networking

[tiny tree]

i don't wanna buy something and then it not be worth it

[peak cloak]

don't know much about modems

[tiny tree]

me either thats the issue

[peak cloak]

as for routers, you looking for an all in one I assume?

so Router, Switch, and AP combined

[tiny tree]

uh, not really sure

i'd assume?

[peak cloak]

if you don't know what those are then yeah, an all in one

[tiny tree]

then yes

lmfao

[peak cloak]

https://www.amazon.com/MikroTik-RBD52G-5HacD2HnD-TC-Dual-Concurrent-802-11a-Ethernet/dp/B079SD8NVQ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=hAP+ac²&qid=1601904117&sr=8-1

this one is nice

RouterOS isn't the prettiest but it's powerful

[tiny tree]

alright so this, and then i'd need my own modem to run my ethernet through?

[peak cloak]

yeah

[tame carbon]

do I smell mikrotik?

[peak cloak]

what speeds do you pay for and what ISP do you have?

yes you do

[tame carbon]

Ooh goodie

[tiny tree]

i have spectrum

not sure what the plan is but when i do speedtest i get about 120 down 12 or so up

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak you just recommended the hAP ac2

do you know there's a new variant out ?

ac3

[peak cloak]

^ follow crystal

[tame carbon]

it has same hardware, except external antennas

[peak cloak]

no I did not

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac3

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_images/1975_l.jpg

came out, few weeks ago

I have the ac2 at home, and through two walls, only has about 10mbit/s intermittened

[tiny tree]

would it be worth it to get that for my router then?

[tame carbon]

@tiny tree these can do it all

[tiny tree]

only one or two people use the wifi

[tame carbon]

mikrotiks are very powerful

[tiny tree]

mhm, but i also need a modem cause im gonna get rid of this isp given 2 in 1

[tame carbon]

This ^

[tiny tree]

do you have any suggestions as to what i should get for a modem?

[tame carbon]

idk much about that

[tiny tree]

me either

[tame carbon]

I have fiber optics, none of that nonsense

[peak cloak]

what speeds? because that specifies the dociss version

[tiny tree]

i wanna get fiber but i dunno who to contact

[peak cloak]

depends if it's in your area

[tame carbon]

that hAP ac3 is rated for 2gbit/s

[peak cloak]

switching?

[tiny tree]

how do i know if its in my area?

[tame carbon]

Routing

[peak cloak]

@tiny tree https://broadbandmap.fcc.gov/#/

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak https://i.imgur.com/4pwZei1.png

[peak cloak]

yeah I see

[tiny tree]

when i lookup my address it shows fiber is available

[peak cloak]

what ISP?

[tame carbon]

inb4 its GPON

[tiny tree]

WOW

that looks like the only provider of fiber here

spectrum says cable

[tame carbon]

Fiber > coaxial

not even looking at speeds, just the reliability

[peak cloak]

Surprisingly I never had issues with coax

But I think that's because I'm close to a node

[tame carbon]

ur glad

[tiny tree]

is Wow internet worth switching to thoguh

though

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak I've had so many issues with coaxial

they used to do TV signals and internet over coaxial here

and literally, 1 broken device can jam the entire medium

and issues often are not close to the node, but on premises

so a neighbor with a Tesla Coil or something xD

[peak cloak]

what fiber tech does WOW use?

[tiny tree]

no clue how do i know

lmfao

[tame carbon]

if they use a PON, better hope they sell you a decent 0-bullshit ONT

[tiny tree]

is there a way to tell or?

[tame carbon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_optical_network

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/PON_vs_AON.png/800px-PON_vs_AON.png

You can't really see the difference

[peak cloak]

wait WOW isn't fiber?

[tame carbon]

mostly has to do with the equipment you have on premises

[peak cloak]

it's DOCSIS 3.1

[tiny tree]

then idk? the map says wows providing fiber?

[peak cloak]

according to wikipedia

hmm idk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Open_West

[peak cloak]

maybe they do have fiber in your area

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak they market their coaxial as "Hybrid fiber-coax"

tl;dr they have fiber to the nearest node

[peak cloak]

they advertise fiber for business

[tame carbon]

and fiber to the home

they only have small amount

[peak cloak]

DIA

[tiny tree]

so i can get fiber?

[tame carbon]

@tiny tree call customer support?

ask?

[tiny tree]

i'll do that then

[tame carbon]

ask for what kind of modem you'd get

[hollow marlin]

ONT*

[tame carbon]

^

[peak cloak]

for fiber no modem

[tame carbon]

well, technically

it modulates a laser

[peak cloak]

I guess

[tiny tree]

actually i think i've talked to wow about it before

they said it's not fiber it's fiber to the node and from there its coax

[tame carbon]

Thats what it says on their website too

[tiny tree]

mhm

so that's not really fiber

[tame carbon]

Generally, they use a “Hybrid Fiber-Coaxial” network structure which sends data over fiber most of the way to a customer and only switches over to coaxial within neighborhoods, where sending individual fiber lines to each house is prohibitively expensive

[peak cloak]

they will run a fiber line if you pay

[tame carbon]

^ quoted from their site

[tiny tree]

yeah but arent fiber lines expensive

like really expensive

[tame carbon]

no

not really

[peak cloak]

fiber itself isn't, but running it is

[tame carbon]

its the digging of a trench, to lay said fiber, that costs money

[tiny tree]

so basically it'd still be expensive

because they'd have to do that

[tame carbon]

I paid 0 for my fiber optics

but only

because I took a 2 year plan

after that I am free to cancel

[hollow marlin]

running fibers runs around $10k a mile after you include everything

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin I'm forced to pay either 20k upfront, or pay 13,50/month

that 13,50 is for just line maintenance

[tiny tree]

that's a ton isnt it

[tame carbon]

I did the math

[waxen scroll]

13k/m is a ton

[tame carbon]

either pay 13,50 for 20 years, or pay 20k upfront

13,50 /month ?

not that much

[waxen scroll]

yep. you used ,

[tiny tree]

13 dollars 50 cents?

[tame carbon]

Euros

but ok

[tiny tree]

close enough

yeah that's expensive sheesh

[tame carbon]

@tiny tree corporate line, with 6 hour SLA

so if something goes wrong

they fix it immediately

[tiny tree]

mhm i'll definitely look into it

[tame carbon]

Trust me, this is a good deal I have here :)

[tiny tree]

sure sounds like one

just need to find a deal like that in florida

[tame carbon]

American ISPs are a cartel

There's no real competition

so no innovation

[tiny tree]

ofc

[peak cloak]

give me some Utopia fiber

[tiny tree]

mhm, so i'll see if i can just get a modem and router for now and then look into fiber when i have some money 👀

[tame carbon]

lmao

windows be confused...

$ tracert 1.1.1.1

Tracing route to one.one.one.one [1.1.1.1]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  ntp.local [192.168.88.1]
  2     5 ms     5 ms     5 ms  r2.serv.dro.weserve.nl [46.243.152.3]
  3     7 ms     6 ms     6 ms  46.249.55.194
  4     7 ms     6 ms     6 ms  185.8.179.34
  5     8 ms     9 ms     8 ms  cloudflare.telecity2.nl-ix.net [193.239.117.114]
  6     9 ms     7 ms     7 ms  one.one.one.one [1.1.1.1]

Trace complete.

ntp.local

xD

There is a timeserver on that gateway, but not sure why windows decided that that is the correct hostname

[hollow marlin]

Outside major cities there is no incentive. US is large and most of it is low pop density. Almost all top 4 would flop if they were forced to push fiber to everyone

[tiny tree]

at&t offers fiber in a couple other cities

just not this one

:((

[waxen scroll]

ATT claims fiber is in my city, yet a quick check of various addresses says its nowhere

;p

[tame carbon]

my old ISP told me i could get 20mbit ADSL

their smallest plan was 24mbit/s

I ended up only receiving 4mbit

after nagging them for months on end

managed to get a 25% discount

for their shitty service

which was also weather dependent

[hollow marlin]

Rain seems to always make its way into peoples NID and when freezing copper shrinks just enough to pull away from the block. I had to deal with that shit on the support side and I aint going back

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin it usually presents itself as a bunch of ATM-retransmits

ping spikes in the 800ms

amount of times I had to explain latency issues to a support call

please kill me

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin i remember a phone call i had with comcast complaining of packet loss

"when did the issue start?"

[tame carbon]

xDD

[waxen scroll]

Hmm.. you know what, it stated on the first cold day this year

oh, i know the iissue

lol

[tame carbon]

my ISP always was like: ok we will put the line analyzer on your line for 24h

24h later, I call them, to be told: yeah everything checked out fine

still has packet loss

[hollow marlin]

Which is sadly true. My techs would run a test and forward it to me and it would be clean then to later find out every Friday at 6pm the neighbor 5 houses down had Christmas lights on a timer that would kick on and cause such a surge it would induce a current in the DSL lines 10ft below knocking out the modems on the line until they retrain

The test are accurate, its the guesstimating what external issue is causing the problem

[waxen scroll]

how did you get the neighbor to stop using the lights?

[hollow marlin]

That was left to the customer to ask the neighbor. I was not going to step into that conversation

[waxen scroll]

lmao

seems like an FCC issue

[tame carbon]

The FCC will also make you take a tinkle when you actually want to take a piss

[river ermine]

Has anyone here got some learning resources they can recommend/vouch for for networking? I took a college course, and it was super interesting, but Test-Out really didn't do it for me, i just don't feel like i actually learned/retained anything, which is a really rare issue for me.

I picked up the All In One Network+ book, which came highly recommended (i do plan to get the network+, sec+, and prolly some others eventually). It's helping a lot, but if anyone has other things that worked for them I'd really appreciate it.

[peak cloak]

A homelab is nice

just one spare computer can go alot

put proxmox on it and you can run multiple VM's

[river ermine]

So like, you can have it virtualize the hardware and mess with some interactions?

[peak cloak]

yeah, proxmox is a hypervisor so the main interface is a web interface

you can virtualize a router for example pfsense, or vyos, or many otheres

[river ermine]

Gotcha, ill look into it!
Thanks man!

[peak cloak]

@river ermine this guy has a nice guide https://www.dlford.io/

[river ermine]

Sick!

[peak cloak]

how to setup pfsense, proxmox vm's etc.

[river ermine]

bookmarked!

[peak cloak]

yeah it was a great starter for me too

https://www.dlford.io/how-to-home-lab-part-1/

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll how should I interpret if a seller refunds me in full with no hesitation for a wifi pcie card?

That it would cost more to receive it and get a replacement or that they know they are selling some defects?

[waxen scroll]

can be both reasons

shipping sucks

i bought something for $40 and wanted to return it with some of the product used up. they said sure but pay shipping back

UPS waned $20

[red arrow]

Can anyone here help me with making a VLAN

I have the VLAN made

I have a UDM btw

I'm trying to put my server on a VLAN

Do you have to dedicate a hardware switch port to a VLAN?

[topaz quarry]

as long as everything is on the same physical network

and you're not filtering VLANs (eg restricting which VLANs can go where)

then you just setup your server to pick up on the VLAN

[clear igloo]

Set the port as an access port with that VLAN

[topaz quarry]

what most sane people do is set the port you're trying to deal with with that VLAN as the default LAN

but security minded people would tell you to probably not do that :/

and make your server VLAN aware

[clear igloo]

No, most people set it as access
Native vlan is for trunk ports which is not what you want for single devices (in most cases)

[little schooner]

I use vlan 1 for the native vlan

[clear igloo]

Bad Xeon! Vlan 1 is the devil!

[little schooner]

It means I don't have to make changes to every switch that way

Anything important will have its own vlan

[clear igloo]

Security gonna get you! 😛

[little schooner]

Heh

[peak cloak]

I just use 1 for the default untrusted network

[rocky badge]

I disable ports I'm not using

Then configure it when I need it

[red arrow]

I'm not a security freak I just thought it would be nice for my server and its VMs to be on a VLAN

But so far it doesn't seem like I can connect anything to the VLAN

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the function of a VLAN

[peak cloak]

maybe you are thinking of subnet?

[clear igloo]

Ah, if you have multiple VLANs then you want a trunk port. Native VLAN is the default VLAN, usually for like ESXi or whatever to communicate on + any applicable VMs

[red arrow]

Yeah I am thinking of a subnet.

Ok

We'll go with that

I want to have my server on a different subnet

192.168.2.X as apposed to 192.168.1.X

[clear igloo]

Well a VLAN is segmenting at Layer 2 of the OSI model. Usually each VLAN has its own subnet and you need a gateway for each VLAN to route between the VLANs/subnets

[peak cloak]

on my ER-X I did just that by assigning an ip to another port I wasn't using

and making a DHCP server for that subnet

[topaz quarry]

yes you would need firewall rules to allow this to occur

otherwise in Ubquiti's case it'll just drop packets

[peak cloak]

I mean you don't need any, it worked without any

[topaz quarry]

that defeats the point of having a VLAN

[peak cloak]

but then I added some, such as allowing LAN to initiate a connection with the server subnet, but the server subnet can't see the LAN

[topaz quarry]

you mine as well have everything on a single subnet if your'e going to have no rules :/

[peak cloak]

yeah

[red arrow]

Is a network group the same thing as a subnet?

[peak cloak]

never heard of a network group?

[topaz quarry]

in unifi land?

ubquiti calls network groups subnet compositions yes

to confuse actual IT people

but help non IT people

you can specify if a network is VLAN only in the network group configuration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wcbkE3TF3c

[red arrow]

I don't want a VLAN

[topaz quarry]

you asked about VLANs

[red arrow]

I want a separate subnet

In my mind LAN=subnet and VLAN=LAN but virtually defined

[topaz quarry]

you specify the subnet somewhere else

you associate a VLAN ID with a subnet

watch some tutorials from crosstalk solutions and lawrence systems

it'll make more sense

[red arrow]

I can't figure out how to make a new network group

[topaz quarry]

VLANs are confusing until they're not

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo 😂 https://blob.rocks/eXdVYexzUg.png

[clear igloo]

Only 97%?!?!

[rocky badge]

Lol

[red arrow]

Is it supposed to be on a different network group?

[rocky badge]

no

[topaz quarry]

that just tells me it's on the interface associated with your LAN

you want that

[red arrow]

yes

[topaz quarry]

or the vlan will go poof into the void

[red arrow]

Ok, so how do I put it on the network associated with my LAN?

Ah crap my laptop is running out of juice

Gonna have to go mobile

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge fix his vlan

[silver needle]

Anyone have any idea why when I download through steam my entire lan would get packetloss going through a CSS326-24G-2S+

Was using 0 smart features at the time and no matter what settings I tried it would give packet loss

[peak cloak]

probably steam maxing out the connection

[hollow marlin]

Under switch - port - egress rate, set it about 10-20% below your bandwidth on the port to your PC. It should alleviate a major of the loss without having to setup QoS and even then QoS is not effective on ingress traffic

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin all im sayin is that doesnt happen on my ubnt gear at default and non-QoS settings

[topaz quarry]

ubnt has reasonable defaults

mikrotick stuff doesn't :/

[waxen scroll]

oof

[topaz quarry]

cheap hardware

all the config

my 10 gigabit switch had controfl low on everything

in a p2p network

bad switch

tells switch to behave

[waxen scroll]

ive got a cisco switch that likes to drop ICMP.. pretty much all of it.. for no reason

[hollow marlin]

@waxen scroll I thought it likes to create ICMP traffic

[waxen scroll]

wot

the drop counter is high but packet capture says no floods

fffu

[hollow marlin]

Just call Tac, they'll take care of it

[waxen scroll]

i did, they're not.

they're taking their damn time

the CPU gets like 1 ICMP input per 10 seconds

thats not a flood

line card must be broke idk

@hollow marlin you got $20k so i can test a new card?

@rocky badge

those are coolermaster heatsinks btw

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll beefy heatsinks. But that won't be enough to stop human error in software department

I hate how my edgeswitch 8 takes a very long time to boot. It goes through this process, sending poe power for like 6 seconds and then resets all the switch ports again.

I'm waiting so long for my FlexHD to boot and bring its antennas up

It's a little annoying.

[hollow marlin]

If you want some fun grab some Juniper EXs if you like waiting 10mins to boot

[thorny sky]

is it worth putting on QoS with 600 mbps

[topaz quarry]

yes . . .

[thorny sky]

still not sure exactly how QoS works

[unborn sluice]

Control who uses how much

[thorny sky]

I optimized it for gaming for now

[unborn sluice]

is that a gaming router

[thorny sky]

Yeah Asus

[unborn sluice]

is that one of those who looks like a spaceship

[thorny sky]

haha no I couldn't afford that one

[viscid matrix]

Acer,Asus,Dell,HP,Lenovo,Samsung,LG,Evoo,who wins?

[thorny sky]

It's like a step down

[unborn sluice]

what does it look like then

[thorny sky]

Staring deep into my soul

[unborn sluice]

are you on wifi though

[thorny sky]

Nope I'm lan

[unborn sluice]

depends on the situation, you might not evne feel the difference between with and without QoS

[thorny sky]

I mean I'll keep it on but I never get slowdown

[unborn sluice]

Yup, as long as you get what you want

btw how many people are connected to this router

[thorny sky]

Currently 5

[viscid matrix]

HOW DO I FIX PING

[unborn sluice]

Currently 6
@thorny sky are they video streaming?

[thorny sky]

Nope I stream though

But it's done over lan

[viscid matrix]

Kyou is a bad person

[unborn sluice]

does that router do the QoS automagically?

like you just need to click a button to "optimized" ?

[thorny sky]

QoS Type Adaptive QoS Traditional QoS Bandwidth Limiter
Bandwidth Setting Automatic Setting Manual Setting

[unborn sluice]

uhh yea, so which one of these

[thorny sky]

then select mode

Might just keep it off it might not do jack shit

Most my devices are LAN

[viscid matrix]

😮 you cursed!!!

[thorny sky]

Sorry

I wanted to get the 1gbps

[feral roost]

do i have to have a application listening on the port i portforward to even check if its portforwarded using a online website?

[robust crescent]

i asked for help in #tech-support but its network related so ill drop it here too

some weird shit happened and even though my cords fine, windows refuses to recognize my ethernet connection

i uninstalled reinstalled drivers and on the network connections tab im just stuck at

the ethernet light on my io is on

[topaz quarry]

it means you have a layer 1 problem

if it was a software (layer 2) problem it would show connected but no internet

or give you a self assigned IP

[robust crescent]

i think its an issue with my router

or rather ethernet adapter on the router

or actually no its recognizing the connection now

just no internet

[topaz quarry]

so nowz it's a router problem

[robust crescent]

weird bc the wifi functions fine

[topaz quarry]

your ethernet and wifi NICs aren't the same piece of hardware

one can work and the other doesn't have to

[robust crescent]

i mean

[topaz quarry]

they're not tied together

[robust crescent]

its all on one box and its weird for only one part to malfunction

generally if something dies everything has gone with it

[topaz quarry]

it means your wiring is wrong

and the wifi can get to you

[robust crescent]

hm

cord is visibly fine

idk

[topaz quarry]

so quick question

if someone recently died

does their corpse look fine?

[robust crescent]

:^)

[topaz quarry]

so we can agree cords can look fine

and not be fine

it's your wiring

[robust crescent]

im gonna see if i have a cable

long enough

to test

[wide estuary]

Guys all devices which r connected to my access point just get 1 ip. So if I upgrade to edgerouter x will sqm feature work?

Above 2 r connected to router itself

Orange logo is of access point where probably 1-3 devices r connected

But all it shows it 1 ip for those devices in my router, they don't come up individually

[waxen saddle]

Lasber: Your access point is probably performing NAT. Is the AP connected to the rest of your network over the WAN port?

[wide estuary]

Yup

[waxen saddle]

Set the AP to be in bridged mode or use the LAN port on the AP. If you use the LAN port, be sure the AP has it's own unique non-DHCP IP address on your network.

[wide estuary]

Here this is how its connected

Ethernet out is for my desktop since only one ethernet is coming downstairs

[waxen saddle]

Also, if you use the LAN port on your AP, disable DHCP on your AP.

[wide estuary]

The gui of this router is rly basic, I dont know where DHCP is located

[waxen saddle]

Does it have a "Bridge mode"?

[wide estuary]

Wait i found dhcp server

[waxen saddle]

Yup. That's the one.

[wide estuary]

Since the router im using is already in ap mode I can't access its own gui

[waxen saddle]

wait

[wide estuary]

I'm connected to upstairs router gui

[waxen saddle]

The router that connects your household to the Internet. I'll call that "Router A". Does Router A have the DHCP server enabled?

[wide estuary]

Yup

Should i disable it?

[waxen saddle]

No

Router B, which I assume is the one pictured above. Disable DHCP server on it.

[wide estuary]

Ok so what i need to do is disabled ap router dhcp

Got it but I don't know how to access it

[waxen saddle]

Are you connected to Router B on the LAN port?

[wide estuary]

Yup

[waxen saddle]

Open cmd and type in "tracert google.com" The first hop should be the IP address of Router B.

tracert = Trace Route

[wide estuary]

Got it and all I need to do is write that ip in chrome right?

[waxen saddle]

Yup

Were you able to log in to Router B?

[wide estuary]

Yup but the gui is completely different from above router

I didn't know it had QoS

[waxen saddle]

Perfect. I need to re-order the operations a bit.

[wide estuary]

I disabled DHCP

[waxen saddle]

We need to set the IP address of the Router B first. To do that, we need to log on to Router A as well and figure out the DHCP range. It should be something like 192.168.0.50-192.168.0.240

[wide estuary]

What should static ip pool be?

[waxen saddle]

We need to set the static IP to not be in the DHCP server range. I usually set it to +1 from Router A.

[wide estuary]

Ok so my laptop is connected to router a@waxen saddle

[waxen saddle]

go ahead and log in and check the DHCP server range

[wide estuary]

I don't see any dhcp range server

I see static ip end ip

Preferred dns

Lan ip

Subnet mask

[waxen saddle]

huh

If you don't mind my asking, what manufacturer and model? I'll see if I can look up the GUI.

[wide estuary]

Its tenda...i nvr heard of this brand

[waxen saddle]

AC??

[wide estuary]

Tbh we r tryin to make router b as wds bride mode right

Nope its connected via ethernet

[waxen saddle]

What model number is Router A?

Does Router B have a bridge mode?

[wide estuary]

How to check whether it has bridge mode or not

I think router a is the same model tenda n301

[waxen saddle]

We can either set Router B to bridge mode on the WAN, or we Disable DHCP server, Set static IP, and plug the cable going in to the WAN port in to the LAN port instead.

[wide estuary]

Does both do the same thing?

I can't seem to find dhcp range at all

[waxen saddle]

Well hey, they may have made this a lot easier: https://www.tendacn.com/en/faq/3338.html

[wide estuary]

I think that's the setting my router is running on

Can i screen share with u?

[waxen saddle]

Set that mode again, then try plugging the ethernet cord in to the LAN port instead of the WAN port.

[wide estuary]

I can't seem to find dhcp range at all

Tbh idk why both r the same model but router b has completely different gui than router a

[waxen saddle]

One might have a newer firmware than the other.

[wide estuary]

this is router b gui

and router a doesn't even have qos

this is router a gui

[waxen saddle]

ok. So Router A has the Start and End IP address range for DHCP. 100-200

[wide estuary]

So what should i set it to?@waxen saddle

And also i don't know what network guys did but there seems to be 3rd router....

Tenda n11

That's the gui im connected to

[peak cloak]

huh?

[wide estuary]

Ikr its soo weird

[waxen saddle]

Set the static IP of Router B (NOT the WAN) to 192.168.1.2

It might be called the LAN IP address.

[wide estuary]

Lan mac address right?

[peak cloak]

IP address

[waxen saddle]

LAN IP address

MAC address is completely different and we won't touch that.

[wide estuary]

This right

Sorry if im annoying u

[unborn sluice]

it's aight

[waxen saddle]

Set the IP address to "192.168.0.2".

[wide estuary]

Got it

[waxen saddle]

Router A (Your router to the Internet) = 192.168.0.1, Router B = 192.168.0.2

After changing this, it may need to reboot and then you'd access it in your browser at http://192.168.0.2

[unborn sluice]

double nat?

[waxen saddle]

No way. We're trying to get rid of the double NAT.

[unborn sluice]

[wide estuary]

Yup its changed to 0.2

[peak cloak]

I think there is an AP mode

[unborn sluice]

no bridge mode?

[wide estuary]

Wait it changed it bck to 1.2 after reboot

[waxen saddle]

@unborn sluice There is this: https://www.tendacn.com/en/faq/3338.html But it was still performing NAT for some reason.

[wide estuary]

It says connection status disconnected when i change it to 0.2

[unborn sluice]

@unborn sluice There is this: https://www.tendacn.com/en/faq/3338.html But it was still performing NAT for some reason.
pranked

[waxen saddle]

LOL

[wide estuary]

Ip conflict

.......

[waxen saddle]

It might be that 3rd router you discovered. I should have had you check first.

ok! Are you able to get back in to Router B?

[wide estuary]

Yup

Its ip is set to 1.2

[waxen saddle]

open CMD and "ping 192.168.0.2" Do you get any replies?

[wide estuary]

Nope no replies...

What is this ghost router

[waxen saddle]

We don't know yet.

[unborn sluice]

What is this ghost router
your neighbor getting free internet

[peak cloak]

maybe an nmap scan will help us understand, I'm sorta confused

[waxen saddle]

We could just try setting another IP address. "192.168.0.3"

[wide estuary]

Wait i pinged again and it said destination host unreachable

[unborn sluice]

Try to find the MAC of the ghost router, then blacklist its MAC, wait for someone to get angry

[waxen saddle]

We can probably tackle that later.

[wide estuary]

Same with 0.3

[unborn sluice]

but the DHCP starts at 100 right

[waxen saddle]

CMD: ping 192.168.0.3

Any responses?

Yea, DHCP range is from 100-200

[wide estuary]

Nope none

[waxen saddle]

Last ditch. Set the static IP to 192.168.0.20

wait

[wide estuary]

Hmmmmm

[waxen saddle]

I typed the wrong address. Sorry. It's fixed now. 192.168.0.20

[wide estuary]

Lets see if it works

Rebooting

Yup it works

Nope

Ip conflict

Tf

[waxen saddle]

I suspect Tenda is doing something SUPER goofy.

[wide estuary]

So its not any ghost router

Hmmmmm

[waxen saddle]

I suspect it sees a DHCP server already in use for the 192.168.0.x network and it's setting itself up to be 100% not in conflict.

...except it's misguided and doesn't understand people are smarter.

[peak cloak]

why not just have the router be under a static DHCP lease or I am not understanding something

[wide estuary]

So here's the issue, my tenda router which is acting as ap only show one ip for every drvice that r connected

Top 2 r the one connected via ethernet

Orange one is the one acting as ap

[peak cloak]

yeah, because it's performing NAT pretty sure

[waxen saddle]

That's the same conclusion I came to as well

[wide estuary]

So we t trying to make it as bridge or changing dhcp

Yeah

And wr found out there's another router other than 2 tenda n301

Its tenda n11

In the process

[peak cloak]

that's the third one doing tho?

[wide estuary]

The gui with qos is of 3rd router

[peak cloak]

could you draw a diagram maybe of your setup, I think that will help understand your setup

[wide estuary]

Tbh even I don't know how they setup everything...

All i know is there r 2 routers

One upstairs and other downstairs

[waxen saddle]

We may have to go back to this: https://www.tendacn.com/en/faq/3338.html ...and then unplug from the WAN port and plug it in the LAN port.

Tenda is not playing game with a setup that has worked for 20 years.

[peak cloak]

yeah, maybe WAN has permament NAT

[wide estuary]

Yup i unplugged wan port

Wait I don't think there's 3rd router, why does it says its tenda n11 even tho the model no is n301

I think its firmware

[waxen saddle]

Were you able to re-enable AP mode and change the ethernet cable to the LAN port?

[wide estuary]

Honestly I don't see any wireless ap mode....

In router b that is

Its so confusing

There's ap mode in router a

[peak cloak]

maybe you can switch them?

make b your main internet facing one and a your AP

[wide estuary]

Yeah maybe that's what im gonna do

[waxen saddle]

Note: If you have a cable modem, you may need to reboot that after switching. They tend to "lock on" to the previous router.

[somber light]

im trying to setup a minecraft server at my house with an old pc but my ip address is dynamic. Any good work arounds without having to get a static ip?

[peak cloak]

ddns

dynamic dns

like dynu

[unborn sluice]

[nowadays] most routers can do the DDNS update

[waxen saddle]

Most routers will also let you set a static IP for an existing network too, but here we are. 🙂

[unborn sluice]

[tame carbon]

@somber light DynDNS, No-IP, etc

Some services also can be directly configured in the router

saving you from having to run their software on your computer

[peak cloak]

also on most ISP's the IP will stay the same unless you turn off your router

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak yeah but that isnt a reliable solution

dynamic IP is just cancerous.

[peak cloak]

yeah ik

[tame carbon]

DDNS is a crude fix

[waxen saddle]

...but it works and it's what we have to work with.

[tame carbon]

sadly

IPv6 When?!

oh..

[waxen saddle]

Curiously, Ubiquiti doesn't seem to play well with IPv6 and VPN

[tame carbon]

@waxen saddle routerOS just has exactly the same things from the IP tab

https://i.imgur.com/zrZUUUD.png

for IPv6

v6 firewall

v6 dhcp

not sure why you need dhcp on v6

cus you can just announce prefix

and be done

[waxen saddle]

Well, if I activate IPv6 on my network, No one can VPN in to my network even using IPv4. At least not with the built-in Windows VPN client. It defaults to IPv6 and never connects.

[tame carbon]

oof. thats.. odd

mh. I don't use v6 right now, I still have to finish HE certification xD

[waxen saddle]

Very. So I have to completely disable IPv6 on my network for VPN to work at all.

[tame carbon]

but if I enable my 4-to-6 tunnel, each device on my LAN gets a v6 assigned as well as a v4 NAT'ed IP

[peak cloak]

v6 is great and all, just that I know nothing about it, lol

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak you can self certify at HE

[peak cloak]

need to study once I have free time

[waxen saddle]

It's a different beast to be sure.

[tame carbon]

they have a tutorial

and its quite easy to learn

during their certification, they set you up with your own /64

/64 is the smallest publicly routed subnet

[peak cloak]

it's free?

huh, he.net was marked as spam by google

[waxen scroll]

idk my ubnt does ipv6 and vpn just fine

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll for SharePoint, where should I put my documentation for how to do tasks. OneNote or separate word documents?

[waxen saddle]

Are you using the built-in Microsoft VPN?

[little schooner]

I have access to SharePoint now at the job lol

[stone mist]

Is the TP-Link Archer AX20 good for gaming?

[tame carbon]

burn it

@peak cloak https://ipv6.he.net/

[peak cloak]

yeah I will setup it up

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/gHy9OMo.png

I have yet to get to Sage.

[peak cloak]

after everyone gets off school

[tame carbon]

once you reach Sage. they remove all bandwidth limitations

[peak cloak]

don't want to mess with my parents internet

[tame carbon]

but the next step in my certification

is setting up a mailserver

fuck that

[waxen saddle]

Gross

[peak cloak]

when searching for if my ISP plans on ipv6

fios is closer to having it, but still doesn't

[gritty garden]

do you guys think there would be issues if I took my quest 2 downstairs to use virtual desktop?

I have a mesh system and my pc is connected to ethernet on the #3 router

[peak cloak]

depends on a lot of factors

[gritty garden]

would it increase latency if I went downstairs near the main one by a noticeable amount

[peak cloak]

walls are a big factor

especially since you said you are using mesh, not a wired backhaul

[gritty garden]

hm

[peak cloak]

you could try it

[gritty garden]

yeah

[peak cloak]

doesn't hurt

[gritty garden]

are there any tools to measure latency or network connections on the quest that you know of? or like an apk that I could sideload

[peak cloak]

if you have some sort of terminal emulator, use the ping command

[gritty garden]

okie dokie thanks :)

[waxen scroll]

@little schooner seperate word documents

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll is it because OneNote doesn't support sub sections?

To organize it better?

I saw that today

[waxen scroll]

one note is for notes. full documentation is more of a word/visio thing

this is for many people not just you

[hollow marlin]

@little schooner
Customer/device > technical > txt config
Customer/device > technical > Visio diagram
Customer/device > technical > Post maintenance > Date > Word for MOP summary
Thats how we store engineering docs in Sharepoint. I used Onenote/notepad++ when working on projects

[cedar igloo]

microsoft need to understand people use linux... my company just installed InTune and stopped Teams and emails from working. now i'm forced to move to Windows as it is a requirement to have Teams installed >:/

[hollow marlin]

Microsoft is not going to spend time developing for a single digit percentage of people using linux. Teams/365 are primarily focused around business needs where its an even smaller user base.

[little schooner]

Thanks for the input

[simple current]

Shoulda spun up a VM for teams

[topaz quarry]

just use alternatives to teams

[rocky badge]

https://teams.microsoft.com/

ez

[orchid shell]

does where you get your ethernet cable affect ping and speed

[peak cloak]

sorta, not really. If it's certified than it really shouldn't

the type depends more

[orchid shell]

i mean my dad got a whole damn spool idk what you call it, its purple

he got it from work

[peak cloak]

color doesn't matter

color is just.. color

[orchid shell]

right ok

[peak cloak]

look what it says on the cable

usually there is some sort of writing stamped on the side

[orchid shell]

i have no clue where the spool is

also is there a way to have a long ethernet cable but good ping

cuz my cable is hella long

[clear igloo]

Length doesn't impact ping

[orchid shell]

ok

[clear igloo]

Unless it's over 100m

[peak cloak]

technically it does ^

[clear igloo]

Well yes, but not in any noticeable amount 😛

[peak cloak]

if it's a big spool I assume it isn't preterminated

[orchid shell]

how can I lower my ping tho

what does preterminated mean

[topaz quarry]

distance only impacts ping when you're talking about kiliometers

is your hosut kilimoters in length?

[orchid shell]

no

[topaz quarry]

do you have a super mansion in europe?

[orchid shell]

no

[topaz quarry]

then it's not distance

[orchid shell]

ok

[peak cloak]

if you are on wifi, then use ethernet. That's basically the only solution

[orchid shell]

ookay

[topaz quarry]

dah

[peak cloak]

if you are on ethernet <100 m you have the fastest ping already

[orchid shell]

is it even possible to get 1ms on like roblox tho cuz I get 100+ ping on most games on that platform

[topaz quarry]

after that it's up toyour ISP for upstream connections

you can get 1ms ping

[peak cloak]

that's the ISP and Roblox servers

[topaz quarry]

if your ISP is nice

[orchid shell]

im pretty sure my ISP is rogers

[topaz quarry]

i get 3-40 ms ping to most game servers

it also depends on the location

oh you're a Canadian

[orchid shell]

yes

[topaz quarry]

yea if you're in the middle of no where

or toronto

roger sucks

[orchid shell]

well im in whitby

[topaz quarry]

if it's not next to quebec or near a peering location in Washington

Michigan

or New York

then you'll have a bad time

all of these things are ISP related

[orchid shell]

i think the ISP is in Toronto or ajax idk i think ive seen it say that while doing speedtest

imma do one rn

yeah I'm pretty sure its in toronto

[topaz quarry]

toronto has pretty terrible service

for a variety of reasons

one of which is massive money laundering fraud

[orchid shell]

soooo whats an ISP that I should ask my parents to upgrade to

[topaz quarry]

talk to your neighbors

it's a regional question

[orchid shell]

hmmmm

[topaz quarry]

if you're under the age of 18, ask your parents to ask your neighbors

[orchid shell]

well whats a good ISP in general

like download speed and stuff

[topaz quarry]

that question doesn't have an answer

it's 100% regionally based

[orchid shell]

whats the best one for whitby

[topaz quarry]

ask your neighbors

or friends

or wait for a Canadian to show up in chat

[orchid shell]

i mean im pretty sure my parents pay like 50-80 bucks a month for just 10MB/s download internet

and its lower than that with wifi

[topaz quarry]

yea well buliding infastructure in Canada isn't cheap

you're probably out of range of where they've built stuff already

Roger constantly expands

[orchid shell]

right ok then

[topaz quarry]

it might take a long while

[orchid shell]

well is there any way settings related I can get lower ping

[topaz quarry]

use ethernet

after that not really

[orchid shell]

well I am

[topaz quarry]

then that's it

[orchid shell]

there's no like router settings I can change?

[topaz quarry]

no

go in the terminal and type ping 9.9.9.9

[orchid shell]

k den

[topaz quarry]

and ping 1.1.1.1

if you get 100 ms

there's no fixing it

[orchid shell]

well i get like 13ms according to speedtest and I get 100+ms on roblox games so

and the 13ms is my wifi on my phone

[topaz quarry]

speedtest is the distance between you and your ISP

not you and the roblox server

[orchid shell]

right

[topaz quarry]

look up the hostname of the roblox server

and ping it

[orchid shell]

how would ik the host name

[topaz quarry]

it's the URL you use to connect

[orchid shell]

so would I use roblox.com

[topaz quarry]

if that's what you're connecting to

[orchid shell]

and how would I ping it

[topaz quarry]

is it like minecraft where people can host their own servers?

[orchid shell]

no

[topaz quarry]

go in the terminal and ping 1.1.1.1

ping 9.9.9.9

and roblox.com

go to search -> type cmd

[orchid shell]

whats a terminal

[topaz quarry]

a black screen will show up

[orchid shell]

oh

hold on lemme start my pc

i pinged 1.1.1.1, the time i got were 31, 34, 28, 51

9.9.9.9 was 64, 62, 56, 62

from roblox was 43, 38, 38, 39

[topaz quarry]

then your problem is the server response time for non-trivial packets

[orchid shell]

but when i play actual roblox games its usually 100+

[topaz quarry]

yes well ping is basically just say hello

[orchid shell]

right

[topaz quarry]

make sure it's actually roblox.com

[orchid shell]

it is

[topaz quarry]

octuple check that's the URL you're connecting to in the game

and provide proof

[orchid shell]

oh i dont think the url is for the game

plus a lot of people online say that roblox servers are shit

which they kinda are

[peak cloak]

roblox uses amazon e2 I think

[somber light]

@somber light DynDNS, No-IP, etc
@tame carbon Thanks! I'll try No-IP

My next question is with my server, can someone hack into my home network and steal data? If so, is there a way to protect myself? The PC the server is running off of is not used for much of anything. I have discord, chrome, and office but that's about all that is on it.

refrence: https://discordapp.com/channels/375436620578684930/387022787480387605/763060719436300308

[peak cloak]

there is always risks

I isolate any web facing servers from my home network

[unborn sluice]

[peak cloak]

Not even vlan, just setup a new subnet

and firewall rules

[unborn sluice]

Or hide your real IP address

[peak cloak]

Trying to setup an HE ipv6 tunnel rn, can't seem to get it to work

[waxen saddle]

@somber light I highly recommend NOT hosting a Roblox server.

[peak cloak]

you can't host one?

[waxen saddle]

The official way to host the Roblox server is to open 16,000 ports from the Internet directly to your computer.

[unborn sluice]

But it's a Minecraft server

[waxen saddle]

oh nvm

[unborn sluice]

Point still stands

[waxen saddle]

I got the wrong person

[unborn sluice]

Better to host it somewhere

[peak cloak]

eh, it's good for learning

I do it

[unborn sluice]

Fair

[peak cloak]

I host it for my friends and stuff, but if it's anything that you are advertising you want a VPS

I also used to host my own website

Need to get a good reverse proxy system going, probably gonna use caddy

[rocky badge]

I just host the MC server at home lol

VMs are on a separate VLAN and the MC servers are behind a proxy, waterfall, at home which idc about lol

[strange path]

Does anyone still play half life? I have been trying to create a server for some time and I still can only create a counter strike 1.6 server when I need a half life server on the client program.
Got to love steam support for their old games.

[thick minnow]

I have a question is the Dell Poweredge R610 a good server for AD DS

[peak cloak]

I mean it will work, I would avoid the Rx10's though as they are old, loud, and thirsty

Rx20 minimum for descent power efficiency

same with HP, G8 on par with Rx20

@thick minnow

[thick minnow]

Ok thx

[peak cloak]

Ok, I'm having issues with ipv6

So I'm able to resolve an ipv6 hostname via the HE tunnel, but no ICMP (ping) traffic will go through and say timed out

that's on a client device though

on the router I can ping any ipv6 server

[orchid shell]

whats a good router for a idk 20x30 foot room

is the tp link AC750 good enough for that

I just need it for my bedroom because current house modem thingy is like all the way across the house and needs to go through a whole fridge and 2 walls if anything to get to my phone

[orchid shell]

if a router has its own VPN will my ping be lower

[unborn sluice]

VPN to where

[orchid shell]

idk game servers

[primal ice]

try wtfast https://www.wtfast.com/en/ its "vpn" tunnel it might work for what you want.

but it will cost you a monthly subscription on top of what ever you are paying.

[unborn sluice]

@orchid shell basically no, VPN won't help your ping in most cases

[primal ice]

a normal VPN won't really help you, but wtfast isn't a normal vpn. thats why they call it a gpn. :p

[orchid shell]

so correct me if I'm wrong @unborn sluice but a vpn takes the stuff directly from the server of the game instead of the isp taking that info then sending it to me

[inner terrace]

hmmmm I don't see how a tunnel would fix last-mile issues

the only thing I can see a tunnel fixing is your ISP's attempt at throttling certain protocols

but if your ISP is throttling then it's time to switch ISPs

(if possible)

[primal ice]

a vpn sets up a tunnel for your traffic to go through the vpn's network instead of what ever routing your isp is doing. normally you have an entrance point close to you and then you can select an exit point where ever they have a server. wtfast uses their network to prioritize your gaming packets for the fastest path to the server.

[orchid shell]

how do I know if theyre throttling

ah kk

[inner terrace]

how do I know if theyre throttling
@orchid shell ask them if they have a FUP

[orchid shell]

whats a fup

[inner terrace]

or if there are any specific protocols they throttle

FUP = Fair Usage Policy

[orchid shell]

ah

oh what do you know, Rogers is the worst of the throttlers

so what's an isp in like whitby that doesn't throttle

[inner terrace]

that's outside of my wheelhouse, someone local here might be able to give some insight

[orchid shell]

aight

does distance between servers affect ping btw

[inner terrace]

it used to when everything ran over copper

[primal ice]

depends on the routing

[inner terrace]

and it still does, but typically with modern BGP switching your main issues are when you're crossing oceans

domestic routing is so fast nowadays that it's unlikely to have much of an impact

[orchid shell]

riiiiiiiiight

[inner terrace]

there is an entire industry built around lowering latency for high frequency trading

and it drove the price of property in NY around wall street up like crazy

[orchid shell]

well what is an isp yk about in general that doesn't throttle

[inner terrace]

because they had to get physically closer

nowadays it doesn't matter if they're on the other end of the city as long as they can run fiber to it 😛

well what is an isp yk about in general that doesn't throttle
@orchid shell what country?

[orchid shell]

i don't think my internet is fiber

canada

[inner terrace]

https://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/country/canada/

https://www.pcmag.com/news/the-fastest-isps-of-2020-canada

https://www.pcmag.com/news/the-best-gaming-isps-for-canada-2020

Telus seems to come up consistently high on those lists

[orchid shell]

yeah

and really only getting lower ping than Rogers, speed is bout the same

[spare bay]

I think you mean SIR (shared internet resources) policy not a FUP

[primal ice]

pretty sure rogers is a cable company, so yeah best you would get is fiber to the node. then coax to you.

[spare bay]

that's the legal term for it in canada

[inner terrace]

I think you mean SIR (shared internet resources) policy not a FUP
@spare bay interesting - they call it a FUP here (South Africa)

[spare bay]

also there is virtually no choice for ISPs in canada

At least for cable internet

different ISPs have zones where they own the cable

you can either buy from them or a reseller

[unborn sluice]

a vpn sets up a tunnel for your traffic to go through the vpn's network instead of what ever routing your isp is doing. normally you have an entrance point close to you and then you can select an exit point where ever they have a server. wtfast uses their network to prioritize your gaming packets for the fastest path to the server.
doubt this

[inner terrace]

wow seriously?

that's annoyhing

cable internet is so monolithic

[spare bay]

ISPs are legally required to disclose any SIR policies they put on their services and wholesale to resellers

[inner terrace]

is FTTH at least being somewhat deployed?

[spare bay]

Actually I got the name wrong

the correct legal term is: Internet traffic management practices (ITMPs)

FTTH is in some areas

[unborn sluice]

i thought FUP is the legal term

[inner terrace]

ISPs are legally required to disclose any SIR policies they put on their services and wholesale to resellers
@spare bay is it unilateral, or do they provide unrestricted service to some resellers so you can at least get better service from them?

[spare bay]

if you're curious what policies different ISPs have, they're all listed here:

https://www.teksavvy.com/policies/legal-stuff/shared-internet-resources-policy/

[unborn sluice]

noice

[spare bay]

under this heading: Is there any other traffic management that TekSavvy end-users should know about?

[orchid shell]

damn, telus aint available in ontario

[spare bay]

Rogers has not been doing any traffic management until recently

and it's mostly focused on upload, not really download

[primal ice]

@unborn sluice no its true I tried it out with swotor and a few different online EA games. cause my isps routing was sending me through chicago and new york which both have bad routing hubs that were constantly dropping packets bound to and returned from the EA servers. wtfast rerouted the traffic to california then along the bottom states to the EA Servers it was a much faster path dropped ping from 45-60ish latency down to 28-32 latency and no more dropped packets.

[spare bay]

Granted that link is for wholesale so it's possible they have different traffic management policies for their direct customers

I don't have links to that off the top of my head

[unborn sluice]

@primal ice that seems a rather niche imo

if anything, VPN might even add latency cause your packet would go to anohter ISP instead of the game server

[inner terrace]

I can only think that they're doing traffic shaping on a particular report

and using that VPN went through an unshaped port

correlation != causation 😛

[unborn sluice]

yea, VPN would not help for online gaming. if it does, time to switch ISP

[inner terrace]

lol that's exactly what I said up-thread as well

[unborn sluice]

yea, I was agreeing with you

[inner terrace]

gentlepeople, we have consensus

and we didn't even need a blockchain

[unborn sluice]

your ISP probably directs all the game packets to the shittiest of routes

[primal ice]

it was frontier so yeah.

[unborn sluice]

just get ISP peering jeez, build your own isp

[inner terrace]

lol

[halcyon nest]

Are there any issues you guys have found with Mesh WiFi? I have a NETGEAR Nighthawk MX system, and I was just wondering.

[unborn sluice]

wireless mesh yikes

[primal ice]

increases connectivity but lose some speed as all the ap's have priority talking to each other.

[unborn sluice]

wait what

[halcyon nest]

You can plug in via Ethernet, but it's annoying that I can't even use it bc none of the boosters are in my room.

[unborn sluice]

why not just wire the AP

instead of mesh

or you already have the equipment for mesh?

[halcyon nest]

Ok I'm not that into networking

I actually do not know anything really

I'm interested however.

When you say wire the AP, are you referring to Ethernet ports in your wall?

[unborn sluice]

yea, connect the AP through ethernet

[halcyon nest]

There isn't a port in my room

Or at least I don't think

I really got unlucky here.

[unborn sluice]

wdym port

you can't connect it through ethernet

[halcyon nest]

Isn't AP the ethernet ports that are in your wall?

[unborn sluice]

uhhhh

[halcyon nest]

(sorry for the lack of knowledge and bad grammar)

[unborn sluice]

AP = Access Point

[halcyon nest]

Alr

[unborn sluice]

it can be the small boxes that give you wifi

so right now what do you have?

the ISP router ?

[halcyon nest]

Okok

I don't think there are any APs in my room, and the router is the one that came with the mesh system

The modem is a stock AT&T one, but I think Imma try to convince my parental figures to get the NETGEAR one if it's compatible

[primal ice]

mesh system is wifi. so if the router is "mesh " that means its part of a wifi network.

[inner terrace]

mesh is a buzzword that means "slow"

[primal ice]

yes

[inner terrace]

even Ubiquiti's mesh stuff is a hot mess

[halcyon nest]

Why is mesh so bad though?

[inner terrace]

great question

basically even in the most optimistic scenario you have massive speed loss

as each hop in the path has to do figure out where to route the packets next

using a mesh network is a little like using Tor

and in less optimistic scenarios (eg. ZWave or ZigBee IoT meshes) you literally lose half your throughput at each hop

[halcyon nest]

Alr

[inner terrace]

so yeah the advice about physically cabling up each access point is the best

[halcyon nest]

Ok

Thx

[unborn sluice]

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[peak cloak]

@tame carbon I have some ipv6 issues, I can ping using ipv6 from the router, but not client devices

I tried doing things from the forums, but those didn't help

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak firewall?

do your local devices get a v6 from the prefix you announced?

fe80: is loopback = unconfigured

[peak cloak]

my laptop did, my desktop didn't

[tame carbon]

reconnect

[peak cloak]

nope, still only getting link-local. Maybe it's the switch?

yep

my switch doesn't support ipv6

[tame carbon]

what

really?

[peak cloak]

I have the GS308E

[tame carbon]

what column is that?

[peak cloak]

My core switch does support it, which explains my laptop via wifi was able to

second

[tame carbon]

well then

TOSS IT OUT

v4 jank

even my dumb 8 port gigabit switch from cisco does v6

[peak cloak]

that's stupid

[clear igloo]

A L2 switch CANNOT dictate IPv6 support

[tame carbon]

Yes it can

[clear igloo]

A L2 switch doesn't understand IPv4 or IPv6

[tame carbon]

ARP

if the switch doesnt have ARP support for v6 it will not work

ARP, while being a L2 protocol, still needs to have L3 address space for its table

[clear igloo]

A L2 switch will forward packets based on MAC address, it doesn't care about ARP or ND

[tame carbon]

Yes

and how does it know to what MAC it needs to send to to reach some IP

ARP.

switches have an internal ARP table

if they don't

then its not a switch, but a hub.

hubs forward all data they receive on any port, to all other ports