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marsh dirge
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also turns out you cannot lose honor or anything by killing player horses

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the horse will go into a "dying" state and then you can't shoot it anymore

tardy falcon
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Yo anyone down to posse up on xbox

waxen charm
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servers open for day 1 players yet?

sterile coral
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nope

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four more hours to go

waxen charm
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figured but just wanted to make sure oh well

marsh dirge
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ugh

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everytime you do a story mission it breaks and says "you have no active horse" then grabs the shittiest horse in the game

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even though during the mission I was riding my horse

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Literally Unplayable

waxen charm
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xbox or ps4?

sage quiver
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Gamecube

marsh dirge
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well not the doorstop so PS4

waxen charm
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lmao

marsh dirge
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gets on horse, gallops for 20 seconds, Horse is out of stamina and core is red, horse dies soon after

sage quiver
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Feed your horse you psychopath lul

marsh dirge
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not my horse

sage quiver
marsh dirge
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its the random shit one the game keeps givving you

sage quiver
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Ah I only had it the first few mins

marsh dirge
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yeah well my game keeps deciding to FUCKING IGNORE THE FACT I HAVE ANOTHER ONE

sage quiver
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Lol

zenith lagoon
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Is there a list of story missions in Rio somewhere? I assume theres not very many. I haven't seen a story mission in awhile now

sage quiver
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I've no idea

marsh dirge
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huh

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being honorable actually changes things it seems

lethal spoke
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How good is the online?

marsh dirge
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well

zenith lagoon
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I love it. But I do think they have just introduced the bare minimum with the release. Not too many missions to choose from. And all the side games/shows are no where to be seen. Was hoping for some poker

marsh dirge
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you can have the drunk reverends hair

lethal spoke
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Quick answer please, got to go

marsh dirge
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so id say 10/10

lethal spoke
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I've heard it's shit

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Sounds about right aswell

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Anyways buh bye

marsh dirge
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my problem currently is that idk where my next mission is lol

distant sorrel
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ngl fairly boring so far

zenith lagoon
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Best way I found to make decent money is doing all the story missions

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Delete char and remake

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Repeat

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You keep all your money and keep getting the first time bonus reward for missions

distant sorrel
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how much do you think you make each run

zenith lagoon
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You get like 500 after doing all story missions

distant sorrel
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yikes

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not even enough for a mauser

marsh dirge
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do you lose all the xp for challenges or player leveling

zenith lagoon
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Yep lose all that

marsh dirge
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500 is actually a lot lol

distant sorrel
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it is

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just saying shits expensive

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mauser is 1k

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๐Ÿ˜ค

zenith lagoon
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You keep the challenges

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Just your lelvel/items

marsh dirge
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cause i got the buckle for getting 6 kills without reloading

zenith lagoon
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Get reset

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Ya you keep that

marsh dirge
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oof

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does the story stop at the 50% mark>?

zenith lagoon
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I'm at 75%

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But I'm thinking the % might include gold medals?

marsh dirge
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i only have bronze lol so maybe?

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is the last mission you did the one where you check in with hurley?

sage quiver
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Wait, so you keep all clothes etc. If you delete your character ?

zenith lagoon
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I did the mission for the lady to hunt down her husband killer

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No

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You lose all that

marsh dirge
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what about your player rank

zenith lagoon
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So dont spend money till you ready to keep

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Lose it

marsh dirge
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oof

zenith lagoon
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Rank/items reset

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But it's like $500 every couple hours

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Dont think anything atm can compare

marsh dirge
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ehh

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I think id rather keep my rank though, idk

sage quiver
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Meh, rather do fun things than keep deleting my character over & over again tho

marsh dirge
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besides, my FUGLY guy has kind of grown on me

zenith lagoon
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I've only done it twice myself

marsh dirge
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FUCK

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the game blew up my horse again

zenith lagoon
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But if you were a money hoarder that's the way to do it

sage quiver
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Lol, my guy is the prettiest ballsack of all

marsh dirge
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bruh idk what happened

sage quiver
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Lol

marsh dirge
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i loaded a new session and there are like 20 guys in blackwater just have a full blown shootout

sage quiver
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Lol

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I went there yesterday, someone tried to shoot me as I walk in the saloon

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Spend the next 15 minutes camping the saloon killing those 2 guys with a shotgun before they left

marsh dirge
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If anyone can test if crouching hides you from the map that would be awesome.
Bypassers have so far not been very helpful.

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posted my guy

wise merlin
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What time does wave 2 of online Stert?

marsh dirge
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google may have your answer

toxic moon
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@marsh dirge If you don't want to be helpful you can always STFU. That is better then coming with some snarky remark.

marsh dirge
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woah there tiger, no need to be so aggro

dusk wave
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@wise merlin It starts 1.30pm UK time 8.30 EST

toxic moon
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Learn some manners kid

marsh dirge
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sorry dad

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please don't beat me

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it would be nice if I could just do these missions solo

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cause there is always someone who is just lacking in Vitamin D or something

wicked viper
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wish they'd give us PvE lobbies or such

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do you need 3 other players for all the missions?

sage quiver
wicked viper
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allready made o suggestion via the website

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shit id pay for acces to pve lobby

marsh dirge
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oh shizz

sage quiver
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Same lol

marsh dirge
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the old civil war fortress has free express rifle ammo in it

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those are locked till rank 31

wicked viper
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the one with the bounty dood in SP?

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the lemone leader

marsh dirge
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yee

wicked viper
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cheers

marsh dirge
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its a gang hideout now

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OH

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double shit

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found a treasure map on one of the guys i killed

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Pro tip: loot everyone you kill

toxic moon
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Has anyone figure out what year it is in online BTW?

sage quiver
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Not sure when exactly but its before the sp story

toxic moon
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There is no news paper to buy I guess...

sage quiver
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Judging from the map its right before, like Blackwater has the tents instead of the new buildings in progress

toxic moon
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Well it has to be at least a few years before then. So maybe 1890

marsh dirge
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oof

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dynamite arrows are a thing

sage quiver
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Lol yea

marsh dirge
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so far

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my favorite thing has to be

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Lasso a random Player who isnt paying attention, and see how far I can drag them on my horse before they break free

toxic moon
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What is so fun about that?

distant sorrel
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๐Ÿ™„

marsh dirge
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it isnt really, but thats kinda the point

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there isnt much fun to do right now

toxic moon
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Grind levels and gain money

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Grind grind and grind

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So when they add new things you are ready for it

marsh dirge
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yeah but its also funny to hear people freak out and scream at you when they dont realize they arent muted

toxic moon
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BTW if you have high honor you can't be lassoed

sage quiver
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Are you sure?

toxic moon
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Well that is what I heard at least...

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I still have to wait a few more hours before I can play online myself

marsh dirge
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well, it certainly doesn';t give you a discount

toxic moon
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How high rank do you have now @marsh dirge in honor?

marsh dirge
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well its not showing me the bar

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but its bright white

toxic moon
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It does not show if you tab D pad down?

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tap

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dont hold it

marsh dirge
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oh im like 5mm from the tip of the Honorable side

toxic moon
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so almost max honor?

marsh dirge
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yeah

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anyone on PS4 right now who is online and wanna help me test something

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oh damn im balling now

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1.69 Gold

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Just a heads up

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You have to be careful with the stranger missions

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When you lock on the NPC it will tell you if you willl lose honor or gain honor by doing their mission

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but some of them start automatically

sage quiver
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Yea I noticed that, got instant bad honor for talking to anthony foreman, auto accepted a kidnap mission lol

marsh dirge
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im also super disappointed that you cannot fish currently

toxic moon
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Do you gain honor by fishing in Online?

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Catch and release

marsh dirge
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its not implemented

sage quiver
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You can fish

marsh dirge
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wait how

sage quiver
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You can buy a rod at lvl 14

marsh dirge
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wot

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rip

sage quiver
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I saw it in the catalogue lol

marsh dirge
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yep nvm

waxen charm
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1.69 gold so you have gotten over 100 nuggets?

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are they that easy to find?

marsh dirge
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yeah

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no

waxen charm
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can you still sell them for 25$ each?

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Or are they strictly for Gold bars

marsh dirge
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its only for gold bars

waxen charm
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dang

marsh dirge
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money isnt terribly hard to come by though

sage quiver
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If they'd make it so gold bars can buy money, the gambling laws would be active again

marsh dirge
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well, whenever you do a treasure map, you will get something like .5+gold

waxen charm
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@sage quiver I meant like in single player Gold nuggets are 25$ at the fence

marsh dirge
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they also give you a large lump of cash, so they are very worth

sage quiver
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Yh only in single player tho

waxen charm
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You guys think if they ever add Mexico that it will be free?

marsh dirge
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why wouldnt it

waxen charm
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never know with companies these days

toxic moon
marsh dirge
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nah

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R* will get their money from shark cards

waxen charm
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so whats the currency like with Gold bars

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how many bars do you need on average to buy most things? because 100 nuggets for 1 seems like a lot but Idk the prices of things with bars

marsh dirge
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i think the highest price ive seen is like waht 11?

waxen charm
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and what was that for

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Horse?

marsh dirge
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i dont remember

toxic moon
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I saw a video for the camp and there was stuff there that cost 36 gold bars...

waxen charm
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damn

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seems like gold bars wont really be anything for us who dont buy micros then hu

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only for big boi wallets it seems

toxic moon
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No you can earn gold bars in game too

sage quiver
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It costs more gold if you're below the level needed

toxic moon
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ok good to know

waxen charm
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that makes sense thn

marsh dirge
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aww shit

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got another map off a body i looted from a gang hideout

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confirmed best way to make the stacks

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nice

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just found out the game is also resetting my horse bonding

sage quiver
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Okay apparently horse insurance costs 5 gold bars

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I just got the thoroughbred and insurance is 5 gold bars lmao

marsh dirge
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ok

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game is actively out for blood

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the treasure map I found

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3 grizzlies on it

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Yatta

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2.17 gold

sage quiver
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Nice

marsh dirge
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btw grizzlies give you 0 chance to survive

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unlike in SP you don't fight them off, they just end you

waxen charm
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Can you not buy the insurance with regular $ @sage quiver

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I thought gold was just an alternative.....

marsh dirge
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Nope

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the insurance is only gold

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@marsh dirge Just noticed the horse thing myself. However, it seems to get back up again rather quickly. Don't know for sure though. But I went from 0 to 2 pretty quick when I logged on again.

waxen charm
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Damn thats actually really lame

marsh dirge
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oh one thing you may not know

sage quiver
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@waxen charm not on this horse, thoroughbred

toxic moon
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You can earn gold in game too...

marsh dirge
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you can actually choose which region you load into Online in

waxen charm
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@toxic moon At a very slow pace

marsh dirge
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yeah you earn like 0.02 gold per PvP game

toxic moon
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yea ofcourse... It will probably take 10 times more time to earn gold in game then at work

marsh dirge
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Has anyone been able to test if crouching hides you from the map though? :)
My native american toon needs to know...

waxen charm
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probably not lol

primal dragon
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xd

toxic moon
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Where you dont hiden from the map in GTA 5?

waxen charm
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Also can you even make Native Americans?

marsh dirge
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yes

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For female at least, I felt the faces went from white > black > native american > asian.

obtuse elk
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Anyone else feel the RDR2O world feels very empty compared to the single player experience?

marsh dirge
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In the creator thingy.

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Choosing faces.

waxen charm
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@obtuse elk According to a lot of people yes

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I was always worried it wouldnt be great off the bat since they were rushing to even get the damn thing out on top of them being so quite the whole month about it. so hopefully it gets better later

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Just hoping the transition from Beta to full release doesnt take forever

marsh dirge
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It feels more like a stress test than a beta.
When submitting patches to console there's a verification process which can take some time.
Meaning there wouldn't be a whole lot of patches to patch in given the time from beta to release.

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Or QA > Beta even

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Does it still release for day one people in an hour or has that chwnged

waxen charm
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afaik same time

opaque ginkgo
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Afaik there is no confirmation when the server for day 1 ppl will be up, the 8:30EST is just 24h after ultimate edition holders got access

marsh dirge
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lol

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body armor

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im max honor, and nothing changed

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lol

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binoculars are rank 20

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pocket watch is 1 Gold bar

neat quartz
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Anybody playing online know if 1-you can play poker? 2-can you find horses in the wild?

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XD

marsh dirge
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1 no, 2 kinda

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none of the horses you find are worth, the arabian doesnt spawn

opaque ginkgo
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@neat quartz gambling is said to be introduced in full release atleast rooSip

waxen charm
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Lets hope a lot of things get added on full release because right now eh lol

marsh dirge
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im rank 14

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time to fish

sage quiver
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Whut

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Just got kicked from my session and now it says Coming Soon lmao

toxic moon
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Probably taking down servers for next group of players

sage quiver
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I'll murder the whole group

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Was just chasing a Target player lol

marsh dirge
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i caught a feesh

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throwing back does not earn you honor

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but it does give you Health XP

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actually

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keeping give you health XP too

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it could just be because im maxed on honor

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but the shit thing is that all the lures are locked until at least rank 30

waxen charm
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Max honor should effect the honor symbol from popping up

marsh dirge
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gonna try a race

waxen charm
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In SP im lowest honor possible and im always robbing people the dishonor symbol still pops up

marsh dirge
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ayyy

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I won my yfirst race

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I think honor is tied to lobbies

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Like it puts people with high honor together and vice versa

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would be nice

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lol

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0.01 gold

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$3.94

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and 178 xp

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trash lol

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for first place and MVP

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Yeah seems like shit is suoer overpriced and you barely get shit for money

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Do you know how much belt buckles and jewelry sell to thr fence

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I bet its a fraction of what it sells for in sp

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yeah not terribly much, but its worth it

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I was thinking a good money making method could be having a friend kill a ton of cops in a place where its hard to die and just looting all the bodies while he kills them, and then swapping with them. One person earning money and sellables while one gets xp

wise merlin
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Is wave 2 out yet?

marsh dirge
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Fourty minutes probably

wise merlin
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I love how it comes out just when I have to go out lol

marsh dirge
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Fuck responsibilities just call in sick for whatever it is so you can sit in front of your TV for five hours being pissed that you cant get in because the servers are flooded

wise merlin
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Lol I've got a driving lesson so can't really cancel it :(

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I've already taken a week off work tho lol

waxen charm
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oh yea servers will for sure be flooded today

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much more than yesterday thats for sure

wise merlin
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I can see the servers being fucked for the rest of the week tbj

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Tbh

marsh dirge
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A lotta kids will be in school so it might not be so bad honestly

waxen charm
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we'll see but I doubt it

marsh dirge
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If the servers are regional then america should be safe for a few hours

wise merlin
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UK will be fine if that's the case also

marsh dirge
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I think a lot of people were also not able to play on day1 due to having shitty internet amongst other things

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So theres a few barriers

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or we will get login errors

toxic moon
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Oh yea... does loot from corpses become better with honor in Online too?

marsh dirge
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not so far

wicked viper
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funny how its rated 18 and kid's being in school has impact on online servers ๐Ÿ˜›

marsh dirge
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i mean ive found some treasure maps

wise merlin
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They might as well just remove the ratings for games at this pont

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Point

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I was playing 18 rated games when I was 8 lol

toxic moon
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@marsh dirge That can be from honor... you don't get more money in story mode but you get more health items and jewlery

wicked viper
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when i was 8 i dont think there even was any ratings

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but yeah the rating clearly aint working

marsh dirge
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not sure then

waxen charm
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I think its the lower your honor that effects the loot from corpses and high honor is just discounts etc from shops

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Like low honor gives more snake oil and such

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Not sure High honor gives anything really from corpses

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All SP info though

marsh dirge
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seems like hunting Perfect pelts is worth

toxic moon
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Hard to do during the first hours though as you need to right weapons

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or arrows

wise merlin
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I wish there was a clean all weapons option

toxic moon
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It's not that hard... But it makes sense as it's realistic

waxen charm
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Rifles usually are Clean kills for eveything besides small game

wise merlin
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Yeah it's just annoying to do lol

toxic moon
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Cayote you need repeater for

sage quiver
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Foxes need repeaters

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^

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Those too

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Bears & moose are long scopes

toxic moon
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elk too if I remember right

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and bison

sage quiver
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Bison was rifle right ?

toxic moon
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rifle long scoped

wise merlin
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How do you fast travel after completing the epilogue?

sage quiver
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Did the hunting mission with Charles and it said rifle, I only had a springfield

marsh dirge
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smaller game seems more worth hunting

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Springfield works

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cause you can hold more pelts for selling

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@wicked viper all a game being rated M means is their parent has to buy it foe them if they buy a physical copy

sage quiver
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Is there a limit on pelts on horseback ?

dusk wave
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@wise merlin there's a map in your bedroom

toxic moon
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@marsh dirge It's just a recomendation

marsh dirge
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@sage quiver Yes but I don't recall how much. I've had 10 stacks at least.

toxic moon
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@sage quiver yes but its allot of pelts

marsh dirge
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Plus a carcass

toxic moon
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@sage quiver also depends on what sadle you have

sage quiver
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^

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Really? Pelts aren't even on my saddle

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Unplayable

toxic moon
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No but it depends if you have larger bags or not

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for your sadle

sage quiver
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I'll go for Max pelts, One carcass and a 2nd deer dragging behind me by my lasso

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Lol

toxic moon
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You can have an extra horse in your lasso.... more efficient

sage quiver
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Then it'll be 2 times max pelts & 2 carcasses, + extra deer

marsh dirge
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or get a wagon

sage quiver
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Lmao

marsh dirge
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and use glitches to force multiple stacks of bodies in there

sage quiver
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I tried putting my pelts on a wagon, doesn't work on SP

marsh dirge
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and bring it to town

obtuse elk
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There is no bandana in rdo right? And no bounty system for committing crimes either?

sage quiver
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There is

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I could buy bandanas

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Had a witness but stabbed her

obtuse elk
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ah okay

toxic moon
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I saw there is like a fuck tome more cloths then in single player

obtuse elk
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So you can still be crippled somewhat by bountys?

sage quiver
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Yea some more different stuff!

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Not sure

obtuse elk
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That 8 gold bar bison trenchcoat โค

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Didn't see any bandanas though

toxic moon
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Remember that we only have the bare bone of the game right now. They will add more stuff in a month or two

sage quiver
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Don't think they're that bad the bounties, its a Dead or Alive so you won't lose 1500 bucks on the bounties

ashen pier
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are the bounties always dead or alive?

marsh dirge
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yes

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Did they say anything about progress resetting? Could we go for level 50 trophy?

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its not going to reset

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this isnt a beta test

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its just being called a beta

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but its the start of online

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its never going to go down and come back up as a full release

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theyll just eventually stop calling it a beta

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Makes sense, i guess I thought it about it like an old school beta. Thank you

ashen pier
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that sounds like how ubisoft still calls rainbow six sieges ranked game mode a "beta"

wise merlin
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5 mins

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Will there be another update for this?

ornate saffron
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Iโ€™m hyped

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How hard is it to earn money?

runic light
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probably not tom

wise merlin
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Just a game restart then?

ashen pier
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yeah they had the update yesterday

runic light
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yeah

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im opening mine one min after 8:30

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just to be safe lol

wise merlin
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Might as well do it on half past exactly because if not you just restart

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This isnt gta lol takes like 5 seconds to load

runic light
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true true true lmao

ashen pier
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there is also the chance that what happened yesterday could repeat itself

runic light
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what happened yesterday?

slow parcel
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The horror

wise merlin
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GTAO Syndrome

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Is what I like to call that

ashen pier
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xbox players with ultimate edition couldnt log onto online until about 8-9 hours after release

runic light
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o h

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big yikes

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did ps4 have any issues?

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bc im on ps4

wise merlin
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It's even more likely to fuck up today

ashen pier
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ps4 didnt have any problems other than a few people had some unintended disconects

runic light
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hmm

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alrighty

wise merlin
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10

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runic light
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wise merlin
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runic light
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wise merlin
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Hype

runic light
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yee haw?

marsh dirge
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HAW YEEEEEE

wise merlin
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WAH EEEEY

ashen pier
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Welcome to RDO

runic light
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country bumpkins here we go

wise merlin
marsh dirge
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REEEEEEEEEEEEE

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rip

wise merlin
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Baited

runic light
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mine has no online tab at all lol

slow parcel
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I knew it wouldnโ€™t work right away

runic light
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oh

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there we go

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same screen

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now we play the waiting game

ashen pier
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restart your games/console and try again

runic light
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someone @ me when it works on ps4 lol

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ight

marsh dirge
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ive restarted twice

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its not up

wise merlin
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Going to do a hard console reset just to kill time

slow parcel
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Try whole console lol

runic light
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thats what im doing

ashen pier
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that screen is exactly what xbox players got to look at for 9 hours

marsh dirge
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whole console wouldnt do anything

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this isnt witchcraft

slow parcel
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Sometimes

wise merlin
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I love the Xbox one x boot screen

ashen pier
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is it different from the regular 1

wise merlin
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Yeah

runic light
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im gonna wait like 10 mins and check back

marsh dirge
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i even tried to join off a friend who has ultimate and its saying its locked

opaque ginkgo
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Just says "coming soon" on my end

wise merlin
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Probably on some sort of timer

runic light
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yeah

marsh dirge
#

You cant play online through gamesharing

runic light
#

just give it time

waxen charm
#

"coming soon"

opaque ginkgo
#

"In a theatre near you"

marsh dirge
#

I've got two friends over at my house at 5 so I really bloody hope it works by then

wise merlin
#

Can you not? @marsh dirge

marsh dirge
#

Otherwise I guess its just storymode fun

#

yes you can but that has no relevance to what we were talking about

#

I saw a reddit post that you cant @wise merlin

wise merlin
#

I'm not game sharing but I have friends who are?

ashen pier
#

Have some god damn FAITH

wise merlin
#

Oh shit

waxen charm
#

@marsh dirge that was for yesterday dude

sterile coral
#

@ashen pier ๐Ÿ˜‚

marsh dirge
#

AH

#

no thats specifically for the ult edition

#

That makes sense

waxen charm
#

Because it was only letting people who purchased Ultimate edition in

marsh dirge
#

Broooo, yesterday was freaking fun!

#

Yโ€™all are gonna enjoy online.

wise merlin
#

Coming soon suck my dick

ashen pier
#

i only got to play for like an hour yesterday but it was fun af

runic light
#

cumming soon

marsh dirge
#

if it ever comes up for us that is @marsh dirge

wise merlin
#

@marsh dirge fix the game pls

hidden fossil
#

Reeee

#

Colming Soon!

ashen pier
#

damn o'driscolls

wise merlin
#

This is so racist

waxen charm
#

They are sleeping at the R* offices ladies and gents

marsh dirge
#

Bruh fishing is just so peaceful

#

It wasnโ€™t bad really!

wise merlin
#

Rockstar is based in the UK aren't they?

steady wyvern
#

Scotland

wise merlin
#

I'm calling an uber

dusk wave
#

@wise merlin based in the UK, USA and a few other countries. UK one is an hour away from me

wise merlin
#

Go there and sort them out Paul

dusk wave
#

Lol wish I could

wise merlin
hidden fossil
#

-- Tuesday, November 27th: All Red Dead Redemption 2: Ultimate Edition owners. Please note, players who purchased the physical Ultimate Edition must redeem the Ultimate Edition code in the packaging to be eligible.
-- Wednesday, November 28th: All players who played Red Dead Redemption 2 on October 26th according to our data.
-- Thursday, November 29th: All players who played Red Dead Redemption 2 between October 26th to October 29th according to our data.
-- Friday, November 30th: All players who own Red Dead Redemption 2.```
waxen charm
#

So it's not servers got flooded they just haven't opened the gates have they right?

wise merlin
#

Why are you sending this kaybae

hidden fossil
#

Yes, a rolling release

steady wyvern
#

Does anyone know what time beta drops in UK today??

wise merlin
#

Now

shy notch
#

Iโ€™m just allowed to play now!!!

wise merlin
#

Litterly right now

marsh dirge
#

its supposed to be out right now

waxen charm
#

Should be open already

#

But they are asleep on the job

hidden fossil
#

To help us ease into the beta and to mitigate major issues, we will begin the early access period starting Tuesday, November 27 at 8:30am EST, and gradually scale the player base up to full access beginning on Friday, November 30.

ashen pier
#

it might be broken like yesterday

toxic moon
#

Tell if any day 1 players geting in...

hidden fossil
#

No, read it ^^

wise merlin
#

Kaybae we are all day 1 players lol

marsh dirge
#

have you tried turning it off and on?

hidden fossil
#

Yeah?

marsh dirge
#

why are you pasting the same thing multiple times lol

shy notch
#

Ok it work for me

hidden fossil
#

There was no explicit time listed for day 1 players. Just "today"

wise merlin
#

Every day 1 player can access on today at 8.30

slow parcel
#

I mean it said gradually

hidden fossil
#

I got in just now.

opaque ginkgo
#

@wise merlin theres no source for that, only speculations as it would be 24h after ultimate edition holders

wise merlin
#

Reee

#

How are you cunts getting in

opaque ginkgo
#

Restarting my game rn

hidden fossil
#

Reloaded my game.

#

Good luck to y'all!

pure ridge
#

When will it start?

marsh dirge
#

Can day 1s play?

slow parcel
#

Yeah just restart

opaque ginkgo
#

Im in!

pastel wraith
#

not very nice calling us "cunts"

marsh dirge
#

i think im in

#

longer loading than normal

opaque ginkgo
#

Have fun gents see you on the flip side

marsh dirge
#

all these pink dots

wise merlin
#

I'M IN CUNTS

marsh dirge
#

when trying to join a friend

sterile coral
#

im in too

marsh dirge
#

not working on my end

runic light
#

mine still doesnt work

waxen charm
#

I'm in

marsh dirge
#

im on 50% loading

wise merlin
#

Give console a hard reset

marsh dirge
#

forever

runic light
#

what console vinland?

marsh dirge
#

ps4

steady wyvern
#

Noice, I'm in

pastel wraith
#

yea a hard resest did it for me

waxen charm
#

Restart your game to get in

runic light
#

what the hecky

#

i did

#

4 times

pastel wraith
#

try again?

sullen tiger
#

IM SO HYPED im playing it now!!

runic light
#

trying rn lol

#

pls pls pls

slow parcel
#

People are saying restarting console

sterile coral
#

i did too, suddenly it worked. keep on tryin

marsh dirge
#

lole it said unable to join i havent accepted rockstars policy agreement and then went back to 50%

real oriole
#

i am in

marsh dirge
#

ayeee

#

i got it

pastel wraith
#

wait did u guys login to your social clubs day 1?

toxic moon
#

restarting too now and see if it helps...

wise merlin
#

God the charecters are so ugly

marsh dirge
#

bruh i got four monsters in my fridge & a fuck ton of oreos for this shit hell yessss

hallow perch
#

Anyone know how to get the bow? I see the arrows are purchasable in the catalog but donโ€™t see the bow.

marsh dirge
#

just like gta

#

imma sped

#

spend

#

so much time

#

making my guy look normal

pastel wraith
#

sadly beta dosent have much content

runic light
#

mine still has yet to work

pastel wraith
#

maybe rockstar fucked you and didint notice that u were a day 1 boy

runic light
#

i played the game on the 26th, does it matter what time i played it? or just that i got on the first day

#

im getting upset lol

pastel wraith
#

that u played

tulip hornet
#

I have a hunch the progress we make in this beta will carry onto the full version of RDR Online, right?

runic light
#

it should,yeah

waxen charm
#

Can you not change hair color?

runic light
#

STILL NOT WORKING

pastel wraith
#

u can @waxen charm

runic light
#

PLEAE

tulip hornet
#

It'd be quite repetitive to have us do everything we have done again, a second playthrough of multiplayer based stories is so annoying..

runic light
#

S

marsh dirge
#

Iโ€™m making toon now on PS4 wooo

waxen charm
#

How @pastel wraith

tulip hornet
#

Change hair color on MP or SIngleplayer? @waxen charm

waxen charm
#

No option in character creation

#

Mp

tulip hornet
#

Click on hair

pastel wraith
#

there is

tulip hornet
#

Same for facial hair (If male)

waxen charm
#

Nvm found it

runic light
#

i will restart my whole console once more

ashen pier
#

what console are you on?

runic light
#

ps4

dusky narwhal
#

I am getting the same issue, I went to collect my game in the morning on release day and played all day/

tulip hornet
#

I was dumb and quick in my MP Character Creation and ended up with a semi weird looking character.

Didn't notice you could Fallout 4 this shit and completely change it

#

I look like a weak-chinned Arthur Morgan.

vague quarry
#

Damn none of these faces are any good lmao

tulip hornet
#

You can change them

#

A lot.

hidden fossil
#

Everyone get the number 55962?

tulip hornet
#

Every couple of hours @hidden fossil

hidden fossil
#

?

tulip hornet
#

The game crash number, right?

pastel wraith
#

its diffrent for everyone

waxen charm
#

You guys went with females or males?

hidden fossil
#

The player number

wise merlin
#

It's mainly just the hair that makes the charecters ugly lol

hidden fossil
#

When you take your mug shot

tulip hornet
#

You can buy hair pomade btw, just cant do it in hair stylists.

pastel wraith
#

@hidden fossil its diffrent for everybody

hidden fossil
#

Noice. to meet you, Im 55962

pastel wraith
#

so u are a special snowflake

runic light
#

guys

#

still says coming soon

#

help

ashen pier
#

what console are you on @runic light

tulip hornet
#

Wait, STILL?

marsh dirge
runic light
#

ps4

#

and i played day 1

ashen pier
#

hmm

pastel wraith
#

rockstar probably fucked your invite up so u gotta talk to support @runic light

marsh dirge
#

These female goons ugly as fuck

runic light
#

i will try

umbral torrent
#

After yesterday's first disconnect my camp is now in a different place all of a sudden. Where's the first camp supposed to be?

marsh dirge
#

mine was in heartlands

umbral torrent
#

Near emerald Ranch there?

marsh dirge
#

not sure lol

#

between that and valentine

#

I think

umbral torrent
#

I'm at Heartland Overflow, directly above Emerald Ranch.

#

Yeah, exactly. That's where I was. All of a sudden I'm above Emerald.

#

The first crash put me all the way up left on the map, now it's above Emerald. No idea what this is about.

#

And there we go with the disconnect. Holy hell.

#

Anyone on Xbox actively playing without any problems?

marsh dirge
#

I've only gotten 1 disconnect in about 10 hours of playtime

#

I'm on PS4 though

umbral torrent
#

This is infuriating. Single player it is then.

vague quarry
#

What should you do for a name? Make one up or just go for a username?

umbral torrent
#

Took long enough to get into it in the first place yesterday and then 2 DC's in about 20 minutes.

frozen oak
#

Alright, my online is unlocked too but I have to wait 10 more hours to play because I'm working at the gates of hell.

umbral torrent
#

You "should" do whatever you like. I took my username.

marsh dirge
#

I don't think the name is used anywhere lol

#

when u can play rdo in 2 days sadart

tulip hornet
#

By the way, if Battle Royale for RDO turns out to be true..
I genuinely can see it being good.

16 - 22 players. Randomized/Generated spawns at a camp.
The first 5 - 10 minutes is spent hunting and looking for food.
The rest is just hunting for other players.

vague quarry
#

Rad, username it is

marsh dirge
#

you only see your psn/gamertag

vague quarry
#

Just thought it'd be a bit on the nose if I'm playing a female with Mr as the name

umbral torrent
#

Heh

marsh dirge
#

lol

umbral torrent
#

MrFemale

#

Tolerating world and such.

marsh dirge
#

Also my charachter teeth are ugly as fuck

runic light
#

for fucks sake

#

i cant get in

marsh dirge
#

I chose the golden teeth

umbral torrent
#

They didn't say anything on Twitter anymore. Does anyone know what is up with the MP on Xbox then?

marsh dirge
#

and I hate it

umbral torrent
#

@runic light Are you on Xbox?

runic light
#

and i cant even send support ticket for help

marsh dirge
#

and you can't change it as far as I'm aware

runic light
#

ps4

umbral torrent
#

Oh

#

So not only Xbox getting fucked right now. Oh well.

runic light
#

no its literally just me

#

everyone else on ps4 is fine

carmine cloud
#

No I canโ€™t get on either.

slow parcel
#

Are you actually sure you played on the 26th

runic light
#

yeah, 100%

slow parcel
#

You can check your trophies

#

See when you got it

vague quarry
#

Yeah I hate having the yellow teeth too

runic light
#

yep. back in the mud, i got on 10/26/2018 at 10:03 pm

#

actually

umbral torrent
#

They should've practiced the beta launch. haha

runic light
#

the first trophy i got was at 8:30 pm

#

@carmine cloud do you have ps4 aswell?

umbral torrent
#

They did it in waves and it still doesn't work.

carmine cloud
#

@runic light Yep

pastel wraith
#

i heard there was a better player creation button like fallout

#

any1 know how to use it

slow parcel
#

Well I donโ€™t know what they go off of

runic light
#

scuffed, my support web ticket still wont send

marsh dirge
#

@pastel wraith You can fine tune the presets.

slow parcel
#

Itโ€™s probably social club, the first time you joined social club with rdr

pastel wraith
#

@marsh dirge by fine tune u mean like brows?

dusky narwhal
#

I just joined social club for the first time today, like logged in on RDR

slow parcel
#

Yeah thatโ€™s what they go off of probs

pastel wraith
#

they dont go of that

slow parcel
#

What else

dusky narwhal
#

I think they go off your playstation profile

pastel wraith
#

thropys probably

slow parcel
#

Well anyone could set their time back and get a trophy then

umbral torrent
#

Or they go after when you logged into your Rockstar account.

ashen pier
#

they said it goes by their database

umbral torrent
#

Was that required at game start? I don't remember.

slow parcel
#

Thatโ€™s what I meant @umbral torrent

#

When I said social club

umbral torrent
#

Ah

#

Oh you said social club. My bad, didn't read it.

marsh dirge
#

@pastel wraith I mean in addition to selecting a preset type of brow, you can customize it further.

waxen charm
#

How

marsh dirge
slow parcel
#

Will definitely need that

#

Jeez

umbral torrent
#

Oh fuck me you can use sliders? Crap, I didn't see that.

marsh dirge
#

Aye

#

I spent quite a lot of time, then recreated when I saw the cheeks were way too "puffy".

umbral torrent
#

Is there a way to reset your character?

marsh dirge
#

So now I'm golden.

waxen charm
#

Can I delete my character lol

marsh dirge
#

Yes

waxen charm
#

I wanna redo it

marsh dirge
#

I did

waxen charm
#

How

marsh dirge
#

So we can talk about spoilers here?

umbral torrent
#

Do I then keep the Ultimate Edition stuff though?

#

Spoilers are allowed, yes.

marsh dirge
#

You can get it again.

#

What's up with meeting alden.?

#

He says discouraged men

#

But ain't that a line trelawny said to him?

tulip hornet
#

Also, we're supposed to get our free horse for online.. where?

slow parcel
#

In the stable

marsh dirge
#

Stable or ingame menu.

runic light
#

i went to get help from rockstar and i did the live chat thing

tulip hornet
#

I've gone to the stable and see nothing

#

Where exactly is it

runic light
#

for people having issues, this is what i got

marsh dirge
#

But you need to sell your other horse first.

runic light
#

Hi!

My name is Oliver and Iโ€™m a Rockstar Expert here to help!

You should be able to access it very soon, it went live for day one users 30 minutes ago, but there's a lot of people trying to get in.

Thanks

Oliver

umbral torrent
#

Great to know, thanks. Then I'll redo my dude once I'm not getting disconnected every 5 minutes. As long as I keep all my ultimate edition stuff.

tulip hornet
#

If I sell my current horse, then I'll get the notification for my Ultimate Edition horse?

umbral torrent
#

Ah now I can't even choose online anymore. "coming soon". Getting better and better.

tulip hornet
#

Cause I still see it nowhere in the stable beforehand

marsh dirge
#

No the ultimate horse is a race horse.

#

Just have to buy like normal

#

Except it's free of charge

#

Black Chestnut thingy.

tulip hornet
#

I.. know. I'm saying I've checked all the options for horses and dont see my free horse

marsh dirge
#

Under RAce.

#

Aha oh well

umbral torrent
#

Since you get a horse for free in the beginning I guess you need to buy another stable slot to then actually buy it.

marsh dirge
#

Or sell your old one

umbral torrent
#

Ah or that

marsh dirge
#

Which is what I did.

ashen pier
#

sell you original horse

tulip hornet
#

I mean I currently have $536 in game so I should probably do that.. Heh..

ashen pier
#

then a notification should pop up

waxen charm
#

Is character name seen by others or only online ID?

tulip hornet
#

Fair enough, will do. Thanks guys!

ashen pier
#

np

umbral torrent
#

Oh wow "online" is now completely gone for me. Not when you start up the game nor is it an option in the single player. If R* would only give updates or anything.

dusky narwhal
#

Check for game updates

umbral torrent
#

Xbox restart helped.

#

At least I can redo my character in the meantime if I can't play yet.

tulip hornet
#

Little tip: If you're all the way stuck up in the Ambarino mountains, just back out to the main menu and spawn somewhere else.

Takes less than 2 minutes

#

Had a Stranger all the way up there, hated it

distant narwhal
#

whatever i tried, my char is hella ugly

umbral torrent
#

Yeah they don't exactly turn out beautiful.

distant narwhal
#

he looks like a retarted young version of uncle

umbral torrent
#

Genius

copper cairn
#

Nephew

distant narwhal
#

XD

#

i hate it that you do not talk in cutscenes

copper cairn
#

Me too but it would be impossible without everyone having the same voice

#

imagine a gang of 7

distant narwhal
#

some template voices would be nice

#

yeah true it is pretty hard

ashen pier
#

they could have just recorded like a couple short lines

copper cairn
#

It is so much less engaging though I agree

distant narwhal
#

like "good boyyee"

ashen pier
#

especially if they want to have these story missions in online

marsh dirge
#

I have a pen

distant narwhal
#

i have an apple

marsh dirge
#

Uhh

distant narwhal
#

apple peen

#

lol

marsh dirge
#

@frozen oak are you playing?

frozen oak
#

I'm at work ๐Ÿ˜ฉ

marsh dirge
#

Oh ok๐Ÿ‘Œ

frozen oak
#

Tonight

marsh dirge
#

do i get early access to online beta if i have a disk?

#

so now all im doing is driving the train and tooting the horn

distant narwhal
#

if you played thefirst weekend, yes meko

marsh dirge
#

i dont remember lol

ashen pier
#

then just try every day this week and you will find out

marsh dirge
#

idk when i bought the game lmao

#

i think i played in nov 11th

#

all i remember is that i bought it on a cold night

runic light
#

i played first day but ya know ahem still not working for me at all

rancid lark
#

Whatโ€™s a good, evil nickname I can name my character?

#

Like psychopathic touturer evil

distant narwhal
#

happypuppies

#

if you know what i mean

ashen pier
#

its not that bad yet @runic light i had to wait nearly 9 hours after paying for the ultimate edition so if you think you are getting shafted just imagine how xbox players felt yesterday

umbral torrent
#

@rancid lark Rockstar

rancid lark
#

Redrum sound good?

runic light
#

you've got a point aidan

distant narwhal
#

Ubisoft*

knotty arrow
#

I have the xbox ultimate edition and hopped straight into online after work. What was all the drama about xbox online?

umbral torrent
#

RDO didn't work on Xbox. For some it still doesn't. Like for me, like yesterday evening I get disconnected every 5 minutes. But people can't even enter, I can at least enter. Which does pretty much nothing.

carmine cloud
#

Iโ€™m pretty sure it goes off of social club because on psn my first trophy was on the 26th but for the social club itโ€™s the 28th.

tulip hornet
#

I wasn't able to record it, but my horse just flew into the hair.. lost no health. Got back up, then duplicated itself with a completely different saddlebag.

#

RDO is.. wicked.

distant narwhal
#

lol

knotty arrow
#

Weird, I was able to restart the tutorial like 4 times and play with no problem. (Really need a character edit like gta:o)

umbral torrent
#

Duplication I had when I logged in earlier. 2 Alligators around who had another alligator inside them.

tulip hornet
#

The character editor is actually really in depth, I made the mistake of being lazy and sped through it

umbral torrent
#

It's better than most, yeah, but I wouldn't call it in depth.

frozen oak
#

So you can hunt in RDO? That's pretty awesome. Are the weather effects just as awesome in RDO?

tulip hornet
#

Yes

ashen pier
#

yes

knotty arrow
#

@tulip hornet Yeah, there's a good deal of customization. I just want the ability to re-open the customization if I get bored of my face or made a mistake.

distant narwhal
#

same @tulip hornet Now my character looks like he has the down syndrome

umbral torrent
#

I didn't know you could press A to customize further yesterday, so I ended up with a Revolver Ocelot who looked like he just has his hair like it and drinks a lot.

tulip hornet
#

Also I was watching multiple Twitch Streams and I swear every single time there was a storm in their game, it'd be storming in mine as well.

#

And I'm on Xbox and they'd be on PS4

#

I think so they can sync it for all players they must have it preset

ashen pier
#

On PC?

tulip hornet
#

PS4*

knotty arrow
#

The community is pretty much as I expected because I got killed by the first two people I saw in game.

ashen pier
#

ah ok

tulip hornet
#

There's a challenge in-game to walk 1000 miles.

Who's coming with me?

umbral torrent
#

Ha

#

love it

knotty arrow
#

What I didn't expect was the 4 friendly players who ran up and lassoed the 2nd guy who killed me and exacted some frontier justice. The 5 of us hunted him down and killed him repeatedly until he left the area. That was a really pleasant and unexpected surprise.

ashen pier
#

@knotty arrow atleast its not as bad as GTAO where there is someone who paid real money just to fly around and kill people with a flying motorcycle

umbral torrent
#

Ah nvm. I was thinking of the song "500 miles". Too bad they didn't make it a reference.

tulip hornet
#

That's exactly like old RDR1 Multiplayer, loved that @knotty arrow

umbral torrent
#

There's even multiple groups who started the whole sheriff thing. They'll watch out for the community and shit.

#

Must be fun.

tulip hornet
#

Anybody here on Xbox wanna lobby up for a bit?

knotty arrow
#

Exactly, the grindfest needs tweaking imo but it seems like there's a healthy balance of assholes and normal players.

dusky narwhal
#

Can you get the pre order war horse on online for free?

ashen pier
#

you should be able to

#

or that might just be the ultimate edition horse im thinking of

marsh dirge
#

Dont redeem any horses until you have five gold

#

Or yoy cant insure them

umbral torrent
#

Wtf

#

5 gold? Really? Why's that?

knotty arrow
#

Because Rockstar ๐Ÿ˜‰

umbral torrent
#

ha

ashen pier
#

its the premium currency in online

waxen charm
#

What are the card thing in the top right when you access weapon wheel?

#

Anyone got an idea

ashen pier
#

those are your perk cards

knotty arrow
#

They're perks

keen mica
#

for your dead eye

ashen pier
#

1 is for dead eye and the others are passive perks

waxen charm
#

How does it work

tulip hornet
#

I'm so glad RDO went with perks instead of annoying skill trees.

lethal spoke
#

Card dead eye is unlimited range marking

#

You can tomahawk from across the map

floral ferry
#

anybody know what to do with hides in online??

umbral torrent
#

Holy hell. My dude is cross eyed. His left eye is way further towards the middle than it should be.

knotty arrow
#

Sell them I guess, I haven't seen any item crafting for pelts.

floral ferry
#

ya but where the butcher dosnt take them

lethal spoke
#

Gold is an absolute joke

ember fox
#

so. RDO day 2. how good/bad is it?

knotty arrow
#

The butcher takes them for me.

umbral torrent
#

For me it's that I can't stay connected. DC every 5 minutes.

tulip hornet
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Despite missing the first 6 hours on Xbox

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Good

runic light
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update: i still cant connect at all lmao

ember fox
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i saw the first 17 mins which was just character creation and meeting a few story characters

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also

ashen pier
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@runic light oof

runic light
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yeah, big oof

ember fox
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maybe get internet that's worth more than 8 dollars lol

knotty arrow
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The intro being in different areas and giving you different clothing presets threw me off.

runic light
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its not my internet

obtuse elk
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Unfortunately i think the world is a bit empty, its weird that you can't say anything like greeting or even robbing NPCs?
The fact that people can see each other globally on the map is not optimal - this turns it into a GTA kill fest.
I had hoped they would be more true to Red Deads feeling of things taking time and consequence would play a larger role - but seems like people can freely shoot each other with not a care in the world

runic light
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oh wait

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nvm

lethal spoke
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A Lvl 1 can buy all the top weapons with gold

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Same with express ammo

tulip hornet
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I'm just gonna say, I feel bad for all the voice actors for Rockstars next project.
but DAMN will they be getting a nice big PAYCHECK.

lethal spoke
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And they've buffed express amno in alone

ashen pier
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yeah thats a little messed up

ember fox
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your character is mostly a silent protagonist

knotty arrow
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First attempt at character creation, I looked like a retarded default Arthur with a big ass nose in Valentine. Second time it spawned me West of Armadillo looking like John with a duster.

ember fox
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also what next project?

ashen pier
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but it wouldnt be a rockstar online game if there wasnt a pay to win aspect

lethal spoke
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Yeah but this is a special currency

tulip hornet
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Bully 2 (Hopefully)

@ember fox

lethal spoke
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That takes eight hours to make a single bar

tulip hornet
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There's been casting calls for it

ember fox
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meh i don't care about that series tbh

obtuse elk
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Its beta, so expect them to aadjust the numbers especially from all the feedback atm

tulip hornet
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Fair enough

knotty arrow
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@lethal spoke That's with 8 straight hours of non stop grinding missions.

obtuse elk
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And you cannot buy gold bars as of yet

marsh dirge
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Bruh

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I just lassoed a guy

ember fox
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i wanted some sort of sequel to L.A Noire

knotty arrow
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Not 8 hours of just playing and having fun.

lethal spoke
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Lmao

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So it's even worse

marsh dirge
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took him to a bridge, the tall one in the mountains

lethal spoke
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Can't even fish without getting killed

marsh dirge
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threw him off it, and he survived

ember fox
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cause he's a player

obtuse elk
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You have to take these calculations on gold farming with a grain of salt guys

tulip hornet
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In SP or MP? @marsh dirge

ember fox
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right?

marsh dirge
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MP

lethal spoke
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Grain of salt

knotty arrow
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@obtuse elk Not really, the math adds up. The only thing we don't know yet is if there's a better way.

lethal spoke
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The fact its a special currency is bad enough

frozen oak
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Looks like people are already hacking RDO

lethal spoke
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GTA V Still gave you a chance

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Shark Cards weren't needed

ashen pier
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how are you gold farming if i may ask

lethal spoke
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This is much worse

obtuse elk
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@knotty arrow Yes the math adds up, but its beta, you can't buy them yet with real money - so expect them to adjust numbers

ember fox
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are you sure this special currency is needed lol

lethal spoke
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Yes, it is

ember fox
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how so

lethal spoke
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Certain things are only buyable with the gold

ember fox
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no shit

obtuse elk
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Cosmetics

frozen oak
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People are spawning boats in the streets on Saint Dennis

ashen pier
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huh?

frozen oak
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RDO is being hacked somehow.

daring bane
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how

lethal spoke
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The Mauser is $1000

frozen oak
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No clue.

ember fox
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fuckin jailbroken consoles.

obtuse elk
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They could also just charge a monthly fee for playing online? Having some specific cosmetic stuff for rea lmoney is fine and you CAN grind them in game

marsh dirge
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I look like a fucking murfree

tulip hornet
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I'm guessing this beta time is time for us non microtransaction users to buff ourselves up and then once RDO is fully fledged and out there they will add purchasable gold.

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As long as its cosmetic, Im happy.

marsh dirge
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you are a murfree

frozen oak
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You look like an O'Driscoll

ember fox
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if there's hackers already, it's 100% jailbroken consoles with spawning hacks for rockstar games, since rdr2 just uses the same engine as gtav but it's updated/upgraded

knotty arrow
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Taking things with a grain of salt and being hopeful for positive change aren't quite the same thing. I understand what you're saying but it doesn't change how much of a grindfest the current state of the game is. People are upset at the current state and saying to take things with a grain of salt because it'll get better based on no evidence isn't really helpful though.

lethal spoke
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Gold is used to upgrade the camp

ashen pier
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@tulip hornet I agree, as long as it is only cosmetic and not flying horses with lock on missiles

lethal spoke
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Which makes your posse bigger

marsh dirge
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dont see all those crazy hacks on PS4

lethal spoke
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And unlocks other shit

ember fox
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but you are able to obtain certain amounts of gold freely, yes?

marsh dirge
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silly ROBLOX

frozen oak
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I have no doubt at this point that if the money system is hacked, they're going to wipe the servers.

lethal spoke
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Eight hours for a single bar

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Stop defending it

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It isn't good

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Nor excusable

peak shuttle
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So does the map dynamically change as you explore like it does in single player? For example, if you come across a unique building in the wilderness, will it be charted on the map?

ember fox
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i'm not defending, i'm just asking questions, feller. stop making assumptions

umbral torrent
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If they wipe this shit and I've spent all this time now for nothing on my character creation then I'll go on some sort of strike.

knotty arrow
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Also, yes this is a "beta" but they're not releasing a full fledged "Official" online update. This is it

marsh dirge
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@umbral torrent That's teh wrong attitude to have

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If they don't wipe and there are legitimate game breaking bugs

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it will ruin online for a long time

ember fox
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i'm fairly sure this isn't it lmao

copper cairn
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Still locked out on Xbox after multiple hard resets. Achievements unlocked on 10/26. US Central Time zone (after 8:30am here)

umbral torrent
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That was a joke of course. Point of it was I put real elbow grease into the customization.

ember fox
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they said the beta will carry over progress to a full release most likely, so you're wrong

fair spear
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Anyone else get a single player vibe from the multiplayer? Like, GTA Online felt like an online game, didnt feel connected at all to the single player, something felt 'off'. So far RDO feels right.

marsh dirge
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oh ok

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i tried to make my character look cool but he still looks inbred

runic light
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@copper cairn same issue for me on ps4, im waiting it out

knotty arrow
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There isn't going to be a full release

umbral torrent
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haha

frozen oak
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@lethal spoke there's nothing to defend. You can earn everything in the game without paying a single cent.

ember fox
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i didn't know you worked at rockstar

knotty arrow
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They're just going to update the beta, there's no downtime between the beta and non beta. That's what they said when they announced it.

frozen oak
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Rockstar also needs to make money to continue developing the games you love.

ember fox
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that does not equate to "it will always be beta"

peak shuttle
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The only players who get to play today are the players who played on launch day

lethal spoke
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It's TakeTwo

frozen oak
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And?

lethal spoke
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Not rockstar

frozen oak
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Ok?

knotty arrow
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You're right, but this is a soft launch. The fact that they're calling it a beta is misleading.