Moments ago it looked like this
#networking
tame carbon
mh
these routes are odd
you get routed over a carrier NAT?
10.27.83.193
that's not public internet
192.168.88.1 is probably your mikrotik
manic oriole
honestly i don't know, i didn't install anything, my parents did so
tame carbon
how is it connected?
like, is it copper, coaxial
or completely wireless with LTE ?
hollow marlin
The 10/ in the traceroute doesn't always indicate CGNAT. The response is the IP of the egress router interface. ISPs core is still all private space with public loopbacks
manic oriole
there is some hAp Lite modem behind my pc 😄 you are asking some hardware stuff questions that i unfortunately have no clue about :/
tame carbon
I have only network gear from that brand ;)
I recognized the default subnet for that brand
the 192.168.88.1
is typically for mikrotik
your wifi is perfect
This hop
is from your internet service provider
first you go onto their internet network, 10.27.83.193
and then onto their public routers, the praha.net
so.. this is kinda..
annoying because this is not your equipment to manage
tl;dr you cant really do much, beyond seeing if a restart of your modem works
if not, complain to the internet service provider that you have issues
call them up
manic oriole
Ok, but the issue is on their end right?
tame carbon
well
what is that hAP connected to?
its whatever is before the hAP that is not working properly
Computer -> Mikrotik -> ????
192.168.88.1 is the mikrotik
is it ADSL?
it is fiber?
manic oriole
i don't know 😫 is there a way for me to find out?
manic oriole
there are 3 cables, yellow is connected to my pc, black to electricity and a grey on number one that leads somewhere behind and through the wall :S it has engraved UTP PHTCH Cable on it
manic oriole
the grey cable
manic oriole
😄
tame carbon
ok can you take a picture?
manic oriole
tame carbon
okay wehere is that grey cable going
manic oriole
somewhere through the wall :x
manic oriole
Ok so you suggest restarting that device?
little schooner
@manic oriole if you've done that before, then no. I suggest checking that connection in the wall if possible
tame carbon
@manic oriole yes, the internet is coming from the grey cable, the problems start at that device
find whatever it is
and turn it off and on
hollow marlin
NVM, that was in his original screenshot
hollow marlin
Yeah already corrected myself
tame carbon
but this 2700ms ping
is typical for things like ADSL retransmits
when ATM just dies because of noise
but they are following the gray cable
And their ISP does DSL internet
@hollow marlin imagine if this guy lives right next to a mobile cell tower: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psoLXEBmfRg
tesla coils scream on very high and broad frequency
switching logic for that kind of tesla coil operating is a lot more complicated
hollow marlin
Im sure the providers hate him. My first network engineer job was under the DSL team. In one county they had a dozen or so AM towers which constantly knocked out the sync because of course it uses the same frequency as ADSL
tame carbon
oops
my old house had terrible adsl, nobody could fix it
and then, one technician in suit, who apparently does business customers
hollow marlin
Ill never touch DSL again. To many uncontrollable interference
tame carbon
had little radio
walked around house
went to neighbor
walked to the back of their office
unplugged faulty old NAS power brick
not even in use
fixed.
hollow marlin
Using AM radio is actually surprisingly very useful in troubleshooting if you dont have a spectrometer
Follow the line and listen for static
tame carbon
yep
AM is most crude form of transmission
@hollow marlin so the underlying reason for it interfering with
they had re-spliced a 10 meter section from the road to the house
but it was in a circle
like one loop then it goes to the house
and right underneath that, was 3 phase power
this is all under the driveway
they redid the splice
and made it shorter
it was a literal antenna
hollow marlin
Most issues are with the drop or bad filter at the block on the pole. Looping is terrible as it induces more interference
tame carbon
I'm so glad fiber is a thing now
doesnt matter if they nuke us
the electrics may be dead
but the dark fiber stays alive
as a metaphor to the blast of photons
little schooner
@tame carbon I want fiber to be an option for my apartment and other places
I begged a newcomer fiber company to build out at my mom's neighborhood but they are adamant in their decision not to even advertise here
it was a lost cause.
thick minnow
you won't get 1000/1000 over wifi
@topaz quarry well dugh i know that its just the wireless devices dont work at all like the internet just doesn't load shit i have to turn on data to use my phone
fresh holly
I had to wait many years
@tame carbon I got fiber to one apartment in about 2 years, then moved... to apartment with only 4G despite being in the middle of the city. 2 years later and I have fiber again, yay!
tame carbon
@fresh holly there was this initiative from a fiber operator
to roll out fiber in rural areas
netherlands isnt that big
so they just had regions, and when enough people signed up, they would do it
I pay the fiber operator a flat fee/month for maintenance
and then whatever plan, is with my ISP
fresh holly
I was lucky, both times it cost me 300€, so only the connection fee. But they were both in cities and built by ISP during larger buildups in the areas.
tame carbon
Its singlemode fiber here
so I just have a media converter
and a DHCP server listening on a vlan
very nice to setup, no weird ISP modem
fresh holly
In Estonia the setup is fiber -> Huawei converter -> ISP router -> user router
ISP router can be left out if TV is not required. There is a weird VLAN setup for TV that does not work on other routers.
tame carbon
the left most fiber
is the ISP side
the spool, is whatever is leftover. I have 10G lan
fresh holly
Here fiber is built by ISP, Telia, and they have Huawei encryption on fiber, so their converter is required.
rocky badge
@waxen scroll huh interesting
fresh holly
But after that user is free to use whatever
rocky badge
So Teslas have a vpn connection back to Tesla...seems like it's OpenVPN? Its running on OVPN's port anyways lol, gonna inspect this when we get home...
tame carbon
@rocky badge you can do encryption with pppoe just fine
fresh holly
Encryption might be a wrong word, have to look it up.
fresh holly
But only huawei devices can convert it back to anything usable
waxen scroll
@rocky badge im a shareholder, tell your mom to buy one more
rocky badge
AT&T requires their ONT for 802.1X authentication
And their GW to 802.1X to the ONT
@waxen scroll lol
peak cloak
oh, 802.1X?
tame carbon
yes
Mikrotik has had certificate support for a long time
So you can just configure it like that
rocky badge
@waxen scroll time to have a car and EV charger on my IoT network 😐
fresh holly
Not an expert on networking, from quick forum search: Telia uses Huawei GPON, devices are authorised by Huawei serial number and no other devices can be used on the fiber network.
rocky badge
@fresh holly makes sense
peak cloak
FiOS does something similar I think
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Keeps unauthenticated/unauthorized ONTs & customers off the network
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What is my school laptop doing @clear igloo 😂
fresh holly
Plus broadband is bloody expensive over here, 42€/month for 500/500.
tame carbon
thats not a lot
fresh holly
Over the border in Latvia it is about 15-20€/month
tame carbon
I pay 59 euros for 250/250 fiber
fresh holly
and gigabit for 25€/month
topaz quarry
Latvia has an almost non existent economy
tame carbon
lol
topaz quarry
most companies give them a break
tame carbon
@topaz quarry they probably have one DWDM system for the entire country 
fresh holly
Its almost on par with Estonia though... 😄
rocky badge
AT&T is $49/mo Gigabit and local ISP is also $49/mo Gigabit lol
topaz quarry
estonia also has almost no economy . . .
fresh holly
gigabit is 100€/month over here.
tame carbon
800mbit is most I can get, for 159 euros/month
topaz quarry
i don't understand why you think a monopoloy is bad
tame carbon
but at that point
topaz quarry
it's only bad when they abuse their status
tame carbon
I might as well look into a cross connect
rocky badge
@topaz quarry that's literally what AT&T does lmao
fresh holly
Like over here, where prices are 2-3-4 times higher than over the border.
topaz quarry
lik after the US split up At&T - internet went to shit
rocky badge
They have monopolies in areas
topaz quarry
you can fight if you want
tame carbon
yeah US ISPs dont compete with one another, deliberately
clear igloo
You mean when AT&T wrote laws to hamstring competition, handed them to politicians saying "Pass this" and they obeyed?
topaz quarry
setup your own ISP
tame carbon
smells like communism
waxen scroll
@clear igloo sh
rocky badge
Plus AT&T's business practices
clear igloo
@waxen scroll Right, competition bad 😛
rocky badge
Along with large ISPs lobbying
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And I don't
topaz quarry
buy dark fiber
waxen scroll
@clear igloo You have been banned from r/wallstreetbets
rocky badge
I just go with local ISP :p
tame carbon
Dont forget Net Neutrality
clear igloo
You're not exactly the brightest bulb as to how much fiber costs are you?
rocky badge
From the electrical coop
tame carbon
so ISPs can charge for you using netflix
nova igloo
How can I do VRRP router redundant if i only own 1 WAN address?
rocky badge
Its not a company lol
topaz quarry
i already had these phone calls
you should all be asking now
why do power companies own fiber
tame carbon
grid stabilising
tame carbon
power grid communicates with many parts
rocky badge
Against Comcast, AT&T
fresh holly
They have the poles to put fiber on, at least over here.
topaz quarry
it's got 0% to do with competition
rocky badge
@fresh holly yup they own the poles
fresh holly
yeap 😄
rocky badge
So they put fiber on their own poles
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Doesn't cost them a thing
tame carbon
what a waste of effort.
nova igloo
Yeah, its to expesive to dig the land
tame carbon
yeah
rocky badge
When they can charge AT&T to use the poles
topaz quarry
soflo has all of them in the ground . . .
rocky badge
And Comcast and Spectrum
peak cloak
last mile fiber is on poles here as well
nova igloo
Malaysia, install most of the fiber on the poles
tame carbon
we have all underground here
waxen scroll
Linus Pole Tips
rocky badge
@peak cloak yeah it's not all on the poles
topaz quarry
lmao
tame carbon
power is underground too, except the 100kV
nova igloo
I tihnk its more safe to have fibers under land
peak cloak
expect when something breaks and you need to dig up and it takes forever
fresh holly
Less trees fall on the underground cables.
rocky badge
Our spectrum coax is still on the ground but we don't give a shit
fresh holly
And if options are: no fiber or fiber on poles, then I will go with fiber on poles
rocky badge
Its not down though, still works but again we don't give a shit
nova igloo
Starlink best XD
rocky badge
Because we're not using them anymore
fresh holly
Thankfully my fiber is all underground 😄
nova igloo
Thankfully my fiber is all underground 😄
@fresh holly I'm training my dog to remember the smell of "fibers"
rocky badge
Last mile is on the poles and they give you 2 strands iirc, ones still in the splice tray
peak cloak
the backhoe will find the fiber and cut it, lol
tame carbon
starlink will be a huge dissapointment
peak cloak
^
rocky badge
Where hughesnet is your only option
tame carbon
downlink latency will still be bad
peak cloak
compared to other satellite providers, it will be better
topaz quarry
depending on when starlkink come out
topaz quarry
i might have my wireless backhaul up already
tame carbon
😟
nova igloo
starlink will be a huge dissapointment
@tame carbon Imagine one of the satellite failed, and hitting other satellites causing chain-effect.
topaz quarry
i have points on contact in the heartland now
now that silicon valley finally got split up
everyone flee silicon valley faster
misty terrace
skynet
@tame carbon hopefully not
rocky badge
Musknet
fresh holly
We can't even have a car driving itself, skynet will have to wait 😛
topaz quarry
depends on what you're talking about
we have fully autoonmous tanks
let that sink in
no driver seat
nova igloo
I think global public transportation will be more safe, and cost effective
nova igloo
If all the cars are connected, they wont cause accident
rocky badge
If starlink can provide reliable, and faster than literally 5Mbps to rural areas, that's a win for them, but of course faster than 5Mbps is what they promise but again that could be marketing...and you know how that goes
topaz quarry
that's also false
fresh holly
Mechanical failures will still happen.
topaz quarry
the legendary problem
fresh holly
But at least texting will be less of an issue 😄
nova igloo
Mechanical failures will still happen.
@fresh holly Okay, good point. Then they need well maintaince
nova igloo
which thing to crash into
@topaz quarry Neither one
topaz quarry
then you die
fresh holly
Tesla cannot even figure out if there is cloud or truck ahead.
clear igloo
You hit the squirrel, insurance pays for it
nova igloo
It can stop the car behind itself, they are connected
topaz quarry
lol not all events can benefit from that scenario
the question is either the squirel
or the human
no other option
nova igloo
Okay, imagine u r too fast
fresh holly
kill squirrel, easy
clear igloo
animal every time, if you swerve and avoid it then you're charged with reckless driving unless you can get the animal to stick around, lol
topaz quarry
but this squirel has a football
waxen scroll
@clear igloo you hit a human insurance pays too
fresh holly
but what if the question is:
a) Kill owner of the car
b) Kill 2 people on the road
waxen scroll
thats the point
rocky badge
@waxen scroll kek
nova igloo
Fly to the sky. XD
topaz quarry
i don't envy these people
topaz quarry
lmfao
waxen scroll
not joking
rocky badge
Everyone dies
waxen scroll
;p
fresh holly
Noone will buy a car that will rather kill it's occupant than anyone else.
waxen scroll
^
fresh holly
So yeah, car will be priority 🙂
fresh holly
Half joke, half not.
topaz quarry
i'm not joking though
fresh holly
Anyway, fiber is good.
topaz quarry
you already can't take out loans if your score is low enough
nova igloo
or Huamn Zoo
fresh holly
And it's lovely that Estonian primary fiber network is 100% Huawei devices 😬
tame carbon
tame carbon
This is too funny ^ turn on subtitles
nova igloo
you already can't take out loans if your score is low enough
@topaz quarry Oh yeah, the Trust of Score right
tame carbon
this is a german satirical MP in EU, and he casually accuses them of espionage
and she goes off the chain
with Huawei
sorry, forgot to mention
he's trolling them so hard
nova igloo
Is it possible to do VRRP (Router Redundancy) with only 1 Public IP/ Allocate 1 Public IP ?
topaz quarry
with stuff behind the IP address
waxen scroll
not that im aware of. the IP needs to be in the same subnet as the two interfaces it needs to move between
topaz quarry
like if you have a cluster of computers behind one public ip
rocky badge
Don't you need 3?
topaz quarry
you need 2 + number of virtual IPs
rocky badge
Router A, router B, vip
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@waxen scroll I wish my WAN ips were in the same subnet
nova igloo
like if you have a cluster of computers behind one public ip
@topaz quarry Yeah
rocky badge
All 3 of my wan ips are in different subnets
nova igloo
Can I use Private IP instead
topaz quarry
you can do VRRP behind your masquerade and expose them over the public IP
nova igloo
the ip r just for the purpose of settings syncronize
topaz quarry
if you want to synchronize stuff across a WAN then you need to connect them over a tunnel
nova igloo
you can do VRRP behind your masquerade and expose them over the public IP
@topaz quarry Thats the work of router, i will also need redundant network for that
topaz quarry
you can't do VRRP with an IP space you don't own no
nova igloo
What about using Private IP for sync-group, Public IP for WAN
nova igloo
Redundant the router which connect me to ISP
topaz quarry
oh then just connect the routers to each other with a wired backhaul
like a random switch
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@clear igloo @waxen scroll yeet my VPN is doing around 40/40 on VZW -> home
topaz quarry
you'll need to put all the routers in the DMZ of your modem/router thing
clear igloo
@rocky badge Needs to be 200/200 😛
waxen scroll
@rocky badge my VPN does gig
nova igloo
oh then just connect the routers to each other with a wired backhaul
@topaz quarry Yeah, using private up for sync, then use public ip for Virtual IP
rocky badge
LEL getting above 40Mbps on this
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Lol
clear igloo
sigh blob got PARENTS money
rocky badge
kek
topaz quarry
lol you saw that too
waxen scroll
i only use like 1gb data and wifi for all else
fresh holly
4G is where we have great pricing though, I pay 5€/month for unlimited speed 12GB Estonia / 3GB EU 😛
waxen scroll
@rocky badge my phone also works in japan, hong kong, europe, etc... same rates, no increased fees, no "international data plan"
step off the plane, works in under 60sec
rocky badge
Nice
fresh holly
That is rather less useful for the next couple of years though
waxen scroll
only if you have preexisting conditions
the latest number is that 99.98% of people who get covid do fine
😘
topaz quarry
you need a ton of factors working against you
fresh holly
That is one side of it, other side is: if I go abroad and come back, I have to be in isolation for 2 weeks, and it's like that in most countries.
topaz quarry
depends on how you got there
fresh holly
I could, of course, break the law, but that's not nice.
topaz quarry
if you use private planes
some countries wave it
it's only on commercial airliners
if you get there by sea with your own cata
i heard the seaports are letting you through
fresh holly
In this region at least it does not matter how you get here.
But yeah, there are a lot of countries and a lot of different rules.
waxen scroll
@rocky badge when i had a corporate phone ATT would bill $20/m more for international use and a generous 300mb data plan!
and it was 3G
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Lol
topaz quarry
lol
waxen scroll
i hateeeeeeeee googles call quality and call reliability though
i think its a mix of sprints crappy network and googles bad implimentation
topaz quarry
i hate that they spie on phone calls
because you know they are
they need that add money
I have no proof
but it's Google
waxen scroll
did you know you can see what google thinks you are?
topaz quarry
we can only see what Google lets us see
waxen scroll
it attempts to find your income level and other things
trying to remember what the page was called....
fresh holly
For me it's easy: Estonia -> LOW
fresh holly
Though, in the worldwide context, it's quite high... should not whinge about it.
tame carbon
Get gigabit, play minecraft
tame carbon
minimum network speed for minecraft is about 2mbit/s
thats what I usually account for per slot on a server
fresh holly
"You turned ad personalization off. You can turn it back on to make your ads more useful to you on Google services (such as Search or YouTube)."
oops
waxen scroll
@tame carbon yep. i used to run a server... 2mbit/s per person is if its optimized well
i saw 5mbit/s sometimes
tame carbon
yeah, thats for people who log in, or teleport
rocky badge
@waxen scroll @clear igloo ayyy I was right
tame carbon
you get more chunks/second being tranferred
rocky badge
Tesla does use aruba APs
tame carbon
@waxen scroll original alpha of minecraft needed only 1mbit
waxen scroll
park guest wifi
rocky badge
@waxen scroll getting tesla kek
fresh holly
runescape, those were the days
clear igloo
Runescape is coming to steam soon
little schooner
they are still around?
@waxen scroll I checked that ad settings link and they know a lot of categories that I like but many of them are not really accurate too
i see at least 100
clear igloo
@little schooner Yah, one of the highest grossing f2p style games too if I remember right
orchid shell
help my wifi nor mobile data works on my phone
but ethernet is perfectly fine on my desktop
topaz quarry
sounds like your phone's WNIC are broken
if mobile data isn't working
and wifi aren't working
and your computer has internet
orchid shell
whats WNIC
orchid shell
how do i fix it
topaz quarry
it's the device responsible for wireless comunication
on a modern phone
you probably can't
you would need to de-solder the chip on the motherboard of the phone
and re-solder a new one
or fix the connections leading up to it
orchid shell
i've restarted my phone and internet source twice now
it connects to the wifi but it connects without internet
orchid shell
so my phone is fucked?
topaz quarry
and the phone can't access the internet
but the computer can
yea your phone is fucked
you can try doing a hard reset
orchid shell
how do i do that
topaz quarry
i sincerely doubt there's a setting that lets you connect to wifi
but block internet
look up your phone os and how to hard reset it
it'll delete all of your files
and re-install the OS from scratch
orchid shell
damn
topaz quarry
did you engage in VPN activity on the phone?
orchid shell
no
topaz quarry
did you modify any networking settings outside of which things you connect to?
orchid raven
Can somebody help me with Zabbix Discord Notifications?
orchid shell
i dont think so
topaz quarry
are you running Android?
orchid shell
yes
topaz quarry
so it could be malware
or an app interfering with your network connection
depending on what apps you downloaded
this goes back to the full reset idea
orchid shell
oh wait
i remember
i watched a linus tech tips video on speeding internet up by changing dns servers
i turned private dns on auto
thats what messed with my phone
topaz quarry
okay
so just remove your dns application
you can change your DNS servers within android
orchid shell
it was in settings
topaz quarry
without the help of the app
just use 1.1.1.1
or 9.9.9.9
or 8.8.8.8
as your DNS server
topaz quarry
so
just reset your network settings
you probably fudged your DNS settings
you probably have access to the internet
just not DNS
topaz quarry
so the goal is to fix your DNS settings
when you fix that
the phone's connectivity will work
orchid shell
well i mean wifi works now
topaz quarry
so in your command prompt if you can ping the hostname
then the Pi-Hole is doing it's job
you have to type out the fully qualified hostname for windows to recognize it
you did in fact add the hostnames to your pi hole?
you don't need to us eyour pi-hole as your dhcp server
you need to add the custom host names to your pi-hole
it depends on which version of pi-hole you're on
which version of pi-hole are you on?
yar
just make sure your pihole is your DNS server
or on the list of DNS servers
anytime
waxen scroll
@rocky badge tesla hacked yet?
waxen scroll
bleh
little schooner
So it does reach outside eh
waxen scroll
wat you have HVAC in your garage?
rocky badge
It doesn't go to the garage but it comes up from the garage
waxen scroll
do you not have basement?
waxen scroll
oof
green crest
is there a way to put a vpn on my netgear router?
green crest
why not
topaz quarry
you'll get 10/10 speeds
green crest
what does that mean?
topaz quarry
you will get 10 mbps download
10 mbps upload
it will 1.5 minutes for www.google.com to load
to give you an idea
green crest
Oh, nvm then
little schooner
that netgear router hardware isn't designed to run openvpn on its cpu that is only designed for routing and services they advertised
it will be very slow yes
green crest
Okay, thanks for the heads up
karmic eagle
update: the game also is unable to stream high resolution terrain
if it turns out to be the fault of my network administrator I'm going to be fucking pissed
there's nothing in the network agreement that says this use case is prohibited
it's an unlimited gigabit connection
I paid $90 for this
update 2: possibly not intentional? my university has a website that posts news of like outages and stuff and I see There are currently problems with: Hosted Services Windows Servers - 1 case
I wonder if that has anything to do with it
slow radish
Someone here knows anything about powerlines? I've been having some issues with mine, they're a bit old but in some days they can deliver 5-8MB in other days doesn't get pass 100KB...
unborn sluice
What are those days
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@waxen scroll @clear igloo Oof the Tesla doesn't want to connect to my IoT network but works on a different SSID on the same VLAN
unborn sluice
little schooner
@rocky badge does it use a whitelist or something? Did you try changing DTIM interval to 3 for the Ssid
rocky badge
Idk, I did disable some stuff
and replicated the settings of the temporary SSID I setup
little schooner
It's probably having a bad day
little schooner
Is it? Mine was set to 1
rocky badge
I tried disabling UAPSD and IGMPv3
will try when we get home
So Idk if this fixes it or not
tame carbon
@rocky badge if your client hasnt announced its multicast group, it shouldnt cause extra traffic
and doesn't wifi have support for multicast anyways?
eg = broadcast traffic
raw timber
what to do about a pfsence block me from joing a publick game
peak cloak
Depends on what game
Some games rely on upnp, but that's a pretty big security risk. You can manually port forward too.
raw timber
@peak cloak i was taking about eco and a publice sever so i am not hosting
it
they say it must be my pc
or rouer
rocky badge
Your router still has to allow the ports
raw timber
how
rocky badge
Which is what UPnP does, it temporarily port forwards
raw timber
it enable
tame carbon
UPnP is le bad
raw timber
well i might be hand tid have to use
little schooner
AI upnp might work better or upnp that makes decisions around an ids system
unborn sluice
little schooner
@waxen scroll if I am denied to suggest a change, like changing the logging directory from a ram drive to a datastore, do I just ignore it then?
Change management is so mean.
little schooner
I showed the professor a screenshot of a warning message from the vCenter web gui, which reads: "System logs on host X are stored on non-persistent storage." Out of the 6 hosts in production, this is the only host with this error. The other hosts had this error fixed at some point. I pulled up a VMware support article that describes the procedure to correct the issue. Going into the advanced system settings of the esxi host, and change the logdir parameter from /scratch/log to /datastore/log. I thought it was easy enough to correct instead of simply pressing the "Suppress Warning" button to ignore the problem. I was told that it can not be changed and that all changes need to be proven in a similar lab environment to be considered
But to recreate the lab environment is not possible with what we have....
Its setup in a way that discourages any changes.
waxen scroll
it doesnt need to be proven because its already done
little schooner
That's what I'm saying too. But nope, it is forbidden
and I am denied
even with the proof of the steps by vmware
waxen scroll
how did you sell it in the description?
little schooner
Well not great i guess, because I got denied
I sold it as "hey, i noticed this message here and there is a supporting article that describes how to correct it. Do I have permission to make the change?"
waxen scroll
oof
waxen scroll
is this in a change system or did you just tell someone that
little schooner
im still beginner
I misused change system. By that I meant that I will always ask the person higher than me who manages the same environment instead of doing the research myself and doing the change and later documenting it
I want them to know first if its okay or if there is a reason why thing was left the way it is
That I dont even know about
waxen scroll
yeah, you dont ask, you tell
thats the first mistake
i dont know how your work works but at all of my jobs the people approving changes arent experts in any particular area.... if you go up to them and give them a technical reason and go "can I?" the natural response is IDK im scared, denied.
little schooner
I see.
waxen scroll
instead "I WILL be doing X"
waxen scroll
so heres an example... I want to remove OSPF and convert iBGP peers to point to point addresses.
What change management is told in advance: "Normalize router X with current network standards"
What my change script does: "remove OSPF and convert iBGP peers to point to point addresses"
What my co-workers were told: "remove OSPF and convert iBGP peers to point to point addresses"
What change management was told during live change review (CAB): "I need to normalize router X with current network standards so that it works as expected. I am expecting an outage of 5 seconds to the following network segments [X,Y,Z] which will/will not impact [critical application they care about]"
Nowhere did I ask for anyones permission other than submitting the request
waxen scroll
once you get really good you can make dangerous changes sound like cake, just dont lie about any outage durations
also you said document later
you need all documentation in place before its even submitted
Configuration Plan, Backout Plan, Pre/Post-Validation Plan, Visio drawing if required
little schooner
hm
waxen scroll
it doesnt matter if its 1-2 steps. it covers your ass
little schooner
ouch, I always leave out the Backout Plan and Pre/Post-validation plan lol
ahh i am truly a beginner at this still
waxen scroll
So why do we do a pre-validation?
Actually I do double pre-validations
#1 - the day I complete the change script
#2 - the hour before I start the change
#3 - after the change is in
#3 is post validation
I'm messing with routing protocols.... dont you think its good to capture the states of "show ip ospf nei" and "show bgp all sum" ?
if its not as expected when I start, i need to stop
if its not as expected when I end, I need to backout
So tl;dr you need to claim you're normalizing the settings of the server with the others and come up with some BS fluff like "its so we can support them better", "its so they all work in an expected way"
@clear igloo i almost have PTSD with how strict the change management is at my jobs
lol
little schooner
good points. thank you
topaz quarry
okay
so never use common names for your search domain
like usually search domains are you lastname or the name you gave your network
or both
like name_network
idk why you keep saying conditional forwarding
as long your pi-hole is your DNS server
your computer(s) will ask it to resolve host names
provide screen shots
and clearly white wash important info
rocky badge
@waxen scroll https://blob.rocks/7lqlhl4GLz.png
waxen scroll
oooook
waxen scroll
@rocky badge idk
peak cloak
shouldn't you have only one DNS though? From my understanding the LAN DNS is really what DHCP hands out, but I'm confused about WAN DNS, shouldn't that be a DNS server on the WAN interface. Pi-Hole isn't on the WAN, which could be the problem @thick minnow
rocky badge
Lol
little schooner
@peak cloak mine is setup with the router having a WAN-reachable dns server and dhcp server hands out my router as the DNS server to my lan clients
waxen scroll
@rocky badge what is the change management in your school
rocky badge
idk
little schooner
do they even have one
I can safely say that the dentist office I worked for definitely didnt care
they didnt care that the password for the database is password
waxen scroll
thats the same password on my luggage
peak cloak
we have to change the password basically every month on our account, it's pretty annoying
waxen scroll
@peak cloak me too
little schooner
@waxen scroll A helpdesk admin at the college where the prof I help out used to spell the name of the admin account backwards as the password
I didnt even think to try it but it worked once he told me
I got in trouble for knowing the security cable lock code for the computer labs
The supervisor told me that I wasn't supposed to know that. And that its a risk and she needs to keep track of who knows the code
basically a hit list
maybe she thought i was going to become radical
and do insider damage
like the admin who erased all the cisco webex conference vms
peak cloak
back in middle school, the PARCC (state test) account that we used for taking the test was also a local administor account, so when it asked for the admin account it was just Username: parccc, Password: parccc same with the art account
little schooner
@peak cloak yeah. Im not sure if that was a calculated risk they are fine with or it was oversight
waxen scroll
@little schooner as a network admin its easy to cause insider damage by mistake
little schooner
since it aint a domain admin but...
@waxen scroll yeah thats why she said she doesn't trust me in the datacenter alone
They would press charges against me
little schooner
@waxen scroll funny
peak cloak
It was oversight , they changed it after they realized how people were installing games on the computer since we could go to media center for lunch. @little schooner
topaz quarry
and people were complaining about their Unifi devices being unreacable
little schooner
haha installing games
I remember downloading a few mmos onto the school computers too
ahh that was pretty good
I remember I swapped out the windows xp login sound to play the windows xp remix version
so when they log in you hear the beats go off in the room
was funny
waxen scroll
@little schooner remember. you're the damn boss. You say when changes happen. You decide. Why is a teacher telling you whether or not you can configure logging? Get mad! You dont need ramdisk. You want to burn ramdisks storage down.... with the logs.
little schooner
@waxen scroll I need him to sign off the hours for my class
but after yes I will change how i approach him with changes
using your advice
I find it hard to get mad because I'm not that kind of person
waxen scroll
@hollow marlin I dont need your damn lemons
little schooner
@waxen scroll with time and experience, I hope to understand it better
waxen scroll
its about confidence
little schooner
Yeah i have to work on that lol
rocky badge
@waxen scroll @clear igloo https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupportgore/comments/j0pyfr/ebay/
waxen scroll
why...
unborn sluice
Is it a managed cable or unmanaged
waxen scroll
i havent had a phone in a while now
seems like all the major companies moved to soft phone and you're lucky to get that
most of what I do is on a conference platform so no softphone even needed
i dont have a work phone either... android has work profiles, so i have one phone
hollow marlin
A majority of our profit is from voice and within the past year we have been rolling out softphones left and right. The past 4 months it has almost tripled in revenue due to softphone sales. Businesses cannot justify handsets over software for cost alone
waxen scroll
i dont even use mine
its there purely so i can put it in my signature and a vendor can call it if really needed
xD
chat is the new softphone
most of the time a vendor is setting up a webex meeting anyway
hollow marlin
90% Teams chat
9% Teams/Zoom calls
1% Phone calls with customers
waxen scroll
its super funny cause webex was having some call drop issues for a few days so we basically moved all meetings to teams
aint nobody putting up with that
now that its fixed nobody moved back
hollow marlin
My coworkers and I actually pushed for Discord for chat and voice calls, Teams for meetings with vendors/customers.. Only thing preventing it was no hosted server option
waxen scroll
cant legal hold on discord
also its become a trend to have my emails automatically deleted after 30-90 days
i see what they're trying to do
lol
unborn sluice
oh wait I've seen this
orchid shell
whats some good high speed internet
tame carbon
fiber
unborn sluice
dial up
topaz quarry
carrier pidgeons
misty terrace
ADSL over cotton fiber
topaz quarry
excellent
tame carbon
100% organic internet
unborn sluice
internet but environment friendly
unborn sluice
put on some raincoat my dude
misty terrace
Best part. It's a buried line
oak adder
I am trying to decide on an AP for my network. 3000sq ft+ house. 2 storey. 1 third of the house has a brick wall separating the main house from a rental above the garage.
I currently have a Ubiquiti wired router. I Use a Dlink wireless N router as my AP. Issue I have with this is it seems to be unable to sustain constant load. I have not run network cable through the house yet (Future project) so currently I have 2 pcs, 1 smart tv, 2 chromecasts, 3 cell phones and some consoles on wireless.
I have heard good things about the Ubiquiti AP's. I understand I may need to buy 2 or 3 depending on wireless penetration through that brick wall. My other future project is getting a 24 port switch up and running along with a couple servers. I will be migrating my current plex repository from 2 nas boxes into a sas. Full house networking will then be routed through the main switch.
Any suggestions?
P.S. ping me or DM me if I dont answer promptly.
tame carbon
@unborn sluice c'mon
How you expect me to reply to your DMs
if you have yet to add me.
tame carbon
I'm le waiting
tame carbon
then hit the damn button xD
unborn sluice
waxen scroll
🍿
unborn sluice
tame carbon
-.-
- I cannot reply
- I couldnt reply immediately cus I am at work
- Accept the damn request already.
@unborn sluice ?
unborn sluice
I couldn't reply immediately
tame carbon
I couldnt reply at all :(
meanwhile...
This has been
pending
for a week now
thought we resolved this last time
misty terrace
Don't worry, it has been pending for a month before i canceled it
unborn sluice
@misty terrace can you try again
we'll try to resolve this issue as soon as possible
misty terrace
I can
unborn sluice
but right now we are understaffed
misty terrace
But can you really solve it?
unborn sluice
we also have pending issues like this
lunar spade
I find it odd how my VPN works better on American servers even though i live in Canada
misty terrace
unborn sluice
@misty terrace sir, this is to acknowledge that we received your issue
we would try to solve it as soon as we solved @tame carbon 's issue
misty terrace
Do you have an ETA?
misty terrace
Free tier 
unborn sluice
We value all customers no matter if free tier
but we also have premium customers waiting
little schooner
@misty terrace It works better because they want you to stay on the vpn to record the traffic at the vpn concentrator endpoint
government has its own missions
unborn sluice
i think that's the wrong Z
misty terrace
Every time I hear VPN I run away screaming. So yeah, wrong ping
oak adder
good talk
tame carbon
@misty terrace he's been talking to me in pm for a while now
and everytime I try to send a reply
clyde be like: no you cant do that
tame carbon
instead of just accepting the request like literally everyone else
stupid bot.
stupid privacy settings.
on IRC this stuff was so much easier
misty terrace
Lol
tame carbon
start by accepting
unborn sluice
You're whitelisted
@tame carbon issue is resolved
@misty terrace sir your ticket would be attended next, please stand by
misty terrace
I will
little schooner
put the ticket on the backburner until 2021
waxen scroll
SLA breach
thick minnow
hey Guys - quick quiestion. When you ping your router, what is your average ms?
Just want to compare if my 4ms to my local router is abnormal
misty terrace
thick minnow
That is over wifi. I'm coviding at my parents place. And keepiong myself busy renovating a little cottage on our property that's about 400-420 ft from the switch/ONT feeding internet in the main house.
i am on wifi6 netgear nighthawk mesh network
so ther's a few dynamics going on. a.) cat6 cable length over 100m (~328.084ft) caps at 100 meg/s.
we have cat6 line buried between the main house and this lil cottage. I'm considering running fiber between the locations.
sorry that might sound convoluted, kinda wrapping my head around the network setup all day.
little schooner
my wifi latency is 4.21ms or even 10ms at times
There must be something wrong with this unifi flexhd unit
its slow to fully boot and cuts off internet access when it wants to
rocky badge
@clear igloo Can you tell where the power went out and I forgot to save the switch config so it went back to the saved config and dns1 was down so everything used dns2? https://blob.rocks/CG1u0emSVz.png
clear igloo
Yup, lol
rocky badge
Because I'm a dumbass and forgot to save the switch config where I removed the etherchannel
clear igloo
rip
waxen scroll
hey @little schooner
my route table sends traffic to path #1 but my router sends to path #2 why?
@clear igloo prob loling right now
damn you cisco and your landmines
little schooner
@waxen scroll it's called push as stable release and fix later
But for real, beats me
waxen scroll
nope. it wasnt due to a code bug lmao
little schooner
I'm in class atm
little schooner
@waxen scroll after carefully rereading it, there is probably no link on path #1
hollow marlin
Just lost all connections to Office 365. Shits broke @little schooner fix it plz
little schooner
@hollow marlin Im not seeing the effect over here in my region
but yeah thats really bad
but thats what sla are for right?
oh shoot
now im having the problem
noooooooo!
little schooner
Yeah i am hitting it now
wow terrible...
my prof is going to call me up soon then
or maybe not lol
he uses teams for class
primal ice
yup someone unplugged a router :p
south blade
Ey, any of the FireBog adblock lists that would be more likely to cause me issues on the Amazon app and TractorSupply checkout?
I think I pretty much added them all...
rocky badge
@waxen scroll So I've been digging around more
Older Tesla Model S use an OpenVPN connection to "mothership"
but now Tesla uses a proxy service, "hermes" for telemetry and updates
waxen scroll
lmao y u buy an old model? c'mon
rocky badge
Nah
We got a 2020 model 3
well idk if tesla does 2020 or 2021
but whatever's the newest model of it
it has the updated USB C ports
waxen scroll
i can "afford" a good model 3 but i cant for the life of me pay more than $300/m for a car
xD
rocky badge
lol
waxen scroll
@little schooner you should ask one of your team to put your vmware change in their own as an addon item
hollow marlin
but now Tesla uses a proxy service, "hermes" for telemetry and updates
@rocky badge god I read that wrong at first
rocky badge
lol
tribal pulsar
@rocky badge dam havnt seen you in a while
bitter halo
hi guys i got a simple question to ask. Ive set up a mesh wifi network along with my old router, so now i have 2 different wifi networks. will this be slower than having one wifi network instead ?
idrk much about networking btw lol
topaz quarry
no
cedar igloo
can anyone recommend a wireless receiver that can provide network access to a switch?
is there a way to do this with a spare router? act as a wifi extender but use the network ports for data access?
ornate jungle
You're looking for something known as a "Wireless Bridge" (or almost any router capable of running OpenWRT or an equivalent.) It "sucks" in WiFi and outputs an ethernet connection.
Bear in mind that if the WiFi signal is crappy where you wish to install it, all the wired connections it provides will also be crappy.
cedar igloo
ok, thanks. I am getting about 80% signal strength (whatever that means) using my phone so that should be ok i think
waxen saddle
O365 issues started yesterday. Unless they fixed it and something else broke horribly.
@bitter halo As long as they 2 different wifi networks are on completely separate wifi channels, you should be fine. (No, having one on "channel 2" and the other one "channel 3" doesn't count - you need to space them out a bit)
@cedar igloo You can totally do this. Just set the spare wifi router LAN IP address to a static IP address (I usually go with one up from your main router). Also disable DHCP on the router and you should be pretty much good to go.
peak cloak
@cedar igloo you would want it in bridge mode though, so it does not perform NAT
you don't want double-NAT
waxen saddle
You don't use the WAN port at all. There's nothing to NAT.
unborn sluice
you don't want double-NAT
peak cloak
oh I misread
waxen scroll
@hollow marlin you always wanna double bag when it gets sketchy
jaunty talon
Getting there, almost ready to start serving users! :)
lethal marlin
Geez, how much did all that cost
jaunty talon
Not that bad, network(spine+access switches, wifi)+dwdm around 600k USD
20x switches (Juniper QFX5120-48T and EX4300-48MP) (12x 10G GBase-T with 6x100G and 8x mGIG with 2x 100G)
2x spine switches (32x 100G) (Juniper QFX5120-32C)
4x DWDM 400G -> 4x100G (Huawei DC908)
95x WIFI6 Accesspoints (Mist AP43)
jaunty talon
Well it's going to serve a 200 employee office
lethal marlin
To be fair that is one of the cheapest ones I’ve seen
jaunty talon
Well even more fun is that it's just SPINE :D
But mostly since we wanted 10G access for our workstations
waxen scroll
heh
jaunty talon
And redundancy
waxen scroll
i mean if you Po all the workstations i guess... otherwise...
jaunty talon
No we dont :)
waxen scroll
oof
jaunty talon
Just wanted redundant "core"
waxen scroll
you should Po for during business hours maintenance
whats the dwdm for?
going to carrier hotel?
jaunty talon
To our datacenter