#folding-and-boinc

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brittle coral
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once you do

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just make sure to go run for a few minutes between classes around your house so it feels like you're at school xD

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man, i think this is what i think it is, but im not sure. i have this G1/4" threaded end cap thats not actually just a cap, it has metal on it

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im 99.9% positive its silver at the same percent but i dont ahve anything to verify that with

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and i have absolutely no clue where i would have ordered it from to check

onyx canopy
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there s pecific chemical component that reacts with silver

jade slate
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Cl

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it forms AgCl

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or was it the other way around?

onyx canopy
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its AgCl

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but not a big block of Ag

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only as a powder iirc

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sulfate maybe

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It's funny cause they talk about Wu shortage etc

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but everytime I reboot my pc

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Im able to get a new wu

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while if I don't reboot, just pause or else, I don't usually get any wu

brittle coral
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hey so

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anyone here know if a gtx1080 will bottleneck on a 4x slot?

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its 4x gen4 but the card prob wont use more than gen3 bandwidth on 4x

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cause its a 1080 xD

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theres a cheap GTX1080 on craigslist as i missed the 1060 so im considering if i should get it or not

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the 1060 would haVe been fine but idk about the 1080. maybe i should test with the 1070 in a 4x slot but thats a lot of work swapping cards just to test

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i know nvidia cards use a lot of bus bandwidth time because they're communicating non stop with the CPU core they're pegging at full lol

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you can see it in afterburner

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actually, i can answer this question myself

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based on the performance of the 980ti

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nvm thats in an 8x slot

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yea idk, wondering really if it'll be enough lol

solid anchor
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For folding I would think there is more than enough bandwidth in a 4x pcie 3.0

brittle coral
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there isnt

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not for a 1080

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i just looked into it nvidia says you need at least an 8x for anything that uses serious bandwidth

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and folding@home will saturate a 4x link to 85-90% peaks

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on a 1060

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the 1070 uses about 40-50% of the 8x it has as does the 980ti

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cause THAT board doesn't suck and it DOES still do 2 by 8x configuration

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maybe if i had looked around more i could have found one but i doubt most places do it now sadly without buying the high end sockets with lots more PCI-e bandwidth

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enough for like 4 x8 or 4 x16

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but everything i found on forums and digging and in nvidia's official recommendations is nothing less than an 8x

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alright boys, it's time. gonna go start clearing the work bench/desk in the garage for a bench test of this water loop lol

idle harness
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argh imma have to slow down on the folding I think. Electricity bill 😬

brittle coral
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lol oof

stark bough
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wonder how much power id eat if i decided to push my power target up

brittle coral
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btw, you wanna know why i have to do this cleaning, like really actually?

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ever seen dye polymerize?

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this is a sample of clear Primochill Pro LRT (or something similar from them) from 2009-11 era that i purchased for a loop, this is the joint between a the CPU and GPU im pretty sure

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its literally hardened so hard i can barely bend it as well

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though the hardening happened after a few years of sitting open air now

solid anchor
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Yeah that is sorta the problem with dyes in fluid. I have to say I haven’t had issues with the mayhems dyes, yet

brittle coral
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yea

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im not gonna use dye ever again

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colored tubing ftw

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🙂

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while i was digging i also found some unused green tubing

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enough to add some green flare to my otherwise solid red loop

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most of the tubing isnt that bad

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it just has a bit of a red hue or green hue

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im going to use what i can of the cleanest bits so that the vodka can spend its time cleaning the radiators and pump impeller mostly

idle harness
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made some changes and it seems CPU and both GPUs can work at once now which is nice

brittle coral
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i got the whole loop together in the garage now to fill it with vinegar and vodka xD

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just a little vinegar mostly vodka me thinks, since im letting it run overnight

solid anchor
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Vodka is a bit weak by volume

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Only 40% if you used only vodka

hushed bobcat
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@brittle coral My 1080ti has 19-22% bus usage while folding. 16X PCIE 3.0 slot

idle harness
brittle coral
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Lol I thought I sent that already

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I got the bench loop full of vodka with a bit of vinegar and bled the air lol now to wair

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Took about 2 liters for these 4 rads and tubing

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@whole island thanks bud. I'm looking online now to see where I can order citric acid for a proper scrubbing

stark bough
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Is there a real difference between ethyl and isopropyl in a loop?

brittle coral
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honestly probably not

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but this is what was cheap and available in large quantities

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those handles were each like $12 or something and i only used one and a tiny bit of the other

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i actually have a bunch more as well probably sitting somewehre in that garage, i have like 3 cases of alcohol that went to the burn 2 or 3 years ago that i got gifted

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(the burn being the one where they burn the man)

stark bough
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Wonder if Ethane-1,2-diol would be just as good

brittle coral
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well, did you see waht im cleaning out?

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i posted pics earlier

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accidentally reposted it not long ago actually

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that red/pink tubing is actually clear tubing and the gunk in the center is polymerized dye

stark bough
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Yeah. Groady

brittle coral
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im trying to break down whatever layer of it is on the inside of all this shit in the photo above

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i was lucky to find brand new tubing in precut pieces from an ooooold kit i never used

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so i didnt have to use any of the scraps

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ooh and i managed to get distilled water after going to 2 stores xD

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the local market had a whole shelf of it

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but safeway was wiped out

stark bough
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Is the vodka solvating the polymer?

brittle coral
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they actually had no distilled water despite having a whole shelf of spring water

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people are dumb

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idk if the 80 proof is doing it for sure

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i cleaned a bit off on a q tip with 190

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were gonna find out and if it's not enough im gonna increase the proof

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till it is xD

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or just wait for citric acid powder

stark bough
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was going to say if you’re going to do a vodka loop, go full bore 2020 and make it a toilet paper vodka loop

brittle coral
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because if i can remove the oxide layer on the inside of the brass without stripping to much metal

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HAH

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im just using it to clean, the loop in the end is going to be treated distilled water

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silver in the loop has never been enough and with whatever this gunk crap was it didnt help either xD

stark bough
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Imho from a biological standpoint, “distilled” on its own doesn’t make sense

brittle coral
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i mean, pure h2o cant support life without other stuff added

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thats what you're supposed to use

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it doesn't even hydrate you without the proper salinity xD

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hence why the good water has a little bit of salt and minerals in it for mouth feel and to help absorption lol

stark bough
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Actually it can hurt you badly if it’s pure water

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Cells suck it up

brittle coral
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yea i couldn't remember if it was that or that they didnt absorb it

stark bough
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See: Hold your wee for a wii

brittle coral
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thought it was the other one

stark bough
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osmotic pressure

brittle coral
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yea i am just bad at switching things in memory on accident xD

stark bough
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I guess if you REALLY wanted to make sure theirs no biological growth in a loop, then you need to sterilize everything then basically treat it like your swapping an afar plate

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burner is there to kill airborne fungi

brittle coral
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that's waht this primochill pretreatment is supposed to help with that im prepping the loop for XD

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first im cleaning the old bits to get that gunk out so that it doesnt contam the new stuff, then im looping in the new parts once they arrive and running the pre-treatment

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also, i found a leaky fitting xD

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glad i tested

stark bough
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40% is working. Too bad 70% and higher is hard to get right now

brittle coral
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alcohol finds leaks better than water to, runs through stuff water wouldnt cause of its surface tension

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i mean

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i have uh

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That's all 190

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If I need to raise the proof

stark bough
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I’m not big into water cooling, always wondered if rinsing everything through with IPA first to kill everything, then doing a water loop would work

brittle coral
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You can get everclear online loo

stark bough
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Don’t let people catch you with that. They’ll have you turn it into hand sanitizer

brittle coral
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we also have a bunch of that

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and i have a bottle of 12% peroxide i got before this happened as well

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we ironically keep stocked on most of that already, the hand sanitizer was the only hard one

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i did have to wait over a month for that bottle of everclear but that EOX stuff you can get on amazon for like 3x the price but it also is kinda sketchy cause theres no signature requirement either xD

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kids could order this.......

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its drinkable

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with dilution

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oh also, i know of a site that sells gallons for cheap if you're US based

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of 200 proof

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meant for "botanical extractions" which means you could use it for bitters or in cooking or to make hops, hemp, vanilla, lavendar ect extracts

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people just don't know how to source stuff like that because they normally never need to look

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I on the other hand actually make my own extractions wherever possible. nothing like home made vanilla extract

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but yea, hopefully i can get this loop clean

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i spent literally all day on it, gonna go sleep and then spend another day doing work on rig stuff xD

stark bough
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I have at least a gallon and a half of IPA in various concentrations

hushed bobcat
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Hey Faxon you see my post on BUS usage?

brittle coral
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yea

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i did

stark bough
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I use it for all purpose cleaning and OCD stuff

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Use it sometimes on my pre filters where they get really nasty

brittle coral
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but i also decided not to get the 1080 anyway because of cooling and power concerns, im hoping to get this 1060 for 130, if he doesnt bite maybe i'll see if the 1080 is still available and test it out since it sounds like it might still work okay maybe

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i really need to know how it is in a 4x slot for real but if you just raw divide the useage it sounds like it will be okay

stark bough
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I’ve been meaning to repaste my 1070 hybrid

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I’ll probably have to anyway if I remove the cooler to attach a pump cable

brittle coral
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i already emailed the guy with the 1060 or i'd text the one with the 1080 right away lol

stark bough
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Still on the fence on getting another hybrid for my next card

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The cable management is a pain, but man, those thermals

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you talking about x4 for folding?

brittle coral
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yea

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4x 3.o

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for a 1080

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i know a 1060 is okay

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but the 980ti and 1070 are both in x8 and using about 46%

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yea the 1070 uses 46%

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thats 90% if you double it to a 4x which is pushing up against limits for throttling potentially since a 1080 will probably use a little more

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the 1060 already sees about 86% on the 4x that its in now

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and the 1070 clearly uses more

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oh also, that rig has an 850w PSU going into it and i could link another one with it but i'd rather not

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so a 2060 and 2 1060s plus the CPU all running full tilt is decent distribution

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keeps the PSU in its sweet spot

hushed bobcat
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Hmm my 1080 Ti doesn't really use much more

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Overclock the PCI Express bus 😅

brittle coral
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lmfao

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idk, maybe it not as big of a deal as im thinking it is

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either way, the power concern is worth keeping in mind as well lol

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though i think it'd still be fine

stark bough
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Would have been interesting if you could put a pcie 3.0 x16 into a 4.0 x4 to run pcie 3.0 x8 lanes

brittle coral
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yea

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i actually looked for a riser that might let me

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didnt have much luck lol

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was real frustrating cause its like yea the bus has the bandwidth for what i want

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but like

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bro

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card only 3.0

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F

plucky quiver
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my office is cold in the morning but I just start folding to fix that

brittle coral
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speaking of F, all my slots are idle cept cpu =/

plucky quiver
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we don't normally heat the office because no one is there at night

brittle coral
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lol jelly, my room is now cold and im about to go to bed so its nbd cause i like it better cool when sleeping, just would be nice if it would kick up so its not to cold lol

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fair lol, why would you

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you generate heat being in the office as well

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so it heats up faster when you get there

plucky quiver
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also same my GPU hasn't picked up a job yet

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with my girlfriend and I working from home and once the sun hits the window it gets plenty warm

brittle coral
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well at least my navi got work

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so it wont be freezing in here now

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xD

wide raft
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is "Overall rank" only in the team or on the whole folding@home?

onyx canopy
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whole

rich depot
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On EOC?

wide raft
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eoc?

onyx canopy
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extreme overclocker

rich depot
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Yeah, all people(who are tracked on EOC, not everyone is)

onyx canopy
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the rank displayed on FAH is among all FAH users

wide raft
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stats.foldingathome -> Overall rank (if points are combined)

onyx canopy
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so yes

wide raft
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so?

onyx canopy
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whole

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as I said

wide raft
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okay

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Noice

onyx canopy
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whats your rank

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?

wide raft
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93,611

onyx canopy
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im 110468

rich depot
wide raft
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the higher the better right?

onyx canopy
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1 = 1st

rich depot
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^^

wide raft
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okay so the lower the better

rich depot
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Yep

onyx canopy
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whats Rank project ?

wide raft
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Nice thanks

onyx canopy
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never seen that before

rich depot
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Thats overall rank

onyx canopy
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Fah project

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dude

rich depot
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That's what it is called on EOC

onyx canopy
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1B710M ?

rich depot
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thats me

onyx canopy
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for how long have you been

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folding

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lol

rich depot
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It says on there the date I started...

onyx canopy
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end of may 2017

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bruh

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24/7 ?

rich depot
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Mostly

onyx canopy
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is it a dedicated machine ?

rich depot
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Yeah, FOLDATRON

onyx canopy
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older parts you dont know what to do with

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or

slate lake
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is it possible to fold on a raspberry pi?

rich depot
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It gets slowly updated, the 980 will be replaced with a 2060/2070 in the next couple months

onyx canopy
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not worth it

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@slate lake

slate lake
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;c

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not enough power?

onyx canopy
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you'd need tons of pis :P

rich depot
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Theres no ARM support for folding at present, there is BOINC support though

slate lake
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oic

onyx canopy
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no arm even

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didn't know that

wide raft
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i have a gtx 260 in my drawer 😂

rich depot
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But yeah bloom, you can see foldatron up there, its a 5960x, 16gb ram, 128gb ssd and those GPUs

wide raft
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lets goo

onyx canopy
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its a folding rig, which means you invested money only for this purpose, or do you actually use it for gaming ?

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or editing

rich depot
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Foldatron?

onyx canopy
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ye

rich depot
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Just folding, I have a gaming PC too

onyx canopy
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did you buy specific parts for it ?

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gpus/cpu

rich depot
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1700, 16gb dominator platinum, GTX 1080, ect.

onyx canopy
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or was it like "don't need this anymore lets put it in the foldatron"

rich depot
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Yeah, just sniping deals on ebay and the like

onyx canopy
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still a lot of money tho :o

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5960x

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good old 2011 beast

rich depot
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All bought for folding, the 1080 in foldatron is signed by the LMG team actually.

onyx canopy
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aren't you affiliated with floatplane actually ?

rich depot
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Nope

onyx canopy
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but your role says

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not sure what it says

rich depot
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I'm not affiliated with LMG nor floatplane in anyway, just a fellow forum user like most of you guys. I'm a subscriber on floatplane, that's all

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Thats foldatron

onyx canopy
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didn't know Pilot meant subscriber

rich depot
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It's just what they call us

onyx canopy
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floatplane

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PLANE

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pilot

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aaaaaaaa

rich depot
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Lol

onyx canopy
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haha

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are you getting full wus ?

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also how many points for LTT team

rich depot
onyx canopy
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lucky you

rich depot
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All of my points are for TeamLTT, minus about 500k that I fucked up on the team number with

onyx canopy
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when you started in 2017, was there an LTT team already?

rich depot
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I won it during the first folding month before I was team leader

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Yeah, TeamLTT has been a thing for a long time, it was whiskers who ran it before me, whaler before that

onyx canopy
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what do you mean before you

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whats a team leader ?

rich depot
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I'm the folding team leader on the forum, I am the one who runs the events and such

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Not a mod though, just want that to be clear

onyx canopy
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its almost the same to me

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you've gotten some recognition

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you should get a special role haha

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any offer from them ? 👀

rich depot
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A role on here?

onyx canopy
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or within floatplane

rich depot
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Nope

onyx canopy
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:(

rich depot
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There would be no reason to have a role in FP tbh

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I do have it noted on the forum though

onyx canopy
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nice

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that's something

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you're an early bird

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I mean

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I started watching Linus and luke in 2015

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but still you're like an early bird and an active member on FP and you started folding as you joined

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that's implication right there

rich depot
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I'm unsure what you mean tbh

onyx canopy
rich depot
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yeah

onyx canopy
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an early bird is like

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someone who's been there since the begining

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and you started folding some days after you joined FP

rich depot
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I jumped right on folding! did our first official folding event in conjunction with palespartan in 2018, been doing events since. Got awarded team leader in nov last year at the end of folding month

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You do know the forum and fp is different right?

onyx canopy
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Is it ?

rich depot
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yes...

onyx canopy
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of

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Fp is where you have the videos

rich depot
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Yes

onyx canopy
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for a moment I thought it was the same thing

rich depot
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I was also a FP OG, early bird as you like to say.

onyx canopy
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actually nothing about FP then

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you joined the forum and started folding

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but it existed way before 2017 iirc

rich depot
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that I did, oh how far I've come since then, cant wait to get this 980 replaced though!

onyx canopy
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yeah you will fold even more haha

rich depot
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My plan is to limit folding on my main system after that, as I am getting back into streaming and as such pausing and un pausing is a pain

onyx canopy
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I knew it would come !

rich depot
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I can't wait for the new beta client to drop on the public branch

onyx canopy
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the new client can't detect my gpu :I

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id = -1

rich depot
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Yeah thats normal...

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Wait,

onyx canopy
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no that's not haha

rich depot
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screenshot

onyx canopy
rich depot
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hmm...

onyx canopy
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whenever I click save

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gpu disapears

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:(

rich depot
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You only have one GPU?

onyx canopy
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yeah

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2070

rich depot
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Just set all three numbers to 0

onyx canopy
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i tried

rich depot
onyx canopy
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ye

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it wont accept

rich depot
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I have to do them manually on foldatron

onyx canopy
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i'll restart my computer

rich depot
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You got the most up to date drivers and the like?

onyx canopy
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ofc

rich depot
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Hmm...

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Uninstall, restart, clear any data manually, restart again, then reinstall would be the correct procedure

onyx canopy
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im updating my nvidia driver to 445.87 but its just a fix

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wasn't causing the issue

rich depot
slate lake
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BOINC is just like folding si?

onyx canopy
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I reinstalled client 7.5.1 and it works like it used to @rich depot

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the new client definitely has issues

rich depot
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Tweet them! or hit up the folding forum

slate lake
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:v

slate lake
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OOOH Microcenter also doing Folding@Home

craggy grove
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F

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apparently google killed off the API that allowed the chrome client for FAH

onyx canopy
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still no wu :(

hushed bobcat
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GPU1 is the 660 Ti, GPU2 is the 970

onyx canopy
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im gonna kms

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until now it was only

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now literallying IT DID NOT

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:(

onyx canopy
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1M6 pdd

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4h long for 208k credit

marble quartz
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so I made this

sinful walrus
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@marble quartz Nice!

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Sorry if this was asked and answered already, but is there a reason why the LTT F@H WU server has no WU?

smoky rose
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Rebooted 7 hours ago. OPENMM_22 jobs added to it. I'm sure it will receive wu soonish.

sinful walrus
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yah, i saw that, which is great! now if there was only a way to point the clients to specific hosts.

onyx canopy
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hitting 86°c on my 4790k @ 4.5 with 1.21v

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I've seen worse

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considering I haven't changed the paste in a while and it's cooled with an hyper 212evo

brittle coral
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so

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should i wait to install the new software?

onyx canopy
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I managed to update

brittle coral
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like until my WUs are all done

onyx canopy
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yeah finish your wus

brittle coral
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kk im gonna hit finish on all my slots

onyx canopy
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also my best tip : don't uninstall, install the new one directly

brittle coral
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yea

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duh

onyx canopy
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uninstalling didn't work for me

brittle coral
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my hope was to install right on over it

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to keep the WUs

onyx canopy
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gpu wouldn't show up or even be added manually

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#17560 in Ltt's team

brittle coral
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where am i sitting lol i wonder

onyx canopy
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2975

brittle coral
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omg

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xD

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so

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go to change 7 days

onyx canopy
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11635673

brittle coral
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im 2nd 😄

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49th for the week rn

onyx canopy
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where can I see that?

brittle coral
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sort

onyx canopy
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oh

brittle coral
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same as any other sort menu

onyx canopy
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I wasn't on this page

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I was on the main EOC page

brittle coral
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this page is far superior 😉

onyx canopy
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not the user list

brittle coral
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i tried doing that and it wouldn't let mes ort

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im pretty sure

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idk

onyx canopy
brittle coral
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i know one page wouldn't let me before

onyx canopy
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who is gordonbb

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he has many setups or what

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about to get +204k in 11min

brittle coral
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thats someone with a compute datacenter

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has to be

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7b in one day

onyx canopy
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11,311,535 in one day

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dk where you read 7B haha

brittle coral
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in the screen you linked lol

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24hr avg

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ooh

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thats a link for the whole team

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i thought you had linked him for some reason

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hahaha yea i clicked the image instead of the link and it just showed me the image for the whole team

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yea id say he has a lot of 1080ti and 2080ti or a mining farm of 1060s and 1070s or something

onyx canopy
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could be

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atleast two computers

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4x2080ti wouldn't produce 12M

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#16550 😎

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slowly grinding the ladder

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my first goal is 10M points

brittle coral
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lmao the new F@H installer is so new that microsoft thought it might be a virus

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soooo

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i installed in place

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over the old one

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i had a WU thats been notoriously slow

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didnt care if i lost it

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i installed it over, didnt lose the WU

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and the second i installed both of my slots that were idle got work

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😄

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it remembered all of it

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🙂

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slot options ectr

brittle coral
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is it just me or is this channel really dead tonight xD

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i woke up and was able to scroll up 2 screens to get back to the chat from when i went to bed to see what i missed 😛

stark bough
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WAN show keke

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I got new Screws for my rad mounts. Ordered them a while back cause I was concerned they were gonna get months of backlog

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theres a new client update? still having difficulty to get GPU WU's

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I'm planning on running my system in silent mode, 24 hour period folding gpu/cpu, buttoned up, no hepa, and see the temps and power consumption.

gaunt wasp
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When should we see the LTT folding at home shirts arrive?

brittle coral
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yup there is

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though the major benefit is that you now can filter for just covid19 which will technically reduce your WU pool

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im seeing how it is now

stark bough
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never getting above 80. 70 with 6 cores on wraith prism with Mx4 in a Define C

brittle coral
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is that vs stock paste?

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also is that at full load right now on the prism folding?

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seems way to big of a difference to be load XD

stark bough
#

rearranged my fans from push to pull for exhaust.

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6 core only. leaving 2 cores avaliable

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Mostly I was having hysteresis issues because case fan header was tied to cpu temps

gaunt wasp
#

No word on the LTT folding shirts?

brittle coral
#

nope @gaunt wasp no luck

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that ive heard, but i didnt get one lol

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i did find a bug in the new client

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it seems that in the web viewer if you change to covid-19 preference and then try to go back, it will bug out and when it refreshes its back to covid-19 again

pseudo abyss
#

Any way to make web interface not open when you start folding at home, and advanced starts instead
?

stark bough
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the web control is the core program iirc.

gaunt wasp
#

I’ll have to update my Mac’s client

dusky seal
#

might try to get all my systems up and running tomorrow, see how long it takes to hit 2m 😄

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try my best not to melt the outlet XD

worldly hazel
#

I tested servers with F@H LUL A usefull benchmark

dusky seal
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i have 4 r710s in my closet.... but im a bit worried about running them full blast on 2 outlets XD

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they aren't exactly known for "sipping" power

worldly hazel
#

Try enable max CPU clock in the power settings, so you can limit you CPU with a windows power plan, so it's not melting anything

dusky seal
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i am running on a hypervisor so i cant sadly

worldly hazel
#

oh, katieTilt Hypervisor

dusky seal
#

hey, i enjoy my hypervisor lol, makes my life easier

short horizon
#

Hi all new to folding but know quite a bit about leveraging gpu for things like AI for some reason my FAH client cant see my gpu could this be because of my CUDA etc setup for AI?

golden fulcrum
#

Nice work on reaching the milestone.
I just managed to get my Win10 for Workstations registered so I can keep tinkering. My Linux-fu sucks as I couldn't even get a simple driver to update on 18.04 LTS.

dusky seal
#

the systems weren't really originally meant to run fah lol, they are more for applications, game servers and dev environments

silver wing
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if you're lucky your bios might have cTDP option so you can limit CPU package power

dusky seal
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also... im a linux systems engineer... and know crap for windows lol, so i try to avoid using it at all cost

golden fulcrum
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hats off to those running (and tinkering with) Linux daily. I'm so far out of practice with CLI, that I'm starting to think I should just stay with Win10

dusky seal
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ive been using linux as my daily driver since ubuntu 8.04

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oh dear... that makes me sound a bit dated XD

worldly hazel
dusky seal
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wow my german is rusty

golden fulcrum
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Wish I had that kinda experience. I'm basically starting from scratch to run and install CUDA, OpenCL, Docker and a few other things and it's driving me NUTS. lol

silver wing
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I used to run 6.06 lol

dusky seal
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there should be some good tutorials other there

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@silver wing i was pretty young at that point lol, even when running 8.04 i was only 13 XD

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i think... lol

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somewhere around that age lol

worldly hazel
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Tipp #1: make always a backup of your config file ^^

golden fulcrum
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yeah, when the Linux desktop is running at 640x480 on a 3440x1440 screen (and every other machine is not near that workstation) it makes for a lot of back and forth + cursing etc.

dusky seal
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^

silver wing
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I don't run desktop linux now, gave up on it back then

dusky seal
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@worldly hazel knows whats up XD

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im still running it, only computer i have that isnt is my gaming machine

silver wing
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ubuntu server or centos and learn to love cli 🙂

dusky seal
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but... i still stick with vanilla gnome... ubuntu's stock desktops have been far from my taste for awhile

worldly hazel
#

Tipp #2: You can't move a Job between Slot types, CPU cant do a GPU task and vice versa.

dusky seal
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all of my servers run ubuntu or centos

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ive started to lean pretty heavily on centos though

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but i think thats because at work i mainly work with centos and redhat

silver wing
#

I find centos a bit annoying

dusky seal
#

has to be systemd or im good lol

worldly hazel
#

Centos behind a Proxy is puke

dusky seal
#

i dont have to deal with that much

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most of what i work on is only accessed on network

golden fulcrum
#

So I'm going back to the start, reading what I need to install, verify and run the required apps for starters.. test was to get it up to a condition to run Folding on Linux and auto set GPU fan / power levels on startup, then slowly look at rebuilding my NAS on it to recover all the data.

silver wing
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we use rhel at work but yea centos repo maintenance is not the most up to date lol

dusky seal
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we dont use much of their repos

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we just use centos core

silver wing
#

that's why at home I stick to ubuntu server

dusky seal
#

i have oddly come to like centos even as a desktop

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not sure why though lol

worldly hazel
#

I have REHL at work too, and its so easy to set the proxy there. Centos is more rooDerp

dusky seal
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yum can be a B

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rofl centos does it the same way lol

silver wing
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same thing 😉

worldly hazel
#

not with our install at work ^^

dusky seal
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at least centos 6+

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i dont like 6 much though, 7 is bae

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systemd or nothing

silver wing
#

there is one thing that still really annoys me with ubuntu now, Netplan

dusky seal
#

its okay.... ish

silver wing
#

trash documentation on teaming

dusky seal
#

better than nothing lol

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or well... thats not true XD

silver wing
#

for that there is none basically lol

dusky seal
#

oh i meant netplan was better than nothing XD

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but even then.... nothing might be better than netplan

silver wing
#

I still don't know wtf the proper name they use for alb-rr is

worldly hazel
#

I should Update my VMs on this machine, but I don't want to block my shitty internet with updates ...

silver wing
#

old way was fine argh

dusky seal
#

i should probs update all my vms on my servers at some point lol

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they are so far out of date is probs scary

silver wing
#

m8 we had a rhel 4 server at work

dusky seal
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didnt pull the last 5 security patches

worldly hazel
#

I bricked on of my VMs with an update, it dropped the network drivers..

dusky seal
#

time for some fun novnc sessions 😄

#

and manual file moving

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makes you hate network transfers a lot less

#

there are ways to recover them, but its a pain tbh....

#

we had a customer decide they wanted to manually tell centos to update.... which because we use custom packages for basically everything... it broke the WHOLE system

silver wing
#

haha

worldly hazel
#

I just booted the rescure image, pulled all files to a fresh server, and shreddered the old one

dusky seal
#

luckily the file system was still intact along with the kernal...

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everything else was kabash

silver wing
#

circular dependency loop of doom?

#

that

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thats always fun*

dusky seal
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had to manually load the iso and pull over each piece individually and then.... after that was done i got to play database recovery... fml

worldly hazel
#

katieHmm the new F@H client is better at getting WUs, at least it seems so

dusky seal
#

if anyone ever asks if you can help them recover a damaged postgres database... tell them no

worldly hazel
#

^

dusky seal
#

its a trap

worldly hazel
#

Or, No backup, no mercy

silver wing
#

that could be the update to the AS servers

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they are running 4.1.11 now, was 4.1.9

dusky seal
#

well when you have databases that take up a few hundred gigs and loosing just 1 day from the database means they are in deep crap due to pci compliance...

worldly hazel
#

pci compliance...
@dusky seal ???

silver wing
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lol we run db backups every 30 mins

dusky seal
#

if your boss says they paid for the work... there are no sunshine's and rainbows for you for the next few days...

#

these systems couldnt

#

they are way to big

#

some of the clusters ive designed and put in places take up 20-30 servers

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the whole system would grind to a halt due to the lack of io

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... we had a customer try and find out the hard way

silver wing
#

get better backend storage that supports hardware array snapshots with db engine integration 🙂

worldly hazel
#

my update scripts always do a backup, then update ...

dusky seal
#

i just design the systems lol, i dont design their infrastructure

silver wing
#

lol

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We use Netapp for our database storage, postgre + mysql NFS and MSSQL iSCSI

dusky seal
#

also... when you tell a company the server is gonna take up 20tb... and if they want the snapshots they are looking at 15tb per and they want 3 of them... the snapshots tend to kinda go poof out of their heads lol

#

not my problem, i just take what they want and design the systems and clusters how they want

silver wing
#

Netapp snaps are change block so nice and small, unless your data change rate is high

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database restores are a bitch lol

dusky seal
#

well i work with call recording servers... so if you have a call center with 100+ agents... the data change rate is pretty dam high lol

worldly hazel
#

^^

silver wing
#

ah yea ours offloads the main data to network share so it's just metadata in the db

worldly hazel
#

📈

dusky seal
#

gets even worse when you have them with multiple locations and have 1000+ devices to record

worldly hazel
#

the storage needed going ^

silver wing
#

so screen recordings and voice recordings are external

dusky seal
#

we do the screen and voice on local servers they provide

#

but we create/design the system for them

#

we are a vmware persons nightmare

#

you wanted to run another vm on this hypervisor? lol you're cute

silver wing
#

was funny when they upgrade the call center computers to multiple high res monitors

worldly hazel
#

Nested VMs katieTilt

silver wing
#

data usage explosion

dusky seal
#

were going to nab allllll that network bandwidth, all the cycles and all the io 😄

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because our devs apparently only know java

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becomes even more fun when they want speech rec XD

worldly hazel
#

OMEGALUL Java

silver wing
#

java, yek

dusky seal
#

hey... i dont do the base code lol, if it were up to me java would have died in a pit years ago

silver wing
#

java is like great but so terrible

dusky seal
#

once you get into large scale apps... java is horrific

silver wing
#

time to start again

dusky seal
#

its lack of efficency and proper multi threading makes it really bad for large scale apps

silver wing
#

we have a few but there is hardly any real replacement for it

worldly hazel
#

python/c# is better #changemymind

dusky seal
#

dont make me barf

onyx canopy
#

c++ all the way

dusky seal
#

^

onyx canopy
#

but its slow

#

I mean

#

very long

#

but very efficient

silver wing
#

not unless you completely redesign and re-architect the entire app to use web technologies

dusky seal
#

sadly node would be pretty bad at processing calls from pcap to mp3 lol

silver wing
#

so java sits there being crap and have no good alternative

onyx canopy
#

you could still have a c++ back end and javascript interface

dusky seal
#

the web interface though i greatly wish was in html5

worldly hazel
onyx canopy
#

I mean html+js

silver wing
#

c++ doesn't replace the portability of java though

worldly hazel
#

eguySip python c#

silver wing
#

that's why devs still use that crap

dusky seal
#

this app is anything but portable XD

worldly hazel
dusky seal
#

so i dont get why they dont just build it in something more sensible

onyx canopy
#

you can do some script to make c++ portable

silver wing
#

our entire student management system is java, such a nightmare

onyx canopy
#

but it's longer to write again

dusky seal
#

at least its not in cobl

#

or vb

silver wing
#

it has something like 300 vms to run it, prod/dev/test etc

worldly hazel
#

VB/VBA †__ WutFace

short horizon
#

for others info a full off and restart fixed my gpu issue

silver wing
#

and the db for it is about 2TB-3TB

onyx canopy
#

hope you don't pay too much for your servers

dusky seal
#

linux you have to reboot for that stuff to take effect

#

it runs with direct integration to the kernal

worldly hazel
#

rooCry my folding emote is gone

silver wing
#

ITS is 209 FTE currently

#

we have a lot of waste 😉

dusky seal
#

is there no ltt folding emote?

silver wing
#

servers as way down on that list lol

dusky seal
#

well im off to bed finally... might as well pass out before the sun comes up

#

have a great night everyone!

silver wing
#

our call center storage grows by 1TB a month btw

dusky seal
#

sound about right

silver wing
#

ours is only like 30 stations though

worldly hazel
#

gn @dusky seal

dusky seal
#

i will pop off with a da fuq? @silver wing because that is insanely high for 30 stations and you should have that looked at XD

silver wing
#

i know lol

dusky seal
#

but from there im going to bed!

silver wing
#

bye

#

it's the screen res, stupid Cisco Info Center

dusky seal
#

you dont need the high rez, and you only need about 5fps

#

dammit... stop dragging me back in lol

silver wing
#

each click takes a screen shot

#

and full screen res, that needs changing

dusky seal
#

downscale, compress

silver wing
#

^

dusky seal
#

tarball those suckers XD

worldly hazel
#

xD

silver wing
#

anyway, go away like you said 😉

#

🙂

worldly hazel
#

rude

silver wing
#

lol

dusky seal
#

im going, im going 😂

#

needs her beauty sleep

worldly hazel
#

i9 chilling at 3.8GHz while folding ...

silver wing
#

hedt or 9900k?

worldly hazel
#

9900K

#

locked via windows power settings.

silver wing
#

barely running (physical action) 🙂

#

what's the est PPD for it at that?

worldly hazel
#

que?

silver wing
#

estimated points per day

worldly hazel
#

oh

silver wing
#

cpu slot should say what it is

worldly hazel
silver wing
#

damn that is still really good

worldly hazel
#

I just locked it so my AIO doesn't ramp up

silver wing
#

10k per cpu core is like something I aim for on old archs

#

9900k barely of base freq just doing it plus tiny bit more

worldly hazel
#

I want to get my old pc up and folding i7-3770K stock, and 780Ti, but I'm afraid of the power bill then

silver wing
#

I folded the 2 week event on 2x 290X, thoroughly burned a ton of electrons

#

right now they are running Einstein@Home and for what ever reason the gpu load is kind bursty so I get pulsing coil whine

worldly hazel
silver wing
worldly hazel
#

well f@h is better at that

silver wing
#

yep

#

I notice constant whine way less than pulse pulse pulse

worldly hazel
#

but it drops periodically when it gets a new chuck of data

silver wing
#

you going to join in on the BOINC pentathlon?

worldly hazel
#

I don't think so...

silver wing
#

it's a team vs team event

worldly hazel
#

loading Site is loading with my stone age intnert

#

nope

silver wing
#

marathon event is usually a CPU one so you can leave GPUs folding for FAH

worldly hazel
#

I loose so many points until WUs down or uploaded

silver wing
#

56k dailup?

worldly hazel
#

feels like it

silver wing
#

IPoAC?

worldly hazel
#

ADSL 16K

silver wing
#

IP over Avian Carriers (IPoAC) 🤣

worldly hazel
#

oh I heard about it, Pigons with SD cards

#

well It would be an option for large downloads ...

#

I kinda do it this way

#

Large updates I download it with my laptop somewhere else and inject it into my gigabit lan here

silver wing
#

I really do not miss adsl

#

even when it was the best we could get it was still actually not good

worldly hazel
#

Best I ever achieved here was 1,8MB/s downstream

silver wing
#

you're not stuck on the horrors of the NBN are you?

worldly hazel
#

Was so happy when Windows enabled Windows update distribution via LAN.

#

I don't think so.

#

German Internet is bad ...

silver wing
#

Aus wants a word about that 🙂

#

only a joke you'd get if you were Aus or NZ though

worldly hazel
#

Well its expensive af and slow af

#

70€/mo for ADSL 16K ...

silver wing
#

yea that is worse, Aus is $60AUD/m unlimited data

worldly hazel
#

well it's unlimited data for land line, but mobile ... unlimited data 4G+ is 90+€/mo

silver wing
#

here it's $70NZD/m VDSL2 70/10

#

but vdsl is only in small towns, everywhere else is fibre now

worldly hazel
#

Well I got a promising response to my enquiry to the city for fiber, lets see whats going to happen...

#

2012 they said 2015 is fibre
2015 they said 2017 is fibre
2016 they put in the pipes in
2017 nothing happened
2019 they put ads out, for Fibre ...
2020 katieShrug

silver wing
worldly hazel
#

well need to go to the grocery store pedalo

pseudo abyss
#

Anyone know if its possible for Folding at home to not open up web control when I start it?

#

And if also possible open up advanced control instead? (rather than having yo do the right click then advanced control)

silver wing
#

remove --open-web-control from the shortcut

#

C:\users[username]\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\FAHClient

#

Default is

#

"C:\Program Files (x86)\FAHClient\HideConsole.exe" "C:\Program Files (x86)\FAHClient\FAHClient.exe" --open-web-control

brittle coral
#

hey guys what i miss

silver wing
#

so you can remove the first part and the last part and advance control should open

brittle coral
#

was gone an hour making myself a steak for dinner lol

silver wing
#

instead of silent + web control

#

and where is ours?

brittle coral
#

if i could i would

#

i havent even been able to get good beef for a month

#

whole foods has either been totally out or wasnt able to cut steaks because they were understaffed

#

then today when i went out for groceries they had some of the best beef ive seen in a while, ribeye bone in was near prime 😄

#

just waiting on RAM and 2060 for tmrw so i can install them and get my 3rd folder up

#

and i ordered a 1060 on ebay today cause CL kept screwing me and a lowballer finally showed up there

#

my back is spent i basically spent the bulk of the last 2 days working on rigs. my left arm is also injured in 3 places xD

#

rotator cuff, pec, and bicep are all strained in some way now, but at least im staying active

#

back hates me too but thats life without massage therapy cause it requires no social distancing

#

was my primary means of long term pain management besides meds lol

pseudo abyss
#

Now web control does not open, thanks

onyx canopy
#

right click on it

brittle coral
#

thats what he wanted lol

#

he wanted it to not open on boot

#

im gonna go do the same thing

#

i have firefox set to load on boot and restore tabs already

pseudo abyss
#

Advanced dont open automatically but its the next best thing

odd barn
#

@silver wing Super jealous. That price would only get us 1000/30 ;p

pseudo abyss
#

btw, the national news things here mentioned folding@home

#

(Think the Norwegian BBC sort of)

silver wing
#

@pseudo abyss To get the advanced control to open you should be able to do that with a batch script that runs:

#

"C:\Program Files (x86)\FAHClient\HideConsole.exe" "C:\Program Files (x86)\FAHClient\FAHClient.exe"
"C:\Program Files (x86)\FAHClient\FAHControl.exe"

#

Replace the desktop shortcut and start menu shortcut to run the batch script instead

#

why isn't chrome picking up that it's a different language and giving me the translate option

#

"At the time of writing, Hardware.no is in fifth place over the best teams, while war is in third place, where the list is topped by all users who have not registered."

pseudo abyss
#

Its mentioning them because they are Norwegian (As I am but I am folding for LTT)

silver wing
#

I just like how in the previous article they talked about how they were in 4th 🙂

#

now 5th, wonder who that was linusPerfect

pseudo abyss
#

😄

#

War was setting up a folding work/WU delivery server too, dont know the status of it but they were trying to

brittle coral
#

whoops xD

#

also, im shooting for top 10 on the team by this time next week 😛

#

based on 1wk

#

at least top 10, top 10 by the week after when the last 1060 gets here

#

er top 20 at least

silver wing
#

you do know how high the bar is on the top 30 is right?

rich depot
#

High

#

Its damn high is the answer

silver wing
#

I'm #30 - 577,669,229

#

You are currently 2,750 - 12,518,572

#

You need 565150657 more points

#

so 18.8 million PPD for 30 days 🙂

rich depot
#

We talking folding here right?

silver wing
#

yea

rich depot
#

Just making sure lol

silver wing
#

well I'm pretty sure lol

rich depot
#

Good to hear you are mostly sure

silver wing
#

I've moved everything to boinc now so my PPD is 0 so passing me is a possbility

rich depot
#

I've not made any switch, will get the CPUs up on BOINC in the next few days I think

silver wing
#

I may not have the beafy servers during the event though sadly

#

the researchers who were using them have started coming back out of the woodwork

rich depot
#

Really need an el cheapo cooler for the 5960x but meh, hard to buy things atm and I have little knowledge re cheap coolers

silver wing
#

you had a 212 evo right?

rich depot
#

Yeah, just doesn't cut it when folding/BOINC on the thing

brittle coral
#

@silver wing i was talking about PPD/PPW not all time

#

i made that clear i thought xD

silver wing
#

only thing I can think of worth spending money on is noct D15 or D15S otherwise it'll have to be an AIO

#

@brittle coral you thought I actually read it properly lol 🙂

brittle coral
#

xD

#

yea the goal is just to be a top active contributor, that's the bar

#

all time comes later 😛

#

flex hard enough other people will try to push it further

stark bough
#

DRP4, D15, or even u14s dual fan

silver wing
#

top 20 outside of a folding event is nicely achievable at least

brittle coral
#

when i was doing BOINC stuff for anandtech there was this one guy who would blow $2000 every time i upgraded just to make sure he stayed ahead of me, within 1 week of me upgrading he'd have new stuff without fail xD

#

massive overkill but then he'd slack off and i'd catch up

silver wing
#

u14s I don't think is worth the money upgrade wise from a 212

stark bough
#

Fold long enough and youll start considering thermals and noise just as important imho

rich depot
#

Just seen a killer deal on a new masterliquid lite 240...

brittle coral
#

yea if youre gonna get a noctua cooler just go d15 or bust

silver wing
#

for something like that a fan swap makes more sense

brittle coral
#

its one of their oldest diehard units

#

with that said i put my money in LC gear

silver wing
#

212 evo with better fans is close enough to the u14s

brittle coral
#

want me to let you know how the latest one performs tmrw?

#

with a 4000rpm fan

#

xD

#

i put it in pull

stark bough
#

Get a a12x25 for an upgrade path 😄

brittle coral
#

it wont fit with the ram where it is in pull

#

my upgrade path from my current liquid cooling is either a chiller

silver wing
#

that's only a 1.6a fan

brittle coral
#

or a 480x480 window unit

#

XD

silver wing
stark bough
#

Id love to find a way to schedule my folding with solar production

rich depot
#

Scripting it wouldn't be that hard I recon

silver wing
#

if you have an enphase or networked inverter then should be easy enough

brittle coral
#

lol goddamn 3 amp fan

#

where'd i put mine lemme check it again

#

yea 1.3a

silver wing
#

3.3A 🙂

brittle coral
#

12v

#

this is what im using

#

i yanked 2 out of a 36mh bitcoin miner from 1st gen of ASIC

#

delta fans are solid for sure but that thing probably sounds like a jet

#

this one already sounds like a turbine spinning up

stark bough
#

I dont think its currently accessible locally, onlycloud.

brittle coral
#

it actually takes several seconds to hit full speed

stark bough
#

Might do it through my smart meter though

silver wing
#

what do you have?

stark bough
#

Steady days are nice enough but those cloudy ones

#

Basically ramp up during those green portions

silver wing
#

I just use timers and rely on law of averages

stark bough
#

Im disappointed F@H as of yet doesnt let you schedule folding

#

In he base clien

silver wing
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some days output is low but i cbf trying to get too fancy

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use task scheduler and fahclient.exe commands

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fahclient.exe --send-pause

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etc

worldly hazel
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Does somebody know if BattlEye is allergic to F@H?

brittle coral
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idk why it would be

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it doesn't do any kind of activity that cheating programs might also do lol it just uses processing power

worldly hazel
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well it is also allergic to
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015
NetLimiter4
...

brittle coral
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lol wow

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i'd have been less surprised if it was your antivirus or something

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and really why visual studio xD

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that's like one of the most common creative apps for it's field

worldly hazel
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Well it fights with the Antivirus ... since it wants to access process data of it

brittle coral
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netlimiter4 isnt surprisng though

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people use it as a cheat program

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thats a no brainer

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net limiting is like the most common kind of cheat after hitbox modification xd

worldly hazel
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or damage mod

brittle coral
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one of the games i play used it for a while but idk if it still does

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ive never seen a damage mod in the wild for any game lol

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hitbox and net limiting is ubiquitous lol

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they use one to conceal the other sometimes

worldly hazel
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I saw damage mods ... when a bullet only makes 0,001% damage ...

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you need alot of bullets to kill someone

onyx canopy
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wot

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guys

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I have a wu

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which might be broken

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cause it s making my pc reboot

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like an impossible caculation

slate lake
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delete it?

onyx canopy
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I did

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there is a possibility that it's stressing way more my gpu than it used to, making my psu restart

hexed junco
onyx canopy
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estimated

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895 ?

hexed junco
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yes for this one work unit

onyx canopy
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you're going medium power

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why not full

hexed junco
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Thats why.

onyx canopy
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I mean

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same with full power

rich depot
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@hexed junco Welcome to the team!

hexed junco
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yay

onyx canopy
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full power will go to 100% instead of 90

hexed junco
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ok fine full power it is but if i crash dont tell me i didnt warn you.

onyx canopy
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I hope you have a good enough psu :p

mild kiln
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PSU

hexed junco
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hang on

onyx canopy
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yeah

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even if its bronze, 850 gives a lot of room anyway

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unless you have crossfire of r9 390x

hexed junco
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um, I have a Titan...

onyx canopy
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its ok

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one card?

hexed junco
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RTX

onyx canopy
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yeah its fine

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850 is overkill

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but its good

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better overkilling than being close to the limit

hexed junco
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yes, I was on a fixed budget, the 850W was for upgrade headroom.

onyx canopy
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upgrade from titan rtx

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lol

hexed junco
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lol

onyx canopy
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btw why titan and not 2080ti ?

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I mean, still the titan is like 5% better but i'd rather save money and buy a second 2080ti later

hexed junco
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because, I did the math buying 2 2080’s in some cases is more expensive than buying 1 titan.

onyx canopy
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ofc its better to have one single good gpu

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but 2080ti's is like very close to the titan

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yet it costs way less

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one card I mean

hexed junco
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Yes especially with their new 16gbps speed cards... unfortunately those came out like yesterday, I bought this in like November of last year.

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lol technically I bought this system last decade.

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Unfortunately I cant predict the future.

onyx canopy
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hah

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I don't want to mess up with you

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but here is what i'm talking about

hexed junco
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weird

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because on the box it says "(copyright symbol)2015

onyx canopy
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that's why I said "yeah the titan is slightly faster than the 2080ti but still the 2080ti is like way less expensive"

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but then its not a titan RTX

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it might be a Titan XP

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or Titan Pascal

hexed junco
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nope

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nevermind i just cant read

onyx canopy
hexed junco
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it says C 2018

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I just cant read apperently

onyx canopy
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so then you had the choice to buy a 2080ti at the time

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yet you choose the titan

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which is the best single gpu on the market for sure

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but then is it worth the price difference with the 2080ti ? :D

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for 5% perf

hexed junco
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I mean if were talking upgradeability i cant go past 2 2080's

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not enough expansion slots

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lol

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but thats besides the point, i actually dont know what point oh wait, this wasnt custom built, i have a much higher chance of something getting damaged during shipping if i buy 2 of something, especially if they are shipped together.

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(most of this was bought together on amazon but i bought the Titan from Best Buy because of what the warranty i got entails.

onyx canopy
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you still haven't answered my question correctly haha

glass path
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ehhhhhhh

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what the hell

onyx canopy
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PLEASE_WAIT

hexed junco
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lol