networking

[unborn sluice]

I forgot if it's PPPoe

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/product/SFPONU

mtik does sell modules for GPON

but I don't have any experience with PONs

you'd have to ask someone else here

[unborn sluice]

mtik seems comprehensive

PPPoE is blank

guess it's ONU

oh wait

[tame carbon]

@rocky badge was the one who I've seen here talk about PONs previously

not sure if he's around

[unborn sluice]

worst case scenario

let the ISP router sit there

then plug the new router on it

[tame carbon]

and disable its wifi and stuff

[unborn sluice]

dang, that router would be the modem

[tame carbon]

thats what the ONU does yeah

[unborn sluice]

a modem with 4 antennas

[tame carbon]

all-in-one

[unborn sluice]

lemme get the choices for my ISP, wait

[tame carbon]

I cannot give you any reasonable advice on what to do with that ISP router...

[unborn sluice]

hammer

though the freaking rental fee would make this router valuable

[tame carbon]

I dont want to be that guy who tells you to get this, and it ends up not being the right thing

WAT

you pay rental fee?

for CPE?

I paid a $20 deposit on mine, no rental fee

[unborn sluice]

yup,

no deposit but we got a rental fee

[tame carbon]

if you pay for it

then it has to be optional

or its a total ripoff

[unborn sluice]

i'd say the latter

[tame carbon]

why do you think I prefix $ with isp

they are always a ripoff

Well, not all ISPs

https://i.imgur.com/P6pY0G0.png

[unborn sluice]

it's this shitty router or these choices

[tame carbon]

LOL

[unborn sluice]

i don't want that gaming router crap

i don't buy into that

[tame carbon]

but wait

[unborn sluice]

there's more

[tame carbon]

that Linksys

check what interfaces it has

all you really just need

is a module for your PON

and I doubt the linksys has that built in

so they should offer a split unit

[unborn sluice]

I guess they would give the modem if the linksys don't have it

[hallow nimbus]

https://i.imgur.com/P6pY0G0.png
@tame carbon where is dis?

[unborn sluice]

dunno if I would call that a freebie

[tame carbon]

@hallow nimbus netherlands

Its corporate ISP, no BS

you call em up, they speak nerd

[hallow nimbus]

Oh nvm then 😂 😂 😂

[tame carbon]

@hallow nimbus that's not the full price, but "starting at"

[unborn sluice]

with that price, you can get 150/150 [in my area]

[hallow nimbus]

I am dutch my self but no company soo cant use it 😂

[unborn sluice]

atrocious

[tame carbon]

I have extras like /29 range, and I also pay 14 bucks for the fiber optics themselves

@hallow nimbus do you know DeltaFiber?

[hallow nimbus]

Yes but no fiber in my street

[tame carbon]

rip :(

[unborn sluice]

F

[tame carbon]

I was on 4mbit ADSL from KPN for many many years

couldnt even hd pr0n

or youtube

[hallow nimbus]

Yikes

[unborn sluice]

couldnt even hd pr0n
this is why we download in the old dayys

[hallow nimbus]

I am on a 250/25 line from ziggo

Upload not enuf

[tame carbon]

@hallow nimbus ziggo uses coax, I've had my share of trouble with them too

[hallow nimbus]

I wanna have fiber ffs 😂 😂

[tame carbon]

one bad modem, can interfere the entire medium (eg: entire neighborhood)

[hallow nimbus]

I know 😂 😂 😂

[tame carbon]

@hallow nimbus DeltaFiber charges me 13 bucks/month, for the fiber network

but its a pure fiber service

no bandwidth calculations

if I wanted 100G over that, as long as I can find an ISP willing to peer for me, I can do it

[hallow nimbus]

I have a friend that works for them and he once watched my neightbourhood and my modem was causing slow downs for the rest 😂 😂 😂

Nice

[unborn sluice]

No QoS?

[tame carbon]

fiber is just, wavelength

@unborn sluice its layer 1

[unborn sluice]

ohhh

[tame carbon]

I have two wavelengths right now

RX and TX

theoretical 'max' is like what.. 200G?

you can't really squeeze any more out of it than that

[unborn sluice]

why would you doe

[tame carbon]

Well

at the end of the day... link speed isnt what is expensive

[unborn sluice]

i'd be happy with 1/200 of that

[tame carbon]

the peering is where $$ goes to

[hallow nimbus]

Ofc

[unborn sluice]

^

[tame carbon]

but having a fat pipe to a datacenter

can be very nice, for things like private cloud

you get say.. 250mbit to internet, 1G to your rack

[hallow nimbus]

Its very poggers

[unborn sluice]

[tame carbon]

@hallow nimbus lol and.. ISP doesnt rip you off with IPTV

[hallow nimbus]

Can i haz that? 😂 😂 😂

[tame carbon]

on ADSL, the IPTV steals some of your total bandwidth

[hallow nimbus]

Ikr

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/OZ26mja.png

How to do it properly ^

two vlans

[hallow nimbus]

Nice can i haz 👀

[tame carbon]

https://www.glasvezelbuitenaf.nl/

check if there's any plans for your area^

@hallow nimbus if there is, go around your neighbors, get them exited

if you get enough willing people, they could consider it an investment opportunity

[hallow nimbus]

[tame carbon]

argh

that's how I felt.. when ReggeFiber did fiber optics

and there was fiber optics, under the pavement across the street

[hallow nimbus]

OOOOF

[tame carbon]

and on the map, it was exactly down the middle of the street

my side, got the bad end of the stick

[hallow nimbus]

F

[tame carbon]

fuck reggefiber though

KPN are slimy bastards.

[hallow nimbus]

Fuck kpn

[tame carbon]

They bought Reggefiber, to kill competition

fired everyone

[hallow nimbus]

Only thier mobile shit is good

[tame carbon]

then, new fiber initiatives popped up

KPN panics

restarts reggefiber

and lay out cheap fiber optics

[hallow nimbus]

Indeed kpb buys again

[tame carbon]

at 30cm depth.

[hallow nimbus]

Oof

[tame carbon]

one big truck, that parks on the side of the road

cracked fiber

[hallow nimbus]

Indeed

[tame carbon]

and KPN support gives two fucks

[hallow nimbus]

You mean zero fucks

[tame carbon]

front and back

[hallow nimbus]

Yup

[tame carbon]

thats why.. if you have copper... GET KPN, don't get Tele2 or something else

because if yuo run into issues, you can blame KPN directly

otherwise, tele2 has to bother KPN on your behalf

which can take

months.

[hallow nimbus]

😂 😂 😂

[tame carbon]

its bit counterintuitive

[hallow nimbus]

But i dont wanna have kpn

[tame carbon]

its better than someone else, because they just rent the line from KPN

[hallow nimbus]

Thier landline connections suck

I use ziggo now and its fine

I just want more upload

😂 😂

[tame carbon]

symetric lines are a virtue yeah

@hallow nimbus I managed to get my fiber plan for $0/month lol

[hallow nimbus]

LOL

Noce

[tame carbon]

there's two companies who have an office, behind our house

[hallow nimbus]

Nice

[tame carbon]

and they need internet

[hallow nimbus]

😂 😂 😂

[tame carbon]

so I got that extra /29 (8 IPs)

[hallow nimbus]

Heuj

[tame carbon]

and give them each a static one

and charge them 50 bucks/month for 50 up/down

[hallow nimbus]

😂 😂

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/04ZxLST.png

See ^ xD

[hallow nimbus]

Nice

[tame carbon]

51M, cus

speedtest always lies

so when they test, it says exactly 50

[hallow nimbus]

Tru

Mine says 260 😂 😂

And 26 uo

[tame carbon]

if I test, mine shoots up to 500mbit

then goes back to 250

burst ftw

[hallow nimbus]

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[tame carbon]

I get 500mbit/s for 0.5 seconds

then it slows

[hallow nimbus]

Nice

[tame carbon]

I can do the same for my customers

https://i.imgur.com/WKYxcce.png

but I have no need

[hallow nimbus]

Oof

[tame carbon]

Burst is great for things like webpages

makes them load snappy

[hallow nimbus]

So you gave them 102Mbits and you still have 148 mbit left nice

[tame carbon]

yeah, and remember: office hours

[hallow nimbus]

My website runs on idunno gbits

😂

yeah, and remember: office hours
@tame carbon ah nice

[tame carbon]

I could set up priority trees

where, between set hours, I can guarantee them 50mbit

and I use whatever is left over

but setting that up in mikrotik... too much of a headache

[hallow nimbus]

Ikr

I use mikrotik for my 10gbit network 😂

[tame carbon]

nice

I got an RB4011

and a CRS305

for my 10G portion of the network

[unborn sluice]

👀

[hallow nimbus]

and a CRS305
@tame carbon i have this one

[unborn sluice]

i see another model

[hallow nimbus]

👀

[unborn sluice]

@hallow nimbus do you also have router recommendations

[tame carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387022787480387605/756819689015083118/20200919_121057.jpg

[hallow nimbus]

Not really

[tame carbon]

I posted this earlier ^

[hallow nimbus]

Wtf copper in a sfp+ switch 😂

[tame carbon]

yes

this is future proof

[hallow nimbus]

I use dac cables for my setup atm

But also have a lenthy 150m fiber cable

[tame carbon]

if I need more 1G connectivity, I can just take one 10G line

and go onto a switch

those two fibers you see, one goes to the router, and the other to my server

[hallow nimbus]

Ah nice

Custom build pfsense or anything like it or just one off the shelf

?

[tame carbon]

the server?

thats just a VM host

[hallow nimbus]

Nah the router

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/htHU3Ov.png

^

[hallow nimbus]

Hmmm might pick that up

[tame carbon]

this does, all of the stuff I configured at home

[hallow nimbus]

Cause i wanna put rhat ziggo box in bridgemode

[tame carbon]

my LAN, my extra /29, IPTV

IPTV

was hell to configure

since ISPs documentation was only for a DrayTek

[hallow nimbus]

😂 😂 😂

[tame carbon]

IGMP Proxy and multicast

• 2nd VLAN for TV catalog server

IGMP is weird

https://i.imgur.com/CQsK7Hr.png

[hallow nimbus]

Yup

Ah nice

[unborn sluice]

plex? @tame carbon

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice nah, I haven't done any media server yet

[hallow nimbus]

The white text on black was hard to read 😂

[tame carbon]

I was planning on installing MPD on my server

[hallow nimbus]

I have a small plex server with a couple linus isos

[unborn sluice]

i'm still contemplating if plex pass is worth

[tame carbon]

https://www.musicpd.org/

This is cool ^

you can set up your own in-home radio stream

[unborn sluice]

I have a small plex server with a couple linus isos
Plex as a linus iso server

@tame carbon thanks, would add that to my list

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice friend of mine had this at his last house party

[hallow nimbus]

I have 10TB of media

😂

[tame carbon]

all the speakers in the house, upstairs downstairs, all connected to the same icecast server

[clear igloo]

Plex Pass (lifetime) is amazing

[tame carbon]

and everyone could use an MPD app on their phone, to add songs to the playlist

and the same music played everywhere in the house

[hallow nimbus]

Thats nice

[unborn sluice]

tdlr for the MPD?

[tame carbon]

Music Player Daemon

its a headless music player

[unborn sluice]

oh a music player

[tame carbon]

you can use apps to browse your mpd library, make playlists

[unborn sluice]

cause we're in the subject of plex so I thought it's the broadcast server

[tame carbon]

http://ario-player.sourceforge.net/

Nah, icecast2 is the broadcast portion

[unborn sluice]

yup

that makes sense

[tame carbon]

ario is the client for mpd

you can also get MPDroid for android

[hallow nimbus]

I use icecast2 for my website 😂 😂 😂

[tame carbon]

ario without a server to connect to

https://i.imgur.com/mJ62uzC.png

looks like this

if you then tell MPD where your files or NAS is

it can just pull files from there, to play them

[hallow nimbus]

Thats nice

[unborn sluice]

MPD in SMB ?

[tame carbon]

MPD could also play from another input stream, and then just have a headless spotify instance

[unborn sluice]

🤔

[tame carbon]

https://github.com/Spotifyd/spotifyd

if you pair this with mpd, get the source and sinks configured properly in pulse

you can even stream spotify over your own icecast

[unborn sluice]

Note: Spotifyd requires a Spotify Premium account.

[tame carbon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hallow nimbus]

I have premium 😂 😂

[unborn sluice]

I also have premium

[tame carbon]

spotify connect needs premium to work

its a cloud service

[unborn sluice]

but I gotta love windows for sometimes showing that my network doesn't have internet access

guess what, spotify checks that

[tame carbon]

oh lol yeah

"Please go online"

I AM ONLINE

[unborn sluice]

so I'm stuck to spotify in browser

fuck you windows

[hallow nimbus]

😂 😂

fuck you windows
@unborn sluice agreed

[tame carbon]

had to repost xD

[hallow nimbus]

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[unborn sluice]

atrocious experience

combined with troubleshooter

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/NOjHsPk.png

:D

my kernel is ancient

[hallow nimbus]

Watomat 😂 😂 😂

[tame carbon]

have to pull new ubuntu distro kernel and recompile it when I have enough nerves

Wat 'o mat

yes

wat is a way of life

[unborn sluice]

[hallow nimbus]

Gotta go #work

[tame carbon]

'o mat is old english for machine

some people name their machines after pokemons

mine are 'o mats

servomat, deskomat, watomat (laptop)

and my windows vm's name is winomat

right, time for lunch

and I still have get groceries

i'm out of lettuce

[clear igloo]

lettuce go to the grocery store then 😄

[cedar igloo]

hi guys. quick question.
What are your thoughts on hardware based load balancing over software based? Level 7 routing (i think its called) doesnt matter for me as all data will be passed through to Kubernetes load balancers so therefore the data will not need to be read. its just going to be used to ensure traffic is delivered to an alive host

[tame carbon]

Really depends on what protocol

[cedar igloo]

tcp and whatever websockets usually use

[tame carbon]

mh

I personally havent got that much experience with hardware based loadbalancing

http://www.haproxy.org/

This would be my go to software solution

[edgy pasture]

Would this be a good place to ask about running ethernet in my walls

[unborn sluice]

depends

[abstract nexus]

so..if have to ask because reasons...what could block windows samba to acess the shared folder?

[tame carbon]

file permissions?

[abstract nexus]

chmod?

[tame carbon]

if the files are owned by the user that is the same as the samba login, should work

[unborn sluice]

remember to restart the samba service

[tame carbon]

chown to change ownership

chown user:group <file>

-R for recursive

if you still can't figure out why you can't access it

see if you can find any details in your logfiles

/var/log/samba/

[unborn sluice]

you can also ask in the LTT discord

[tame carbon]

at least you got logs lol

try this stuff on windows

event viewer

[abstract nexus]

since i started working with linux i began to hate windows...

[tame carbon]

@abstract nexus good.

[unborn sluice]

it's inevitable

[tame carbon]

means you are learning a more sane way to use computers

[unborn sluice]

you get to experience an OS that doesn't fuck its users

[tame carbon]

windows causes brainrot

[unborn sluice]

You want a working computer? Windows update thinks otherwise

[abstract nexus]

8hrs setting up windows and updates..try this on linux..

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/IRRWWvd.png

[unborn sluice]

🏴‍☠️

[abstract nexus]

within 8hrs updating windows you created 6 linux mashine with updtaes running

[unborn sluice]

8hrs is horrible

[tame carbon]

on a fast line, netinstall of debian takes less than a minute

xD

[unborn sluice]

what are you updating

[abstract nexus]

xp/7/8 server2k12

[tame carbon]

barf

[unborn sluice]

you must be one of those people who does have update farm

[abstract nexus]

na just a hypervisor ^^

[tame carbon]

WAT

dont tell me

[abstract nexus]

proxmox

[tame carbon]

ok

[unborn sluice]

hyperv role

[tame carbon]

thought for a second there

[unborn sluice]

Me using Windows VM in a windows host

cancerception

lul

[tame carbon]

ok

[unborn sluice]

i see you wnat to get muted again

[tame carbon]

this chat filter

is the worst.

feels like I am in china

[abstract nexus]

uhm..those log files...those are empty XD

[tame carbon]

@abstract nexus oof

@abstract nexus check your smb.conf

see if logging is even configured

[unborn sluice]

can we first check if smb is really running at all

[tame carbon]

good idea

[unborn sluice]

and show us your smb config

[abstract nexus]

if i wasnt sitting here like 5 hrs figuring out wtf is this sht i will continue to ask ^^

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice worst part with samba, is if you host two folders on the same server with different credentials

windows remembers the credentials for only that host

[abstract nexus]

smbd runs..is checked and restarted every time ich fiddled with the config

[unborn sluice]

windows remembers the credentials for only that host
@tame carbon wait what

I think i misunderstood your statement

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice so if you have user@host:/folderA

and then user@host:/folderB

[unborn sluice]

oh you meant that

[tame carbon]

it uses same credentials

cus its same host

you have to use a 2nd IP

xD

[unborn sluice]

welp I use samba on explorer though

[tame carbon]

I had a private and public network share for a setup of a client of mine

[abstract nexus]

https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-and-configure-samba#3-setting-up-samba

[tame carbon]

two users, same host

[abstract nexus]

this is what i used

[unborn sluice]

two users, same host
weird title for a

@abstract nexus so far are you?

[abstract nexus]

ay

[unborn sluice]

windows can access the networking location?

and you have the error of permission denied

[abstract nexus]

a little..cant access she said

ay

[unborn sluice]

uhm

[tame carbon]

@abstract nexus can you at least see the folders, by browsing to \\host ?

[unborn sluice]

can you actually ping the smb server

[tame carbon]

you can see all the shared folders on it

[unborn sluice]

^

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice meanwhile

sshfs

just mount a remote system into a directory, ezgame

[unborn sluice]

smb is really bad performance wise

windows should include NFS atleast to windows home edition

but no

[tame carbon]

you pay

MORE

[unborn sluice]

their greed says NFS only for pro and enterprise

[tame carbon]

serves you right

doing enterprise stuff on windows

[abstract nexus]

thank lord im using pro versions only

[unborn sluice]

you paid for that?

i wouldn't be thankful

[tame carbon]

I have a windows datacenter key

[abstract nexus]

shure

[unborn sluice]

[tame carbon]

used it to host IIS

until .NET core came around

[abstract nexus]

20 bugs is not much for a win license

[tame carbon]

still too much

its an operating system

not a rollercoaster ride

[abstract nexus]

this

[unborn sluice]

IT department nightmare

20 bugs is not much?

[abstract nexus]

my graphics cards did cost me a lot more...so...

[unborn sluice]

windows subtly saying "get help from someone who knows what they are doing"

[tame carbon]

yeah but secretly

nobody knows

reinstall windows

[abstract nexus]

anyway..nope cant access this shared folder bc your org security policy blocks authorization

[tame carbon]

Lel

[unborn sluice]

oh nice

[tame carbon]

how's that windows pro going

oh

policies?

rip

[unborn sluice]

GROUP Policy

definitely makes the experience better

[tame carbon]

Yes, totally.

I would help you, but i never used policy manager

only ever to enable RDP

and that was years ago

[unborn sluice]

I also [Can't] help

I have AD PTSD

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/3LG3fyt.png

[unborn sluice]

however you can screenshot the error

https://i.imgur.com/3LG3fyt.png
jebaited

[tame carbon]

Yes

[unborn sluice]

oh

your smb allows guest?

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice this is the client refusing to connect

cus that samba share isnt part of the windows network

[unborn sluice]

^

[tame carbon]

Active Directory

shiver

[unborn sluice]

no please

not ad

I need sleep tonight

[tame carbon]

What part of asia are you from?

the place where you can get sake any time of the day?

[unborn sluice]

that's a very specific guess

[tame carbon]

I can tell korean appart from chinese and japanese symbols

but thats about it

<-- pretty ignorant of asian culture

[unborn sluice]

<--- do you even think I'm asian

[tame carbon]

I'm assuming yeah

got any ideas on how to wrangle the policies so that windows dont care about the machine?

[unborn sluice]

not sure about group policies

lemme check

[tame carbon]

@abstract nexus before we go further, does your machine indeed sit inside an organization?

[unborn sluice]

this might be it?

[abstract nexus]

its sitting besides me so i think yeah

[unborn sluice]

oh, this is not a home computer?

[tame carbon]

If its a corporate machine, your sysadmin may not be too happy

[abstract nexus]

i am at home

[tame carbon]

then, enable that flag ^

[abstract nexus]

its my mashine

[unborn sluice]

then we go forward

[abstract nexus]

and i am God around here ^^

[unborn sluice]

you are the sysadmin

[tame carbon]

1. Users

[abstract nexus]

ay

[tame carbon]

2. Administrators

[abstract nexus]

ay

[tame carbon]

3. Anyone with a screwdriver

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/chain_of_command.png

Xkcd is so relevent to everyday situations

I just link it whenever cliche comes around

[unborn sluice]

that's the beauty of xkcd

it's not really ass pull comedy

it's observation comedy

[tame carbon]

its beautiful irony and sarcasm

This song is so fire

jammin' over here

[unborn sluice]

what's the genre

[tame carbon]

psychedelic trance

[unborn sluice]

that explains it

[tame carbon]

jumpstreet makes great full-on

[unborn sluice]

i mostly listen to edm

[tame carbon]

I mean, technically this is edm

[unborn sluice]

weird

i'm literally listening rn

[tame carbon]

I dont have discord linked to spotify though

for reasons, I cant remember

[unborn sluice]

ah

[tame carbon]

gotta admit though

this is beautiful lol

[unborn sluice]

feel like hardstyle?

sounds like to me

[tame carbon]

meh

its psytrance

[unborn sluice]

🤔

that really sounds like hardstyle

[tame carbon]

its clipped through the mic lol

[unborn sluice]

[tame carbon]

This is that exact

moment of the song

Iboga records = psy record label

[unborn sluice]

yup, that sounds more like it

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice mainstream music I cant even listen to anymore

cus.. feels so quiet and empty

as if the songs are unfinished

[unborn sluice]

Yea, it's like I haven't listened to POP songs in a while now

mostly edm or rock

[tame carbon]

tomorrowland?

heard its a shitfest with bunch of cops

[unborn sluice]

I don't go there lol

[tame carbon]

in 2017 their pyrotechnics set the stage on fire

mid set

lol

[unborn sluice]

so realistic isn't it

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice festivals I go to are more like vacation

with bunch of workshops, lectures and interesting things to do

[unborn sluice]

I think a need more psytrance songs so the soundsignature would click

[tame carbon]

ah, so

one moment

:)

[unborn sluice]

with bunch of workshops, lectures and interesting things to do
that's more like a retreat

[tame carbon]

my brain is 80% trance, 20% house

those festivals are like temporary communities

everyone, so uplifted and friendly

[unborn sluice]

yea, definitely sounds like a retreat to me

or a team building

[tame carbon]

I went in 2016, with a group of complete strangers I met on the internet

I met a group of germans now

and they are my best of friends :)

we meet up twice a year

was kinda in a depressed state 2016

after that, I was cured

[unborn sluice]

sweet to meet strangers and go apart friends

too much of an introvert to attend such

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice any social anxiety evaporates at such a place

cus nobody holds a grudge

here';s your signature ^ bassline

the resonance on the bass

is dead giveaway

rumble rumble rumble

xD

Infected mushroom also has some insane tracks

^ that song is straight fire starting at 2:30

'Midnight Sun' by Alien Project & Astrix

[little schooner]

@unborn sluice it's censoring it for you

[tame carbon]

I could go on

I have literally over 5000 songs in this playlist

[unborn sluice]

hmm, my pattern recognition is learning

[nova mesa]

Do you have spotify installed?

[unborn sluice]

now I need more negatives

[tame carbon]

@nova mesa dont need spotify for this to be displayed

[unborn sluice]

these are all positive data, I need negative data to enhance the pattern

[tame carbon]

Forest psytrance ^ 178bpm

[unborn sluice]

yup, I think the psytrance signature is clicking

[tame carbon]

for this you kinda need a subwoofer

[unborn sluice]

nah, would play it on a cheap headphone

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice when you stand on a stage, live

you can feel sub 40Hz frequencies

with your body

cus they have like 10kW subwoofers

[unborn sluice]

yup, been there

that's when I start to question. AM I tired, or is my body fucking vibrating ?

[tame carbon]

hahaha

https://www.funktion-one.com/img/homepage/1.jpg

^ subwoofer

[unborn sluice]

hmm, what if I actually took a differnt route

[tame carbon]

also, this is so offtopic

I hope I dont get muted

@unborn sluice accept friend request :)

[drowsy hull]

hello mods

[unborn sluice]

it's not offtopic if we can relate it to networking

[tame carbon]

networked speakers

ok

we on topic again

[unborn sluice]

ping that subwoofer

we need to check the packet loss

clyde says hello

[tame carbon]

y u do this

[unborn sluice]

i'll whitelist you

[tame carbon]

obvious bait is obvious

[unborn sluice]

now what happened to the smb guy

@abstract nexus

you still there?

hmm 6hrs difference @tame carbon . NL right?

[tame carbon]

yes

[unborn sluice]

gtg

time to sleep early

[tame carbon]

aight

take care

[unborn sluice]

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice if you still had questions on the GPON

@rocky badge is around

maybe he can share secrets of the arts

[unborn sluice]

I haven't pulled the trigger on the router

probably tom or monday, to call the ISP

i don't want to sleep yet

@tame carbon any recommendation what to learn lol

[tame carbon]

oof

ehh

drawing a blank

[unborn sluice]

◾

[tame carbon]

if you just want to learn stuff and be lazy while doing so

level1 has great videos

you probably know them already from LTT colab

Its more technical and detailed

they also provide sources to everything

[unborn sluice]

hmm

[tame carbon]

and best practices on how to go about doing enterprise hardware/software setups

[unborn sluice]

lemme check it out

[tame carbon]

https://www.youtube.com/c/TekLinux/videos

Thats their linux specific channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAuEgepZG_8

this ^ made me move away from traditional raid

I now use btrfs raid

[unborn sluice]

nah, I still use zfs

[tame carbon]

ZFS is the new hotness

vs traditional hardware raid

because bitrot

[unborn sluice]

this is why freenas is likable

it's relatively easy

[tame carbon]

I have two disks, with identical Luks keys

and btrfs ontop of that

[misty terrace]

good to know, now that i have a raid card 🙂

[tame carbon]

@misty terrace its more about the specifics on what the actual raid hardware does with invalid data

if disk A and disk B report different content, which one is the right one?

[unborn sluice]

flip a coin

[tame carbon]

btrfs and zfs are tolerant to this

they can use checksums to verify

err

parity

[unborn sluice]

raid5 creeps

[tame carbon]

nice thing about btrfs raid

even if you have only one disk

you can mount it

not sure if btrfs is ready for striped raid yet

last I checked that was experimental

[slow pivot]

shoudn't have to worry about bitrot regardless because your backup software will let you know if that happens

[tame carbon]

wat

since when

[crude brook]

??

[slow pivot]

since... forever? Part of backing up is figuring out what has changed.

[tame carbon]

smart can say its fine, but can still return faulty data

[crude brook]

What would that help with?

Backup would just back up the faulty data

[tame carbon]

^

[slow pivot]

if the file last modified times haven't changed yet the contents have, then there's an issue

[tame carbon]

again

modification doesnt matter

if the disk returns faulty data

unless your filesystem has some way of detecting this

your backup software hapily backs up faulty data

[slow pivot]

if the file should not have been modified, and the backup software grabs a checksum of the contents to verify this, and the checksums don't match, it flags it

[tame carbon]

hence, btrfs or zfs

traditional raid doesnt save you from this

[slow pivot]

of course traditional raid doesn't do that

and yes, zfs and btrfs both do that internally

years back we were using backup software that was doing this as well

[tame carbon]

rsync is the only tool I use for that

[thick minnow]

Hi all, if a gateway WAN-facing router doesn't have a bridge mode but has an AP mode, would that work to put it in that mode so that it just passes traffic to my router that has all my QoS/packet prioritization stuff on it? I don't want to end up with a Double NAT scenario or have the two routers fighting each other. ISP says I have to use their router as the gateway though because that's how they authenticate customers.

[nova igloo]

Hi, any suggested or recommended network scrubbing engine? Either paid or Open-Source.

[hollow marlin]

Netbox is widely used in enterprise. Open source and from hearing people's experience will document most your network

[nova igloo]

I mean scrubbing engine that mitigating DDOS attack. I think Netbox is just a ware that for routing?

[hollow marlin]

Oh, I read that wrong

Paid solutions vary for what bandwidth you are trying to scrub. Open source is quite limited

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin they need a tunnel to an actual ddos filtering service

😚

[crude brook]

@nova igloo What is the actual goal?

To prevent your home network form being DDoSed?

[nova igloo]

No lol

Build a small data center for game servers

[rocky badge]

@waxen scroll REEEE Can my ISP peer with Google directly 😂

[crude brook]

I doubt you will manage to do that cheaply

[rocky badge]

so me -> Google doesn't have to go through Level 3

[crude brook]

@rocky badge Banned from homelab?

[rocky badge]

👀 yes 😂

[clear igloo]

blob, did you question someone correctly? 😛

[rocky badge]

I thought I recognized you

[crude brook]

Recognised your name, but saw you wasn't there :p

[rocky badge]

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  router.infra.ryois.me [10.0.20.1]
  2     7 ms     7 ms    11 ms  host-192-199-190-1.twlakes.net [192.199.190.1]
  3     9 ms     6 ms     8 ms  gnbo-edge-197.inet.twlakes.net [63.135.176.197]
  4    37 ms    39 ms    87 ms  xe-11-1-0.edge2.Atlanta4.Level3.net [4.53.238.73]
  5    16 ms    16 ms    16 ms  72.14.210.3
  6    18 ms    18 ms    18 ms  172.253.71.61
  7    16 ms    16 ms    16 ms  108.170.225.117
  8    23 ms     *       16 ms  dns.google [8.8.8.8]
``` because going to Google goes through Level 3 :/

[waxen scroll]

wait what

@rocky badge of all people got banned from r/homelab ?

[rocky badge]

😂

[waxen scroll]

cause you werent liberal enough? 👀 👀

[rocky badge]

And it wasn't really anything directly related to homelab

and it didn't take place in homelab either

[waxen scroll]

oh, so mod abuse? thats typical

im not sure banning across all subs a mod is in is even allowed

[rocky badge]

Nah, not the subreddit, the Discord lol

So still as toxic mods 😂

[waxen scroll]

o

[rocky badge]

Reddit and Discord mods, what's the difference

[waxen scroll]

i guess

pick your echo chamber

[little schooner]

reddit owner has done some questionable things

Especially during last election

[rocky badge]

https://blob.rocks/2HPjn5xaGm.png

Uploading to google drive from rclone

[little schooner]

@rocky badge I want that upload speed

But concast believes otherwise

[rocky badge]

😉 https://blob.rocks/UcBJ43HwaB.gif

[little schooner]

@rocky badge the problem with Google drive is that it isn't block storage

Unless rclone changes that?

[rocky badge]

lmao https://blob.rocks/Cy5uUS9NiE.png

rclone checks the files uploaded

[little schooner]

@rocky badge but what if it gets interrupted halfway

Drive isn't block oriented

[rocky badge]

but otherwise it doesn't really do much

it'll redo it iirc

[little schooner]

Oh no I can't have that

I would have to wait another month for it to upload

[waxen scroll]

block storage = bad

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll explain your position

[waxen scroll]

you only need block storage if you want to fake a hard drive for a VM. if you dont need to boot from it or send it disk commands then all you need is object storage

[little schooner]

So what onedrive uses is akin to object storage?

Where it doesn't have to re-upload the whole thing again...

[waxen scroll]

i feel like with cloud theres a 3rd name but im drawing a blank on it

[little schooner]

I had a deadline to meet and Google drive ruined me that night

[waxen scroll]

ah. a blob

LOL

[little schooner]

So @rocky badge was basically the answer in disguise

[waxen scroll]

yep

[little schooner]

Very nice.

[rocky badge]

Lol

[little schooner]

@rocky badge 5D moves eh?

[waxen scroll]

at the end of the day they're objects but I think MS azure defines block, object, and blob as different things

[little schooner]

Makes sense.

What I don't agree with is the personal Vault system

The only thing that stops people from getting in is a 6 digit pass code

I completely disagree with their approach

[cedar igloo]

blob, have you explained anywhere about how you host images and screenshots on your own domain/webserver so quickly? do you just screenshot and save a png to the webserver or is there more behind it?

[ornate jungle]

Guessing it's probably automated using ShareX or another tool. Many screenshot applications support automagically uploading screenshots to a server over SFTP (hopefully never just FTP) with random filenames and putting the link to the screenshot on your clipboard so you can just paste it wherever.

[rocky badge]

ShareX, Google Cloud Storage API

[hollow marlin]

@waxen scroll more tunneling to CF 💩

[cobalt iris]

Mmmmm

[waxen scroll]

#screenshots we dont allow speed test posts in this channel anymore

@stable ice

[cobalt iris]

[waxen scroll]

not kidding

none of us are impressed, this isnt 2010

@rocky badge what ever happened to the hacking you were going to do

[rocky badge]

lol

[gritty garden]

none of us are impressed, this isnt 2010
triggered

9193 mbps is still very impressive

[waxen scroll]

@gritty garden ill make an exception for 100G

because i havent seen one yet

[gritty garden]

the average household wifi speed is 25mbps

[waxen scroll]

lol

[gritty garden]

100g... hmm

maybe in 30 years that would be the norm lol

[waxen scroll]

its starting to become the norm in private business connection. i dont think ive seen 100G internet at a business that wasnt an ISP yet

[hidden storm]

i mean my school district is 10g

but its 7 schools into one main location that then goes out

[rocky badge]

We're only 4Gbps/4Gbps burst to 5Gbps at school for 14 sites

Each site is connected back to the high school with 10Gbps

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge why dont you BYOD

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll I wont do it if they force me to install their ca on my device

[waxen scroll]

whats installing their CA do?

just wifi auth?

[rocky badge]

@waxen scroll school?

[waxen scroll]

oh that was xeon

[little schooner]

yes me

[waxen scroll]

yes school

[little schooner]

in order to access their wifi

they want mitm

im saying it as an example

remember my sisters school

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge i dont understand why, when you seem to have money, did your parents lease a laptop vs BYOD

seems like all problems go away

[little schooner]

more money, more problems though, right?

[waxen scroll]

no, thats only if you dont know how to handle money

[little schooner]

Ill have to see when I get big money coming in

then i can reflect on that

[rocky badge]

Lol

parents are byod

[waxen scroll]

if you're broke and you hang out with broke people who like to borrow money... yeah, sure. no money skills? yeah sure.

then why is your admin locked out from your BYOD

@little schooner all i can say is once you get 401k, max it out. if no 401k, max out IRA

then you can play with the rest

if you live at home its easy to do

[little schooner]

k

[unborn sluice]

K

[little schooner]

@unborn sluice you're still awake?

[unborn sluice]

No, I'm currently sleeping

I'm sleep chatting

[little schooner]

@unborn sluice isnt that only possible with a pokemon move?

[unborn sluice]

I don't have awakening potion currently, so I can't use any moves

[little schooner]

If only I knew what to say next lol

[queen flax]

[lethal marlin]

???

the last post was two hours ago lol

[queen flax]

i wasn using it to copy and paste in another server bud

[crude brook]

@thick minnow if you dont care about local transfer speeds cat5 is plenty

Doesnt make sense to purchase it though

[unborn sluice]

What do you use currently

[tame carbon]

Cat5 isnt being sold anymore

probably all cat5e now

which can do gigabit

@thick minnow I've ran ethernet over old phone lines, itll work

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twisted_pair#Building_infrastructure

There's a table, where you can find the recommended cable types, for a given application

usually, the limitation is how long you can run a cable

@thick minnow as a rule of thumb, permanent electrics like house wiring for ethernet

should be cat7

cat7 includes shielding

reduces interference

I use cat6 most of the time

cat6a is shielded

cat7 is so expensive

xD

cus it has a lot of internal parts twisted around the core

@thick minnow https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/JIv7D3hypPY9_nqV6NiP3KuHjITzIuYV4DcL9QjF0AOTt2i_ScYH7K5lL5-ZqLYUgGjOSj7FI9Pd7k9m261dOg75ybh_wpX3e4um2Bdtg-YOYx1VtkDstf2derjSupKHYCUBjFYi3zaFOg

you can see, 6a and 7 have shielding

cat6 just has a plastic core

which is also twisted

66cents/meter

:3

it is expensive, if you plan on wiring up an office with 10 sockets

I stopped bothering with big bundles of copper cable

and just got fiber optics

and then just use a switch on the other side

ye

[unborn sluice]

Ye

[tame carbon]

between my router, server and main switch, I have 10g fiber optics

costs like 50 bucks

xD

I have 250mbit uplink from my isp

but the NAS in my server

can do more than 1gbit/s

Netherlands

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310468657777999874/725362847411863612/20200624_151216.jpg

those yellow things are fibers

who, @unborn sluice ?

[unborn sluice]

who, @unborn sluice ?
@tame carbon who

[tame carbon]

wat

@thick minnow most consumer electronics use RJ45 ethernet

but enterprise has another standard: SFP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_form-factor_pluggable_transceiver

SFP isnt that expensive

10Gbit/s SFP+ modules for fibers, cost maybe 20 bucks

copper is lame

I want laz0rs

It is a laser

infrared

you cant see it

but it can burn your retinas out

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51KCyAO%2BCNL._AC_.jpg

[misty terrace]

24k gold plated fiber

[tame carbon]

@misty terrace lol

basically

you need two of these

https://i.imgur.com/gNTEupH.png

and a length of fiber

I pay around 5 bucks for 30 meters (with connectors prespliced)

@thick minnow FS is german company, fibers are fabbed in China

they do worldwide shipping

lame

I only get screwed if I order things from the US

I once paid 18 euros import fees, on a shirt that cost $37 including shipping

thanks spreadshirt.

stupid company.

@unborn sluice what for

[unborn sluice]

Wdym

[tame carbon]

messages are already stored on NSA's server by then

[unborn sluice]

Hope my fbi agent reads this

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow but these fiber optics in consumer space

has only really been a thing in the last 2-3 years now

enterprise is getting newer tech

so the previous generation, trickles down to consumers

Im not talking about trump on this here discord

not want to get muted again

but I share your grievances

^

@thick minnow do you know theoretical bandwidth limits on a single fiber pair? :D

with Dense-Wavelength-Division-Multiplexing, (fancy device with optical prisms and mirrors)

You can stuff around ~ 96 different wavelengths over a fiber

with QSFP+ up to 100 and even 200gbit/s

that makes for 9.6tbit or 18tbit/s respectively

^ over 1 fiber pair

ocean fiber cables often carry 100 or more fiber pairs

So, the fact that Australia has bad internet, comes down to choice.

Choice to screw customers for the extra buck

This is what DWDM systems look like: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Dwdm_equipment.jpg/800px-Dwdm_equipment.jpg

These can do, terrabits/second

DERP

Austria

lmfao

I misread lol

bad internet, reads australia

cus aussies have shitnet

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/WDM_operating_principle.svg/1920px-WDM_operating_principle.svg.png

[unborn sluice]

Ayyy lmao

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice thats how DWDM ^ works

[unborn sluice]

Why me

[tame carbon]

cus

❤️

[unborn sluice]

😍

[tame carbon]

@unborn sluice and DWDM is why, I think that PONs (passive optical networks) are garbage

[unborn sluice]

Ikr

The problem currently is PON is what we have

[tame carbon]

because PONs do wavelength multiplexing too

but

every house sits on the same fiber

its like coaxial

[unborn sluice]

Going to dwdm would mean yeeting the current infrastructure

[tame carbon]

yes

[unborn sluice]

Those companies wouldn't want those

Fuck em

[tame carbon]

each house gets their own pair of fibers

I have two fiber lines in my house :)

one is active

@unborn sluice they were quite smart with the fiber installation here though

they take a big neighborhood, and run the main fiber pipes, in a circle

Line 1 is from the circle clockwise

Line 2 is counter clockwise

if the fiber snaps halfway

they can just loop around the other way

using the other line

[unborn sluice]

Atleast it's pretty reliable

[tame carbon]

well

its in case of a faulty fiber

they can switch you over within the SLA's agreement

I have a 6 hour SLA

so if my net goes down, they have 6 hours to fix it

[unborn sluice]

Hmm 6hrs is decent for consumers

Normally it's 1 day support for other countries

[tame carbon]

well, its an enterprise grade fiber network

but also used for consumers

I just happen to have a corporate ISP

but there's consumer only ISPs too

If you can band them together

really depends

Iv'e seen this in germany

where people in a town, banded together, had a fiber optic line installed

[unborn sluice]

I think the big ISP would cockblock me before I even get to the backbone

[tame carbon]

and then put a bunch of p2p antennas on the tallest building in the town

and everyone has a dish on their roof

this is more reliable than copper at a much lower price

[unborn sluice]

Assuming I'm not a socially awkward guy

[elfin socket]

I savor at the chance of deploying a P2P network.

[tame carbon]

I went in discussions with german municipalities where my dad owns a campingground (tourism)

they are making a big ditch

for new sewer systems

I persuaded them to lay out fiber optics

and even found an ISP willing to peer for us

next year: 1gbit fiber

[clear igloo]

And here in freedom land the ISPs would block that faster than you could say gesundheit

[tame carbon]

@clear igloo US ISPs are a cartel

[unborn sluice]

Damn the internet price here is horrible