folding-and-boinc

[stark bough]

main reason to go for a 1900x anyway is if you REALLY need to spin cores off into a VM

[brittle coral]

even if they don't have time to understand the hardware side

[stark bough]

trx40 should have been a sign to all of us about ryzen 4th gen 'possible' compatibility issues.

[silver wing]

I'd rather buy epyc myself, want that 8 channel ram

why? just cos

[brittle coral]

yea threadripper 3990x occupies a weird market slot

it's faster than the slowest epyc with the same core count

but with half the memory bandwidth and less PCIe lanes?

i get why they did it, it just seems silly to me that a CPU which is basically the same silicon with a different IOH but slower costs $2700 more just for all that IO. I know they make faster EPYC cpus as well but still you'd think they'd make the performance scaling linear like they did from desktop ryzen to threadripper

[silver wing]

well you basically can't without making epyc 32 cores and up only and stopping tr at 32 cores

it's not any different to Cascade Lake-X and Cascade Lake-SP though

[brittle coral]

yea basically

[silver wing]

epyc also supports RDIMM and LRDIMM and TR doesn't

[brittle coral]

its just new to me for them to segment the market that way. so many cores so many options @_@

[silver wing]

if you want that 4TB ram life 🙂

[stark bough]

goddammit usb 3.2

but with half the memory bandwidth and less PCIe lanes?
@brittle coral
mostly cause its just More avaliable to a consumer. consumer based socket.
I know a few youtubers who use a 3990x for content creation.

plus i imagine any am4 board will be easier to flip used than a threadripper board.

[brittle coral]

yea it def will be lol

i have a friend who just built a 3990x with 4 2080ti rig

they have 6 2080ti right now because 2 are going bad and they gotta RMA them, they run games okay but if you hit htem with a steady max load they will crash real fast

he does raytracing rendered 3D movie content

4k

folds for LTT when the rig isn't busy creating something

he barely ever has downtime though anyway. once he gets the 2080ti pair back from RMA tho he's selling them

[stark bough]

my friend got a $3000 check for a new computer

[silver wing]

surprised 2080 Ti has enough vram for that

[stark bough]

considered getting prebuilt for the lonest time. then asked if he had a microcenter near him.

his parts list was not 'optimal' but hes vbery happy with what he got.

[silver wing]

kinda wish socketed and built your own GPUs was a thing

[stark bough]

GPU's are basically mini computers that attach to your computer anyway.

at least socketed ram.

wasnt there a proposed standard of putting nvme storage right on the video card? for those FAT uncompressed textures?

[silver wing]

I think it would be fun to have a TU104 GPU and then run it with only single ram module 🙂

"how bad is it"

yea Raedon has done it, twice

once badly and once properly

[stark bough]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61ZA8RlamlL._AC_SL1024_.jpg

so many tiny fans and cooling

[brittle coral]

@silver wing he said that it just barely does at 11gb, but because of how much money the PC will make him he did it anyway since he can't afford more and he needs the processing power more than the vram for now xD

lol yea all these tiny fans now

[stark bough]

So has anyone here bought an mATX in the last 3 years?

[rich depot]

default dances

[pseudo abyss]

One of my computers are not sending WUs

Restarting my computer

I think it just bugged out totally

[mystic hollow]

@stark bough i have a B350 mATX board 🙂

and most likely will replace it with https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B550M-MORTAR-WIFI

[fickle needle]

folding dropped support for my oldy old GPU, but Boinc is still assigning it work 😄

[brittle coral]

Who was it that had a 3900x or 3950x in here already? i forget

curious waht PPD you usually get. i started the client and it was at 300kppd and then i stopped it to install a new PSU in the rig (giving my friend theirs back) and now its at like 260k from the delay, curious what's common avg

im running 20 threads on it for context

[brittle coral]

also these ebola WU are dank, they use 2gb of ram each and hit whatever card they're running on as hard as physically possible lol

14201

2080ti hits 2.5-2.7m ppd, 2060 is 1.2, RX5700 XT is 1.1-1.2, 980ti is 1m, 1070 is 750k, rx580 is 700k, and GTX1060 is 480k (430k for 3gb). also my garage is hot as balls xD

also, the 2080ti seems to be varying a lot but im using the rig to watch youtube HD as well

[stark bough]

oh man, unplugged my kb for cleaning, usb nice and warm

hard mode. typing everything on bare stems

[weary epoch]

3950x will go over 400k ppd at stock. or for reasonable efficiency, 250-300k ppd at 71W power target (the lowest power target you can set)

[brittle coral]

@weary epoch thank you, im in 250-300k range pushing it at 115w right now on the 3900x

[tame canopy]

I think my rig was like 5m ppd?

[brittle coral]

@tame canopy what GPUs? im just comparing the CPU aspect right now but thats good output 🙂

[tame canopy]

3960x and 2 1080tis

[brittle coral]

oh haha thats right i linked all my GPU results on these WU rn

niiiiiice thats a good CPU and still very capable GPUs

[tame canopy]

I do 3d rendering, so I kept them because they outperform a 2080ti by quite a bit

[brittle coral]

yea a pair would

my friend just got a 3990x and 4 2080ti to upgrade his 3950x and 2 2080ti rig lol

same work, RT 4k renders

[tame canopy]

very nice

I didn't quite have that budget

[brittle coral]

yea dude's lucky lol

im jelly

[tame canopy]

I mean I'm still pretty lucky with my budget lol

[brittle coral]

yea 😛

he's gonna have 2 more 2080ti as well once they RMA

he literally bought 4 more

cause 2 were going bad from how many renders they've done

[tame canopy]

I have the cpu on a loop, I'm probably gonna add dual 3080tis when they release

[brittle coral]

good call 🙂

rtx will be way faster

[tame canopy]

I use blender, so for the most part it just likes more cores

[brittle coral]

fair

if you use any RT though at all, anything that hits the tensor cores, it's a huge boost there

there was just an update for one of his apps that uses them now and its 3x faster with that enabled

[tame canopy]

wow

[brittle coral]

apart from the rig boost as well he just got

and 2080ti is supposedly beta RTX

and next gen will be 4-5x

even if the rest isnt that much faster

maybe 50% at most

[tame canopy]

blender 2.79 to 2.80 makes a huge difference

[brittle coral]

that might be what hew as using as well

let me look

[severe warren]

Anyone know why folding@home is folding with my integrated graphics in my CPU instead of using my gtx 1060? This happens after I installed new drivers for my laptop

[brittle coral]

@tame canopy its octane rendering engine

[tame canopy]

ahh okay

[brittle coral]

and @severe warren maybe something with your power settings

[tame canopy]

in octane the 2080ti is only about 30% faster than the 1080ti

[brittle coral]

word is it's much faster with RTX on though

with workloads that used RTX it was 3x faster he was saying

on his old rig

he gave me that benchmark before building the new monster

[tame canopy]

true, also depends on if your workflow uses rtx

[brittle coral]

yea he's doing 4k RTX video renders

[tame canopy]

nice

[brittle coral]

so it's a huge difference

[tame canopy]

Yeah makes sense

[brittle coral]

if anyone wants a used RMAed/refurb 2080ti he's selling both after for real cheap lol

[tame canopy]

I just couldn't justify the cost of them for me, a $2500 cost for 60% isn't worth it

[brittle coral]

he said his break even on a rig like this is just shy of 3 months avg

and that a faster rig actually pays itself off faster as well but more than a slower one, enough to justify 2080tis

not enough to justify the bump to titans though he said xD

[tame canopy]

That makes sense

[brittle coral]

yea even tho the margin on those cards is higher it's still more worth it if the performance is there, and this time it was

[tame canopy]

Do you know what board he uses?

guessing the zenith?

actually doesn't look like the zenith spacing is right for 4 cards

[severe warren]

Now it's showing up with 2 gpu's and 1 CPU wtf

[tame canopy]

well yes, it is technically 2 gpus

[severe warren]

Yea but it didn't do that before

Only the gtx 1060 was showing up

[tame canopy]

hmm not sure, I don't have an igpu lol

[severe warren]

i wish i can just somehow disable the integrated graphics

[tame canopy]

terrible idea on a laptop lol

[brittle coral]

yea its actually basically impossible

the way laptop GPU acceleration works can actually even be used on a PC with an intel CPU based IGP and an nvidia GPU because it's a standard solution on laptops and the code works on desktop if you enable the feature

but basically because the IGPU still is running your monitor natively and the gaming GPU is just passing through processing power, you need the IGPU to run the laptop. also battery life will obviously be severely negatively affected in non gaming tasks as well as heat

they've done it this way for years as well lol. on AMD cards idk how well it will work because AMD uses a different solution for their IGPU but in theory you should be able to do it also on a desktop if they haven't disabled it in drivers or something (not that they have reason to)

[severe warren]

ahh ok that makes sense

ok well since this happened right after i downloaded my drivers im just going to use DDU to remove all the drivers and reainstall

[mystic hollow]

@severe warren you can remove the laptop GPU from F@H tho, but you need to use the FAHControl instead of web ui

@severe warren find out the slot number of the IGP, then press Configure, switch to Slots tab and remove said slot

[severe warren]

how do i get FAHcontrol onto my system @mystic hollow

[mystic hollow]

@severe warren it is already installed

@severe warren click on advanced control

or just find it in your start menu

[severe warren]

ahh alright thank you '

[severe warren]

@mystic hollow hey thanks again man. It ended up working! This issue happend when It ended up showing 2 gpu's right after I did a driver update on GeForce experience. Do you know why or how this could have happened? I'm debating using DDU to clear up any weird drivers and just do a full reinstall you think I should do this?

[mystic hollow]

you got a laptop with nvidia gpu, which means you got switchable graphics (nvidia optimus), which means you really got an Intel IGP and NVIDIA GPU. The fact that the Intel GPU was detected was correct

there is no point in reinstall

[severe warren]

Ok thank you so much again

I was so stuck lol

I didn't even know there was a advanced options feature for folding @home lmao

[stark bough]

Web control is kinda junky imho

[brittle coral]

ayy can i get some advice from someone whose not a hyper fanboi child (thanks tech chat), trying to fix my memory clocks on all my ryzen rigs

the 3600 i have isn't behaving with XMP in all 3 of my ryzen builds lol

ive asked twice in tech chat but they're to busy arguing over $20 differences and AMD vs nvidia xD

[maiden grotto]

Folding for a pretty interesting project right now, thought I would share:`Project 16402

Disease Type: covid-19

This project is studying the NSP10 (Non-structural-protein-10) of SARS-CoV-2! NSP10 is an "activator" protein for critical viral function. Two other proteins, NSP14, and NSP16 are important enzymes for viral function, but they both require NSP10 to bind them and "activate" them. Without NSP10, these two enzymes would not function which would inhibit the virus from being able to replicate and transmit the infection COVID19. This makes NSP10 an interesting potential biological target, as blocking its role as an activator could provide a therapeutic opportunity. `

[brittle coral]

yay i did it, 2/3 rigs now are at 3000mhz rather than 2133 lol. it just refuses to post above 3200 and above 3000 it either doens't post or BSOD/kernel errors loading windows lol

[brittle coral]

and 3/3

its only 3ghz but at least it works

[rich depot]

Whats folding and boinc

[cursive palm]

2 Xeon E5-2420's working on Folding together. Creates a bit of heat

Whats folding and boinc
@rich depot
They are "Distributed compute" programs. Basically they use your spare CPU/GPU compute power to work together to solve a larger problem. F@H is focusing on COVID right now where as BOINC more does scientific research such as studying global warming, and diseases.

Links:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/
https://foldingathome.org/

The issue with Dell server Chassis.
One CPU is always hotter than the other:

[rich depot]

ah

i see

[kindred oasis]

Perhaps a repaste is in order?

[brittle coral]

@rich depot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU4qOebhkfs watch this

[severe warren]

^ that vid is great for folding @rich depot

[hexed bluff]

Hey guys I'm having a little problem getting my gpu to fold. I looked around online and it seems setting the bar to "light" is the issue. Problem for me: VRMs on my mITX board get a little toasty when I run higher settings. GPU cools fine. Anyone know a way to get the GPU to run even while the CPU is in "light" mode? Big thanks

[pseudo abyss]

Not that I know of

You can fold with GPU without folding with the CPU at all tho

[hexed bluff]

I went in to the cpu slot and changed it from -1 cores (let the client chose) to 4 then bumped it back to medium.

I don't think its getting as hot as I thought. Corsair link just a bit buggy with my mobo sensors

[rich depot]

@hexed bluff Honestly you are better of only folding with GPU anyway, even as the folding leader I only GPU fold. The power (and heat) is just not worth the science you get in return P.S. sorry for the silly late reply

[brittle coral]

@rich depot have you ever seen this before. one of my slots is intermittently showing a red FAILED instead of the green running indicator in the advanced viewer

is that just that it's failing WUs or maybe there's a hardware issue of some type?

obv anyone else who has let me know, but i figured you'd know in particular cause you have about as many GPUs running as i do lmao

[rich depot]

Usually means you have failed a number of WUs in a row, usually your OC is too high(even a factory OC can fail a WU)

[brittle coral]

i think the card is just going bad tbh

i got it used and they shipped it without any padding in a carboard sleeve basically Y_Y

i shoulda just refunded it lmao

[rich depot]

What card is it?

[brittle coral]

1060 3gb

so not a huge loss if it is failing wu

[rich depot]

Exact model?

[brittle coral]

i already told my business partner i'd give him it

uh some kind of EVGA, i dont remember exactly

[rich depot]

Hmm.... EVGA usually like to push theor cards tbf

[brittle coral]

yea also its not showing properly right now in hwinfo

i went to check temps

f

i am thinking that i should give it a more standard stress test and see if it's an issue for gaming or resolume, and if it's not give it to my business partner lmfao

he has a 780ti

actually, if it tests good i think im just gonna sell it

prices on parts ahve gone up since i bought it lmfao

i have a homie who has price locked inventory for me in writing i can tap if need be for another card lol

F, its just outside the ebay return window lol

contacted seller to see if EVGA still has warranty on it and if so i could RMA it at least

it's showing up again after a reboot, im gonna underclock it a bit to see if it helps

[brittle coral]

ugh yea its immediately failing now

it disappeared again in OS and i can't try downclocking it again without rebooting repeatedly lmao

[unreal rapids]

What does the finish button do on FAHControl?

[hushed bobcat]

it lets the current WU complete then pauses

[unreal rapids]

thanks

[severe warren]

Hey guys so I was just running folding@home on my main PC and I just got a "thread stuck in device driver" error . Anyone know what this means? I have a b350 motherboard and a Vega 56 graphics card

[brittle coral]

no clue but if it's on the GPU slot i'd wager running DDU and reinstalling drivers is in order

[severe warren]

yea makes sense

there is proof out there that says that folding@home actually helps the cause right?

[brittle coral]

i mean, there's no guarantees that any of these projects will succeed in anything in and of themselves, but the research they are doing will help them learn things that help refine the search targets as well

there's lots of different universities putting projects into the system

if you want to learn more about each work unit you can look and on the web viewer there's usually a link to the project page

i would assume that as with all scientific endeavors that not all angles we are folding on will bear fruit, but that's still beneficial because it at the very least eliminates possible branches on the tree of research they're working within to focus on others

[stark bough]

getting 1,000,000 points on a project should entitle me to use the researcher at the university as a reference 😛

[severe warren]

ok because a lot of people over at another tech discord I'm in said that this is not helping at all and is "just a drop in the bucket to what researchers could do with servers" they also said that the electricity bills skyrocket but ill have my parents worry about that one 😋

[brittle coral]

1 mil maybe not, get 1 billion and then we'll talk 😛

they're full of shit

folding@home is orders of magnitude faster than the world's fastest super computers

its faster now than something like the top 150-200 or more

because the the majority of that processing power is in the top few and uh yea, its a lot

[severe warren]

ok well thats great to hear

oh yea i also just hit 10mil

[brittle coral]

imperium take a look at this chart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500

the performance metrics may not be a linear translation of performance since the different instruction sets will affect things, but if we just ignore that and go by the numbers

the fastest SC is like 150-200 petaflops

by comparison

folding@home last i HEARD had hit over 2.6 exaflops

[severe warren]

gawd damn

yea ur right

thats insane

[brittle coral]

wait hold on i may have misread the peak numbers as well

let me check this chart better xD

im tired

[severe warren]

lmao its ok

[stark bough]

yeah but how much is lost due to 'redundancy' and reryfying that out of the wu's assigned, and theoretical power, how many wu's are bad and just thrown out?

[brittle coral]

because thats not the same order of magnitude xD

nvm yea its petaflops lol

but still

that makes it still much faster

[severe warren]

yep that is true

[brittle coral]

also @stark bough if a work unit is bad or thrown out it's examined and if it was the fault of the card it's reissued, and i don't believe they run multiple instances of the same work unless they have to

bad work gets thrown out on super computers to though

it generally doesn't spit out bad results but if your input is corrupted well

yea

it can happen

[stark bough]

still. i doubt that the 'total amount of processing power compared to useable isnt quite on the level of a supercomputer.

[brittle coral]

doing it on a distributed scale actually helps with that because the vast majority of your processing power will be held in just a small % of the fastest nodes on the network anyway

[stark bough]

since unlike an institution's hardware, theres a significantly higher drop out rate.

[brittle coral]

i don't think that drop out rate is significant enough to affect that scale

even if 50% of the work was thrown out we'd still be on the exascale computation level

thats 5x faster than the IBM Summit system that DOD energy uses

which i quoted at 200pflops

and many of the nodes on the folding network are in fact smaller scale HPC systems built using the same hardware

people are donating probably 400-600pflops from nodes like those alone

just scattered out onto smaller farms

and AWS

other smaller universities that have dedicated hardware per office that sits idle

i've seen a bunch of university teams on the list

[stark bough]

yeah, i know we have the critical mass, just wondering if theres a significant discrepency due to drop out.

[severe warren]

even if there is one its still a lot faster than the fastest

even if its 70%

or maybe higher

[brittle coral]

yea

thats the point lol

we could litearlly have a 70% failure rate and still be above par

[severe warren]

yep

[brittle coral]

and i highly doubt we are at above 25%

im sure people fail work due to OCs and having to reinstall cause they brick stuff

ive fucked tons of units over that way

but those

those get sent back out mostly

[severe warren]

idk the facts check out so i believe in this cause lol

[brittle coral]

it just slows things down usually if it doesn't get spat back to the server directly

and your parts go in for a new WU as soon as you're reinstalled again

i've been doing distributed computing for over a decade

long enough to see Seti@home go from being brand new, cpu only

to release a GPU client

to saying ooh look we are done, we finished all our data

they didn't find aliens

but

in that time a lot of other projects did find stuff useful

[stark bough]

to "fuck it, let me jusr run these units cause i like having a fancy screensaver that completes in 3:21."

[brittle coral]

f@h apparently helped with some work on aids research that panned out

yea lol i remember when people ran it for the screensaver alone at work

they had access to install software on their PCs so they'd install BOINC and run WCG or something

[stark bough]

yea lol i remember when people ran it for the screensaver alone at work
@brittle coral
Hey, while you install this fancy screensaver....
||Can you hook me up with Google Ultron?||

[brittle coral]

god, i remember world community grid from like 2004

lmao

LOL

[stark bough]

I hear its what NASA uses.

[brittle coral]

right

[stark bough]

Dont worry, i wont tell jill from accounting.

[brittle coral]

it's fine let me go find my 3.5" floppy disk caddy im sure i have a copy of ultron somewhere in there

[severe warren]

wait but google ultron is litterally exactly like chrome

[brittle coral]

yea but it's better

[severe warren]

how lol?

[brittle coral]

it's powered by adobe reader

and nasa uses it because its the only browser that meeds their standards!

[severe warren]

LMAO

[stark bough]

https://i.imgur.com/rxiH7XK.png

[severe warren]

mobius do you have some machines running folding@home?

[stark bough]

just my 3700x/1070

had my 4790 plex running it earlier.

[severe warren]

awesome

[stark bough]

im no where near the level of these guys.

[severe warren]

yea any help is great tbh

[stark bough]

https://i.imgur.com/eNGhg7K.png

[severe warren]

im running 5 machines rn

[stark bough]

https://i.imgur.com/9tVL6kK.png

Heres the entire collection if you're bored.

[severe warren]

lol i go over it when i wake up

[stark bough]

lol read the first and dont sleep

[severe warren]

seems really funny tho

[stark bough]

why does this story feel like it was 2009? lol

[severe warren]

yea it sort a reminds me of that too

maybe its the way its setup lol

or the font idk lol

[brittle coral]

because it was

xD

[severe warren]

oh damn

thats cool

[brittle coral]

except i know it says in the time stamp its 2014

but

[stark bough]

portal 2 was 2011

[severe warren]

close enough l ol

[brittle coral]

right

[stark bough]

plus 4chan was around 2003 anyway. its futaba style so thats the fun of it

https://i.imgur.com/v9979Gy.png

[brittle coral]

2004

[stark bough]

i think moot started it when he was in high school. and graduated same time as linus.

[brittle coral]

yea

im a tiny bit younger than them im 30 in a week

er 2 weeks

idk it doesnt matter ive felt almost 30 for so long i forgot what age i was for 2 years consistently

[stark bough]

yeah getting 30. time for back aches, heartburn, and the feeling that I need to 'settle' and not have the whole world in front of me.

weee.

[brittle coral]

ive had back problems since 21

im actually currently covering my back in cannabis topicals to help the pain im in today

haha

[stark bough]

yeah i busted my ankle and ended up shitposting a lot due to me basically being on opiates all the time, lol

lol damn bot.

used to be able to do 300-400 situps

now cant do 10 before i get 💩 ed

[brittle coral]

yea i live on kratom and cannabis and gabapentin lol

the combo helps my ADHD most days and helps me function the others

[stark bough]

the sad thing about the pills, is that I used to dream about 'doing so much when id get better'

now its like "This is as good as it gets, time to settle"

[brittle coral]

yea i mean i have ups and downs but im so tall and i injure so easily that it's gonna be a hard road of physical therapy to get to a point that i can stay that healthy again because the time commitment to staying in shape is not conducive to earning a living as well

not that i can earn a living when im in pain every day anyway xD, i am seriously considering pulling a late linus

[stark bough]

Yeah i realized that alot of the adventurous stuff i did was due to the resilancy of youth.

[brittle coral]

i'd be somewhere between linus and steve cause i have a high voice but im 6'2" and i have long hair and facial hair and a goatee, im a ginger, and i am nonbinary gender so you can throw all the LGBT jokes at me and i'll just finger guns you cause they would just be true, even tho the jokes about the high voice get annoying lmao

^^^ for real tho xD

like i put all the RGB i have in my computer because its unironically rainbow

LOL

i have a big and tall chair lmao

i kept breaking normal office chairs and i didn't think about trying "Gaming" chairs because of the markup

but i have a galant desk 😛

dude my stepdad has the ergohuman

its kind of the tits

i need a new top for my desk, over a decade of me putting drinks in the same spot has warped the top 😦

i need to replace it, extend the whole thing so theres room for 2 rigs or a flat work area, or just room for a TV (or some combo of the above) plus a pair of desk speakers alongside and then i'll be all set lmao

uh its not cheap

its part of their business line

look up GALANT

i have the corner desk

and i also have a narrow rectangle GALANT in my garage that i got for free as my work bench because the weight rating is real high on them

and i wanted something that would hold a heavy rig plus a ton of other stuff and heavy tool box

this is a matte finish surface

white or black both are decent without a mousepad but i would get one anyway as your mouse slicks will last longer

ugh no they got rid of the desk line it looks like 😭

changed it for something else

same under supporst but it's not going to be compatible with the parts i need to extend this desk

ugh

that really sucks, i will have to look into buying the supports and cutting it custom then

all i'd need is a 4x8 piece of ply and some paint and a router lol

yea christ they killed it back in 2014, that sucks

😦

now i wish i'd gotten more of those free desks lol

yeaa

good news, tho, my 1060 3gb that was failing WUs and disappearing in hwinfo and afterburner has responded kindly to my modest 400mhz memory underclock, 150mhz core underclock, and 75% power limit xD

only getting 390kppd vs the 430-450 i was getting out of it before on this same WU but its a small price to pay for a working card

lol gg

yea ive been doing that for a while cause family pays for food cause they dont want me to die 😛

hey what f@h GPU work unit(s) are you running right now

out of curiosity

i was getting a whole mix of dif ones for a long time but now it's 14201 solid on all slots

ebola research

which im just as fine with running as covid haha

[rich depot]

16600x2 14465x2 14469 thats the WUs I'm running

[brittle coral]

for sure, i wonder why my farm is hardcore pegged on this one WU for ebola

i haven o issue with it, the unit is extremely highly optimized and puts out fast on all my cards as a result it's just strange it's been so static

[rich depot]

They target WU sizes based on your hardware, so it may well be there is a limit to medium size WUs atm

[brittle coral]

maybe

you know i have a whole spread of stuff tho lol

10 dif cards across 3 nvidia and 3 amd generations

omg

someone is selling 40 of the desk i was complaining isnt made anymore locally

for a lot less than it was new, and these things last lol

F, it wont fit, not here anyway

dreams dashed, i will just have to fulfill my side career path of learning to build furniture sooner

yea the ideal goal would be to have my own workshop with a CNC lathe and router, but thats big money lol

3D print or machine any parts i need

eventually i'd break into laser cutting as well im sure, pull a protocase for small scale stuff

technically if the speaker rentals company goes under and i sell more of the stuff than I want to (as in, not also keeping a pair of nice speakers and a set of subs plus a pair of DJ monitors, to do small events still for friends) I could just use the garage here for a router, buy by that point the primary benefit of having one is gone unless i can make a totally new business out of it

which would require basically just spending all my time in fusion360 for a while lmao

not to mention learning how to set up CnC stuff

i already know the slab isn't fully level in there, ball bearings like to roll from one end to the other 😛

typical for california tho, the ground is ever moving

[brittle coral]

lmfao

[gusty idol]

Third place bois

Nvm I am a idiot

That the whole teams rank

[severe warren]

LMAO

bro I'm at 10mil points and I'm still not even top 50,000 LOL

[pseudo abyss]

72 million, number 567 on the team

Or 8628 project rank

[stark bough]

I was rank 1051 last event and i got 10 million total...

https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?u=834263

[silver wing]

Ranking high in the LTT folding team is actually hard 🙂

[rich depot]

@silver wing You can say that again

[rich depot]

For anyone folding with GPUs this extension made the forum user LAR_Systems is a must have https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1200195-fh-web-client-dark-skin-with-ppd-comparison-by-gpu-wu

[brittle coral]

@silver wing yea it definitely is lol

takes over 8m ppd to make it into the top 10 and then you have to hold above like 10m ppd to make it into the all time and stay there

[azure garden]

10/10 for the dark skin extension

[brittle coral]

no firefox version 😦

f

[severe warren]

whats ppd?

@brittle coral

oh nvm points per day lol

i think i get like 1m points per day and i have no clue how the ranking system works or what place im in

[pseudo abyss]

I don't use the web client...

[rich depot]

Me either usually, but running this extension will help with data collection so I am asking if people can run it, it would be helpful for the database project

[mystic crown]

Does anyone know curecoin

It helps PARTIALLY refund the cost for folding

[mystic hollow]

@silver wing i am glad i am in top 4500 😄

[rich depot]

@mystic crown You also can't fold for LTT while you do it. And honestly, when I worked it out it didn't really seem worth it, but the value of the coins change constantly so maybe it's better these days

[mystic crown]

As an alternative you could use foldingcoin

That way you can fold for ltt

And earn SOMETHING even though totally small

[snow lake]

Question... I have a server with two CPU's, with 6 cores and 12 threads on each one. As I am using this server to set up multiple VM's, can I run "Folding@Home" on a VM with say 4 CPU cores, 8GB of RAM and a 1TB HDD?

I am actually directing this question to LTT and in particular, Linus

Maybe @unique sigil can advise on this...

[stark bough]

@snow lake Dont ping staff unless in chat.

Particuarly linus

linus does not participate in this project in a persnal scale AT ALL

[snow lake]

😦

😭

[brittle coral]

@snow lake you should be able to do that easily, you wont even need 8gb of ram for one CPU project slot

and yea don't ping the staff unless it's something specific to LTT that only they can fix, like if you've identified an issue on the site or a mod is being abusive (and even then ping another mod first and let them move it up the chain). I have had to resist that temptation multiple times so I feel you on wanting their input on stuff but that's what paid comments on their videos are for lmao they literally would never sleep otherwise

But yea to directly answer how to do it, in F@H you can already set how many threads you want it to use but in most VMs you should be able to just assign them some processing resources. You will only need an install size big enough for the OS and a few gigs for data storage at most (idk what the actual client side requirements are), but with less cores you'll need less system memory as well. I'd do it in linux for the reduced overhead and OS install size requirements and then go from there, but make sure to over allocate memory a bit or let it scale dynamically with load if it doesn't cause stability issues, since I've had work units use as little as a couple hundred mb of system ram to as much as a few gigs on the larger GPU work units, with CPU WUs still being able to hit up a bit past a gig sometimes. generally CPU WUs stay quite low though especially with low thread count. The only CPUs i have running similar sizes are my 3 thread 4590 slot which uses 80mb of system ram currently compared to the 1800 the gpu is using, and my 2600x which i allocated 6 threads on for a total of 96.8mb of system memory used. Id say you could get away with as little as 500mb of system memory allocated with the intent to fold on it (apart from system ram allocation) but if you want to run GPU work in that VM as well you'll definitely need significantly more

I don't run the linux client myself but there's others here who can help you setting that up if need be. IDK what people are using to pass GPU either

[snow lake]

Does "Folding@Home" require no graphics card?

[brittle coral]

it doesnt require a GPU

you can run it in command line on a CPU with an IGP

[snow lake]

so its more CPU bound?

[brittle coral]

ooh no

no way

its still very GPU bound

if you run it on a GPU

but

nvidia will also use a core of CPU resources single threaded to feed the GPU

AMD uses a fair bit of CPU time as well but a lot less

and both will peg however many threads they need to, when moving data to and from the GPU

that process goes real fast if you leave more CPU time left over to feed GPU work, but its not a big impact if you only leave 10-15% cpu time lol

ive seen a single gpu slot hit 30-50% CPU before for a few seconds before idling off at 3-7% on AMD side while moving data

system ram will also spike during that load

[snow lake]

Well I thought, I have a dedi that I can install a VM on aand run the F@H program as my contribution to the fight against Covid-19

[brittle coral]

you can watch it in real time for 10-15 minutes and you'll see it happen on GPU

and yea, that will work

it also won't contribute a whole hell of a lot, but its still something

especially if you have the idle compute time

i game while folding still depending on the title lol

[snow lake]

I mean the entire VM dedicated to just F@H

[brittle coral]

and always running CPU cores even if i disable the gPU

[snow lake]

^

[brittle coral]

but yea, if its just cpu that is super easy

the only hard part about setting up F@H in a VM is if you want to run GPU work units, otherwise its the same as a normal OS afaik

[snow lake]

well sadly the dedi has no GPU installed

[brittle coral]

anyway, i just started a stellaris game, so im gonna go do that, but if you have any more questions feel free to ask them here

[snow lake]

its a basic one with a whole heap of CPU's

12 cores and 24 threads to be exact

[brittle coral]

there are many who contribute on the F@H team that will help you even tho linus and jakkuh and crew don't participate here really

not bad

im running a 3900x with 20 threads on one of my units xD

[snow lake]

I have a pair of them

[brittle coral]

if you throw 20 threads at it you'll get 200-300k ppd (points per day) out of it

[snow lake]

one is dedicated to game servers

the other I am using for VM's

[brittle coral]

4 is closer to 20-30k

[snow lake]

lost me

[brittle coral]

the work gives points

you get more for faster return

they are used to determine performance to a degree

in addition to branging rights for your contribution

[snow lake]

well, I am not interested in the number of points I get

I just want this pandemic to be over

and every little helps

[brittle coral]

i feel you im just using it because it's a performance metric as well

it's the only performance metric they give us, its not perfect and can be manipulated a bit by the person generating the work, but they try to keep it within a range so the numbers mean something useful

im just trying to give you an idea of what you should expect once you have an account with a passkey input on your folding client, so you can tell its working properly

i hope all this info is helpful 🙂

game time

[snow lake]

I understand

[brittle coral]

feel free to @ me if you do have any more questions later though, but again i am not a linux nerd 😛

[snow lake]

I am trying to say that points dont bother me, I just want to put some of my system resources towards killing off Covid-19

[brittle coral]

yea i feel it

[snow lake]

Oh, I plan to use Windows

if I can figure out Linux, I may use Linux

[brittle coral]

you should

the performance impact from windows is not worth putting it in a VM just to fold

[snow lake]

I have never used Linux

[brittle coral]

its extremely easy to set up

[snow lake]

I am a Windows nerd!

LOL

[brittle coral]

it will just be a tiny bit harder than windows if anything, but its still GUI driven

get xubuntu it should go smoothly

or ubuntu, any ubuntu fork

some here also said they liked folding in debian

[snow lake]

well, I am weighing up my options at this point

I am planning a 4 core VM with say 4 or 8GB of RAM, 250GB HDD, and 100Mbps net

what you think?

@brittle coral

[jade flicker]

nice I finally broke the 1 million ppd (had a buch of issues getting a non-erroring thread count) https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=999199

[brittle coral]

i think if you did it in linux you could allocate 2gb of ram and a 32gb drive and it would be absolutely overkill

[stark bough]

i think i only got 69m right now

[snow lake]

Maybe that would be worth it if o did that, I'll look in to it further...

[marble quartz]

any tips to keep on folding when it's warm outside?

my gpu temps are higher than usual these days

[brittle coral]

@marble quartz forsake all semblance of noise control and go for server grade air cooling, or upgrade everything to water

I have a rig in the garage that's going to double up on both, 3 5200rpm delta electronics fans, 38mm thick 120mm fans on an 80mm thick alphacool radiator using the optimus foundation waterblock on a 3900x, trying to keep an overclock on it while the ambient temps exceed 40c

[stark bough]

If you really don’t want to deal with dedicated PC fans, I find that a Vornado or air purifier helps

Takes up a lot of space competitively but I know I’m getting clean air into the case, I run an air purifier anyway, and I feel better ramping up everything to max

I also have a UPS connected to my rig that gives a real time power consumption to give an idea of the energy in wattage it pumps into the house. Typical heaters put out 1,500 W max iirc single circuit

Gotta get that thermal transfer.

Many enthusiasts have summer and winter power profiles.
If temps are an issue, IIRC try reducing or capping clocks or voltage

If you just want to fold but not necessarily go full throttle, go into afterburner and set a cap on power or temp usage. Many cards will run up to that and no higher.

@marble quartz

[brittle coral]

@stark bough vornado is overpriced for the performance, for $80 you can get a small blower style fan that draws 1.5a capable of 1200cfm, or a larger one for $120 capable of 3200cfm that draws up to 10a xD

i use the smaller ones to cool all my folding rigs, my bedroom, and my tube amp xD

and theres one in the garage ac ting as intake as well

[stark bough]

I have my 1070 hybrid doing 50% power target and noticed 100W less draw

@brittle coral I use it more as an air circulator than just as a “fan” it has nice throw and most importantly a nice audio profile when the fans are spinning

[brittle coral]

yea true

[brittle coral]

as a family we all use vornados around the house because they are the best desk fans you can buy

we have smaller ones lol

those things are loud as hell tho

[stark bough]

If this in max you know from anywhere in the house this damn thing is on

[brittle coral]

yea

i have a box fan in my window thats similar tone to one of those

but not as loud

the other window has a blower

at max output the blower is louder but far more pleasant

[stark bough]

I got mine on base so only paid $80

[brittle coral]

and you can watch shows over the blower more easily

even when its super loud

eventually im going to not have a room thats hot as balls tho, i just need an AC and a dedicated circuit for it so i can keep the room cool

[stark bough]

I’ve had quite a few fans. One time my folks thought they would beat my vornado with a “large fan” they got at Costco, but it had no throw and the sound profile was damn annoying

It running at speed 1 was annoying compared to mine at max

[brittle coral]

this will prevent the mini fridge and freezer (that stay full 100% of the time because the main ones are also full) from overheating the room and then running even more to keep themselves internally cooled, creating a cycle of pain for me during the summer lol

lol dang

yea thats why i love blowers

[stark bough]

In my room I got both a air circulator and an air purifier, and a mini fridge

[brittle coral]

the box fan works well by my desk for my rig and me and it moves air into the room

but the blowers you can feel them 20-30 feet away

[stark bough]

the purifier captures a crazy amount of dust

[brittle coral]

the large one was powerful enough to cool a room with a PA drawing 20 amps and 500 people when i put it by the door where itw as getting constant cool air

yea purifier here too

[stark bough]

But yeah, you don’t buy a vornado for “price to performance”

[brittle coral]

i need to change the outer filter on the HEPA

ayyy

[stark bough]

They’re the Noctua of the fan world

[brittle coral]

yea i thought you were talking just for cooling rigs tho

[stark bough]

well not computer fan anyway :p

[brittle coral]

in which case the blowers i recommended are better 😛

similar audio profile on low to a vornado with far more air moved to sound ratio

[stark bough]

Yeah but for most part casual folders live in the same room as their rigs

He could always do a case swap for something with better airflow

[brittle coral]

i have 2 of these fans in my room 😛

if your rig is on the floor you can hide one under the desk and it'll also cool your legs, if its up higher these fans can angle at 45 degrees

i actually have floor speakers that one of the fans sits on tho xD

when i need it to be up high

[stark bough]

I just want this

[brittle coral]

it cools my bed better from up there cause its by the far reach of the window fan's intake profile

so the air is cooler

wth is that

dank

i wonder if the airflow amplification works

[stark bough]

https://bit-tech.net/news/tech/cooling/noctua-reveals-fifth-gen-nh-u12-cooler/1/

In theory it works via the Venturi effect

Still a neat project if you got a 3D printer

https://imgur.com/gallery/w513J43

Go balls out

[brittle coral]

dang lol

[stark bough]

Just there’s no dust filter for that

[brittle coral]

thats a lie if you own a 3D printer 😛

i dont but i have professional access to several PLA ones good enough to print tools that replace metal parts, dude even tested it on some things that prob break the rules to talk about here xD

but yea resin printers are great

you can print ultra detailed work and precision parts without any of the modifications required from cheaper printers that work with plastics

he got a partially damaged (hairline cracked) water block from XSPC that was sold out when he looked online to see about fixing it, so he used his laser scanner to scan it, laser cutter to cut and remove the broken section, and built a new one using PLA resin, then fused it to the main block using some left over resin 😛

[stark bough]

God I want a 3D printer but Covid and other life events had me shrink down my living conditions significantly

[brittle coral]

works great now

[stark bough]

I KNOW that I don’t have a place to do an extended 3D print as people will@complain about the smell

[brittle coral]

get a rig with a shield and a carbon air filter?

[stark bough]

Yeah I need to invest in the craft

[brittle coral]

if people can grow weed in a tent without the neighbors in the apartment next to them smelling it you can 3D print something

xD

[stark bough]

I feel like it will be a top 15 job skills to know in a few years if not now

[brittle coral]

sooner even

right alongside CnC programmer XD

[stark bough]

And people who know cobol

And those who can install Google Ultron

Speaking of 'products that dont necessarly have a better price to performance but people pay more for anyway

worksite generators vs portable generators. holy crap those things are loud.

"Why would i pay for a generator thats $900 when i can get a $300 from harbor freight"

[brittle coral]

ooof

i forgot to start my 2080ti when i went to bed last night

[stark bough]

The client really needs an internal scheduler

[brittle coral]

what it needs is a way to detect if there's no 3D load and start folding

though to be fair on me it's even worse

i can fold while playing stellaris and get 100FPS and 2m ppd still

and after we were done with our multiplayer round (RTX voice doesn't get along with folding, sounds like a robot), i should have started it then

xD

but i was talking to my business partner who insisted on talking to me at like midnight about something important, and then kept going with stuff from minneapolis after so i just forgot Y_Y

i literally spaced on time and played till 5am and went straight to bed, i almost forgot to turn off my tube amp as well xD. at least it was cool in my room when i woke up for a change tho, i slept great

[marble quartz]

Oh i undervolted my card

Still hit 78C

Earlier barely 75

And it's not even full summer yet

It's just a crappy pc case tho after all

Unless someone would fund me an upgrade

anyways might have to pause folding by next month or so

can't stand the heat

[brittle coral]

@marble quartz post pics of your case

i wanna see if theres room to improve somewhere and at what cost

[brittle coral]

this is gonna sound counterintuitive but test it with the side panel on

[marble quartz]

Oh i put my panel on

Just it's dark

[brittle coral]

for sure, test with it on vs off

do a comparison

[marble quartz]

U can't see the insides and it's reflective

Well side panel off fares better

Allows more headroom for the gpu to blow hot air

Subsequently the cpu too

120mm F12 arctic fans

btw I live by the main road, and the dust accumulation is so bad

[brittle coral]

dont get me started on dust

i live by a creek

trees everywhere

tree nasty in the air everywhere

that yellow yellow

[marble quartz]

Idk if can relate

Dust from main road is really fine tho

Hard to clean

[brittle coral]

pollen is really fine and hard to clean as well

it gets in stuff and it's sticky

[marble quartz]

Ok u win there

[brittle coral]

not as bad as cigarette resin but worse than cannabis

[severe warren]

im at 12 mil 🙂

[rich depot]

You guys know why a GPU isn't Recognized?

I mean, I got a GT730M Overclocked to the max and it's staying under 65C, but it's not utilized in F@H, is it like it doesn't support all GPU's?

Because it's trying to connect to it but the card won't budge, and yes, it is working because I just tested it in a game

[spring jewel]

I remember hearing that they always drop support for a few GPUs in every new update every once in a while, I dont know where you could find a list of supported GPUs but you could always just search it up online.

[fickle needle]

@rich depot if you look in the log is it doing something goofy like connecting to 192.168.2.1

[wraith echo]

On FAH clients for Ubuntu and Windows 10, what constitutes "idle"? On my Ubuntu Server 20.04 it's always sitting at "waiting for idle", and on Win 10 it's the opposite - it's always folding even though I'm RDPing into the machine and doing stuff.

Running v7.6.13 on all machines.

[wraith echo]

Also, is there a way to monitor multiple F@H clients on Android?

[rich depot]

On windows idle is considered after the screensaver kicks in/the main display turns off from inactivity. I'm not sure on the behaviour on Linux but I'd imagine it is mostly the same @wraith echo

[brittle coral]

@wraith echo you can use realVNC on each PC (server) and then use the client on android to interact directly with the entire PC desktop. I've tried it, it definitely works 🙂

you get up to 5 servers per free license

[fringe elk]

I mean it depends on what you mean by monitor. If you just want to see their stats then you can use netdata

you can install netdata on Windows using WSL

if you want remote desktop control, then you can install a tigervnc server on all of your infastructure

if you want it to be made available in the browser for ease of use then you can use NoVNC on top of tigervnc to get your VNC stuff to work in any modern web browser

[brittle coral]

yea realvnc is just stupid easy to use on it's own but that's not a bad solution either

i just don't like any monitoring solution that doesn't also provide direct control of the system if things break and you have to fix it while away

[fringe elk]

a propietary VNC system based on a free and open source solution with no real added benefit is just silly. I'm sure it's easy to use, but like. Also keep in mind if you can control it, someone else with enough expertise can also control it.

attack surfaces are always a consideration if you're using it on a WAN (VNC really wasn't designed for WAN access but infastructure seems to be fast enough for it - sometimes)

[brittle coral]

ive just never used anything else cause it was what i was taught on lol

[fringe elk]

if you're curious UnRaid also uses tigervnc, it also supports the optional audio spec of the VNC protocol

[brittle coral]

simple, free, and works fine for anyone not running an actual workplace domain

though a whole family house with full remote access and lots of specialty rigs probably would exceed that limit (like linus' house) but yea lol 5 is still a fair amount for most users

[fringe elk]

yea, I just never liked the you need an account thing and the it doesn't work with other

[brittle coral]

im at my limit tho xD i was prob going to move to something else

[fringe elk]

VNC clients

tigervnc is the enterprisy solution for VNC that's free (because it's supported by Big Business)

and NoVNC just makes stuff super dumb and easy to use

[brittle coral]

yea tigerVNC was what my friend was recommending lol

[fringe elk]

VNC clients can be frustrating for normies, web browsers are something most people understand

[brittle coral]

thats prob the direction im going to head since i like solutions that have enterprise level feature sets usually xD

like i'd really like something that allows direct file transfers

[fringe elk]

tigervnc technically allows for that too

[brittle coral]

so i don't have to set up separate FTP clients and servers on each rig if i want to move files across the internet, since 2 rigs i have on VNC are rigs i service

[fringe elk]

oh, no. don't use FTP

[brittle coral]

yea i mean

[fringe elk]

nextcloud or seafile

[brittle coral]

for what we're doing FTP makes sense to start

for one computer

[fringe elk]

FTP is bad news in 2020

[brittle coral]

some of what im distributing is open source or cracked software that's been torrented to a private community server said friend set up lol

[fringe elk]

i don't condone th is behavior, but if you're going to do that, do it in a way that doesn't get you arrested lol

[brittle coral]

yea we're using SFTP but i'd like to move away from it entirely and just use direct peer to peer or set up torrents for all the files on each server since we have enough combined bandwidth between the mirrors for one or two people to download at a time (thats all its used for anyway its for mixed business and personal for us)

[fringe elk]

FTP and even SFTP aren't really all that awesome

[brittle coral]

yea obv

the only cracks we're using are of things that were either broken without the crack or which we intend to buy, we just have not attained that level of budget

[fringe elk]

SFTP is a tiny bit better

[brittle coral]

i have no moral issue with paying for something thats a one time cost eventually, lots of stuff doesn't allow proper testing without the full version anyway

[robust lark]

Let's keep this channel on-topic guys. Folding and BOINC discussion here only, please. Thanks.

[fringe elk]

wow

how

[brittle coral]

uh

we are talking about how to manage remote machines for folding lol

[fringe elk]

you're wrong warmachine

[brittle coral]

sorry bud ❤️

[fringe elk]

upstream a bug report

[brittle coral]

it probably got upset about one of my comments or something lol

[robust lark]

Also, if you're looking for a decent remote client (esp. for headless machines), NoMachine's a decent software. Only needs a port-forward and you're good to go.

[brittle coral]

but yea i'm def going to check out tigerVNC then that sounds like the best thing to switch to. im planning to install VNC clients on all our work machines which are also currently being folded on. everything else could be done directly via remote terminal if we were using linux but we have to run windows for software support

i'll def take a look at it before settling tho

[stark bough]

time to use parsec to fold/game remotely

[brittle coral]

xD

i was actually doing that the other night

[fringe elk]

if your needs are supported by WINE, you can just use WINE

[stark bough]

if its good enough to edit.

[brittle coral]

i found a game that runs in browser which supported touch

and i played it through VNC on my phone 😛

[fringe elk]

tigervnc + virtualgl = awesome sauce

[stark bough]

how much BW has folding used up for you guys this month?

[brittle coral]

that's a good question, i haven't set up monitoring for that

i'd assume a fair bit considering how much system memory the GPU slots use

[stark bough]

should be able to look it up in windows data management if you use the windows client.

[brittle coral]

does ethereal support that kind of monitoring these days? idk whata good net monitor is anymore it's been a decade since i was in school xD

ah for sure

that's a good point, they do monitor that in task manager huh

[stark bough]

got in some resident evil 7 streaming time.

my guess is about a GB a day?

1Gb/card/day.

[brittle coral]

@stark bough where'd you find that exactly, im not sure how to get there in windows

[stark bough]

start menu > Type Data

Data usage overview

[brittle coral]

thank you

[stark bough]

np

[brittle coral]

i downloaded a lot of new games xD

[stark bough]

ive been running at 50% power target for only a few days.

[brittle coral]

but yea

folding used 25gb

just on this rig

[stark bough]

client stops when you play?

[brittle coral]

not always

depends on the game and if im solo or not

[stark bough]

but yeah probably at full blaze during folding month 1 gb a day seems like a decent guildeline

[brittle coral]

i use RTX voice which conflicts with folding (lots of distortion) so i just stop folding when im in those games, but like in stellaris i can get substantial folding performance still while getting over 100FPS in game xD

let me check my other rigs 😛

[stark bough]

what card? I'm looking forward to upgrading my card when next gen comes out.

[brittle coral]

2080ti

[stark bough]

im 60% sure im getting a hybrid next gen.

[brittle coral]

but thats just the main card obv

[stark bough]

im addicted to those sub 60C temps

[brittle coral]

yea my rigs all are using a lot of datta, this one has one card but the others are moving more

[stark bough]

are you also using remote monitoring clients?

[brittle coral]

this is all through VNC

[stark bough]

probabl;y barely any data at all, but still i wonder how much they use.

[brittle coral]

thats why i can screenshot everything so fast

this system had uptime issues.

only up about a week and a half and it has 2 GPUs

[stark bough]

next time i fold through a day i should turn on glasswire and see the curves throughout the day

[brittle coral]

a 3 slot system putting out about 2-2.3m ppd gets about 35-40gb a month it looks like

im really glad my family has a business internet connection at home or i'd be WAY over whatever limit comcast sets lol

just folding alone is eating up close to 120gb it looks like in upload

and those streams on twitch were less than 16 hours of total streaming

makes sense tho, they already said on server side they were getting several terabytes of raw data after processing all or stuff down every day

[stark bough]

lol at my old apartment where we had caps 160 gb would be a dent for sure.

[brittle coral]

yea if its just total data used up/down combined, im personally over 350gb here which i think is comcast's default residential cap xD

my family as a whole probably uses 3x that

tho i ahve the most upload by several orders of magnitude, they stream a lot of HD video

i wonder if anyone has inadvertently gone over their data caps folding

[stark bough]

too bad i cant make a youtube caching server on my end, or CAN I

im sure they did during covid.

[brittle coral]

squid proxy

cashes anything

been around since the 90s

super effective, we used one all through the 2000s till internet speeds caught up

with a modern SSD it would be absolutely insane

[stark bough]

are they still doing data caps now that covid is 'boring'

cant recall if it was an entire mont, a year, or just a few months once the covid panic started.

[brittle coral]

man, now i know what im doing once my step-dad puts me on my own virtual network here at home, just gonna put that in between the switch and my network

idk what they're doing now

[stark bough]

ive actually though about a folding setup in one of those geothermal regions where they get cheap power but poor internet.

[brittle coral]

im pretty sure caps are back on

[stark bough]

greenland or some place.

[brittle coral]

lol i thought about that

greenland is perfect because its cold

so you can use ground core cooling

[stark bough]

just follow the stories where they did insane mining.

[brittle coral]

and geothermal power xD

[stark bough]

course with folding bandwidth and latency isnt as important.

China was big on that with the cheap hydro and coal and low temps and fast internet.

folding you can cross out 1 of those 3.

[brittle coral]

i saw one demo setup back in 2010 with a guy who had a pile of 5870s all set up together doing distributed computing and using the downtime to mine crypto, he was using ground core cooling in alaska but still netting enough power from solar to run the whole thing

[stark bough]

yeah also thought about alaska.

[brittle coral]

during the summer its non stop as well, its just during winter that he'd have to occasionally hit the grid, depending on the day and how his 2 wind turbines did

dude was wild

he's the one that taught me about ground core cooling

[stark bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwFB22r9zRo

deserts are not great for power generation

cause those panels got to stay chill.

[brittle coral]

yea they're surprisingly dusty

as well

[stark bough]

CSP? sure. PV? lol no

[brittle coral]

i think that seasonal solar in the arctic will definitely become a thing

desert solar will move to molten salt sytems and other things

[stark bough]

still got to have a water supply or some rads nearby to COOL the equipment too.

one concept for a moon base was to put solar panels in a northern crater cause its constantly illuminated due to tidal locking.

brb connecting to moon based work server.

What kind of turbines?

https://www.powerinfotoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/T-VAWT-wind.jpg

the traditional ones are more efficient but theres these compact ones that generate some pretty good power.
https://www.renewableresourcescoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/3-happybuy-wind-turbine-600w-white-lantern-300x300.jpg
In the evening the wind really blows.

[brittle coral]

i forget it's been a decade lol, something small like those tho probably, they're the most common ones for small turbine deployments

[stark bough]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Hybrid_system%2C_2400W_windturbines%2C_4000W_solar_modules%2C_island_Zirje%2C_Croatia.jpg/1920px-Hybrid_system%2C_2400W_windturbines%2C_4000W_solar_modules%2C_island_Zirje%2C_Croatia.jpg

[silver wing]

You got links to the product pages for those?

[brittle coral]

honestly he only posted pics of the water cooling stuff mostly

lol right

[silver wing]

or at least there product names so I can look them up :0

[stark bough]

@silver wing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_wind_turbine
https://www.renewableresourcescoalition.org/best-home-wind-turbines/

[brittle coral]

i think all thie high performance peeps here want renewables for their farms xD

[stark bough]

I just want to offset my constant folding operations 😛

wanna hear a joke?

[brittle coral]

a 4000w turbine operates day or night and could offset your whole house xD

[stark bough]

||Solar roadways||

[silver wing]

thanks

[stark bough]

@brittle coral that or cause it to fly.

[silver wing]

I live in one of the most consistent wind areas of my country, lots of wind turbines here

a nice small scale one would be great

[stark bough]

My folks live by the coast. sunny during the day, but windy during the evening.

[brittle coral]

thats dope lead 😄

get it

[stark bough]

if they could do both, with the wind making up for the lul at night, that would basically have them set.

[silver wing]

I live a little bit in land near some mountain ranges and the landscape means it's always windy, always..... sigh

[stark bough]

rooftop systems for residential deployments seem to be very noisy and cause vibrations though

[silver wing]

I only care about noise for other properties

I have enough noise in the house from servers I won't notice lol

[stark bough]

Thats about the same cost as PV

I have enough noise in the house from servers I won't notice lol
@silver wing
So you're using a Fan to power your fans

genius

[silver wing]

haha

[brittle coral]

he leadeater OT for in here but question you might be able to answer. i have a suggestion for the LTT team relating to their gigabyte vid they just did, i left a youtube comment but wanted to know if there was a way to boost the signal on that somehow. there's a common issue with gigabyte's AORUS lighting software for their products that causes it to break such that the only fix is an OS reinstall and I want to see if the LTT team can replicate it by using the rig they just built as a daily driver for a while till it occurs, and if they can come up with a fix for it or push gigabyte on the issue lol. They seemed really ready to call out gigabyte for their silly fan design and i felt like the software failure on their part was in the same vein of to much form over function

[silver wing]

my solar output is so crap atm, winter, but also not quite enough in summer. Energy source blend seems ideal

[brittle coral]

ayy a blend is always the best route

especially since afaik you can hook it all up to a single battery bank with split transformer rails to equalize the input voltage before the battery. adds a bit of maintenance complexity but it's probably worth it for long term power stability at the cost of a little durability

[stark bough]

Oh shit

There really is always a relevant XKCD

[brittle coral]

yea there is

whats this one

xD

[silver wing]

Hmm hooking it up to mine might be bit more complex

but I'm sure I can actually parallel charge across my current chargers fine

maybe it'll be very easy

[silver wing]

current setup though is when the UPS is on battery the chargers go open circuit so if I put the turbine across it then that will too

[stark bough]

There’s a few websites I stopped following when I got interested in off grid

Magnum was a big brand

Yeah time to reread this entire chapter

[silver wing]

oh and my battery bank is 72V nominal

[stark bough]

Most residential power usage is due to HVAC anyway

Especially heating. So why not fold?
Just got to figure out the data connections to get those WUs

Doubt that Meteor Burst Communications would have enough bandwidth to upload 1Gb of data a night

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_burst_communications

[silver wing]

hmm size scale isn't go great on the picture

^ for turbines

ooof NZD339.10Free Shipping

wait what?

that's hundreds not thousands right?

I thought that was 3k lol

[stark bough]

im suprized how 'cheap' wind is now.

hardware wise for the traditional models, they're the same as PV. About $1 per Watt USD. thats ignoring hardware of course

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71L8LHodPDL._AC_SL1500_.jpg
plus its max speed. the more 'energy' you produce the more dangerous

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71yVbHIfy7L._AC_SL1500_.jpg
using a giant fan to power a fan. nice

can Video cards run entirely off 12V DC power? bypass the mains inverter entirely?

[brittle coral]

thats the only input afaik yea

the PCIe supplies 75w and the 8 pin supplies 150w each, 75w for 6 pin

according to ATX spec at least

[stark bough]

and Intels 12VAC. in theory you can have an entirely offgrid 12V DC home system and avoid the losses. draw straight from the batteries.

[brittle coral]

wait where's 12VAC used?

i thought computer circuits were generally always DC

audio circuits is where you see variable voltage AC usually

[stark bough]

my bad. misnamed iot

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3568-intel-atx-12vo-spec-explained-what-manufacturers-think

[brittle coral]

got it

that makes more sense

[stark bough]

ATX12VO is a new-ish power supply spec published by Intel in July of 2019 that eliminates the 3.3V and 5V rails from power supplies, leaving only the 12V rail. The spec has become a hot buzzword lately because Tier 2 of the California Energy Commision’s Title 20 goes into effect on July 1st, 2021, and these stricter energy regulations were a large part of why the ATX12VO spec was written. We’ve spoken to Intel, a major power supply manufacturer, and a power supply factory on the subject, the latter two off-record, and today we’ll be reporting their thoughts. We’ll also be defining the ATX12VO spec and what it means for computing, along with Intel’s goals for the specification.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2020/atx-12vo/atx12vo-pinout.PNG

[brittle coral]

dang, from 24 pins to 10

[stark bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j546Fo5AyEc

im sure somewhere there is someone who fully converted their psu in their camper to run off 12v power.

[brittle coral]

and then if you want more power you just add another or run higher amps to the board, but tbh most of the amps drawn are generally directly provided via the ATX12v/EPS12v and the PCIe rails xD

its probably easily doable with modern 12v primary designs

which use 12v to power passive 3.3v and 5v converters

while keeping the high draw 12vdc section all digital for platinum or titanium efficiency

[stark bough]

https://www.instructables.com/id/Convert-an-ATX-Power-Supply-Into-a-Regular-DC-Powe/

[brittle coral]

@_@

i need to read that sometime

i could really use a cheap bench supply, i could even make banana to molex or sata adapters XD

i have the parts

[stark bough]

theres a pic i have somewhere who converted a molex connection and put a 12v DC front panel chgarette lighter on his case.

problem is controling the amps. my dad needed a 12v source earlier to test some electronics he had.

My 400 Watt power supply can deliver 23 Amps through the 12V rail, and 40 Amps through the 5V. That's very good for something that, aside from the initial cost of the PSU, cost about $10.

[brittle coral]

yea normally PC PSUs and most DC bricks don't care if you want to draw less, theyre built for variable loads afaik

the only reason to get control is for bench testing equipment

[stark bough]

yeah i didnt want to pump too many amps into the equiment he wanted to test.

[brittle coral]

so you know what your margins are when designing a PFC unit to run the device in the field once it goes to market

ayy fair enough then

though im sure you could build something to do it for you

[stark bough]

the steam link has a super weird design.

[brittle coral]

i don't know enough about circuit design but i have a feeling what you're looking for is a 5k pot or a series of them

if its low amperage a 5k pot is probably overkill but it'd do the job

and they're common as hell

ii have a bag of them for a specific series of amps that are hard to find now but i bet there's a high amp rated one that would do the job for a smaller circuit 😛

[stark bough]

https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dar/5845cadfecd996e0372f/aef6b2133d0586320765178b522d5ea0b8ce1731/aHR0cDovL28uYW9sY2RuLmNvbS9oc3Mvc3RvcmFnZS9taWRhcy8yY2U4NDYxMjQ5NzRmNjYzMmZmZTRjZWIyYmVmMzg0Ny8yMDI4MDU4NjYvSU1HXzAzMjQuanBn

I dont understand why it couldnt be usb

pulled this out last week

Wall wart. 5.1V 2.5A Barrel plug.

probably would have been a bit more popular if they could have clocked it down and made it so it ran at at even 5v 3A spec?

Still enthralled by the idea of a 12V DC desktop system that doesnt use an inverter for offgrid folding.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/set-up-off-grid-solar-power/
https://hdplex.com/hdplex-400w-hi-fi-dc-atx-power-supply-16v-24v-wide-range-voltage-input.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcforme/comments/a1a96j/12v_off_grid_pc/

think i fround a PSU https://www.powerstream.com/DC-PC-12V-400.htm

These are industrial grade power supplies with 12 volt DC input. They are useful for applications where battery or solar power is available. These are regulated switching power converters. For use in 12 volt cars, boats, motor homes, etc.

that would be a super interesting LTT build though.

a gaming PC where the case to the computer is literally the car and everything runs off 12V. Gas powered PC. 😄

[brittle coral]

i wonder how hard it would be to modify a high end seasonic unit to basically just be a 12v adapter for PCs, they'd probably build you something custom if you could generate enough demand to sell them 😛

[stark bough]

thats why that 12v intel spec is so interesting.

the car ones seem to be resisted to 400W though.

found another one that claims to be able to run a 1080 ti

[rich depot]

You could make one with DC-DC converters quite easily. Gram something like this https://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=10#M4-ATX-HV Then using some other system for PCIE power, probably another DC-DC converter of some kind @stark bough

[stark bough]

You probably want to filter your power through a board with buck/boost converts right? Vehicle or battery 12V might niot be as “stable” as a computer would like. I don’t know much about electrical setups. Thanks for the link.

Was browsing the other night and I did find about 3-4 places that sold stand alone 12v DC to ATX, but couldn’t find one that had both 24pin and power for a video card. LTT should really do a vid on that

[rich depot]

Yeah, I'd use a pretty much any DC-DC Buck/Boost converter for the PCIE as it is only 12V and ground wires for the most part. That would allow you to overcome the higher power rate while charging the batteries and the Voltage drop when they have discarded to come degree.

If you have DC-DC converters with a wide input voltage range you could possible use some Lipos for higher density power storage too if you wanted to go that way.

[stark bough]

Lead acids might be more cost effective though. What are the expected losses converting power through a inverter and back through a traditional ATX. About 91% efficient at best?

[rich depot]

Yeah, most probably, 90-95% on good and expensive high end Inverters, some very good inverters can get 96% though and super expensive PSUs with 80+ titanium have 94-96%

[silver wing]

Inverters can be rather good efficiency but battery chargers still suck major

So if you have to use an AC source for charging, microinverters or something else, you're at the 85% mark

[stark bough]

Guess you still going to want to use those batteries to moderate power fluctuations due to partial shading issues.
Unless you got a flywheel out there made out of old tire rims.
Somewhere out there someone built an off grid folding rig, just got to find it 😄

[pseudo abyss]

Solar panels on your home here is a loss project if the plan is to save money in the long run here.

Because cheap electricity

[stark bough]

yeah you got to do the math.

I was just looking at a project running a folding computer off PV/solar/renewables due to the 12v standard.

[stiff oar]

hello

my boinc aint working

so basically i set it up to use all the juice in my computer but its not doing anything

did i set a wrong setting somewhere?

or is this computer too weak to run it?

if anyone knows how to solve this pls ping me

[brittle coral]

hey @stiff oar if you hold shift-windows key you can take a cropped screenshot that's easier to read. my phone wont let me zoom those, i had to come to my desktop and open the source image in paint because of how wide it is. with all that said I still can't tell why it's not working, but i might be able to help you figure it out if we look at a couple other things

there's a web configuration page for each project you may need to utilize

im guessing it's something I can't see clearly in the computing settings though

normally if the project is downloading work but not running that's the reason. sometimes BOINC project servers take a while to send out work as well after you send work back and the first time loading the project, it's not as consistently utilizing your system as folding@home or crypto mining will

when I ran milkyway@home on 2 rigs with 4 HD5870s total you could hear when each one was getting work by the tone of the GPU fans xD

[stark bough]

Alt+printscreen

[silver wing]

snipping tool 🙂

[shut halo]

Win+shift+S.

[rich depot]

snipping tool 🙂
@silver wing +1 for snipping tool

[silver wing]

Cellphone + camera + attach to email + image viewer cropping tool. Am I doing it wrong?

[brittle coral]

thanks i messed the command up xD

im still waking up

sick with a low fever yesterday and all foggy headed today

i literally did it to check and be sure and still managed to space out immediately after and mess it up 😄

but yea, win-shift-s is what i use

[onyx canopy]

guys ?

is there a problem with https://stats.foldingathome.org/ ?

it's not up to date with my wus

score is also behind my real score

5 wus late

[brittle coral]

the site has some lag

its always behind

[onyx canopy]

it used to be behind for like

an hour at worst

[brittle coral]

https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com seems to be way more consistent

[onyx canopy]

ye

anyway, currently #2923 in LTT

it took quite some time to reach top 3k

the top 3k is really active

[brittle coral]

nice

you made me go check where im at, up to 79

you're not kidding at all lol its super active all up in there

lots of ppl with multiple rigs

[rich depot]

Try being top 10, it's killing me to say the least

Looking to add another card before folding month just to keep my place in the top 10

[brittle coral]

ditto lol im not sure if im even top 10 anymore for 24hr after my friend got his rig back and didnt plug it in before going on vacation (had my 290x in it) and losing a card to death lol