thats good
#networking
thick minnow
oh
nvm
stopping aura thread
not good
op
it froze
damn it server live!
it lived!
yay
unborn sluice
i'm actually considering to build a server from old server pats
but tbh, I might just a second ryzen or something
peak cloak
yeah, that might me more economical
unborn sluice
ryzen 3100 or raspberry pi 4 cluster
ngl rapsberry pi on rack looks endearing to me
Since some of the software is compatible with arm
including gitlab
almost $15 for a peice of plastic and some screws
primal ice
its windows.
thick minnow
cant fight that
solar kestrel
Strange question. Maybe not. I am unable to attach VMs to VLANS on ESXi. The VLANS are all from USG. I trunk them into the NIC with the management interface tagged 4095, but when I create a network group and assign a Linux VM to it, I am unable to pull an IP from the VLAN. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to fix this?
waxen saddle
I might be a noob, but whenever I've set a port to trunk and the port isn't connected to another switch, I can't pass traffic. I've had to set the port to tagged vlan or something like that so that it'll pass whatever VLAN traffic you want from the VM server because the server will tag it.
elfin socket
almost $15 for a peice of plastic and some screws
@unborn sluice
just buy one of those acryllic covid shields and some bolts from home depot
keke
unborn sluice
elfin socket
so raspberri dont get covid
unborn sluice
raspberry pi medical mask when
topaz quarry
@solar kestrel if you're running ubuiquiti stuff you have to register the VLAN networks in the unifi ecosystem
otherwise it doesn't seem to forward VLAN traffic
midnight pine
Hi, quick question. What will happen, if internet speed like around 500 Mbps, but drive maximum for write only at 100 Mbps, let's say download something, does it will have around 500 Mbps or stuck at 100 Mbps (because of the drive).
topaz quarry
which ever device gets saturated first dictates the transaction speed
unborn sluice
imagine if you are not longer hindered by the drive's speed
flint matrix
@round osprey p sure it’s modem to dum pro to 10gbe to poe
tame carbon
all these websites using cloudflare
its so annoying
having to wait 5 seconds for page to load
topaz quarry
cloudflare is best
cloudflare usually only does to your IP when suspecting of sillyness
there's an awful lot of websites with cloudflare proxying
unborn sluice
crystal should stop DDOS websites then
peak cloak
it happens for me too sometimes
tame carbon
@unborn sluice my internet so fast, I open your website and server is overloaded
peak cloak
what's your website
misty terrace
peak cloak
I wonder how much you would need to pay to buy that domain
unborn sluice
you need a unicorn
tame carbon
@peak cloak I got sexiest.cat
if you ever need a CNAME with a fancy sentence
let me know
peak cloak
lol
tame carbon
@peak cloak I used it for my IRC bot back in the day
named after "Eris"
from this weird anime I watched
peak cloak
presentmonkey.tech is mine
github student pack lets you get 3 free domains for a year
I got to renew it in january
20 bucks /year?
unborn sluice
github student pack lets you get 3 free domains for a year
wait really
waxen scroll
hey @topaz quarry i get lulz when people turn on ipv6 and forget its not natted
peak cloak
people have gotten so used to NATing like it's normal
waxen scroll
ubnt wont even let you do ipv6 rules in GUI either, so you turn it on and forget to secure it
peak cloak
yeah
topaz quarry
it's a really good thing i don't use ubnt for anything other than switches and APs
Opnsense,Pfsense,RouterOS,vyos for life
waxen scroll
https://[2001:470:e204:3::1]/ check the hostname on the right
ssh works too
oops.
topaz quarry
oopsadoodles
topaz quarry
lol
unborn sluice
topaz quarry
roflmao
idk opnsense stops the stupid
i think routeros has open rules too
which is going to have a lot of bad interactions with ipv6
it's okay though everyone knows routerOS is hard mode
hollow marlin
Base FW rules in ROAS for v6 is enough
hollow marlin
Router OS
topaz quarry
are they really now
because i had a fun 1.2 days figuring out jumbo frames on one of their switches
nothing about that OS is simple
peak cloak
@tame carbon would say otherwise
tame carbon
hey now
everytime i recommend mtik to people
I give the disclaimer of it being not as easy
waxen scroll
@rocky badge Sorry for bugging you at school but you have leaks in your IPv6 network fam.
peak cloak
it's simple in being hard, if that makes sense
tame carbon
@peak cloak depends on your definition of easy
if you're a normie who has to port forward
and needs wifi
then mtik is hard
hollow marlin
Mikrotik has a lot of similarities in CLI config to Juniper, Ciena, etc. GUI will fuck with people but CLI is the way to go
tame carbon
I quite like the graphical shell
topaz quarry
i like the monitoring software in the gui
tame carbon
TheDude?
topaz quarry
the web ui
hollow marlin
Yeah was going to say I like the graphing in the GUI
hollow marlin
That but also the real time graphs under the interfaces
tame carbon
Surely, this ^
torch is quite a powerful tool in mtik
dont need a tap, can do it right there.
hollow marlin
Also they need to mirror the Web UI to Winbox in terms of design
topaz quarry
it's really close
i'm sure they're having trouble doing all the really cool modified windows stuff
hollow marlin
It has a more modern look. I prefer Winboxes windowing
topaz quarry
i take the hit so i can use ipad as management tool
i hear winbox is wine friendly
is it still wine friendly?
tame carbon
it is
pops the gui open
not had a single problem with it, at all
even L2 management works fine
topaz quarry
neato
hollow marlin
@tame carbon Oh also did you see with ROS 7 they are able to get the switches to router at line rate
topaz quarry
i hear they're ramping up to get SR-IOV in ROS
i saw a switch for UEFI and new Linux kernel
hollow marlin
hollow marlin
10gig L3 routing on a $300 switch
tame carbon
Yeah, crazy
topaz quarry
oh really
hollow marlin
What does it do now? Like 30mbps? lmao
tame carbon
I got maybe 600mbit/s
topaz quarry
but L2 is soooo fast
topaz quarry
i get 800-1.2
tame carbon
^ that seems to be more consistent with mtiks results yeah
Switching ^, v routing
topaz quarry
sustained 4k reads/writes over it are around 700. NFS 4.2 really helps
topaz quarry
i'm literally playing games off my SAN with this switch lol
tame carbon
neato
topaz quarry
i have a minio replication test coming up
i can't wait to see all the numbers light up
tame carbon
@hollow marlin the only thing that gets close to that kind of perf
its the CCR
which is >2000 bucks
Like a CCR1072
80gbit/s L3
topaz quarry
lol high throughput on L3
tame carbon
@topaz quarry that CCR1072 could serve as a fat PPPoE server
topaz quarry
honestly i've never had a reason to do stuff like that
i have so much difficulty justifying learning mpls
well applying it in practice
topaz quarry
honestly if i really need tunnels from point A to B and needed it to be fast
i would get one those fat QAT add in Cards
waxen scroll
rude.
topaz quarry
and create a tunnel
hollow marlin
@hollow marlin cienna 4 lyfe
@waxen scroll screw Ciena syntax
waxen scroll
i know someone with lots of QnQ problems
topaz quarry
lmfao
tame carbon
multi routing tables?
nah
I think I just have a big ol list of routes, and layer 4 firewall
waxen scroll
VRF + MPLS = 🍆 💦
hollow marlin
You forgot BGP for the ultimate three way
tame carbon
im semi afk rn
topaz quarry
BGP makes all of us cry though
topaz quarry
especially BGP with anycast
waxen scroll
im in a meeting right now too. full attention to LTT
hollow marlin
BGP with anycast is simple. Just advertise the same IP and best path is chosen
topaz quarry
no yea
it just gets sticky when multiple paths have the same cost
and you're not running a DNS server or stateless service
tame carbon
bunch of the fancy constructs like that ^ can be done with scripts in mtik
but I've yet to dive into scripting with mtik
hollow marlin
Learn BGP path selection, love BGP path selection
topaz quarry
i have to learn
but seriously though i was watching a coredns walk through
and the person legit got like 5 different google dns servers
waxen scroll
once you learn BGP you'll get really angry how careless cloudflare is with network changes that break the internet
"what do you MEAN local pref knocked out the internet?"
idiots.
topaz quarry
idk they provide a bunch of cool things
hollow marlin
No, its that last outage where they deleted the "match" rules in Junos which made it match all. Commit confirm FFS but that should have not been missed by their engineers
topaz quarry
like automating dns64 and nat64 tunneling for stranded ipv6 or ipv4 services
honestly BGP is quazy broken
but i really like the capabilities
hollow marlin
BGP is not broken, most who use it are
The is basic security that most do not want to deploy which then have shocked Pikachu face when shit breaks
waxen scroll
😤
topaz quarry
honestly i'm of the mind set that people are having so much trouble doing it
it probably needs to be revisited
tame carbon
writing a multimodule node project rn
or rather, a generator, to generate a multimodule project
topaz quarry
neato
hollow marlin
I just got censored?
topaz quarry
i'm contemplating how to automate css and html
to not use js on my websites
C++ boost beast spam here we come
the pirate ship censors the dumbest things
tame carbon
I've written thin clients in java
:3
API client connects to rest
frontend is MVC
topaz quarry
my WASM powers must grow stronger
tame carbon
I'm only now testing the waters of Typescript
and learning the ins and outs of nodejs
topaz quarry
nodejs is really cool
tame carbon
I hate npm
topaz quarry
it's an online ide
tame carbon
ew
tame carbon
I like maven because it integrates well with the IDE
topaz quarry
vscode is pretty neat, it's literally the same thing in a browser
tame carbon
and you can run your programs straight from maven
with mvn exec:java
no fuss about libraries and packaging
maven configuration options are sometimes limited to plugin capabilities
but thats what gradle is for
and gradle works with maven just fine
and I am not about to move away from it, years of maven madness have left me to write my own archetypes
and plugins
@topaz quarry my biggest complaint with npm, is that you cannot have multi module projects
with maven, you can just modularize your software, and have dependencies within your master project
topaz quarry
my biggest problem with npm is security
tame carbon
and compile say, only service-api with mvn package -pl :service-api
it has mvn deploy for integration with repositories
so overall, build process and lifecycle of the project is much easier to manage
its same reason why I hate C#
its not the language, the language is nice
its the ecosystem, nuget is the biggest sack of shit ever.
having to run symbol servers
to get debugging information, in modules you've written for your projects
hollow marlin
but i really like the capabilities
@topaz quarry Since my comment was banned because I used the short hand of intermediate-system to intermediate-system, I was say that BGP is one of two routing protocols that supports TLVs which means you can make it transport whatever info you need it to. Its why it will never go away because it has been integrated into so many protocols
Never was intended to do what it does today
topaz quarry
makes sense
Java was originally meant for consumers to mod their home electronics
people just took it way to far
hollow marlin
Doesn't have to be routes. The TLV will carry any data you want to populate the database which you can use anything else to read and use the information as needed
topaz quarry
i understand mpls much more than bgp
at it's core can bgp do really stupid stuff like transmit HDMI frames across the internets too
tame carbon
@topaz quarry its one of the languages that does adhere to clean OO practices
borrowed from smalltalk
hollow marlin
BGP is just signaling where MPLS/IP is transport. You can send anything you want as long as your transport supports it. BGP just tells you where to send what
topaz quarry
okay so MPLS is the rails, while BGP are the signals for the train
tame carbon
sorry, work stuff getting in the mix
rails?
I thought internet was series of tubes
topaz quarry
no, no ruby
hollow marlin
What is going on today?
topaz quarry
the pirate ship wants everything
tame carbon
sad that words like r3tard are not allowed
because I use it quite often
so when I say 'stupid' I really mean something else
waxen saddle
Ruby is on rails. Internet is in tubes. 😉
tame carbon
and wifi is really just a dwarf in a box screaming at very high frequency
waxen saddle
Fiber is the light at the end of the tunnel.
shell yarrow
I think it would be interesting to see electron beams used for data transmission
hollow marlin
Technically that would be copper right?
shell yarrow
Electron beam is electrons without a medium
Like a cathode ray tube
Like a laser with electrons
hollow marlin
I was just going on that its technically a focused beam but with a medium. I think I remember reading that electrons move faster through copper than a vacuum
shell yarrow
Depends
hollow marlin
Its the reason signals travel faster in copper than fiber
shell yarrow
Fiber is faster than copper but its the encoding light into an electrical signal that takes time
also fiber is light
not electricity
hollow marlin
Copper – 2.3 × 108 m/s Fiber – 2.0 × 108 m/s
Electrons move close to the speed of light but fiber is not perfect.
shell yarrow
Electrons actually move a fair bit slower than photons because they are much more massive by comparison
Also signal velocity is different than speed of the particles
hollow marlin
I get that but actual propagation through copper vs fiber, copper is actually faster. Vacuum is a different story
shell yarrow
Copper tends to be slower due to signal loss and other factors
hollow marlin
Not because signal loss, because loss prevention methods
shell yarrow
which are in place to prevent signal loss
It's because of signal loss that these measures exist
hollow marlin
That is true. But you can change signalling from interleaved to fast to achieve fiber level latency. You might be re-trans but can be done
shell yarrow
Fiber is more compact meaning more fibers can be in one cable allowing for more bandwidth
hollow marlin
I know the benefits of fiber. Its Fiber is more compact so your runs can be 144/288 bundles for the same space 24 count copper can use.
shell yarrow
Copper latency increases with distance quite a bit right?
But that's mostly repeaters and everything else right?
hollow marlin
Latency with increase with distance regardless of tech. Repeaters introduce little latency but introduce way more problems
shell yarrow
Yeah repeaters make things more compllicated
hollow marlin
It was a reddit post I had bookmarked
tame carbon
so just under 200.000 km/s
thick minnow
waxen scroll
<@&750150305383186585> whats this link spam i keep seeing on this discord and others? malicious? ^
keen haven
its a link to another message in discord
waxen scroll
hm ok
keen haven
waxen scroll
last time i clicked one it opened my browser did some things that flashed and it didnt find a message like yours just did
thick minnow
could some one help me
i need a wireless adapter with monitor mode and packet injection for linux and any os system
hello
waxen scroll
@thick minnow i dont know anyone here who deals with wireless enough to know specific cards to buy for hacking
thick minnow
wdym
unborn sluice
that's a specifc device
are you a haxxor now
thick minnow
yes
thick minnow
could you just help me
unborn sluice
I don't even know if I would helping for a good cause
waxen scroll
US election interference
waxen scroll
@thick minnow trump or biden?
unborn sluice
He would be changing the vote count for the national election
waxen scroll
@rocky badge pls. im concerned citizen need to patch leaks before ship sinks
waxen scroll
thick minnow
no type malta
unborn sluice
are you hacking for or against trump
waxen scroll
thats what i wanna know ^
thick minnow
dude i dont hack for bad
unborn sluice
why are you dodging the question
unborn sluice
idk why do bad guys hack
I wonder why politicians are corrupt like that's a big NO NO
waxen scroll
honestly tho @modest gorge we'd be googling this question just like you'd have to. thats how you'll find a card. we dont know models cause we dont need to do this stuff
unborn sluice
we dont know models cause we dont need to do this stuff
there is a specific list available actually
waxen scroll
listen. i vote like a normal citizen. once.
waxen scroll
i laughed that the DOJ charged russians in hacking recently
yeah good luck with that
unborn sluice
The only jurisdiction if the hackers actually visit the US
like some of the old hackers
still don't know what they are thinking
why visit the country you just hacked
waxen scroll
lol i love when the year changes and my screenshot software be like "OOOO get the 2021 version out now!"
so you install it and all they did was change the version number
they did make changes but nothing i'd notice
unborn sluice
They gotta spit something somehow
waxen scroll
@clear igloo i would CML would do that TBH
let me pay $200 once then like $50 yearly maint
the price isnt terrible i guess
little schooner
waxen scroll
yes
i use it to make documentation and record screens during packet captures
its for when snip/mspaint isnt enough but photoshop is too much
waxen saddle
I use Greenshot and OBS, but snagit may have built-in markup capabilities, whereas I have to resort to GIMP or MS Paint.
waxen scroll
correct, it does
its easy to mark stuff up and keep it pretty vs manually trying to do it in PS/Paint
round osprey
@round osprey p sure it’s modem to dum pro to 10gbe to poe
@flint matrix dum?
dream machine?
resuming: modem to dream machine pro, to 10 gigabit switch, to poe switch. Isn't it?
molten swan
@unborn sluice You want one with a promiscuous mode to intercept packets
Remember to only use it on networks you control, or have written, express approval to do so
The built in wifi chip on the newer raspberry pis have them
BTW, has anyone got aws-cli working on a raspberry pi 3+?
waxen scroll
we use azure in this house
waxen scroll
maybe at retail rates
gotta get that corporate contract yo
they'll throw in O365 and other stuff in free just to land the deal
why pay AWS and pay O365 at the same time
come to think of it i think they threw in win 10 licenses too
grand halo
Question,
Should I get 2x TP-Link Omada AC1350 AP's
or 2x Ubiquiti UAP-AC-Lite's for a bit more?
I have an Edgerouter X
peak cloak
I like Omada, I have had good experience with them
Also have an er-x
imo, the Omada is a no bs solution. It just works, plug-in, it will try to get an ip from a dhcp server, if not it will fallback to a default ip. Then you can configure through webui. Also, you can set up the Omada controller software really easily.
@grand halo
grand halo
Ah I see
yeah for me the omada is like $20 cheaper but I'm kinda leaning towards the AC-lites to match brands and maybe get some extra features once I set up a unms server
peak cloak
I myself am trying to back away from ubiquiti
ER-X is pretty different from there new UNIFI lineup, although I think it works with it, idk exactly though
Like UNMS is pretty different from real networking, and I am trying to learn so I want to stay away from them, also they are more expensive
Multiple people in here can rant about ubiquiti
grand halo
nice lol
primal ice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVbZ_SNN8-o and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G2g7Txgzgw more relevant.
grand halo
I mean the er-x is a little harder to set up but it's so configurable and not too expensive
peak cloak
yeah, but compared to other things it's pretty easy tbh
looking at you routerOS
ipv6 support in the er-x is lacking though
cli only
grand halo
well I mean we got it because it was the cheapest thing that was a known brand that had SQM QoS
peak cloak
what's gonna replace my er-x
I got it because it was cheap enough and looked good based on reviews
mikrotik is now my go to for cheap networking products
grand halo
hmm alright
I can look through these guys for a switch which I'm also planning on picking up
edgy turtle
tx3000e or tx50e?
whichever has the better latency and whichever is more stable ill take
waxen scroll
@rocky badge where u at
hollow marlin
Hows this look for a presentation I am giving the NOC on QoS? Config is in Junos but need some critiquing if its not understandable to the greenest of people
peak cloak
I understand absolutely nothing so I can't really critique. Looks nice though
hollow marlin
lol
I just want to make sure the break downs of the config and flows are not too much overwhelming.
We run QoS on most our network and found changes that crippled some customer services so I wanted to go on a semi-deep level with them.
QoS is more complex then many people lead out to be. Without a decent level of knowledge you can break quite a bit. Especially on a SP scale
waxen scroll
we gave up training our NOC for now
its clear its not clicking. too much info probably
you know what keeps me up at night
control plane policing
yours wont click either
hollow marlin
So there are two goals. Either I give them more incite on how QoS works so they know what they are changing or there is so much information they are afraid enough to not want to make changes.
primal ice
hope for the second. overwhelm them. 😄
wary wing
I need help! Internet related question
I pay for 100Mbps, I just ran a speed test and got 119.1 Mbps. Last night watching Netflix it was super blurry and Netflix said my connection speed was .860Mbps. When watching live sports on my phone/laptop/smart tv it’s blurry and consistently freezes for a few seconds. Even playing PS4 online I lag like crazy and get booted from party chats due to bad connection. I am using the service provider provided modem/router. Could that be the issue? What else could be wrong? If I went out and got a new router and used the provided modem would that fix my issue?
wary wing
Yea but I still lag like nuts and can’t even watch Netflix
unborn sluice
Agreed
primal ice
contact your ISP and tell them you are getting constant disconnects - had a similar problem turns out one of the splitters they were using went bad and also an unused ONT was causing feed back on to the line.
wary wing
Hmm okay I’ll give them a call tomorrow. Thanks!
stark notch
@thick minnow Why don't I need ethernet in my house?
waxen scroll
@hollow marlin know what they are changing?
ansible.
standard QoS profiles.
its easy for a NOC to go hurrr durr CUSTOMER-6-100M than think about the details
@stark notch if you have to ask, you dont
stark notch
LZdanger
context
So
this guy is telling me I don't need ethernet ports, and all I said is I have an 80s house.
He got no other information
primal ice
eww
waxen scroll
no eww. framing and drywall best
unborn sluice
wireless++ better than wireless
hollow marlin
@waxen scroll There were a few uplinks in which the buffers and priorities were changed. Buffers were way too deep and priority matched our voice which caused delay or tail drops in voice because someone decided to make the buffer a gig. Assumption is they got reports of call quality so instead of looking into the issue just cranked the buffer.
Then calls came in of lag in voice and when I looked into it the actual issue LAG was hashing the majority of traffic over a single link because the wrong algo was set.
Also they f'd around with some customer HPBX deployments in a similar fashion
waxen scroll
just fire em
they did look into the issue
i know exactly what happened
they saw tons of drops... tons...
better increase the queue
cisco did this with me recently
it didnt work.
hollow marlin
Granted these were 10g links they still had a queue a gig deep ffs
They cannot give me they didn't know if it was bps/kbps/mbps, they had it in bits
And you cannot get fired around here unless you contest management. Burn the network to the ground, slap on the wrist. Tell the director of engineering they're wrong that wont work, fired.
hollow marlin
Oh I do. Been in like 4 or 5 "we need to talk meetings" right after
They absolutely hate being called out
Last place I worked he would just pout afterwards but here it turns full MMA
waxen scroll
😄
hollow marlin
Ive been getting ballzy lately as more of the projects I completed were related to partnerships the president of the company made. So if it gets a little too real I have I guess a pseudo safety net
I should specify that engineering reports to the director. We are the only department without "management"
hollow marlin
Engineering is core to the business so they want direct management and visibility of what is going on. All other dept have 1 or 2. We are a relatively small team though
waxen scroll
thats why you have a chad who gets angry
hollow marlin
Could be. But I was borderline going to snap in an argument that "routing protocols don't load balance". Keep in might he was directory of Charter prior to here
If he's flustered about getting flack about routing in a SP thats his problem
waxen scroll
They enable load balancing tho
It might not be good load balancing but...
Director might think you're the dumb one while not using technical language
oak gazelle
what are you trying to load balance. I have attempted to do that with dual hotspots don't work really well
waxen scroll
WAN traffic
oak gazelle
dual wan differnt ISP or technology?
waxen scroll
Different isp
oak gazelle
never had it work really well my self. But guess it depends on the hardware you get.
waxen scroll
What's your icon.
oak gazelle
was using a TL link loadbalance router with two verizon jetpacks and a hughesnet connection. It would always pick one jetpack and not spend traffic accorss all wans
sailor mercury 🙂
green crest
hi, can cisco routers be used for home use? just curious
waxen scroll
Ah the real one. I thought it was a mashup
oak gazelle
@green crest don't see why not just be careful some require a licence key the cloud based ones do
yes danger it is a 18+ plus version one but can't really talk about it
unborn sluice
As long as you don't plan on buying cisco for you home
if you have it already, why not
oak gazelle
the older cisico hardware I don't belive requires hardware license keys to use
waxen scroll
Can confirm. Would never use a cisco at home
green crest
why not?
oak gazelle
the new cloud based ones do
waxen scroll
For example I can get a new enterprise cisco router for $2000 and it will not do more than 100mb despite having gig interfaces
unborn sluice
will not do more than 100mb despite having gig interfaces
I love these enterprise devices
oak gazelle
i wish could get a gig connection
stuck on crappy hughesnet
till starlink ,tmobile or verizon become available
and for cisco hardware found this Cisco Sg350-28P 28-Port Gigabit PoE Managed Switch for 360 on amazon 🙂
waxen scroll
My ubnt has easy web gui, does all sorts of things like DNS forwarding, and can do a gig!
$100
oak gazelle
using google wifi here 🙂
oak gazelle
again its a all what you prefer really or want to use and learn 🙂
if I had a server rack would do real switches and stuff but simple mesh setup works well for my needs 😉
oak gazelle
lol
my saying is old hardware you buy once.
the new stuff you have to have a key yearly or it stops working
unborn sluice
my saying is old hardware you buy once
Yes this is good
green crest
okay, thanks
unborn sluice
way before SaaS became a thing
hollow marlin
@waxen scroll I mean he thought it could not do any load balance, per flow or packet if you're risky
unborn sluice
way before companies got the idea of subscription based for everything
waxen scroll
@hollow marlin just turn off cef
oak gazelle
some SaaS services are good but not when you have to pay or the hardware becomes a brick completely
unborn sluice
I agree SaaS is a good model, but sometimes it goes too far
oak gazelle
can't think of the cisco models that are like that would have to look again.
waxen scroll
I'm still pissed the routing table and cef weren't synced because of that one command
hollow marlin
Not even cef. He literally did not know RP have load balancing of any kind.
I had to show him a basic lab to prove they did. RIP load balanced FFS lol
waxen scroll
At a small site with dual mpls it's easy to just let ospf on the dist switch decide what router it goes to
hollow marlin
I should be specifying ECMP instead of LB
waxen scroll
I know what you mean
hollow marlin
Got me all flustered again
waxen scroll
@unborn sluice they teach you in school that the routing table tells you where the next hop is
It's bullshit it's all lies
unborn sluice
Are you telling me CCNA is a lie
hollow marlin
lol
waxen scroll
I am
unborn sluice
hollow marlin
CEF and PFE is the real answer to life
waxen scroll
CEF can decide to ignore the routing table and you won't know without some long command
unborn sluice
CCNA is jsut sht ton of waiting for routers to come up online
waxen scroll
They only tell you the bare minimum about cef tho
unborn sluice
They did when I did ccna
Am I that old
hollow marlin
Maps, directions and signs tell you where to go and the roads are the forwarding plane. Except sometime all are correct but CEF says f you, no road
thorny vector
Seems like a routing table with extra steps 😛
hollow marlin
Its a mix. Protocols populate RT, then FIB. ARP populates AT then both fuse into CEF which really programs the ASICs.
unborn sluice
CEF is still layer 3 or does it go crazy
thorny vector
I never really messed with it before, just read one of Cisco’s KB’s on it. Seems pretty cool, but not anything I’ll ever have to touch
hollow marlin
All enterprise gear has a form of it. Juniper is PFE. Without it there would not be line rate routing.
@unborn sluice L3 mostly. It does MPLS which is L2 as well
thorny vector
Pfsense doesn’t have it, so I’ll never use it. We always use pfsense as our edge on our response kits.
hollow marlin
Yeah without programmable ASICs it cannot be done. The recent Broadcomm chips are supposed to be programmable with an API
thorny vector
Ooooh, that’s neat
hollow marlin
Cisco is finally giving in to virtual IOSXE so is letting the new chips be programmable for whiteboxes. Id imagine Netgate boxes have a similar setup
thorny vector
Man, if only we had dedicated boxes for networking. We show up to customers with suitcase sized servers that virtualize everything, and if we’re smart we’ll remember to do a dedicated passthrough of a nic for our wan.
hollow marlin
Oh there will definitely be licenses
thorny vector
Lol, of course. It’s cisco
hollow marlin
You can run their vIOS images live but only limited to 2-10mbps
CEF started it all but like the Mikrotik link I gave Cyrstal earlier, with v7 they are able to push the same entries down to the ASIC so now $300 L3 switches can route 10gig no problem
glacial solar
Okay so I’m confused and I need help with some stuff. So I recently bought a netgear power line 1000 to get Ethernet upstairs as I can’t get a cable up to my room but now I get 30 upload speed and download speed
And using cat 5e cables
thorny vector
So that speed at the other end of the powerline?
glacial solar
Also what I did try to do is move my router upstairs using the power line adapater but the speeds get worse
What do you mean
Cuz I need Ethernet into my pc and when I do use the power line into my pc I get 30mbs
From upstairs
thorny vector
So in the router -> powerline-> upstairs powerline configuration, you get 30mbps?
glacial solar
So how it works is the router downstairs is connected to the power and also inside the router connected Ethernet so what I did is bought a power line adapater plugged in next to the router then plugged Ethernet cable from that into the router
Then went upstairs plugged in the other power line adapater and ran the Ethernet into my pc
thorny vector
But you do have connectivity? And are the outlets on the same circuit in the house?
glacial solar
Not sure about the same circuit
I do have connection
Just shit connection
When I have a 900mbs plan
And getting 30
thorny vector
That would help with speed, being on the same circuit. But powerline is super dependent on the underlying wiring, so I don’t know how much faster you’ll get.
hollow marlin
If you are going upstairs you are most likely going through the breakers which will tank your connection
glacial solar
Well any other ideas to fix this or buy anything else
Cuz I want my 900speed without having a wire going trough the whole house or making holes in the walls
thorny vector
Just running Ethernet. I did it in my house, by putting it under the carpet, running it along baseboards, then painting to the same color of the baseboards.
glacial solar
Parents wouldn’t allow me to do that it’s not gonna look fancy they say
Any other device I can buy or anything
thorny vector
That’s the only way you’ll get full use of your connection. You can try a WiFi mesh, maybe, but you won’t get 900 mbps
hollow marlin
Mesh is the best you got. Powerline in even lab settings can only achieve 200ish best case
glacial solar
What is a WiFi mesh
Umm I see
I searched it up
Also other question
My router is connected to Ethernet and electricity to get it working (wall plug)
Where does that Ethernet cable go to
It’s like a black box
I was wondering if I can plug the WiFi adapater near there and Ethernet inside that box
Maybe?
thorny vector
To either a modem or another router.
glacial solar
Should I try plug my adapater in there would that make it better or worde
It’s legit 3 floors down
thorny vector
If it’s just to a black box with Ethernet and coax cable, that’s a modem, don’t do anything there.
glacial solar
Okay
So I shouldn’t try to@plug my adapater in there
Also why is that my modem when gets far away from the router
Gets worse speeds
thorny vector
Distance doesn’t matter with cables as much. You gotta do reeeeally long runs for just distance to impact it noticeably
glacial solar
Maybe I could connect the Ethernet cable instead of going into the router into the adapater?
And try that
I get my full speeds if i move my setup downstairs and plug into the Ethernet
thorny vector
Hardline as much as you can
rose gazelle
Got my unifi 24 switch today
Now... I am kinda put off by the excessively long cables on my system
flint matrix
@round osprey just watch the video
rose gazelle
Question, is a regular rj45 crimping tool incompatible with cat6a?
rose gazelle
So... What exactly makes it different then?
flint matrix
MORE TWISTSSSSSS
flint matrix
why
rose gazelle
Wait, didn't you say the regular tool is nit compatible with cat6a?
rose gazelle
Cause I'm looking online and sone tools say 6a and some don't
flint matrix
well is it 6a with the center core?
rose gazelle
Oh ok yeah
I haven't decided yet
Currently running with 5e
But planning to change
flint matrix
idk, you just cut that shit back anyway
when you insert it into the plug
if you want
flint matrix
rob which switch
clear sapphire
Getting a second option about this networking question.
What do i need to do if I'm trying to send internet to another location that is about 300ft away and not trying to run a long cable.
I've heard Ubiquiti is good for this 
flint matrix
clear LOS?
clear sapphire
Yes, mostly, maybe a small tree in the way. It's on a ranch.
rose gazelle
Oh I got the unifi 24 250
clear sapphire
I was looking into the Nanostation M2
flint matrix
the crosstalk guy has smoe pretty good ui videos about this
clear sapphire
One house to basically another house
rose gazelle
Yeah I'm looking at his vid about replacing the stock fan
Cause people weren't lying
The stock fans are loud af
When you're in the shopfloor, you won't hear it
But I have it in my bedroom
rose gazelle
Oh lol
clear sapphire
I got a used Netgear Managed 12 port for my bedroom for $25 lol
rose gazelle
Hrllo southern neighbor
flint matrix
if you are already on unifi having UDMp or cloudkey manage is nice
i have a dumb 8port switch too by the tv
becuase i didnt want to spend 150 dollars on a unifi one
rose gazelle
Yeah I'm planning to work my way up to it
clear sapphire
My dumb Netgear died and just got the Enterprise Netgear to replace.
It was basically the same price.
rose gazelle
Was planning to get the cameras so that's why I wrnt with the 24
flint matrix
the PoE?
flint matrix
the pro or non pro
rose gazelle
Don't think I need L3 tbh
flint matrix
lol nobody except enterprise needs L3
rose gazelle
And plus it's double the price
flint matrix
its just fun to screw with
rose gazelle
Yeah but I ain't paying that much 🤣
I'll probably get the udm in a couple of months
Gotta save cash for it
thick minnow
Hey guys can anyone help me with my network/router?
flint matrix
reinstall video card drivers and reboot
thick minnow
Wut
cyan rain
hey I do have a question about an ASUS PCE-AC88 dual band network adapter. Does anyone know how to make it stop randomly disconnecting for no reason at all or is it probably just broken. I already reinstalled drivers
tame carbon
sounds like every other mediocre wifi adapter
random disconnects
its either the adapter or the wifi AP that is messing up
cyan rain
I mean it was one of the best ones u can buy
and it recently just started happening @tame carbon
so idk whats wrong
thick minnow
i think my ISP has a hard on for blocking old school runescape
i called two days ago to check if it was blocked and indeed it was
told them to unblock it so they did
now i check back 10 minutes ago and it's blocked
tame carbon
why are they blocking it lol
clear igloo
and even then only inbound connections on those ports
tame carbon
my ISP lowered my bandwidth this morning to 10mbit
just as I was about to call, speed went back up
not entirely sure why this happened
maybe they were doing maintenance?
clear igloo
Someone made a whoopsie with a policy perhaps?
peak cloak
Is it common for school districts to have their own ASN number?
clear igloo
I would say probably county or city wide depending on the size of the district but yah
peak cloak
yeah, my districts county-wide so that makes sense
clear igloo
I've seen some school districts share their ASN with other city/county stuff too so it might be the county/city that owns the ASN
unborn sluice
maybe they were doing maintenance?
@tame carbon zero too few
peak cloak
no wonder our school internet sucks
they only peer with optimum wifi
according to he
cyan rain
still need some help with my wifi adapter it will work for like 10 - 20 hours then shut off my drivers are reinstalled , router / bandwidth isn't a problem (power also isn't and I have messed with the power settings ,but it has enough watts to work more then well), I power cycled it and it will still do that. any tips would be nice and the model number ASUS-PCE-AC88
edgy turtle
tx3000e or tx50e? which should i get
waxen scroll
@peak cloak no. i dont even use AC
lol
i think my phone is the only AC device in my house
peak cloak
most of my stuff is wired
peak cloak
phones, laptops, and chromebooks are wireless
edgy turtle
do you really need wifi 6?
yes i do
need lower latency while gaming and stuff
and more stable connections
hollow marlin
Latency doesn't come into play unless you are slamming your AP with 30+ devices. Also people need to realize the main benefits from 6 do not apply until every device is 6 capable
tame carbon
why are you gaming on wifi
waxen scroll
@tame carbon wrong question
tame carbon
no, it is exactly the right question
waxen scroll
why do you think 0.3ms or less gain affects your game at all?
tame carbon
wifi is way more than 0.3ms
unborn sluice
I game on wifi, wdym
tame carbon
and not only that
waxen scroll
im talking moving from AC to 6... 0.3 is a BS number
edgy turtle
maybe because i dont have access to ethernet?
unborn sluice
maybe because i dont have access to ethernet?
any 'real' gamer uses wired
@tame carbon my AP is literally 5feet away from me
edgy turtle
you cant expect everyone to have ethernet cables in their wall or to have the router next to them
waxen scroll
all i know is i can play WoW, CS, etc. with 40ms latency with no noticeable impact xD
edgy turtle
yeah just be next to the servers i play on about 30ms league rn
waxen scroll
oof
tame carbon
not the first time I've done that
unborn sluice
tame carbon
leave laptop running, so I can sleep in peace
unborn sluice
wait
if they blast music (using spotify) that causes you to lose sleep
are you the A-hole, or them
questions to ponder for life
tame carbon
justin bieber at 2am on a sunday night
I had to work at 7am
last time I confronted neighbor about this
I got a finger
and a drunk dad & son cussing me out
unborn sluice
justin bieber at anytime is unbearable (fight me)
tame carbon
I did call cops that one time
unborn sluice
With that context
I'll just say it's sweet revenge
not really being an A-hole just cause
tame carbon
just isolate the mac of their dock
and spam it with deauth
everything else appears to work, except the dock
tame carbon
deauth packets is what a client sends to 'signoff'
but they aren't encrypted using the session keys
so you can spoof your mac, and send a deauth to the AP
unborn sluice
2-3x is kinda fast imo
tame carbon
it works
unborn sluice
i'd rather spam it when the chorus hits
I aint saying it won't
I am saying that could raise suspicion
unless they go to google
"why my dock disonnect"
tame carbon
the toolkit I used for this
was aircrack-ng
the command for sending deauth is aireplay-ng
first you use promiscuous mode to sniff for clients
airomon-ng is the program that does that
sniffing WPA2 auth packets is done similair fashion ;)
wpa2 passwords can be cracked in like 20 mins with the right hardware
tame carbon
02:00.1 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 12)
03:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR9462 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
oh wait
I think my wifi actually does supprot
my current wifi chip supports monitor mode and packet injection
I wasn't even aware
@tame carbon you turned me into this
tame carbon
most interfaces can do this stuff
unborn sluice
most of past interfaces [Can't]
or maybe because I use laptops
but that shouldn't be it
peak cloak
school internet ...
unborn sluice
nice
peak cloak
slow
unborn sluice
6.nice
unborn sluice
question too vague lel
peak cloak
school really isn't that bad
I wonder if I can vpn back home with reasonable performance from school
peak cloak
yeah, this week
flint matrix
any idea what you want to do
peak cloak
as a career?
rose gazelle
So... whenever I click "Devices" on the dropdown menu, this comes up
flint matrix
i assume you are starting university based on vpning back?
peak cloak
probably something with networking/IT or engineering
rose gazelle
Any idea why?
peak cloak
no high school
flint matrix
lol Network: Bad
rose gazelle
This is honestly pretty frustrating
rose gazelle
DEvices are working. Getting real good speeds at the farthest corner of the house
but the software man
flint matrix
also im still running 5.
rose gazelle
Gah!
rose gazelle
I started at 6, then I had an issue
downgraded to 5, now the issue is different
went back to six and now this shit happened
It was working fine before
flint matrix
im sorry for your loss
rotund fog
Hi i am matthew i am 13 i am level fucker on Fortnite i fuckin hate it so
can i please be banned because i am doing a challange
first to get banned from 5 serveres wins!
unborn sluice
i mean he's been spamming several channels
rose gazelle
yeah was just joking 
thorny geode
Hey so I have networking related homework, and my prof is an 80 year old boomer who is extremely unclear. Does anyone here have a strong grasp with the topic who may be able to help me out?
thorny geode
this is the assignment
the first question is "How many directly connected networks entries will the routing table of your router be containing?"
Would I have to make a diagram first to figure this out?
waxen scroll
whats your experience doing networking?
is this class 1?
the thing i HATE about class assignments is they want a specific answer
when you know more you have all these answers that the prof isnt looking for
lol
networking is very opened ended, class is very closed minded
a networking 101 might say OH, each classroom gets a subnet/vlan
realistically? you can do a vlan per floor, sometimes a vlan for a whole building depending on size
@hollow marlin this is a weird assignment
10/100BaseT? lol
"fastethernet" ports oof
waxen scroll
so the best way to do this is to check your lecture notes. if your prof is going "one vlan per classroom!" thats what he expects in this assignment
thorny geode
I'll check with a classmate and get back to you
waxen scroll
if this was me I would almost do one vlan for the building for wired users/printers, one for wireless, one for servers, one for DMZ if they want to host apps to the internet. 157 devices is nothing.
your prof might be like wat??? and want vlans and subnets for each room, bla bla
peak cloak
you can tell this is old because of the lack of NAT
thorny geode
yeah my classmates arent entirely sure either, but we know there is a server per floor lol