I've recently seen apps with video ads that take you straight to the Google Play page for the game. Not from the Blacksmith ad serving company. I was under the impression that type of thing was highly frowned upon.
#🔨blacksmith
undone fiber
little glacier
Wait why would the ad taking you to the Google store page for the game be frowned upon?
what else would it take you to?
undone fiber
Because it does so with no interaction from the watcher. I can understand sending me there when I click for more information but not when the ad plays by itself
little glacier
oh so they play the video then load the page without the user tapping anything? yeah I don't see how Google would even allow that. and I've never seen that.
I literally wouldn't play a game it if it's were constantly forcing my Google play to open lol
*ads were
undone fiber
There's ads that make it look like they're interactive and then pull up the page when you touch. There's ads that actually are interactive but if you touch at all they send you over there at the end. There's ones that are fully interactive but halfway through they change to "Opens Google Play" with no warning.
I've always figured that because of those things they were blocked from sending people there directly. After all, if they could do the direct thing whey bother with the sneaky stuff?
little glacier
yeah, that's bs. interactive ads are a good idea, but still the end of the ad it should be a button that says like "continue playing?" or "download now" or something.
undone fiber
Normally a game that isn't fair with ads gets uninstalled. I've had some not even last more than two minutes.
Blacksmith has outlasted 4-5 other games I've been playing regularly and probably about 10 that turned out to be ad filled junk.
It all boils down to one simple thing: It's fair.
little glacier
yeah, I think the ads are totally fair on here. they're not intrusive and the benefits of watching a 15 or 30 second ad is worth it.
but I'd still rather pay to not watch them😆
undone fiber
If they do make ads capable of being skipping I'd say they should make them show up the full powered up form first. I like being able to see what's coming, tell the game to hold off while I do something then start it when I'm ready.
Once you've seen if it's a powered up one it's too late to back out. Kind of annoying when you get powered up "Merge 1 higher" as with 45 seconds you can do both board #1 and #2 in the same boost
little glacier
oh yeah, I kept track for a while and it seems random when you get a powered one. I think when you click activate, that's when it randomly decides if it's powered. But, they could totally make it so you can still back out and have it be powered if whether it was powered or not is determined when the boost spawns, rather than when you activate it
I already thought about that before and totally agree
little glacier
what? 😂 @static bluff
sour marlin
Its strategy....I like it
static bluff
Like
You have to wait for the items to spawn
A button to speed up the process
👌
sour marlin
Rather than being able to back out I have to decide if I want to power up or not.
@static bluff there is a button
static bluff
?
sour marlin
static bluff
I know about that
I mean like
Something you can spam click
To speed up the process
sour marlin
That just gets abused by auto clickers
undone fiber
There's always the "Watch an ad to get 12 items now" button
sour marlin
If your auto-spawn is under 2.6 seconds it's not useful.
Plus you have to have 12 open spots for that.
So if you only have 6 slots open you spent 30 seconds for 6 items...
Which is the same as a 5 second spawn timer.
undone fiber
Honestly, that is the weakest of all the "Watch an ad" rewards.
high sequoiaBOT
Wow, check out @undone fiber leveling up! Congratulations @undone fiber, you are now Level 4!
sour marlin
Unless your spawning 3 levels higher boosted
little glacier
@sour marlin what are your thoughts on monthly subscription or one time payment to remove having to watch ads? if it would bring more revenue for the dev
I never use the spawn 12 tbh lol
undone fiber
Ah, that's true. However, some timers keep running when watching videos so that might backfire as well.
little glacier
when I saw the daily reward of "fill your smithy" on day 3 of playing, I was like um....ok? lol 😂
sour marlin
Yeah...honestly fill 12 and fill smithy are pretty weak. Worthless beyond the first few plays
@little glacier Not sure how the ads work but I think it would work except for auto-merge
I would say they would need a cool down on it.
Other wise you just spam auto merge...or use auto-clicker to keep it active. Defeats the point of the game.
little glacier
well I mean, you'd still have your cool down timers and you'd have to click to activate everything as you do now. just not as to watch an ad before they activate.
they couldn't have things just always be on :P
*have to not as to
undone fiber
It's been a while since I tested it but I think rewatching just refreshes the cooldown. Plus, if you've paid $5 or so for a fully ad free game what does it matter if they autoclick their way to permanent automerge?
little glacier
I'm confused what you mean about rewatching to refresh cooldown? that's not a thing. right now you activate auto-merge, watch an ad, auto-merge happens for 5 minutes, then you need to activate it again. It would be the same process without watching an ad.
undone fiber
I think at one point it didn't lock you out of rewatching it. That's when I ran the test.
little glacier
And if you want to talk autoclickers, if someone was really Keen on doing that, they could with or without an ad. You would just include a delay time of 60 seconds then click to close the ad.
undone fiber
I was curious if I could stack up a full hour of 2x boost.
sour marlin
Nope
little glacier
no I don't believe you can
I want a second device so I don't have to leave the game and be "idle" (earning 10x less) while I come here to talk😆
undone fiber
See, that's one thing I kind of dislike. I don't like it when idle games punish you for not having the game open. I get it for some games that are complex enough that you can't easily calculate the offline results but this one is hardly that.
At least this one listened and added a power saving mode.
little glacier
power saving mode is v nice. I think if you closed off the app for 5 minutes then it should go idle. But I leave for 1-2 minutes to reply and items stopped spawning. kinda sucks
undone fiber
I played a game once that had offline time capped to 15 minutes and it gave 0.1% of the base value. Both could be upgraded as you played but the offline % went to just under 1% and the offline time might have gotten to around 2 hours.
Then they pushed an update that massively buffed those values because they realized they were way too harsh
sour marlin
Someone send a message in general chat pls
little glacier
how long have you guys been playing blacksmith? @undone fiber @sour marlin
sour marlin
March 3rd....lol
undone fiber
Man, why doesn't Reddit give actual dates for things. I figured I'd get my start date that way.
I started the day they posted that.
undone fiber
Some of this stuff used to be way worse. There used to be a "Merge 2 levels higher" powered up boost.
little glacier
okay but level 1 for higher forge, wants 13.8D to upgrade to a 0.1% chance to forge 1 higher. Or I can just pay 264C for every new spawn to be 1 forge higher. That's 52 times less the cost for something that's 1000 times better. Lol.
undone fiber
That sounds like the start of board #2
sour marlin
One of yall do me a favor?
Can you leave the sever and come back...im testing something.
little glacier
sure what's up? and yes it's the start of board 2.
am I gonna lose my level if I leave 😆
little glacier
ok
undone fiber
Those bottom two are more of a "Buy then when they're cheap" thing. They're not really for main progression so much as to supplement it
sour marlin
post in general chat when you come back
little glacier
I guess if u don't want me here anymore for the next 30 seconds, I'll leave
sour marlin
haha...thanks
little glacier
gotcha solsund
idk, I think it should just be more balanced from the beginning tho
or make the % worth the cost of it at the beginning
undone fiber
I've got roughly the same complaint about the "% chance for double money" rune. There's times where it's worth using one Money and one "Money Doubler" but for the most part the doubler is far inferior.
little glacier
the earnings rune seems far better than the fortunate rune at any level.
also, if you buy all the runes with gems to get to legendary, you spend 6.4k gems to get 1 legendary rune lol
seems like opening legendary packs is much much better
undone fiber
It happens that the Earnings rune stacks additively. So if you have only poor Earnings but legendary Fortunate (which I did) having one of each gave more.
little glacier
so can you only put one of each type of rune per slot?
undone fiber
That's what I thought at first. You can put any type in any slot.
Being limited to only one of each type was the only way the Earning/Fortunate thing made sense to me at first.
whole bobcat
Are there any open codes available?
sour marlin
Yes there is
You cant be a casual fan though...
@whole bobcat Are you a dedicated player?
or should I say...and "AvidFan"
whole bobcat
Going to be
sour marlin
Well all codes available are for an "AvidFan" only....
whole bobcat
Thanks
sour marlin
You got it now? 😃
little glacier
what offers do you mean? @whole bobcat
sour marlin
Just the regular ads that pop up. We do have a competition room that occasionally gives a code to the winner for a game.
whole bobcat
Someone I am playing with said he got 300 gems for doing them. We started at the same time I wonder how he got the offers to activate.
high sequoiaBOT
Wow, check out @whole bobcat leveling up! Congratulations @whole bobcat, you are now Level 1!
sour marlin
@whole bobcat If you watch an ad your vault will give you 10 gems...thats only thing I can figure out..unless he is cheating...LOL
little glacier
lol btw we can't access our accounts if we download on another device I assume? :(
there's no login so I assume not
sour marlin
Correct. No save feature...unless you email yourself your player profile which is a complicated process that I'm not getting into
little glacier
ah your files are accessible on your device? I'm sure I could figure that out then if I ever wanted to.
I also can't decide if I should buy one last forge level on my second board (6 to 7 for 262C) or just buy like ... who knows how many forge levels on my first board.
idk when to stop focusing on the second board lol
dry zodiac
So using the collect until merge higher strategy I just surpassed 12 weapon levels in one go because it took so long for the merge boost to come along that I had a pretty decent part of my board filled with my highest weapon
I went from 36 to 48 in about 15 seconds
sour marlin
That works great
inland burrow
Are soul gems gained from income or merging
sour marlin
Not 100% sure but I believe gold gained...which h is directly tied to merging
sour marlin
I dont
little glacier
so for the income boost (i.e. 4 hours) does it base that off of your shown income or your idle income (10x less)? And does it count factor in the 15 min 2x income from watching the ad?
@sour marlin
sour marlin
The daily bonuses you mean?
little glacier
yeah it's in that. also can purchase with gems (not that I would)
sour marlin
Not sure...I would imagine its active income
little glacier
heh well I guess I will find out when I get it tomorrow.
sour marlin
Off to bed... night
little glacier
goodnight man!
dry zodiac
I just got a new phone and because I switched from android to IPhone guess who gets to start all over. Yay
sour marlin
Yep..oof
dry zodiac
Luckily the farthest I had ever made it was weapon 40 and I never made it to the enchanter so I don’t have to work too hard
little glacier
if you use the strategy you learned yesterday, you can be caught up in 2 days :) @dry zodiac
dry zodiac
I may and or may not have already caught up
little glacier
😂
little glacier
haha well it becomes necessary at some point if you want decent progression
sour marlin
Yes, its not common
quiet ridge
It should be the only boost to pop up 😃
undone fiber
If short times away from the game don't actually trigger the offline gains formula and also don't seem to actually allow progression (even at the vastly reduced rates) then the game also shouldn't take away time from Boosts or other types of buffs that are on timers.
It appears there might be reduced rate progression while viewng an ad. Though that still doesn't excuse having regular time loss when gaining at a reduced rate.
little glacier
I wonder how many ppl play blacksmith daily that never join discord
sour marlin
plenty im sure
dry jetty
about 50,000 people have played it, so quite a few indeed 😃
little glacier
50k downloads on the app store,?
mellow willow
Where should I report a bug?
sour marlin
Right here
whole bobcat
@mellow willow pretty sure here lol
sour marlin
@mellow willow What have you found?
keen pond
XD belgan its still going
whole bobcat
Only bad thing about owning a server like mine, monthly maintenance...
Next one is on the 1st
Trying to get it featured on Dishboard
mellow willow
Running iPhone 6S+ on iOS 12.1.3
I get notifications that my smithy is full of items, but every time I open the app, no new items have been crafted since last close.
sour marlin
@mellow willow I will pass it on to the Dev. Thanks for letting us know
Has it been like this for all versions?
mellow willow
Ah. Well I looked for pinned messages so I wouldn’t repeat issues. Didn’t see any.
sour marlin
It's all good...even if it's a repeat it means more people are experiencing it.
mellow willow
Right on. Well thanks for passing it along!
sour marlin
@mellow willow Is your phone in power saver mode by chance?
mellow willow
No. Not in power save.
sour marlin
Ok. I just messaged the dev to see if he knows anything about it. May be a bit for him to respond but will let you know if I learn anything.
mellow willow
Awesome! Thanks!
high sequoiaBOT
Wow, check out @mellow willow leveling up! Congratulations @mellow willow, you are now Level 1!
sour marlin
Really not sure why it would be that way...
👀
You breaking....I mean....testing....stuff?
whole bobcat
Ok I’m confused
whole bobcat
lol
dry jetty
Now when someone joins it should tag the rooms 🤞
whole bobcat
@dry jetty can i dm you an FAQ of my own? I made it for my server
dry jetty
sure
sour marlin
It worked...lol
sour marlin
😃 I was testing some stuff earlier as well...LOL
dry jetty
they're just the wrong way around 😅
dry jetty
fixed now
whole bobcat
@dry jetty check your DMs
sour marlin
Yep...all good
@mellow willow Dev just got back to me. "It's a bug where the game pauses whilst loading and resets the timer for how long it's been away, I'll take a look into getting it sorted."
mellow willow
Great! Thanks for helping out
sour marlin
That's my job! If you need anything please tag me any time
little glacier
omg finally got +1 merge lol literally been almost 12 hours xD
prob went through over 100 boosts
sour marlin
It's slow early...and speeds up quickly
sour marlin
Hi
whole bobcat
hai, i became an admin in a big server 😄
analog sphinx
Im currently at #29 my max ever was 36
sour marlin
81/81 first board. Somewhere around 35 or so on second board...just reset yesterday
analog sphinx
Lord >_> thats a big boi
Is it better early to try for small revives of around 100? Or hard pushes?
sour marlin
I went small...25 til 100, 100 til 500 or something like that
analog sphinx
Atm i been keeping sets of 8 of a semi hard item to get to, then hope like a MF for a merge
stark badge
Is there a cloud save feature on this game? Like if I download it on my tab will I have to start over?
sour marlin
No cloud save yet.
undone rune
How do runes work
sour marlin
You put them in slots
sour marlin
@undone rune
sour marlin
It makes that slot ONLY spawn faster.
vast hull
Oh ok thanks
little glacier
how's everyone doing today?
odd summit
hungry
little glacier
I'm eating at this moment 😆
odd summit
its hard to get food here at the moment cause my town is currently recovering from a tornado
sour marlin
@odd summit Where?
odd summit
ruston
sour marlin
La?
odd summit
ye
sour marlin
I'm near Houston
I'm about to go into a time share presentation...getting a cheap cruise for my effort
odd summit
rip your money
sour marlin
Haha...nah...I have willpower and wont buy anything.
odd summit
my parents said the same thing
sour marlin
Haha...I've been to em before. Free stuff n run
Alright....guess its show time.
Cya all in...uh...90 minutes I think
little glacier
good luck 😂 they make u do so much more work to actually get those deals after you sit through the prezi, from what I've heard
sour marlin
Yeah..no worries.
little glacier
blacksmith inspired me to learn unity and start my own project 😅 won't progress fast though, cause I'm so busy. will probably lose interest before I have any type of functioning game 😆
sour marlin
Haha....I'm planning on going to college (again... ) with game development as a focus
little glacier
I was in game dev major for two years but decided I didn't want it as a job/career. I'm doing marketing in business admin now and I like that way more. but programming is just a hobby that I tap into sometimes :)
sour marlin
I'm retired military with a culinary degree, about 4 classes from being a cert nutritionist, and about 1.5 years from computer science degree
I can do another 1.5 years of being paid to attend school well. Lol
@little glacier Well...I'm out with no purchase, a voucher for a cruise, and a voucher for a stay in New Orleans...haha
little glacier
ah thanks for your service then btw. but yeah, I'm finishing my fourth year of school in total atm xd
and nice dude 😂
quiet ridge
Send that cruise over this way belgan
sour marlin
Haha
sour marlin
Well I have been on 2 and have 1 scheduled and will be scheduling this one soon
royal mesa
Yoooooo what’s up
sour marlin
Hi
civic wren
Hi
sour marlin
Hi
rare gulch
I'm curious - without spending money, what's the more effective gem purchase - a permanent boost for gold multiplier, or lucky chests?
And what's the difference between the 4 chests?
sour marlin
The better the chest the more runes you get and better chance at higher level runes
Which is better is a personal choice
rare gulch
Gotcha. I was more asking efficiency-wise - does getting better runes outweigh getting a blanket coin multiplier?
sour marlin
There is no cap on gold multiplier but only so many rune spots. So I would go gold multi and just get chests from daily at first.
rare gulch
Thanks for the tip! I enjoy a lot of the design decisions in this game, so I'll keep going at it!
sour marlin
Glad you enjoy it
rare gulch
You're welcome!
high sequoiaBOT
Wow, check out @dense glen leveling up! Congratulations @dense glen, you are now Level 1!
sour marlin
Please dont flood
dry zodiac
So, is there a max for how many times you can upgrade income boost, offline timer, normal upgrades, etc.
sour marlin
@dry zodiac Some upgrades have caps. Income boost and offline timer I havent found a cap yet. 31 hours offline (didnt pay attention to what I purchased) and a 137 multiplier I think I'm at
dry zodiac
Ok. Does the forge speed/level have a cap?
high sequoiaBOT
Wow, check out @dry zodiac leveling up! Congratulations @dry zodiac, you are now Level 4!
sour marlin
Yes. 1.1 sec (level 50) and level 81 for level 81 spawn....lol
dry zodiac
I didn’t even think about the forge level, duh
sour marlin
Hehe
little glacier
level 67 on first and 27 on second board heh
sour marlin
Gotta start somewhere
little glacier
on day 6 of playing
little glacier
never reset before, I downloaded the app 6 days ago lol
and I also just got 4 +1 merge in a row wtf 😂
sour marlin
Nice
little glacier
when did you first reset?
sour marlin
At 25 soul gems...until 100
Then stayed at 100 til 500...then this it was 200 til 2000 or something...then just whenever I hit a wall
little glacier
that was very early on 😂 haven't reset yet, and rn I can for 160k
but 160k soul gems is really only 16x gold. quite. about actually. I'll prob do my first reset soon
gusty pine
If 1 gem is 1%
isn't it 160000% extra?
wouldn't that be 1600 times higher than normal
sour marlin
1600x the base value.
little glacier
ah yes I was thinking about it wrong
high sequoiaBOT
Wow, check out @little glacier leveling up! Congratulations @little glacier, you are now Level 6!
gusty pine
Man I've been using the "wait until merge one higher" strat and been great so far, got to wep 49 in no time and decided to do the normal auto-merge way to wep 50.
SO SLOW
holy crap
little glacier
I was doing 160,000 / 100 to find that it's 1600% lol (cause %1 of 100%)
damn resetting is SUPER OP then
gusty pine
Yeah
little glacier
jeez man ahaha
I wonder how the soul gems multiplier works with the multiplier from gems
like I have 15x income multiplier
sour marlin
little glacier
I wonder if that adds with soul gems or multiplies with it?
gusty pine
Hah nice
sour marlin
Still cant get much past 40 on the 2nd board
little glacier
really? why not lol
gusty pine
Do the merge one higher strat
sour marlin
The cost to get the higher forge is nuts...150I (big i) to go one level up.
little glacier
what would a small i be? lol i've never seen that before
sour marlin
No idea....lol
gusty pine
All I know is that playing the "normal" way sucks
high sequoiaBOT
Wow, check out @gusty pine leveling up! Congratulations @gusty pine, you are now Level 1!
gusty pine
takes ages to get a higher wep
sour marlin
50 is highestive.unlocked before prestige.
little glacier
lol i'm currently resetting everytime i hit 25 to quickly finish the reset and upgrades achievcements xd
to get more gems for more income multiplier
gusty pine
I'd play a day more and get 1k+ at a time
instead of 25 or whatever
would go way quicker in the end
sour marlin
sour marlin
81/81 first board
gusty pine
Nice
little glacier
every time i reset i'm basically increaing my income by another 1.5x
gusty pine
IFL 33
sour marlin
I'm spawning 3.7 currently on the 2nd...but I did reset today
little glacier
whats IFL
gusty pine
Item Forge Level
little glacier
oh
sour marlin
Level 40 IFL is 1.94J
little glacier
idk i won't do this for long, gotta continue working on my stats homework soon
and also want to work on my game 😛
gusty pine
And really getting to wep 50 by spawning 33s
will take me at least 2 days lol
it's so slow
I'll see where I get to before I get bored and manually play for merge one higher strat
to get it done
little glacier
that completely depends on how much you play tho
gusty pine
it's so much faster
little glacier
and if you're using the stacking method
i got to level 50 on my 3rd day of playing
sour marlin
I play offline only. Lol
little glacier
i eventually will
gusty pine
Yeah if you merge one higher from day 1 it's easy
little glacier
enjoying it a lot atm now tho
i this i started sstacking on day two
that's when i realized it'd be way more efficient
gusty pine
By auto-merging I'd need i think 2048 39s vs the 64 I would need if merging one higher
it's on another level of efficiency
little glacier
xd i don't even automerge when i'm busy bc like if you got 2 level 46s and those merge
that's like
half of your level 50 lol
gusty pine
yeah
I finished 49 and was like
let's see how long it would take
from an empty board except my 49
to get to 50
automerging
turns out, a lot of time.
little glacier
XD far too much
noble spear
Any tips for rune use... When to craft and where do you optimally assign them?
sour marlin
I dont craft unless it's an upgrade from previous.
I always put the gold increase in the spots
noble spear
Ok, have you upgraded the spots to have more than one rune?
sour marlin
Yes, but wasnt my priority
sour marlin
I spent them on offline timer at first, then 5x multiplier .
noble spear
Thanks. Seems like this channel is pretty active...
sour marlin
Yes it is.
noble spear
Has anyone figured out the formula for soul gems, for prestige? Usually, in other games, I would reset when I would double my current count... Does that strategy apply here?
high sequoiaBOT
Wow, check out @noble spear leveling up! Congratulations @noble spear, you are now Level 1!
sour marlin
@noble spear Its all personal preference
Lots do the double
I personally did 25 til 100, 100 til 500, and then I dont really recall
I now go til I hit a wall and cant progress and then prestige.
noble spear
Gotcha. Thanks
quiet ridge
I did five times for a while...now I can barely get to the soul gems I have
sour marlin
Yeah. I cant get there at all either.
soft kraken
Gameplay overall feels lackluster. It's a time killer, idles tend to do that, setting the phone down, what have you. Merge idles tend to add a more interactive element to it. There isn't really much going on that makes the game particularly exciting to me. The art for the swords isn't all that amazing, and you're bombarded with events, which is nice, but those events almost guarantee a required ad view to upgrade it for what is obviously a much better option. The auto merge for 5 minutes is way too short, and economic growth is linear, as in merge swords to get income > use the additional income to get one or two upgrades > merge those upgraded swords to get the next unlock > repeat. A lot could be done to make the game interesting beyond this, but the beginning grind to even get to the first prestige is barely worth it given how the game requires little thought or planning, and I'm not sure whether or not I care to see what the enchanting yields, probably just more content loaded with ads or paid content. Sure it's free to play, but it's obvious here that the motivation is ad revenue, and pumping out low quality games with low quality content en masse so the bored folks move on to the next thing. 🤷 love me or hate me that's what I've gathered in a day and a half of gameplay. I'm bored already, even though there's more unlockables, I know I've seen all the content I need to see, because the mechanics are so linear and generic.
pliant hornet
thats a pretty good summary imo.
soft kraken
And honestly, you could seriously chill out on the ads. Assuming you have about 20000 app downloads, if each of those people played an assumed 1 hour per day on your app, also assuming you make about $7.60 per 1000 views on your video ads, you'd be making this much:
Ad Freq. (Mins) 30 mins play 1hr play
5 (Auto Merge) 6 12
10 (12 items) 3 6
15 (2x gold) 2 4
30 (gem vault) 1 2
*Random events 3 6
Totals: 15 30
App downloads: 20000
Extrapolated ad views: 600000
Assumed revenue per ad: 0.0076
Revenue per day: 4560
So for 30 mins of play per day, you're still getting half of that
And still, that's probably a gross overestimate, but it's a really, really bad practice to bombard players for ads, especially for a lot of things that should natively be in the game. In order to supplement for lackluster financial figures in your economy as it is structured, you essentially have made it a necessity for people to double their income with ads, you've also supplemented lackluster spawn rates, with requiring people to watch ads to get more items faster, which still takes forever given the multi hour long grind to even get to what one may consider real content. Then you also take the one feature the game offers, merging, which becomes quite daunting, and require people to watch ads for a meager 5 minutes of auto merge; then, while the feature to get gems for merges is nice, you put them in a vault, and limit people to 10 gems per 30 minutes of play, after they've merged enough items to fill their vault to 30 gems. So you've time gated content with ads to incentivize people to play more, so they get more events, watch more ads, to hopefully get enough gems to double their income so they can do the same, repetitive garbage, over, and over, and over again. I thought Zynga died a long time ago, but clearly they are still alive and well in whatever poor excuse for a development studio you call yourselves.
One more thing. If you've read this TL;DR rant, and you're asking yourself "is this salt I'm detecting?".
Yes, yes it is. I don't know about you, but I'm sick of devs supplementing F2P content with ads, there's better ways to earn money from games. Like, I don't know, making a good game for starters; then the money comes. So yeah, I'm annoyed. Don't have a gaming discord if you don't want people to shred into your terrible games.
Fin
quiet ridge
Oh snap...haha
whole bobcat
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inland burrow
Um what happened
pliant hornet
he didnt have bad points, just a jerk about pointing them out
quiet ridge
Agreed...his points were valid
whole bobcat
But his approach was a jerk way
So much so that he was flagged for harassment
I even dmd every admin other than Venny
quiet ridge
I think the originals were just his honest opinion...nothing wrong with it...made valid points...wasn’t till you came in till he became a jerk...haha(not trying to say I’m blaming you, I can see how it might come off that way...not the case) I expressed my concerns about the ads and sounds like others as well...he seemed to have more knowledge and in-depth on the matter
little glacier
apparently I didn't get notifications for messages from this channel even tho I have them set to on :(
sour marlin
It's all good.
little glacier
oh wow that rant is something eh
whole bobcat
@little glacier i don’t wish to talk about it...
little glacier
is he still here 😂
whole bobcat
No, he left
whole bobcat
it started as a rant, then he started attacking me
little glacier
I see 😂 who gets that mad over ads on an f2p game 😂
whole bobcat
Ikr
sour marlin
I deleted a large chunk of the conversation
little glacier
his arguement was to not have ads and make the game good enough to make money other ways? but then.. it's not f2p anymore.. lol
whole bobcat
@sour marlin delete to your content, i screenshotted the good parts
sour marlin
I understand his complaints...he has the right to his opinion
whole bobcat
But he doesn’t have the right to harass me
sour marlin
However when he became rude it's the end of it
whole bobcat
I simply told him he was breaking rules, then he lashed out for no reason
sour marlin
I read it all...no worries
little glacier
maybe he just had a bad day. poor guy.
whole bobcat
@little glacier ik bad days more than anyone, and that is full on troll
sour marlin
He was ceanky....oh well
dry jetty
Aww, typically I’m asleep when there’s a good discussion to be had!
Although having seen the conversation he/she did seem to want to start a brawl. 😅
Also I wish his revenue projections were even right. That would enable us to make even better games!
little glacier
hahaha 😂
I'm enjoying your game so much, but not as much as I'm enjoying the ads ;) hehe @dry jetty
also I'd brought up in the past, do you think we'd ever see a one time payment or monthly payment option to not have to see ads? I don't mind them, but I'd pay to not have to watch them :P
dry jetty
Haha thanks @little glacier - how would you see no ads feature working. All boosts are constantly available and unlimited use?
little glacier
there would still be cooldown timers for everything as there is now, you just don't have to watch the ads.
so you'd have to be actively playing to keep enabling the boosts. but you can do that now. you just gotta watch an ad when you do it.
dry jetty
Interesting, another question. 😃 What would you price the feature at?
little glacier
that would depend on how much you make per person on average. so like, how much you make per ad click and how many ad clicks you get per person typically.
I've seen it before for like $1 or $2, which seems really cheap, but apparently that's more than what they'd make off ads per person. Just like, for instance, YouTube premium is $10/month, seems like they'd make more of ads per person, but apparently they don't.
but you'd have to figure out the math for your ad revenue :) @dry jetty
sour marlin
I think $5.99 would be fair
sour marlin
Well @dry jetty ....cant remember who said it but I have heard it multiple times. "Suffering in silence is the English way"
Us Americans are never silent...good or bad.
So your asleep when we are up, active, and loud...lol
dry jetty
Haha it's true. Us British will eat horrible food and then say it was tasty to the waiter.
Feedback is awesome, and Belgan nailed it when he said everyone should feel empowered to voice their opinion!
Feedback makes our games better. You should see our first game we made - without player feedback we'd still be making games as bad as that! 😄
sour marlin
Flappy Bird?
sour marlin
Oh...yeah...that was pretty rough as well
dry jetty
Our dev cycle/updates are quite simple. We put out updates, and if the retention is higher we keep the changes, if it is lower we try something else. Release games earlier than we should and embrace the feedback. 😃
sour marlin
Not everything will be loved by everyone. That's just life. Feedback about what you dont like and why is always fantastic when done respectfully.
dry jetty
Agree 100%. Our games are never 'finished', so if people are bored - we want to know and find ways to make them less boring for more people. The only bad thing here is that Swa.gg left before I could speak to him/her and get their ideas on what to improve!
quiet ridge
Basically doing the belgan method now...such a steep curve my spawn is 15 levels below my high...no point in merging...it would take over 32000 spawns to get to that level 54 and make it a 55...pretty much log in every so often to see if I made enough money to upgrade spawn level(which even then it would be 16000 spawns so still pointless) and hope I get enough soul gems to think about resetting
Basically this game can be dead for me now...with the crazy steep curve(which can only get worse the higher up I go) and watching ads which now is no reason to watch any...it sucked the fun outta it
sour marlin
Yep....there isna wall where progress is basically done
quiet ridge
Wish woulda known that before sticking money into the game...oh well was fun while it lasted...time to look for something else to play
sour marlin
Economy is being adjusted. Dont give up yet
Already talked with dev and told him it feels to steep.
quiet ridge
Alright...well will prolly put it off to the side for now and see if an update ever comes
sour marlin
Right now...it would take me about 20 days with no changes to my merges to get 1 more level of forge. The devs obviously wouldnt want users to hit a wall and quit. Im quite sure the update will address the economy.
If not, I will send you Bathilda's address and you can knock on his door, stick your tongue out at him and run away. Sound fair?
dry jetty
Sticking tongues out is my area of expertise.
@quiet ridge thank you for your feedback (and for supporting us financially too!) - it will not be overlooked. I promise your feedback goes direct to the developer via Belgan and myself.
quiet ridge
Thank you....I appreciate you guys and the devs take the time and listen to your fan base...I’m not sure exactly what could fix the game, most mobile games come to a point that gets grindy like this...however with those there’s other elements to the game, examples being different quests or pvp or doing challenges, etc...this is completely a one dimensional game...you merge to get higher, that’s all...If the curve gets lowered then pretty much theirs going to be a quick endgame...maybe a month of playing or so, which may not be so bad, not sure this is a game that can have that longevity as other mobile games(as stated above being one dimensional)...on the other hand if nothing is done with the curve then I feel it’s pointless to play like it is now cuz with no other aspect it’s just a grindy bore...not sure if there can be a middle ground or if lower the curve keep adding more weapons if they don’t want an endgame...I just feel something needs to be done, no idea what it would be...also, I don’t mind sticking $25 in a game that I played for a couple weeks to a month when I bought games like halo for $60, beat the campaign in a day and never touched again...haha
pliant hornet
im curious to see how the runes work when i get there. I'm hoping there's some strategy to what you put where and all that
little glacier
@quiet ridge I'm curious, what was your highest level on each board, your forge level, and how many soul gems do you have? basically curious as to when you feel it got too steep. cause I haven't felt that yet.
sour marlin
@pliant hornet Not much of a strategy...but does have some effect
little glacier
@pliant hornet there's not too much strategy about runes. it's pretty obvious which runes are better than others, so you put your best rune on your highest weapon.
pliant hornet
oh so runes only effect the square they are on?
sour marlin
Yes
quiet ridge
Second board...highest level is 54, spawn level is 39, got 2b soul gems
covert kestrel
What was the ping?
sour marlin
Dude went off on werdo.
little glacier
@quiet ridge oh yeah that in pretty far lol.
noble inlet
Hi there, question about the money per second calculation in the game. How is it calculated, because it does not seem to add up properly.
noble inlet
You know what, never mind, I'm just bad at math. Sorry!
little glacier
you mean when you're offline? the income of being offline is 10x less/second
sour marlin
Haha...it happens @noble inlet
little glacier
ah 😂 honestly it can be confusing because there's tons of multipliers on here!
sour marlin
If you have more questions or need anything feel free to tag me or any other admin any time
little glacier
I was thinking the best solution to combat the "wall" people feel they hit towards end game is to have an expensive price to pay (so only people at end game can afford) to up the offline income % rate.
sour marlin
I like that idea
little glacier
At first I was thinking selling a massive amount of soul gems to up offline % by 1% each buy (up to 50%). it would be interesting because you're lowering overall income in order to increase offline income.
but I did some calculations and I don't think there's a way to make that worth it. Because you earn soul gems so fast end game ( @quiet ridge said he had 5b?) and you'd be able to afford 50% offline income so quick. Cause anything more than 100k soul gems per 1% is really not worth it.
And that's only be 5m gems lol. Maybe there's something else that could be used though. Gems maybe?
sour marlin
I've got 7b and another 4b on reset...lol
little glacier
yeah exactly, so that definitely won't work! I don't think. Cause 1k gems basically doubles your income, which also would raise it 1% offline
high sequoiaBOT
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little glacier
UNLESS, dev made it so that soul gems only effected online income ... and you have to spend a ton of soul gems to increase offline income. That would directly effect offline income (% of online income) instead of how it is now (raising online income, then always being 10% of that).
sour marlin
Create tech trees for idle and online play
little glacier
other idea: Introduce an entirely new gem like soul gems, that also directly increases your offline income (1 gem = 1%), but these gems are earned much much slower.
tech trees? what's that?
sour marlin
You invest soul gems for bonuses...such as invest 1k soul gems to man the blower. Let's you tap to increase creation speed.
Spend 5k soul gems to improve your kiln. Results in higher quality weapons that are worth more.
little glacier
I think since there's already something that increases creation speed, that'd get messy/confusing. But most people late gem earn offline I assume, so I think a way to up that % (therefore you earn more coins and can spend that money to up the creation speed)
with that though, the gems themselves already are making everything worth more
sour marlin
Idle tree could be: Hire an apprentice. Spend 1k gems for an hour offline gains at 100%
Or hire up to 5 apprentice at 10% increased offline gains
Numbers can be tweaked ofcourse
little glacier
okay now that could be an idea. but I still think the issue is that, you gave to consider that spending soul gems will decrease your overall income, to increase online income. so you have to do math to figure out what makes that worth it? and I did the math, it's so much better to keep soul gems to increase overall income.
like the only way that could work since we earn so many soul gems (you guys are over 5b), is to charge a massive amount of soul gems. but then you're decreasing overal income by such a high % that it's not longer worth it.
sour marlin
Say the improved weapons gives a 20% gold increase......you spend em...in the long run the extra gold will gain them back
little glacier
so you'd have to make soul gems only increase online income %, or g a different route other than soul gems
sour marlin
Plus the concern is the steep curve of the weapon costs.
If you bring the curve down, give a way to spend gems on something that's a long term benefit I see it being worth while
little glacier
yeah I mean, the balancing would be so tricky. and if I'm honest, there's many things unbalanced on this game, that I wouldn't feel confident that it would be balanced well (no offense to dev).
sour marlin
Balancing an economy with a game with prestige bonus is difficult
little glacier
is there an ETA though on the armour board being introduced?
yeah I know it is
I think something could be done with the armour board
sour marlin
No ETA I know of.
little glacier
okay well, I gotta continue getting ready for work right now. I'll ttyl
sour marlin
Sitting in parking lot myself
little glacier
@sour marlin hope you're playing blacksmith while you're sitting there alone! 😂
sour marlin
I was actually....unless I was responding here...haha
I work as a crossing guard...I always show up early and play on my phone.
little glacier
what's a crossing guard do?
sour marlin
Escorts kids across the road in a school zone. Where you from?
If your Euro....a lollipop guy/gal
little glacier
nah I'm from Oregon we just don't have escorts here aha. I mean, in elementary school we did. but there were designated 5th graders who just held flags so people driving got the idea lol.
sour marlin
Gotcha. I cross a 5 lane road with about 100 cars a minute.
little glacier
yeah I live in the biggest city in my state lol but everything's pretty compact. not many streets that big unless it's a highway.
sour marlin
Haha...wel that makes sense then.
little glacier
wait actually, there's tons of 5 lane roads lol I wasn't counting the turning lanes for some reason 😂
but we just have tons of crosswalks in my city as well
little glacier
how many gems do you all have in your vault atm? 😂 I said I wasn't gonna purchase anything but I just might when I hit like 9k lol
little glacier
yeah I watch them every 30 mins (or try my best to) but, I still got 2.2k atm lol. I gain them so fast.
sour marlin
I dont merge
noble inlet
What does it mean when the upgrade shop button has the exclamation point like something is available for purchase, but when I go in to it there's nothing I can afford?
sour marlin
You can buy something...one of the 5.
little glacier
@noble inlet you can buy something with diamonds in epic shop maybe, or it's time to claim 10 gems from vault.
I'll look into it more, test it out and get an exact anser tmrw :)
noble inlet
Coolio.
sour marlin
@noble inlet You cant buy ANY of the 5 upgrades?
indigo obsidian
Yo
little glacier
hey! @indigo obsidian
noble inlet
@sour marlin correct. I was able to clear it by switching out then back in to the app.
indigo obsidian
I’m guessing y’all have been playing this for a while?
sour marlin
@indigo obsidian Yep...March 3rd...release date
@noble inlet So it's just a left over from when you could
indigo obsidian
Dang. I just started like 20 minutes ago.
sour marlin
Haha...well I am a ln Admin so I get to see the games the day its released.
indigo obsidian
Oh that’s pretty cool.
noble inlet
@sour marlin ok cool. Thanks!
high sequoiaBOT
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indigo obsidian
I’m guessing y’all also have all of the weapons unlocked?
sour marlin
Board one..yes..
little glacier
tnobody has unlocked all weapons on board 2
sour marlin
Board 2...no
little glacier
I'm close to getting to 81 on board 1
indigo obsidian
Oh there’s two boards?
high sequoiaBOT
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little glacier
yeah when you get level 50 on board 1 you can pay some to unlock another board
the alchemist board
I just realized I'm at level 79 woo. 1 more stack method away from 81
indigo obsidian
Oh cool
little glacier
welcome to the discord btw @indigo obsidian :)
indigo obsidian
Thanks I appreciate it
sour marlin
If you need anything @indigo obsidian, please tag me or any other admin any time
indigo obsidian
Gotcha 👍
little glacier
I think another good update would be a perk that you can level up to make the auto-merge speed faster, maybe possibly up to 3x it's current speed. it's so slow ATM and my items spawns every 1.1 second lol.
@sour marlin @dry jetty
little glacier
and also, I really think that the time for the game to go inactive should be reconsidered. 5 minutes would be good. if people want to log in every 5 mins to auto-merge but then not have the all open, they should be able to.
sour marlin
Off to bed. Keep the ideas coming
little glacier
I also hate that if I go to text people back (which is constantly) it stops spawning.. like I get if I'm off the app for over 5 minutes but it being immediate really sucks.
have a good sleep dude ✌️
little glacier
heh.. just hit level 81 on first board 8)
just a few hours past 1 week of playing
little glacier
would be cool but what would be tracked exactly? how would people be ranked? because people constantly reset their boards to gain soul gems. @whole bobcat
I guess the best thing would be highest level achieved on each board and total income gained overall. and total soul gems maybe. rank those things.
it's a good idea. I'd like to see it.
I'm off to sleep, goodnight 8)
sour marlin
Global tracking requires a server...plus people cheat anyway
slow harbor
So I’m kinda new to the game, and I was wondering, the rune that increases forge speed, do they only work for the spot they’re on? Or are they a overall value increase
sour marlin
Spot they are in.
Welcome to the server @slow harbor
If you need anything please tag me or any other admin any time
slow harbor
Okay, thank you! I’m still so behind, I just did my first reset at 25 gems last night
Only on the 25th weapon too 🤣
sour marlin
It's ok. We all gotta start somewhere!
slow harbor
I’d like to think I have a decent amount of runes though 😁
slow harbor
Jesus
slow harbor
Should I keep resetting each time I get to 25?
high sequoiaBOT
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odd summit
Your choice, I might end up doing that tho
high sequoiaBOT
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odd summit
Idk if this is a bug or not but I put the 1st weapon in a purple earnings spot and it didnt change the income for the weapon.
little glacier
I'd let it go for your gem shards are at like 100k first
corgi the background color on the slot is just in reference to the weapon.
slow harbor
I think he means the purple rune
odd summit
^
little glacier
which rune is it ?
odd summit
The purple earnings one, think its 25% more income for that slot
sour marlin
Go to the gear, click the eyeball, click show full income
slow harbor
It’s working fine for me
little glacier
oh yeah enable full income if you haven't
or try unassigning to see if you see the difference then
odd summit
Ye, did that. But the problem was that the lvl 1 weapon was making 3 gold a second, when I put it in the rune slot it didnt change
sour marlin
Probably a rounding error. What's the increase percent?
odd summit
Purple is 25%
sour marlin
That's why. It's a .75 increase....game says it's not 1 so it stays at 3
high sequoiaBOT
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odd summit
Figured that would be the issue
little glacier
congrats on leveling up 😂 @sour marlin
sour marlin
!rank
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sour marlin
15.7k til next level....lol
whole bobcat
!rank
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slow harbor
!rank
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little glacier
!rank
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quiet ridge
Wow belgan you escalated quickly
sour marlin
Yeah.....started playing active
sour marlin
Yes
warm copper
how many times can i upgrade a slot?
quiet ridge
Yes upgrade the slot up to 3 runs slots
high sequoiaBOT
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sour marlin
3 total
quiet ridge
Rune*
warm copper
neat, thank you belgan
sour marlin
So 2 upgrades
warm copper
and wolfy ^^
sour marlin
That's what I'm here for.
warm copper
you're our wikia?
sour marlin
Kinda....lol
I'm an admin with direct contact with all the devs and an avid Fumb player
warm copper
but...what if you're a dev in disguise?
quiet ridge
What’s power saver mode do exactly?
warm copper
saves power c:
quiet ridge
Yes but didn’t see a change in anything when activating it
warm copper
the fps drop significally
quiet ridge
Also, might need to get a new phone...this one doesn’t hold a charge anymore, not just cuz of this game...with no Game Center or back up file I’ll prolly lose all progress even if it’s from iPhone to iPhone same sim? Or will it carry it over?
sour marlin
I'm no Dev...I tried programming when I graduated HS...did the basic "hello world" program and when I ran it....it said
"Go away"
Right now there is no cloud save...but there is a plan for it. Hopefully in the next update
warm copper
when would be the best time to reset for soul gems?
sour marlin
I did every 25 til 100, every 100 til 500, and every 500 til I dont remember.
Then after that it was whenever I hit a wall
warm copper
...is that enough?
high sequoiaBOT
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sour marlin
Yep....will be a big jump for ya
little glacier
lmao @sour marlin I laughed when I read "go away"
yes I'd definitely reset @warm copper
sour marlin
Now that I'm older I am going to try it again however.
little glacier
yeah I've just gotten back into programming recently. learning unity on the side for fun.
I used to code RuneScape private servers back in highschool lol and did a bit of random programming in college
sour marlin
I just purchased a unity and C# development course...havent started yet but plan to at end of month.
little glacier
man there's so much free stuff out there! oh well 😂
sour marlin
$13 for unity, VR, c#, and a handful of other stuff
slow harbor
That’s awesome @sour marlin I thought about trying to do code and stuff, but with the way I’ve been lately, I doubt I’d ever get anything done with it 🤣
grand wave
Hello
grand wave
I’m only on the 13 th weapon
slow harbor
@sour marlin is there a reason why sometimes I open the app and I’ll have a forge full, but others I’ll have the same amount as I left off
sour marlin
@slow harbor iOS?
slow harbor
Yeah
sour marlin
It's a bug.
slow harbor
Rip 
sour marlin
It's something the dev is addressing. Hopefully next update.
slow harbor
Ah okay
little glacier
currently have 184k soul gems, bout to reset for 15m 8)
white lava
@sour marlin salut je me demandais si cest normal que en mode offline mes soul gem de saccumule pas
oups forgot its english here
i wonder if its normal that my soul gem dont go up when im offlinew
sour marlin
Ils s'accumulent toujours mais les gains hors ligne sont plus lents.
white lava
i didnt know you speak french
sour marlin
Yes, they still can go up but offline gains are slower.
white lava
i mean i dont get any
sour marlin
Yes, it's like a 10th of online rate I heard.so its VERY slow.
You still get gold when you turn it back on?
white lava
cuz i have 19 hours offline cash flow
and for the last 2 day i been just oopenning for some minute justg to figure that i dont get any souol gem
sour marlin
Yes, you get those 19 hours at a slower pace.
little glacier
yeah when you log in you collect your offline gold or can watch an ad to double it.
sour marlin
It's not just gold gain however.
little glacier
but yes offline income is 10x slower than online income
sour marlin
Upgrades make it jump faster.
white lava
yea but my soul gem still the same for the last 3 days
sour marlin
@little glacier Is the 10% for sure?
little glacier
that's what I calced if at before, I can double check too at some point
rn I'm resetting a lot for achievement
high sequoiaBOT
Wow, check out @little glacier leveling up! Congratulations @little glacier, you are now Level 8!
white lava
gratz
little glacier
soul gems only go up when you reset your smithy
white lava
i know that
sour marlin
@white lava Just getting on for gold doesnt do much
white lava
i mean my soul gem bank dont go up
little glacier
you mean the amount you can reset for
sour marlin
Upgrades play a big part
little glacier
we're not sure of the formula that determines how much you can reset for. maybe offline income isn't factored into it.
I'll double check that too.
white lava
i have 4 81 hammer and im still under my soul amount
little glacier
what do you mean you're under your soul amount ?
your reset amount is less than your current soul gems you have ?
white lava
yes
sour marlin
Can you send a screen shot?
sour marlin
iOS or Android?
white lava
ios
sour marlin
Might be the offline bug as well
little glacier
so, you had been offline for 2 days you said? and the amount of soul gems you can reset for didn't go up?
white lava
maybe cuz i cant double with add for the last 2 day
little glacier
how much was the amount before you went offline for 2 days and how much after ?
sour marlin
Do you have new weapons showing up when you restart
white lava
hive been on here and there but not for like hours
little glacier
gotcha, so you've collected your offline gold several times in those days?
but didn't watch an ad to double it?
white lava
i didnt had the option
little glacier
because no internet connection?
little glacier
so you are connected to internet but it didn't give you the option to double your offline gold?
white lava
exactly
little glacier
hmm. okay, I've never had that happen.
but I'm on Android
and so your original issue though, to make sure I'm not confused, is that the amount of soul gems you can reset for hasn't gone up?
white lava
yes
sour marlin
Ok...when you come back to the game has new weapons been forged?
sour marlin
Are they full when you go offline?
little glacier
okay. I'm testing if offline gold earned increases the amount of soul gems you can reset for. but I have to wait at least 30 mins for the offline gold to add up so I can see if there's a significant impact or not.
so I'll have an answer to this theory of mine shortly :P
white lava
yes belgan
sour marlin
Ok. So you may be getting the iOS bug that detects offline time incorrectly and not giving you proper gold
Therefore no great increase as well
little glacier
is your board full before you close the app already? or do you have a lot of empty slots and come back with new weapons forged?
sour marlin
He said it was full
white lava
no its full
little glacier
if it's full before he goes offline then we can't really determine if he's experiencing that known iOS bug, right? @sour marlin
sour marlin
Correct.
little glacier
because if it's full then we don't know if it's forging or not while offline ?
sour marlin
Try opening slots before you go off and then see if it gives you more.
little glacier
also, if someone was experiencing that bug though, that would just mean it's collecting more online gold while offline.
white lava
cuz with 1.1 sec they spawn fast lol
little glacier
so that bug should actually just have a positive impact
little glacier
well yes I was just trying to correct his thinking of your issue, if he is incorrect.
I really wish I had laptop for these huge gaps between class and work. could be learning unity rn :(
sour marlin
No...the bug checks from loading to then (few seconds apart) and then determines gains.
Which is why no weapons filled
little glacier
can you elaborate what you meanm
checks what from loading til when?
and gains of gold?
sour marlin
Short split...not sure exact time but it's a double check with first check overwriting original offline time
little glacier
you're kinda not being expicit enough 🤷
sour marlin
What ya mean?
sour marlin
Offline time. That's why gold gain and item forge dont work right.
little glacier
yeah, so on iOS, its just clearly not determining if they're offline immediately and that's why items continue to forge. but in that time of items forging, I'm assuming, it also gains gold at the online rate.
which is a positive impact for them, what I was saying earlier
sour marlin
It does a check when you return. It does it twice. So the "offline time is short. The rest if the time is lost as if it didnt happen
little glacier
so they never go offline, but it checks on load again if they were offline and adjusts income?
sour marlin
You go offline at point A
When you go online it creates point B
It creates a point C between A and B if yourboffline timer isnt as long as the A to B
The A to B or A to C determines gains
However a bug is coming on and overwriting point B as point A.
So its check shows no time between A, B, and C
So NO gains to be had.
No benefits, just drawbacks
So the time offline to online appears to not exist...
Hopefully that makes sense
little glacier
oooohhhhh okay now it makes sense
it just needed a bit more detail to make sense :P
little glacier
well, with this bug, people have exclaimed to get no income at all (neither online or offline rate)?
if so, than that's probably accurate
also I can confirm now, offline gold does impact amount of soul gems you can reset for once you collect your offline gold.
@white lava so when you've come back online, for your offline gold you've had a "collect" button (which you pressed, right?), but no "double" button?
this scenario seems unlikely considering the interface is created to have both buttons.
sour marlin
Unless he doesnt have a strong connection. Button would be greyed out
white lava
No it dont have the button
And ill check in 30 minute to check
I close itwith space
And im at 5 lvl 81 hanner
Hammer now
little glacier
what do you mean you close it with space ?
oh
slots open on your board
has it been 131m since 2 days ago?
also, can you send a screenshot when you do open it of what the collect interface looks like?
little glacier
okay, yeah I meant the 148 not 131
undone fiber
So I've dropped my daily streak for some reason. I was on day 6 yesterday when I logged in about 7am. Today I logged in first at 5pm. It likely uses local time as I've been playing at midnight and seen it reset right then.
little glacier
yes it resets every day at midnight
so you shouldn't have lost it if those times are accurate
sour marlin
Well....maybe daily sets 24 hours after last claim? Not sure.
little glacier
yeah it's definitely at midnight each day, but maybe there's also a rule that if you go more than 24 hours without logging in?
white lava
More then 24 hours lose progression
If you haven claim your daily bonus befor midnight you lose your progression
Well thats what happen to me ones
So after almost 2 hours i came back and got the ads button for the double offline income but im stil at 148m soul
vast hull
How dose the diamonds in the chest work like when will they replenish
little glacier
you mean in the vault? you earn gems by forging items, completing achievements and daily rewards. those gems go into the vault. you can collect 10 from the vault every 30 mins but watching an ad. @vast hull
little glacier
@dense glen ?
little glacier
if you end the close the app entirely (so it's not in the background/recent apps), you apparently lose the boost you had.
I had +1 merge and I was saving it until I was off work haha
little glacier
he should make it so the current boost is saved
goodnight !
heh I totally forgot I can do split screen on my phone 8)
nevermind it still pauses my forging :'(
cause u said sum weird stuff
little glacier
@hollow pilot runes only effect the weapon for the specific slot they're on
hollow pilot
So the forge speed and chance to double runes are only effective when a weapon is in their slot?
little glacier
yes :)
dry jetty
Hey all, if anyone is bored and wants to help us with localising Blacksmith - let us know! 😃
dry jetty
We have plans for French, German, Russia, Italian, Spanish and Russian already. All other languages we need help with. 👩🎓
dry jetty
🤣
quiet ridge
Maybe make the boosts like the bonuses and put them on a cool down timer...been so long got my board basically set up as good as it can be to jump 4 levels so been waiting an hour and half and still no merge +1...maybe something like forge speed every 2 minutes, gold multiplier every 5, and merge every 25-30 minutes or something so at least you know it’s coming at some point
sour marlin
In that 90 minutes you probably could have been close to the next level...if not there already...
quiet ridge
I rather jump 4 levels then 1
The amount of merges to get back to this point for one merge is not worth it
sour marlin
Depending on what level your at...you could probably have jumped 4...
sour marlin
2nd board?
quiet ridge
Of course...high ever is 56
quiet ridge
I was gonna say if you at 80 b and only at 51 we are really in trouble with that curve
sour marlin
Actually...the curve is still there...its pretty rough
quiet ridge
Spawning 39 so yeah it took me a while to set this board up which is why I don’t wanna waste it
sour marlin
But due to a floating decimal error...the cost to jump to the higher spawn literally says "Infinity"
The dev is aware and going to fix it as well
quiet ridge
Nice...haha
sour marlin
Im sitting on around 260K or something like that.
quiet ridge
For money? Or souls? Assuming money since my next upgrade is at J
sour marlin
Money
quiet ridge
Finally the merge came...which doing dishes so was just activating boosts and not playing
slow harbor
the fastest ive been able to get my weapon forge speed is 4.8 
high sequoiaBOT
Wow, check out @slow harbor leveling up! Congratulations @slow harbor, you are now Level 2!
pine linden
What up my dude
sour marlin
@slow harbor On 1st board or second? Starting it was slow..snow it's easy on first board...second is slowly coming along as well
@pine lindenhl Hiya
slow harbor
first lmao
pine linden
🤔
slow harbor
why are you like this
dry jetty
Was that an actual spoiler?
little glacier
got 7 levels 81s on first board, yet my single level 44 on board 2 is worth more 😂
lucid cargo
Did someone spoil the end of endgame? Ouch
sour marlin
Tell me we kicked em? Lol
dry jetty
Yep, first time I banned someone this year I think!
that's not cool too ruin something for everyone else
slow harbor
sad to see you had to, but spoiling stuff aint a joke
little glacier
I mean if it's a movie no one actually cares about that's different. but how can you spoil that? people gonna take it personally 😅
sour marlin
Glad I wasnt here for the spoiler...but I would have muted and kicked..waited for him to come back to kick again! LOL
dry jetty
Yep, it's a very unkind thing to do, didn't want to risk ruin it for anyone else
plus i havent seen it yet either 😃
slow harbor
dang, im sorry you had to see that then
dry jetty
all good, it's done now 😃
apologies if it ruined it for anyone else!
Thanks for flagging TheRadWolfe, you're living up to your name.
little glacier
how do you flag a message?
slow harbor
I just dm'd about the post
sour marlin
You cant. Just use the @ and tag Dev, Admin, or Golden Admin. We get the pings and will come to check it out. Im usually around all the time
IE: <@&423495095858233355>
Im retired and basically play Fumb games, monitor the room, and work a short shift as a crossing guard for fun...haha
little glacier
gotcha, I thought there was a proper flag function :P
warm copper
Could use a 'merge 1 higher' sometime soon :|
little glacier
you've only been stacking for a bit man 😂
sour marlin
Haha...I'm waiting for the update
little glacier
I usually stack 3-4 times longer before I get one
warm copper
i started stacking with the item that came before the hammer but ran out of space
little glacier
haha well keep it going 😉
dry jetty
That's a lovely stack you got going there @warm copper
iOS update is with Apple now for review, should be live before end of week 😃
New game icon too, so keep an eye out!
sour marlin
Thought so..lol
sour marlin
Yay!
little glacier
ooouuu is the app gonna auto update? (I think it would right)?
sour marlin
Ddepends on your permissions
little glacier
that's what I figured
high sequoiaBOT
Wow, check out @little glacier leveling up! Congratulations @little glacier, you are now Level 9!
little glacier
ayy it's lit lol😂
sour marlin
little glacier
just got back home, time to continue reading through the unity manual 😂
have you started your course thing yet? @sour marlin
sour marlin
Nah...not yet.
sour marlin
I'm working an extra shift every day at kids school....basically a full time job...so havent veen able to
3 or 4 more weeks for break and I'll spend time doing it.
little glacier
there's always time! 😉 I'm bout to start my second job, so basically full time between both. and got full time school :P
sour marlin
Also a husband, parent to 5, cook, clean, and watch tv... lok
little glacier
that's pretty cool, i'm only 23 myself aha
little glacier
i was definitely going to ask XD
sour marlin
Yes, any time
little glacier
nervemind i fixed it
almost broke my game trying to transfer my data file to my second phone (cause i'm tired of not being able to play while im on phone calls or texting) XD
sour marlin
Haha