Aio radiator for an kraken x72 is 1.1”
#folding-and-boinc
wintry halo
brittle coral
okay
so its about the thickness of my MCR320
idk dude that doesnt make sense to me, i would seriously check the mount pressure
make sure it's good and that you're not getting a TIM buffer insulating the CPU instead of filling in the microgaps between the metals
wintry halo
Okay
wintry halo
Hopefully I have some of that left
brittle coral
when you do it look at a vid for how linus does it, you can modify the tek if you want as well by using tape to form a nice square
you just spread it out with a piece of plastic on your finger as thin as you can get it, some gaps are okay as the rest should fill them but trying to make an even thin layer is the best way i've found to ensure you dont use to much and if pressure is low, it doesn't clog the works up either to badly which can help as long as it's making proper contact
wintry halo
I have Corsair tm30
brittle coral
good, how old is it?
wintry halo
Uh
brittle coral
if its all you have, try it anyway, using the tek i gave you should help mix it if it did separate
wintry halo
A year, but I’ve kept it in an air tight bag
pseudo abyss
My 3600 is doing about 65-67c max under load :)
brittle coral
never heard of it but then again i was out of the paying attention to tweaker tech products for a long time doing other things till this hit xD
pseudo abyss
It did do 73c or something before but I realized I put in some settings that made it draw more power but actually zero more performance
wintry halo
Ima go pass out, I’ll tell you how it goes later
I’m gonna undo my overclock to see if it helps it too
Because without OC I idle at 34C
brittle coral
thats my 3600x on air
my 3800x is happy af rn on water its cooler today
i have hit as high as 80c tho on this loop
your ambient may be a big factor and it could be the WU as well, some may thrash the FPU and ALU both while others only hit part of it or they hit parts harder than other WUs
and yea @pseudo abyss there's a lot more stuff that came online. i wasn't even folding and now i'm doing 7+m ppd on some days lol im already 180 on the team and in the top 13 in day to day so that's def partially my fault. but at least we have a metric fuckton of processing power devoted to covid and that's a good thing
pseudo abyss
Yes
brittle coral
lmfao yea
@hushed bobcat ampere is gonna be big but i honestly thing RDNA2 is going to be just as big
idk if you saw the leaks but there's talk of RDNA XT cards being 2.5ghz+
the guy who leaked the original info confirmed yesterday the'll be that fast on the high end SKUs for sure if not al lthe way down the product line up
that alongside 35% more cores
pseudo abyss
I don't believe in that but I would like being proven wrong
brittle coral
i mean, we already know that they're releasing a 56CU part
for the series X
that's 35% more cores than the 5700xt
in a console
running at under 200w
and we already know they've been working hard on resolving the clock speed and power draw issues from the last gen which is why they didn't focus their aim above the 5700xt last gen, but the die on it is really not that big either
these are all known
even before moore's law is dead said they were confirming 100% that there would be parts at above 2.5ghz there was already enough verified info to say that they're well above 2080ti performance in a console
and the goal was never to compete with the 2080ti, the goal was to compete with whatever came after, and it's clear that they will definitely be able to do that even if they don't clock quite as high as we're hearing rumors of. regardless AMD bought so much capacity on 7nm+ that nvidia may not get to use it for their parts beyond the ultra top end depending on volume required, and we don't know if samsung's 8nm is going to be as good either
the last time I was this confident we'd see a massive performance increase was right before the 5870 launched and i was saying i bet we actually will see a 100% performance increase and they did it and still managed to get another 35% out of the next gen refresh
either way, i'm excited to see what we get next. Usually generations that set the bar with a console release result in a massive boost in PC gaming performance as programmers adapt the lowest common denominator they code for to that, and if they really are putting 2080ti (or faster) performance in a console, if not both consoles (though that's aggressive, i dont think the PS5 will be much more than a 2080ti if it is), then that's good for everyone regardless
that's also why AMD is buying so many wafers, because consoles are guaranteed prepaid orders and they dont have to worry about selling them at retail before making money, and they have a CPU and GPU both. I think we're all going to win on next gen for sure
im excited, i want to see how much the folding network spikes as people buy new GPUs
compute and AI are both getting massive boosts in bandwidth and processing power
also that announcement on tomshardware gives us rough performance metrics on some things relative to last gen even if it is an 8 GPU config lol
rich depot
FOLDERS! We need more GPUs on Amicable numbers over on the BOINC front. I know I'm the folding team leader but really want teamLTT to do well on this front too! Lets show BOINC some love. @rich turtle can you help up out?
rich turtle
I have a windows PC I can swap over. The Linux ones I don't have time to setup BOINC. Maybe Sunday.
rich depot
Thanks man! @rich turtle
rich turtle
Thew a 2080 Ti at it. @rich depot. Not too sure what that particular BOINC task likes, but I'll look more into it once I get home.
rich depot
Much appreciated!
pseudo abyss
I do not doubt 56 CU part, I do doubt the 2,5 GHz claim
Honestly, I think we will see more than 56 CUs as the architecture is not limited to 64 CUs anymore.
But 2,5 GHz I doubt but I would be happy if I am proven wrong in that regard
I have 5700 XT
I am not a person that upgrades for 30% performance
Price matter
rich depot
Also, Folders, would be nice to have your CPUs running Rosetta, not only for the BOINC event but in general, the data Rosetta makes really helps out folding@home in a number of ways!
wintry halo
@brittle coral for some reason undoing my OC, and reinstalling the software, i now idle around 40C and my cpu runs folding at around 77-80C
so its good now
rich turtle
@rich depot Is this a GPU+CPU or just GPU thing? It seems to be making my 7980XE work pretty hard.
rich depot
The Boinc client will tell you if it is running CPU or/and GPU tasks.
rich turtle
I don't have access to it at the moment. Guess I will check when I get home.
rigid tartan
600Watts ??? I dont want to pay your powerbill 😅
rich turtle
I just quickly installed BOINC this morning and left.
rich depot
I'm not actually sure, as standard Amicable have both CPU and GPU WUs
rich turtle
Ah
rich depot
So if you didn't tell it to use GPU only on the website it will be doing both. They are multithreaded WUs too
rigid tartan
i guess its cpu+gpu because even a 7980xe isnt capable of using 600W
rigid tartan
WHAT?? 600Watts Cpu only? RIP
rich depot
I cant post images here.... wtf...
rich turtle
@rigid tartan It's a monster lol.
rich depot
I got like 20 WUs with computational errors.... But I'm not even running an OC...
rich turtle
Ouch, I am on CPU, but had the wherewithal to kill the GPU overclock since it's just 1 button.
rich depot
anyone know why the hell f@h is folding useless test units?
rich turtle
Do you have yourself in the beta pool?
rich depot
nope
rocky otter
@rich turtle no processor can draw 600w
the 7980xe has a tdp of 165W
unless someone is overclocking it with custom loop cooling or better there is no way it gets over 200w
minor wraith
That is far from correct.
They get over 200 no problem, even before overclocking, due to turbo. That 165 number is based on an arbitrary system, and is checked at base speed.
And, yes, 600w is a very achievable number.
Have you ever owned chips like these, or if you have, have you tweaked them in any way?
I'm aware this source sucks, but the data and idea are correct.
GN also measured 214 watts at stock on an AIO.
Which was as far as the chips would allow themselves to boost due to thermal constraints, as both the 16c and 18c are at 214-220.
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3066-intel-i9-7980xe-7960x-thermals-power-review in case you want the full article.
@rocky otter just wanted to make sure you saw all this.
That 492 watt number was also done on a 360mm Thermaltake Asetek with Corsair MLs.
rich turtle
What he said.
rocky otter
Oh dang!
Thank you man, I actually had no idea. I haven't owned a chip like that, it just seemed completely unreasonable to me that 600w could be drawn, but I guess I was wrong! Thanks dude!
minor wraith
Well, bigger man than most on the interwebs.
rocky otter
Hey man you had two sources and an explanation, that's all I need!
minor wraith
Well alright then.
rocky otter
That's honestly just crazy that 600w could be drawn by one single processor, no wonder those chips get so hot
minor wraith
I also happen to be the guy who put 1500 watts through 4 GPUs for a daily system lol.
rocky otter
Wow
minor wraith
290Xs are no joke.
rich turtle
Absolute power laughs in the face of TDP.
rocky otter
Do you have multiple power supplies? I thought I heard that 1800w was the max from one outlet, and if just the gpus are drawing 1500 watts that's dangerously close
And what even is that radiator omg
minor wraith
I had two PSUs and two house breakers.
50 foot extension running to the other end of the house to be on a different breaker.
I will soon be doing that again, but this time will be with 2 1200s, and the cards should pull 1600 watts.
rich turtle
lol
rocky otter
I have a 9400F and a 1660 Ti, my rig stays relatively cool with literally the one case fan that came in the box lmao I can't imagine having that kind of heat kicked out of it
rich turtle
My other energy efficient PC.
minor wraith
Though I don't have the massive Mo Ra 420 that Den has, I have my 4 360mm rads to compete with the heat lol.
rich turtle
And are probably louder 🤣
stark dragon
pseudo abyss
1800w max for a breaker is US.
3600w in other places of the world 😛
Well, it depends but you get it
minor wraith
Hence the double breakers.
Though in America you can have high wattage and high amperage breakers installed.
brittle coral
@pseudo abyss i hear you about not upgrading unless the price is right. that's waht originally triggered me to get a 5700xt after having a 290x and an rx580 and only upgrading at the time because my 290x crossfire was dying (one card wont post now the other just needed a new cooler and is folding in a friend's rig), and then went and went all in on a 2080ti with my stimulus check since im high risk and basically on lockdown until the caseload in california is near 0, but suffice to say I'm excited to see AMD make some massive performance gains on GPU side after focusing all their major investment into beating intel with a silicon hammer first (as is tradition). And honestly I don't doubt they will hit 2.5 with 7nm+ because there was already a whole swath of 2.2ghz Navi XT cards you could buy out the door. Mine was rated as a 1905mhz one and it came preconfigured to 2038 boost and if it weren't for it power/voltage limiting above 2ghz before i even hit stock cooler temp limits I would have pushed it for 2.2 easily since it undervolted way down instead just fine. I've handled Navi XT cards that could do 2.3ghz overclocks as well, one of my friends has one at 2.2ghz day to day stable but he managed to bench it as high as 2.4ghz on water. 2.5 should be absolutely achievable and within the current generation you can do it inside a 300w power window as is without any of the mods they're putting into it 🙂
pseudo abyss
I upgraded from an RX 580
brittle coral
yea i think most of us AMD heads who upgraded their RX580 went straight for that XT card xD
And then folding became a big thing with covid research going on it and i went out and bought a pile of used nvidia cards, and a new RTX2060 and 2080ti to fill out my rigs lol. i hadn't bought an nvidia product since mid last decade but i wanted the best performance/watt and with the 2080ti i wanted good RTX voice performance longer term and idk if any card but the 2080ti will do that once they lock all the RTX features on when next gen cards are out that can handle it, both to show off RTX and encourage last gen owners to update sooner. I'll prob buy into one of the next gen cards once both lineups are out and we can compare them side by side just because they should be a decent performance boost over the 2080ti. Now that I have 9 GPUs running the math is a fair bit different because what I'm really upgrading isn't just my 2080ti, it's that GTX1060 3gb xD
brittle coral
yup i justified it on the fact that if I die from covid none of the money matters anyway, and if I don't then I'll be able to get back out into the world faster if we can develop meds to prevent me from having a dangerous reaction from getting it (cause it's been causing strokes and systemic organ damage in many of the "minor" cases that's sometimes permanent) from having helped speed research along faster
also credit where due, one of my friends gave me his 980ti and another loaned me 2 p106-100, because i have a better cooling config than they could have given those cards and the free slots to do it with
so like 1/4th of my processing power was free
pseudo abyss
It would be fun if they get s medicine that works very well and it says credit to F@H in some way
brittle coral
yea
if they did that i can point to the top teams and say "hey look at the top of this team you'll find my name there" and that would be enough for me to be happy for life
cause i could say i put my name on something major that helped everyone on earth
idgaf about the rest, my goal was always to help people lol
pseudo abyss
I haven't followed the results of F@H much but I doubt it will happen before vaccine is done
brittle coral
not on it's own maybe
but just because they have one vaccine doesn't mean the vaccine is permanent
we already know it's mutated at least 100 times into different strains
pseudo abyss
Only way we can know is to wait and see
brittle coral
thats why nyc and europe are all dying more while most of the west coast is chilling on the intensity of their cases even if the death toll isnt much less
and yea, time will tell
either way dude thanks for donating your time still, even if all us new folk bumped your score back lol
High performance distributed computing has always been something I scored well in because when GPU clients started hitting for a lot of stuff i had 4 HD5870s already xD
pseudo abyss
The point where hospitals can't put everyone that needs it in hospital is the point where death rate go high up
brittle coral
yea right
pseudo abyss
That happened in Italy
brittle coral
and in NYC they're using food delivery trucks to store bodies
(also grim though logical, those trucks can now go back to delivering food when they're not needed. people are up in arms but bleach is a thing lol)
pseudo abyss
Also the region of Italy it hit worst the average age is quite high
brittle coral
yea
one of the highest in the world outside japan
and the villages in florida
which are probably the highest
pseudo abyss
I could fold more than I do of my computer wasn'tt in my bedroom too
orchid stirrup
@pseudo abyss Same, though it is great to be contibuting so directly to such a great cause.
rich depot
how do you only have 2 breakers, each room in my house has at least 2 breakers.... @minor wraith
each breaker is 4000W
pretty sure they are industrial ones but idk
the entire house has 8 16000W breakers, its completely overkill especially since its not even possible for the grid in my area to deliver that much power, a bunch of wires go into a cement wall with no door, the weird thing is the concrete wall cant be broken, its likely there is a sealed up nuclear bunker behind it which might explain why no water drains in the entire yard, the concrete wall could be smashed but its in the basement and its at least 7 feet thick.... it would likely require explosives to break it open
i would love to be able to break open the sealed up barrier wall just to see what is behind it 
minor wraith
@rich depot what are you talking about? I have more than 2 breakers in the house, just not more than 2 with outlets that are close to each other. If I have 2 wall sockets close to each other, they're on the same breaker, so I used an extension cord.
rich depot
you said you have 2 house breakers
tight urchin
@rich depot um....4000W breakers are huge and not technically a breaker. That would be a fused disconnect. Those are not in your house
And breakers arent measured in Watts either.
rich depot
found out why those huge cables are there, according to a neighbour in the 1950s a 6 story bunker was built in the backyard that had a large generator, its still complete and furnitured, it was sealed off in the 1980s since the new owner didnt want it, but everything should still be in there and my neighbour said it can probably be fixed up and usable with around 15000 dollars in repairs, its entirely concrete...... @tight urchin the cables went from the bunkers generator to a switch system that was in the basement, this could explain the large breaker switch like things, i looked at the breaker switch and the large ones arent actually in use and there seems to be smaller ones aswell.
in the 1950s the property owner spent 300k to build a massive bunker
my elderly neighbour said there is even a pool in it...
guess the dude paid equal to 3.1 million in todays dollars
its a pretty massive bunker
my neighbour says the door for the bunker is 5 feet in depth, he said it cant rust however the door is definitely extremely seized up and would need ALOT of effort and oil to open it, im probably going to save up to fix it though since i enjoy being isolated and having everything i enjoy in a bunker sounds better to me. @minor wraith @tight urchin
finding someone who will actually spend the time digging out a bunker door and that will do it without damaging the door will be challenging, my neighbour offered to show me exactly where the door is when the lockdown is lifted.
tight urchin
Okay buddy.
minor wraith
@rich depot no, I said I used two breakers.
rich depot
two breaker panels?
minor wraith
No...
rich depot
do you have a house or an appartment?
rich depot
how many rooms are in your house and how many floors?
i thought you had a regular sized house but now im thinking its a bungalow or something
rich depot
less rooms less breakers
minor wraith
I said I hooked each PSU up to a different breaker as to not overload a single one. My quantity of breakers is irrelevant.
tight urchin
More rooms does not mean more breakers...
rich depot
my house also originally had knot and tube wiring which means circuits cant be added to so i guess that might be why my house has 40 breakers
40 switches i guess
tight urchin
No...i think whoever wired it is an idiot
rich depot
it was wired in the early 1900s which is why it had knot and tube
knot and tube is basically rope like wiring that cant bend so it uses ceramic to change directions and go through walls
tight urchin
Bubbles. Bubbles. You cant go dumpster diving hoping to run into someone for home renovations. The best you night find is ricky and lahey secretly kissing.
rich depot
it also uses air to prevent it from catching on fire
tight urchin
Im well aware what it is
rich depot
my house has 16 rooms in total
if and when the bunker is fixed that number will probably be around 40
tight urchin
Mine has 9 rooms....but 24 circuits
Because a real person mathed it out and wired it
rich depot
k
main mist
Lmao "k"
hushed bobcat
My house has 25 circuits in use. 10 Rooms + the Garage
We also have a Transfer switch for a generator, but that's in a separate panel so I didn't count it
rich depot
tight urchin
@hushed bobcat sounds right
serene jungle
@rich depot doors that size actually sag over time so you may need to take the door off entirely
keyword: may
hushed bobcat
I got a bit of a crash course last November when we had my panel Re-Wired
Turned out my house (built around 1972) had no ground at all in the panel @tight urchin
rich depot
yeah
its definitely going to be expensive to fix it up, its entirely furnished though so all it needs is repairs to doors and possibly generator repairs
considering the generator hasnt been exposed to the elements it might work just with a bit of grease
hushed bobcat
the generator might be ok
I'd be worried about condensation in the cylinders causing rust but if its all underground I dont think the temps would swing enough to cause condensation
It's probably Gasoline powered, though there is a small chance its diesel
serene jungle
I'm interested in this project though. Keep us updated!
tight urchin
@hushed bobcat ouch. yeah no ground is bad. my house was made in the 70s but had a ground (canada)
rich depot
i wonder if i can make the bunker ANT proof, i have a fucking ant infestation every year and it annoys the shit out of me @tight urchin
its been airtight for decades so i doubt there is any infestations in there, my neighbour said before it was sealed off everything was heavily cleaned with harsh chemicals and all the furniture was metal, i doubt anything has rusted, my neighbour said the pool was drained so no risk there thank god.... i cant imagine trying to clean a pool that has been stagnant for decades 
@hushed bobcat my neighbour told me that the generator is natural gas, it was replaced apparently a few years before the owner sold the property. its likely still connected to the natural gas line for the house, this might explain the branch off of the natural gas line that the people who worked on the furnace couldnt figure out where it goes to
it has a switch and its been switched off for years luckily
otherwise it might combust when the door opens 
it would probably melt the neighbourhood if that entire bunker was filled with pressurized gas
might want to bring in a company to inspect the generator professionally
will likely have my cousin assist since he works in the energy industry
will likely hire a local company but having it double checked by an actual engineer is probably a good idea
hushed bobcat
Just watched WAN Show, apparently the Motherboard failed in the LTT Folding PC
timber fossil
is that why i'm not getting any jobs?
frozen peak
not their folding server, the folding rig with 6 Titan V's
brittle coral
@hushed bobcat oof i just started that episode, i wish i had been able to watch it live but i was watching the stream from the day before still he did at his house rebuilding his rig while i did similar work lol
i have a friend's rig here still for work and it has some file on it idk what that was causing it to shut down
so i manually copied all his files thinking i'd avoid it that way and its now making the rig i used to copy files shut down xD
so i have to clear an SSD i had put off clearing manually (move files off that i need then secure erase) so i can get my 4th folding rig back up and copy his data. it shuts off randomly and i want enough time to copy it all as fast as possible so i can't just use the platter hard drive in there lmao
im going to isolate the data onto that drive and then once that's done see if it keeps happening, and if it doesn't im gonna plug it back in and sniff the drive to see whats going out over it and running if anything XD
thick holly
This means it is doing what it needs to do, right?
I accidentally didn't suspend the cpu on FAH, but it looks like both applications are using the cpu.
I was worried because this says 0. I want to wait till fah finishes working on the project it currently is working on then I will suspend fah cpu.
rich depot
Yeah it will be fine, just will run slower.
thick holly
As long as it is running. The 0 threw me off. As soon as the fah cpu job is done i will suspend them until after the boinc event.
silver wing
Anyone else able to join the fight on Rosetta@Home for the next day and a half? So close to 2nd place, can smell the silver in the air
vague flint
I didn't do more than skim the abstract, but I thought this might be interesting to anyone here.
main mist
Well I am using it anyway.
wintry halo
news sources: look at all these unnoticed workers fighting covid-19 shows a man unloading trash into a truck
people who do folding :
untold valve
is folding at home easily deployable to many computers at once
wintry halo
pretty sure you have to run it on different identities, maybe youd be able to use the same passkey, but you can use it on different computers
weary epoch
nah you can use the same identity and passkey across several computers
just install the client on each computer and set your identity up
wintry halo
am i able to have folding @ home only use my gpu?
main mist
Yes
wintry halo
how do i do that?
main mist
Disable it
wintry halo
im a dumbass, can i get more information than that?
main mist
In the settings
rocky otter
@wintry halo open up advanced control (search FAHControl, or look for the icon in the taskbar, click it, click advanced control), then when it opens up, right click on your CPU and hit pause.
wintry halo
thanks
rocky otter
no problem king!
terse raven
wintry halo
how do i check my rank? im sorry, im new to this
onyx canopy
top 5k LTT is very active
I only got top 4K today
22.7M for top 3K, pretty sure when I'll have 22.7M it will be like 24M
18.7M rn
45.6M top 1K, i'll try to get there
but it will probably take months
brittle coral
@wintry halo https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=223518&p=2
@severe warren
this is the team rank listings, you can sort by different variables. For example, all time metrics are not always the best indicator of active folders so you can also sort by 24hr or weekly metrics. we're talking about all time ranks right now though
wintry halo
thanks
silver onyx
my gpu usage is not going up more that 10%
folding power is at max and cpu is paused
frozen peak
@silver onyx task manager doesn't show gpu usage correctly for fah, do this to see it
or use the graph in afterburner
severe warren
hey i need to know what my ranking is. i have around 3mil points rn and im the linus tech tips team
jade flicker
I'm having issues with folding on F@H (keep running into WUs that give "There is no domain decomposition for 20 ranks that is compatible with the given box and a minimum cell size of 1.37225 nm" and stop folding) on my 3950x, tried different amount of threads (2*16, 28, 30, 32). according to forums there's no solution. Do you think boinc would be better in this case?
silver onyx
@frozen peak will do! thx
brittle coral
@severe warren i need to know your exact point value as given to LTT specifically to tell you
theres literally thousands of listings within that point range
100k off and it could be several pages till i find you 😛
severe warren
@brittle coral 2,722,618
do i have to come to you everytime i wanna know my rank or is there a chart that i can look at everytime i wanna know?
brittle coral
no i literally just linked it an hour ago
or 2
lol
you dont have to scroll up far at all
tagged u
i cant find you myself within that page range
its in the early 200s
keep in mind, the main number F@H shows is your total score across all teams
you will need to check what it says your contribution is to the current team your client is set to
severe warren
how do i check that?
oh yea it says 2,722,618 is going to linus's team
also it says im top 200?
@brittle coral
severe warren
LMAO
brittle coral
i didnt actually find you by name in here
severe warren
ok yeah that makes so much sense
brittle coral
im just going based on your score
severe warren
yea im trying to find it now
brittle coral
im on page 2 xD
brittle coral
but that took outfolding the LTT 6 titan rig
brittle coral
2080ti, 2060, rx5700xt, rx580, 1070, 2 p106-100, 1060 3gb, and a 980ti
oh also a 290x
xD
that's going into a friend's rig to fold at his hosue
on my profile still
severe warren
damn bro i only have 2 1060's and a vega 56 XD
im working on getting more rigs up and running tho
super excited
brittle coral
do it
if you can get into the 1-2mppd range you'll rise fast
im at like 7-8m right now
severe warren
mppd?
severe warren
ahh alright thanks
severe warren
nioce
brittle coral
im about to have some more downtime tho possibly, trading my 3600x for a 3900x and $210
severe warren
thats really good lmfao
brittle coral
yea then i can upgrade my main rig and swap the 3800x i have in it out
i was going to get a 4950x when they launched potentially but now IDK what i want to do xD
i could swap out the 2600x i guess and do something with it
severe warren
you should just wait and see with 10th gen intel
brittle coral
or get rid of the 8350k rig xD
severe warren
true lol
brittle coral
im not buying anything intel lol
not for folding
it makes absolutely no sense
amd beats intel handily
brittle coral
no the performance gap is massive
on the high end
intel's newest high end cpu is what 10 cores for desktop?
vs a 16 core
severe warren
true
brittle coral
that has higher IPC
severe warren
amd is going bonkers
brittle coral
i love it
brittle coral
yea i regretted buying my 8350k board later without getting a better CPU as was the plan
it did not age well
severe warren
price per preformance baby
brittle coral
i had just bought a z97 board to try and refresh my 4790k rig that had lost a CPU thinking it was a bad board
so i was down $120 budget xD
i have much better options now
severe warren
lmao
brittle coral
i just didnt expect my rig to die on me at the time
and was spending money on my business
but now with this lockdown extending prob through june my business is on hold and im spending what i could onto research 😛
but thats it for now, no more till new GPUs hit market
i have one extra slot in one rig for another AMD or nvidia card currently xD, ideally AMD since thats whats in there now
but i'd be upgrading my 2080ti
so idk, i might get a 3070 when they launch
if theyre under $450
😛
severe warren
have any specs came out on new gpu's?
brittle coral
leaked
moores law is dead youtube channel has several vids going over different leaks
severe warren
really? damn i dont know any
brittle coral
also the xbox series x and PS5 have revealed navi 2 info
severe warren
ill chech him out
brittle coral
its expected navi2 may hit 2.5ghz
severe warren
yea i heard about that
brittle coral
as a standard
and the PS5 is apparently faster than a 2080ti with a similar number of cores to a 5700xt
36cu navi2 is roughly comparable to 40cu navi im hearing
so they are getting 2080ti performance in a laptop power profile
and nvidia has to make ampere beat that
if they want to hold the crown
and do it on an inferior process tech at the lower price points because AMD bought up most of 7nm+
severe warren
i thought ampere is for AI and servers?
brittle coral
they have to meet demand for 2 console launches using their CPUs and GPUs
no its both
ampere is going into everything top down
severe warren
dang so gaming too?
brittle coral
speculated 8k SP
lmfao of course
the 3060 is prob going to beat it
and the lineup is reported as 4-5x faster in RTX
they may obsolete the RTX performance of older cards by forcing it on in drivers
so you cant just turn it off and get better performance in older games
i got my 2080ti with this knowledge just so i could have it for 9 months or so at that level of performance today 😛
if im locked down as long as i am then i need it lol
i just got a 165hz monitor i want to enjoy both
severe warren
lol yea makes sense
damn i didnt even hear about the 3060 and the 3070
im living under a rock lmfao
wait so is the ps5 going to have a amd gpu in it or a nividia?
brittle coral
its not officially announced for those cards
its just leaks
PS5 and Xbox Series X will both have Navi2 parts and its expected that the Series X will basically have a near top of the line part
both come with 1tb SSD storage at least as fast if not faster than gen4 PCIe x4
severe warren
and nvidia wants ampere to beat the 3000 line?
brittle coral
i mean
duh
?
but also we dont know
we really dont know, AMD seems to have an ace in their hand
keep in mind btw
the 5700xt may have used more power than a 2060
but it also was only a 225w card
they both have up to 300w to work with if they want and a lot more performance on the new node
and smaller transistors
35-50% more transistors and up to a 25-30% clock speed boost is expected
and AMD is bringing out RTX stuff too
its all RTX all the way down on both lines
severe warren
i understand that nividia is coming out with their 3000 line and ampere but de we know anything about what amd is relesing?
brittle coral
nothing we havent already extrapolated from the 2 consoles
we can assume that like their CPU counterparts they will have desktop counterparts using the same die
theres no reason not to
severe warren
but i though that the both cards are navi2 and navi is nividia right?
brittle coral
haha yea
severe warren
also is Navi2 and RDNA2 the same thing?
severe warren
gotcha thanks
because i saw that RDNA2's code name is Navi 2x for some reason lmao
brittle coral
they may be i think xD
they are literally calling it 2x
and the next one after is 3x
@_@
severe warren
brittle coral
folding on a laptop CPU is both slow and risky to the system b ecuase of poor cooling without proper configuration
you will need to ease back the CPU intensity to medium most likely or low and maybe not use all the cores
it can be done but it will contribute very little to the network
folding on a laptop GPU is at least worth the time if you can get it in a nice stable config
wattage limiting it is advised
you may want to put on fresh thermal material as well if it's not a recent laptop just to help with temps and definitely clean all the dust out
mental girder
ohhh I see
It has only skylake gpu 😦 so I dont think it will help much!
sorry
I wish to help but it has 2 core cpu (?) and iGPU only
brittle coral
if you want to contribute the best thing to do is look into undervolting it as much as possible and finding a clock speed it's stable at while undervolted
so you don't have to constantly monitor it
but it still is going to make your system very warm
mental girder
it is old system so I dont mind if it dies
I only use it for irc right now so it shouldnt be problem
brittle coral
yay i got my overlay set up again
i moved a bunch of data around on different drives and forgot to point playclaw to the correct overlay image
xD
mental girder
I have ordered thermal paste stuff, if my laptop no throttle then I will try on main machine ok?
mental girder
because this main machine has lot of my work
brittle coral
the trick is to control that throttling yourself
mental girder
nono main machine is 8750H with rtx 2070mq
brittle coral
find a point it doesn't constantly thrash the cooling to death
mental girder
and throttle stop is set with disable turbo boost but still throttlijng haha
mental girder
this laptop big joke
brittle coral
folding will really hammer it tho
mental girder
every youtuber say BUY BUy BUy
mental girder
is it like prime95 or aida thingy
brittle coral
yea
mental girder
folding i mean
brittle coral
its basically a useful app
mental girder
oh damn
brittle coral
that does that same kind of code
its all FP32
just continuous non stop floating point loads pegging 100% of the GPU
even more intensive than crysis!
xD
big F
mental girder
wow we need tpu then?
brittle coral
yea that's why high core count ryzen CPUs can go above the performance of some of last gen's lower end GPUs in folding performance
mental girder
floating point is better on tpus right
mental girder
I eat ramen everyday so I do not know what $4000 is
brittle coral
in ramens
brittle coral
$4000 is the equivalent of filling your house
with ramens
dry ramen
and then your neighborss house
rpob the whole block
its like a few bucks per 12 pack i would have to do the math
and thats with the cheap ramen
severe warren
oh yea i forgot to ask but was all the info on the 3000 line for nividias upcoming gpus announced in the recent GTC keynote or was it before that?
brittle coral
i buy the $1 a pack ramen that tastes better lmao
no its heavy leaks
like
this is not official
severe warren
ahhh ok so the recent keynote was just about ampere?
brittle coral
it was about a100 i think yea
they are launching the top of the line server parts yea
the HPC compute blasters
severe warren
yea ok good
brittle coral
but yea, spend the time adn watch all his vids in the last week
and theres a few within the last month
and other info
basically hes spent the whole month working on leaks he got all at once
everyone is tryina play that game right now
severe warren
will do. thanks
brittle coral
yea its a dope channel
they have a podcast they do as well as video content
its well worth spending the hours to watch everything
severe warren
ok becuse i thought the info on the 3000 line flew by my head lmfao
brittle coral
lots and lots of info to absorb there
no way lol
its all leaks at this point
theres just enough stuff that one person is saying that another is confirming that you can start putting pieces together
severe warren
ok well thats good ill watch a couple vids today
brittle coral
yea the first 2 are 4 hours by themselves
broken silicon 48 podcast and i havent even watched the one after it
and there's an ampere full leak
thats 30m long but the podcast goes on abot navi 2x and RDNA2
severe warren
yea i see those 2 vids
brittle coral
its good stuff
he just made it into the top 100 on youtube, def an up and comer
that nvidia ampere leak got hella reshared as well
its 6 days old and already 289k views
okay, time to start actually gaming now that i fixed my overlay xD
you're welcome though
severe warren
yeah thanks again lol
brittle coral
bahaha
my overlay still dont work
i think cause the game is doom and it's using vulkan xD
guess im giving my new monitor's overlay thingy a try
brittle coral
man, im annoyed they wont let me upload a multi-color image file
but i manged to replicate the function of my old crosshair overlay fairly well despite not being able to do color gradients or transpacancies xD
still helps a ton tho in doom 🙂
brittle coral
ayeeeeeee
distant epoch
Though I'm gonna sit here for the next couple hours making sure it'll all say good. Because I need to make sure I can have it on when I'm AFK
distant epoch
Because it actually thermal throttled a while back when I overclocked lol
I did ad config
brittle coral
theres some slot parameters you can set to keep things working fast
like downloading units ahead of time 😛
brittle coral
yea fr
also this is the config on my 2080ti
the % is relative to the card's performance, adjust as you feel is needed
it helps prevent downtime 🙂
distant epoch
Oh dude I'm totally okay with the regular settings. Because I got a fan going in my room and it staying cool. Tbh I haven't seen any downtime so far but if I do imma do that
brittle coral
it was downright mandatory to run the client this way if you wanted any work back in march nad early april
xD
i had some downtime yesterday too
980ti just wouldn't get work till today
distant epoch
Wait... you getting a old PC to do some work too?
brittle coral
that card is a friend's
i have uh
the 8th top contributing slot on the team between 4 rigs
xD
sry 5 technically
im folding on a friend's rig
just in full on my acct
as well
distant epoch
Lmao, what ever gets the job done
brittle coral
right
my 8350k, a smattering of ryzen, his 4590 (was a 4790k but it died), and 10 GPUs
tho the 8350k is feeding 3 nvidia GPUs so its not folding cpu wu at all
no time
ryzen handles that well enough to have 6 threads left over on a 2600x
but yea, running a lot of rigs taught me how to spot all the problems 😄
slow hamlet
is it possible to change this?
rich depot
Anyone currently running BOINC for the ongoing event, please swap everything you have CPU wise over to Rosetta, we may just be able to squeeze second place in the marathon, but we gotta give it all shes got!
Also, suspend any ongoing GPU BOINC WUs to free up the CPU cores for Rosetta, its going to be a photo finish folks!
@thick holly Hope you're giving it all you've in the tank!
severe warren
do you guys have your folding at home set to fighting any disease or just covid-19
round zealot
@slow hamlet it will change. probs just not enough WU atm to give out
shut halo
any disease
thick holly
@rich depot Thank you for pinging me, apparently I had it suspended.
rich depot
14 hours to go! Give it all the threads and set the CPU time to 90% that way you can clear the most WUs in time while still being able to use your system We are so close to taking silver from P3D
severe warren
14 hours to go for what?
oh i get whats going on
this channel is for boinic and folding
lol
i dont know anything about boinic but its similar to folding correct?
rich depot
In some ways yes, but more annoying!!!
Although I'm bound to say that when you think about it...
amber shoal
what is folding?
silver wing
When you take a fabric item, typically something you wear and you make it smaller by creating creases dividing it's surface area size
Serious answer it's using computing power to simulate how proteins jiggle, move and unravel
brittle coral
leadeater dont be mean xD
❤️
but yea serious answer is the correct one
good ELI5
a more complicated explanation is that it uses a whole bunch of people's gaming PCs and work stations to make the worlds biggest super computer by an order of magnitude
using the internet and genie magic and servers that tell the clients what to do
genie magic is a technical term
thick holly
BOINC is less user friendly imo than fah
brittle coral
yea
thick holly
How do I use all my cpu?
brittle coral
i wish F@H did more than just proteins
silver wing
yep, that's why F@H uses it's own client even though it's based on the same architecture as BOINC
brittle coral
you can use all your CPU in boinc, the issue is you have to do custom local config files for each PC or the web config overrides it
i didn't figure this out till i was out of time to spend configuring a bunch of PCs for it for the recent computing event, im still spending all my tech time working on my friend's PC
thick holly
wow
brittle coral
leadeater get a load of this, it had some kind of malware that causes a hard shutdown
i managed to clone the hard shutdown bug to my 4th folding rig i was using as a clean copying bed to save time
it was literally faster to reinstall windows on it after it got infected than try to get the files to copy before the rig would shut down once it triggered (takes about 2 days to set in)
it's either a broken malware or someone testing their latest shut down the whole server hack
and well, it works
eventually.....
silver wing
I don't even bother cleaning virus PCs, grab files that are needed then burn it to the ground
brittle coral
yea thats the problem
is i am not sure what files in his needed stuff contain the infection
because we did in fact only pull the needed stuff
its literally just all in his users folder
im giving it one last chance, and hoping it didn't somehow clone onto hardware in my rig as well now xD i have no idea what the hell at this point. virus scan found a trojan and some other DLL attacks but those are gone now and its still happening
but fresh installs are now in place with files off the USB that i used to back up, which was also scanned and had the copy of the trojan and DLL attacks removed before the OS reinstall
and then i hit it with another round of antivirus and malware scans after to be safe
i'll let you know by wednesday xD
but yea, this is my worst nightmare
something got nested in with the essential files my friend uses to produce, probably a sketchy sample pack or something
raw atlas
something on the network maybe.. heard of a virus that hides in the router and abuses that..
thick holly
Twitter
jade flicker
folding with FAH is such a headache, cpu slots keep erroring, GPU took a lot of work to even be recognized by the client, community can't help with the errors and their forums feels like 2004 (UI, character limits, url blocking and still requiring mod approval). Guess I'll have have to switch to boinc
(but maybe gonna keep folding with it on gpu)
weary epoch
I haven't seen CPU slots error out, there's really not any configuration it can mess up on (unlike GPUs where changing opencl ids can break it)
so your CPU probably is on an unstable overclock, or just isn't stable. try underclocking
rich depot
Yeah, failing CPU slots are 99% of the time when you have OC'd too far or when you haven't given 'er enough voltage
stark bough
i like F@H for that reason. plug and play. how many people dropped out now that the 'covid hype' is over?
trim plover
heres my check in i guest. passed 2 mill recently
spiral coral
I'm guessing we got 6th place... not too bad, I assume?
daring comet
I'm in the top 30k! :P
spiral coral
Congrats
jade flicker
@weary epoch @rich depot Apparently I needed to use 27 threads, 16, 24, 30, 32 were all failing at some point.
no unstable CPU or anything like that
pseudo abyss
Even if a CPU or GPU doesn't seem unstable in games or benchmarks or like Aida, it can still be in folding@home
jade flicker
it's running below spec at very cool temps
according to the F@H people (from which I finally got solution) the thread numbers above 16 to use isn't straight forward, depends on the project but apparently 27 is supposed to be safe for me (agains what their troubleshooting guide says, which mostly states to use powers of 2)
also running linux and running load for extended periods of time and even getting uptimes of 1-2 months has been fine so far
snow mesa
Hello
marble quartz
weak flume
We're now passed EVGA
pseudo abyss
yey!
tawdry tangle
is F@H on Debian Linux?
main mist
fierce steppe
Congratulations on passing EVGA. #3! Great work!
wooden charm
So nice P3! go go LTT Team!
brittle coral
anyone else starting to intermittently have issues getting WU again?
i woke up freezing because my 2080ti didn't get any work while i was asleep Y_Y
should have left my tube amp on LOL
umbral sierra
try gpugrid if folding run dry on gfx wu
brittle coral
@severe warren ayyyy 4 rig club boiii
though im technically at 5 overall, im at 4 rn
i have 2 cards offline as well
i was expecting my friend to come and pick up his rig today but he didn't
just gonna leave it
im doing a CPU swap
brittle coral
i mailed my 3600 to kansas and im sending the guy $240+shipping when he gets it to trade for a 3900x
severe warren
damn thats still such a good deal lmao
brittle coral
i havent decided if im going to even use it in my main rig yet tho xD
eh its about the same price as a 3900x would ahve been
if i didn't get the 3600 for free
severe warren
lel yea the one that im using rn to talk in discord with is my main rig and thats going full blast folding too
brittle coral
yea like, if i REALLY wanted to make my whole farm faster
the best thing to do would be to have just got a threadripper 3960x
and stuck all my nvidia cards in 1 system minus like 1 each
let the CPUs all have more time
severe warren
true lol
brittle coral
and still fold as fast as my 3800x
xD
but
thats $$$$
and im not doing a rig like that unless i need the PCIe
for like, other things not just that
severe warren
yea its a butt load of cash
severe warren
im trying to find a job:(
brittle coral
rn things are not so great, i need to file for UE but i havent because executive function is hard
severe warren
its sorta hard when ur a 16 year old trying to find a interning job at a electrical engineering or computer repair job lmfao
brittle coral
I'm gonna nag my family to sit me down and do it with me, usually when im having trouble iwth something i get someone friend or fam to do that nad it works out
im like
almost 30 so its worse xD
severe warren
oof damn
severe warren
i wish i was just already in yhe feild of something that i actually want to do
instead of school 😦
brittle coral
i have a similar level of ability to most high functioning autistic folk which is to say if i find a niche i could make a boatload of $ but if i don't im SOL and harder to put myself out there lol
fortunately i have had several years worth of trying to start my own businesses
severe warren
damn that sucks
brittle coral
so even if i don't have work at other companies on paper besides ap izza place
severe warren
oh thats so cool
brittle coral
i can talk circles around what these businesses were or are doing (one is still running sorta, we rent gear for events lol F)
yea
so like if i applied somewhere and said hey i want a normal job again but im willing to work my way up if you are looking for a new lead soon but not right now, let me prove myself, someone might take me up on it
im decent at organizing teams and establishing goals and i don't overtly micromanage except with one or 2 people who work best that way, because i work best leading one to two people directly while advising the others and assigning team leaders with similar skills
severe warren
thats great that your in that postion to do that tho
severe warren
lmao
brittle coral
i got my first supervisor position because I said I had over 10 years organizing personnel in a supervisory/leadership capacity in an org over 200 people
severe warren
youve been working since u were 14?
brittle coral
they didn't ask what hte org was, just taht they wanted someone with that experience and asked me how to do that shit
no i was playing everquest 2 when i was 14
leading guilds
brittle coral
its fine
i worded it in a way to intentionally go over peoples heads if they werent paying attention
it worked on them it worked on you
and it wasnt a lie or and omission, that shit takes a lot of work and patience
and i was organizing mostly adults as basically a kid
not putting up with their bullshit, calling them on their immaturity
xD
i wasnt the best either but i was somehow better htan half of them
severe warren
damn you big brain
brittle coral
eh
i dont like to brag on that, esp with the disabilities
i tested gifted as a kid and thats one of the things i can apply it to
but im also really fucking bad at other shit
or i wouldn't still be living at home lol
its frustrating
brittle coral
i try to humble myself cause of it and aim for what i can grab onto and go
severe warren
yep same
brittle coral
idk, maybe there's a lesson in al lthat for ya lol
severe warren
maybe idk lol
brittle coral
i would not mind being 16 again but with knowledge of now
and live back then
i'd be way better off 😛
like not selling my 1500 bitcoin to buy ap izza in 2010
severe warren
damn thats a alot of bitcoin
brittle coral
yea i decided it was going to be a while before it was worth even paying attention to and busted out
uh
e5200
it was a nerfed core 2 duo with lower clocks and 2mb L2
not that cache mattered for mining really
overclocked to about the stock clocks of an e8500
severe warren
that cpu is $12 dollars nowadays...
brittle coral
was worth the $65 i spent on it
to get a $80 memory/board combo from a friend and update my at the time very aged out athlon 4000+ single core
i cobbled together for under $300 a full system processing core upgrade
GPU CPU Mem MB and an aftermarket cooler!
severe warren
i wish bitcoin mining was as easy as it was back then tbh
silver wing
1C outside, below 10C inside, 26C in the room with my servers in it. Standing in that room to warm up, priceless 🙂
brittle coral
ayyyy thats wahts up
goddammit, im really tempted to do a 3 rig water loop @silver wing. I could hook up my entire folding setup in the garage to a chiller and use some splitters and a single high powered pump to cool 3 CPUs at once to whatever temperature i choose really, within a certain range. it would also be fun to hook the same thing up to my main rig and see how cool I can get it. it's so tempting ugh https://smile.amazon.com/Active-Aqua-AACH10HP-Chiller-Cooling/dp/B07BHHQLKR/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=active+aqua+water+chiller&qid=1589966474&sr=8-6
there's more expensive ones but that one cools about 300 watts which should be enough to get my CPU and GPU to ambient temps
or like, just above ambient if i have a full load 300w gpu and 95w cpu
silver wing
I'd have to go way bigger, UPS load is 2.2kva lol
brittle coral
and look at the page
theres bigger ones
thats a lot of power tho hehe
theres one that's $990 tho that will cool 3000w 🙂
10k btu is about 3000w rounded up
this is waht inspired it, this is he same brand of cooler as linus used in this vid
the best part is that the radiation surface within the chiller was enough that it could cool the CPU without turning it on but with the pump circulating it
not to sub ambient but it cooled it like water cooling xD
but yea, the model in the video looks like a slightly older make of the one i linked, they're both 1/10th horsepower which should be enough to cool a single highly overclocked CPU lol
lucid plinth
narrow tide
lmao who is curecoin
fickle needle
curecoin is a crypto currency that distrbutes rewards based on how much you mine
glass sage
Nothing. I was messing around with an auto clicker. Did weird stuff
brittle coral
fasho. if that happens in the future you can delete your comments btw after you make them 😉
wraith echo
This is weird. FAH client on my Ubuntu Server 20.04 is always on idle. I have yet to see it fold.
I can force it, but I'd much rather it not interfere with Plex server.
fickle needle
weird, do the logs show it trying to grab WUs every hour or so?
wraith echo
Haven't checked. I do have it set as client-type=advanced
Aside from the Logs tab in the Client Advanced Control, where else would I look?
22:21:39:Trying to access database... 22:21:39:Successfully acquired database lock 22:21:39:Enabled folding slot 00: PAUSED cpu:1 (waiting for idle)
rich depot
try to tell it to run all the time, not just idle
wheat lynx
^
rich depot
@silver wing The link at the top of this should point to the folding community board rather than the COVID event btw. Was wondering why we were still getting new people posting there from time to time
wheat lynx
that's unfortunate
brittle coral
yea that might be something for jakkuh or someone up high
rich depot
@unique sigil can you change the link at the top of this channel to the folding community board? https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/902973-folding-community-board
brittle coral
Thanks @rich depot i didn't want to be some random tagging the higher ups, wasn't even sure if it would let me. Also Hi Jakkuh! Get the folding rig back up so I can fight it for the top 10 slots on the team 😛
my 3900x ships from kansas tomorrow, a very kind Anandtech forum member traded me it for my 3600 and some cash, I'm IRL friends with an admin so he's been tagging me for the good deals now xD. 1 day shipping so it better be in my rig on sat lol
rich depot
No worries!
lofty sigil
brittle coral
yea it was a good trade, it was about the same as if i'd paid for the 3900x but i got the 3600 for free? so fuck it, profit?
the real question is, should I put it in my main rig and swap out the 3800x, especially since it will be water cooled there, or put it under a 212+ with a 5200rpm fan on it in the garage and dedicated fold with it instead of turning it down sometimes to game?
strange token
@elder pebble its not really advertizing cuz im going to change the servers ip whne i am done with the test
stark bough
I’ve been thinking of swapping my my 3700x for 3900x. Getting a b450 microATX or even ITX putting the 3700x in there and giving it to my bro.
Or maybe even waiting for the 3900x equivalent in 4th gen
cobalt igloo
at this point given how close we are to 4th gen and the fact amd decided to support older motherboards in the end, I'd wait for it
stark bough
yeah I’ll be keeping my TUF x570
crazy how some people consider prebuilts “cheaper cause they’re smaller and have a name brand”
when most of the its due to cost of inventory and they’re mostly matx
pseudo abyss
95%+ of people dont need anything more than mATX
Probably more
Hell, majority of people could probably do with an ITX mobo
stuck geyser
mATX is great
fickle needle
ITX is kinda painful
stuck geyser
too smol
fickle needle
not having room for anything but a GPU locks you out of a lot of cool niche expansion cards
Linus covered that with his streaming machine
stuck geyser
yeah
mystic hollow
much better WU distribution lately
brittle coral
@stark bough my plan was to buy the top core count CPU when zen3 launches (Assumedly 16 cores) but now IDK xD
i have 3 x570 boards and i'd actually be retiring a 2600x so it may be worth it lol
stark bough
@brittle coral I'm just waiting to see the hardware requirements and bugs when it comes to that. but yeah starting to regret getting the tuf. especially since the bottommost slot isnt even x16
from a practical 'gaming' standpoint, I'll probably never need it.
brittle coral
all the boards on that platform the bottom slot wont be x16 tho
you'd have to get a threadripper
which, when zen3 threadrippers come out, maybe you could for a reasonable price for a 3960x
i saw 1st gen threadripper CPUs available on anandtech recently with board for a very reasonable price as well and almost snagged one but I decided not to, i don't think it was more htan an 8 corel ol
But yea, in principle I agree, I miss x48 it was the last time you could put a CPU of a consumer socket into a "workstation" class platform with dual 16x PCIe slots lol
mystic hollow
@brittle coral well, there was one exception
@brittle coral https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Pro-WS-X570-ACE/ has first two slot from CPU (thus x8/x8 PCI-E 4.0) and third slot is "technically" PCI-E 4.0 x8 on electric side, but it is connected via PCI-E 4.0 x4 PCH connectivity. But for PCI-E 3.0 GPU, it counts as three PCI-E 3.0 x8 slots
but it cots around 300 euros/$370, so...
silver wing
but you don't really need x16 though...?
stark bough
https://i.imgur.com/QRKxBoO.jpg
I figured the final form of my R6 would be in a storage config, with a GPU slot, a u.2 or nvme cache in the second slot, and a SAS contoller in the 3rd.
3rd slot only x1
silver wing
just buy used xeons and gpu optimized server boards, cheaper and plenty of x16 and x16 (x8) slots 🙂
stark bough
yeah i havent dived into the used server market.
im looking for a used server build to cut my teeth on. going to have to be either a desktop or 'quiet' build. or possibly in my r6.
took me what felt like forever to just get used to what 3-4 gens of cpu/gpus look like and the used server hardware is going to have a different learning curve. rewards would be lower power consumption and value, but then again i'd have access to a smaller support pool and non current gen hardware.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
rich depot
everyone showing off while I have a Sandy Bridge i5 with no GPU
pseudo abyss
Most people only use one slot, and that's GPU
I only went mATX and not ITX because just in case I want to do 10Gbit between my desktop and NAS
And easier to find good mATX board
brittle coral
@silver wing i would like it though, i opted not to get a number of upgrades for at least a generation because I don't have the bandwidth to run them in the x4 slot lol. namely, i was considering a 4x NVMe card but there's no point if the last slot isn't x16 lol
I'm just remembering the old days when you could stick the same CPU in a much heftier platform and not have to pick and choose on features because you can't afford the more espensive CPU and board both
the entry point to that platform was tied entirely to board price back then, to start on threadripper you need a cPU thats over $1000 new
mystic hollow
@brittle coral that was Core 2 era at best
mystic hollow
@brittle coral you can buy 1st and 2nd gen Threadripper for cheaper, still gives you lot of lanes
brittle coral
and I had several boards back then that i used all the bandwidth on that way xD
pseudo abyss
But for my nas, 2,5 Gbit would have been enough to max out HDDs
brittle coral
Yea i'm aware, they're all much cheaper now, i'm just demonstrating the 10-15x price increase for those features vs a decade ago
you could buy a $60 CPU back then and stick it in an x48 board
and when the I7 lineup came out they at least had a $300~ option for the platform. fast forward to today and we're using more bandwidth than ever but if I want room for more than 2-3 NVMe SSDs at full bandwidth I have to buy a $1000 CPU lol
or buy something from a generation or two before without the latest IPC improvements and other things to go with that bandwidth lol.
silver wing
@brittle coral Those older generations didn't have PCIe on the CPU and was all of the chipset so not really actually better
brittle coral
I am aware i remember lol
I was playing around with RAID cards at the time that used a full x16 bandwidth when pumped full of cheap SSDs
a friend who did lots of work on uncompressed data back then needed a rig to load it all from RAM as fast as possible so we saturated an x48 board and ran the GPU in a 1x riser
he just hit me up asking if we could build a cheap rig like that again because he just got a new partner who needs a PC that can do that kind of work lol
he doesn
stark bough
@mystic hollow
i was going to get one, but the mobos man.
brittle coral
doesn't buy used eve,r can't trust it
stark bough
not $60 cheap, but still
@mystic hollow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465306867590234114/637487863797383199/2019-10-25_20_08_55-Window.png
course not. 1900x is $50
silver wing
Yes but today you can do what is required with a single NVMe so it's kinda meh needing many PCIe slots and lanes unless you need multiple GPUs and highspeed NICs
brittle coral
they're just in a bind where something died and they haven't been paid for a 6 figure contract
they can't even fully tell me what it is they're doing just the bandwidth requirements
silver wing
and GPUs on x8 is fine anyway
brittle coral
the rest is confidential
all I know is that the current gen rig uses an x16 card's whole bandwidth to swap in and out of VRAM cause the client is GPU enabled now
and the primary bottleneck is moving data in and out of storage
and they just spent their last budget on rent
xD
they're basically saturating 2 x16 slots at the same time
silver wing
then there is probably a better way of doing what ever it is they are doing
brittle coral
well i wouldn't be able to help them the contract from the client has them under strict NDA
they usually just do all this work themselves but when they saw the price of new threadripper they balked a bit, they just refuse to buy anything that's not current gen either because they're always adding faster hardware WHEN they get paid xD
his main system is actually an EPYC rig running 3 GPUs and 3 4x PCIe gen4 NVMe drives each
silver wing
You don't have to buy the 3990X lol
yea that is expensive but it's not like there aren't cheaper options
or Xeon-W, or Skylake-X/Cascade Lake-X
brittle coral
yea they just can't afford even the 3960x because of their finances, if their other more conventional CAD work client had paid them for a year worth of dev work they would be fine
one of the hard rules is their contracts all specify no used hardware, everything is bought new and they usually replace it by the time warranty is up
which in the case of this rig is in 3 days and the manufacturer isn't responding to calls before the weekend
they've basically created an impossible situation and asked me to see if i can work around it lol
im hunting for 29** threadripper new but i think they're going to come up short no matter what
silver wing
Well it's all down to do they just need PCIe or a good amount of CPU cores or both
brittle coral
otherwise i'd just get them one of those 1900x deals
there's still one available for $300 with board on anandtech for sale/trade last i checked
they need whatever they can throw at it
silver wing
well no surely there is actually requirements and a load profile to know actually what you need
brittle coral
the client has been around since before they could GPU accelerate the load and they keep updating the CPU side just because its a combo processing/data moving bottleneck depending on what part of the load they're at
silver wing
otherwise everyone needs a DL580 with 4x 8180's lol
brittle coral
they usually use quadro cards with massive FB but they were going to make due with a spare 2080ti the guy had in his gaming rig
i wish i knew more
i know i could help them better if i did but NDAs and stuff lol
ive seen screenshots from task manager showing the utilization grapths though
silver wing
they don't need to break NDA's to tell you what they need, if the software doesn't scale decent past say 12 cores then that is something you can work off
brittle coral
its like 3/4ths processing 1/4th moving data in and out of memory
silver wing
That's why the 8893 v4 existed, it's only 4 cores but can scale up to 8 sockets and was for people that needed really large system memory and bandwidth with good core clocks 🙂
sitting on the same platform as the 8890v4 with 24 cores
brittle coral
Yea i really wish I knew more, all I know is he only got the contract because he knew someone through one of his programming classes and had the time to work on a side project that eventually turned into more. My guess is some kind of ultra realistic renders of something where the data itself is confidential because they found something big but they don't have the budget to scale it without risking losing what they have
hence they've been working on it for a decade using what hardware they can afford and paying for it with other work
silver wing
Whats the typical run around time on the processing jobs? If they run for say 4 hours and it takes 30 minutes to copy the data spending a ton of money to make that 15 minutes or keep that 30 minutes instead of an hour seems like a not good spend of money to me
silver wing
lol
brittle coral
iver been pulling my hair out over it for a decade but they pay me for my time so idgaf
silver wing
but yea if the processing is actually quick so it's lot of them then that 1/4 actually makes a bigger difference
brittle coral
it's fairly quick only because of how they sliced up the data. they're working from extremely large sets
normally they use quadro cards like i said, for the frame buffer
silver wing
i.e. if they can do 100 runs per day and halving the data transfer time means 200 runs per day then it would be worth it to spend a lot on storage I/O