so I have grasp on lows

But I have no clue how to false chord

[patent lintel]

Gutterals are a position not a distoriton method wdym

[neat furnace]

Placement with your jaw lips and tounge all alter the sound of a gutteral

[patent lintel]

yes

A low is simply removing the special shit you do with your tongue.

Same mouth shapes but the tongue would be in the position of mids

at least that's what I do

[neat furnace]

Eh, I'll give it a shot

I'll be back later with results

[patent lintel]

ok

@neat furnace

[neat furnace]

Helpful

Thx man

[neat furnace]

I think I got it hold on

Small take, sounds allright

Yeah I got it

[stoic basin]

idk what this is but it sounds cool

[patent lintel]

Fake fry

[stoic basin]

it doesn't hurt or anything

[patent lintel]

Fake fry doesn't hurt if you do it right

it's just not as impressive as real fry or FC

[stoic basin]

i can do true fry as well but i was messing around

[patent lintel]

yeah fake fry is something that you can combine with other screams if you do it right

It's just a strategic narrowing of the vocal tracks to make something be more compressed. Just want to make sure you don't over do it

[stoic basin]

that's my real fry scream

[patent lintel]

nice

[stoic basin]

i am learning fake fry because i want to have more in my toolbox.

[patent lintel]

yeah

Fake fry is something that is better used with FC vocals to compress them

[stoic basin]

most people told i am doing false fold fry + arytenoid distortion when i do the "fake fry"

[patent lintel]

False fold fry isn't a thing

[stoic basin]

that's a hybrid if i remember correctly.

cause i am doing false cord in a fry position i think

i am gonna go to the Ent soon so i can confirm what i am doing

[dry valve]

Guys i found the Way of add a bit grit in my voice

[honest violet]

Absolutely love how my vocals sound here😮‍💨😤 https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0f99DlMumu/?igshid=ODhhZWM5NmIwOQ==

ascenciafl

Here’s a small teaser for y’all’s ear holes to enjoy🤫 best part is, it only gets heavier😈 #deathcore #myspacedeathcore #beatdown #breakdown #djent #floridadeathcore #floridametal #browardcountymetal

Instagram

[willow axle]

sick amon amarth poster

[stoic basin]

@patent lintel what do you think?

[patent lintel]

sounds ok

but wtf are those giggles at the end

[stoic basin]

i was happy.

i haven't been able to scream for like a month

[patent lintel]

Well it sounds good

[stoic basin]

i don't know what's make the distortion tho

[patent lintel]

idk

sounds like a mix of fry and fake fry tbh

[stoic basin]

that's cool

[lean notch]

that hihihi made me smile haha

[stoic basin]

I haven’t had a moment like that in a long while

[lean notch]

It's always so nice to hear if u make progress!

[azure silo]

Ima keep exploring

[north kettle]

I mean I was thinking about writing lyrics similar to spite. Like pissed off “fuck you, I wanna blow out your brains” shit

[north kettle]

People say I’m pretty good at screams, and most vocalists(at least the big ones), will tell you the same thing. Practice, practice, practice. It may hurt, and that’s okay. Just don’t stay there. Yes it’s important to learn techniques, but you will learn nothing if you don’t take time to practice. Most vocalists just started doing vocals in the shower and found something that sticks. Also imitation helps a lot too. I get my super lows by screaming along to Alex terrible. Basically, it’s okay to hurt, but if it hurts, try different things to make that not hurt, and practice, practice, practice. Even if it’s just going to your car or a quiet place and sounding like an idiot. Be comfortable with sounding goofy, as sounding goofy is the point here

[clever mesa]

layered but still filthy

[gusty owl]

to make it sound wider, pan some left and some right

[patent lintel]

GET THE PRIEST HE'S POSSESSED

[patent lintel]

How to get your FC highs higher

[lean notch]

damn gotta try that when I get to my car and a spot no one is passing by haha

[patent lintel]

That's sick

[lean notch]

I feel like I might do it wrong bc it came so easily and as a female I cant compare our voices that much haha

[patent lintel]

Just takes time and practice

took me about 6 months to get it right

[flint canopy]

say AAAA IIIIII and between the a and the iiiiiii there is gonna be Your higher scream. Also try to lean towards your voice rather than on the distortion and then pick a higher note in Your falsetto

[patent lintel]

No, using falsetto with FC is a really good way to fuck up your voice.

Never go above your vocal break with FC

Unless you want to get vocal damage

[flint canopy]

You know that FC is based on the falsetto right?

[patent lintel]

No it's not

FC is using the same sound as when you clear your voice

[flint canopy]

Oh I'm not talking about combining them

[patent lintel]

You clearly don't understand the anatomy of the voice. Everything I am saying is what I know from TAKING VOCAL LESSONS

[flint canopy]

.

Ok my english is fucked up

idk how to explain what I'm trying to say

[patent lintel]

Falsetto is head voice. Doing any FC distortion in your headvoice WILL give you vocal damage

[flint canopy]

Yeah but I'm not trying to tell You to do it while screaming

[flint canopy]

i see what i did there.

my mistake

i confused falsetto with the voice below it

[patent lintel]

Ok, but if you tell someone to pick a note in falsetto and then tell them to pitch the scream that high it's going to make them scream in falsetto. You have to pick a note that is under your vocal break. No matter what there is a note when you are screaming so if you pitch in falsetto you are screaming in falsetto

[flint canopy]

idk i dont know english names

[patent lintel]

It's fine just make sure that we are talking about the same thing before starting a discussion

[flint canopy]

Yeah i just confused the two and i totally forgot the other name

[patent lintel]

Chest voice is what people normally speak in, and head voice/falsetto are the notes above your vocal break

[flint canopy]

That's it

thank You

[lean notch]

Im tryna fry scream and I sound like rusty gates of hell, I mean I dont mind it if im not damaging my voice. My neighbours must love me for training fry scream at almost 10PM

[patent lintel]

TBH I don't know anything about fry

[lean notch]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeLF6w84/ i followed this one

[north kettle]

what is the cheapest way to soundproof vocals, main purpose being to make sure my voice is quiet?

[patent lintel]

I swear I saw a video on it from Opal in Sky on either youtube or instagram

[patent lintel]

Yeah fry is really easy to hold for a long time. Also that sounds good to me. Again I'm not a fry vocalist so I don't know much about it, but you could try posting a clip of your vocals on the screaming reddit I know there are some really good fry vocalist on there

[patent lintel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH0VQZop6wU&list=PLbZPqm-8cz745l216KIIfvLmJGlz_rMaB&index=2

They explain some of what they do and I think that in the video they talked about the little vocal booth cost like $300 in total for building it. And it was all stuff from Home Depot

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0Kq3kmup4N4

I can't find the video where they actually build it anymore

[north kettle]

bro i love opal in sky

[lean notch]

Haha im scared to do so but maybe some day. This feels very natural and doesn't feel forced in any way so i'll keep doing this for a while. It's hard to "open up" the voice perfectly while maintaining the compression. My neighbours will absolutely loose it w me now but hey 🫡

[north kettle]

Is this good for just dampening what comes into the mic, or more what comes out? Because that’s what I’m worried about. It’s like I wanna record at least something but I live with a mom that’s against my satanic screaming

[lean notch]

Dont take the vocals too seriously but jesus it's always so embarrassing when ik she can hear me and she just looks at me like: heyy...

[patent lintel]

It's dampening the sounds that YOU are making. The mic is going to pick up the same sound as with no dampening (but it's going to be just the vocals). It will make it so your mom isn't as mad at you. However, I haven't done this myself I just look stuff up ocasionally for when I move out of my parents house.

[patent lintel]

I did a thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekA2R5j9Rfc

audio quality is bad. I'll do a better one later

[stoic basin]

Fry screams dry me out and it feels scratchy when I scream after not drinking water. I think I am going something wrong

[lean notch]

The sensation shouldn't be too high up. When doing fry I feel nothing else than the compression itself and u really dont need much power to it. It's really light. My main problem is that sometimes I cant balance between the compression and relaxed enough throat.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeLU4DFt/

[patent lintel]

screaming with a kazoo?

[lean notch]

nice

[north kettle]

This is an updated version of a cover of Viking I did. I didn’t do much editing on it, and only used one track. Hope you enjoy!

[lean notch]

damn nice!

[remote gorge]

oi

yall got tips for pig squeals

i cannot hit them mfs very well lol

and mids too

im awful at mids lol

[clever mesa]

that last part hurt

[misty fable]

i tried lol

the first time i did it for that lon too

should i try doing a breakdown from Atilla

[misty fable]

i tried. had to use the music to guide me through it lol.

[lean notch]

I need tips too, I can only make this weird one.. I dont even know what kinda squeal it is lmao

[north kettle]

Imitate your favorite artists. Keep trying new approaches until you figure it out. Hurt your voice, but if you hurt it, correct yourself. Listen to your favorite artists who pig squeal, and then practice it over and over and over again

[remote gorge]

yeah see that is what ive been doing lol

[north kettle]

So practice more and more

[remote gorge]

my point is ive done all sorts of things and havent found a sound that's what im looking for

im just wondering if there's a specific technique

[north kettle]

Honestly I get that

Sorry haha

[remote gorge]

sorry for what?

you did nothing wrong friend

[patent lintel]

Decided to do a Slipknot cover today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5FljalKzjs

[stoic basin]

I screamed on the top of my lungs

[patent lintel]

The technique you are using isn't loud at all

[stoic basin]

I have a clip of me screaming from across my room

[misty fable]

i would say start with projecting. it sounds like your constipated when you start it ngl. and im not trying to make fun of you. its just how it sounds.

[stoic basin]

i am still in the figuring out stage. i started to fry scream like 14 or 15 days ago.

[misty fable]

try just trying deep vocals.

[misty fable]

look at this one.

[lean notch]

The most adorable sound I've ever made for sure

[north kettle]

this is me yesterday doing warmups

this is my routine every day lol

[clever mesa]

ayy i made converge song :3

[stoic basin]

@misty fable @patent lintel

[patent lintel]

Sounds a lot better

Hell yeah keep that practice up

Just don't over work your voice

[stoic basin]

my fry screams got some what better. i need to practice a lot so i can do skramz vocals

[lean notch]

One day I was out for a smoke on my backyard and someone far away was doing vocals and im so fucking sad I couldnt go up to him like "teach me pls" 😭🤣

[lean notch]

@north kettle how tf do u do the r rolling in gutturals like Alex? Cant wrap my head around it haha

Didn't u do cover of viking?

[clever mesa]

i had way too much energy while recording this but whatever

[stoic basin]

yo that's sick

[north kettle]

Honestly straight up I wish I could give you an answer lol, and maybe later today I will give a more detailed response, but it is 12am haha. Tbh I really have no clue how I do any of my screams. I didn’t even know what I was doing there was called a guttural. I’ve noticed while doing the scream, placing the tounge closer to the top of your mouth helps a bit, but that’s something I discovered so recently that It was after the cover itself

A lot of it when it comes to that stuff is about what kind of shape youre doing with your mouth and where your tongue is

There is a lot of things you can really play with.

If you want one day I can explain in a call or something.

[north kettle]

Here is my attempt at explaining

[patent lintel]

Thats some solid lows my dude

although I wouldn't drop my larynx that much, you should be able to get lows without dropping very much at all

[north kettle]

I mean I also am not hurting myself and it sounds good haha

[patent lintel]

Yeah just don't strain to pull it down

And it does sound really good

[lean notch]

Thank u!☺️ I have to try again when I have time to drive my car away from people haha

[clever mesa]

this breakdown is so good i had to put vocals over it low key ruined it but idc

[north kettle]

That’s literally my only time I get to scream haha. It’s all about car time

[bold valve]

My first attempt at a vocal style I normaly don't use

[lean notch]

Frrr I hate running into my neighbour after a 30 min screaming session😭💀

[clever mesa]

my parents always just let me practice it normally in my room so i guess i'm kinda lucky

[north kettle]

I run into troubles with recording myself, because that has to be done in the house, and so I have to abide by not doing it after 7, but not before 12, and I also work pretty late unfortunately so it’s getting harder to record stuff at home

So I practice songs in car, and then hope I have time to record at home if work doesn’t screw me over

[stoic basin]

Same

[nova bobcat]

Been practicing screaming for like 2 years, is this any good? And I'd appreciate any feedback on how I could make my screams better 👍

IDK why my video looks like that 😂

Oh nevermind, it fixed itself

[shadow canyon]

use more diaphragm and look up tutorials on how to use the area between your chest voice and head voice to create a fry sound

you sound like you’re using your throat too much which can be harmful

you also want to use more diaphragm to project so you dont have the whisper sound

[nova bobcat]

@shadow canyon thanks broski. I'm not really trying to make a fry sound, I'm pretty sure it's false cord. Do you have any tips on activating false cords without the using your throat, I didn't think that was even possible? Thanks for the feedback, man👍

[clever mesa]

i got new mic but my dumbass lost the interface so i have to wait til tomorrow

[north kettle]

So I have a really dumb question here, but I’ve realized my interface doesn’t work on my Mac. Is there a way to make it work or is my Mac just too underpowered for it?

[shadow canyon]

dont know as much abt false chords but as far as I know you dont want much action in your throat, if you’re sore, gravely, or uncomfortable at all in your throat, thats not correct

[shadow canyon]

still should be using diaphragm for power

[clever mesa]

never used a mac tbh

[nova bobcat]

@shadow canyon hey thanks a lot man, I appreciate the help 😌. I'll keep those things in mind 👍

[shadow canyon]

np

[north kettle]

This is the blinking usb issue. I wanna use my Mac so I can take this mic and record in my car

[clever mesa]

i dont use that interface so i'm clueless tbh

[clever mesa]

i finally set it up

[stoic basin]

still sick but it sounds okay

[bold valve]

Random stuff

[clever mesa]

i'm sorry

[nova bobcat]

Bro, how do you do those snarling vocals from the first two videos? Sounds like inhales, right?

[bold valve]

Some are some are not, wish I could help you but honestly I have no clue how I am doing it, I just try things out and eventually figure out what does what but I can't explain it cuz I don't really understand it.

[nova bobcat]

Ahhh I gotcha 👍 sounds sick, mane.

[bold valve]

Thanks m8.

[nova bobcat]

FS

[topaz basin]

Just learned the hook, verse, and bridge to the new Darko US song Shanghai. Recorded it on my phone. Lmk what u think 🤘🏻

[stoic basin]

@patent lintel

[misty fable]

I need some advice. When I do deep ass screams for more than a minute with minimal breathing for lyrics and shit, I start to cough really fucking bad and I almost throw up everytime. Is there any way to avoid this and is there any exercises I can do to better myself?

I will send an audio of what I am doing so yall know. It is me making the breakdown on Neon Tide more Lorna/Shore like as I try to base my vocals off that band.

And if there is any advice on improving my screams it would be very appreciated.

[north kettle]

ive had those before so i definitely feel ya. try to stay away from your throat as much as possible. it sounds to me its a bit throaty. i dont really know how to put it into words, but its kinda all about like, imagine youre pissed off and you wanna fog up a window. you sigh into that window but like, pissed off. then increase that energy. also its a different technique than those gutteral lows it feels like youre trying to utilize. theyre using fry screams.

but for those lows, focus more about how youre using your chest and air, rather than your throat

and mouth shape helps a lot too

work with your mouth more than your throat. the tighter the lips the more low youre gonna get. the more open your lips the more high you can get

think of it like a butthole

pucker up that butt and a brown note will be better. open it wide and those higher screams will be better

(not trying to be weird, just an example)

sorry for the whole ass book lol

also from experience, almost passing out from lack of air is MUCH better than hurting for a day after your screaming sesh haha. lack of air just means practice more and you can go longer

[stoic basin]

raw vocals

[clever mesa]

i was bored ok?

[clever mesa]

yo my vocals on fleek

[patent monolith]

Acoustic version of “In the end” on the street

[pure mirage]

andy hitting a fucking F6 on translucent makes me unreasonably happy and angry

[unborn sparrow]

Can someone please give me some advice on how my screams sound

[stoic basin]

screams feel good

[turbid kestrel]

Anyone have any experience with doing screams through a mxl 990, I cant tell if my processing is bad or if this isnt the mic for screaming.

I tried to write a slipknot song but i only have experience with clean singing processing

[north kettle]

I scare myself sometimes

[lyric dune]

Assistance?

Trying to do vocals for the first time, haven’t got any training and I need some help with growing my voice

[lyric dune]

It kinda sucks

[clever mesa]

i'm bored

[stoic basin]

@clever mesa

[bold valve]

Poorly done thingy

[storm yew]

What in the world kind of vocal did I discover

I might try learning this and tracking it into something

It's a low relaxed inhale... Going to play around with different positions.

[clever mesa]

why did you rip the foam off?

[storm yew]

A lot of people take it off for some vocals...

I mean even Alex does it...
https://youtu.be/Bs_ye5IxHoY?si=q6eP_pIUcMCzN-yd

[bold valve]

Here's some lows that aren't the greatest

[clever mesa]

i tried doing bryans scream

[north kettle]

So does spiritbox

[storm yew]

I use an SM58 and to my knowledge it has the same microphone in it as the sm7b although they sound different not sure if they are EQed different or what...

[bold valve]

My lows still aren't the best but have definetly improved

[north kettle]

they are hardcore not the same mic. completely different ballgame

i own both

the sm58 retails at like $100. its an amazing stage mic. its good for being on stage. the sm7b is $500 and requires a powerful enough interface or most likely a cloud lifter, which is another $100

the sm7b is amazing for recordings and its the thing most artists use

nobody uses sm58s for recording, nobody uses sm7bs for the stage

[north kettle]

I do my best screaming when Taylor swift is playing

[willow axle]

idk

[arctic girder]

My highs dont hurt but they sound like shit. Any tips?

[storm yew]

To me it sounds like you are getting to tight and just need to relax more.

[arctic girder]

Word

[storm yew]

Seems like you have the right spot for vocal fry maybe just trying to lower where you are perceiving it which might just come with relaxing more.
You want the vocal fold closer together but you don't want to restrict their ability to vibrate

[arctic girder]

Ohh ok 👍 thanks

[stoic basin]

any tips/Advice?

[bold valve]

Trying smth new and somehow this doesn't hurt.

Yep, this is cursed

[bold valve]

Unrelated to my previous things, this just me working on my lows

[bold valve]

More of the screechy vocal thing

[honest violet]

Attempting alligator lows

[bold valve]

More of that weird stuff

[amber star]

sounds sick bro

[lean notch]

Damn thats nice, where does the vibration come from or like what position is ur tongue in?🫢

[north kettle]

So small question. Basically, when I’m doing vocals casually, it’s great, doesn’t hurt, and sounds good, but when recording, I tend to overdo it, and it ends up hurting, I lose breath, and it sounds awful. Are there any tips on the recording process and how to avoid this?

[storm yew]

Don't be loud with screams this doesn't mean get tight and small you still want a big sound.
It's ironic screams are usally more quiet, volume comes from studio work you still want volume in your screams but as you said, you over do it.

You could also be getting a bit tense when recording so remembering to stay lose.

There is a lot of production done to raw studio vocals.

For gutturals and screams that don't use the vocals folds you can be loud.
I'm generally fine with slightly damaging the soft tissues in my throat and mouth though best to leave it to a minimum.

Learning what damaged vocal folds feels like rather then just damaged soft tissue is something good to learn. With you saying you are losing your breath that could be from to much constriction or passing to much air over the folds, which is common with fry screams yet you don't need much air to get the folds to vibrate.

[north kettle]

I mean it’s like my screams are so good when not being tense and it’s a chill setting, but as soon as it’s recording I get nerves haha

Also my screams in general are pretty loud

[storm yew]

You can be loud although as also a choir singer the amount of volume produced during that is so much louder then any scream...

That makes sense though, recording and performing can get the nerves going just something to work on staying relaxed.

[north kettle]

Is there anything I can do with my setup to discourage getting too nervous and hurting myself, or is it just a learning thing?

[storm yew]

Breathing is a big one, there are lots of things you can do but you have to learn how to stay focused.
As a musician when performing you actually tend to dissociate in a very specific way and learning how to do that and get into what is called the flow state takes time but can be achieved with practice

[bold valve]

Should I stop doing these or double down? It doesn't hurt me but it starting to sound very cursed.

[storm yew]

If you could get it consistent might be useful but currently kinda dumb in my opinion

[lean notch]

Can u guys think of a song that would be good one to start with when u want to scream words? So far i've just mostly done the sounds. I was thinking maybe doing some lows. A song w a few words and it has to be quite slow 😂

[storm yew]

I mean it's up to you but I started off with consonants and vowls getting down the speaking part of those first

[lean notch]

I've been going through "my final breath swallowed by the womb of death" million times😅

[storm yew]

Haha makes sense

[north kettle]

Your favorite song. Literally. You’re gonna pick it up the more you enjoy doing it

[hollow apex]

without warm up its kinda hard

[bold valve]

Some lows, ignore the background noises

[storm yew]

My friend had me scream through their karaoke box, this was also recorded using phone audio so kinda crap as well as discord wouldn't let me send the full thing but here's some messing around

[lean notch]

nicee!!

[lean notch]

I literally dont understand how u get that rolling sound damn

[hollow apex]

im trying to do it for a month but im still not good at it i think

[lean notch]

No dude it sound really good!

[bold valve]

Ok so I am a tea kettle now apparently

[bold valve]

Some of my snarls

[dire lion]

i got tips from jason evans of ingested on how to do it

[lean notch]

Where is the tip of ur tongue?

[storm yew]

Is it an inhale or exhale?

[hollow apex]

oh thanks mate

[dire lion]

exhale

[dire lion]

its like on top of my mouth and then for the guttural its like on the bottom ish

[hollow apex]

https://youtu.be/HRhV55qV16k

i tried my best

[lean notch]

behind the front teeth or?

[lean notch]

Damn this is fucking sick!!!

[hollow apex]

thanks man

[dire lion]

yes

[amber star]

sounds dope homie

that guttural flutter grr thing is hard to get down

[clever mesa]

that guy did not use fry, theres no way

[stoic basin]

Vocals sound bad 🤕🤕🤕

[clever mesa]

still not finished, i need to redo some of them

[north kettle]

How does one snarl? Like will Ramos in to the hell fire, or in flowers and butterflies lullaby by axty? I can’t find any tutorials

[storm yew]

I breath in through my nose and mouth with a lot of nasal closure

[flint canopy]

so here are vocals along with my instrumental

and i had no idea what to sing

so i screamed the unanswered lyrics

they're quiet on purpose

[stoic basin]

progress

[wraith mesa]

https://youtu.be/kzkET7IvGLc

[clever mesa]

damn, i swear a lot more than i thought i did

[patent lintel]

It takes time bro. I'm 20 months in and I feel like I'm at a wall

I don't even feel that I got it down right how I want it. It took me about 3 months to even get it to where it didn't hurt me every time I did screams

It took probably another year to understand how to do a high without killing my voice

It takes a long time to understand everything about vocals and even longer to put it into practice. I'd suggest looking up some Kardavox Academy videos if you wanna learn some stuff for free.

[stoic basin]

idk just testing my highs and stuff

[hollow apex]

https://youtu.be/HRhV55qV16k?si=hAJp5BjfkjCwPKOL can someone give me feedback what should i improve

[hollow apex]

https://youtu.be/D6zIthE_ORo

[patent lintel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xgJ4HKyYSo

[stoic basin]

vocals are bad 😦

[clever mesa]

in y'alls opinion, which scream is the best? (some of these are a bit loud btw)

[patent lintel]

Sounds fucking sick to me bro

[clever mesa]

better than mine, thats for sure

[stoic basin]

I was trying to do a combination of 2013 Oli and 2008 Oli and that happened

[bold valve]

Was out of town today, decided to practice in the forest

[patent lintel]

Nice

[bold valve]

Thanks m8

[clever mesa]

@patent lintel

[lean notch]

I'd shit my pants hearing that 2nd one in a forest ngl

[bold valve]

Thank you!

[storm yew]

I'd start communicating back

[patent lintel]

Be careful with inhales they can mess you up if your not careful. Also that is fucking hilarious

[patent lintel]

Nice dude. Were those highs you

BTW if anyone here ever wants to talk vocals with me I'm down. I don't check this server all the time, but if you @ me I'll show up

I'm bored most of the time and like talking about this shit a lot

[glass prism]

Yea

[patent lintel]

Hell yeah

[hollow apex]

https://youtu.be/A915WQiMKGk

[velvet bay]

Gdaygday Guys
Any of you got good recommendations for a studio mic? Ive heard the rode nt1 was a ride or die for a lot of guys
However I’m not sure how well it handels metal vocals
Any insight or better options?

[clever mesa]

the mic i use is the shure sm7b theres probably better ones out there though

[velvet bay]

I should’ve clarified
My bad
Im a tiny bit on a budget
I don’t want to economize too much so the quality goes down but also don’t want to spend double or triple for a small upgrade(I’ll do that in the future)
Im looking up to a max of 250

[clever mesa]

the rode ntusb worked pretty well when i used it, just make sure youre not too close to it when screaming

[north kettle]

Most producers prefer an SM7b

Definitely the go to if you can

I personally don’t like the sound of it but producers like me more when they see that

Plus literally ever musical artist ever uses it

I’d recommend saving up for it

Even nik uses it

[turbid kestrel]

anybody ever tried an aston spirit, rn its between that and an sm7b

[left ferry]

Any advice on getting better at death vocals? I've been practicing for a few months now but I don't really think I've progressed a lot, I feel like I sound like a broken lawnmower

?

[patent lintel]

Send in a clip of your vocals. I'll see if I can give you some pointers

[left ferry]

just give me a sec I gotta reinstall audacity

[patent lintel]

ok

[storm yew]

I'll see if I got anything as well... best advice get vocal lessons.

If it's death vocals and you are doing guttural screams and it sounds like a lawnmower to me that seems like to much closure and to tense in the throat. I similar thing can apply to vocal fry

[left ferry]

can I send them privately?

[patent lintel]

sure

[storm yew]

You get your vocals somewhat figured out?

[left ferry]

yeah, thanks

[storm yew]

Great, keep practicing and have fun

[velvet bay]

Is there an easy way to practice open throat technique? Ive been trying to apply vocal fry while singing with power but I never get consistent results

[storm yew]

Vocal fry comes from closer in the vocal folds.
You generally always want to have your throat open when doing most vocal techniques, allowing for airflow over the vocal folds when doing fry or gutturals.

What vocal technique are you trying to achieve? I'm assuming a guttural based on what you replied to. 
The distorted sound comes from the vibration of the loose tissue in the throat as well as the vocal folds, but in this case, you want the vocal folds to be loose and open due to the amount of air that gets pushed through the throat and over the vocal folds when doing gutturals. Having too much closer in the folds is what leads to damage to them.

Hopefully that's helpful and I can further expand with more information.

To anyone else if I shared something wrong please correct me.

When it comes to vocal fry a lot of the volume comes from the microphone and production you generally don't want to be that loud with fry due to the closer you need you can damage the vocal folds.

[velvet bay]

To be completely honest
Im as far as i can tell in a very early stage of learning to control things like this

Outside of being able to attain a little bit of fry and experimenting with my voice for a long time I haven’t ever really trained my voice that much( I am very much on pitch tho)

I just haven’t found the correct way to sing with power and hetfield(to give a basic example of the simple distortion) like distortion and switch it up comfortably from 0-100 and back

I guess that’s the best way to describe it

With that in mind I appreciate any and all advice :)

[storm yew]

I'm currently headed out and will be busy all night so I can't answer to many questions today but feel free to DM me with any questions and I'll get back as soon as I can

[opaque hearth]

Core vocalist looking for band, short snippet to showcase

[potent perch]

Hey guys, if I want to try to learn how to do the cricket gutturals used in Slam Death metal, do I first need to be able to do a false cord scream? Or should I just try to do the cricket sound first?

[bold valve]

Some random vocal stuff.

[agile rapids]

Any vocalists would be interested in doing something industrial?

[patent lintel]

What?

[patent lintel]

You should be able to do either FC or fry before trying do do any scream

to have an understanding of what the feeling of vocal distortion is and what it is not.

[agile rapids]

Looking for vocalists Interested in working on some industrial metal

[patent lintel]

ah

I read that right after I got home from work and my brain was fried

[potent perch]

I don't know if that's correct kargyraa, but it feels very projected and takes good breath control and it's just as easy as talking. If it is kargyraa, how can I get into a false cord scream from that sound.

Also I wanna add that I feel a lot of the throat singing sound sensation in my chest.

[potent perch]

@patent lintel Bro your false cord screams sound awesome 😎 Do you think I'm doing kargyraa right? I'm kinda sick RN, my kargyraa is about the same volume as my yelling voice, but just as easy to do as talking.

[patent lintel]

TBH I never did Kargyraa. A lot of the people on the screaming reddit do it so you might post something there

[potent perch]

Cool! Thanks man!

[potent perch]

I found that I can easily do kargyraa, I just need to work on transitioning from karg to a false cord scream. I'll be sure to post a clip when I can 😁

[opaque hearth]

BUMPING

[storm yew]

It's close it sounds a bit off but with practice you probably can get it

[potent perch]

What sounds off about it? And also how can I improve?

[storm yew]

It could just be the microphone... I'm also not using a good speaker so I don't want to give to much feedback as I don't have much experience in throat singing I just can do it.

[potent perch]

Well, I found out this morning that I was lacking a nasal twang in my kargyraa, so I think that might be it. Either way, thanks for the feedback man! When I feel like I'm good enough, I'll drop a clip of me going from karg to fc.

[bold valve]

Some weird stuff

[potent perch]

This is my false cord that I did using kargyaa. Am I doing anything wrong?

[storm yew]

To me it sounds like you are to tense in the throat, try relaxing more as well less closer in the throat.

[potent perch]

Aight thanks man

[storm yew]

closure*

[potent perch]

Bro please let me know if you join a band, I would love to hear those wild vocals over a metal track🔥

[bold valve]

Thanks m8

Will do if I do

[potent perch]

👍

[bold valve]

Two last thingies for today

[potent perch]

What do you think of my false cord screams?

[bold valve]

It's ok, could be improved but I am not really good at giving advice, I mostly just try random stuff out and eventualy get smth worthwhile.

[potent perch]

Oh gotcha, thanks man

[patent lintel]

That is fucking awesome

Your fry is coming along really well

[stoic basin]

Thank you so much!

[potent perch]

@bold valve Hellfire

@patent lintel What do you think of my false cord scream? Is there anything that I'm missing?

[patent lintel]

You aren't supporting right. You need to push using your diaphragm rather than your throat. You also are barely activating it. That's ok for now, but once you have down proper breath support you need to activate your FC more.

[potent perch]

Aight thanks 🔥 I'll work on that 👍

[patent lintel]

Absolutely dude. When you start to activate more it might be a little uncomfortable at first. You have to be very careful with it and not push too much. FC screams take a good amount of air but not a bunch of air. You are looking for a place of comfort and control most of all.

[potent perch]

Awesome, I'll continue posting clips of my progress so far 😁

[potent perch]

Hey Ryan, one last question. How would I go about activating my false cords "more"? I feel like I'm activating them as best as I can.

[patent lintel]

I'm going to refer you to watch some Kardavox Academy videos on that. As well as Hungry Lights videos. Extreme Vocal Institute is also great. I'm not a vocal coach and don't want to give you advice on starting to make distortion. I don't want to start you on bad habbits that would hurt you in the long run

[storm yew]

Relaxing you are way to tight

[patent lintel]

The FC vs Fry scream video on Extreme Vocals Institue channel was what helped me get my FC started. It might help you @potent perch

[potent perch]

Awesome dude! Thanks a ton, I appreciate it 😀

[potent perch]

Aight thanks man 👍

Hey guys I checked out Kardavox Academy but I couldn't really find anything other than "Vocal Analysis" videos. Are there any videos by Kardavox Academy that actually teach screaming?

[storm yew]

Never heard of it... Learning vocals through video's in my eyes is incredibly hard.

[potent perch]

Same

Dang Metal Vocals chat is kinda dead. Apparently not many people like screaming lol 😞

[patent lintel]

Yeah he goes through and explains what people are doing in different songs. He gives a lot of tips on fundamentals but no tuturials for the basic screams. Extreme Vocal Institute has a video explaining FC and Fry. Justin Bonitz made a mini tutorial on his channel Hungry Lights it was a short he made. It's pretty good. I hope he makes a full video like he did with fry

[potent perch]

Aight that's neat, I'll make sure to watch some of those videos.

@patent lintel Do you happen to know why there's not many people here in Vocals chat? I'd think everyone would be hanging out here 😉

[patent lintel]

Idk, not many vocalists in the discord.

I simply come here to give the ocasonal dip and post some clips of my vocals

[potent perch]

Aight I gotcha. Hopefully more metalheads decide to pick up on that screamy stuff 😀

*proceeds to sound like someone taking a crap and crying at the same time

🤣

[patent lintel]

lol

The sounding like taking a shit is good. The crying pert we can work on a bit. lol. Toilet bowl gutturals are a pretty cool sound

[storm yew]

Start with clean vocals always first, if you can't do it clean you can't do it distorted

[patent lintel]

That's not always true

[storm yew]

Generally

[patent lintel]

Generally yes but there are always exceptions

[stoic basin]

bad vocals 😦

[patent lintel]

Not bad at all. This sounds really good. You need to work on your delivery a little bit but your screams themselves sound sick. It's like a really well made meal with no seasoning. Add a little bit of spices. Some weird mouth shapes and tongue placements. Do some weird dumb sounding voicces with your clean voice then try them with your screaming

Your cleans also need a little bit of work

[stoic basin]

Thanks for the advice. i am gonna try it

[stoic basin]

there isn't cleans in the songs but i am gonna work on cleans

[patent lintel]

There was a small section at the end where you weren't screaming and had your true voice. It just sounded a little bland there.

[stoic basin]

that's just how my voice sounds.

[patent lintel]

Ok

I mean you can change how your voice sounds if you want to. I hated how my voice sounded so I started fucking with it and changed how I talk entirely

[stoic basin]

i been wanting to do that

like i really want a female speaking voice

[patent lintel]

I mean you could get that. Just going to take time and practice

Just like anything else with your voice

Think of it as voice acting rather than changing your voice

Try to play the character you want to sound like and then just make that character you.

I wanted to get my voice deeper and smoother so I worked on sounding like that for about two or so years.

Now I can do a lot of deep male voices without trying too hard. It just takes time

[patent lintel]

@potent perch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nowQX_ZoPJs

This is a pretty good video.

Justin goes into detail on a lot of stuff in this video

[potent perch]

Thanks man 😊 I'm listening to that Extreme Vocal Institute video RN, but I'll check that one out also 👍

[patent lintel]

TBH I'll probably take some vocal lessons from Justin here in a year or two when I finally move out

[potent perch]

Sweet man! But I'm confused, what could you possibly need to improve on?

[patent lintel]

A lot

First off I want to make sure there aren't any little things that I'm doing that could cause vocal damage over time. I want to improve my breath support and control, I want to learn fry which I haven't been able to do from watching tutorials online even his so I'm going to take lessons on it.

And you can always improve on what you have and make it sound better

[potent perch]

Sounds fun. I've been trying to do screamy stuff for over two effing years, and I feel like some people just don't have what it takes 😔 just recently I found out that I can do that scream from the clip I posted, but yeah I definitely need more practice lol

[stoic basin]

This video helped me learn how to do highs and low screams

[patent lintel]

Yeah, I started about 21 months ago. I started with just screaming at the top of my lungs trying to imitate Corey Taylor off the Iowa record (Would not recommend anyone every try to do that you will fuck yourself up). After that I looked up a FC tutorial form EVI. Got the FC distortion on the first day cause I'd been doing the Iowa scream for about two months and knew kinda what it would be like. (I actually got a FC scream on accident a couple times but didn't keep doing it cause it didn't sound like Corey.) It's taken me another 18 months to get it to a point that I think I can finally start or join a band. Now I'm just trying new shit all the time

[potent perch]

Sweet, hopefully that'll work for me too👍

[patent lintel]

For now just start with a mid. Learn highs and lows after you get a good mid scream

[potent perch]

Sounds like a good plan 👍

[stoic basin]

Similar story for me but I learnt inhales then improper fry then improper false cord then another bad fry technique then proper false cord then proper fry

My fc turned unsafe due to some unknown reason

[potent perch]

For some reason, I just can't understand inhales.

[stoic basin]

Please never do them

I beg you don’t

[potent perch]

Aight bet

[stoic basin]

I sustained like two injuries just doing them

[patent lintel]

Yeah, your voice keeps changing until you turn about 25 so your muscle memory probably got erraysed by your body growing and changing

Inhales are super bad for you. Never do them

[stoic basin]

I picked up fry just by making random sounds

[patent lintel]

lol

[stoic basin]

Lemme find the recording

[patent lintel]

nice

[stoic basin]

This turned into this

[potent perch]

Aight fellow metalheads, imma go to bed now.. gotta wake up and be a college student again. Imma keep on dropping screamy clips, and hopefully I don't sound as bad. Good night!

[patent lintel]

Sounds like you still need to work on breath support in this

[stoic basin]

Yeah that’s a issue I got

[patent lintel]

Gn man good luck on your classes. I'm glad I don't have those anymore

[patent lintel]

Same

I got good distortion and tone but can't hold it for more than like 4 seconds and I get gassed out after like two minutes.

[stoic basin]

Better clip I think

[patent lintel]

Been working on compression and pushing more with my diaphragm as well as not projecting as much so I don't use as much air

[stoic basin]

I can hold my screams for like 20 seconds

[patent lintel]

That's just how fry is. FC takes a lot more air and the average for a FC vocalist is 8 seconds

[potent perch]

@patent lintel one last thing before I go, does your username imply that you live in Texas? If so, I live in Texas too!👍

[patent lintel]

With really good breath support/control fry can be held for like a minute thirty

[patent lintel]

No, XT is just something I added to my username years ago cause I thought it was cool and edgy. I've had it for so long I just accept it as me

[stoic basin]

As a ex false cord vocalist the most I have gotten was like 9 seconds

[potent perch]

Gotcha. Aight byeee

[patent lintel]

Hell yeah dude

[stoic basin]

But I was doing like compressed fc plus arytenoid

Idk how but it helped me get fry I guess

[patent lintel]

Yeah I havent' gotten much compressed stuff yet or any arytenoid

[stoic basin]

I did vocals incorrectly for like a few years until April-June 2023 after that everything was unsafe until December 2023

I do fry now because I did it naturally

[storm yew]

Yea generally best to stay away from these without supervision, they can sound really cool but just aren't needed and can be very dangerous if done incorrectly

[patent lintel]

Just stay away from them entirely they sound like shit

Your body is not meant to handel distortion while inhailing it will fuck you up if you do it long term

[storm yew]

Not if done properly and very carefully... But I get what you are saying.
I've got an amazing teacher who also is a classically trained vocalist which is helpful for choir.

I do generally stay away from them as much as I can as I don't like how they sound for most things but I do still train it so I can do them safely.

[patent lintel]

From everything I've looked up inhails sound like shit and they fuck your voice up majorly if done long term in a live setting

[storm yew]

Sometimes that really garbage sound has usage for like sludge and dying pig sounds but ya

[patent lintel]

I just fucking hate how it sounds. You can do anything that an inhale can with exhails using either FC or fry or hybrids of some kind

[storm yew]

I actually learned doing the "bree" sound with an inhale and it has a different tone to it that's kinda fun... it can be a good alternative to whistle tone screams as well.
The issue starts coming from volume and more compression and more air flow that also goes for FC I have had a band mate screw up bad on one due to having the closer you would want for a fry scream.

Closure?

I never can spell the word

I should just write pages of that word to drill it in

[patent lintel]

lol

I got the pig squeal from taking a guttural mouth shape and then doing a high FC scream. I then pushed my jaw out and got the real Pig Squeal technique

Anyway gn y'all

[storm yew]

I shouldn't be doing any vocals as I'm not warm and I'm tired but here's a dumb lazy pig squeal from phone audio.

From talking with some vocalists from some bands I've learned how to do it fry.

[storm yew]

I should follow you goodnight.

[patent lintel]

Yeah I would do the fry one but I haven't learned fry yet

I work with what I got and make it sound good

[storm yew]

Ah fair, goodnight

[stoic basin]

isolated vocals of my newest cover

[bold valve]

Some random noises I made

[potent perch]

Hey fellow screamers, can anyone tell me what screaming technique (if any) is being used in this video:

https://youtu.be/snkK4nxA7oE?si=4IqjXJh4ioAgpmBt

Thanks in advance ☺️

[storm yew]

How to ruin your voice 101

It's just yelling

[potent perch]

Interesting, is there any way that I can safely imitate that? I listen to a lot of scream rap and I really want to sound like them, without ruining my voice.

[storm yew]

You can just use vocal fry but won't sound the same... Similar to punk vocals that's the ultimate ruin your voice.

[patent lintel]

You can also use a pitched FC to get something similar. If you have heard Paleface Swiss or Kublai Kahn it can sound like that

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nvt5w2o5orfr5ihirezwm/20240205_134227.mp4?rlkey=895426fokzv6ol6j8ru0rqco5&dl=0

Fire was too big to upload directly to discord

[gloomy birch]

Tried my hand at some vocals, thoughts?
https://youtu.be/sBur-wvCQm4?si=7mBhM0eTMWH5xpFm
https://youtu.be/Rb9azu2wxko?si=9TuOtvpQG_A0EcxU

[patent lintel]

Cleans sound awesome. The FC scream you have going is pretty good. I'd push a little bit less so you don't hurt yourself. You don't need that much air, but you need a decent amount. You just have to play around iwth it and try to keep it safe. FC is all about balence

[gloomy birch]

I definitely struggle with overprojecting sometimes

Especially on highs

[patent lintel]

That is something you will definately want to work on. If you keep that bad habbit when you start playing live you will destroy your voice

Just practice control and making sure everything is comfortable

[gloomy birch]

While these songs are definitely not "low" heavy, I feel like lows come more naturally to me

I have to try harder especially for the higher screams

[patent lintel]

The came pretty naturally to me too. Just focus on a good mid vocal for now. Once you get a really good sounding mid then you can start on lows and highs. You want to keep everything comfortable and in control

[potent perch]

@patent lintel Thanks a ton for the video, I think it was prolly more helpful than many YouTube videos I've seen 👍

[gloomy birch]

Gotcha

[patent lintel]

BTW what's y'alls favorite bands?

[gloomy birch]

Tallah, Darko US, Born of Osiris, Bring Me the Horizon, Whitechapel, Within Destruction, and Veil of Maya. Also OK Goodnight with my favorite album of all time, "The Fox and the Bird."

[bold valve]

To The Grave, Whitechapsl, Chelsea Grin, Darko US, Worm Shepherd, Larcenia Roe, Harakiri For The Sky and Methwitch, maybe also Mental Cruelty and Nitheful.

[patent lintel]

Bro Methwitch is fucking insane. That dude has to actually be on meth

[bold valve]

Nah he's just on Darko probably

[potent perch]

I really like Opeth, Slayer, Stryper, Impending Doom, and Gwar. But I definitely don't just like metal lol.

Oh and also Born of Osiris

And some Darko US

[gloomy birch]

Born of Osiris gang! Woo!

[potent perch]

Tomorrow we die alive is my favorite album from them

[gloomy birch]

That's an interesting pick! I'm definitely the biggest fan of The Discovery by them.

[patent lintel]

I've been listening to a lot of Ov Sulfur, Brand of Sacrifice, Lorna Shore, Mental Cruelty, A Wake In Providence, Worm Shepherd, Behemoth, Dark Watch, and Dark Funeral

[potent perch]

Sweet 👍

So what are some bands that y'all are into that aren't really metal?

[patent lintel]

A lot of blackened deathcore, deathcore, and black metal for what I listen to

Soft Kill is really cool. I don't listen to much other than metal. I just don't enjoy other stuff as much. I listen to a little bit of NF, Hopsin, Dax, and Eminem

but not often I have to be in the right mood for it

[potent perch]

Man Dax is awesome 👍

[patent lintel]

One of the best lyricist in the rap game

[potent perch]

FS

[potent perch]

What's your favorite song by him?

[gloomy birch]

Linkin Park, Trioscapes, Blue Stahli and Celldweller (which sometimes are or aren't depending on the album), Rabbit Junk (even though more of their recent stuff borders on metal a lot of the time), and I did listen to a little Paramore recently (their newest album), which I liked.

[patent lintel]

The Next Rap God 2

[potent perch]

Celldweller is really unique

[gloomy birch]

For sure! One of my favorite artists ever.

[potent perch]

Nice, I really like Why So Serious

[patent lintel]

Hell yeah

[potent perch]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6aXdbLoVvXnjSpAEkF5PT5?si=3mzhsgTsRcGVSazmlQxxtw

Am I right in thinking that he's primarily doing mids in this song?

@patent lintel @storm yew ?

[patent lintel]

yes

sounds kinda like fry mids, but it's really hard to tell with the affects on the vocals

[potent perch]

I think he said that he started out using a proper technique, but ended up messing up his voice with a new different technique.

And that new technique is what he still uses.

[patent lintel]

Dumbass

Yeah don't do what he's doing

[gloomy birch]

Is this the song with the new technique?

[patent lintel]

It's either a now that I've listened to it a bit more it's a FC that is compressing the vocal folds.

[potent perch]

Yes

[patent lintel]

When you compress your vocal cords you damage them. You either constrict in your mouth or above the vocal folds. Never constrict the actual vocal folds.

[potent perch]

@patent lintel I'm going to work on my breath support and not be as tensed up, but would it be harmful if I kept my partial false cord activation? I kinda like how "voice-ey" my screams are now.

[patent lintel]

You should try to remove the voice for now. A pitchless scream is easier and safer than a pitched scream. You can do pitched screams safely but it's better to learn them after you get down a regular pitchless scream. That way you have an understanding of the differences and the separation between the two.

[potent perch]

Aight thanks man, I'm still tryna figure out how I can take away my voice without doing baby whisper screams👍

[gloomy birch]

What are some good songs to practice my mids on?

[patent lintel]

A song that you know well that is simple.

[gloomy birch]

Hmm

[potent perch]

Ryan, it seems like you're here all the time. Do you ever do anything other than scream?

[patent lintel]

Yeah

I watch a bunch of youtube and work 40 hours a week

I just multi task on my time off from work

I am terminally online.

[potent perch]

@patent lintel 😲 We need more people like you who can multitask

[patent lintel]

lol

I have to multitask at work all day too. I work a call center job with three monitors open with six different tabs open at any given time

[potent perch]

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang

[patent lintel]

It's a pretty nice job. I sit at a desk for eight hours answer phone calls and help old people who don't know how computers work.

And I'm getting payed more than any other job I've had. I worked at one job for a year and a half and only got up to $16.40 an hour. I started this job at $17.50 and it's so much easier

[gloomy birch]

Okay, I'm going to try to learn this song. I think this is primarily a mid-range song, though I am not completely sure.
https://open.spotify.com/track/09YfXrEvnVE8cSKYGBBAI6?si=205e8f3a6b384166

[patent lintel]

Ok just make sure that you remember that your voice isn't going to sound exactly like anyone elses no matter how good you are.

[gloomy birch]

True

Even the vocal impersonators I've heard don't completely sound like the people they're trying to impersonate.

[patent lintel]

A couple sections there that you don't get much room for breath so lets hope you have good breath support/control

[gloomy birch]

I'm probably going to skip over the backup singer's parts (like the part where he echoes "The choice is up to you!")

[patent lintel]

ok

there are still some parts in this song that I'd have to practice for a bit to get down the right way.

[gloomy birch]

True

[patent lintel]

I could probably get it down in about a week if I dedicated myself to it if not less time, but I don't know the song that well. I'd be better at learning Demolisher

Or really any STP song

lol

[gloomy birch]

Lol

[patent lintel]

I know most of those songs like the back of my hand

[gloomy birch]

How complicated is it to learn a STP song?

[patent lintel]

I just listened to them for like five months straight and memoreized them by listening so long

A lot of what Alex does is super catchy so it's easy to remember

You listen to a song long enough you will learn it. That's how I got down the Iowa album when I listened to that none stop for about six months

[gloomy birch]

Mmm, makes sense

[patent lintel]

I could get through the first half of Iowa pretty easily. The latter half would be a lot harder cause I was still trying to sound like Corey on that album. (again that will fuck you up)

[gloomy birch]

Truuuuuue

[patent lintel]

And I would end up pusing more to get it out which would make it hurt more

[gloomy birch]

Makes sense. Was he even doing a correct vocal technique on either Self-Titled or Iowa?

[patent lintel]

Nope

both were the same technique and both were going to fuck you up

He was just pushing it more on Iowa and pulling his larynx down to get that lower guttural sound

[gloomy birch]

Crazy

[patent lintel]

It's pretty cool but really damaging

[gloomy birch]

But I suppose that was in the era where he didn't care as much about his voice

[patent lintel]

More that we didn't know that much about vocals back then.

The meta back then was just make noises and if it didn't hurt you were lucky

Thank God we know more now

[gloomy birch]

Very true

I did actually try my hand at Slipknot songs back when I wasn't using correct vocal techniques as much

Even sang Duality in front of a group of people for a talent gathering

[patent lintel]

Back when I was doing the Iowa scream I accidently came across my FC. It didn't hurt but wasn't "powerful" enough to match up against the Iowa scream. Now that I'm 21 months into screaming my FC is way more powerful and sounds way cooler than the Iowa imo.

I'm pretty sure if I tried I could still do the Iowa but I'm not going to cause it hurts way too much.

I know another vocalist who can do it and it doesn't hurt him at all anymore. Your body can actually adapt to being under that kind of stress given enough time and rest. Corey didn't adapt cause he was doing it live. If you do a bad technique live it will be so much worse for you because your body isn't at peak performance.

[gloomy birch]

I highly doubt I'm going to be doing much live stuff ever

At least not yet

[remote gorge]

top 5 for me is like, invent animate, spiritbox, humanity's last breath, bring me the horizon, and infant annihilator

[potent perch]

I wanna make some scream rap, and I'm almost definitely not going to perform live.

[patent lintel]

IA is such a weird addition to that line up

[remote gorge]

how so

[patent lintel]

A couple metalcore bands one deathcore band and then the heaviest band known to man

when I put IA I mean Infant

[remote gorge]

i know

which are you calling the heaviest

because both HLB and IA can be called that for different reasons lol

[patent lintel]

HLB is heavy but not that heavy

[remote gorge]

what

i mean people have different definitions of heavy, but why wouldnt HLB be considered the heaviest, or at least one of the heaviest

[patent lintel]

Idk just never seemed any heavier than other deathcore bands to me

[remote gorge]

interesting LOL

[patent lintel]

Oh shit

When I read HLB I was thinking Enterprise Earth

That's my bad. No yeah HLB is heavy af

Idk why but those two bands are conntected in my mind

[potent perch]

@patent lintel Are you better at screaming than Corey Taylor?

[patent lintel]

BTW this just dropped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ske7c7vGouE

[patent lintel]

No

Well that is a loaded question

I like the technique that I do better than his, but he is a better vocalist. He has like 20 studio albums under his belt and 20 years of experience performing live.

I've been doing this for 21 months and have never recorded a song or played live. I've never even been in a band

[potent perch]

@patent lintel yeah I thought you sounded better than him, but he has been doing stuff prolly longer than you've been alive.

[patent lintel]

He has

Corey uses a safe technique now and sounds great, but I like how the screaming style I use sounds better than his. I cannot compare myself to him. We are on completely different levels.

We don't use the same style or have the same level of experience. It's like comparing an Olympic swimmer to the guy who one state in highschool

[potent perch]

I taught Corey Taylor everything he knows about screaming and singing with distortion.

[patent lintel]

lol

I'm sure you did

[potent perch]

It's facts, broski

[patent lintel]

No one says broski these days

I don't think so. Pretty sure you would get banned

and I will block you

[potent perch]

@patent lintel alrighty.. guess I'll have to delete that comment

[patent lintel]

yeah don't do that again bro

[potent perch]

@patent lintel You really oughtta join a band.. and lmk when you do.

You could easily get famous

[patent lintel]

There's a lot of vocalist out there now days. It's going to take a lot of good dudes to make a band to get popular these days

[potent perch]

Yeah at this point the only thing you need to do is make sure the other guys in the band have just as good skill with their instruments to match your vocals.

[patent lintel]

Yeah, I'd rather find people who can make innovative music and write unique songs. A band isn't just about the vocals

[potent perch]

Ah I gotcha

@patent lintel Well chat is dead rn, so imma go work out.

[opaque hearth]

Thoughts?

[gloomy birch]

I like the fact that I recognize the song. It's "I, Dementia" by Whitechapel, from their fourth studio album, also called Whitechapel.

[opaque hearth]

Feedback on vocals? Anything you feel I could improve?

[gloomy birch]

I'm not the expert on it, but it sounds pretty good!

[opaque hearth]

Thanks!

[patent lintel]

Sounds fucking brutal

I challenge you to do some Brand of Sacrifice next. Your voice wouls sound pretty good on those songs I think

[stoic basin]

The clip in question

[patent lintel]

Idk man

[stoic basin]

Guy has no vocal clips on his profile so

[patent lintel]

lol

[stoic basin]

My lows sound crazy

[bold valve]

My classic snarls but I try going lower

[lean notch]

wtf thats insane

[patent lintel]

My fucking ears are bleeding now. Why are your fry highs so fucking high

It sounds cool but my porr fleshy body does not agree with me hearing it

[storm yew]

I wonder what the raw vocals sound like

Those whistle screams are really fun to do.

[opaque hearth]

Thanks! Ill look deeper into Brand of Sacrifice, heard of them but havent heard much

[willow axle]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2iWfsrJYIO/

nylistofficial

Raw vocals as requested. Still think my voice is fake? 🤔🔥🤣 I can't wait to drop this track! 😈

Likes

1784

Instagram

[storm yew]

Oh cool

[potent perch]

Okay so I'm getting better at breath support, and I don't think that I'm as tensed up as I was in the last video. Does it sound like I'm making progress? And what do I need to work on next?

@patent lintel @storm yew ?

This is my lil sister's attempt at screaming 🤣

[storm yew]

You have made progress you are still to closed open up your jaw more

[potent perch]

Aight I'll work on that ☺️ Anything else specifically that I need to work on?

[storm yew]

Not sure just slowly work on it

[potent perch]

Aight sounds good 👍 Thanks man.

@patent lintel What do you think of my false cord scream now?

[lean notch]

bhaha im impressed how hard that was to listen w earbuds in

[patent lintel]

tbh sounds the same as before

[storm yew]

I think it's good for people to know what the raw vocals sound like from there favorite artists as they tend to try and replicate the sounds that they are hearing when they are so heavily produced.

[lean notch]

My motivation is dropping bc my breath control is so bad 💀 I did give up smoking tho and overall that has helped a bit

[clever mesa]

i kinda gave up at the end and just didnt do some parts, but i tried ig

[potent perch]

Dang. Idk what to do next.. I guess I'm just going to have to keep on working on breath support and being loud.

[patent lintel]

Just practice for a while

[potent perch]

Aight sounds good

Does this one sound a little bit better?

[lean notch]

Do u have like any examples to show what u are going for exactly?😊

Like any videos etc.

[hollow apex]

can u guys give some feedback please i want to improve myself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRhV55qV16k

[potent perch]

Honestly, I'm not trying to imitate any specific artist, I'm kinda tryna develop my own scream sound. But I listen to a lot of hardcore punk and scream rap, so that's what I use as a reference.

Mainly tryna do a false cord version of what Craig Scissorhands and RejectedReyna do, plus have some more voice-ey yells in my arsenal.

[gloomy birch]

Sounds like you had a little reference to "Die MF Die" by Dope there!

[potent perch]

Nope.. never heard it before. That was from a RejectedReyna song.

[gloomy birch]

Oh

Interesting

[potent perch]

Yeah, listen to the RejectedReyna song of the same name.

It's "Die Motherfucker Die"

[gloomy birch]

You know, I think it might actually sample the Dope song in the beginning (before the vocals)

Plus, the cadence of the "Die motherf-cker die motherf-cker die" lines up with the Dope song as well

[lean notch]

Oh I see okay, sounds like u might have too much of your voice in it. I often get kinda choked up and bring my voice too much in it.

[potent perch]

That's really interesting.. I definitely need to check that song out

[gloomy birch]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5bU4KX47KqtDKKaLM4QCzh?si=c6e80e70d6894108

Gotcha covered

[lean notch]

Easy to recognize, damn havent listened this is AGES

[potent perch]

Yeah, whenever I don't have as much voice in it, I just have a pathetic whisper scream. I use Dag Kargyraa as the base of my screams, and I don't feel any pain.. just dryness after a while. I'm still working on activating my false cords more, so I can get a more projected scream.

@gloomy birch I heard the song, and I'm not a big fan of nu-metal, but it was definitely worth the listen.

[gloomy birch]

Very fair!

[potent perch]

👍

[potent perch]

What'd you think of the RejectedReyna song?

[gloomy birch]

It's an interesting trap metal/glitchcore mix, I think! Not something I listen to very often, but very cool regardless!

[potent perch]

Yeah I really like chaotic bs like that and fast 80s hardcore punk.. I love chaos lol 🤣

[gloomy birch]

You know, I wonder if you might enjoy the album "Reframe" by Rabbit Junk

It's got some digital hardcore and metal elements mixed together, which make it a real treat to listen to

[potent perch]

Aight, I'll FS check that out 🙂

[potent perch]

Hey check out "blitz" by Nascar aloe. You might like it 😁

[gloomy birch]

I shall do that

[potent perch]

😁

@gloomy birch Hey, since you saw that clip of me yelling, what'd you think of my vocals?

[storm yew]

Try to not mix throat singing It is a bit similar to FC but not the same. It can work but for learning to find the spots it seems a bit weird you are going the oppisite way you would want to with starting from that postiton as Kat stated you are going more into the voice

[gloomy birch]

It's an interesting way of approaching them, that's for sure. Add a hardstyle beat to it (similar to how that Nascar Aloe song went) and I could see it working nicely.

But yeah, definitely go with the people who know more what they're talking about when it comes to this. I am definitely not qualified to provide advice.

[potent perch]

Oh wow, thanks for clarifying that kargyraa and FC screaming are two different things.. I figured something was off.

[potent perch]

Bro I was kinda thinking the same thing, my screams are kinda voice-ey like those Trap Metal artists that I use for reference.

[potent perch]

I've been thinking about making a scream rap song with band Lab, and yeah my yells might be a good fit.. once I get better at breath support lol 😆

[gloomy birch]

Definitely go for it! I'd love to see what you come up with!

[potent perch]

Thanks man.. I'm a really freaking busy college kid, but one of these days I'll show Texas what's up 🤣