calm quarry
Your best solution isn't a dedicated ethernet it's your own line. You can get decent connections for well nder $100 a month.
Because my next advice would be a device or really two devices from ubiquity. But with two walls and a hallway it would be really hard to get a reliable connection from any wireless point to point.
Even if like 40 or 50 bucks a month for a 50 meg connection from spectrum. I've never liked the idea of sharing a network it's like sharing a diary lol
What should I look out for when buying a third party router?
@nova sierra
Ubiquiti dream machine. Best money you'll ever spend on your home.
uncut gorge
Yeah I understand the privacy thing it doesnt really bother me and my own connection is fine too. I was just trying to go the cheap way and use someone elses connection lmao
calm quarry
To get a good reliable connection you would need to spend at least 150 to 200 bucks on wireless devices. At that point you're already in like three or 4 months of your own connection
And could have put that money towards your own nice roughter
If it was a line of sight like he was next door then it'd be a piece of cake he just point the two devices at each other and it's like having a cable in the air but going through walls. It's a lot harder
uncut gorge
I already got a decent router and modem from previous internet services I had. And yeah he is nextdoor its just the two walls inbetween that I think messes up the connection. Most of the time it is a steady connection with like 10 ping and download of over 200mbps and upload close to 100mbps, Its just when the connection gets lost is when it sucks
calm quarry
Physically sharing a wall or like next door ? Because if it's not physically sharing a wall and you have an outdoor space you could mount point-to-point. Then that could work but then again that's also kind of a lot of effort
Here's a thread discussing something similar with similar results as here
uncut gorge
Thank you very much for all your help. I'm most likely going to end up getting my own line anyway just to avoid most of the hassle
icy frigate
Hey I’ve never used one before, but I’m principle if I plug a switch into my router to extend the number of Ethernet ports, my router should just assign an IP to each device on the switch, right?
vapid dune
Yup
dire crag
if dhcp is enabled yes
exotic sand
so i have a technical problem that i need help with. so my Billiard club needs wifi connection in the club but the ISP is unable to provide us with connection so i thought we can use 4g SIM card to get internet from but apparently we dont have signal inside the club so i thought maybe i can use an outdoor LTE router, after searching it turned up to be too expensive for our budget.
does anyone have other suggestions would be grateful
exotic sand
the outdoor router what i found was around 300-400 Euros
waxen scroll
sounds right
exotic sand
that’s why im looking for a cheaper slouation
vapid dune
why can't the ISP provide a connection?
hollow marlin
If you just need LTE WAN then look at Mikrotik's outdoor lineup
wary sequoia
in my house i am paired with Virgin Media and have a Superhub 3. We have constant ten minute cut outs and we can’t deal with it anymore. How would we fix it? Would getting a third party router fix the issue or would I need to talk to my ISP and ask for a new router?
ebon wasp
Is the router responsible for the cut outs?
waxen scroll
no
little schooner
@ebon wasp most of the time people are
idle grove
Question Does ISP support mesh Wifi or they don't I was thinking of buy one for the house due my parents are using Wifi and they don't like installing cable in the wall or having cables stapled in their wall and also I stated getting annoying the slow speed due my parents for buying a smart tv I was gonna use it more bandwidth than them for better signal strength.
vapid dune
What?
idle grove
Basically I wanted get wired connection to my laptop form one room to another but, due my parents don't like cables on the floor or stapling the wall so I got another research there powerlines adapters but, what I hear and experienced by others they are low ping but the speed are limited due the coppering and the age of the house, then another solution is MOCA adapters I try look how install but problem is it requires to connect a router and coaxial cable to put the adapter I only have one but, I need buy another coaxial cable for the modem plus there no TV on the room where the modem is and mine is 2 rooms away form there plus it required to buy 2 which cost 100 dollars each and the only one I have is mesh router which I heard is good and does not lose the WIFI signal at all the only thing is if the ISP will accept mesh systems.
I was gonna do home networking but, cost and requires some wall mods will make my parents angry
vapid dune
the ISP doesn't really have anything to do with the mesh system
and personally I wouldn't recommend it unless it was the last option you have
how big of a place is it? maybe you just need 1 good centrally placed AP
and what are the walls made of
idle grove
Walls are sheetrock about has some 3 inch spaceing as the rooms extemated about 18 ft x 18ft for 3 rooms including mine and there closet between mine and my brother
As the centering I could do it but one problem one is the coxal cable I need buy one for making it longer to the middle room (which is my brother room) second is I need make a hole to put it on which making a mees and my parents don't like holes on the walls due they don't like see the house look bad and needs to be pached and repainted
topaz quarry
@idle grove if your house has coax you can just use moca adapters and have a mesh system with a wired backhaul
little schooner
@waxen scroll so the services for video live streaming and record that my university uses (Kaltura) is down for the 6th time when teachers and students need it the most for hybrid classes
I don't understand how a company could be so incompetent
It almost sounds like they are a startup that overpromised and fails to deliver
It's like they don't know how to scale before they offered to different universities their solutions
Exposed how bad their infrastructure is
waxen scroll
at least its not pearson
swift hornet
schools internet speed
topaz quarry
@little schooner it's an astoudingly difficult problem that's really only been solved by twitch, netflix, and youtube
little schooner
They should admit that when they were chosen
waxen scroll
nah.... but the lawyers should have put SLAs on the contract
foggy thicket
would this be a solid network for a lan party with 196 BYOC seats?
waxen scroll
@jaunty talon did the networking for dreamhack... but just looking at it sure its fine but theres not enough info realistically about models, bandwidth needs, etc
i dont run gaming events so i tagged him cause he knows that stuff
lol
if i did it with no resources I would prob lock all ports to 100mb, 2x 1GB uplinks to switches or 1x 10GB
"main fiber switch" will need to be rated for that forwarding capacity
you have to think about what users with unlimited freedom will do if you kept the connections full speed
1Gb/s file xfers to some other switch/user... so your 1x 1Gb uplink on two switches will be busy and probably noticed in a game
1Gb/s attempt to download from internet
foggy thicket
to be honest, i don't even know the speed of the internet at the place i'm gonna be hosting it at. I'm guessing its around 1Gb/s
when me & the other people hosting the event have discussed if it's going to even happen next year of i think fairly known reasons, i will email the city hall about the rent of that place and at the same time the internet speeds
thick minnow
Hey guys so i know it sounds weird but can anyone suggest me an wifi adapter thats very very long range and has gigabit speed
hollow marlin
@foggy thicket The two labeled "hub" are they actually hubs or switches?
waxen scroll
@plain siren why would I buy an NCS over an ASR9k?
jaunty talon
@foggy thicket nothing wrong with the design :)
quite similar to dreamhack's design
charred meadow
Don't forget to think about power distribution. The lan party at my friends uni has a history of blowing breakers.
waxen scroll
rocky badge
So I'm planning out the network and live streaming setup for a football field at school.
For ~40m length, point to point diagonal, should we use GigaBeams/PtP from Ubiquiti or see if fiber is possible? It's mainly going to be for clock operators, NDI video, and general WiFi and such.
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smh
waxen scroll
fiber should be your very first choice
never ever choose wireless unless fiber is completely out of the question. especially if you're going to stream
little schooner
@waxen scroll fiber is also part of a balanced diet, so yeah, why not take care of two problems at the same time?
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It's gonna come from the switch to sideline, I think I know a way down down there but I'll have to check
little schooner
product visuals nice
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this entire diagram is based on images besides cameras lol
waxen scroll
realistically you'll be installing new conduit runs, so it doesnt matter if theres no path
xD
little schooner
How can a falling tree destroy fiber lines that are buried underground? the shockwave is that strong to break the glass core or something?
@rocky badge looks very cool. nice work
waxen scroll
who said a tree is gonna damage anything?
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@little schooner https://blob.rocks/IyfudH5KrP.png
little schooner
@waxen scroll on reddit I saw a few stories that mentioned this
tree fell and fiber line is down
and they had to dig it up
waxen scroll
sounds like india
little schooner
does the dual wireless hdmi transmitter work well? @rocky badge
@waxen scroll hm it was a while back. I need to review the post again if they mentioned location
rocky badge
Yeah
waxen scroll
hey blob
rocky badge
?
waxen scroll
rouing is an electric who has access to a datacenter, maybe he can advise
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waxen scroll
yeah
little schooner
I'd probably live the same way though
waxen scroll
i wish i could give ASR9ks out once the maintenance expires
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https://blob.rocks/y53Qao4U4E.png @little schooner
waxen scroll
@rocky badge the school has $$$$$$ you can buy wireless first for $300 or whatever it is.... if it proves unreliable, oh well
little schooner
@rocky badge just exactly how many spreadsheets are you using to keep track of everything? that is pretty good
I need to organize more myself
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little schooner
Good. It makes it easier for troubleshooting and later referencing
waxen scroll
you should see my change scripts. i cant post them tho
little schooner
@waxen scroll if I dont see in my contract that they restrict the postings of scripts or snippnets from them, im technically safe to post them yeah?
rocky badge
I need to automate this https://blob.rocks/pSSIMjTki8.png
waxen scroll
you can technically do anything you want. and they can technically not like it and fire you
little schooner
ouch
the real world. I have to be ready for it.
@rocky badge hm your right. Im sure if you embedded excel scripting code inside of it it is possible
waxen scroll
i make what blob just posted with python
rocky badge
Well yeah
waxen scroll
yep. i also use it to do things excel can do but is a pain
rocky badge
Hmm
little schooner
makes sense
rocky badge
Nah nvm that's dumb
Was gonna ask if we should just run one Ethernet cable for the laptops and use a USW Flex Mini
but that would bottleneck lol
vale reef
@rocky badge What do you use your XR12 for
waxen scroll
looks like a ghetto mixer
rocky badge
@vale reef @waxen scroll it was a cheap rack mount mixer that could be remotely controlled over the network lol
vale reef
haha
I have an XR18
and I installed a bunch of X32 xr16 and mr12s recently
I love the behringer consoles
rocky badge
We have a X32 as well but this doesn't need may channels
vale reef
Yeah that makes sense
waxen scroll
lol
vale reef
Lol
vale reef
I love how on the XR18 and X32 you have 18x18 (xr18) and 32x32 (x32) USB interfaces
waxen scroll
i used to work with stage stuff, mostly lighting controls though
rocky badge
or Ultranet
vale reef
We have a little dante but I am pushing for more
I'm level 2 certified atm but I want to get 3
dante is literally perfect
rocky badge
We don't have any dante
but we barely have a network infrastructure in the PAC at school
vale reef
fuck creston
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🖕 Crestron
waxen scroll
lol creston expensive AF
vale reef
I'm gonna build a little unifi rack so I can have a network durring the big events and stuff
vale reef
rip
rocky badge
its locked to the crestron techs
vale reef
Yeah you cant program for shit
Does the x32 go into the crestron
then does that go into the amps?
vale reef
Yeah
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X32 into Crestron for monitoring
vale reef
Its really cool
rocky badge
Football is gonna be our NDI test subject
vale reef
I've set up a 5 camera setup with SDI and an ATEM television studio
Made a triple monitor setup with two PCs the x32 and the atem
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DMX is sent over Cat6A as well
vale reef
so we got a new cable
Nice
I will take a picture of the setup when I go in tomorrow or saturday if I remember
rocky badge
I'm gonna setup an overkill network for the press box
vale reef
Hahaha
I wish I could get internet through my AV networks but I would be double natted
waxen scroll
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I don't want to worry about reliability
waxen scroll
the last console i worked on
vale reef
nice grandma
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nice ma
waxen scroll
ive been out of the game for 5 years now tho
rocky badge
ma2 is still used
vale reef
i want to get the dp48 iem mixers
rocky badge
ma3 is the newest
vale reef
so we can have the musicians all on iems
rocky badge
but a lot of shows are still running on ma2
vale reef
yeah
rocky badge
Yes
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vale reef
haha
waxen scroll
dem zip ties
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optical isolation for DMX
vale reef
i want to get a new desk in our booth
vale reef
blob what type of av stuff do you do
rocky badge
this is just shit at school lol
vale reef
do you do like theatre stuff or music stuff or
rocky badge
I'm focusing on broadcast/video right now
rocky badge
I can do lighting
vale reef
its important rn since covid
waxen scroll
ill have to ask if the place i worked with has a grandma 3 yet... ill have to test drive
vale reef
i suck at lighting
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Going to learn audio
vale reef
but im still the best at my school
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gates/compressors/etc
vale reef
yeah its cool stuff
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So my teacher is having to do audio
vale reef
you should learn
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vale reef
there are so many youtube videos as well
vale reef
antenna distrobution?
waxen scroll
most ghetto board ive used was ETC Expression
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Yeah
vale reef
that stuff is important
waxen scroll
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So we could shove our wireless receivers in the booth
vale reef
yeah
vale reef
yes
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vale reef
do you use tablet control with the mixer
vale reef
do you have an isolated network
rocky badge
yes
vale reef
or is it in the schools network
rocky badge
fuck no
vale reef
my school has aerohive (now extreme?) network stuff
rocky badge
Our football press box is on its own Spectrum enterprise network
vale reef
lol
rocky badge
because we don't want to deal with IT
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offline
vale reef
yeah same
online is useful but not good for reliabillity
but its nice to be able to control stuff from across the building
or through vpn 😳
vale reef
yeah
waxen scroll
@rocky badge most used board was Hog3PC
vale reef
i was considering asking the sysadmin to make me a seperate VLAN at all the schools just for AV stuff
but im scared the password is gonna get leaked
and its gonna be annoying asf
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VLAN 10 - NDI Video and Broadcast (Internet)
VLAN 20 - Clock/Scoreboard (No Internet)
VLAN 30 - Audio (No Internet)
VLAN 40 - Guest
vale reef
nice
my school spends the money in the wrong places
10k light console
20 year old dimmer lights with dead bulbs
vale reef
and then great speakers
overpriced bose shit
and then analog mixer
and then at the high school
rocky badge
LMAO
vale reef
we have x32 and good bose stuff
rocky badge
Yeah teacher wants to work on audio
vale reef
but shitty lighting all arround
waxen scroll
@vale reef i skipped school theater and did mega church instead. no issues with equipment quality
haha
vale reef
at house of worship they actually treat tech people with respect
get good equiptment
and pay them lol
rocky badge
A HoW near me has a UniFi video distribution lol
@vale reef Wanna know the router we use in the PAC for mixer and shit?
waxen scroll
i had moving lights, modern consoles, huge auditoriums.... they had a massive video suite
vale reef
at mine we have a unifi network with a few behringer mixers and a ton of cool stuff like the atem switchers and cameras
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vale reef
I have an old wireless G router just for dhcp
vale reef
then im gonna get a unifi switch and AP
rocky badge
range is good
vale reef
but its on 2.4 only
vale reef
yeah
waxen scroll
@vale reef they have to treat with respect cause its like 90% volunteer
vale reef
for wifi or wireless audio or both
rocky badge
just for wifi lol
vale reef
yeah depends on where you go as well
rocky badge
Guest brings in their own ubiquiti ptp
rocky badge
oof
vale reef
so much rf
waxen scroll
whose treating you bad exactly?
vale reef
just everyone just doesnt acknowledge how much work goes into all of the AV stuff
waxen scroll
o
vale reef
programming lighting and audio
mixing 20 wireless mics plus pit
staying late setting it up
tech stuff takes forever
waxen scroll
lmao
waxen scroll
church is also very chill with mistakes, infact they welcome them especially when training other churches on tech... cause we look great but people gotta realize not to be too hard on themselves
its a lot. you're human
vale reef
yeah i know
rocky badge
Yeah
rocky badge
yup
little schooner
Ughh new England area for Comcast internet is down
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and training the actors to not do X
waxen scroll
one of my favorites was they were paying me to do lighting for a major training event (people fly in from all over the world) and I only had half a program.... during their long talk i was putting the board into blind mode and programming the rest of it LOL....
little schooner
Why does this keep happening....
rocky badge
don't do X, don't do Y
I wish we had a grandma2, our lighting console is running Windows 7 
@vale reef
rocky badge
Yeah
vale reef
We have an etc ion
its so good
but the fixtures suck
we got 15 channels of ulxd with countryman headset mics
vale reef
And I can power lock
rocky badge
well not etcnet
vale reef
And it's so good
Except someone kept unplugging their mic since they were scared I would forget to mute it
rocky badge
We're gonna try out birddog's communication
vale reef
When if they aren't in the scene they won't be in the mix at all
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bird dog even supports dante
vale reef
i love dante
vale reef
oh my god that looks cool
waxen scroll
anyway the problem with church tech and one of the reasons I dont do it anymore is for larger programs you'd be there for almost 12hr+ over sat-sunday combined. smaller programs you'll be there at 6am sharp to program and then leave maybe around 3pm
vale reef
i see that looks cool
waxen scroll
but muh CLEARCOM
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let them know their camera is active
vale reef
yeah
vale reef
i was considering getting voip phones to communicate between backstage and other locations
before show
and stuff
vale reef
wow
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RS232
waxen scroll
@rocky badge does your school use scrollers?
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led bby
vale reef
blob does your school use crestron
or just the auditorium (im assuming thats the room)
vale reef
just the x32 room
rocky badge
yup
vale reef
i just replaced a system with that
and it sucks
like why not xlr?
even quarter inch
vale reef
thats so good
vale reef
ndi is video over IP right
rocky badge
yes
vale reef
yeah that stuff is cool
rocky badge
along with audio and control
vale reef
im trying to figure out a way to get a conductor cam as low latency as possigble
but i was looking i might have to go analog
vale reef
i think my conductor cam might be overkill lol
waxen scroll
@little schooner what AV did you do
little schooner
Huh
waxen scroll
you didnt do AV in school?
rocky badge
I'm gonna have to figure out a rig for the cameras @vale reef
vale reef
Do you have the cameras yet
rocky badge
yes
vale reef
Which cameras
rocky badge
I don't remember 😂
vale reef
haha
rocky badge
some canon
rocky badge
we're doing it in software 
vale reef
vmix?
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no
vale reef
or the field place
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press box
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football field
vale reef
You might want a stream deck for controling
rocky badge
yeah
vale reef
tons of ethernet
and power maybe
I'd get wire spool things so you can reel up the wires really easily
rocky badge
Camera -> NDI encoder -> Resolume -> Jumbotron & OBS
-> OBS -> RTMP
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vale reef
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Should be enough
vale reef
something like this is good for putting all the wires away neatly
little schooner
@waxen scroll I did not. The class mostly focused on learning photoshop and some end of year project that I never did
I hated the class
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udmp
vale reef
OH the udm pro has one
yeah just about to say
forgot
how do you manage credentials in your school
my school doesnt have any password manager
little schooner
The teacher basically wanted us to learn from a book and he didn't teach it with us
rocky badge
AD
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Everything is SSO
waxen scroll
@little schooner you should have done stage tech
vale reef
But for unifi stuff
vale reef
Yeah but how do you store it
waxen scroll
@rocky badge Actors do it on stage, techies do it in the dark
little schooner
@waxen scroll sounds more fun than digital design
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I personally use bitwarden idk what my teacher uses
vale reef
Ok
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@waxen scroll lol
vale reef
Since I need to find some secure way to share passwords with the teachers
so when im not there or if i leave
they can use the systems
little schooner
Bitwarden is pretty good
vale reef
maybe IT can make some shared folder idk
little schooner
@vale reef lastpass has more name recognition
vale reef
yeah but i dont know if students are allowed to use it technically
so i cant force other students to get it
so i need to think of a district approved way to store passwords
little schooner
They have to use it? Why?
vale reef
I guess the teachers can use it only
But it will be a pain having teachers use password managers
and passing all of it down
I have to talk with the department director to figure stuff out
little schooner
Right now, my school is all sso with ad credentials
vale reef
Ours used to use AD but moved to sign in with google/clever which I hate
vale reef
But I mean for like local passwords for any router stuff
or sound accounts
that dont have SSO
that are shared accounts
little schooner
Yes you need a different system
vale reef
Yeah
little schooner
Nothing a password Vault can't solve
vale reef
Yeah I might convince him to use lastpass or something
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vale reef
Yeah but thats way too overkill for wireless to control a mixer and a few other things
little schooner
I know
vale reef
lol
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Even a UDMP is overkill for our needs
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but its a latest gen unifi router
vale reef
and you convinced them to get it
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that's rack mounted
vale reef
How stable is it
vale reef
lol
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little schooner
@vale reef as stable as their QA testing
vale reef
I can't decide between using a udmp or a usg pro for a resteraunt
i think the usg pro will be more stable
vale reef
but the software updates on the udmp have been buggy
rocky badge
stay on stable channel then
vale reef
it might be better now
yeah
i love how it has controller and protect built in
so i can add cameras without needing to buy a cloud key and stuff
rocky badge
you have more people complain than to compliment
little schooner
Why is it that embedded systems with dual Lan ports and actual fast cpus are expensive
vale reef
since they know they can get away with it
little schooner
A $400 16GB quad core 8 thread cpu isn't a real thing :(
@vale reef that bothers me a lot
Instead they use junk cpus like Pentium and atom
little schooner
@vale reef but then when they use U series versions, they charge like 70% more
vale reef
I know it sucks
little schooner
Like it's stupid
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sff tax
little schooner
It's the only segment they want to hold onto to charge high
Reminds me a lot of how Intel wanted everyone to stay on quad core forever
vale reef
then amd shot em
little schooner
Yeah. We need more shots fired by competition
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I might see if we can get two udmps
vale reef
Why
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True
vale reef
lol
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Maybe I can get a gigabeam
Beam the network from the pressbox to the school
The come into the performing arts center
/s
vale reef
or ask it for an internet only line
lol
idk
they will mess it up somehow
i dont use school computers as much as possible
domain joined stuff
since its always unreliable
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I remote desktop into my VM
vale reef
having to beg them for admin to install an app
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on the server at school
vale reef
oh
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and they don't block rd app
vale reef
lol
literally the school computers just dont sometimes
like internet just randomly stops
and randomly you cant log in
so i use as many not domain joined computers as possible
vale reef
just use the domain joined stuff for things that arent crazy important
whats the nac again
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network access control
vale reef
Oh
waxen scroll
noooooo which nac?
vale reef
we have lightspeed at my school
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Extreme Networks
vale reef
im trying to get an ssl vpn or something over the https ports
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ExtremeControl
vale reef
we have extreme network APs and HP switches and routers
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They use Extreme for everything but routing, which is Cisco
waxen scroll
ive used forescout... the interface is horrible
vale reef
then lightspeed for filtering and fucking terrorizing the children with the stuff that lets them see your screen and literally block everything except one site
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ExtremeSwitching, ExtremeWireless, ExtremeAnalytics, ExtremeControl
waxen scroll
my first network job was all extreme except WAN
vale reef
do the it people like you blob
waxen scroll
it wasnt terrible TBH
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because I hurt their ego
vale reef
lol
everyone goes to me before IT
they should just give me admin creds to fix everyones issues
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ew
waxen scroll
ew
waxen scroll
support
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giving people admin creds
vale reef
hahahaha
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and static admin creds
waxen scroll
ive worked my butt off to not do support in my career anymore
vale reef
i only really help people who are nice to me at this point
i tell the others to fuck off lol
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LAPS
vale reef
we used to use AD and all the cool stuff at our school
and they moved to using macbooks locked down so hard they are literally chromebooks that they force you to lease (they describe BYOD as the worst thing on the planet but still allow it) and gsuite for everything
i hate google drive becuase its in the browser so it lags so hard
waxen scroll
lease?
waxen scroll
i thought school laptops were 100% govt funded
vale reef
pay 400-500 a year for the privilege to use a macbook so locked down its a chromebook
they dont even have byod on a seperate vlan
they have a limited access network thats an internal network that EVERYONE knows the password to
and the main network with wpa2 enterprise doesnt vlan shit at all if im on byod or whatevr
waxen scroll
whats the lifecycle on a leased laptop/
rocky badge
Ours is 6 all the way to 12
Lol
you get the laptop in 6th grade and thats yours until you graduate or leave
rocky badge
yup 
vale reef
for us you get it in 9th grade and you pay a dollar to keep it at the end of 12th
rocky badge
although they're getting better laptops
waxen scroll
businesses do ~3yrs
vale reef
but the kids in my town dont treat anything with respect so they destroy the macbooks
waxen scroll
leasing 6 years @ $400+ is bullcrap
vale reef
everyone freaks out about android phones in my school
rocky badge
4th graders got Ryzen IdeaPads this year
vale reef
some people say they dont like PCs since they are "android" at my school
lucky 4th graders
little schooner
save that $400/yr for a surface laptop or something instead
foggy thicket
@charred meadow i didn't think about that before this, i was thinking of going with a dreamhack sort of power distribution with a powerbox at the end of each row
vague geode
Hi guys, I want to ask a question regarding Juniper and an issue that I am having with it. Can I discuss that here on this channel?
hollow marlin
@vague geode Work on Juniper daily, shoot away
vague geode
Thanks man! I am getting the following error, however I am not quite sure why it is doing this. It is causing issues on the LAN. I am trying to remove this so that it shows "none". I would need to do "clear dhcp server binding all" for those to go away. It will then show "none" on the flag which is fine.
What can I do to have it removed permanently?
hollow marlin
Permanent is the new way Junos handles DHCP for ARP spoofing purposes
If you do not want permanent bindings you will have to do it the old way. Ill have to pull up the old config as they moved from that years ago
waxen scroll
@hollow marlin but what if im hosting guest wifi which is when I would mostly likely even want a DHCP server on my juniper?
baddddd decisions
hollow marlin
@vague geode The older config reminded me on how its a bad idea to go back to pre-15 DHCP config. The ARP with a permanent flag will be in the table until the lease expires on the device.
what issues are you running into?
@waxen scroll If designed right its a non-issue for this sort of thing...But for the SRX's I have seen to much random shit break with DHCP
wary sequoia
so, my house has a big problem. we think our ISP provided router is faulty. a few times a day, the wifi will completely cut out for ten minutes and there’s no way to tell what’s causing it. it’s been happening ever since we moved in, and the ISP just told us the standard ‘unplug replug, make sure everything is fully connected’, etc. so now we’re thinking of buying a new router - specifically the TP LINK ARCHER C50 AC1200. would this solve our issues or no?
waxen saddle
If it doesn't help with the wifi issue, then you probably have someone actively jamming your network, which is illegal.
...in the United States at least.
wary sequoia
would buying a new router help or not though?
robust ermine
Does anyone have any idea, can an wifi 6 or 802.11ax connect to router that had an 802.11n?
waxen saddle
@wary sequoia It should definitely help. If not, something weird is definitely going on and you should be able to return the new router.
little schooner
@waxen scroll wth, supermicro support was able to unlock bios settings in the firmware file and give it to me to get wake on Lan support
They said they kept it a hidden setting
I wish I could get this kind of support with other products
waxen saddle
Why is Wake on LAN a hidden setting?
waxen scroll
@rocky badge i hate home automation youtubers
look at me! i have 4 racks of gear in my attic, I have 5 electrical panels with relays, I have 2 teslas and a massive pool
clear igloo
👁️
rocky badge
Yeah
waxen scroll
@hollow marlin why would you ground plastic?
hollow marlin
Thats a Calix 700 series housing. The ground is actually to the copper pull line on the edge of the fiber drop
waxen scroll
so the other side is going in the house?
hollow marlin
Also once the ONT is installed its backplate has a contact so it won't fry the ONT
waxen scroll
through the screw?>
ATT has said FTTH is in my city for a while and ive seen them outside last year doing things (not in neighborhoods though)
rocky badge
the ONT is going inside
hollow marlin
Calix is what we primarily deploy. Thats the outside housing but as Blob just mentioned they are just wasting it on a NID.....why do people do this
waxen scroll
because its future planning maybe?
hollow marlin
No, just didn't want to buy real outdoor NIDs
700s have already be EOL'd and the new 800s have already taken their place last year. We still only deploy 700s as 800s require all new shelves to support the new software.
waxen saddle
Does the fiber from the street have a tracer cable?
rocky badge
@waxen scroll @hollow marlin it's a FNI-NG1-U1010
waxen scroll
if it had any kind of cable they wouldnt zip tie it to the ground
rocky badge
😂
waxen scroll
though never underestimate the laziness of some people
waxen saddle
A tracer wire would be so they can trace it underground fairly reliably. They do this on gas conduit as well because it's madness to lay gas conduit in the ground and then expect random future people to be able to locate it and not cause a huge gas explosion by digging in to it.
waxen scroll
today i learned something
little schooner
@waxen scroll I learned that qnap support is quick to want to do remote teamviewer support when the logs failed them. Also, that they have a very flexible time schedule
hollow marlin
Yeah thats why it has to be grounded. It can jump at the splice case on the poll though that line. Also servers for extra strength on drops that are handing and putting a lot of tension on the line
little schooner
@waxen saddle Not sure why it's hidden. I guess they determined many people who owned servers had no use for a setting that only works when system is off.... which is not often the case with servers
They told me to get filezilla and connect to an ftp server and grab the file
wary sequoia
new router arrived and it's been set up... hopefully there's no internet crashes today!
slim forum
UDM Pro
torpid crane
Very nice, I just retired my USG for a PFSense box.
rocky badge
At home I'm using pfSense because I don't really like UniFi routing anymore
But I'm probably gonna get a UDMP for a new setup at school
hollow marlin
Don't worry, they added OSPF and BGP to their "DC switches". Which I'm sure works flawlessly
rocky badge
their Layer 3 is shit lmao
little schooner
For anything serious, they are on the back burner first
hollow marlin
I would never allow Unify OSPF/BGP near my network . I still cannot believe they are even trying to push DC space
little schooner
@hollow marlin if they are using investor money, it's like their investors saying, "why not increase monthly profit to $4000? $6000? $9000?" and make unifi push in places they know are expensive and not as skilled in
Not saying that's the case but one way to see it
waxen scroll
@hollow marlin i would! cant wait for the spines
rocky badge
you should see how people use their "aggregation" switch....
UDMP -> USW-24/48-Pro -> aggregation....
like wut
waxen scroll
wat?
waxen scroll
i dont know anything about their agg switch TBH
rocky badge
Yup
most of the people who are buying it see it as a
"Cheap 10 gig switch"
which is basically is
aNd It HaS tHe LcM
I don't get why people get so excited for a little tiny 1.3" display lmao
to the point that it's a requirement??? 
waxen scroll
that switch has its place in a small business i guess
guess it depends on requirements and traffic flows
rocky badge
yeah
waxen scroll
@clear igloo i want that UBNT spine switch
clear igloo
@waxen scroll No
rocky badge
lmao
waxen scroll
convert my house to spine/leaf ubnt style ❤️
clear igloo
I mean if you want it to not work 😛
waxen scroll
i cant even troll you to give me ACI at cost cause i cant afford even that
rocky badge
plain siren
With the Flex system, you can set a variable bit rate NDI in either HD or 4K between 60 to 360Mbps. Normally, this is set to a maximum of 140Mbps in HD or 300Mbps in 4K. On a few video signals, working on a gigabit network system would allow for 7 or 8 HD signals and less for 4K.
bruh
60 to 360Mbps
waxen scroll
im not paying $2k for a single ubnt leaf either ugh
rocky badge
waxen scroll
you should put spine/leaf in the auditorium and troll IT that you're more advanced
clear igloo
lol
rocky badge
🤣
Idk if we can redo the auditorium's network
but if we do
I was thinking of the USW-Pro-24-POE
PoE++ ports, 10 Gig uplink, 400W of PoE
And networked DMX, audio, and video
I want to replace our Crestron system badly. I was looking at Just Add Power for video...but it requires a control plane...like Crestron
clear igloo
Mega ACIs
rocky badge
valid tapir
What would be a cheap 10gig sfp+ switch that has one Ethernet port on it for connection to the router. Im new to 10gig networking so I’ve been looking around but haven’t found one
little schooner
@valid tapir something like this https://store.asus.com/us/item/202002AM050000007/networking-ASUS-XG-U2008-Unmanaged-2-port-10G-and-8-port-Gigabit-Switch or mikrotik
valid tapir
Ok thank you. This will fit my needs with a couple adapters
valid tapir
Yeah that’s why I need adapters
valid tapir
2 sfp+ ports one for my desktop one for my steam cache.
valid tapir
Ok. Thank you
He has 90mbps to the outside web but from a desktop to a storage server he has a 1 gig switch since he is only on his home network
Like google and YouTube
Stuff not on his home network
If you only had 1 device using the internet on that router then you should get 200mbps.
A routers speed to the outside internet is limited to what you are paying ur isp for
waxen scroll
cause 32 a good number
waxen scroll
just buy a 24 port POE injector
river mural
Hi guys, I am trying to follow this tutorial https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1094810-pi-hole-setup-tutorial/ and I am stuck at the very beginning, my rasperry pi is not connected to my network so I can't connect through ssh. I tried to go through HDMI to see what's hapenning on it but it's stuck at asking the login information, did something change in the Raspbian OS since August 2019 making the ssh not working out of the box ? (Am I asking in the correct channel ? 
)
waxen scroll
technically no. thats more of a systems question
river mural
yeah... that's what I suspected. I will buy a dongle and fix the ssh/networking directly on the pi I guess. Thanks anyway 😄
waxen scroll
@little schooner what are you labbing this weekend
vale briar
Guys has anyone here installed openwrt on their router?
im trying to do so, but a bit confused
ornate jungle
I've done both DD-WRT and TomatoWRT (both of which are based on OpenWRT) -- the steps & difficulty really depend on the router you have though. Some are dead easy, others are finicky.
vale briar
ohh right
i have the v5
And theres only the snapshot upgrade link availble
Does that mean i cant install it?
ornate jungle
That's the upgrade snapshot, which is 1) development and 2) needs the router to already be running OpenWRT, if I'm reading this correctly. V5 is probably too new for them to have an install BIN available.
vale briar
That's the upgrade snapshot, which is 1) development and 2) needs the router to already be running OpenWRT, if I'm reading this correctly. V5 is probably too new for them to have an install BIN available.
@ornate jungle right thats what i thought
but i didn't understand how could you upgrade when theres no installation file in the first place
ornate jungle
Guessing they're probably flashing the BIN directly to the board using JTAG connectors. TBH I'm not entirely sure how MediaTek based routers work compared to Broadcom, though I've heard they're a lot more difficult to write firmware for so yeah.
ornate jungle
no problem, and it might not have bricked if it detected the BIN file as being an "incorrect" firmware. But yeah, I'd wait and see if they release an official install BIN instead. Or buy a different router.
vale briar
well i just got the router yesterday so could probably return it
i thought it was v4 :/
topaz quarry
vRouters make all of these problems go away
just take random box, install hypervisor. install a routing OS that can be virtualized
install goes poof, no problem. rollback or re-install on the fly
vale briar
no problem, and it might not have bricked if it detected the BIN file as being an "incorrect" firmware. But yeah, I'd wait and see if they release an official install BIN instead. Or buy a different router.
@ornate jungle https://github.com/Linaro1985/openwrt/releases
i think i found the firmware
might be able to flash it
little schooner
@waxen scroll Nothing in particular this weekend. The connections to the school are closed on the weekend so will start back up on monday. I mean, I learned that the KACE appliance that I was learning wasn't even the same version the school has.... and they use an add-on for deploying windows to the computers that I can't get for free to lab
So, I'm kinda on the fence whether or not to continue
I need some internship hours so I'll probably just help my prof in the meantime to get the extra hours while the school is closed
little schooner
It wouldn't be enough hours by the time class finished
I do have the actual job too
its only part time for now
I have to do both to get enough hours
@waxen scroll one of the things im helping with is being a TA during his class sessions. If students have questions or need help with the lab environment, I answer where I can and guide them if they get stuck in the lab activity
Should get me to finish by december
green crest
Can wifi extenders help increase the range of a router?
little schooner
@green crest yes. It's throughput is the thing that gets reduced though
green crest
so it slows down?
What if the ethernet cable is used? does it boost the speed? Also, what are better ways of boosting the range and signal?
little schooner
@green crest if ethernet cable is used, then you don't need a repeater
waxen scroll
@little schooner how is data formed
little schooner
@green crest not many other ways besides powerline or running a wire to a new access point where coverage is low
Mesh networking was never a solution for both fast and high coverage wifi
You will lose some speed for greater coverage
green crest
I mean use the cable on the extender, will it boost the speed?
little schooner
@waxen scroll humans produce the data
@green crest yes
Oh, if you mean attaching a device to it and not the router
It will only be as fast as the wireless connection back to router
If you don't mean that, yes it will be faster
green crest
So, just to confirm, a cable from the router to the extender will increase the range of the extender and the speed of it?
little schooner
The cable from router to extender increases reliability of wifi signal and maintains a higher speed vs. The extender connected to router through wireless means.
@green crest yes
little schooner
I can tell you from experience. I was using mesh wifi to run two camera streams and was plagued with nothing but slow connections and dropouts, even though signal was strong.
It's impressive how fast a single cable fixed all the problems but I had to run the wire outside which did take some effort
But now my yard has wifi speeds identical to indoor speeds which is sick
green crest
Are usb WiFi solutions bad? I bought one and was disappointed with it;however, the one I bought was pretty cheap @little schooner
vale briar
Are usb WiFi solutions bad? I bought one and was disappointed with it;however, the one I bought was pretty cheap @little schooner
@green crest alfa cards are pretty good
green crest
They seem pretty expensive for what they are offering
ornate jungle
I always go for a PCIe wifi solution when possible, but if you have to go with USB, don't cheap out. There's no magic model that guarantees you won't have problems with WiFi USB adapters, but generally speaking I've had good results with $60-$90 Netgear and TP-Link adapters.
vale briar
They seem pretty expensive for what they are offering
@green crest i use one for network testing and its pretty reliable for me
At least on linux
little schooner
I dont recommend usb wifi solutions for speed
green crest
Okay, thanks
little schooner
@green crest no problem
green crest
Where can I find one though? I don’t want to order online from amazon. Are there any stores that carry such things? Frys has not been stocking on many goods such as good network cards
ornate jungle
Staples, Best buy, etc. Should have them.
green crest
Ok
green crest
there aren't many computer stores around me
vapid dune
what usually happens at big box stores is that you end up paying more for outdated tech
green crest
Do you know a good ax200 pcie card that won’t fail most of the time
I may have to order from amazon, so I want a good card that doesn't fail. Returning items back to amazon is a pain
vapid dune
oh I thought amazon returns were pretty easy, they just let you print the label and drop off at post office
green crest
it takes around a month for them to process
how fast are returns if you drop it at the post office
ornate jungle
Probably craptastic, as it's from some random company and may or may not work or burst into flames when you power on your PC. Honestly, WiFi chipsets (PCIe cards or USB adapters) are kind of like PSUs in that you don't want to cheap out on them if you want a good experience.
The TP-Link Archer TX3000E that Drako linked above is a much better option for $17 more @green crest, and Amazon sometimes processes returns for small / inexpensive items by not even asking you to send them back. (DO NOT abuse this though, as your Amazon account WILL eventually get banned for false return claims.) If they do ask you to send it back, the return will take as long as your shipping method takes.
green crest
I am confused, you get to keep the item for small/inexpensive items and they will refund the money if I don't return it back?
ornate jungle
Amazon sometimes processes returns for small / inexpensive items but doesn't ask you to send them back.
Sometimes. keyword. depends on a variety of factors.
green crest
okay
ornate jungle
For instance, we ordered 3 boxes of bebe lipbalm from Amazon.de because it's nearly impossible to find the stuff in North America for some reason. The soft pink SKU was rather... um... mushy when it arrived. Amazon said "no problem, don't mail it back to Germany, here's your money, k thanx bai" and that was that.
green crest
because of shipping costs?
unborn sluice
You could make a business out of that
ornate jungle
I assume it's because of shipping costs @green crest. And not really @unborn sluice - they keep track of how many times accounts/IP addresses perform actions that may be considered fraudulent, flagging anything deemed suspicious for human review. Refund too many items in a period of time, and then open an investigation to see if you or the sellers are committing fraud, then terminate accounts accordingly.
unborn sluice
for 2.39 , It's not worth for them to have it return
storage cost and handling definitely more expensive than small items
ornate jungle
Exactly - the processing costs for small, heavy, or otherwise obscure items under a certain cost can exceed the cost of the item itself, thus they won't always ask you to return the item. But don't assume that's the case - they may ask you to return your WiFi adapter if you need to refund @green crest so be prepared.
unborn sluice
If it's electronics, higher chance they want it back
probably for refurbishing or what not
green crest
okay, thanks for the tip
devout jacinth
Does anyone have any recommendations on gathering Cisco certifications?
hollow marlin
Grab the Cisco OCGs (official certification guide) and that should be enough
devout jacinth
It's giving me an error
When I click on download pdf, it just gives me a salesforce error.
hollow marlin
Buy volume 1+2 and read cover to cover. If you do not have much networking experience make sure you lab as much as possible.
Cisco has Packet Tracer which is more than enough for beginners
devout jacinth
@hollow marlin thank you.
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