So what your saying is that, they aren't just licenses they can also be contracts, guaranteeing service?
#networking
unborn sluice
It makes sense in enterprise
Where downtime means yeeting your revenue
I just love this model
I can use the software
I can play with it, big companies pay for it
Such great synergy
native cradle
But to play with the cool software, you need the hardware and if you don't have the hardware you need to buy the hardware, and to buy the hardware you have to have money laying around.
me is poor
unborn sluice
No mercy
Unless you're talking about pfsense
You could even use an old pc lying around
Be resourceful
native cradle
I wanna try opnsense
wonder what happens if i put it in a docker container
though i already have a (UBNT) USG,
unborn sluice
I mean you don't need to use full blown dual xeons just to try it out
You're not in homelab
Come at me gatekeeping homelabbers
native cradle
define homelabber
"People who set up an over the top, real worldish networking setup in their home"
unborn sluice
Someone who does homelab
native cradle
well define homelab
I have a rubbish Optiplex running 24/7 it runs PiHole, a file thing idk what to call it, unifi controller etc in containers
unborn sluice
You don't need phoenix electricity sucking machines
native cradle
am i homelab
unborn sluice
As long as you meet the minimum requirements
native cradle
im basically homelab
unborn sluice
Sometimes even lower
Might be an overkill just for pinhole tbh
How many devices is even using it
🤔
Even a mobile chip can do pihole
unborn sluice
Unless you have 2gb ram
native cradle
I had 6gb cause I stole my mums ram but then I gave it back and some more so I only have 2gb
KEK
well i also ran a bunch of minecraft servers
and had a pterodactyl panel running
unborn sluice
If it isn't dynamically assigned it's not fun
native cradle
it is manually assigned 😦
It came with a Pentium but I put a C2Q in it. The Optiplex was like $90 AUD and it is a SFF one.
native cradle
No thats the whole node
unborn sluice
I need to make sure
native cradle
no vms
unborn sluice
Uhh what
native cradle
why did i set my Portainer password to okboomer
im weird
this is all that i have running
tame carbon
both of those were previous passwords of US president lol
tame carbon
both times his twitter got hijacked
native cradle
Your calling yourself old but you have an anime pfp
tame carbon
Wow really?
unborn sluice
Ah yes discord broke
native cradle
lol
unborn sluice
Someone sent a message from 1970
unborn sluice
native cradle
OMG
unborn sluice
What is this
tame carbon
lol fuck, imagine your name not being PG-13
unborn sluice
Security breaches still is
tame carbon
@unborn sluice do you know what newspeak is?
unborn sluice
No
tame carbon
a controlled language of simplified grammar and restricted vocabulary designed to limit the individual's ability to think and articulate "subversive" concepts such as personal identity, self-expression and free will.
From George Orwell's book: 1984
1984 also gave us words such as thinkpol
thought police
like @stable ice
native cradle
i have been wondering what this was
the other day i realized it is the washing machine 🤣
wait
wait
wtf
the highlighted devices are connected via wifi
but they are listed as connected through lan or some other ap i don't know about
uh oh
uhhh
native cradle
ok there are no other nearby wifi networks so it must just be a bug
i was thinking maybe i accidently had some other ap up when testing and messing about but no
tame carbon
@native cradle those three devices sit on the same interface as your mums pc
south flame
Hii
I am making a multiplayer online game with my friends. I want to ask you about online game server for hosting. Can anyone suggest ot tell names of some servers pls .
untold folio
bruh belle delphine was on chad's and maxmoefoe's podcast
ok this is actually huge going to put it to listen
tame carbon
@south flame Digital Ocean and Linode offer affordable hosting in many countries
for dedicated machines, I always look towards OVH
OVH provides servers with high clockspeed, and DDoS filtering for many common games
Though these are rather expensive
south flame
thanks a lot @tame carbon
tame carbon
beast. I managed to help someone reinstall along his linux, for dual boot
first time that secure boot wasnt a total dick
wanton dagger
why do i get packet loss but only when i play fortnite specificly
arctic hedge
should i up my internet from 100 gbps for 400 gbps?
pale ridge
Do you get packet loss to Fortnite or in general?
clear igloo
If you're getting the option for 400Gbps internet and not 400Mbps I want to know where you live
pale ridge
I am not even certain ISP sell 400G internet connections
there is 0 chance in aus
i have seen 100G internet ports
Also I have not seen a consumer grade 100G option let alone a 400G
Cisco 400G QSFP-DD they do make one just 20k for a cisco one or 5k for a generic
you would also need a suitable spec device to plug it into
Nexus 9316D-GX they are only like 100k
@arctic hedge totally man best 100k you will spend
clear igloo
9316D-GX are like $30k depending on where you source it from
pale ridge
list? USD?
clear igloo
USD, yes
pale ridge
aus my bad
clear igloo
Ah, rip
native cradle
@tame carbon OVH by far has the best pricing if you just need a plain jane VPS or Dedi. They have rubbish websites that are slow and you get redirected between 10 different websites with different designs and domains and the TOS will be in French but they are really cheap for the performance. All the other bigger cloud hosts are for app/software development with specific features to make app/software development much easier and you pay hourly so they are more cost effective in SOME cases.
On Google Cloud you will pay $26/month for what costs $7/month on OVH.
waxen scroll
@hollow marlin hello. I would like to advertise bgp over my dsl line to you. Please respond????
hollow marlin
Let me guess you also need full tables on your single homed connection?
waxen scroll
Please
My pfsense can take it. Also what's an AS number? Is that important?
Can't I just run it without that?
This pfsense guide has 65000. Can't you just let me use that? What do I even pay you for
hollow marlin
Sorry Im going to need that in 4byte ASN. Once you set it Ill advertise it to the public
pale ridge
not certain if this is a Joke or not!
You are going to run into MTU size issues for a start
hollow marlin
Its definitely a joke. MTU would not be an issue
pale ridge
if there is a miss match or a less MTU in the path it would be
unless you enabled mss
hollow marlin
Thats all handled in the TCP handshake
pale ridge
it is not
hollow marlin
MSS most definitely is
waxen scroll
It's just a prank, bro
hollow marlin
waxen scroll
im always taking it too far with @hollow marlin
i tell him about very hard problems and see if he solves it
pale ridge
I am always up for a good problem
🙂
I ran into massive issues with Jumbo frames and BGP when doing a DC mirgation
turned out a link we paid for which had jumbo enabled and paid for did not support jumbo
causing BGP to failover it
was a nightmare
waxen scroll
i have a new problem today @hollow marlin
someone blew up two sites, backed out months ago and want me to look at it
figure out why
with no logs from the night
@pale ridge what size company u do networking at
hollow marlin
@waxen scroll how'd they manage to break the sites?
waxen scroll
site A has one router w/ BGP to WAN and a LAN core with two circuits to site B which has dual router to WAN and the same core
if site A WAN goes down it takes the LAN path to site B's edge and exits there
so they were migrating to new cores in the LAN and as soon as they moved the circuits on A site with the A wan down, both sites died
so the question, without logs to view, is how/why
i think i found why but i have to lab to verify because theres a hole in the logic
on the core they do "default info orig" on the ospf process
on the BGP process they import OSPF's routes
i suspect the B side got a default with a low as-hop for that reason and selected it.... but notice how i didnt say "always" was in the command
if the WAN was down, where did the default that was advertised across come from
that redist is on the new equipment
the old equipment doesnt have that
if it did, i would suspect issues
a-sync routing
hollow marlin
If the B WAN was not taken down I am curious if they are using defaults for the eBGP peer?
waxen scroll
the core has an eBGP default because the router at the site is a different as
but the as path is like 8 long
if site A injected a route from OSPF the path is 1 at site B core
@pale ridge see? hard discussion. dont get me started on control plane policing
hollow marlin
Well BGP shouldn't redis the default from OSPF without itself having default-originate set. Just curious what took preference and took the WAN peering down
waxen scroll
hm you're right. ill have to look again... they have to be sending it at some point cause its a backup path
i dont wanna login to work right now tho
wanton dagger
why do i get packet loss but only in fortnite, nothing else
pale ridge
@waxen scroll only a small one 5k staff
wanton dagger
@unborn sluice y
unborn sluice
Y not
peak cloak
how are you measuring packet loss?
pale ridge
the last company I worked for had 50k staff
waxen scroll
last company i worked had 300k
new company is probably more like 8k but the network isnt less complex
pale ridge
do you have a diagram of the issue? sorry visual learn
wanton dagger
@peak cloak there is an ingame thing that says and also i used some site called packetlosstest.com BUT i dont get it when i use ping google.com in cmd
idk i might sound like an idiot
peak cloak
are you using wifi? and what internet medium is it? (DSL, Cable, Fiber)?
waxen scroll
yeah top 30 i think
the bulk of that network was copy paste since most of the locations were small
wanton dagger
facts
peak cloak
@topaz quarry he said it shows on this site http://packetlosstest.com
peak cloak
what's your internet speed?
unborn sluice
The website looks legit ngl
peak cloak
isn't ping a bad indicator
unborn sluice
more legit than ookla
hollow marlin
Pinging a DNS server is still not reliable though. The problem is 10,000s of servers are pinging and some will get dropped just do to state tables
pale ridge
Cisco website seems like it is still mid redesign tbh
pale ridge
out of interest has anyone here has a proper look at SDN in the DC?
like an ACI type setup
or Cumulus Linux?
tame carbon
wat
@native cradle I was in the beta program for OVH gameservers
back in 2014
first affordable servers that came on the market, with layer 7 filtering for minecraft
finally, be able to dodge DDoS attacks from skids who got banned
native cradle
nice
tame carbon
@native cradle they also do that ghetto hosting
Kimsufi
but Kimsufi sucks
I've had hardware issues on two occassions
and time to fix, is bad
they don't offer RAID, only SW raid
jaunty talon
I guess you get what you pay for with kimsufi :D
Since it's/was owned by OVH and sells their lowtier servers!
jaunty talon
last-last-last-last-gen ;)
tame carbon
@jaunty talon affordable xeon hosting, now with DDR2
little schooner
@native cradle I recommend engenius
It works without buggy updates breaking it like unifi
vital glen
what is 'best' hw or sw firewall ?
waxen saddle
TrilleX, Depends on your use-case.
vital glen
surfing on the web, gaming, running pms
peak cloak
@vital glen look what I said, also why do you need a dedicated firewall?
vital glen
so my pc isnt open to internet
waxen saddle
I’m not sure what pms is, but you are probably fine with the firewall on your current router. Do you have a router?
peak cloak
um, don't you have a router?
peak cloak
then you already have a firewall that's blocking all requests from WAN -> LAN
plus NAT
so in order for something to reach you internal network you need to port forward
vital glen
know that, but gonna replace it, gonna throw it away
vital glen
i know, but this router cant handle 10G
waxen saddle
Whoah
vital glen
not yet, but i have ordet it
peak cloak
then either your ISP provides a router or you need something like this https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_rm
that already runs routerOS which has a firewall
although that router only has 1 10gig port, not one out
vital glen
dont like ISP router ^^
peak cloak
10 gig is expensive
also I wouldn't myself reccomend 10 gig
just for internal networks
vital glen
i will pay about 40 dollars per month
peak cloak
yeah, but you will bascially never use that whole connection
vital glen
maybe not
peak cloak
vital glen
have seen it
peak cloak
the equipment needed to get 10 gig is expensive
you may be oaying 40/month, but you need to buy an expensive router with maybe a switch, and 10gig NIC's for PC, AND run new cabling if not CAT6a already or fiber
vital glen
yes, but i only need a switch with 10 ports so maybe it will be less expensive
have cat 7
peak cloak
not a TIA standard, but ok
a 4 10gigabit port switch is 149 bucks
plus using 10 gig over copper is expensive
more than using sfp+ fiber
peak cloak
yeah, ik, it's possible just expensive
vital glen
yeah, dint wanna rewire if i dont have to
peak cloak
a 10G sfp transveiver is 76 bucks
and it's only over 80 meters
this has 2 10G ports
vital glen
The main reason why I switch to 10G is because it is cheaper than my current ISP. To ISP with 10G in their own Fiber network instead of sitting on a so-called Fiber city network
vital glen
yes, but it cost more then 10G
peak cloak
that makes no sense, but ok
yeah, I would not spend the money to make my LAN network 10G
vital glen
the ISP with 10G is with there own fiber network. the ISP i have now is on city fiber network. that the ISP is paying a fee to gaun access to the city fiber network instead of uses its own network
i live in Sweden, maybe it will make some sense
so ISP own fiber cost less and can give more speed then to use ISP over the city fiber network
because the ISP have to pay a fee to the city that own the city fiber network.
native cradle
@native cradle I recommend engenius
@little schooner Seems like something hard to buy in Australia.
vital glen
1000/500 costs around $55 over the City Fiber
10G/10G costs around $40 with ISP own fiber
the priceing is from the same ISP
so bying a cheap 10G firewall or just take my old pc "over powerfull" for that end, and buy a 10G nic with PfSenae
hollow marlin
The cheapest route is Mikrotik 4011 with a CRS and set it up as a ROAS. Pfsense will get you 6-8gbps at best without specific NICs and heavy tweaking. Personally Id just get 4011 and call it a day. 10G WAN is not worth the hassle
waxen saddle
@hollow marlin Quick question because your name came up in a discussion last night. What do you know about the Windows 10 TCP stack that because it is so bad, that offering to have someone look in to VNC to remote in to a computer is an absolutely terrible idea.
tame carbon
10G equipment isnt that expensive
ahhh
@hollow marlin my savior
I was just about to suggest the RB4011
Though, for 10/10 uplink
I would use something beefier
peak cloak
yeah, that was the first thing I suggested
tame carbon
because the RB4011 only has a single 10G port
tame carbon
and even if you use a switch
peak cloak
but still
tame carbon
you still limit yourself
peak cloak
the cheapest mikrotik router with 2x sfp+ is 1095 bucks
peak cloak
huh
tame carbon
Brand spanking new
peak cloak
I used sfp+ filters
tame carbon
@peak cloak its a new router of theirs
peak cloak
he said he wanted to do 10gig over copper though
peak cloak
yeah ik
tame carbon
I mean
you still end up using SFP+
you can plug copper or fiber into that
but fiber is just cheaper
peak cloak
yeah
tame carbon
@vital glen https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310468657777999874/725362847411863612/20200624_151216.jpg
peak cloak
that's amazing for that price
tame carbon
Here's my RB4011 with fiber
@peak cloak lol I bought a 1U tray for that
used zipties to secure the media converter
xD
couldnt just pile up the fiber on the ground
I think I paid like 8 bucks for the fiber
and another 30 bucks for the transceivers
waxen saddle
The CAT7 cable he's using is already installed in his location. Going fiber would require re-wiring.
tame carbon
@waxen saddle you only have fiber optics inbetween your switches
all regular gear uses RJ45
if you want to do 10G over copper, you can
but I wouldnt do that for the backbone
short distances you can do with a DAC cable
Direct attach 10G
waxen saddle
I dunno how much of a backbone he has/needs on his network. He upgraded to 10g Internet because it was cheaper than 1g, at around $40/month.
tame carbon
yeah but 10G wont work over regular gear
let alone with consumer routers
they will catch on fire >1Gbit
waxen saddle
Yep. That's why Mikrotik was suggested. 😛
little schooner
@hollow marlin 4011 as the main firewall for Wan?
hollow marlin
@hollow marlin Quick question because your name came up in a discussion last night. What do you know about the Windows 10 TCP stack that because it is so bad, that offering to have someone look in to VNC to remote in to a computer is an absolutely terrible idea.
@waxen saddle Yeah there is zero reason to have someone VNC in to troubleshoot TCP stack
@little schooner The firewall. With Fasttrack the 4011 should be able to sustain around 10G
waxen saddle
Well, not to troubleshoot a TCP stack. The guy wanted to know the best way to remote in to a computer without having filesharing issues or creating individual sessions for each login. I realize my original question was a bit awkard. Sorry about that.
I was read the riot act for suggesting a solution that involved the Windows TCP stack and I think you were pinged to school me in my terrible ways.
Anyway, thanks for responding mate. 🙂
hollow marlin
@topaz quarry i don't think anyone here is saying the opposite. We pretty much agree Windows stack cannot handle 10G+
tame carbon
windows
this is heracy
@hollow marlin I have fastpath disabled
and still able to push 10gbit/s
but uses lot more CPU
@little schooner I use my RB4011 to manage like 5 different networks
all hooked up to a single fiber backbone
that is plugged into the 10G port of the RB4011
I have vlan ports hooked up to the bridge
and I can manage them as regular interfaces
and my switches can just do switching on L2 with vlans
so its like a router on a stick
you just have to make sure you enable ingress protection on your service ports
so they can only use the default (1) vlan
@topaz quarry I tested with bandwidth generator
and got the full 10G
over a CRS305
lol
@topaz quarry I helped a friend last night installing windows alongside his mint install
so he could play among us
xD
we laughed so hard
cus windows booting
took like 1-2 minutes
it was older laptop
and mint booted in in like 10 seconds xD
linux mint
its distro
very easy to use and lightweight
peak cloak
what's the difference between mint and ubuntu?
yeah ik
I'm just looking for a linux distro to switch to
hollow marlin
@tame carbon good to know the 4011 can do 10G without FP
waxen scroll
@peak cloak gentoo
peak cloak
plz, no
waxen saddle
lol
Is there anything in particular you are looking to do with your Linux distro of choice? Host servers? Everyday Desktop use? Both? Something else?
waxen saddle
@topaz quarry Drop it please.
peak cloak
Crystal was saying before how pop had bad security
vital glen
Cat7 - 10G upp to 100m. More then i need per cable
waxen saddle
I've personally standardized on Ubuntu as a kind of "Starter linux". Tutorials for various things are bountiful and it's fairly easy to work with.
peak cloak
hmm, alright. Never really used linux as a desktop system, just for server stuff
vital glen
Have no backbone 10g hardware for the moment. Gonna uppgrade over time
waxen saddle
Oh nice. You already are well on your way then.
peak cloak
@waxen saddle who are you talking about trill or me?
waxen saddle
You. Sorry for the confusion.
vital glen
Me..
peak cloak
yeah, I'm not a complete linux noob
vital glen
Even in cold basement?
hollow marlin
We have multiple EX4600 with 16+ 10-BaseT SPFs
vital glen
I can use switch that is sfp+ with rj45 adapter. Dont want to re-wire the cat7. Only need 1 10g switch, not a large hone
peak cloak
DC's have active cooling, fire suppression, dedicated monitoring; your basement doesn't
vital glen
Yeah, all things dont need 10G so. I Washington thinking abort unifi
hollow marlin
Running hot =/= chance of fire. You'll either thermally shutdown or power cycle due to excess power draw. Each switch will specify how much power it can output
waxen saddle
I wouldn't bother trying to reason
vital glen
The 'server-room'/basement has a 16A circuts
So it is ratad for 3500w
Will look in to that :)
👍
hollow marlin
I've seen switches overloaded and like I said they'll power cycle or thermal shutdown. The power for the SFPs will draw from other critical parts of the chassis instead of drawing more power overall. If you have seen a switch catch fire because copper SFPs I would say it was due to another reason but I have never seen anyone report a fire due to it.
Even in Cisco/Juniper docs it specifically states the power limits and stability when the power supply is overloaded.
Also no jumbo frames
nova igloo
Why dont just use SFP+ ?
Copper are more expensive and less efficient than fiber
the reason people don't run fiber is because the switches are expensive
hollow marlin
Fiber is always the way to go, no one is saying copper is better than fiber
nova igloo
yeah
vital glen
Dont wanna re-wire everything, maybe later.. but i dont need 10G to everything.. most hw is 1G
But some hw are att the same place, so was thinging to use Asus switch, that spilts the 10g to 8 1g lan.
ASUS XG-U2008
vital glen
Maybe not, but costs me only 250 ish
thick rune
Should I get a Wi-fi booster and connect via ethernet through that wifi extender
OR get a wifi card?
booster is cheaper)
ionic forge
Evening my It friend I come seeking help once again
any tips on how you would approach tthis?
thick rune
What is a wi-if booster?
@topaz quarry wifi booster
wifi extender
wireless repeater
?
they are the same thing
so should I get wifi card?
instead
I cant get a router because its too expensive
i just want something good
what should i get
that was my main question
peak cloak
Well what is the problem exactly. Slow networks speeds, short wifi range?
There are different solution depending on the issue
ionic forge
@nova igloo how would i be able to install it with out shell access?
thick rune
should I get
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/L2vqqs/placeholder-
or
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/8VMFf7/asus-wireless-network-card-pceac68
the top one would connect via ethernet
idk which one to get
speed
i have enough range
big range
just speed
i want best speeds
bang for the buck
i have 5ghx
nova igloo
Yeah 5Ghz
nova igloo
no
thick rune
ill go check my modem real quick
nova igloo
5G means fifth gen. cellular network
thick rune
ok it says something about 5ghz
peak cloak
well what speeds do you want? You can't get gigabit over wifi?
nova igloo
5Ghz wifi means 5giga hurtzs internet
carmine moss
if you use the normal wifi of the modem then there is your problem a cheap acces point is better most of the time
peak cloak
also if anything extenders hurt speed
nova igloo
maybe packets lost?
thick rune
i use the modem
peak cloak
impossible
thick rune
i use wifi speed from modem
nova igloo
what u mean u use the speed from modem
nova igloo
ur modem r sitting on the table and not moving = no speed 😄
peak cloak
impossible, you need a router, wheter it's intergrated into your modem
nova igloo
yeah the 3in1 stuff right
waxen saddle
Ah the router is built in to the modem.
carmine moss
what is the moddel number on your modem router combo?
peak cloak
nova igloo
that baby usually shit, their cpu power suck @thick rune
carmine moss
@thick rune the best thing you can do is plug a router in your modem for wifi and the best thing is if it's not in the basement from the info you said
thick rune
i found something and it says channel: 5ghz80mhz
nova igloo
use Powerline ?
thick rune
i cant use cables
carmine moss
well for 60 gbp you can get an router that is better then what is in the modem build in for sure if the modem is 5 years old or older
thick rune
im 1 floor and 1 wall away from it rn so 2 walls?
its hitroin hub aswell
110mbps download
carmine moss
well is the floor made of concrete eyespy
thick rune
uhh
carpet and that plaster stuff
not concrete
like kinda wood
ok
but now my question
what do i get
the card or repeater? cable or no cable
nova igloo
lol theres only two type. either conrete or wood 😆
nova igloo
@thick rune why put ur modem in the basement?
carmine moss
well still powerline depends if he is on the same power circuit also
nova igloo
yeah powerline cost about 50$
carmine moss
also are you the only person on the wifi depends on the speed
nova igloo
i think 500mbps r enaf
thick rune
also are you the only person on the wifi depends on the speed
@carmine moss no 2 other people
nova igloo
@thick rune yes it is
i think get the one which include wifi repeater would more worth?
carmine moss
it really depends on how the circuits in your house are if powerline works if you you could try an router wich would be the main thing but getting more then 110mbps is hard on wifi only reason to get a router is if you are on an older modem router combo
thick rune
so when i move to my new house I should put my modem inside my room or in the attic above me and get a router plop it right next to the pc and thats all good?
carmine moss
if you can have the modem in your room you can just plug a cable into your pc
thick rune
oh thats it? and i get more speeds?
thick rune
ill try to get a newer hub modem and i hope i wont get 35ping constant
carmine moss
35ping is low on wifi
carmine moss
yeah that is good ms
thick rune
i dont want to mess with that because last time i tried that it just broke everything
i had to get the internet guy over to reset everything
k
also what happens if i choose both?
9.9.9.9 and 1.1.1.1
oh
so having 2 is good?
if one fails other helps
k
ty
nova igloo
i mean round robin the dns
slim forum
Unifi UXG-Pro innards.
slim forum
Also fits in a rack better.
rigid mason
Has anyone had any experience with a extender for a comcast modem/router thing? My friends parents wont get a new modem/router, even though I suggested a new one
thorny vector
@rigid mason Extender? What kind?
nova igloo
Lets call it 3in1 BlackBox start from today ! 😆
unborn sluice
we would call it combo units start from today
nova igloo
Anyone have idea why High Pressure Nitrogen Gas Tank are so rare
tame carbon
@nova igloo if you want a lot of nitrogen in a can
get LN2
or get a nitrogen filter
I mean, air is mostly nitrogen
nova igloo
What if i say i want it for Fire Suppression System
tame carbon
those use argon
nova igloo
not CO2?
normal ginkgo
*grab
nova igloo
Oh but it is expensive to concentrate them rite
tame carbon
@nova igloo the major reason to use argon over co2 has to do with physics
if you shock a pressured system with co2
by releasing it
co2 will solidify to form dry ice
which can prevent the equipment from functioning
argon does not do this
nova igloo
Oh yeah, like canned carbonated drinks
nova igloo
good point , never think of that
tame carbon
and it gets Really cold
nova igloo
yeah i got what you mean
tame carbon
the way argon extinquishes a fire is the same as with co2
it displaces oxygen so the fire dies out
nova igloo
The molecules have very less heat energy when in high pressure environement
tame carbon
yeah thermodynamics
nova igloo
Do u think Nitrogen will solidify too
tame carbon
solid nitrogen?
nova igloo
I mean liquid
nova igloo
Do u think nitrogen will work as fine as Argon, maybe not if considering the Mass/Volume
tame carbon
@nova igloo https://i.imgur.com/vWBX5NR.png
They often use mixtures
Im not a fire expert
I know how to light a BBQ
nova igloo
It's kinda dangerous if the gas are odorless
nova igloo
people can fall into coma if theres leakage
nova igloo
drawback
tame carbon
you got bells and alarms beeping
nova igloo
Use Water in Datacenter 😆
you got bells and alarms beeping
@tame carbon I mean leakage
nova igloo
its another story haha
nova igloo
and it has to be serviced by a technician every couple months
@tame carbon What u do for living
nova igloo
oh nice one
tame carbon
mostly internet services on servers
nova igloo
Oh cool my dream job
tame carbon
I just know
that I hate doing user-level stuff
GUIs, websites and the likes
meh. I suck at that
nova igloo
U mean the UI n UX?
tame carbon
yeah
nova igloo
give that to front-end devops and web disgner lol
tame carbon
yeah
I write APIs for them
so they can use it, and I can cleanly handle requests
@nova igloo most frontend people suck at things like databases & SQL
tame carbon
well, currently I am finishing up my degree, so I am working at a place that does webdev
but I've worked in telemetry industry for many years
public infrastructure
like sewer monitoring
and traffic control systems
power grid management as well xD
nova igloo
Oh, u work for companies that build and deploy websites for others
tame carbon
@nova igloo yeah its business to business
nova igloo
Saas services
nova igloo
How come u going to finish degree when u have many years of telementry experiences
tame carbon
@nova igloo because I applied for a job there
cus i got bored with school
xD
now I am finishing up formalities
get that piece of paper
nova igloo
I see, u stop for few years then continue ur study
nova igloo
10.... years??? WTH 
tame carbon
all my student loans are voided
that's 17k I wont have to pay back
@nova igloo usually only takes 4 years
but I took 3 years break
I have more field experience than any of my other classmates
which is kinda funny
nova igloo
I thought u gonna say u the one who teaching the Lecturer XD
tame carbon
and if something bores the fuck out of me
I have 0 motivation
@topaz quarry is it mayhem
nova igloo
Yeah assignmnts that are not related are damn bored
tame carbon
?
nova igloo
Crystal do u think back-end developer market like u are saturated?
unborn sluice
there is always room for another good develoepr
nova igloo
I see
tame carbon
@nova igloo if ur good
you can get a job anywhere
there's a lot of frontend developers
good backend developers are hard to come by
nova igloo
Because i see that there's not less of students getting in to IT courses
even though they nvr ever touch computers
unborn sluice
There are articles and data that show that
we used to have people who are great at computers take these courses
but in the past years (or decades) we have people who never coded before and expecting to learn it all at uni
It sounds like I'm gatekeeping the developer scene, but it's what the data says
nova igloo
Im going to Computer Science specialize Cyber Security for my degree
not sure is it a good path
quite worry
nova igloo
lol that emoji, that makes me more worry XD
I know rite
Degree are only the base for u to grow on
lol, so insisnt
na engineering's calculus will kill me b4 the end of world
But calculus for cs is less complicated what
Why u will say cs will get sacked
They dont?
Computer "Science"
they should bracket it XD
im kinda interested in BioTech too, which edit Genome DNAs
What about cyber security
white hat hackers
I'm in Diploma in IT currently, but most of the courses are same as the CS
Oh u Master holder
okay even PHD soon
Do computer engineering considered as Engineer haha
unborn sluice
your degree will probably be worth as much as my toilet paper
@topaz quarry I agree on this point, I sound like a douche and degrading. but i've seen people with degrees that can code things but aren't engineers
nova igloo
or secretly become computer engineers to get their work done
@topaz quarry what u mean secretly lol
unborn sluice
@nova igloo I'm a computer science major, now I gotta learrn hardware myself
Well I think the computer science is different from USA
that's the thing I want to learn that lel
we only got to logic gates and sht
fucking tflops
I want to create 4bit cpus
nova igloo
What the hack u guys talking about , i have to idea😆
unborn sluice
don't you demorgan me on a wednesday morning
wait I should add that to the things I say randomly
nova igloo
What u mean??? @unborn sluice
unborn sluice
when you understand what a look ahead adder is
@topaz quarry I do understand, and it broke my mind about divisions
I still hate complements
nova igloo
Maybe i can get two degree if i want, "in the future"
nova igloo
then why go uni for that 😆
nova igloo
yeah i teach myself alot
i laern maths , physics, chemistry, biology myself when im secondary school
and learn the cool stuff on your own
@topaz quarry But companies wont trust what u said rite
nova igloo
Thats hobby lol
Actually theres not much differences between CS and IT
when comparing the modules
x86 programming hehe, my seniors say thats monster
From now "diploma" to finish "cs degree", if no retake, it will be 2024 something
if Computer Engineering it will be 1 extra year
yeah just started, 3 more weeks to finish diploma semester 1 haha
Na diploma in IT holder, can strightly go Degree Level 2 either CS and CE
tame carbon
@topaz quarry people died in class during lectures about O-notation
"wtf is log"
yeah
most people never had calculus in highschool
I did
xD
@topaz quarry we have two types of math
math A and math B
a is more focussed on statistics and everyday calculations
math b is algebra, calculus trigonometry
etc
nova igloo
ah shit, probability distribution. tht scks
tame carbon
I cant do probability calculations
idk
but calculus and such
I even lack some knowledge there
I had to teach myself how integrals work
cus I needed it at work
lol
nova igloo
Can tell me whats the usage of Logarithms ?
tame carbon
classic explanation is
to find the exponent
x^7 = 25
what is X?
log7(25)
I think natural log is log2
nova igloo
do u need these logic to programming a complicated codes?
ionic forge
Anyone good with openssh exploits? 😦
ionic forge
Check cabling one of the plugs might of broke
nova igloo
lol, is that another word for Brute Force
misty terrace
hacking is not allowed on this server
misty terrace
define ethical. we don't know if you're only going to use it just for that box or if you're gonna hack the nsa with that
tame carbon
wtf
If I turn the amplifier all the way up
sound is barely loud at all
its
incredibly quiet
subwoofer inactive
ionic forge
See am not hacking no nasa yh 😄
ionic forge
@tame carbon did you check cabling I had a problem like that a while back my cable was half snapped
tame carbon
it was working few minutes ago
first bass went
then the sound went quiet
I can still hear it
but its very quiet
unborn sluice
SADac
ionic forge
Have you tried unpluging it ?
ionic forge
might served it's time then
tame carbon
@ionic forge even the FM tuner
is very quiet
Its a 10 year old receiver
that has seen near 18hour use
every day
ionic forge
Tech is not eternal, could simply broke from the inside a cabling or soldering could of snapped 😦
10 years is x2 the lifetime in my oppionion
tame carbon
its been under my desk
in same place
for like last 2 years now
I turn it on and off
thats all xD
ionic forge
bass creates vibration what could couse damage, that's why i never use monitor speakers 😄 broke two of them like that
tame carbon
Its the 2nd pioneer hifi I've broken
the other one, the fan controller popped
and causing it to overheat
This is a VSX-D814
the other one was a VSX-C300
unborn sluice
bass creates vibration what could couse damage, that's why i never use monitor speakers 😄 broke two of them like that
@ionic forge uhhh
nova igloo
Bake it in the oven 👍
unborn sluice
Sound is vibration
unborn sluice
It's not just bass
nova igloo
I prefer earphones if u want sound quality
tame carbon
I want to use my saved up money for something else lmao
@nova igloo nah
psytrance needs to be felt
I doubt headphones can make that sound good ^
resonant basslines are 30-50Hz
nova igloo
go try some Half-In ear earphones, its better/more natural than noise cancelling earphones
tame carbon
@nova igloo at festivals I always bring one of those inflatable couches lol
put em up right next to the dancefloor
nova igloo
which dont make u hurt due to air pressur ein ur ears
tame carbon
and enjoy the infrasonic bass
nova igloo
lol
tame carbon
big subwoofers can push a lot more air
nova igloo
That makes me feel like im having heart attck
nova igloo
???
tame carbon
@nova igloo 5 years ago, none of my equipment died
but now, everything I own
is starting to show its age
last week, first disks in my arrays started failing
so I'm moving onto solid state now
nova igloo
its been 5 years, many things have changed alot, what u hope lol
nova igloo
But its kinda unlucky to have ur HDD failed in <10years
nova igloo
Pfffff...
nova igloo
I think that not a problem if u have good cooling
tame carbon
system ambient temp is 30C
nova igloo
soon there's be heatsink for HDDs haha
unborn sluice
it's not just cooling
But its kinda unlucky to have ur HDD failed in <10years
my hdd who die after 3 years
nova igloo
oh sadd
tame carbon
Im saving up spare cash right now, only on important things
trying to buy a bangin' laptop next year
unborn sluice
That's what happens when I experiment on drives not built for ssuch
I eat their read/write life away
nova igloo
Mine still working, hdd since 2008
tame carbon
I need a workhorse with a dock
nova igloo
WD Blue 1TB 7200rpm