networking

[tiny tangle]

@thorny vector how hot do u think the dell r310 would get if i removed the fans or most of them

[thorny vector]

Don’t touch the fans in a 1u

[charred meadow]

The server:

[tiny tangle]

ok

xd

the HP 8000's Elite are really over priced atm

any able to find me a cheap one?

[vapid dune]

Remove fans lol

[prisma panther]

Just use potato

[pseudo blade]

I for one remove all the fans from my rackmount servers, which already have tiny heatsinks

[little schooner]

@tiny tangle if fans weren't necessary, I guarantee you that they would of cut them out of the server chassis manufacturing process entirely

[vapid dune]

lol this "server" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0TgKLcHBeE

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge

2020-06-17 01:18:38 ERROR (SyncWorker_7) [pyecobee] Error connecting to ecobee while attempting to get thermostats. Possible connectivity outage.
2020-06-17 01:21:41 ERROR (SyncWorker_2) [pyecobee] Error connecting to ecobee while attempting to get thermostats. Possible connectivity outage.
2020-06-17 01:24:44 ERROR (SyncWorker_6) [pyecobee] Error connecting to ecobee while attempting to get thermostats. Possible connectivity outage.
2020-06-17 01:27:47 ERROR (SyncWorker_17) [pyecobee] Error connecting to ecobee while attempting to get thermostats. Possible connectivity outage.
2020-06-17 01:30:47 ERROR (SyncWorker_19) [pyecobee] Error connecting to ecobee while attempting to get thermostats. Possible connectivity outage.
2020-06-17 01:33:52 ERROR (SyncWorker_8) [pyecobee] Error connecting to ecobee while attempting to get thermostats. Possible connectivity outage.
2020-06-17 01:36:56 ERROR (SyncWorker_15) [pyecobee] Error connecting to ecobee while attempting to get thermostats. Possible connectivity outage.```

my logs are just filled all the time

[rocky badge]

lol oof

[waxen scroll]

how does a company fail so much at keeping an API up

it gets worse though, you can only talk to it once per 5min or something dumb

so my automations can be 5min late

not a huge deal but annoying

i'd switch but then i need to replace 4

$600-800

i should find an all in one system

one master control that can control 4 hvac zones independently

🤔

[oak prism]

Just logged on... What api r u talking about?

[waxen scroll]

ecobee

the very same API is used by their app and web GUI, so when API dead, GG

[oak prism]

NEVER HEARD OF IY

soz caps lock

*it

whats it for?

[vapid dune]

those the smart thermostats @waxen scroll ?

I would only rely on local devices when it comes to stuff like HVAC. temp readings sure they can be cloud

[waxen scroll]

yes

[vapid dune]

but no way in hell am I relying on internet access to set my temps lol

[waxen scroll]

you dont need it to set anything, but if you want an API and remote control thats the way it is

all my HVAC automation does is turn a massive fan on/off with the air conditioning... if i have a fire where smoke is detected or a sprinkler releases water it will shut off the HVAC as one of the steps

but that 5min delay UGH

the workaround is a zwave switch infront of my furnance

emergency power off is more efficient 😉

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll do you know why government sites are more likely to have broken sites?

like this one site I ran into, after clicking login, it says Error 500: java.lang.NullPointerException

last time it spit out verbose error details

[charred meadow]

like this one site I ran into, after clicking login, it says Error 500: java.lang.NullPointerException
I miss getting null pointer exceptions. Embedded c++ is so much harder to debug.

[thorny vector]

@little schooner as someone who has to fight those sites every day, the answer is simple. The sites are built by contract, maintained at first by people who were involved in development, then they leave, and nothing changes because of a combination of the status quo and not wanting to spend money on another contract to fix stuff

[little schooner]

@thorny vector would you say lack of documentation is also an issue with contracts? Some of them don't leave enough for the next people to pick it up where it was

[thorny vector]

Lack of the right kind of documentation

Plenty of "How to do this task" but not enough "This is how the task works"

so people that think they're experts about a system really don't know crap, they just know how to use the features

[vapid dune]

I mean people are also not paid to stick around

[thorny vector]

I have zero blame for the contractors, tehy do the job they're contracted to do

[vapid dune]

they pay someone expensive to do the initial work, and then get rid of them for someone cheaper to maintain

yeah

I'm not necessarily faulting the contractor

more the company because that's the problem they set themselves up for

you can only write so much documentation, and if the company doesn't pay or explicitly ask for something it's not getting done

like training the next person, handing it over, etc

[thorny vector]

It's the short sightedness of those above. I was part of rolling out a tactical training kit for my battalion, that used computers to facilitate extra training without some of the physical resources the battalion had access to. The only person that really understood that the people that where tasked to learn it had to be more than just power users was my battalion commander, but to get to him I had to fight through a whole shop of training personnel that didn't understand the technology, and old enlisted guys that only saw the $$$ next to all the equipment they signed for, and were hesitant to gasp let people actually pull it out and use it.

[fringe yacht]

I need help. i bought a moca wifi extender since i have coax outlet in my room aand i dont get good wifi strength and i pay for gig so i want my speed. but idk if its working

[fresh copper]

The moca extender has to have some other moca device on the other side to connect to. Even if you do have one, it may be that they simply are not connected together as most coax installs only actually connect the bare minimum number of cables together. There should be a coax patch panel somewhere inside your house / apartment or on the outside of an outer wall. Often it is close to where your electricity comes in (but not always since coax can't be in the same conduit as mains voltage electrical wiring in most building codes)

[vapid dune]

Gigabit MOCA sounds relatively expensive

[fresh copper]

It's really expensive but MoCA 2.5 can do it!

[fathom plover]

Hey guys I have a problem with my internet. Normally it works fine but the last days I got a error that's new for me. My internet somehow completely stops working it isn't a ping spike though because I don't receive any ping while this happens, can I do something about this or is this the fault of my provider (I did restart My router etc...

[fringe yacht]

@fresh copper wait i need an other device for this to work?

the manual says plug in coax to outlet and power in from wall and it will work

it doesn't say anythiugn about bbuyiing an other moca

setup

[fresh copper]

MoCA has the data going over the coax cable, so there has to be something for it to communicate with. Some cable modems have MoCA build in so you would only need the one device since the modem acts as the other but if not, then you would need a MoCA injector

[pulsar thorn]

just saw you guys talking about this so i went to research and maybe order something

$800AUD+ is a bit pricey lol

[fringe yacht]

Well i talked to comcast and they said i don't need an adapter for the exctneder

and it should work just with it in my wall

unless he doesn't know what hes talking about

[distant wedge]

what the everloving f is this

[clear igloo]

Is that one of them garden hose to RJ45 adapters

[raw timber]

what network patch cord shuld i buy
[10:21 AM]
since we need more of them

[little schooner]

@raw timber one that's labeled UL or etl for greater quality

Or buy monoprice in bulk

[raw timber]

what do ul or etl mean

we dont have tools to maek thm

[little schooner]

@raw timber they are companies that have certification programs for electronics and equipment stuff like cables. They were tested well to make sure they are designed for what their intended purpose is.

And by buying bulk, I mean buying a lot of pre-made cables. The more you buy, the lower the per unit cost is

On monoprice specifically

[thick minnow]

How much does gigabit internet cost

[vapid dune]

depends where you live

[clear igloo]

At least $1 but not more than $500 million 😄

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo when my provider started bumping speeds on all tiers, my first move was to downgrade to 100m from 300m

[little schooner]

@thick minnow 299.95 for me

[vapid dune]

wow that's expensive

it would be like 150 full price for me. but I'm not buying it atm. only 750/750

[thick minnow]

I don't have time management control on my router, is there existence of a device that lets you handle a LAN port with time management?

How much does gigabit internet cost
@thick minnow
they dont offer gigabit internet on this part of the city but it would cost 110 bucks. I currently have 74 bucks (however these packages do include interactive television)

gigabit would be 20 bucks cheaper without

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo https://blob.rocks/3GewKAu7Cy.png

[clear igloo]

Hype all the AP!

[hollow marlin]

@thick minnow If you are referring about NTP DHCP handles it. What is your goal though? Most devices have their own NTP servers

[thick minnow]

I wanna block a single LAN port on the router during 1am and 8am

[hollow marlin]

Oh you are talking about that

[thick minnow]

Yeah

Usage time management

[vapid dune]

I mean some of the routers have parental controls

[thick minnow]

Yeah, mine doesn't

[vapid dune]

but otherwise you could probably script it on some routers

[thick minnow]

Not even remote management

Nah my router doesn't script

[vapid dune]

o.O remote?

[thick minnow]

It's all locked

[vapid dune]

time to buy a new one

[thick minnow]

Cant

I use wifispots and boosters that come with it

It's from the provider itself

[vapid dune]

I mean you could put another router or switch between the ISP router and your gear

[thick minnow]

Like bridge?

Do there exist controllable switches? I mean, internet would be worse right? You can't keep splitting up

I only have an unmanaged switch

[vapid dune]

I mean you can use a unifi switch. it has ability to turn off ports in the panel

not sure if their newest/cheapest one has that ability: https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-routing-switching/products/usw-flex-mini

[thick minnow]

Broadcast management, IGMP snooping, Jumbo frames, Link aggregation, Port mirroring, Quality of Service (QoS), Rate limiting, VLAN

good enough?

[vapid dune]

?

[thick minnow]

TP-Link TL-SG108E-Gigabit

[vapid dune]

that has nothing to do with anything about what you want

oh that switch. I own that one actually

not sure what it has, but I guess with vlan you could put stuff into one without internet or something. but then again it's probably not schedulable

[thick minnow]

its cheaper than the ubi here

yeah, i need it schedulable

[vapid dune]

same with the unifi switch really. might not be schedulable in the UI. you might have to script it

[thick minnow]

rate limiting?

i dont know scripting except a bit of bat

[vapid dune]

I mean that's essentially what scripting is. hopefully you can just ssh into the switch and then turn off a port with 1 command (and undo it with another)

and then just put that on a schedule either via the device itself or another device you have that can ssh into the switch

ah you can't ssh into the flex mini

[thick minnow]

is it really that hard to find?

[vapid dune]

I mean parental controls are generally built into routers. maybe not the ones the people here typically use

but consumer routers nonetheless

you need it in particular for a wired network?

[thick minnow]

well yeah, as that device uses lan

[vapid dune]

is it for a kid's computer or something?

[thick minnow]

interactive tv mediabox

[vapid dune]

oh

why bother?

[thick minnow]

because someone in this house spends 8 hours behind the telly

probably even more on saturdays

[vapid dune]

I mean is your tv only supplied via internet?

there's also over the air tv

[thick minnow]

has been sitting in his chair watching television from 12pm till now still, only eaten dinner and going to the toilet

[vapid dune]

might as well just get a timer plug and turn off the devices

[thick minnow]

no this one is supplied via cable and the interactive part via internet

cant reach it, its behind the closet

[vapid dune]

can't reach what? the plug?

o.O

[thick minnow]

cant pull away the cabinet myself, too heavy

[vapid dune]

how did you plug it in to begin with

[thick minnow]

and also thats too suspicious and bad for the device

by pulling the cabinet forward with 3 people

[vapid dune]

less suspicious than the internet cutting out at exactly the same time every night?

[thick minnow]

well yeah

because it would only stop the interactive part, and thats just enough

[vapid dune]

I mean wouldn't it be easier to get cooperation from your kid?

[thick minnow]

im the network owner here, doesnt mean its my kid 😉

[vapid dune]

lol

but you care enough to turn off the internet

[thick minnow]

dads dont cooperate with their kids

but neither do they with their wives who is currently cheating (which ofcourse i told him)

he spends too much time watching televsion and not enough time with his kids

[vapid dune]

see I assumed it was the kid glued to the tv

[thick minnow]

lol

assumption; never assume

[vapid dune]

nah it's a reasonable assumption

the alterative is passive aggressive

[thick minnow]

which is?

jackhammer? thru the internet line?

or thru the telly

[vapid dune]

I mean controlling an adult's behavior through shutting down their internet

yeah

either way there's only so many options for you. I don't think it'll be built into many switches ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thick minnow]

well shutting down the internet in its entirety will make me loose it too

[vapid dune]

I mean even with ports, if the device can be located then the cable can be switched to another port

[thick minnow]

physical port ?

or?

[vapid dune]

yeah

personally if I were an adult, and my internet died every now and again. I'd call someone to fix it

if I couldn't fix it myself

[thick minnow]

well i could just unplug it but it would mean i will hear complaints and its convient to see a cable is unplugged

[vapid dune]

what I meant is that if the internet is disabled on a port, then troubleshooting would be plugging it into another one

I don't mean that the cable is disconnected

I would think rational behavior would be to figure out what's broken

kids, on the other hand, won't observe that level of rational behavior yet

so disabling power or internet access works on them

[thick minnow]

lol, thats not true

[vapid dune]

I don't think the solution to your problem lies with the hardware

more like the person LOL

[hollow marlin]

Parental controls tend to block MACs. Never seen one block a port

[vapid dune]

I mean it's the one device (the tv)

[thick minnow]

when i was 13, my dad used to cut off the wifi (there was an actual wifi switch on the router) to make me do homework, and then i would grab a ladder and go above the door where there is a carton venting thing, i would take that out and put my arm to switch the button

[little schooner]

Pfsense would be a simple way to block the internet at certain times of the day or on demand

Firewall rules that you'd enable and disable

[vapid dune]

they can't change out the ISP router

I mean they can just not willing I assume

I guess you could use it as a glorified switch

[fresh copper]

I don't understand what's with this upload speed :(
https://www.speedtest.net/result/9673251552.png

Maybe Proxmox just doesn't like uploading or something

[vapid dune]

that's a lot of download

[rocky badge]

Channel 11 & 52 AP is downstairs (UAP-AC-M) that's going on the porch
Channel 6 & 104 AP is the one in my room (UAP-AC-Pro)
Channel 1 & 157 AP is the one in the living room (UAP-AC-Lite)
:D

[little schooner]

@rocky badge one access point name in my neighborhood says FBI Surveillance Van

[rocky badge]

lol

[little schooner]

@rocky badge and there's 16 access points on one channel

And 5ghz has Most of them at 4

[rocky badge]

yikes

[little schooner]

Dfs is really the only option for full speed

[rocky badge]

Yeah

[waxen scroll]

xeon is dfs obsessed lately

[fresh copper]

@little schooner I have a friend who calls their wifi FBI Surveillance Van

I get so much speed because the blue ethernet cable in this photo is the one my data comes from (for that test, not my home internet :(

[little schooner]

Omg.... This is so stupid and good. "Porque" is Spanish for "Why".

Thats really silly

@fresh copper yeah who they tryin to scare...

[fresh copper]

No idea! I think it was just a silly thing

My wifi is called “Wired LAN”

[clear igloo]

Blob and me both have Skynet SSIDs 😄

[distant wedge]

[clear igloo]

@distant wedge

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo

[glossy bay]

Do non-managed switches cause any large delays or higher ping in games?

[clear igloo]

no switch will cause delay or high ping unless it's a pile of junk doing all switching in CPU only or you're oversubscribing and overloading the uplink(s)

Even cheap low end ASICs in cheap switches won't add more than 1-2ms absolute worst case

[glossy bay]

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00A128S24/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 i have this one

[clear igloo]

Nah, that wouldn't add any latency, maybe 1ms

[glossy bay]

ok, thanks

[distant wedge]

@distant wedge :BanThonking:
@clear igloo yoink

Hey Lurick actually maybe you can help me out with something..

I’m looking for hardware that would allow me to use existing coax throughout my house and pass Ethernet from a device, convert it to coax, then convert it back from coax to Ethernet... do you or anyone have any ideas?

Am I thinking of MoCa?

[little schooner]

Comcast put a few MoCA injectors in my coax line but I tried to reuse it and it didn't work out for me

It was required for me to have a power booster adapter connected too and inject that midway of the coax run

[distant wedge]

Oh yikes

I’m planning on getting the active ones

[little schooner]

@distant wedge like which one

[distant wedge]

These ones

They have power adapters on both ends

Which I think will work well in my case

[little schooner]

Yeah

[distant wedge]

I don’t really need 1Gbps since it’s just going to be passing 10/100Mbps for a camera stream

But I can’t find anything cheaper

[little schooner]

@distant wedge I was using AP to AP meshing for a surveillance camera at one point. It worked for 10/100Mbps but I didn't like it's latency

The feed took a good 6 seconds to load

[distant wedge]

I’m actually using a wireless camera connected to something via WPS and the latency isn’t bad at all. I think it just matters how congested your network is or how far you are from your device

[little schooner]

@distant wedge I had plaster then insulation and then double siding that the signal had to pass through

[distant wedge]

Of course the purpose of me buying the moca adapters is merely for this one wired camera. I have the PoE injector so I just need to run the data port from the injector into the moca adapter

[little schooner]

Yeah my signal had to fight hard

[distant wedge]

Yeah oof sorry to hear that

[glossy bay]

Problem: I will soon have a server downstairs and my parents need their screens and usb/audio devices connected to that server over ethernet
Any suggestions?

[distant wedge]

Is it a windows server

[glossy bay]

It's gonna be 2 windows 10 home Machines

[little schooner]

Don't they have like usb dongle servers that you use a client to connect to and have access to those devices?

[glossy bay]

Followup: Theese exist https://www.amazon.de/Mirabox-Extender-verlustfreie-no-delay-Theater-KVM-HDMI-80m/dp/B06X9513W1/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=usb+hdmi+über+ethernet&qid=1593382593&sr=8-4 but I'm not sure if they work over a network or if they need a direct ethernet connection

[fresh copper]

No idea is Google Translate is correct but in the description it says this: Noted: This HDMI extender supports 1080p, but cannot support 1080i, cannot work with the switch or router, it is point-to-point

[crimson otter]

^ apparently it needs a direct connect

[craggy parcel]

@glossy bay They don't use ethernet, for communication. They just happen to use the same type of cable and connectors, but the signal transmitted over the cable, is not an ethernet signal.

[glossy bay]

Thanks, I'll look for something else

I just had to look for Network KVM, that worked and i Found one

On that amazon listing it talks about a switch, we use DLAN, which sends ethernet signals over power (sounds sketchy but it works most of the time) which is enough for my parents (will use a thunderbolt 3 link directly to the server)

[craggy parcel]

I would assume, it's using ethernet as one of the layers in the communications, and as such, won't work with the above solution. But it should work with everything that's ethernet.

[tiny tangle]

what's the minimum requirements for a 20 player minecraft server it's home hosted with only 3-4 plugins

[thorny vector]

@tiny tangle What OS are you installing it on, and what hardware do you have available?

[little schooner]

Not really unless if it's an email account. Even then, it's the password thats keeping your account safe, not username

@lean pollen

[frigid falcon]

I everyone, I'm using Cloud Gaming and I have 5Ghz WiFi with fiber. I have some internet issue, I have 20ms latency and a slow upload speed. Here it's the screenshot : https://pasteboard.co/Jfl9MCZ.png

Do you know if there is any way to increase this upload speed and make it more stable, so less jiters ?

[crimson otter]

Check signals around you? Radar station nearby?

[vapid dune]

get wired internet

[wooden geyser]

help

[frigid falcon]

Powerline adapter could improve this ?

[wooden geyser]

it slow

[waxen scroll]

its not slow. the screenshot clearly says its fast.

[vapid dune]

lol

FAST

I mean really. the question you should answer is. how much are you buying and what are you measuring the speeds on

@frigid falcon powerline maybe? it's situationally dependant

[little schooner]

I've had mixed results with powerline.

[vapid dune]

I haven't used it myself, but so many mixed results with it

ethernet is your best bet

[little schooner]

How are you supposed to know which outlets are on which bus without guessing or checking to look what's off?

To use it on the least congested circuit

[vapid dune]

maybe straight coax line would be decent too

[little schooner]

Yeah I have a few of those hanging everywhere

Coax in every bedroom

[vapid dune]

yeah I think I share the same circuit with an AC on my top floor

not running the AC all the time but it's probably not a great circuit

though my computers are mostly on UPS

[little schooner]

@vapid dune heh, every time I power on my AC, it trips my UPS unit

[vapid dune]

oh really

[little schooner]

Yeah is that bad?

[vapid dune]

it just kicks it into battery?

[little schooner]

Yes

[vapid dune]

for how long lol

[little schooner]

For about 1 second

[vapid dune]

ah I see

[thick minnow]

man im getting a internet speed upgrade 200mgs

[little schooner]

And then switch back

[vapid dune]

maybe the draw of the AC is too much for that circuit?

[waxen scroll]

@little schooner it takes a lot of energy to initially start an AC soooooo if its on the same circuit i can see it

[little schooner]

Yeah....

[vapid dune]

you'd think the breaker would trip first

tbh

[thick minnow]

is that the auto corrector is really bad

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll how should I fix this? Buy a bigger amp outlet and install it?

Or not plug into that circuit

[waxen scroll]

not plug in

[vapid dune]

if you put the AC on a different circuit that could help lol

[little schooner]

@vapid dune ikr

OK well that should be simply enough

[vapid dune]

normally bedroom circuit is something like 15A

iirc?

[little schooner]

.... If I knew what circuits were connected together

[waxen scroll]

an AC can do 12-15a easy

[vapid dune]

yeah

[thick minnow]

yeah heres is 10-15

[little schooner]

Anyway to test if circuits are together with multimeter?

[vapid dune]

I mean you could turn off the breaker and then check with a lamp or plug tester which ones are on

that's easier

[little schooner]

@vapid dune but that's the guessing way

[thick minnow]

but my ac is on a diferent circuit than my desk and pc

[little schooner]

But I see...

[vapid dune]

it's not really guessing, I mean if the power is off it's off

LOL

[little schooner]

@vapid dune okay hold on...

I see your point now

I was thinking about the outlets that I didn't have access to to check

Like behind bed frames or fur

[vapid dune]

ah

[waxen scroll]

time for a video with Brian the electrician

[thick minnow]

yeah

[vapid dune]

I mean you can test through walls even

just need a power sensing thing

[little schooner]

@vapid dune I have a small pen that tests for power

But there's one for the walls?

[vapid dune]

some stud finders have ones that can pick it up through walls

but the pen sometimes works too if it's near the surface

[little schooner]

@vapid dune oh lol I also have one of those

But no space to slide it behind furniture

I'd have to move it

I'm weak

Loll

[vapid dune]

yeah I was gonna say it's not generally useful if you can't get to the outlet

[thick minnow]

or turn off the breaker and if the computer doesnt turn on or the outlet doesnt have electricity then u can check around the room to see if u have another outlet that has power with the breaker turned off

[vapid dune]

but really, if it's a hidden outlet and you're not using it

it's fine

just ignore it lol

[little schooner]

I think I have a problem though....

[vapid dune]

not like it's gonna shoot electricity out when you use other outlets

[little schooner]

Because 3 rooms are basically sharing the AC circuit

[vapid dune]

ah yeah

for that you'd need an electrician to remedy imo

no ghetto extension cables pls

[waxen scroll]

@little schooner why no central AC

[little schooner]

Whoever did this house (1920), didn't do it good

[vapid dune]

I mean you can get thick enough cables for extensions

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll it's 1920 house

[vapid dune]

ah

[waxen scroll]

😤

[vapid dune]

for that I'd get an electrician out

[waxen scroll]

time for you to move

[little schooner]

100 years!!!

It's cool

[thick minnow]

how the heck that could happen and you didnt burnt out something

[vapid dune]

the cables in your walls might not be even able to handle the draw

you're gonna have an electrical fire on your hands

cables melt when they draw too much

[little schooner]

@thick minnow ohhh we definitely did burned out our old panel

[vapid dune]

you're gonna have a fire inside the walls

[little schooner]

We have to upgrade to 240amp

System

[vapid dune]

what

[thick minnow]

well then dont overload any circuits by any means

[vapid dune]

I have like 100 amps to my place, but it's small

[little schooner]

We had so many more power hungry devices in the house that the 100 amps wasn't working for us

The whole house would lose power

[vapid dune]

lol

[little schooner]

It was stupid

[vapid dune]

I'd be more worried about individual circuits using too much

[little schooner]

@vapid dune yeah I'm worried too

[thick minnow]

have 3 outlets each room on a breaker for the room and the ac has his own breaker for every one the acs

[vapid dune]

I mean there are non contact tools to measure amp draw on circuits

and you could do that at the breaker panel

https://www.amazon.ca/Fluke-323-True-RMS-Clamp-Meter/dp/B00AQKIEXY/

probably some cheaper options. but at the very least if you have an idea of how thick your wires are for that circuit and how many amps you're using

...and what the breaker is sized at

your ducks should all be in a row for that kind of stuff LOL

also I wish I had a place that would let me have more central AC. still trying to get a mini split approved to be installed (it's a shared building)

[waxen scroll]

dont you think a simple gut and new panel will fix it tho? replace panel. replace all wiring. replace outside wiring

the wires are prob shit

[vapid dune]

I mean yes

I just mean if he wants to not pay for that

[waxen scroll]

poor @vocal fog i hope its not romex

[vapid dune]

just gotta reduce the load on individual circuits

and hope it doesn't catch fire

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskEngineers/comments/3dubut/what_to_do_with_ac_causing_too_much_voltage_drop/

there's some interesting other advice in there

[little schooner]

Stepped out for a moment. Yeah I'll take a look at their advice.

@waxen scroll also the 240amp upgrade wasn't a whole house wire redo

My mom should of done that

But $

They only did some basement wires, an outdoor 240, and bigger panel

@vapid dune ohh so if it hasn't caught fire yet, I'm still in the clear huh?

Whatever we got is really good at not catching fire

@vapid dune also..... We had our electric stove burst large electric sparks from its backside, to the point where if we left it on for a long time, the microwave power plug that was nearby probably would of caught fire

And it happened minutes after that single stove cooking spot was turned on

So if I left during that time, my moms house would of suffered

So glad it didn't happen

@waxen scroll why can't electricity be safe like the electricity found in copper cabling for computer networks??

Don't answer that question for real lol

[vapid dune]

large sparks LOL

[little schooner]

@vapid dune yess

It was crazy!!

I turned it off fast

The stove itself is perfectly fine, it was just that one spot

Not sure who to blame. Was it a defect? Or user error

@waxen scroll yeah the wires are basically crusty copper ends

[vapid dune]

this sounds dangerous xD

[thorny vector]

Past couple of days, I've been getting brute force ssh login attempts to my ctf network from an ip that goes back to a chinese chat board

[waxen scroll]

@little schooner i started doing my own electrical a while ago

i have a rule... test before touching

it saved me once

i derped and forgot to turn off a breaker after i removed its lock

test showed DANGER

[vapid dune]

lol

yeah you need to always assume things are live unless you just tested that it isn't

and even then just assume the worst

that your tester failed etc

at the very least in NA you can let go of the power lines if they're live... mostly

[waxen scroll]

i had people over to install a new conduit/outlet for a water heater... they did it with the circuit live

lol

[vapid dune]

welp

240?

[waxen scroll]

nah

it was a normal circuit for a gas tankless

oh but you'll lol at this, it had a gas leak

so if they sparked at all... OOF

the fitting had a pin hole in it

slow leak, hard to detect unless you put your face to it

[vapid dune]

wow

I guess they don't pressure test things like that

I was researching mini split installs and they do a leak test on it for hours under vacuum

and refrigerant isn't even that deadly compared to gas

huh I would have guessed gas would be 240

[waxen scroll]

well its not the unit itself its the fitting the plumber used between the units gas pipe and my gas pipe

i imagine they dont bother testing them at all other than basic QA

im sure the unit itself gets tested

also Re: power... it only uses like 2 amps max

[vapid dune]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/comments/hi2m03/new_unifi_6_switch_24_just_popped_up_on_the_ea/

lol that price

hopefully more multigig stuff shows up though

[vapid dune]

huh

I think my toilet uses more than that

but it's all electric lol

"Power Rating 120V AC, 60Hz 835W "

[waxen scroll]

its got a turbo in it!

[vapid dune]

lol I misread this as output:
"Water Supply
Minimum: 7.25 psi
Maximum: 108.75 psi "

I was like 110 psi out???

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo its got a turbo and i can network it with a special device

im not gonna do it tho. no point TBH unless i really want home automation data

[clear igloo]

TuRbO PoWaH!!

[vapid dune]

turbo butt wash?

[waxen scroll]

i almost want a second one but eeehhhh

[strong mulch]

Hey guys I need help explaining something that was explained to me, I know very little about networking lol

So to make my interent better on the other side of the house from everyone else and to help the wifi in that part of my house, my friend and I ran a cable underneath the house from the main router, well I took my PC with me for a wee bit visiting a friend, and now the wifi is not as strong in my house.

[granite holly]

EdgeRouter What else do I need to do to forward this port to my pc?

[strong mulch]

and I don't know how to explain to the family

[delicate drift]

Is cloud storage considered as a Network storage?

[boreal stirrup]

@delicate drift No

Network Storage is typically considered as being on the local network, aka LAN

Cloud would be just that, Cloud, internet based.

[delicate drift]

Yup that is what I thought but in my school they are explaining that one of example of NAS is Cloud storage like drop box etc lol

Thank you

[boreal stirrup]

That's a loose definition for networked storage, and that's coming from a systems administrator

[delicate drift]

Yep thank you

[vapid dune]

https://threatpost.com/unpatched-wi-fi-extender-remote-control/156990/

lol

"network storage"

if you want to loosely use it, what next... a computer with any kind of folder that's shared is "network storage" ?

[waxen scroll]

@vapid dune thats why i warned him ... yesterday? when he asked.... school is gonna do some bullshit like that so answer from the class material instead of real world

[vapid dune]

@granite holly why are you forwarding it to 1.1?

what kind of school HS?

[waxen scroll]

college

[vapid dune]

lol wtf

HS I could see that happening

since they're essentially unqualified to teach the topic imo

at least a lot of them aren't qualified

[waxen scroll]

i mean cisco does dumb crap like that too... ever take a cert test and argue THATS WRONG!

[vapid dune]

I don't really think definitions of these things are worth being pedantic about really. more like just give a damn description of what and where

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll doing digital circuits makes me feel unintelligent. It is the worst feeling I've ever felt

I want this class to be over with already before I lose more brain cells

[vapid dune]

what are digital circuits?

like nand gates and the like?

[little schooner]

yes and ripple counters

@vapid dune its killing my motivation for the things I love to do

its getting scary

[vapid dune]

oh what kind of course is it

[nocturne harness]

Uni?

[little schooner]

@nocturne harness yes

[vapid dune]

I never got into that kind of stuff since I didn't do electrical engineering lol

did do some simple circuits and logic stuff though

[little schooner]

I can't believe my university made this a requirement

[vapid dune]

what's it required for?

[little schooner]

@vapid dune yes, the previous class, electrical circuits, was WAAAY easier than this one

@vapid dune in order to get my networking degree, its required for me to pass this class with c- or better

[vapid dune]

huh that's odd

what does that have to do with networking

[little schooner]

@vapid dune thats what im saying

[vapid dune]

I can see some basics to do with computer science

[fresh copper]

I am starting a class on that stuff in a couple weeks. I'm pretty good at logic gates already from Minecraft redstone of all things so it hopefully won't be too bad

[little schooner]

yeah i dunno why they do this to me or other students

[vapid dune]

logic stuff is my bread and butter

I mean that's what computer science is lol

[little schooner]

yeah

im not a cs major so it does explain why im struggling so much

doesn't help that the professor doubts my ability too

[fresh copper]

I like the mathematical / theoretical side of logic but actual electrical engineering is not really for me

[little schooner]

it makes me sad. Knowing that a single class that isn't practical for me to use in networking everyday is the one that holds the degree away from me

[vapid dune]

electrical would probably be my backup if I didn't do comp sci

but just push through it xeon. I mean you just need to pass from what you said

[little schooner]

yeah

right now I got a 91

but...

now things just got 10x complicated

[vapid dune]

a lot of the time I find just looking around at the concepts online helps

since it gets reexplained in multiple ways

and then one of them will be easier for you to digest

[fresh copper]

I don't know why schools so often make you do courses that have nothing to do with your major. Last year, I had to take bio, chem, phys, etc. even though I am a math / comp sci person.

[hollow marlin]

Thats why we need to move from colleges to programs

[little schooner]

@vapid dune true, i should start looking for other resources on these sections

[vapid dune]

lol yeah I did the bare minimum to get my breadth requirements done for my degree

[little schooner]

since the prof isn't really explaining much just posting powerpoints

[vapid dune]

it's part of being more rounded in your education

but really it should be a pass fail vs weighing on your gpa

not that gpa is really a great measure of anything

I mostly did math, stats, psych (logic), and a bit of econ for my breadth

you could say I picked all related stuff LOL

[fresh copper]

I want to go into academia so I have to go to University but I don't think it should be as required for everything as it is now

[nocturne harness]

@nocturne harness yes
@little schooner ah, well, uni's are great at
killing my motivation for the things I love to do

[hollow marlin]

The well rounded part is what middle/high school is for. College should be for focusing on what career you want rather than being forced to take classes that are not needed just to make up credits

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin trigger me timbers

[vapid dune]

yeah I don't get why you'd need many rounds of the other sciences past the first year let's say

first year taking some this and that and what not is fair to me

[waxen scroll]

thats why i went to private college and saved $$$$$. no useless classes. no housing. etc

[vapid dune]

lol. I'm from Canada

[waxen scroll]

2020 and private college might be a different story though. costs have all soared

[vapid dune]

education is just cheaper as a resident

it should be even cheaper imo

but I'm an advocate of everyone raising their level of education

and society subsidizing it

[fresh copper]

I do like having the option to do other subjects that you are interested. So like I want to do a minor in Environmental Sciences so I like having the option to take those courses which are in quite a different field than my main courses

[vapid dune]

or doing the whole repayment as part of your future income

[nocturne harness]

The well rounded part is what middle/high school is for. College should be for focusing on what career you want rather than being forced to take classes that are not needed just to make up credits
@hollow marlin eh to a certain degree I agree? Should a CS major have to take multiple courses in underwater basket weaving? probably not? atleast 1 english course, probably

[vapid dune]

lol

professional ethics course? yes definitely

business writing? probably

[nocturne harness]

lol, ethics in CS?

sounds optional to me 😆

[little schooner]

I had to take technical writing for this degree in networking

[vapid dune]

technical writing is important too

[little schooner]

ngl, i think it really helped with my presentation skills

[vapid dune]

so many people who can't write good documentation

[little schooner]

it forced me to write differently for that class

[vapid dune]

or communicate

[charred meadow]

My CS degree has a writing/ethics course.

[fresh copper]

I agree with Blue though. I'm also in Canada and people are surprised at how cheep my tuition is

[vapid dune]

lol

[nocturne harness]

I'm in Canada too

[vapid dune]

I had friends from the states who went here to pay the international rates

[nocturne harness]

my tuition is 2x the non-eng kids though so

[hollow marlin]

@nocturne harness who said Im against under water basket weaving, shit sounds awesome

[nocturne harness]

very annoying

[little schooner]

@fresh copper how cheap we talking about

[vapid dune]

it was still cheaper than their own schools back home

[nocturne harness]

The worst part is I pay 2x tuition on non-CS courses at other faculties? like WTF?

[charred meadow]

My province gives students 2200$ per year towards their tuition

[vapid dune]

@little schooner about 5.5k per term in tuition

[nocturne harness]

👁️ sounds... french... 👁️

[vapid dune]

for CS

without books and what not

[nocturne harness]

@fresh copper how cheap we talking about
@little schooner $7.5k/term :/

[fresh copper]

My first year (two terms), was about $6000cad in tuition and I'm at one of the more expensive universities. I don't know if that's cheep for other people but a lot of people that I know think so

[little schooner]

@vapid dune I see. Mine is $5,731.00 per term

[vapid dune]

https://students.ubc.ca/enrolment/finances/tuition-fees/undergraduate-tuition-fees the one I went to

I mean it depends on the faculty

[charred meadow]

I'm also 6000$ ish cad

[little schooner]

$6000 cad is a lot more in usd right?

[charred meadow]

And I definetly pay for books

[vapid dune]

no a lot less lol

[little schooner]

oh

[fresh copper]

cad is worth less in usd

[nocturne harness]

Haha thankfully my faculty is very lax with books

[vapid dune]

6k cad is 4400 usd

[fresh copper]

@vapid dune wait, are you are UBC?

[little schooner]

oh dang

what the heck that is cheaper

yeah these classes here are expensive for what they are

[nocturne harness]

I think I own a singular textbook from the first 3 years of undergrad--the C++ book from the guy who made it, that's it

[little schooner]

in fact i transferred so many classes over from a community college bc of it

why should I pay more for the same course

[vapid dune]

the thing is that the school's name is a bit more known by comparison

[nocturne harness]

It's because the governments here pay for our education too

[little schooner]

our university has people who donate every year and they have to meet this year deadline thing

[fresh copper]

I see I see because I'm at UBC

[charred meadow]

I think I have to pay only about 1500$ next year

[little schooner]

like say June 30th

[vapid dune]

@fresh copper oh you went there too? xD

[little schooner]

donate and you get your name recognized during the ceremony!

[vapid dune]

lol what

[little schooner]

do it before tax deadline!

we need to report it!

kinda stuff

idk, i find it odd a school keeps begging for more money from us

[vapid dune]

lol they ask for money after you graduate too

[little schooner]

yeahhh

[vapid dune]

at least here they do

[little schooner]

they do that here too

[nocturne harness]

lol they call me and when I say "??? I'm a current student ???" the person on the other end gets really confused

I've been called atleast 3 times

[vapid dune]

@little schooner at the prices I mentioned the schools in the states that are around the same rank are like Cornell, Duke, Northwestern (those are all higher than the one I went to mind you)

though really it's hard to judge since it's really about how good a program is

[little schooner]

true

well this program wasn't as great

[vapid dune]

overall says one thing, but an individual program at any particular place might suck even if overall is great lol

[fresh copper]

Tuition for international students are really high though. I have a few international friends and I have heard how crazy it is

[vapid dune]

hmm it's like 4x

[little schooner]

My community college program actually had more classes on forensics, red hat linux, information assurance, networking I-IV

and this university? nothing close to that

[vapid dune]

yeah UBC CS is 41k for international tuition

(30k usd)

[nocturne harness]

yeah I was gonna say, it's closer to 5x lol

[little schooner]

heck they are even implementing cloud classes soon

on azure and aws

[vapid dune]

I mean that's what my friends from uni paid

[fresh copper]

CS is such a popular program at UBC and very hard to get into. That price sounds about right

[nocturne harness]

and this university? nothing close to that
@little schooner that's because university is an academic environment

[vapid dune]

lol I think it's "harder" these days

but it wasn't that hard back when I went into it imo

[fresh copper]

They just need more funding apparently. The program has grown a lot but not gotten enough funding to meet the demand

[vapid dune]

ah yeah

[little schooner]

@nocturne harness hmm I'll say that this university has a lot more community engagement compared to community college

[vapid dune]

are you currently at UBC @fresh copper ?

or graduated already?

[nocturne harness]

They just need more funding apparently. The program has grown a lot but not gotten enough funding to meet the demand
@fresh copper tbh I feel like this is BS, why does a CS program cost so much money to run? It's not like we have expensive laboratories or need specialized equipment really

[vapid dune]

the profs are expensive

and they do have outdated labs

the building space is also the other problem

not enough lecture halls

[nocturne harness]

Sure, profs are expensive, but some of the highest paid profs at universities (from me parusing sunshine lists) aren't even in in CS

and computer lab $ <<<< science lab $

[little schooner]

@vapid dune labs that they get too comfortable teaching again and again yeah

[vapid dune]

and then the software to make sure assignments and what not are done

lol

computer labs are kinda unnecessary imo

[fresh copper]

I'm currently at UBC, just starting my second year in the fall

[little schooner]

@vapid dune then when a student tries to school the prof, they're like defensive or something

[vapid dune]

I only ever used my own laptop. but I guess that might be hard on some people maybe

I mean it isn't a technical school

at least the one I went to

ah nice @fresh copper . be sure to do coop ;p

[nocturne harness]

Co-op is op 😉

[little schooner]

yes they are really great

[vapid dune]

it's okay I don't interview coops so you'll probably not find me in the wild

[nocturne harness]

and they do have outdated labs
@vapid dune idk, also I'm salty because my school keeps building new eng buildings and yet CS seems starved

[vapid dune]

actually I don't like interviewing people at all so I hope to never do that again

[little schooner]

I could do a co op and only take one class and be considered full time

[distant wedge]

@nocturne harness That's what happens when you come into money lmao

[vapid dune]

hmm it was full time "student" even though I was working 40 hours during coop

[nocturne harness]

👀 the CS kids make more then the eng kids 😤

[vapid dune]

though I was paying tuition while on coop LOL

[distant wedge]

what are balances

[little schooner]

thats even better

yeah more reason why this school isn't that great

its the school you go to class and then leave campus

at least for me anyway

lots of people dont raise their hand to participate

[nocturne harness]

Does UBC have a placement program like UofT/UW?

its the school you go to class and then leave campus
@little schooner eh, that's fairly common in technical programs

[vapid dune]

not familiar about the placement program exactly but coop program is kinda like here's a bunch of job postings then you apply/interview and go work

might be the same thing we're talking about @nocturne harness. since the jobs are all over really

[nocturne harness]

Gotcha, I meant more like, is it a proper thing the uni runs or is it the whole "find a job over summer yourself" ordeal

[vapid dune]

some people have worked for Amazon in Seattle and what not

oh yeah it's uni run

[little schooner]

@nocturne harness i wish it was more technical. This is unfortunately a 4 year school

if they had more classes I liked doing experience would be dfiferent

[vapid dune]

eh

I've seen 4 year programs that are technical and give a bachelors

[nocturne harness]

If you just started, normally the first 2 years are BS anyway

[little schooner]

most of my classes got transferred over so I had a list of many generals to do

[fresh copper]

I don't know exactly know how the coop program works. I'm doing a part time research job (but not properly a coop) right now that I got through an undergraduate research opportunities fair. I do believe it's a bit more structured than just find a job yourself though

[little schooner]

some examples were world history, economics, leading teams, trig, statistics

english, world literature

Six Sigma

[vapid dune]

I mean there's a lot of fluff but at the same time you'd probably die with a full stack of technical courses

like I stacked 3-4 comp sci courses and the load normally would kill people

[little schooner]

did you see networking in any of those?

lol

[vapid dune]

lol

"usually" people do 1-2 core courses

and then 2-3 others

[little schooner]

@vapid dune oh no i believe you. stacking core courses must be crazy

especially in cs

[vapid dune]

5 is "full"

[nocturne harness]

like I stacked 3-4 comp sci courses and the load normally would kill people
took 4 CS courses my previous semester, 3 400-level, 1 300-level

oh my was it rough

[vapid dune]

lol

I had 1 course that was a full term project course

😄

it wasn't that bad from my perspective

kinda fun

[nocturne harness]

yeah those ones sound fun

[vapid dune]

except for some long nights on the project

it was a team of 5 working on a project all term

[little schooner]

@vapid dune you know what scares me the most? because I haven't done networking course for a long while now, I may have forgotten a lot of the things from cisco academy

[vapid dune]

welp

[nocturne harness]

it was a team of 5 working on a project all term
I'm doing one like that rn, we have to build an android app

[vapid dune]

any client?

[nocturne harness]

Half way done the semester, we have yet to start the app 😆

[vapid dune]

lol

[fresh copper]

I'm happy that I just have one more "introductory" CS course to do before I'm on to more interesting stuff. It's just a basic Java course since the first CS course is some weird language called Racket but I did the challenge exam for that so I didn't have to do the full course

[little schooner]

heh

[nocturne harness]

Gonna be some all nighters coming my way I see

[vapid dune]

I mean I spent a bunch of time gathering requirements and what not

[hollow marlin]

@little schooner networking is actually pretty broad as job role in the real world. Most positions have you also doing server admin, voice and even desktop. Reason why I went cert route and am sticking the service provider world.
I still have to deal with voice though but its difficult finding a networking only position unless you are silod

[nocturne harness]

I'm happy that I just have one more "introductory" CS course to do before I'm on to more interesting stuff. It's just a basic Java course since the first CS course is some weird language called Racket but I did the challenge exam for that so I didn't have to do the full course
Racket is a throwbackkk to first year 😆

[vapid dune]

since we had a "real" client

lol racket

[little schooner]

@hollow marlin yes i should take that into consideration

[nocturne harness]

nah we just get to make whatever we want basically lol

[vapid dune]

I didn't have to use Racket

I used Scheme though

[nocturne harness]

heh close enough

[vapid dune]

pretty much

[fresh copper]

I hate racket so much. But not even really the language but the IDE that we were forced to use was horrible

[vapid dune]

I mean functional programming is great

[nocturne harness]

Do you guys do the MIT progression too? Racket/C/C++?

[vapid dune]

but people really are bad at thinking about closures at that point imo

the language syntax is also horrendous for learning

[nocturne harness]

on the flip side you get recursion out of the way at the start

[vapid dune]

lol

that is if you understand it

[nocturne harness]

which lots of experienced devs are.... bad at

[vapid dune]

it's really poorly taught imo

[fresh copper]

Since I have a bit of experience with functional programming, I thought the full language was cool, but we had to use the "Student Language" where they disable all of the cool features

[vapid dune]

one of the fun courses I did was writing a compiler

subset of Java to ASM

[nocturne harness]

ohhh nice nice

we did subset of C to MIPS

Compilers was a fun course

[charred meadow]

Anyone have to use bluejay?

[nocturne harness]

OS was also good

[vapid dune]

the networking courses were kinda wonky lol

[nocturne harness]

We had to build essentially bit torrent from scratch for our networking course

worst assignment I've ever had in my life 😆

[charred meadow]

When I took networking it was a joke, but the year before it was brutal.

[fresh copper]

I'm excited for the compiler / ASM courses. There is one about CPU architectures where you write some ASM that I'll take in the spring

[distant wedge]

lmao.

[vapid dune]

the ones that get well into academia are interesting somewhat but also just way boring to me

"theory of computing"

I mean DFA are fun

[distant wedge]

"Today we are going to learn about what those ones and zeroes really mean, and then we are going to get philosophical"

[vapid dune]

like being able to draw a DFA is a good skill to have

fwiw I graduated like half a dozen or so years ago @fresh copper

[fresh copper]

Haha, yea, you never know how old people are on here. It's still always nice to hear other people's thoughts, course descriptions and rants on Reddit only go so far

[nocturne harness]

"Today we are going to learn about what those ones and zeroes really mean, and then we are going to get philosophical"
@distant wedge tbh I feel like my brain got more fuckey when I learnt more about how computers work

Like sure, I can explain to you the different parts of the CPU, etc

but then you get into this whole "Wait how does this thing like.. start???"

[vapid dune]

I mean for the post part the profs in UBC CS are still the same @fresh copper

[nocturne harness]

Some black magic shit is my conclusion

[waxen scroll]

the reddit network community is kinda cancer tbh

[vapid dune]

nevermind, scratch that a lot of new faces

[distant wedge]

lmao, I feel that on a personal level

[waxen scroll]

sysadmin is a little better but you'll still get some salty people

[distant wedge]

When I started learning about kernel instructions on Windows I was like "who the fuck came up with this stuff"

[hollow marlin]

@waxen scroll Its true now but opposite a half a year ago

[waxen scroll]

i feel like most of the posters work architecture at an ISP and if you arent at their level screw you

[hollow marlin]

Most are actually VAR

If you want networking knowledge/experience VAR is where its at

[nocturne harness]

Well, if you can't simply design a network to handle the entire world's traffic, who are you to say anything about running a home or small company network? /s

[waxen scroll]

i mean..... i do networks for places with up to 300k employees in global locations and i still say they're toxic

;p

[hollow marlin]

Oh not saying its not toxic AF

Plenty on there that if you don't agree with them than you're wrong

[fresh copper]

I did meet a lot of good people in the homelab subreddit a while back, but I ended up leaving it later because I found that unless you self-hosted every possible service and had all of your media on Plex etc, then you didn't really fit it that well

[nocturne harness]

😬

[waxen scroll]

lmao. i feel that way talking to blob sometimes

[nocturne harness]

That's the thing with enthusiast communities

[hollow marlin]

Its pretty well known that in r/homelab is the king of gatekeeping in the IT subs

[nocturne harness]

Some people are super super into the embrace it 110%, and other people just want to dip their toes in

[waxen scroll]

i suppose the homelab people also think their lab is gonna get them jobs. NOPE.

[nocturne harness]

And lots of people get turned around into thinking that somehow they're better than other people because they embraced their hobby 110%

[hollow marlin]

Someone posted a server chassis that they installed a 3900x/64gb and got reemed as its not a "server"

[nocturne harness]

Obviously unless it's Dell or HPE badged it's just a lowly computer /s

[hollow marlin]

My "server" is 6700k/64gb for my labbing and a Pi for Grafana/zabbix. I tried to think of something else to host but. meh

[waxen scroll]

my server is 300gb and i dont even power it on

[nocturne harness]

lol my "server" is my old 3570k desktop rig

chillin with 8GB of RAM IIRC

[fresh copper]

My server is not even in my home because I have nowhere to put it where it will not make a huge amount of noise

[waxen scroll]

part of why i dont homelab is i pay the power bill and the services running 24/7 would barely be used. i use one machine 99% of the time and so theres no point in hosting anything outside of that machine

[nocturne harness]

TBH my home server is basically just my convenience backup

Anything actually important runs in the cloud, because I'd rather get 0 effort 5x9s then deal with it all the time

[hollow marlin]

@waxen scroll partly why I just have a Pi for stuff I care about with my EVE-NG in standy. I can't justify the power bill

#adulting

[waxen scroll]

yep. VIRL is the only reason that old server is still in my house

[distant wedge]

Need to figure out tf this is

[fresh copper]

That's why I don't try to self-host things that can already be done easily without that. No point in spending forever tinkering with stuff that doesn't do anything special for you (unless you like doing that which is totally fine, but I usually only tinker if it's useful to me and I can't do something else easy)

[nocturne harness]

yeah, if your primary concerns are uptime and resilience, newsflash, hosting it home is terrible

[hollow marlin]

@fresh copper My time is already too limited. If this was 10 years ago, maybe but I just want the easy out

And 99% of what I do is cloud based

[nocturne harness]

but r/homelab will convince you that if you buy enough UPSs, used Dell servers and Cisco switches, you're set 😆

[distant wedge]

r/homelab has done the same

I have no reason for an eaton UPS with 3 EBM's, but I'm dead set on ordering it 😄

[nocturne harness]

tbh I have a UPS on my to-buy list becauese my neighbourhood gets low-single minute power outages frequently

[distant wedge]

yikes

You live in old Toronto?

[nocturne harness]

Yessir

[distant wedge]

heard

[nocturne harness]

😢

[waxen scroll]

i have plenty of time, the problem is that IT has exploded so much that you're wasting your time if you don't focus on one path. nobody important cares that you jack of all trades run AD at home, have LAMP, grafana, NAS, etc... i could go on. the $100k/yr question is "describe what enterprise experience do you have?"

[nocturne harness]

We get a < 10 min outage at least once every other week

[distant wedge]

I can't relate unfortunately, the last outage we had lasted 2 minutes and that was because one of the caps mounted on a pole started arcing and then stopped

[nocturne harness]

lol

I'm jelly

I've though about whole home UPS... seems overkill

nvm I went to r/homelab and they said I should buy one of these

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin tinkering is almost 100% out of my system at this point. I learn on the job. I learn as things become necessary for me to maintain future employment (like python)

[hollow marlin]

@waxen scroll but the question is did you post your RBG half rack in your resume?

[distant wedge]

Of course r/homelab would recommend that 😂

[nocturne harness]

Do you guys think that would be enough for my house?

[distant wedge]

that looks like a 600v switchgear

[nocturne harness]

Yeah, the batteries are probably in another room off to the side

probably a few tons of lead-acid batteries 😆

[waxen scroll]

the batteries are in the plain cabinets (source: worked around them)

[distant wedge]

Honestly, whole home UPSes are great if you live in an area where hydro is uncertain

[hollow marlin]

@waxen scroll Agreed. I tinkered a lot before I focused on my career and what I need to know in the future. CCIE/JNPIE are my tinkering after hours.

[nocturne harness]

the batteries are in the plain cabinets (source: worked around them)
@waxen scroll ohh interesting, are the grey cabinets behind the control gear then?

The DCs I've visit have had the batteries segregated into separate rooms, I assumed that was standard

[waxen scroll]

the grey are likely transfer switches for the generators

[nocturne harness]

ah makes sense

[distant wedge]

I've only worked around low voltage so can't relate lol

[waxen scroll]

ive only worked as facility staff in one (60,000 sqft), we had the batteries in the same room as everything else. the batteries took up most of the room. the one i worked around but wasnt staff had them separate i think

[distant wedge]

I know the newly built health facility I've been to has a UPS room that is like, completely segregated from the server room, but they just didn't have any sort of cooling in the UPS room

[hollow marlin]

We have batteries in the same room with two adjacent redundant generators in another. Same with last job. I would't say its uncommon

[distant wedge]

I guess there are just different standards

[waxen scroll]

on another note, dont work for a datacenter company too long ;p GTFO or you'll be a lifer with no promotions

[nocturne harness]

I wonder if it's with age too

both the DCs I've visited are relatively new--post Katrina companies realizing southern manhattan isn't great during natural disasters

[distant wedge]

I really like seeing the fire suppression systems though

[waxen scroll]

i worked with those too, kind of. i was responsible for disabling the alarms in the whole building for construction... i got to play with notifier panels, vesda systems, etc

geeked out a little

[distant wedge]

Ahhhh nice

[nocturne harness]

One of the DCs I went to was very over the top--bullet proof everything, bombproof construction, attack rated drywall, fences designed to be hit by a fully loaded MAC truck

[distant wedge]

I've dealt with Honeywell / Siemens....I moreso prefer Honeywell 😂

[hollow marlin]

@nocturne harness last work place was literally a bunker from ex-military base

[waxen scroll]

didnt really program anything though, its crazy how complex the panel gets though... even with an LCD display its hard if you arent trained

[distant wedge]

Yup, definitely mission critical for building security. We had one in my old office when I was a dispatcher

@nocturne harness It's amazing how serious you have to be with data security

[nocturne harness]

last work place was literally a bunker from ex-military base
LOL sounds about right

[distant wedge]

Some areas of the building I've been to don't even have room numbers / names on the doors, and the door doesn't have a door knob

At least not from the outside

[waxen scroll]

one of the panels looked like:

[distant wedge]

Honeywell?

[nocturne harness]

It's amazing how serious you have to be with data security
@distant wedge yeah, the company that owned that DC also holds the financial data of basically ever major financial company worldwide too

[distant wedge]

That looks like their newer hardware

[waxen scroll]

thats notifier

[nocturne harness]

so not only are they worried about casual cyber attack, but also state-sponsored espionage and potential physical attacks

[distant wedge]

Ahhhh

These are the ones I've worked with, but this is a Siemens system

[nocturne harness]

ye, so even entering the building was a PITA

[distant wedge]

I hated it tbh

Oh boy

[nocturne harness]

every bag got xray'd going in and out

everyone got wanded

the door past the lobby is one of those single person anti-piggyback doors

[waxen scroll]

ive often stared at the alarm test and strobe test buttons like i would an EPO button.... must not press

[distant wedge]

@waxen scroll I'd just call alarm monitoring and tell them we're putting the entire building on bypass and then just freak everyone out at 2AM in the morning

[nocturne harness]

and then the door into the secure area was one of those weight-measuring anti-piggyback doors lol

[distant wedge]

There was only 3 people in the building though since it wasn't an overnight building

[nocturne harness]

very annoying while bringing a tour group through 😆

[waxen scroll]

well i was actually calling them daily.... the second they heard my voice they were like *sigh.. you want it out right?

[distant wedge]

LOL

[waxen scroll]

lol

[distant wedge]

Gotta disable the anti-passback temporarily

Oh man I gotta tell you LZ

[nocturne harness]

funny enough, they said it's against policy LOL

[distant wedge]

The hospital I worked at was opened in 2007, and you know how old wiring gets after a certain period of time

Like how you get shorts, and all that stuff

We'd have the system put itself into supervisory because it couldn't contact a DGP

And every time I'd get a call from alarm monitoring about it and they'd be like "yes your building is in supervisory"

funny enough, they said it's against policy LOL
@nocturne harness I mean, imagine having to issue badges to everyone just to go through a door

[nocturne harness]

Oh, all the visitors were employees

they don't do public visits LOL

[distant wedge]

bruh

[nocturne harness]

so we just got our normal badges provisioned for DC access during the tour

[distant wedge]

Ahhh

[nocturne harness]

no way in hell they'd let visitors into the DC LOL

Apparently the founder of the company arrived for an unscheduled visit to the DC and couldn't get in

[distant wedge]

Imagine not having an "all doors" access

[nocturne harness]

doesn't sound secure 😉

[distant wedge]

I mean... you should tell that to the security manager at the hospital I worked at before

[nocturne harness]

😆

[distant wedge]

He was like "Oh I have all doors access" and I was like "that's nice"

[nocturne harness]

one of my friends dad's works in hospital IT

the stories... oh my

[distant wedge]

Believe me, there are people who do stupid things

Had nurses ask why they don't have access to the security office.

"My badge doesn't work"

me: "treat this office like the pharmacy, if you don't have access there, you probably won't have access here"

[waxen scroll]

part of the reason i quit that job was i was also building security.... yep. i did it all stopping short of mechanical stuff. babysat ATT for hours. did front desk. did rack and stack for customers. as someone whose highly motivated to do tech stuff its defeating

[distant wedge]

Absolutely

[waxen scroll]

on weekends they have people solo and its got a ton of customers. some how it worked out though. you could go do stuff and not be bothered too often

then here we are almost a decade later, im working for a customer of this same datacenter and i have to visit

only one person i know still worked there

v_v

i had to get a contract job to even get a legit network job

did that crap for 5 years

people arent hiring you as full time if you have no network experience. nobody likes juniors anymore AFAIK

@hollow marlin skillist

its getting really nasty out here. troubleshooting going to india. engineering needing a growing list of skills you're not gonna home lab like ACI or other spine/leaf topologies, automation/programming, etc

not sure how college kids are gonna get jobs at this point

luck?

small business only?

[hollow marlin]

The curve is growing. You need to learn from ground zero while also learning all the hot new buzz being thrown around. There is a big skill gap in understanding from college to VXLAN/EVPN in a DC. But if you apply for any position in enterprise you need to know it.

Not including all the legacy devices/protocols rampant

[waxen scroll]

keep in mind most of these people struggle to understand basic BGP because of inexperience, so i get that some of this you can learn on your own but its not gonna substitute real experience

i got in before much of this newer stuff and i still had a hard time

[distant wedge]

The only thing I know right now is Security+

I don't know what else to learn or get certified on lol

[waxen scroll]

@distant wedge im not even certed right now lol

[hollow marlin]

Don't get me started in BGP. I see even inexperience with basic L2/3 pretty common. I think the biggest problem is how much is just thrown on people or people that jump in realizing they think they know networking outside a small business

[waxen scroll]

now that the rules changed i might get CCNP but im not in a hurry

[distant wedge]

See I don't know what I want to get certs in

they're endless

It makes me feel that the certs are useless if you don't have the working experience for them

[hollow marlin]

Not really, they do show that you have at least some understanding, enough to get you in a position to apply it to experience and grow from there. They go hand in hand

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin well and theres another experience you get with people who work large enterprise.... the employer knows you know ITIL, you know to not cause outages due to stupid crap, etc.... my hiring manager literally said "oh you worked for X? i know how demanding they are and we cant have major unexpected outages here"

xD

[distant wedge]

case in point - a lot of organizations here looking for someone to work for them are looking for 5+ years worth of experience, there are barely any entry level things because nobody is willing to train someone, they want results right away

[waxen scroll]

Yeah, but when we do get people like that i love training them as long as they're motivated

[distant wedge]

I'm the same way

You can really see the drive for them to want to continue and learn

[waxen scroll]

like i taught someone about tracking devices down with trace route, CDP, mac address tables, etc and he took it and ran

[nocturne harness]

@distant wedge I shit you not, look at the TDSB or Peel School Board

[distant wedge]

I've seen their postings

Holy fuck

they want like seniors of seniors

[nocturne harness]

wait whattt

really??

[distant wedge]

The last time I saw their postings they were asking for someone with 7-10 years of experience in the networking industry

[nocturne harness]

ohhh

[distant wedge]

I don't remember exact certifications

[nocturne harness]

look for Specialist I roles

for the TDSB

[waxen scroll]

6-10 is common for what ive seen in jobs i apply for

[nocturne harness]

it's like, min college (uni) diploma + 6 months related experience

IIRC

at least, when I was there 😅

[distant wedge]

Oh wow

let me double check

They're looking for a programmer analyst rn but nothing else that I saw at least for PDSB

Gonna check DPCDSB

aight just gonna nope myself outta there

[nocturne harness]

BTW for the TDSB, their main IT offices are basically on the east mall

one at the east mall, one nearish the airport

you're probably a shorter commute there then I had 😆

[distant wedge]

Lolll probably

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin soon they will want programmer who knows network

[distant wedge]

If you know the skills for networking and programming, they may as well just amalgamate you and give you even more of a workload

[hollow marlin]

Which is why I need to dig into python. I feel as its already here as sysadmins already are being cut and the rest having a larger scope of work including networking and now its trickling into programming.

We are already working on some automation but luckily we are still needed to not just fix but understand what the code is supposed to do at the layers

[charred meadow]

Even biologists are having to learn programming now.

I'm helping my dad learn R.

[hollow marlin]

I feel in 5 years or so this will die down are the market will be so saturated with programming focused employees that cannot tshoot because they have focused away from networking 101

[waxen scroll]

ive been using python outside of touching devices too... like a biologist. if i need to process data about network equipment and do compares or whatever, i take 30min or so to make a python script. otherwise its a multi-day process

one of my recent ones opens two csv files and runs a compare and data dedupe process to tell me which monitoring system is missing what devices

you can kinda sorta do it with excel but you'd still need to manually review for dedupe

[nocturne harness]

@hollow marlin soon they will want programmer who knows network
@waxen scroll Well, with SDN, it's kinda becoming more important

Even working in SRE, most companies are moving away from running and setting up bare-metal and towards "Software as configuration" solutions

[hollow marlin]

SDN is already on the flat line. Companies are finding out its more expensive, more maintenance, more troubleshooting for anything major. I mean its going to be some time before the curve drops but at the moment its peak has already set

[waxen scroll]

i think SD-LAN is DOA, SD for datacenter is here to stay for now.

if companies could purchase cisco switches without DNA, they would

😄

[hollow marlin]

SDN on the LAN side does have some perks but it comes with the loss of visibility most implementations I have seen. DC and large SP deployments are all I see benefit from SDN

[waxen scroll]

i feel like wireless BLE is also DOA

my last job looked into the costs of an app that used BLE and NOPEDDDDDDD

basically smart = $

[nocturne harness]

Yeah fair enough

But eventually those "smart" features trickle down into cheaper products

As the technology advances etc

[waxen scroll]

we had an unlimited budget for a new massive corp HQ. once they saw the networking costs they went yeaaaaahhhhhhh can we modify this?

it went from first class cisco network to Aruba basic switches

no smart anything

802.1x is as smart as it gets

@hollow marlin back door golf course deal with either VP or higher