they don’t lock on like repeaters, rifles, pistols, and revolvers do
#rdo-chat
upper jay
they’re only “crazy good” if you’re good and can actually hit people
know how to use them and you’ll get kills left right
mellow parrot
nothing locks on if you're playing a free-aim session
upper jay
and maybe center, idk i’m a dinosaur i have a huge blind spot
oh my god it’s 12-0
please mercy rule this
15-0
dense hollow
Lol
upper jay
mercy rule should definitely be a thing, we won finally when the timer ended at 20-0
many people left the session
dense hollow
Hands down snipers are S tier especially in freeaim lobbies
mellow parrot
what cards are you using?
upper jay
focus fire, landon’s patience, sharpshooter, peak condition
it was what i thought would be a good sniper build, then onlypvpcat released a video on perk builds two days ago i think which i was thinking about doing for the hell of it
turns out it was maybe i think like his sniper build? maybe the deadeye was different idk
dense hollow
I’d probably go a different route than those cards
upper jay
what would you use?
dense hollow
FF, Sharps, FMO, IL and whatever you want for your fourth
dense hollow
Most of those are overkill considering you’ll one shot anything you hit anyways
upper jay
deadeye: FF, passive 1: sharp, P2: fmo, P3: IL
dense hollow
Yea
dense hollow
Oh woops I didgive you 4 lol
Sharps would be your “whatever card” if you didn’t have snipes
Snipes and IL give you incredible uptime as it is
While being fired upon in ADS
FMO offers you survivability against anything that isn’t a sniper
XProunds on the Carcano
Regular/HV rounds on the block
Short scope on Carcano and medium/long on block
This way you maximize your survivability while still maintaining 1-2 shot kills
I’ve found that NWO is also incredibly strong in freeaim sessions
marsh dirge
now we just need mining or panning for gold dust, and make it stealable by others
warm lagoon
@marsh dirge is that the removal of Epic launcher overlay files?
marsh dirge
yes
warm lagoon
confirmed that one does it for me, too, at least in Vulkan
upper jay
with what i got, ff, lp, ss, and pc, i use carcano with express short scope, rolling block with high velocity long scope and dual lemats in express
lemats for close range, using focus fire it takes two shots to kill
carcano almost always kills or downs in one shot at any range, sometimes only 2 shots
rolling block either kills or downs
(keep in mind these one shots also include leg shots, not only headshots or body shots)
marsh dirge
what rival quest did we just win?
i thought goods delieverys gave u cash
we stole this missions from this posse...and got 70 materials
mellow parrot
not worth stealing. Game is basically just encouraging you to ruin other people's day so they buy gold instead of earn cash. You get basically nothing for it
Its all a ploy so Rockstar makes money
marsh dirge
no i mean, what quest were they doing that gives u a shit ton of material
thats like, 10 perfect carcasses of buck right therew
for everyone in my crew
we had 7 ppl lol
all 7 got 70 material
fiery canopy
Fhskfjs I did the collector shtuff and I keep forgettin to swtich cards bc I lvl up like 3 times (despite bein like idk lvl247 ish?) LOL
Ah wtf
livid aspen
🙄
sage quiver
Who's got time to upgrade cards 👀
Still got my lvl 1 cards lol, never changed or upgraded
livid aspen
Who needs cards when you got skills
sage quiver
Don't really have those either but I managed on console xD
livid aspen
Dont u play anymor?
sage quiver
Nah I haven't played in a while tbh 
outer anvil
How do you cook Seasoned Exotic Bird? I have 2 pelicans and all the spices, but don't get a choice other than Plain Exotic Bird in the cook menu
upper jay
you need either mint, oregano, or thyme
then go to a campfire and go to exotic bird
cycle through the options to either minty or the other two
mellow parrot
mmm minty fresh
knotty jasper
.
mellow parrot
I do enjoy how this game lets me use my gamepad even when it isn't in focus in borderless window mode. I can type here and not have to alt tab back to play
fiery canopy
I dont upgrade or try to, I jus do the usual getting the collector treasures and dailies xD
upper jay
#general-media , can we get an F in chat
mellow parrot
whats what?
upper jay
idk if i should change my online ID for what i use in roblox and similar to other platforms and have it as iCookiePup or use my xbox gt OmniTox
mellow parrot
you buy all the clothes in all the colors?
split hearth
dont be daft
mellow parrot
I did that in GTA 5 at one point
still trying to think what kinds of new weapons they can introduce without breaking the timeframe
viscid topaz
You start roleplaying now
split hearth
roleplaying without any supporting mechanics or content. seems good
already noticing a massive decline in players
no content no players :/
sad times
upper jay
once RedM comes that shit’ll spike up
fucking hell someone took my xbox gamertag on ps4
what fucking cunts
mellow parrot
ouch
viscid topaz
You have to make your own content in roleplay
mellow parrot
most I do is come up with different outfits for different activities. Though 3 of which are bounty hunting outfits for different climates
mellow parrot
I just had a dark vision of the future. An update focused around outlaws / bandits where players could purchase a wagon with a mounted maxim gun
cerulean wharf
You're thinking about war wagons.
mellow parrot
Also I can't decide which color to get for the Collector rank 15-20 outfit
cerulean wharf
That's up to you. The major downside is that you cannot just buy the bandoliers/satchels separately. 🙁
mellow parrot
yeah
cerulean wharf
Because R* logic.
mellow parrot
nor can you mix/match anything other than the hat
cerulean wharf
That too.
prime flame
how do i look at my photos on social club in the web browser?
i wanna share it with my friends
upper jay
oo a dark vision
upper jay
this sniper build is broken
i mean, sure snipers should i guess one shot, but damn, every time no matter the body part
lol just as i was saying that some idiot tried attacking me out of no where
and realized his mistake after i killed him, and then killed him two more times
split geode
Where's a good place to look for other Bounty Hunters to team up with?
upper jay
are you on PC?
split geode
Yeah.
split geode
Thank you
upper jay
before someone says i was bullying a noob, nah, he was a level 203 that attacked me first
upper jay
bitters, potent bitters, cocaine gum, all that stamina fortifying is bs
just make potent health cures and snake oil, no bitters
upper jay
oof, doing all the dailies was fun
pulsar arch
lmao
upper jay
fucking finally, this chat was dead as hell
grizzled hull
bolt action for hunting?
or rolling blocK?
upper jay
i’d say bolt
you can use it outside of scope and can use PiB with it
and in case you miss your first shot shouldn’t take too long to shot again
grizzled hull
so with RB i am forced to scope?
upper jay
yes, it is a sniper
upper jay
i use mid
lilac rune
is online like, down?
@marsh dirge theyre only cosmetic, off hand holsters grant duel wielding however
marsh dirge
ahh kk
and na, im online right now
btw, if ur running trade packs.... Note for survival from crashes.
- Do not fire your weapon or even aim it...while on the wagon
- Do not open the ammo buying manual
- do not hit L
- Don't hit esc
pulsar arch
so you can solo the multiple target bounties
marsh dirge
two wagons. trader and bounty wagfon
bounty is for multiple bounties
trade wagon is for i believe, 5 carcasses
pulsar arch
what
marsh dirge
you summon it
pulsar arch
hunting wagon holds 5 large carcasses, delivery wagon is for making sales. there is no 'trader' wagon
marsh dirge
lol hunting sorry, i was saying the role of the wagon
but no i mean when your actually doing a trade role delivery
prime flame
can you manually paint targets? whenever i dead eye and point at someone it just puts the X on automatically
i have the tier 3 paint it black
marsh dirge
Do not open any menu, before and after the mission is complete...
typically the game gets more unstable the more times u enter solo mode
ANYTHING could crash u
any type of menu
pulsar arch
what's solo mode?
marsh dirge
local deliveries are not online
ivory tartan
^
pulsar arch
an empty session?
marsh dirge
when u engage in local, theres no players
pulsar arch
ah right
marsh dirge
thats why ur camp will sometimes go poof afterwards
pulsar arch
i think you're still placed in a regular session
but players can't blow up your wagon
marsh dirge
na, check the players on L when u start a local
pulsar arch
if you're getting an empty session, it's by chance
marsh dirge
absolutely no players
pulsar arch
ah yes, in gaptooth ridge i assume
marsh dirge
yea
pulsar arch
afaik, local deliveries doesn't = empty session every time
marsh dirge
fastest xp in the game honestly lol
pulsar arch
it's the same chance as with a distant, stranger or bounty mission
marsh dirge
oo ok
pulsar arch
otherwise distant deliveries wouldn't also get you an empty session on occassion
which they do, and it's awesome when that happens
marsh dirge
also
has anyone gotten a strange event?
like...
a naked guy sitting at ur camp
and u feed him...
and he walks away saying he will come back later
when he needs u
pulsar arch
last time i saw him, he was after cooked meat
i had had enough by that point
so i fed him to my dog
cerulean wharf
So I was messing around with a friend of mine at Tumbleweed, we were having a 1v1 lasso fight until 2 random tryhards jumped us from nowhere, killed my friend, and started a 2v2.
They were getting their asses whooped so badly that they called backup and spammed explosives until they ran out.
By the time my friend and I retreated to Armadillo, it was a fucking 2v12 and the sweaty tryhards were STILL losing, even with explosives.
As soon as they ran out of explosives, it was open season on their garbage asses. One free kill after another, they were the ones on the run. When it was too much for them to handle, they retreated, left the session, and (probably) ragequitted.
marsh dirge
About to start a wagon mission, Looking to help out new players with a free couple of hundred bucks!
PM or join my channel!
(New players perferred)
steep tree
I am curious. How many people are having a peaceful time playing online on PC? I have heard horror stories of it being a wild west of shoot first ask questions later.
cerulean wharf
I heard PC was already overrun by hackers, modders, booters, and scammers.
steep tree
scammers and booters?
cerulean wharf
If they're on PS4, I wouldn't be surprised if they're on PC.
steep tree
I have not run into any bad actors as of yet with about 15-20 hours. Though, I expected to see them within hours.
cerulean wharf
Aren't you one lucky SOB?
steep tree
I am not complaining that things are so far good, it is just weird that it is good considering how bad GTAV online is.
steep tree
I think the biggest thing that helps is you do not see everyone on the map unless they are close and hostile players show up further away the more hostile they are.
steep tree
I have not seen the need to seek out other players. It is useful to avoid hostile players though.
cerulean wharf
Indeed, and that is also true.
In my case, I couldn't see the dots because they were blue, far away, and caught my friend off guard.
Until they got close and opened fire on us. 😔
steep tree
Yea, not all blue dots are friendly either.
So far I have been mauled by animals more than I have been shot at by players.
cerulean wharf
Blue dots are the worst...you have no idea if they're 100% friendly.
steep tree
You turn red if you kill one person.
at least for that session unless you are already on high hostility.
I do like that it turns your posse red as well.
cerulean wharf
If the leader has high hostility, yeah.
Still, I like to avoid all players, whether they're blue, pink, dark red, bright red, etc.
pulsar arch
even light blue?
cerulean wharf
Oh yeah.
steep tree
It just takes one kill to turn light blue into a red.
cerulean wharf
Like I said, "Blue dots are the worst...you have no idea if they're 100% friendly."
steep tree
It might be that I ride with someone else when I usually play. That might deter most single people from shooting us.
devout cliff
I don't think someone caught on that light blue are posse members
pulsar arch
steep tree
other posses?
pulsar arch
very dangerous
devout cliff
steep tree
Weird, I have seen other light blues. My own posse is just me and one other and he is the leader so he is a cross.
pulsar arch
i always thought that was a four-legged starfish
cerulean wharf
Damn R* for making secret changes without informing us (players) about them. 🖕 😒
So...for example: let's say a posse was formed and the posse leader has high hostility and the members have low hostility. You're telling me that the members' dots AREN'T automatically at high hostility (dark red on the map)? So it's only the posse leader that's dark red?
steep tree
No idea.
I have seen entire posses turn red at once though.
not sure if it has to be the leader or if anyone can cause it.
cerulean wharf
It has to be the leader (specifically).
steep tree
Does the posse calculate the entire group's hostility into the color or only the leader's?
When it is first formed.
cerulean wharf
It's only the posse leader AFAIK.
pulsar arch
I once had a hostile player joined my posse and it definitely took me out of defensive and may have increased my hostility, that part i'm not 100% on
cerulean wharf
Did R* make changes? If so, I need info.
devout cliff
Posse leader will be base hostility, if a member just fucks about, it'll just affect theirs instead of everyone's
Everyone will increase when the leader fucks about though
pulsar arch
and if a whole posse goes red simultaneously they were prob doing a distant delivery
and they got to the pvp checkpoint
steep tree
That turns you red?
warm lagoon
So, is there anything we can do in RDO with all the wild horses we come across? Selling to stables?
feral girder
How do you use dead eye on PC? can you mark people?
warm lagoon
If you/they aren't in Defensive style, yes you can mark players in Deadeye / Paint It Black
but you can Paint NPCs if you are Defensive
warm lagoon
Paint it Black is the ability card that makes Deadeye work like story mode
there are other abilities that do different things with deadeye
cerulean wharf
The answer is yes, but in RDO, Paint It Black automatically paints targets for you.
upper jay
yo
marshall coat looking pretty nice in this outfit
what the hell
i’m trying to call my outfit Marshall and it’s like unsupported characters or profanity
sage quiver
Lol yea same keeps happening when I tried to call my horse "Frits"
Thats an actual name
steep tree
The profanity filter applies to things only you can see as well?
versed roost
I've been the biggest dickhead in rdo this morning lol. spotted a gang hideout. there was already a player trying to clear it. I went in, killed half of the camp, hogtied the player with my reinforced lasso, cleared the last npcs, looted the corpses and executed the player at the end. Loved every second of it. I think I heard him mumble something in his mic... something like ''i hate playing online''. 🙂
fading vector
I wish there was more to online though... it's missing more coop content like the story line imo.
steep tree
More people should learn about defensive mode.
versed roost
I guess they'll add some new missions at some point
fading vector
'cause... I srsly don't play rdo to have a cool racing game or competitive shooter. 
I got other games that do those things way better.
steep tree
At least horse stuff isn't locked behind winning races like car parts were in GTAV
How do you win a race if winning a race gives you faster parts but the people winning already have the faster parts?
fading vector
I only did one horse race tbh... and it felt as frustrating as mario cart to me thanks to the weapons.
steep tree
I have trouble keeping my horse running when not in races.
fading vector
was 2nd place and 1 minute later 2nd to last.
steep tree
Or even sometimes getting it to run. I can only imagine how frustrating having that and trying to do a race.
By the way if you are in defensive mode in free roam, other players cannot lasso you.
fading vector
I don't mind if I'm getting shot xD I simply press charges and chuckle that the guy who attacked me suffers more penalty than me.
steep tree
I have only been shot at once and that was when I was running into an already occurring gunfight.
marsh dirge
I'm on Xbox and I'm not sure how rdr2 online works, as far as gangs, once in a gang you stay in it? Like clubs on GTA?
steep tree
Posse?
modest crown
sorry but what time does RDO usually reset on the daily?
steep tree
Posses are always able to be left and rejoined. You can create a permanent one that just persists between sessions that you can upgrade. It is basically your personal camp except other members of your posse can use it but it can be upgraded and is persistent to the posse leader.
pulsar arch
@modest crown 45 mins til reset
modest crown
thanks man, any idea on what cycle it'll be for nazar's collection? @pulsar arch
pulsar arch
it's day 3 today, won't change again for another 20 odd hours
collector day cycle and daily reset are diff times
pulsar arch
leaden grotto
marsh dirge
Well is it easier, I know it is easier to join another posses, to join someone else's and look for a bigger group or make my own and just tell others about it?
steep tree
There is always a list of posses that are currently in the session. If they are public they can be joined at any time. You can also leave at any time. I do not know if there is a delay between when you can leave and join.
dense hollow
anyone else having trouble doing the online story missions?
steep tree
Especially when your own horse cannot keep up.
dense hollow
i can't for the life of me Q up for this next part of the arc
narrow jolt
RDO is just single player except you’re playing as a fish monster and everything is 10x more inconvenient than it has to be
steep tree
At least the animations are not slower than in single player.
and the horse doesn't eat your weapons every time you get off.
Unless that patch also applied to single player.
The gun thing.
dense hollow
anyone on PC wana help me out rq?
marsh dirge
@dense hollow
I clock-out in 9½ hours.
I can help you with a story mission, after I get home.
upper jay
ya y e e t
split hearth
gud moaning gents
mellow parrot
anyone know where Nazar is?
versed roost
madam nazar
umbral cryptBOT
Lookin' fer the Madam? Check here
#624629540949590016
mellow parrot
Sorry, bot. Info is outdated
She ain't there. Thats where she was earlier. She's gone now
Even the interactive map hasn't updated
modest crown
It’s yet to be updated
mellow parrot
oh, just did
and she is in the area I left... lovely
from Lemoyne to new austin back to lemoyne
devout cliff
Am I gonna have to start doing that every night again until they update it 😂
sage quiver
Lmao I'll also start checking it every morning to see if its updated yet
devout cliff
I only started doing it because it wasn't updated until like 5 hours after she moved
Then one time, they just didn't at all
sage quiver
Yea noticed the last few days you posting the location xD
Rip madam bot
umbral cryptBOT
Lookin' fer the Madam? Check here
#624629540949590016
sage quiver
Lmao fuck off
devout cliff
LOL
mellow parrot
Nazar has amazing lighting at her place for night time selfies
and disconnected. But at least I finally got my bounty hunter gloves
split hearth
cant decide if i should go for one more collector run
or if i should just stay away and avoid getting completely burnt out
mellow parrot
up to you, I did an abbreviated run today by crossing out everything I already had on the map and routing from there. A no dupe run as it were
split hearth
i want to have enough cash in hand for whatever comes next in regards to content
but i have basically nothing to do right now
split hearth
im level 105 tho, and i have unlocked pretty much everything except for clothing that i dont give a shit about. and i also have 11k in hand
versed roost
how many hours /played?
split hearth
i have been playing ALOT
split hearth
i would have to log in to check, but i got u beat by miles
split hearth
versed roost
maybe take a break and try the story mode?
mellow parrot
rank 98 here
split hearth
crushed the story on ps4 last year
split hearth
it was great but i dont know that its good enough to play it again
no i didnt play online at all on console
split hearth
okay.. lets see.. my RDO online stats. health/stamina/deadeye all level 10. weight: max. hours /played: 150. total cash earned: $33k. camp: fully upgraded. bountyhunter/trader/collector: level 20. all interesting weapons: unlocked and pimped.
cant think of anything else meaningful to do atm, there simply isnt enough content
versed roost
only 150 hours played... and level 105... I have 70 hours played and im level 30
there is something im doing wrong
split hearth
fo sho
split hearth
i have 890 playerkills too
versed roost
really not optimising my gameplay for progression
split hearth
hehe
versed roost
think i have 350-400 player kills iirc
marsh dirge
@split hearth
Can I hire you for mercenary services?
😆
split hearth
tsss
perhaps
i aint gonna lie, im sweaty as hell. i always play hard as fuck when i get interested in a new game.. but im not the only one who does that, and if i am detecting the 'temperature' correctly, a lot of players are bored already. discord seems a lot quieter, and ingame sessions seems far less populated than say 5 days ago.. rockstar better double time whatever they are doing and give us some shit to do or this gonna be a ghost town sooner than later. i really want it to succeed, tho..
first two weeks are always chaotic, but also extremely important for the future of a game - at least in my experience. if the first weeks are going really poorly then that sets the bar for the future of the game. more often than not
modest crown
They’re know for drip feeding content, just like GTAO. I suspect it’ll be the same for RDO
split hearth
getting people to come back to a game is far more difficult than to keep them interested over time
marsh dirge
@split hearth
Yes.
I noticed a cooler temperature, during the second week.
Launch week was very active!
Posses everywhere!
Some of us want to keep our daily gold streak up, however.
modest crown
Look at it this way. If they release everything they already planned and developed in one fell swoop, the more hardcore players would finish everything by end of say... 2 weeks
What then?
split hearth
make more 😄
modest crown
It’s easier said than done lol
split hearth
well thats why you dont release a beta product and hope it'll be enough
modest crown
Drip feeding is their way of content delivery.
split hearth
yeah, im aware
on another, completely unrelated note, every single +damage tarot card is worthless - after some extensive testing
ability card*
especially the sharpshooter one
marsh dirge
Those offensive cards probably got nerfed, early-on.
split hearth
the damage increase is not enough to make an actual difference inperformance. at very best situation, you'll reduce your bullets to kill with pistols from 7 to 6 on chest shots, but thats about it. none of it makes a difference. especially not when u take into account deadeye and headshots. snipers will almost always take 2 shots to kill, no matter what perks you or the target are using, so it all feels completely redundant
the only perk that makes sense is never without one, everything else is utterly meh
also defensive mode is OP as balls
modest crown
What about strength in numbers? Is the smg reduction actually noticeable with a full posse of friends?
Dmg*
Say you and 3 other pals
split hearth
no, not really
plush drum
$50 well spent
split hearth
eh?
plush drum
Strength in numbers
split hearth
you mean 950$
plush drum
Hold on what
plush drum
Oh I don't spend my money wisely enough for that to be a problen lol
modest crown
Defensive mode is awesome against griefers
split hearth
its 50/350/500
plush drum
I go through horses like bad NHL players go through different teams
modest crown
You’ll still get killed when outgunned. But at least no lockons and lassoed on
split hearth
you cant get grabbed, punched, tackled, lassoed, locked on, and ur way way more tanky
shits broken
plush drum
Yeah me and my buds go stomped by the blackwater griefers even with defensive mode
split hearth
the lock on is totally justified, i hate deadeye, but everything else is ridiculous
plush drum
I just want a passive mode that lets me shoot animals and maybe npcs
modest crown
That’s one way of discouraging the griefers I guess
And random shootouts just waste ammo, gun condition and time
plush drum
They can be fun sometimes
split hearth
dont call it griefers pls. actual griefing is a serious issue. hunting players and having pvp isnt griefing. its pv..
u can just parley if u dont feel like getting chain ganked anyway
modest crown
If they wanted PVP, go to a showdown lol
plush drum
When the players don't want to be hunted and PVP then it's definitely a problem
split hearth
no its not
plush drum
And the griefers got around the parody
split hearth
its an open world pvp game. just parley/surrender
split hearth
circumvented how?
modest crown
I rmbr one dude I met. Blew up the wagon I was transporting. Tried to run, but I gunned him down after respawning, wanted to parley with me. Hell no buddy
split hearth
there's nothing u can do against a parley'd player. it lasts 10 minutes tho
plush drum
That's fine but it didn't seem to stop them
split hearth
i think you are mistaken sir
plush drum
Idk if they left and rejoined and circumvented it like that or something else
Either way we wanted to be left alone and werent
Which is about as fun as you can imagine when you just want to hunt with friends
split hearth
you must have done something wrong then. besides i think its good that u cant be left alone just because u "want to". its supposed to be a hostile and competetive enviroment
plush drum
I don't think I should be forced into PvP in the first place
split hearth
but pvp is the core of the online mode
plush drum
Why shouldn't I be able to hunt and mind my own business withiut getting harassed by a 100+?
split hearth
the game actively encourages you to fuck over other players
i think thats fantastic
dense osprey
what are the best pvp card abilities?
split hearth
the tanky ones
mellow parrot
Its not fantastic when you think about the reason the game does that
plush drum
I hate it. I get like attacking wagons and stuff where you can get money but getting killed just because isnt fun
mellow parrot
Its all so Rockstar can make more money off of gold sales
split hearth
wat
mellow parrot
Yeah, if you mess with people trying to make money, and they see you killed them with such and such but because they can't make money to also get it, they buy gold to get it
plush drum
If they want to encourage PvP then they'd increase the money earned from stranger mission wagons so that attacking them and being actual bandits is a worthwhile affair
split hearth
there's literally nothing u or any 10 of ur friends can do to stop me from making 5k+ every single day
so i dont know what ur on about
mellow parrot
Its designed to hamper player's attempts at making money in game to drive them to buy gold
plush drum
To be fair
The new jobs allow you to get money without much problem.
Collector is fairly passive, bounties dont include PvP, and the trader can make local deliveries
split hearth
tell me how exactly would i hamper your efforts if u parley with me after i kill u once?
plush drum
I don't think you shouldn't be able to PvP, just let me opt out altogether
split hearth
because i seriously cant think of anything
plush drum
At least in free roam
split hearth
respectfully, if you dont enjoy pvp you are most definitely playing the wrong game (mode)
split hearth
because its heavily designed around pvp
plush drum
Is that why hunting has such nuance and there's a big beautiful map to explore?
mellow parrot
except free roam isn't really. If you want to PVP queue for a series. Those are designed around pvp
plush drum
It's free roam not open map free for all
plush drum
That's fine
split hearth
what makes pvp fun, at least for me, is the risk/reward of beating another player
mellow parrot
and killing random people is fun?
split hearth
yes
plush drum
But why not let players who want to just roam do that without issue, while players who don't care can pvp if they want
mellow parrot
hear that NSA?
plush drum
Why, from the perspective of a company making money, shouldn't you allow people to play how they want without interference?
Doesn't that open up the game to a much wider market of explorers AND pvpers as opposed to just pvpers
The PvP guys can have their PvP and me and my friends can hunt without having to worry about if that random guy on the map will shoot us
Enter a passive mode that lets me hunt
sage quiver
Thats what defensive is for though.
Never had a problem with it on ps4 because of defensive..
plush drum
Defensive mode is useful but I dont see why they wouldn't just let me avoid PvP overall
mellow parrot
Defensive is less effective on PC. Part of defensive prevents the aim assist lock on, on PC with mouse and keyboard people with high burst sniper builds, defensive is kinda a joke
sage quiver
Might be just me I guess xD
Most people didn't really try to pvp for me.
I probably just got lucky though xD
plush drum
And I dont want to pretend like griefing or whatever is like a huge problem
split hearth
i mean i see your poiint piggo but i think its a little more complicated than that. there's also an issue of balancing behind it all. if u could do full bounty or trade runs with zero risk of losing anything then they would have to pay you less for it too, or it would be simply too easy. right? if u do a 7 man trade group u can make what... 650+300x6 dollars every ~5-6 hours. theoretically. 2400 dollars is a lot of money to get for no risk at all. its very low with the current risk, however, i will give u that.
plush drum
Well I should have explained it more
There are stranger missions yoi can do that dont involve PvP, I.e hunts
sage quiver
Tbf people cry Grief really fast, its a travesty on reddit.. people get Pushed by a player, not even killed yet and cry grief
split hearth
yeah.. thats my point
plush drum
Let passive players do those and not let them stuff like wagon deliveries (or long range deliveries for traders)
split hearth
oh he killed me in a game designed around players being obstacles for eachother..
griefer
wat
sage quiver
plush drum
That's not really what I'm saying
sage quiver
This ain't no outlaw game, we friends now.
plush drum
What I'm saying is I want the option to be left the heck alone because there's a big beautiful world I want to explore and hunt in
With my friends
sage quiver
Understandable
mellow parrot
Maybe there should just be a point where you get so much negative honor you get locked to honorless sessions
plush drum
Or like
split hearth
this is what griefing is: 3 ppl in defensive mode roleplaying in valentine around a campfire.. random player throws firebomb and burns them all to shit, then says "ur mom is a hoe" in voice chat. THAT is griefing. raiding someone's trade wagon sure as fuck aint
plush drum
Nope, it's not.
And like I said
People who opt into "passive mode" shouldn't be able to do stuff like wagon deliveries
sage quiver
Or just close, safe deliveries
plush drum
Unless it's like the local trader deliveries which I dont think you can attack anyway
mellow parrot
but what do you get from raiding someones trade wagon? You don't benefit nearly as much as they lose
split hearth
lets see when the new week resets, maybe bounty or trade will get temp buffed like collector currently is. then lets say u get some 900 dollar or something for a large wagon? i hear what ur saying but i strongly disagree. i dont think u should be safe to do that in defensive/protected mode at all
plush drum
Well if you do the local deliveries now you can't get attacked and make less
Which I like
split hearth
my advice is... #pc-lfg and call for some strong arm players to protect u. the game already gives you an idiotic advantage when u run the trade because it basically insta respawns u on the wagon if u die and its almost, almost impossible to take over a wagon
plush drum
Long range deliveries should be risky of course
And there should be a benefit to stealing them , not saying there shouldn't be
mellow parrot
If its anything like GTA, people will just start blowing up the wagons to make the other team lose. That kind of gameplay is toxic
plush drum
There's also the angle that there wont always be a knight in shining armor waiting for me to call for help
modest crown
thats one player did to me, used dynamite to blow it up, i killed him; he asked for a parley
split hearth
2 days ago or something we did a 4vs4 large wagon takover, we must have hadd 10 to 1 KDR against their group.. we were absolutely butchering them to the point where we almost felt bad. and we still barely made off with their stuff. because they respawned so damn quickly and close to the objective
plush drum
I think we're having an argument but not talking about the same thing
split hearth
we arent having an argument. we're having a discussion
plush drum
You know what I mean
sage quiver
At least player blips are hidden from the map until you're close.
At launch you could see players wherever they were.
Had people look me up in the middle of nowhere to fuck around
plush drum
Yeah I'm glad but not glad they hid the blips
For one I cant get tracked when im alone in the forest
plush drum
For two I don't know what hotspots to avoid
mellow parrot
I can often hear a player's horse well before I see their blip
split hearth
well piggo i guess ull get what u want sooner than later seein as people are getting bored with no content, u get to explore an empety world at this rate. :/
sage quiver
Lmao there wasn't a defensive back then tho
plush drum
Nah I doubt R* is gonna drop the ball
sage quiver
You were basically fucked if you wanted to fish without people messing with you
mellow parrot
Best hat in the game, go
split hearth
i dont think they will drop the ball either but i have my doubts that the population will remain much larger than a few thousand players at average
expedition helmet: ansler
devout cliff
Back then you either need someone with you, or have the companion app to see the map
plush drum
I mean maybe this game won't suit some people but there's still GTAO for people who want a ton of content and high flying actions and RDO for softbois like me
mellow parrot
Nah, its all about the Cavalier hat
plush drum
I prefer the regimental
sage quiver
They're only gonna add more though
plush drum
More content? Of course
mellow parrot
I heard something about them adding properties like houses in a future update. Anyone else hear those rumors?
sage quiver
They once stated they didn't add ranches etc in online yet because they want people to feel like they build it up from nothing
split hearth
plush drum
Maybe if they made the pvp more worthwhile elsewhere there wouldn't be such a clash between playstyles
sage quiver
Yea @mellow parrot
plush drum
I would kill to be able to build a homestead Skyrim hearthfire style
mellow parrot
@split hearth yeah, I have that hat. I considered getting the white jacket Londonderry outfit as well but went with the darker green one instead
split hearth
if/when they addd housing i hope its more substantial than the intial appartment shit in gtaO, like let us do actual useful shit in the house.. crafting, and manage trading etc. ideally let the camp features merge with the house. at a bare minimum
plush drum
Yeah
sage quiver
I just wanna feed cows
plush drum
Make it a worthwhile investment
split hearth
cause i aint wasting 20k dollars or whatever to sit on a coach and smoke a bong. i do not consider that worthwhile content 😛
plush drum
I like hanging at the apartments
coral crow
Is the carcano rifle better for pvp than the rolling is?
plush drum
Two types of people i guess
mellow parrot
would be nice just to have an instanced safe spot to manage stuff
plush drum
Uhh my friend likes the rolling block
It reloads fast it's not much slower than a bolt i think
split hearth
@coral crow rolling block has slightly higher damge per shot, carcano has way higher fire rate. more often than not, unless you make a clean headshot and the target isnt using 'never without one' perk, you will need two body shots for a kill. in which case the carcano is far better.
other than that it is essentially the same weapon
devout cliff
Rolling Block is a one hit kill regardless
split hearth
only if you hit the jaw
devout cliff
I could hit a pinky toe and still kill
plush drum
I mean
mellow parrot
why does the Evans repeater sound so much punchier than the other repeaters when IRL I think it had the smallest round between the 3 of them, Evans, Henry(Litchfield), and Winchester(Lancaster).
plush drum
Infection before modern medicine i guess
I love the Evans
Evans+lemat dream team
Well the lemat is great until you need to reload anyway
Same with the evans actually
split hearth
all of the repeaters are completely worthless 💩
carcano and dual lemat. all u need. covers every range and situation
but
the differences between the weapons are so damn minimal that u can be effective with just about any weapon. its mostly a cosmetic thing
plush drum
Yeah the cost of upgrades vs the actual gain sucks
devout cliff
LeMats better at close range
plush drum
I run lemat+high roller
devout cliff
Shotgun shells
mellow parrot
I find dual Mausers to be hilarious with paint it black
modest crown
i was jesting, but yeah LeMat is the way to go
plush drum
Yes I love popping people with the lemat shotgun
sage quiver
LeMats!👀
plush drum
Also good for hunting if you didn't bring your shotgun
split hearth
u can just paint it black and land 1 headshot with any weapon in close range
split hearth
its just stupid
sage quiver
Thats fair though, like.. a headshot and you're done
coral crow
Paint it black on pc is a meme
fiery canopy
its Red Dead Revolver style shtuff
sage quiver
mellow parrot
sneak up to a bounty camp, paint everyone except the bounty's heads with pib. casually stroll up to a terrified bounty target who won't even run. Mausers make me laugh
plush drum
I'd be happier if people actually had to aim and shoot as opposed to aim and then shoot likr five seconds later
plush drum
And I'd be ecstatic if I could type without typos
sage quiver
Love it😂
plush drum
Yeah me and my friends all have it as a crutch
No point not using it when everyone else is
split hearth
i hae paint it black, because its the most useful alternative. however i hate it and think deadeye should be deleted from the universe
have*
devout cliff
How to tell if people played story are how they view pib 
plush drum
I played the story
split hearth
its fine for story/singleplayer
mellow parrot
though doing bounty hunting with a slow and steady build is just as ridiculous. Wade through a bounty camp like Arnold in The Terminator, taking everyone out and shrugging off bullets
plush drum
But pib has no place in actual pbp
split hearth
built in aimbot on multiplayer is ridonculous
plush drum
As if the lock on aim assist wasnt annoying enough
split hearth
exactly
plush drum
Even now when you can't lock on to heads its too easy to get headshots
marsh dirge
plush drum
It's a game of who can do LT+up on right stick+RT fastest on console
carmine matrix
since people uses controller advantage
split hearth
im playing on pc and i have to deal with aimbotters every day.. actually legit aimbot but they cant be banned cause its built in the game
carmine matrix
that means, dead eye, aim from top to bottom, which consle guys can't
insta headshot faster than autoaim controllers
carmine matrix
paint it black
split hearth
WHYYYY
livid aspen
Killing the bear grant us claws?
marsh dirge
if you're playing Online with aim assist on, you're playing it wrong :p
coral crow
pib on PC is disgusting
marsh dirge
you get an XP bonus for free aim
plush drum
Yeah
coral crow
Even the shitty chinamen can nail headshots all day
plush drum
But when it comes time to pvp wht bother
carmine matrix
@marsh dirge not worse than controller autoaim
mellow parrot
@split hearth if you set your aim to free-aim in the settings before you get in game, you'll be put into a free aim only free roam. Nobody will have aim assist
plush drum
Yeah and snake oil is super easy to make
coral crow
I use pib basically exclusively for hunting because im lazy
marsh dirge
I use pib but I don't even need pib, all I need is a single pump to the face 
and they're done, even with a full tank build
split hearth
i know. i have that. but i cant d shit against deadeye
carmine matrix
I mean, this isn't exactly a game balanced on pvp, not even balanced on controller vs mouse
split hearth
its always gonna be there
plush drum
Potent snake oil only takes oje tobacco iirc?
mellow parrot
oh, well. yeah
marsh dirge
the reason I type that is I'm always getting shot in Saint Denis for some reason 
plush drum
Same with potent horse stimulant the ingredients are really common
marsh dirge
@carmine matrix when you switch to Free Aim you get placed into Free Aim lobbies
mellow parrot
Saint Denis and Tumbleweed are the two places I see the most stupid shit
plush drum
More so since you can buy herbs from whatsherface
coral crow
R* even said they're hardly looking at pvp because they dont really care about it
marsh dirge
weird, what region you in?
mellow parrot
like two ends of the map, everything else in the middle is mostly fine
marsh dirge
@coral crow where did they say that?
carmine matrix
europe west
marsh dirge
@mellow parrot got targeted by racist Slavs in Blackwater, not really true
plush drum
I play mostly with friends who do use aim assist so I'm basically boned of I dont also
modest crown
lol i play with chinamen on the daily cause im in the asian region.. safe to say they're always doing lame shootouts in town
plush drum
Yeah it's bad
carmine matrix
and consumables spam
plush drum
Oh and explosive ammo
mellow parrot
any way to hotkey a consumable?
carmine matrix
still fun tough, just don't take it serious
plush drum
Why aim at all with a one shot kill
carmine matrix
you can hotkey items
I mean item menu
so you dont need to go weapon -> consumables
it goes directly to consumables
wheel
mellow parrot
oh, yeah it defaults to F4, I still need to rebind that
coral crow
@marsh dirge It was specifically mentioning matchmade pvp btw, not necessarily free roam pvp
marsh dirge
aww, that sucks
carmine matrix
I wanna ask about fast horses
marsh dirge
MM pvp is fun
carmine matrix
any consumable will make my horse faster?
marsh dirge
when you don't encounter a rank 19 that's seemingly invincible
coral crow
PvP in any of Rockstars games that isn't free roam is dogshit imo
carmine matrix
already bogut capatochies chair and hooded stirups
mellow parrot
faster no, more stamina, Horse Stimulant
coral crow
The game is imbalanced as fuck
carmine matrix
I want fast horse for fast collect
split hearth
if u hate deadeye and aim assist, do what i do... stay at max range and use carcano. deadeye cant lock very far
i use horse perk and snipe alot. it works quite well
carmine matrix
@split hearth I confirm I can't
carmine matrix
I'll try camping
mellow parrot
I used Deadeye and a bow to kill a dude I could barely see
carmine matrix
but sucks
devout cliff
Aim assist can't lock on far. Pib can still mark on a long distance
plush drum
You can get stirrups that increase horse speed
carmine matrix
qcq sucks I get randomly countered
feels like a coin toss
@plush drum hooded are best?
plush drum
I don't know
coral crow
Dude when it comes to melee fighting in this game with people that rush you
None of that shit makes sense
It looks like a clusterfuck
split hearth
i use lvl 20 breton, "friends for life", "never without one", and "iron lung". yes my horse dies easily but if they go for me i am quite tanky, and if u have decent aim u can slap kids with carcano quite effectively, while staying outside deadeye range
plush drum
But my war horse can keep up with my friends normal horses for the most part
split hearth
its the most effective way i can think of to stay away from deadeye
carmine matrix
where capture bags or bases
plush drum
I did some races and got annoyed at the poor sportsmanship lol
Im too nice to use mean tactics
split hearth
friends for life does seem to be a really shitty perk tho, to be fair
it gives u like 5% damage resistance, at best, at tier 3
modest crown
can u deadeye a defensive player minding his own business?
carmine matrix
btw dead eye range is gun range? what's the longest range I can go with dead eye? bolt action rifle with fast bullets?
coral crow
Remove Dead Eye, reduce all sniper rifle damage across the board, ????, profit (For PC, that is)
plush drum
I can't be bothered to worry about ability cards
spring ledge
Dead Eye range is longer than gun range although it isn't 100% accurate too far away.
mellow parrot
paint it black can't lock onto defensive players
plush drum
Between impulsive spending and just not pvping
spring ledge
But yeah, PvP needs Paint it Black disabled if they want Free Aim lobbies
modest crown
if we're talking about gun range, i'd say carcano with express rounds.
plush drum
Rockstar and good PvP are not synonyms
carmine matrix
@split hearth but I want more range to lock snipers on pvp
with dead eye
paint it black
modest crown
some may use regular rounds lmao
spring ledge
If you want range you want high velocity rounds
devout cliff
Carcano with express is Rolling Block with normal 😂
split hearth
dont touch me @carmine matrix you filthy hacker
plush drum
Is the range boost significant or no?
carmine matrix
@spring ledge I'm wondering if high velocity affects pib range
spring ledge
No because PiB isn't based on gun range
coral crow
btw
mellow parrot
how about, dual semi autos, paint it black, gunslinger's choice, and winning streak?
coral crow
The fuck are we supposed to spend our money on
split hearth
i use express ammo on all weapons, nothing else
modest crown
comes down to preference tbh.. RB is a one-shot reload rifle.. carcano holds several rounds
carmine matrix
@split hearth rdo is hacking simulator, aimbot for gamepad, triggerbot for pc with paint it black, god mode with slow and steady
split hearth
lol at the last bit, but yeah
plush drum
Outfits and horses and provisions and horse provisions and horse tack
coral crow
Once you have your horse, your role upgrades, your guns, and 1-2 outfits, youre set
spring ledge
Camp upgrades, guns, gun upgrades, horses, saddles, saddle upgrades, both wagons.
plush drum
And guns
carmine matrix
@spring ledge pib range is same no matter the gun? I think I can't target people with pistol I can with bolt rifle
spring ledge
Those camp upgrades are killer convenient. Stew pot is infinite food forever.
mellow parrot
pretty sure pib range depends on the weapon
carmine matrix
@mellow parrot u will spend all your ammo fast XD, tested
coral crow
As a PC player, I had the money for all of that within a week lmfao @spring ledge
marsh dirge
can confirm without a doubt PiB range is variable
coral crow
Collector is fucking OP
carmine matrix
I spend all my money on potions and ammo
marsh dirge
no idea if it's intended though
mellow parrot
yeah, my mausers blow through ammo super fast. I know the semi autos are technically better but I like the visual style of the mauser better
coral crow
I see them nerfing collector honestly
spring ledge
Because Collector is poorly designed.
coral crow
Making 5k a day is nuts
carmine matrix
keep in mind
split hearth
no, its quite easy
carmine matrix
we are not suposed to use external maps
mellow parrot
Feels like collector was designed without them considering the internet
split hearth
just do a full collector run. easy money
carmine matrix
then collecting makes sense
spring ledge
It's too obnoxious and worthless to do fairly, so of course people are going to use the map.
carmine matrix
@mellow parrot exactly
carmine matrix
@spring ledge it's nice, with map I get tired fast, without map I explore, use binoculars, take it easy
I just take random things around, then complete with map when I need moeny
sage quiver
I got to collector 20 on console without using the map 😂
Just did bounty hunts & trading and grabbed everything I found
mellow parrot
my friends don't have the attention span to run a collector loop. I quite enjoy it though
spring ledge
Without map you get 3 random spots on different sides of the world and have to run back afterwards 5 times for even small sets.
plush drum
I could do it but only with people
carmine matrix
because it should be hard, random
coral crow
Nothing should be random
spring ledge
Collector should have been designed to be more constant smaller amounts of money
coral crow
RNG is what ruins games
spring ledge
Rather than go collect 258 items when you can only look for 3 at a time before running back to buy maps.
carmine matrix
collector is designed to be played with binoculars, eagle eye and metal detector, not external maps
then reward makes sense
I tried doing coins every day and got burned so fast
plush drum
You should be rewarded for learning the spots but you can just be handfed by looking up maps
split hearth
how the fuck does this happen. my camp is in one spot, i die nearby, and the camp is moved to another location
fucking bat shit system
mellow parrot
camps are a bit buggy for sure
split hearth
a bit
💩
plush drum
I wish you had more control over where your camp went
carmine matrix
anybody here skipped story until performance is great to play it max graphix?
coral crow
What I personally wonder, is how much content do they actually have planned?
I haven't kept up too well with the game since it's ps4 release, but I believe RDRO has been out over a year right? And all that I can tell that was really added were the Roles.
Is content really going to be that slow? What content can they actually add? how far can they go before they ruin the Western vibe?
Locking themselves into a past with a game like this limts their options for future content, imo
marsh dirge
plush drum
Instead of location allow us to do location and then pick unused preset spots as opposed to a random spot
carmine matrix
@coral crow roles is a lot of gameplay
mellow parrot
RDO was technically in Beta for quite some time
carmine matrix
is vulcan suposed to get better perfomance than directx?
carmine matrix
what about nvidia?
marsh dirge
I experience stuttering and texture anomalies with DX12
carmine matrix
I have a gtx1060
coral crow
What
marsh dirge
but I'm forced to use DX12 until they 'fix' Vulkan
devout cliff
Gun rush wasn't originally there, they was added in February
marsh dirge
=.=
devout cliff
Other than Gun Rush and the Roles, I can't really tell what's been added as content
Western Fortnite
carmine matrix
how do I join?
I pretty much only play takeover series, all the others are 1 life or horses
I guess gun rush is on elimination series?
sage quiver
carmine matrix
I should try but I get bored of waiting between deaths
coral crow
@carmine matrix Are they really though? One is limited by crappy timers (BH), one is limited by time gating the content (Trader), and one is only used to powercreep money so you don't ever have to worry about money again. Devaluing money, just like they did in GTAO, and we all know where that went.
Iunno, personally I'm not sure how much content they actually add. It's a decent bit, but if that's all we get in one year~ of updates... the future definitely looks bleak
coral crow
Either do I, but getting paid $7.50 for a 15 minute mission feels bad
marsh dirge
it tells me being overweight affects my stamina drain and 'how much damage you can take'
coral crow
(Took 10 minutes to get there, 5 to turn in the target)
marsh dirge
chubby bulletproof 
carmine matrix
yeah I only do bh for fun
plush drum
Yes
coral crow
I got to the 4 star difficulty, at which point it's just not fair for one player to do it
And I gave up
carmine matrix
do the lfg
spring ledge
Red Ben isn't fun compared to Esta Doyle.
The constant spawning horsemen is just obnoxious.
mellow parrot
can you use the bounty wagon in the legendary?
carmine matrix
I'm quite happy with rocstar now, they recogniced every error tthere is, they released multiple patches, it's working better
spring ledge
Esta was amazing because she had a lot of people, but it was a solid number.
plush drum
Doyle was the one you had to identify right?
spring ledge
You kill all her girls and you've won.
Yeah.
Red is just FIVE HUNDRED SHOTGUN WIELDING BLOODS
marsh dirge
I've soloed Red Ben over a dozen times now, EZclap
plush drum
That sucked at first because one of my friends was off Mic and shot her
marsh dirge
hop on train, tag & bag him, hop off n ride away
coral crow
The horsemen that spawn in the Red Ben past 4 stars is FUCKED beyond all recognition
marsh dirge
wait, tag & bag is kill 
plush drum
Well I shot her but he started the gunfight
marsh dirge
tickle & hogtie*
mellow parrot
if I can use the bounty wagon I'm about to go solo a 5 star red ben
spring ledge
I'd be fine with everyone on the Ben train 1 shotting you if it meant no horsemen
marsh dirge
why would you need the bounty wagon for a single guy?????
coral crow
Which difficulty @marsh dirge , on rank 4 or higher they start shooting at you immediately, and have horse's running after you immediately
mellow parrot
cause 4 star and up are multiple guys
marsh dirge
yeah I don't know if I've played rank 4 or higher but the horsemen always shoot at me when I'm with other posses, too
mellow parrot
Just going to go in with slow and steady and juggernaut the thing
marsh dirge
yeah same
I use PiB, Iron Lung, Strange Medicine, Eye4AnEye
just sweep a few for a breather and keep on going
and give him a good smack when he needs it
coral crow
What do you do about the other targets then?
marsh dirge
coral crow
Go back for them?
marsh dirge
are there at least 2 extra targets at 4* and above?
coral crow
Yeah
marsh dirge
I can only carry two so I'd probably need to get the bounty hunter wagon
I deleted my character again lmao 
at least he looks swole
coral crow
Why delete?
devout cliff
there's a character changer
marsh dirge
started out male
deleted and made female for Dufort jacket
realized no pomade
deleted again, remade male
coral crow
There is pomade tho
coral crow
They have a few options that are slick
marsh dirge
not slick enough
sage quiver
coral crow
I think they're only unlocked if you use the pomade before using the barber though
spring ledge
I wish I could change my character save image
coral crow
If you find it, you can use it
carmine matrix
I bald
marsh dirge
female characters cannot buy and therefore not use pomade
marsh dirge
send video
carmine matrix
can I pomade beard?
coral crow
LOL
mellow parrot
I've used it but it didn't seem to do anything
mellow parrot
lol
coral crow
SEMANTICS
mellow parrot
lmao
mellow parrot
lol
mellow parrot
"It's not much, but its an honest living"
-Console player probably
mellow parrot
ok, don't go there. PC mouse controls are whack
coral crow
PC mouse controls are fine
mellow parrot
especially when dealing with menus
plush drum
If I tried to use a mouse and keyboard I'd look like bambi on ice
coral crow
Thats not with the gameplay itself
plush drum
For any game
coral crow
The menus for m/kb were just poorly ported over
very poorly
Buuuut
If you remember gta5s menus for kb/m
mellow parrot
also the lack of rumble when treasure hunting is awful. Whenever I use a treasure map I have to switch over to my gamepad
coral crow
They were shit too
marsh dirge
PC mouse controls in menu are fine
plush drum
My rumble motors fell out
marsh dirge
just use WASD for mouse waypoints since the latest update 
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