networking

[topaz quarry]

or it just straight up has legendary problems

[plain siren]

All of this is backed by CloudOps, Software Engineers, DevOps, and Infra Engineers

if you check credits for lots of the projects, its huge

top it all off, lots of this stuff is written in Rust

[topaz quarry]

so like mass adoption although important

isn't necessarily a key factor

at one point windows was everywhere

[plain siren]

This isnt about mass adoption

[topaz quarry]

i vote that was stupid

[plain siren]

https://opencontainers.org/

This is about Alliances, Initiatives, and standards

[topaz quarry]

i know what's missing

simplicity

like if I typed 1+1

we would hopefully type 2

now the math behind that in base 10 to express why that happens to be true

would destroy us all

there's no 1+1 yet in ochestration

[plain siren]

https://microk8s.io/

Yus there is

[topaz quarry]

also after protobuffer

everytime i see Google created it

or participated

it loses brownie points

[plain siren]

https://github.com/kubernetes/minikube

[topaz quarry]

okay so 1+1 can be calculated on any medium

k8s lacks this property

[plain siren]

Then you cannot forget things like OpenNebula which will deploy Kubernetes and control K8s and the pods from it easily

k8s does

why do you think I use k3s

its literally k8s but.... turnkey

[topaz quarry]

except on LXC

1+1 can be calculated on any medium

k8s is close

[plain siren]

LXC is... really a dead concept thanks to MicroVM's and SmartOS

[topaz quarry]

so the problem is that . . .

most people who self-host

use proxmox

which means . . .

[plain siren]

Have you seen the community recently?

Everyone is passing around ESXi keys for the new releases....

People are running k3s/k3os on raspis

for shits and giggles

we got clustered PiHole

[topaz quarry]

everytime someone asks on this server it's like is proxmox good?

[plain siren]

proxmox is trash

There I said it

[topaz quarry]

well guess what

k8s has to run on trash

[plain siren]

And its dying

as trash

[topaz quarry]

making these decisions makes it difficult for k8s to actually be appreciated

like the rancher guy calls k8s a cult

he's not wrong

[plain siren]

it is

But the cult is...

the entire industry

The real answer is this:

Its the next evolutional step

so its no surprise it basically replaces Microservices hosted on VM style bs

[topaz quarry]

btw VMWare's appauling violations

and unwlllingness to make VMWare free to consumers

is causing a lot of this dumb

like sure makes business pay for it

but they're forcing people who care into a decision of back breaking work or piracy

[plain siren]

https://www.vmug.com/membership/membership-benefits

https://www.vmug.com/membership/vmug-advantage-membership

[topaz quarry]

that's still like $200 a year

[plain siren]

.>

I could just dump the master keys

[topaz quarry]

lol don't

[plain siren]

We have all of them

[unborn sluice]

$200 advantage

[plain siren]

all of them

[topaz quarry]

like legit VMWare has so many DoD contracts

[unborn sluice]

Do you have esxi

🏴‍☠️

[topaz quarry]

they could afford to let developers use it for small clusters

but noooooo

[plain siren]

VMWare NSX Networking actually has BGP and the Failover support

[topaz quarry]

this would bother me less if they didn't have so many GPL violations

and perform weirdo tactics with the linux foundation

[plain siren]

https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-vSphere/7.0/rn/vsphere-esxi-vcenter-server-7-vsphere-with-kubernetes-release-notes.html

And vSphere now has Kubernetes Plugin

with OpenNebula its stupid easy

[topaz quarry]

like i know i'm not crazy

esxi existed 10 years ago

and UnRaid still exists for some reason

big brain moments

[plain siren]

Unraid needs to die

Atleast with shit like k3s or CRI-O as Runtime, you have ZFS Native Backend Support

• S3, HDFS, NFS, SMB...

Tbh, i think the complexity you are running into that frustrates you is not K8s

[topaz quarry]

like nebula + esxi literally just targets huge enterprise

[plain siren]

Its the runtime

Its also ran by homelabbers

massively

[topaz quarry]

1+1 has a pretty complicated runtime

it's literally hundreds of pages

[plain siren]

Container Engine gives an Orchestrator control for things like Lifecycle, Container Image Loading/Verification, Resource Monitoring, Allocation/Isolation/Deallocation of resources

Your orchestrator in this case is k8s

The container engine here is runc

[topaz quarry]

i mean i understand how an application is isolated

and the ochestration

it just doesn't glue together

[plain siren]

That it does

thats the whole point

k8s is the glue

it ties in the Networking

it ties in the registry

it ties in the storage

it ties in the deployment

[topaz quarry]

i'll understand it

i'll just end up making my own ochestrator in the process

[plain siren]

Good luck

make it OCI Spec

so you can mix and match that too

see how lovely this is

[unborn sluice]

Then donate it to cloud native foundation

[tame carbon]

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png

[plain siren]

1 Universal Standard, 15 options is the goal here

[unborn sluice]

1 Linux, different distro

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-gif-8869638

[topaz quarry]

well

considering i'm probably just going to spam docker/podman

it'll be OCI compatible

but being denoted may have some heavy strings attached to it

like everyone paying up for all of their GPL violations

[plain siren]

why not like... just run Rancher v1 or...

Portainer

It can just do it all

[topaz quarry]

kubernetes lacks transparency

[plain siren]

K8s..

[topaz quarry]

i've used portainer with k8s

[plain siren]

what

Like what kind of transparency

there is a full spec system

[topaz quarry]

when it comes to technologies it is non-opinionated and transparent

when it comes to usability it's shrowded by something

protobufer suffers from the same problem :/

[plain siren]

Its shrouded by the fact there is no alternative options yet

Its simply the first face of new

[topaz quarry]

that's fair

[plain siren]

it changed the paradigm

The "right way" suddenly gave way

next thing you know..

it blew up

[topaz quarry]

see that's one of the problemos

there is no right way

it's supposed to be based on workload and preference

i was that kid in math class

that said no math teacher

my way is usable too

[plain siren]

One size fits all my dude.

The fact is, we nailed the microservice architecture with this

The performance gains were insane

density toppled over amazingly

[topaz quarry]

microservices as a pattern, i agree with

i dont' disagree with the concepts behind kubernetes

[plain siren]

And I can be a dbag and say this

[topaz quarry]

i just diagree with kubernetes

[plain siren]

my way the right way

[topaz quarry]

that's fair

[plain siren]

looks at AWS

[topaz quarry]

my answer to that is

AWS is wrong

mind explosion

[plain siren]

laughs to the bank covered in billions of USD

[topaz quarry]

lol that's fair

but just keep in mind the principles behind AWS literally contradcit federated clouds

[tame carbon]

one of my software architecture teachers gave you a bad grade if you didnt use microservices

even though, the context we were in, didnt call for microservices

[plain siren]

Well if were being 100% honest here

Its the money maker

and its the future

you wanna make money in that field

its this way now

[topaz quarry]

watch me set the field on fire

[tame carbon]

🔥 🔥 🚒

[plain siren]

Too late

Its already burnt to the ground

[tame carbon]

💨

[topaz quarry]

keep in mind my ideology

would have public IP infastructure become a thing of the past

and have a truly federated internet

true security

[plain siren]

https://cloudflare-ipfs.com/ipns/ipfs.io/

[misty terrace]

until the usa pretend to be the head of everything, i doubt we'll get to something like this

[topaz quarry]

i'll just pretend China and Austrilia don't exist

they can have their own internet

[plain siren]

APNIC, RIPE, etc with IETF/IEEE run the show

[misty terrace]

and NSA add their own magic touch

[topaz quarry]

in a true federated internet

[plain siren]

The problem here is: The amount of infra that needs to be supported is more costly than the US Military

[topaz quarry]

the NSA can't actually do anything

[tame carbon]

russia?

[plain siren]

NSA would be another user

its the DOD that plays around here

[topaz quarry]

russia is fine

[tame carbon]

We let russia join once we fix BGP

[plain siren]

Russia cant even keep their own shit running

I doubt they pose much of a threat

[topaz quarry]

we them to pirate VMWare for poor people

[plain siren]

Yeah and they also do crazy hardware shit

I like that

[topaz quarry]

VMWare can save face

while poor devs can get their stuff

[plain siren]

https://t.me/s/vmware_collection

whoops

[misty terrace]

ah yes, telegram. the source of all warez

if you don't consider torrent

[topaz quarry]

i'll just mod proxmox to be esxi

it's fine

[plain siren]

Or just never use a T1 Hypervisor

like a real G

[unborn sluice]

type 0 hypervisor is the future

bios hypervisor

[plain siren]

I mean

thats bare metal

[tame carbon]

you can also trim a kernel down to 10MB

use kvm,and go

[unborn sluice]

thats bare metal
no no

you go to the hypervisor by pressing DELETE or F10 (or whatever tf)

[plain siren]

@tame carbon http://unikernel.org/

[topaz quarry]

only microkernels

containers the OS

[unborn sluice]

an OS where everything is ring 0

[tame carbon]

@plain siren so.. unikernels.. takes all the essential components your software needs to run, and generates a binary package for that?

which is 'full stack'

drivers, libraries, kernel

[plain siren]

basically

its the key to microvms

[tame carbon]

hm

only thing that I've done

that gets even close to something like that

was with https://buildroot.org/

C application

ontop a tiny tiny linux system

to be flashed directly onto a pi

Buildroot is nice, because you can completely configure your entire linux and OS

and generate a complete system :)

[plain siren]

I use buildroot a ton

[tame carbon]

@plain siren friend of mine introduced me to it

[plain siren]

https://github.com/linuxkit/linuxkit Heres another fun one of those

[tame carbon]

after showing me some of the development he did in Erlang

for networking appliances

[plain siren]

LinuxKit is buildroot pretty much but

[tame carbon]

NXP

[plain siren]

its built with containers

[tame carbon]

I believe was the company

@plain siren immutable linux systems?

[plain siren]

Yup

[tame carbon]

does it do PDE ?

[plain siren]

When I hear PDE...

what do you mean in specific

[tame carbon]

PIE*

[plain siren]

No because containers

[tame carbon]

sorry

[plain siren]

Sadly

kernel:
  image: linuxkit/kernel:5.4.39
  cmdline: "console=tty0 console=ttyS0 console=ttyAMA0 console=ttysclp0"
init:
  - linuxkit/init:v0.8
  - linuxkit/runc:v0.8
  - linuxkit/containerd:v0.8
  - linuxkit/ca-certificates:v0.8
onboot:
  - name: sysctl
    image: linuxkit/sysctl:v0.8
  - name: sysfs
    image: linuxkit/sysfs:v0.8
  - name: format
    image: linuxkit/format:v0.8
  - name: mount
    image: linuxkit/mount:v0.8
    command: ["/usr/bin/mountie", "/var/lib/docker"]
services:
  - name: getty
    image: linuxkit/getty:v0.8
    env:
     - INSECURE=true
  - name: rngd
    image: linuxkit/rngd:v0.8
  - name: dhcpcd
    image: linuxkit/dhcpcd:v0.8
  - name: ntpd
    image: linuxkit/openntpd:v0.8
  - name: docker
    image: docker:19.03.8-dind
    capabilities:
     - all
    net: host
    mounts:
     - type: cgroup
       options: ["rw","nosuid","noexec","nodev","relatime"]
    binds:
     - /etc/resolv.conf:/etc/resolv.conf
     - /var/lib/docker:/var/lib/docker
     - /lib/modules:/lib/modules
     - /etc/docker/daemon.json:/etc/docker/daemon.json
    command: ["/usr/local/bin/docker-init", "/usr/local/bin/dockerd"]
files:
  - path: var/lib/docker
    directory: true
  - path: etc/docker/daemon.json
    contents: '{"debug": true}'
trust:
  org:
    - linuxkit
    - library

btw

heres a YML

this builds an OS

[tame carbon]

nice

yeah you got everything

I mean, all you need is kernel + initscript

your initscript may as well be your application

[plain siren]

Thats why I love alpine linux

[tame carbon]

@plain siren last fall, was in class, some colleague was busy on his laptop, its whizzing and almost taking off

I asked him: huh, that's an interesting desktop, what distro are you using?

gentoo

his laptop was whizzing cus he was compiling LibreOffice xD

[plain siren]

Fucking ew

[tame carbon]

craziest was the one guy with NixOS

meanwhile, I'm a casual with an ancient ubuntu distro, with half the stuff removed from kernel config

I just rebuild the distro kernel

[unborn sluice]

NixOS

[nova igloo]

Can I use 2xSimplex SingleMode fiber as 1xDuplex SingleMode?

[tame carbon]

its either two wavelengths on single fiber, with simplex connectors on a BiDi interface

or, duplex fibers with one wavelength per fiber

[hollow marlin]

There is no Simplex vs Duple SM fiber. SM fiber is SM fiber

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin yeah, but you can set up a two way fiber link using just simplex

the one singlemode fiber, carries both RX and TX, just on different wavelengths

[hollow marlin]

yes, I know that

[tame carbon]

but there's no way to go from simplex to duplex, since you'd need some kind of prism splitter

[hollow marlin]

My assumption is they wanted to use two SM fibers for a duplex SFP

[tame carbon]

which would work?

if I use ethtool to read SFP data on my BiDi interfaces, it only lists the TX wavelength (unrelated, just interesting fact)

[hollow marlin]

If the tool does show both Rx and Tx I would never use the tool again

[tame carbon]

l4z0rs

[hollow marlin]

We are maybe 90% BiDi and now moving to DWDM tunables for our POP transports. I prefer BiDi where possible but thats only up to 10g. Less risk with OSP knocking out a fiber when working in the panels

[nova igloo]

Oh, I see. Malaysia fiber network use BiDi simplex. Kinda proud whole Malaysia are having FTTB network :), but the cost are low since our country are small.

[hollow marlin]

Simplex is cheaper not just for the patches but the actual fiber count needing to be ran on the poles/buried

But still only limited to 10g which the the only downside

I guess inventory too as you have to keep spares of each wavelength

[nova igloo]

Actually I think 10G are good enough, even 1G.

[hollow marlin]

Home use yes, enterprise and ISP no.

Even with multiple 10g links and ECMP, multiple flows could match a single link and exceed 10g easy

[nova igloo]

Home use yes, enterprise and ISP no.
@hollow marlin Yeah ofc

Even with multiple 10g links and ECMP, multiple flows could match a single link and exceed 10g easy
@hollow marlin Use DWDM, nearly no max out

[hollow marlin]

DWDM is duplex but yes, they are designed to utilize multiple WL over the same fibers

[waxen scroll]

@little schooner lets play eve-ng

[tame carbon]

I have a BiDi on my FttH

10G or 40G multimode is used a lot in datacenters no?

from switch to server rack?

[hollow marlin]

All FTTH is BiDi. MM is used quite a bit but many are moving over to SM because prices are so similar

[waxen scroll]

@topaz quarry many of us do BGP. what broke?

[topaz quarry]

oh, i'm trying to figure out the best way to route stuff to my k8s cluster in failover mode

i'm not sure if L4 load balancing or just creating multiple routes is the answer

[nova igloo]

Any suggested DDOS protection (BGP) around Malaysia?

[topaz quarry]

I've heard from people that clearly know moret han me that L4 load balancing can have a bad experience

in what circumstances i'm not entirely sure

[waxen scroll]

@nova igloo prolexic

they have a center in singapore

[nova igloo]

they have a center in singapore
@waxen scroll ~10ms ping

I think it's acceptable

its just 0.01s

[waxen scroll]

so honestly ive done 0 investigation into k8s so im not able to understand what solution is needed. im assuming at the end of the day you have HTTP or something. What's your thought process on how BGP would solve your load balancing needs?

I'd jump right to L4 myself

curious why its a bad experience for k8 but not anything else

[nova igloo]

so honestly ive done 0 investigation into k8s so im not able to understand what solution is needed. im assuming at the end of the day you have HTTP or something. What's your thought process on how BGP would solve your load balancing needs?
@waxen scroll He want it for redundancy

[waxen scroll]

so redundancy and load balancing arent the same thing. he said he wants to balance

you get a sort of redundancy by balancing but actual redundancy might be multiple datacenters

@topaz quarry end of the day the internet isnt always right. its full of people with bad views and ideas. I'm not a saint myself. You should always test the solutions and see how the performance is for you.

L4 could work fine and people dont know what they're talking about

i wouldnt put it past someone to run a virtual F5 on 1gb ram and 1 core to turn around and blast L4 balancing on a forum because of course the F5 was working as intended

😷

[nova igloo]

And you need a redundancy for F5 😆

[waxen scroll]

correct

[nova igloo]

And It cause an infinity loop, = high ping

[waxen scroll]

and if you want to go all in you need two GTMs to make the redundant F5s redundant

[topaz quarry]

alright, so for someone who recently understands L4 and L7 load balancing

i have no idea what a gtm is

and the only time i've heard F5 is in reference load balancing, and the word expensive was put next to it

lol do you have any resources

i swear i can learn, it's just a lot of info

[waxen scroll]

so your load balancer has a VIP right

or did i just lose you

[topaz quarry]

do you mean VRRP virtual IPs?

like when you expose a virtual IP to clients

[waxen scroll]

yeah, sorta.... you make a server pool and those servers hide behind one VIP that your clients use to talk to the app

a GTM expands that... so you have a VIP in tokyo datacenter and a VIP in chicago

a GTM can change DNS resolutions based on a whole number of things

so all of your VIPs are in a GTM pool

when people DNS your site the request goes to the GTM to answer it

[topaz quarry]

okay so in this context VIP does in fact mean virtual IP

[waxen scroll]

it does

[topaz quarry]

or does it stand for something else? networking has to many acronyms

okay, what is GTM?

so the ability to dynamically change DNS resolution is the bingo ticket

like if server A goes aaaaaaa

but server B can serve the same content

changing the DNS resolution to swap to B would be helpful

[waxen scroll]

Global Traffic Manager (DNS load balancing / redundancy)
Local Traffic Manager (what people mostly mean when saying "F5". Provides VIPs in a local datacenter to load balancer local servers)

[topaz quarry]

okay now do LTM and GTM make the same promises as VRRP?

like when one router goes down, all the clients still get the same gateway IP

so it acts like nothing happened even though chaos ensued

lol how do i start playing with this stuff on linux

[nova igloo]

LZdanger, you network engineer? Sounds professional.

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo I can't wait to move this MC server from my home R620 to a colo'ed R210ii

[topaz quarry]

lol i'm watching this video on f5 and it just smeels like nginx

[waxen scroll]

Yeah I do net eng professionally

Yes, when one dies its the same IP

[tame carbon]

pretty sure you can do failover on a mtik too

even if not directly

you can script events into it

[topaz quarry]

so like i'm trying to deal with the situation when the proxy dies

like if nginx is like bro i'm done

and i need to fail over doing like VRRP

[tame carbon]

if its just http

http://www.haproxy.org/

[topaz quarry]

right

but what about when haproxy dies

[tame carbon]

you can do this on network level, or software

but at some point

some endpoint will have to take over

unless

you have like, a completely seperate stack somewhere

and announce different route

[topaz quarry]

yea like if I have an out of band network

and nodes can tap out

or in the case of VRRP just fail over

[tame carbon]

I've not really got much experience with carrier grade networks

[topaz quarry]

like something such as literally just shoving stuff on a L2 backbone so stuff can failover

with a front facing L3 proxy network

[tame carbon]

dont need a fancy protocol for that though ;)

[topaz quarry]

no, but i want it to be automated

lol i'm considering just using etcd

[tame carbon]

Most crude form of failover

[topaz quarry]

and having each node poll the distributed database

[tame carbon]

is a local machine

that just has bunch of scripts

that it runs in case something happens

[topaz quarry]

i mean that's basically what i'm going to do with etcd

but i was hoping this problem was already solved :/

etcd and redis support using TTL for keys

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll can't play, my internship paper needs to be completed by 11:59 pm tonight

[topaz quarry]

so like i was thinking of putting a TTL of acceptable failover time for each node

[little schooner]

I am reviewing it and make some changes here and there

[topaz quarry]

what's your paper on?

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin what are you doing in eve-ng to make 600k BGP tables?

this used to be so easy in virl

[nova igloo]

@topaz quarry https://serverfault.com/questions/8507/proxy-failover-solution

It's basically a clustering solution

[topaz quarry]

how do i use it?

is it just built into the kernel?

[little schooner]

@topaz quarry technical paper about departmental procedures of one I am not working for.

So if I'm scripting with an appliance, I can't talk about what I'm doing in my department

Has to be others like shipping, business, hr etx

It's weird because the said we get 0 if we talk about our department

[nova igloo]

For this I'm not sure, but have a look on Ubuntu High Availability

[little schooner]

Our department isn't talked about until the last paper

So it's kinda hard

[nova igloo]

It's business secret, that's not weird

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll on the flip side, my leadership class professor is talking about his trip to Brazil for the last 10 minutes

He goes on tangents so often

I wonder if he's just bored

Lol and he stopped recording the class lecture while he went on tangent and restarts it

[hollow marlin]

@waxen scroll I used ExaBGP for full tables but every time I tested it I could only get 20k routes before the images stopped accepting new ones. Thats for the IOS images, gave up before trying with CSR

[prime timber]

Can someone help me with my internet situation

I have 2 routers. 1 is on one side of the house and the other is on the other end. Router 2 is wired into router 1 with ethernet. Router 2 gives off wifi and stuff and works but is SUPER slow. What is the key to getting Router 1 speeds to Router 2 so its the same speeds across both routers?

[topaz quarry]

so wifi is a fun story

you have to look for available channels for the 2.5 Ghz and 5.0 Ghz bands

and then put your two Acess Points in the correct channels

you also don't want two routers

you want two access points and one router

@waxen scroll i figured out my problem

i combined the two answers with google fu

VRRP + Ha Proxy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NizRDkTvxZo

[prime timber]

The 5g always sucks though when you move around. So i should buy an access point instead of using the 2nd router? I have my ps4/pc wired into the 2nd router. Can i still do that with an access point?

[topaz quarry]

most routers have an AP mode

so if you have two routers

make sure one of them is in AP mode

5g doesn't have to suck

if you're relying on 2.4 Ghz for everything

your two (router/AP) combo devices are probably yelling out packets and fighting each other

[prime timber]

Its been setup for years but i remember changing a setting to where it can no longer be used as a “router” anymore and it just mirrors the ip off router 1.

I think router 2 might be in the AP mode

Like im wired into router 2 but on my pc it shows router 1s info.

And yeah the only wifi we use is 2.4

[topaz quarry]

if router 1 is in router mode

and box 2 is in AP mode

[prime timber]

Yeah its not ever been touched

[topaz quarry]

then yes your computer would show router 1's IP as your default gateway

[prime timber]

Cause its the router from my isp

[topaz quarry]

well you see

people install new APs

and it messes with your signal

it's called the noisy neighbor problem

it has an entire set of maths behind it

the noisy neighbor could be an airport nearby

an extra police cruiser signal

your actual neighbor

one of the emergency broadcast signals

it all depends on how any of this is setup

[prime timber]

So what do i need to do to get the same speeds wired/wireless to each end of the house

[topaz quarry]

unless your cable is broken

[prime timber]

Just an access point or an AP and a better router/modem

[topaz quarry]

and you're using ethernet

[prime timber]

Would using my own equipment make it better

[topaz quarry]

then they probably have a 1000/1000 connection to each other

using your own wifi solution will always beet whatever spews out of the modem

[prime timber]

The isp router/modem is good for 1gig we get 400mbps

[topaz quarry]

so

over wifi

you will not

get over 430 Mbps

ever on 5.0 Ghz

doing 1000/1000 over air as a medium requires so much expertise and money

it's not worth it unless you're a mall or a business that genuinely needs Gigabit wifi

you will get gigabit over ethernet though

[prime timber]

Im just trying to get 400 on all wired devices like my ps4/pc and brothers pc

[topaz quarry]

then just wire the house

[prime timber]

The wifi stuff its not a big deal

Ao what all do i need to get then to get 400 speeds to all my wired stuff

[topaz quarry]

in each room, have an ethernet drop

and if you want to connect it to more than one device

put a switch in each room that needs more than one device on it

[prime timber]

What could i do about getting wifi to the other end though

[topaz quarry]

in each room use the ethernet drop

and connect it to an AP

in every room you need wifi just put a small AP

[prime timber]

So each room have an AP?

[topaz quarry]

you want consistent wifi

in a house that a pita

that's how you do it

my house has rebar and concrete

[prime timber]

Couldnt i just use one AP and run ethernet off it to each room

[topaz quarry]

an access point is literally a wifi thing

those consumer boxes you see are a router, a switch, and an ap in one box

one modem -> one router -> (n ethernet drops) -> (n APs)

sometimes it's one (modem/router) combo -> (n ethernet drops) -> (n APs)

[prime timber]

Ok

I think i got it

[topaz quarry]

you can try to play games by not buying n APs and target the zones you care about

but in my case VOIP phone calls are important in my house on wifi

so literally people have to be able to walk around the house and not have the call drop :/

[prime timber]

Honestly i might just keep the setup i have now but run ethernet runs off the isp router to each room for the wired devices

Would be easier?

[topaz quarry]

yes, wifi is complicated

[prime timber]

Cause the only wifi stuff we have is phones and tablets

And like a chromecast thing

[topaz quarry]

then your system looks like (modem/router) combo -> (n ethernet drops)

[prime timber]

Correct

[topaz quarry]

if a room needs more than one device per room

then you need a switch in that room

[prime timber]

Ok that makes it way easier cause one room already has ethernet drops off isp router

[topaz quarry]

if you find someone desperatly needs wifi

install wifi in that room

[prime timber]

True

Thanks for help man

[topaz quarry]

anytime

[prime timber]

What ethernet cables should i buy though

Like what rated speeds?

[topaz quarry]

are you running them in your house?

like in between the walls?

[prime timber]

I have 2 cat5 ones currently

[topaz quarry]

if you live the US we have a fire code for this

and you have to use very specific cables

if you have coax

and that's not how you receive internet

you can use this https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Adapter-Ethernet-2-Pack-MM1002/dp/B078HMDDVS/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1F7I90V5D5CNO&dchild=1&keywords=moca+motorola&qid=1600902731&sprefix=moca+moto%2Caps%2C170&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExRVVUM1dNTldYQlcmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA4Mzg1MTYxMlYzQlo1NTJMM0lXJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA3NTkwMjgyMFZWSFVJRjNPQlA4JndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

1 master node, n children nodes

[peak cloak]

Expensive

Cheaper to run ethernet

In a house that is

If you have a bunch of existing infastructure then it may cheaper than running ethernet

[topaz quarry]

it depends on what numbers the contractor gives

or if he does it himself

ethernet is always better

moca is last ditch solution

[waxen scroll]

eh

you'd pay someone $300 min to get one wire run

[peak cloak]

at home I do everything myself

low voltage wiring that is

don't trust myself for high-voltage, plus all the codes

[waxen scroll]

i do until i dont

paid someone $600 to drop 4 cables in my attic once

and thats with me doing most of the work in getting the wire to the attic entrance

everyone else wanted $1600+ and was talking like it was an all day job

[deft pasture]

anyone here successfully use a switch with sfp ports for fios residential?

[peak cloak]

why would it not work @deft pasture

it's just a switch

[waxen scroll]

@peak cloak big brains only

[peak cloak]

?

[deft pasture]

@peak cloak because as of right now it goes into a Verizon ONT that goes out to ethernet

[peak cloak]

you need a router

[deft pasture]

I don't know if that ONT plays a role in authorization

I have a router

I'm not worried about that

[peak cloak]

between the switch and ONT?

[deft pasture]

Right now it goes

Fiber->ONT -> router->switch

[peak cloak]

ok, that looks good. what's the problem?

[deft pasture]

I want to take my fiber and go directly into the switch and hook my router up to the switch

Switch is layer 3 so

[peak cloak]

you can't, FiOS uses a GPON network and the ONT is needed for authentication as well I think

[deft pasture]

I guessed that but I recently saw people doing bonded fiber where they get 2gbps

That's why I was asking if anyone here has done it

I plan on making my new house at least 2.5gpbs internally

[peak cloak]

Some ISP's let you do it, but not FiOS

[deft pasture]

Ugh

Ain't that a bitch.

Thanks for your help

Maybe it's a business only thing?

They don't allow for residential?

[peak cloak]

idk, I don't think so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WWO_4p4UP0

this guy was able to, but it's not fios, their ISP clearly supports it

[plain siren]

@deft pasture which ISP?

ATT has 802.11 EAP AUTH over VLAN 0 between modem and ONT

Which was bypass able.

Oh verizon. You probably can ditch the router in same method if you look around.

[ornate jungle]

Thank you for that video @peak cloak - we're not with Telus at the moment, but should we ever switch... this is perfect. ❤️ Cause ain't nobody got time to deal with ISP provided potatos equipment.

[lethal marlin]

Fibre big F

[deft pasture]

@plain siren FIOS

[lethal marlin]

Apparently 2 million FTTN households in Australia will be allowed to upgrade to FTTP for free soon

That would be nice

Because copper is shit

[plain siren]

Yeah then ONT most likely has auth between the modem and it.

If you can find a way in, it would be easy to find out what's going on.

I'll have to look around

I had to extract the certs from my att modem and then use wpa_supplicant to auth

[lethal marlin]

What are the best DSL modem/router/access point combos under $60 usd

[ornate jungle]

On one hand, I understand why ISPs opt to authorize through their equipment, at least from a user experience standpoint - the ISP can then troubleshoot the connection up to their equipment, preventing them from every having to hold the difficult conversation about "unsupported" equipment with the customer.

But on the other hand... I just wish that ISPs also offered an "I'm an advanced user" waiver of sorts for those of us who wish to bypass their equipment with better hardware.

[peak cloak]

On the other hand, why do you need to bypass the ONT

FiOS provides a maximum of almost gigabit and you can do that over cat6 to your own router

[thorny vector]

But on the other hand... I just wish that ISPs also offered an "I'm an advanced user" waiver of sorts for those of us who wish to bypass their equipment with better hardware.
@ornate jungle What is this dream world you speak of? Next you'll be suggesting they not block any ports too!

[peak cloak]

Optimum by default blocks ports 80 and 25, but surprisingly lets you open them from their online portal

which is nice for me

[unborn sluice]

Allow a toggle switch for a DMZ like functionality

Can open any port

[thorny vector]

If I could get 25 open, I'd be so happy.

It's literally the one thing preventing me from moving 100% off of cloud services

[peak cloak]

unlike FiOS's TOS, which say you cannot run any server, optimum's says that you can only run email and web servers

but Optimum has gone down in quality ever since Altice bought it

what sucks is that you are forced to pay for thier gateway it seems if you are buying their service now. You can probobly get they charge off if you call though

[topaz quarry]

i mean they can't stop you from doing it

they can only stop you from opening up ports

use zero-tier

[peak cloak]

yeah

[topaz quarry]

fight the powa

just do a reverse proxy into your system

using a randomly high port or a SD-WAN solution like zero-tier

i know wendell has a video on how to do it

[unborn sluice]

Use zerotier to expose every port

[topaz quarry]

when you sign up for linode account with wendell's thing you get a warning email

about opening up ports for email

[peak cloak]

I don't want to run an email server, too much hassle

[topaz quarry]

if you use docker/podman

all things become trivial

[peak cloak]

If anything I want to setup a server notification system

with android push notifications about critical things

[thorny vector]

@peak cloak I have documentation for that somewhere

What're you monitoring?

[peak cloak]

nothing yet, eventually want to use influxdb and grafana to moniter cpu usage, ram usage, status of VM's, how much data is going though my router

[thorny vector]

Splunk's your answer

Get it to ingest your data, then generate alerts that push notifications to slack. It's what I do for my stuff.

[peak cloak]

thanks, I 'll look into it

[topaz quarry]

splunk is cool answer

until you have to much data

then splunk is no longer cool answer

[plain siren]

https://www.fluentd.org

[peak cloak]

oh, I may use that for log collection. I was looking for something to do that

[nova igloo]

Because copper is shit
@lethal marlin Yeah, made your house strike by storm easily

[lethal marlin]

Ummmmmmm

Yeah

That’s what I meant

Sure

[unborn sluice]

[strong violet]

I have a 2gbps internet connection but the ISP router only supports 1gb per port. I also have an RB4011 and some devices on a 10g network, so I am looking at ways to get the full 2gb speed by using some sort of bonding. The ISP router doesn't support lag. Is there anything I can do on my Mikrotik router to get around this?

So far I have the Mikrotik router set up in router mode and bonding set up on two lan parts as WAN. But I can't get it to go above 1gb.

I was hoping there may be some sort of VLAN witchcraft

[hallow nimbus]

What if you plug ur 2Gbit isp line into a 10Gbit port 👀

I think that works

[strong violet]

In fairness, I haven't tried that (I would need to buy another optical transceiver). But I doubt that would work in any case. ISPs tend to only recognise their own hardware.

And I won't know the settings to apply.

[peak cloak]

Spoof the Mac?

[strong violet]

Interesting. If I could get it to look like a different mac on each port that could help

But how do I do that?

[peak cloak]

I honestly don't know. I was just giving an idea.

[plain siren]

@strong violet Who is your ISP.

I can prob dig around and check to see what sort of trickery they do

and see if we can pretend to be their AIO Modem

[strong violet]

Viewqwest

in Singapore

[plain siren]

VLAN 923

Thats the public network access to the PON, hehe, Maybe this is doable. Ill be back with results

[strong violet]

Interesting

[hollow marlin]

I doubt you will be able to bypass it even if you know the mgmt VLAN. PON is usually setup with authentication and since its 2gig its NGPON which has an additional layer. Also never plug a fiber into an SFP port with a green tip. PON uses APC for less attenuation and due to the angle of the glass, it is longer than UPC and you will scratch or break the lens in the SFP

[plain siren]

Its EAP Authentication over 923 using 3 certs on the router

802.1X

It encapsulates the uplink into the VLAN and seems to be running the 802.1X client on the router. This is actually almost like the AT&T ONT Auth

wpa_supplicant can be used to do the auth, just need to extract the certs from the modem

Which depending on modem models, there is firmware downgrades that expose exploits to get to root of Modem and you can use that to get the certs.

For IPv6, Match the DUID, make sure the MAC is cloned too [both v4/6] (apparently actually verified)

And thankfully the IP is set through DHCP over the link, that makes it easy

@unborn sluice Alot of ISP's have Open Internet/Routing Policies in which they expose documents of how their setup is actually setup.

[unborn sluice]

uhm

[plain siren]

You have to know where to look

Sometimes you might need a transparent bridge to poke around still hehe

[lime rampart]

configuring my r7800 openWrt VLANs, my ISP requires VLAN300 for internet access, is this set up correctly? I'm unsure about the tagging of the Eth0 and Eth1 ports.

[hollow marlin]

Or how about this, Miles calls his ISP and ask to use his router instead or trying to brute force it

[plain siren]

So your ISP serves uplink over vLAN 300? You would tag the WAN port as 300.

Apparently others have tried, they ask you to use their internal bridge mode

Which still does Double NAT

It can be a fun little project though. I did the digging just for my fun anyways.

[lime rampart]

@plain siren correct, internet is working I should have clarified. Should I be tagging Eth1 on vLAN1 though?

[plain siren]

Does your clients have internet connectivity through LAN?

[lime rampart]

yeah

[plain siren]

No touchy

Yeah LAN side you keep as vLAN 1

The 300 is stripped when NAT is done.

[lime rampart]

oh right, but there should be at least 1 tagged port on each vLAN?

[plain siren]

And it would be annoying to have to set vLAN 300 on all those devices.

One tagged port for each vLAN?

[hollow marlin]

You want untagged VLAN 1 on each LAN port

[plain siren]

Unless you wanna setup vLans

[lime rampart]

nah I don't yet, maybe later for a server

[plain siren]

But as of right now, working as intended

[lime rampart]

okay👍 thanks

[tame carbon]

tagged traffic has vlan headers in the ethernet frames

untagged, is the 'default'

no vlans, or vlanid 1

[hollow marlin]

Which is why it should be set to untagged. Many consumer devices will just ignore the VLAN header and with PCs depends on the NIC

[lime rampart]

@hollow marlin so you're saying this is what it should be?

[hollow marlin]

Yep that will work

[lime rampart]

having a hard time wrapping my head around VLANS

and I hate not knowing exactly how my stuff is setup lol

[hollow marlin]

@lime rampart Network Directions is where I point people who would like a basic overview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrhHMai2d2Y

[peak cloak]

oh thanks for that yt channel, I'll learn a bit more

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin but muh network chuck

[hollow marlin]

I mean if you want a side conversation every 45s with little theory, sure

[lime rampart]

This is great, thanks

[peak cloak]

Why you need to learn about VLANS RIGHT NOW!

[waxen scroll]

i learned networking without youtube

gimme a star

🤩

in my day you had to open a 1000 page book and READ

[peak cloak]

most of the stuff I just played around with

defiantly did not cause network outages for my parents

[hollow marlin]

1000 page book, what is this, networking for kindergarten

[lime rampart]

defiantly did not cause network outages for my parents
@peak cloak reminds me of uni dorms where the network was set up so badly, every time someone new joined they would plug in their 30 buck mini-router and the network burned down in a cascading NAT conflict (~3000 people lol)

[nova igloo]

Why you need to learn about VLANS RIGHT NOW!
@peak cloak lol

[little schooner]

I learned networking from reading the content from Cisco net academy. YouTube was a terrible resource when I didn't know what content was good or not

[hollow marlin]

@little schooner More O'reilly books

[little schooner]

@hollow marlin I used an OReilly book for the windows 10 mcsa exam. It covered what I needed to know

I wonder if they have one for server 2019

[hollow marlin]

Im talking about the O'reilly subscription

Also plenty on there

[little schooner]

Oh

That's a thing?

Subscription

[hollow marlin]

Just make sure you sign up for an ACM account which is $100/year. If you sign up with O'reailly its like $499/year

Its what I use constantly

[little schooner]

This acm? https://www.acm.org/membership

Or directly on oreily site

[hollow marlin]

Yep through here https://www.acm.org/membership/membership-options

Choose the Professional option, after confirmation create the web account and then at the home page login and go to O'reilly which will log you in with an ACM email

Pretty much any networking book is on there as well as Cisco press video series which is O'reilly exclusive

[waxen scroll]

[hollow marlin]

@waxen scroll you wanna run L2 RFC2544 with me?

[fresh storm]

Does anyone happen to have some experience with fritz!box routers?

[south blade]

Hey, it's me again to ask about this fiber stuff, is this https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Ethernet-Converter-Supporting-MC220L/dp/B003CFATL0/ref=sr_1_3?crid=10DC87V0O0QWP&dchild=1&keywords=sfp%2Bmedia%2Bconverter&qid=1600285839&sprefix=sfp%2Bmedia%2B%2Caps%2C151&sr=8-3&th=1 compatible with https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Ethernet-Converter-Supporting-MC220L/dp/B003CFATYM/ref=sr_1_3?crid=10DC87V0O0QWP&dchild=1&keywords=sfp%2Bmedia%2Bconverter&qid=1600285839&sprefix=sfp%2Bmedia%2B%2Caps%2C151&sr=8-3&th=1 to be used with this fiber optic cable? https://www.amazon.com/Meter-Multimode-Duplex-Fiber-Optic/dp/B006MN8WO0/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=500ft%2Bfiber%2Boptic%2Bcable&qid=1600966557&sr=8-3&th=1

[peak cloak]

from my novice eyes, it seems all good, but someone more experienced could check

[south blade]

Hmmm, should that multimode fiber optic cable fit in 1/2" conduit? Trying to calculate this out how much it would be in total. 😛

[peak cloak]

they are pretty small, it should

[south blade]

😄 If you had to go 500 feet, and never touched fiber optic before, would you spend $400 to do it this way? 😄

[peak cloak]

Maybe idk

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin sorry, L2 isnt my silo

[rocky badge]

@waxen scroll lmfao Ubiquiti really wants to sell their new access shit 😂

[little schooner]

They should work on their quality assurance commitment first if you wanna know the truth

[rocky badge]

Imagine deploying access

then to have ubiquiti eol it later

[waxen scroll]

i mean cisco does that today

[little schooner]

immediately end up on the banned vendors list

@waxen scroll but with cisco they have support plans

ubnt is forums support

[waxen scroll]

not after end of support dates

[little schooner]

well thats true

but still ubnt forums support lol

[rocky badge]

At least cisco, probably warns you?, UI just tells you ur shit is eol lol

[waxen scroll]

cisco does warn you

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll im so happy that my next technical paper isn't due until the end of october

A nice break.

The last assignment is like my work journal, of everything I did at internship

[waxen scroll]

a paper about a non-IT dept isnt a technical paper!

[little schooner]

that isn't due until december 15th

@waxen scroll well that is what the assignment name has

I think they ought to change it

[waxen scroll]

i would quit

[little schooner]

quit the class?

I need it to graduate

@waxen scroll whatever helps keep the school accredited, they will follow that checklist

they request some of these assignments be part of a portfolio they show to accreditors

If they didnt make us write these, they would question the purpose of running an internship class

which is fine with me. Less requirements, the better.

Engineering technical writing was my first portfolio submission to accreditors

I think I did a lot better in that course because I did papers on things like operation of coaxial cable and the parts that make it up

@waxen scroll our advanced linux class taught us mostly these things:

cat, ls, grep, mv, cp, crontab, passwd, etc etc etc...
webserver, email server, dns server, ssh server

Not really that much. The first two exams were basically reinforcements of early chapters at beginning of semester

I thought I would get more out of it but the guy wasn't a full time linux admin. He worked as a cyber security person for this local company

He was into python, I remember that

[waxen scroll]

cyber security is a mixed bag

lots of morons, some gems

[tame carbon]

the best cyber security dudes, are those who came into through development

because they have the skills to look under the hood

[topaz quarry]

hey look i'm a python pro => I understand how the stack works, and how the heap can be misused

lol

[tame carbon]

you can misuse the stack too

to much greater effect too

one failed array constraint, and you can buffer overflow the stack

[topaz quarry]

printf is a great target

like printf("%s","abc");

lol we need immutable strings in languages

[tame carbon]

immutable everything

OO-philosophy states that 'objects are immutable'

Since I'm a java dev, that means final all the things

[waxen scroll]

once i got mad how slow my network information script was. so i look up python multithreading

MFW "what do you mean theres THREE ways?"

what do you MEAN netmiko cant be multithreaded the easiest way?

[rocky badge]

@waxen scroll KEK https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2018/04/12/ubiquiti-and-home-assistant/

[waxen scroll]

the hell?

[rocky badge]

This was 2 years apparently lmao

[waxen scroll]

oh wow

i mean... its working?

i started using it about a year and a half ago and its come so far

im sad though because LG is a massive player in appliances and still 0 support for it in HA

someone has an integration in dev but it only supports HVAC and its been like that for a while

[tame carbon]

cool

so when you pwn someones unify

you can now open their garage

[red kettle]

Lol

That was off of a old docking station. The removed picture

It was bad so I stuck a drill in the ethernet port. Lol

[waxen scroll]

@tame carbon that's why I have a garage sensor

[rocky badge]

HA is still its own open source project

its just hopefully the HA owner has more resources now

[waxen scroll]

Sure hack me and open it. The system thats not wireless will catch it lol

@rocky badge I want my aeotec zwave 7 pls

[rocky badge]

lol

[elfin socket]

How many times is the phrase “Home assistant” mentioned in that”

I hope his official title is “home assistant”

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge wat

*Sep 25 20:02:28.985 UTC: %BGP-4-NORTRID: BGP could not pick a router-id. Please configure manually.
INET01#sho ip bgp vpnv4 vrf inet
% BGP cannot run because the router-id is not configured

BGP table version is 22, local router ID is 192.168.10.2

[rocky badge]

oof

[waxen scroll]

it knows it but claims it doesnt

@clear igloo why my fake router do dis

[clear igloo]

Cuz you no assign global BGP router id maybe?

[waxen scroll]

i dont have a global but neither does prod and prod doesnt complain

also peers are up on fake router

@little schooner your time to shine buddy. whats our slogan?

[rocky badge]

wrong channel oof

[waxen scroll]

that too

[snow cloud]

I too watch Mr. Robot

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge they should give you mod for this room

[rocky badge]

[waxen scroll]

i'd be deleting like 1/3 topics

@clear igloo plus nobody has a support contract with us

[clear igloo]

plz buy support contract

[thick minnow]

Something is wrong with my vpn connection, for some reason it maxes at 94Kbps through softether vpn when regularly it would go through at 300Mbps

[waxen scroll]

hahaha colocrossing. i used to do a lot of work for them. oof

[thick minnow]

on any oither vpn such as mullvad, im getting my normal speeds

[peak cloak]

Ok, so I have an weird issue with my local DNS

I can resolve local hostnames such as ubnt.presentmonkey.tech but nslookup shows a DNS timeout

dig on WSL however shows the correct response

and when when the DNS is set only to the router, all dns requests are super slow

This is on an ER-X

[waxen scroll]

reboot

[peak cloak]

@waxen scroll did that, no success, still timing out

I also tried some things from the ubiquity forums, but that didn't help either

[waxen scroll]

its using the same nameserver you used dig on?

[peak cloak]

yep

[vapid dune]

what are your dns servers set to?

[final mirage]

No weird static-defined DNS settings on that network adapter?

[vapid dune]

are you sure you don't have like non local DNS + local DNS

[peak cloak]

@vapid dune I have both 192.168.1.1 and 8.8.8.8 defined in DHCP

[vapid dune]

there's your problem

[peak cloak]

if I change it to only 192.168.1.1 it doesn't work either

[final mirage]

do you have DNS defined in your router/fw?

[vapid dune]

you -> 192.168.1.1 -> 8.8.8.8 / 8.8.4.4 would be "normal"

that too

[peak cloak]

@final mirage yeah, it works through dig

and I can resolve local ip's through chrome

[vapid dune]

dig directly against 192.168.1.1?

[peak cloak]

@vapid dune

[vapid dune]

did you flush your DNS cache after changing your DNS server?

not sure if windows does that if you change the settings

actually I suppose it shouldn't cache no record

[peak cloak]

yes just did that

no success

I feel like it's either a router or windows problem

[vapid dune]

check your DNS settings again

[final mirage]

so does it just keep timing out until you ctl-c and then it tosses the answer out at the end?

[peak cloak]

actually yeah it times out then gets me the right answer

[vapid dune]

try ipconfig /all and see how many dns servers you have

well I guess it's a timeout

hmm

[peak cloak]

2

google and local

[vapid dune]

like I said get rid of google lol

I mean it shouldn't timeout if it gets sent there I suppose

[peak cloak]

exactly

[vapid dune]

but regardless you don't want local records to go directly to google

it should go to your own dns server first

[final mirage]

also does dns just point to google on the edge?

or are you running a full dns server

[vapid dune]

that's true, maybe it's bugged there too lol

[final mirage]

yeah it could be trying to do some local address and then looping

[vapid dune]

yeah I've seen sometimes where people have convoluted setups with pihole

and it like goes into an infinite cycle

[peak cloak]

yeah, the problem is that local is super slow, that's what I'm trying to solve, then I'll change it to local only

[vapid dune]

I mean you should've been able to cut out your local isp already with what I described above

you -> router dns -> google dns

[peak cloak]

yeah, that's my plan

it's an edgrouter X doing dns forwarding

[peak cloak]

it's just really slow and idk what the issue is on the router side

keeps timing out

once I get a raspberry pi I will setup a dedicated dns server, but for now it needs to be on the router

[worthy sand]

I have no internet connectivity currently at my house as some of you know. I have a jimmy rigged hot spot hooked up to a 20' antenna in my backyard and the mobile connection is so fucking unstable. and only 10mbps on a good day.

AT&T can run me a dedicated business circuit to my home. Personal account rep, 24/7 monitoring, blah blah blah. But... It's $500/m for a dedicated 10M circuit. The guy is trying to tell me it'll feel like a 50-75mbps connection but like?? that doesnt even make sense to me. Heres other prices he gave me.

10M- $471.28

20M- $523.86

50M- $590.89

100M- $883.90
What should I do? Is this worth it? I do run a business in-home, but this seems excessive. Will throughput be an issue?

To add - I live in rural Texas. Internet is impossible to get out here

[peak cloak]

that's for a dedicated circuit, so unlike something like dociss on coax, you have dedicated bandwidth just for you, so it's much more expensive than just internet

[worthy sand]

There's no other options unfortunately. Not even a shared line.

[peak cloak]

starlink could be an option soonish, have you checked fcc broadband map for all the ISP's at your address

https://broadbandmap.fcc.gov/#/

[worthy sand]

Yeeeep, Elon started in canada/northern US. I couldnt get more south.

https://i.imgur.com/pTBYUzQ.png

Viasat/hughes is not an option, their datacaps are ridiculous, charter does not service here, they want $140k to run a line to my home and AT&T's DSL switch is at capacity, so no new customers.

[peak cloak]

I mean, if it's the only option then I guess

[rocky badge]

Because to ISPs you're not a good investment

[worthy sand]

What about his claims though? He states a 10M dedicated circuit "feels like" 50-75mbps. Is there any truth to that? Can I run multiple video streams?

[rocky badge]

That's why they're charging you so much

[worthy sand]

right blob, im too far out to be profitable

I get it

I'm not so much questioning the price, but the ATT rep's claims to the 10m circuit

[rocky badge]

but yeah that "10Mbps feels like 50/75"

Unless they overprovision...10Mbps feels like....10Mbps

Marketing

[worthy sand]

That was kind of my thinking, but according to some article I was reading, they stated most ISP's over provision. so "speedtest.net" is not always telling the truth

https://i.imgur.com/AbOZvrZ.png
https://4atc.com/what-is-dedicated-internet-access-dia/

[rocky badge]

@waxen scroll E: Repository 'https://dl.ubnt.com/unifi/debian stable InRelease' changed its 'Codename' value from 'unifi-5.13' to 'unifi-6.0'

oh god

are they considering 6.x "stable" now

[waxen scroll]

idk i dont use 6

[rocky badge]

I've been using 6.x but some people are saying they're having issues with it

[waxen saddle]

I’m having 0 issues with it.

Gen 1 controller too.

My devices are all fully patched too.

[rocky badge]

6.x is still considered RC/beta though

but the apt repo changed to 6.x already

[topaz quarry]

if you have a wireless backhaul

you will have a bad time

if you have a wire backhaul

you will be fine

[thick minnow]

alright so i had some issue with my att modem with range and that so i purchased and setup a deco wifi system and its been very bad in fact worse wifi then before any suggestions? Am i doing something wrong?

im using the deco as a fully new wifi system and disabled wireless on the att router

i have 1000/1000 btw

any suggestions or if im doing something wrong please @ me

[unborn sluice]

wireless mesh

[thick minnow]

mans i tried mesh in the deco wifi system thing and it just doesn't work

half the time on the wifi it just wont work on wireless on the deco stuff

i got those^^

@unborn sluice

[topaz quarry]

you won't get 1000/1000 over wifi

or wireless backhauls that aren't 60 Ghz with perfect LOS

[little schooner]

@rocky badge I held back from using v6

I'm not trying to make my professor and mother angry

[tame carbon]

omnidirectional 1G?

good luck

you need a nuclear power plant for that unidirectional antenna

[orchid shell]

does speed and ping vary between different cable lengths

[clear igloo]

No

[orchid shell]

like ethernet

[clear igloo]

So long as it's less than 100m for copper cable

[orchid shell]

k

[rocky badge]

@little schooner lol

@clear igloo https://blob.rocks/LszkS8qbbK.png

[unborn sluice]

homelab stuff

[rocky badge]

Nah this IPMI isn't from a homelab...

That's one of the IPMI my school gave a public IP to 😂

[misty terrace]

safety first 😉

[clear igloo]

@rocky badge LAWL, so much fail there

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo ikr

[quick trout]

Hello can someone help?

[manic oriole]

Hello, someone here could please help with high ping spikes?

[little schooner]

Someone here can help if you describe your issue

[unborn sluice]

[manic oriole]

I thought someone would PM me cuz I didn't want to clutter the chat but ok. Since yesterday i keep having random ping spikes and even internet crashes. I have 1ms and out of nowhere 200ms and second later its fine again.

[tame carbon]

@manic oriole get WinMTR

do that again

https://sourceforge.net/projects/winmtr/

this is useful to identify what hop is causing latency or packet loss

[manic oriole]

@tame carbon i have it, so in the Host blank space i put my Ip adress and click on start?

[tame carbon]

just do 1.1.1.1

It basically does a traceroute to the cloudflare dns

usually the fastest hop

and it then pings each server

and it helps identify where along the route, it has problems

[manic oriole]

and how many hops should i let it go for?

[tame carbon]

~ 100

100 packets

or 1000

if problems are intermittened

[manic oriole]

Ok, i also did the same in cmd along with it

And now the numbers are insane

[unborn sluice]

[manic oriole]

1700 ping spikes

[tame carbon]

What kind of internet do you have? and are you on wifi?

[manic oriole]

yes wifi

[tame carbon]

Okay..

have you got a chance to connect with a LAN cable?

[manic oriole]

i dont :/

[tame carbon]

wifi is often very bad

[manic oriole]

yeah i heard

[tame carbon]

but we'll see in a moment

[manic oriole]

but it is usually pretty stable

haven't had this problem in months

[tame carbon]

back in the day

I was on the worst adsl ever, but I had to use lan, because the wifi was even worse

4% packet loss

at all times

If you called up the $ISP, woman on the phone had no clue what packet loss was

looks in program Yes sir, our systems are reading 8mbit, its all normal