#networking | Linus Tech Tips | Page 192

wary sequoia May 27, 2020, 2:11 PM

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so is this picture an accurate representation of how it would work?

cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 2:11 PM

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"1. Power off the modem/router from your ISP (e.g. router box from Sky, BT, TalkTalk)
2. Take one of the cubes out of the Tenda box and then connect it to the ISP router (LAN port) using the cable indicated in the instructions (ethernet cable)
3. Go onto your Android or Apple phone and go to the respective app stores and download the Tenda WiFi app (free of charge);
4. Power up both the router and the Tenda cube; this will then make the first connection between your ISP modem and the Tenda cube
5. Ensure that your phone is connected to your existing WiFi network so that it can find the Tenda cube.
6. Open the Tenda WiFi app on your phone and follow the instructions on how to add the other cubes from the Tenda box.

It's as simple as that and should take no more than fifteen minutes.
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that picture looks correct to me

wary sequoia May 27, 2020, 2:13 PM

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alright, thanks very much.

cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 2:13 PM

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you may have a modem mode option in your router settings that you'd enable

wary sequoia May 27, 2020, 2:14 PM

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yeah, i think virgin media said something about that somewhere

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i think i'll figure it out when the time comes. again, thanks for the help

cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 2:14 PM

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if you're with virgin, its simple. i did it last month

wary sequoia May 27, 2020, 2:14 PM

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oh, cool

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you just have to type in that password on the bottom of the router, then find the setting?

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because i had to do that recently and i'm pretty sure i saw something about modem

cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 2:15 PM

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yeah, the password on the sticker should be correct unless you have changed it. modem mode should be on the left hand side. just make sure you plug the ethernet cable into the top port and you will be fine 🙂

wary sequoia May 27, 2020, 2:16 PM

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alright, cool. thank you

steady creek May 27, 2020, 3:28 PM

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i'm going to repost my question due to no response yesterday just in case it was missed...but i'll drop it if there's no response again:

Are there any well regarded consumer priced mesh access points that can be powered over Ethernet? I was starting to look at ubiquiti APs but some earlier conversations here suggested the quality and support (and warranty) are lacking in their offerings

further context:
i've just started wiring my home with cat6. currently using google wifi, but for various reasons, i'd like to move to something a little better suited to what i want, including power over ethernet ideally, plus possibly an outdoor-rated option, which ubiquiti has. but i saw some notes in here suggesting they don't really stand by their unifi products, which aren't built to last, so i'm wondering if there's anything a little better given what i'm looking for

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 3:34 PM

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The Ubiquiti stuff is generally good

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I have my complaints with them, but honestly I would still recommend them

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Across the board their products provide great value and quality

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 3:37 PM

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For the price, imo, for something soho/smb you can't beat it @nocturne harness

steady creek May 27, 2020, 3:47 PM

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thanks for the update @nocturne harness some of my comments were based on your thoughts/feedback that had come right when i joined here 🙂

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appreciate the "recommend, with caveats"

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 3:59 PM

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do you actually want mesh or just a bunch of APs @steady creek

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if it's wired, just get some Ubiquiti APs for good coverage imo

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:00 PM

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i needed mesh previously because i wasn't wired

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i started running cat6 this spring, and i currently have a run that routes to each mesh node, so the plan would be to replace with straight APs

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and add one more for outdoors

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that's why i'm looking to switch over from google wifi to (possibly) ubiquiti APs

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:01 PM

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I mean what's your goal for wifi? good coverage, good speed?

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:01 PM

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the wifi? coverage first

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everything speed/latency-sensitive (important ) is going to be hard-wired where possible

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coverage more for being in the yard on my phone, etc.

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:01 PM

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ap-ac-lite is pretty cheap if you just want some aps

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:02 PM

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right, that's what i'm thinking

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do a few lites, and then one pro for the outdoor light weather resistance

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:02 PM

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I don't have any experience in deploying them for business use. but for my household use the ap-ac-pro I have works great

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you don't really need to configure it once you have it going

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I've been using this AP for 4 years fwiw

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I wouldn't recommend buying any of their just released hardware if you want to avoid potential issues

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I agree that their QA is lacking

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I wouldn't upgrade firmware as soon as it's released either. but I don't keep up unless there's any glaring issues

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if it's stable I don't bother touching it for a while. but really I haven't run into issues upgrading it here and there

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Thanks for the extra info @vapid dune

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Sounds like for what I need it's a good option

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:06 PM

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I mean you can buy it on amazon to try it out. worst case you could return it heh

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Google WiFi has served me well enough but if I'm not using the wireless mesh, the ubiquitis sound like a better fit now

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:07 PM

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the part about speed now. I think the google ones might be better in terms of speed compared to the lite

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way less config stuff though

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Yeah. I'm ok with that. The goal of hard wiring was to have everything speed sensitive wired where possible. That includes media centers, stationary computers, and a hookup per bedroom for futureproofing (although the last bit isn't done yet)

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I have wired options everywhere reasonable, but wifi coverage is prioritized over speed for me, definitely

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:13 PM

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I think the lites are a good choice for putting them spaced out in a place. dunno we can see if anyone has better suggestions once they wake up lol

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Is there a lot of functionality I would be missing out on, if I tried to simply add a POE pro AP for my outdoor setup, behind my Google WiFi gateway? Vs getting knee deep in ubiquiti with the USG/ERL, etc?

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:14 PM

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if you're happy with the google router then you can keep that for now

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I started out with an asus N66u router. then I disabled the wifi once the wifi on it was getting crappy and put in my current AP

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eventually I wanted more so I put in the ERL

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Gotcha

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:15 PM

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but you don't lose out, just limited by what each device is supposed to be doing

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I've seen a lot of unifi deployed in the world

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especially gyms

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lol

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:16 PM

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the AP doesn't really talk to the other things in the stack. well maybe if you use guest portal and radius stuff it needs the controller

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but ignoring that, you don't even need the controller running. you just set it up once and leave it be

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 4:16 PM

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@nocturne harness mall here has UniFi lol

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 4:17 PM

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You'll need a unifi controller if you want to have AP handoff

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if I remember correctly

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Yes

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:17 PM

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oh really

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Because the controller does the steering

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ye

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 4:17 PM

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The controller handles hand off

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:17 PM

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in that case, you'll want it running

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Do you know how that works exactly? I think I read the controller can run on a raspberry pi, in a pinch, also?

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:17 PM

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I thought it could negotiate it between the ap and the device

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yeah you can run it on an rpi

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:17 PM

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That might be old though or maybe I'm thinking of the wrong device

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I had it on an rpi

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then I moved it to GCP

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you can also use cloud offerings like https://hostifi.net/ (free for a few devices)

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I have spare RPIs. Again, to get started at least, that seems like a good option

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Hostifi is just vultr, fyi

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He got a C&D from ubiquiti as well 🤣

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:19 PM

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lol interesting

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I haven't used it in a while

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 4:19 PM

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I think if you buy the unifi security gateway it has the controller built in

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:19 PM

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waiting for my GCP to either start charging me and if they do I'll move it back to a pi I think

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 4:19 PM

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if you're looking to replace your ruter too

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GCP has a free tier

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perpetually

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:20 PM

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kinda

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I think external IP may get charged

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 4:20 PM

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nope

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:20 PM

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I have it.. I get a bill

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lol

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they're in a grace period still

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 4:20 PM

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I have two VMs both with external IPs

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:20 PM

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weird

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 4:20 PM

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my GCP charge is $0/month

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:20 PM

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what about egress?

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Yeah there's charges for egress data

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I don't think the USG is a controller btw

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 4:21 PM

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it's like $0.15/GB IIRC

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:21 PM

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maybe the more expensive ones

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I don't think the USG is a controller btw
oh you're right

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my b

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 4:21 PM

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@nocturne harness the UDM/P has the controller built in

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USG line doesn't

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 4:22 PM

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ahhh that's what I was thinking of UDM P

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 4:22 PM

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I run the controller locally on a VM

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 4:22 PM

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lowkey I want a UDM P just for the digital screen on it

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😆

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Lol

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📎 Screenshot_20200527-122430_vSphere_Mobile_Client.jpg

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:24 PM

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ah the controller for roaming is if you want the thing where you can roam while on a voip call without issues https://community.ui.com/questions/active-controller-necessary-for-AP-Roaming/822ef383-6e7b-4bad-b877-fac42891286b

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 4:25 PM

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The vsphere mobile app is decent

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But not the best lol

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It's ok for quick stats, but doing anything else sucks

📎 Screenshot_20200527-122510_vSphere_Mobile_Client.jpg

south blade May 27, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Anyone have an idea as to why I can't access my DD-WRT router after messing with pfBlockerNG, fixing a DNS leak, and then noticing I cant' get to the DD-WRT web interface... This is how I'm setup PC -> DD-WRT -> PFSense -> Modem...so I would think accessing DD-WRT should be easy since I'm on the internet right now and it's literally the next device I'm connected to.

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Are you sure you have the right IP?

ruby ravine May 27, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Looks better than their API blob 😂

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 4:30 PM

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lmao

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:34 PM

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USG, UDM P, ERL. No wonder I was getting the devices confused 🙃

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 4:34 PM

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UniFi Security Gateway
UniFi Dream Machine Pro
EdgeRouter Lite

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USG is showing its age

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UDM(P) is the latest

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Yeah I knew 1/3, I have no idea what "dream machine pro" is

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 4:35 PM

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EdgeRouter Lite is well, uh, EdgeMAX

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:35 PM

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That sounds like something written for a bad comedy movie

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 4:35 PM

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All in one solution

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Router, switch (that you shouldn't use), UniFi controller, UniFi Protect, Talk, Access controller

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:37 PM

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lol

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 4:37 PM

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The switch only has a 1 Gig link to the rest of the system

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Lot of things haha. I do also need more ports on my switch for the remaining lines I'm running

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Setting up a proper (small) rack

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:38 PM

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I'm using the tplink 8 port vlan aware switch

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some cheap one heh

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I kinda want to get a small rack but I haven't really thought it through

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 4:38 PM

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https://blob.pcmr.rocks/THlycNPL4x.png

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Yeah...I'm early on in the rack considerations. I have a keystone patch panel, but right now I'm running everything through an 8-port cheap Netgear switch

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:38 PM

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I was considering that server case from rosewill haha

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currently my NAS sits in a fractal design r5 case

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I want uxg pro

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Which, when I add my Caseta light controller, my piHole, and the 3 AP cable runs, doesn't leave much room

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And I'm not done running cables

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I've got a switch for my pis to my main network switch

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but /shrug not really an issue since I'm not pushing gigabit off all the devices

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it's mostly me generating traffic anyhow and I'm not doing a lot all at once

steady creek May 27, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Yeah makes sense

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My family isn't going to saturate my links

south blade May 27, 2020, 4:44 PM

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@vapid dune Yes, the IP address is 192.168.10.10, I've pinged it and I get a reply lol

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:44 PM

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lol

south blade May 27, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Is there some port I should be forwarding maybe to get to the DD-WRT web interface?

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:44 PM

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you shouldn't need to if you can ping it though

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are you sure you have the right port? lol

south blade May 27, 2020, 4:45 PM

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_> I've never put a port

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So I don't know what it could be if it has one I can type in...

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:46 PM

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I mean I assume you've logged into it before?

south blade May 27, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Yes, all the time.

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:47 PM

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ah maybe try plugging your computer into a different port on the device, and/or another browser

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seems weird it would stop working

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I've had my asus router (that I now use as a switch) do stuff like change the web interface port when I change modes

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but not when I don't change anything

south blade May 27, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Yeah, I just got pfBlockerNG working the other day, then I fixed a DNS leak, and then I noticed I couldn't reach the router. LOL

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:49 PM

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hmm

south blade May 27, 2020, 4:49 PM

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I found someones screenshot showing the default port is supposed to be 8080, how would I forward that on PFSense?

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:50 PM

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I mean you're connected directly to the device aren't you?

south blade May 27, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Yep.

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PC -> DD-WRT -> PFSense -> Modem

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:53 PM

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the dd-wrt is in switch mode?

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also what if you set your IP to static, then unplug the link between dd-wrt and pfsense

south blade May 27, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Shit >_> can't say I know all the networking jargon....I guess so? I have PFSense handling DHCP, so I disabled that on DD-WRT.

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Been so long since I last changed the mode I set it to, I just go in there to switch WIFI passwords or channel really.

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:55 PM

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ah

south blade May 27, 2020, 4:55 PM

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It's a TP-Link Archer C7, should I just toss it out the window and get a Ubiquiti device? LOL

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Wifi has not been that great anyways.

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 4:58 PM

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I mean if your wifi isn't good then yes ;p

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only reason I got an AP was that I kept getting random disconnects while I was playing CR in the bathroom

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I don't like losing to the wifi monster

south blade May 27, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Yeah, my wifi has been pretty bad, phone showing like 12/40! I would atleast like that backwards, but no upload is almost 4 times higher than download.

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:00 PM

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O.O

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that's. slow

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I mean how fast is your internet

south blade May 27, 2020, 5:00 PM

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400/40, so I get my full upload over wifi lol

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:01 PM

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I'm lazy on my phone so I leave VPN on all the time. I get ~125/125 on my phone over wifi + vpn

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ah in which case that's crazy slow download

south blade May 27, 2020, 5:01 PM

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I just figured out the other day how to have per device VPN over PFSense.

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:01 PM

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I'm running wireguard on a pi

south blade May 27, 2020, 5:02 PM

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A Pi can get you that good a speed!? LOL

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:02 PM

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hmm it's a tinkerboard now that I think about it. but yeah it has a gigabit port

south blade May 27, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Before I got a box to put PFSense on I was trying it on this crap router, I was getting a WHOLE 20Mbps...for my whole house! Had to get rid of that quick.

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:03 PM

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lol

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my internet is 750/750 mind you

south blade May 27, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Where in the world does download = upload

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:03 PM

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in the land of fiber

south blade May 27, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Korea? >_>

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:04 PM

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but specifically I'm on the west coast of canada

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lol

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nah most of the residential ISPs have asymmetric

steady creek May 27, 2020, 5:05 PM

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how long of a stretch would you say is relevant before you consider switching from an indoor rated network cable to an outdoor rated cable?

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:05 PM

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I mean are you going outdoors?

steady creek May 27, 2020, 5:06 PM

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yeah, that's what i thought 🙂

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:06 PM

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cat 6?

south blade May 27, 2020, 5:06 PM

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I have a 4 port NIC in my PFSense box...I only use 1 port on it to hook up my router, and then my wired and wireless off of that...can I get a long range AP Ubiquiti and be done with it for now? Or does that thing need something else to work?

steady creek May 27, 2020, 5:06 PM

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i'm doing cat6 and planning the exit exactly where the AP is. i.e. it's not "running a length to a destination outdoors" it's just "going through the wall and immediately plugging in (with loop to avoid water entry)

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hence my desire for POE access points like the ubiquiti 🙂

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:07 PM

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ah yeah

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I mean outdoor rated cables are just beefier for... outdoors

steady creek May 27, 2020, 5:07 PM

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yeah

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i will probably just run my indoor spool right up to the wall

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and then do an interconnect/coupler to get outdoors. probably some degradation, but again, coverage/reliability over speed, so i think i can live with that

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:08 PM

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I wonder what the best practice is

steady creek May 27, 2020, 5:08 PM

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vs buying a full run from my panel to the outdoor location

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:08 PM

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I mean they sell couplers lol

steady creek May 27, 2020, 5:08 PM

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yeah

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i have several 🙂

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but fewer terminations is better, in theory. that said, i don't want to buy 30ft of outdoor rated cable just for this, either

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:09 PM

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well I mean you shouldn't do stuff like hiding a coupler inside a wall

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that gets patched up and forgotten about

steady creek May 27, 2020, 5:09 PM

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oh yeah definitely, it would be in my basement or attic

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inside the accessible space

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:09 PM

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terminating into a jack is essentially a coupler lol

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it's not an active process I mean

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agree with fewer points of failure etc though. but if the cost of outdoor vs indoor for the one inside run is high enough then it might be worth it to use two types

steady creek May 27, 2020, 5:11 PM

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yeah. that's the way i'm leaning

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:12 PM

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depending where you mount it, be weary of lightning

steady creek May 27, 2020, 5:13 PM

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also not something i had given any real thought to

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:13 PM

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oh the other thing you can do is run the cable all the way up to where the outdoor can reach and put the POE injector there lol

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assuming you don't have a POE switch

steady creek May 27, 2020, 5:13 PM

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i don't yet--but that's part of the upgrade plan when i replace the 8-port and rack mount everything

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:14 PM

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ah yeah

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here I was killing two birds with one injector

steady creek May 27, 2020, 5:14 PM

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🙂

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 5:16 PM

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I mean outdoor rated cables are just beefier for... outdoors
@vapid dune normally the cable jacket is also UV resistant

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:16 PM

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and water

steady creek May 27, 2020, 5:16 PM

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yeah, i was planning to have this under the roof overhang, where it wouldn't get direct UV

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 5:16 PM

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yeah

steady creek May 27, 2020, 5:16 PM

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and would be somewhat shielded from the elements

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:16 PM

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I mean what's the price difference of running it all the way?

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 5:16 PM

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I would suggest terminating into an outdoor rated faceplate

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and then using a super short patch cable

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:17 PM

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like is it an extra 100 ft? lol

steady creek May 27, 2020, 5:17 PM

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hmm...that probably changes where i'd locate things, but i can look into it

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eh. maybe ~30-40ft

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 5:17 PM

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ah

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 5:17 PM

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I think it's the best long-term option

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and probably the only one that compliant with building code--haha

steady creek May 27, 2020, 5:18 PM

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also it's "i have 700ft of cat6 left" and "i have 0ft of outdoor rated" 🙂

nocturne harness May 27, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Yeah it's cabling efficient too 🙂

steady creek May 27, 2020, 5:19 PM

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(i'll be using a chunk of that on additional wired runs to various locations already)

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if i go the short patch route, i can spend less than $20 (extra) to do it probably, so that's likely a winner

charred meadow May 27, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Could you put it in conduit?

steady creek May 27, 2020, 6:56 PM

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i could put it in conduit to pass it through the wall, but i eventually need to deal with termination one way or another

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sealing where the conduit exits the wall, and where iit connects to the AP
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sealing where the patch cable exits, and sealing connections

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i don't really know the best practice

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 7:37 PM

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yes

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Hi

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 7:37 PM

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hi

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:37 PM

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So I really want to get into networking by configuring my own VPN service that I would use from home and w/ AWS it's fairly cheap

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 7:38 PM

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vpn from home

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Although seeing your comment I'm a bit intimidated

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 7:38 PM

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so you mean a server on AWS?

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what do you mean by intimidated

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:38 PM

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So in the AWS marketplace they have the option of setting up an OpenVPN server

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 7:39 PM

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what do you mean by home VPN on AWS

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:39 PM

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I'm currently using an OpenVPN server on AWS

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 7:39 PM

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you could just use this https://www.pivpn.io/ if you want an easy setup

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:40 PM

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📎 AWS.PNG

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 7:40 PM

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should run just fine on debian

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 7:40 PM

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you mean you want to set up your own web stuff but host the thing on an AWS machine somewhere?

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:40 PM

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I'm sorry I'm a bit of a tech newbie

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But I want to learn

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 7:40 PM

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what kind of problem are you trying to solve with the VPN?

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 7:41 PM

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yeh

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:41 PM

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I'm thinking about buying a router flashing it w/ DD-WRT and installing an OpenVPN connection on the router

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If that makes sense

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I could use a service like PIA however w/ that approach you don't have a static IP address

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 7:42 PM

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you don't even have to like- flash it necessarily

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Do you mean getting it through FlashRouters?

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 7:42 PM

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is the idea you want to hide your IP?

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:42 PM

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No

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The idea is to kind of get into networking

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 7:42 PM

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then why?

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o.O

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:42 PM

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O.o

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 7:42 PM

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to me this just makes your life harder not easier

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ie port forwarding with a VPN is a hassle

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unless you're going to do split tunneling

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even then, more hassle

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I'm just curious what problem are you trying to solve

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:44 PM

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I'm just kind of bored and don't trust my ISP 100% to be honest

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 7:44 PM

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what's your isp

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:44 PM

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ATT previously Spectrum

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I'm happy to be away from Spectrum tho

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 7:45 PM

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perhaps if you want to like- remote control LAN-controlled things like a management network for servers a vpn is good

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on your own router

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but

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it's not necessary

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 7:47 PM

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if you don't trust your ISP

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then there's no reason to trust AWS in the same region

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unless you're going to use AWS in a different country? not sure about the legality of stuff when that occurs

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:48 PM

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I'm just kind of weird

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I have a lot of time on my hands and want to get into networking

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 7:48 PM

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i've recently started learning networking and found it really helpful to virtualize a pfsense router on my local network. you can configure your own dns server, subnets, vlans, firewall rules.

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:49 PM

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I've seen YouTubers that use PFsense

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cough * Kitboga

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 7:49 PM

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I was gonna say I don't think VPN is really typical networking constraint

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the routing, dns, vlan, etc stuff definitely

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not saying don't go for it either, since that's what you want to do

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I'm just trying to figure out why lol

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Ever since I've been about 16 I've been very interested in VPNs and cloud computing

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Like

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Extremely obsessed w/ it

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To the extent that some people are w/ gaming rigs

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Again I'm a bit weird

cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 7:52 PM

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The past month, i have created a whole enterprise network for fun. absolutely no need for it. i just find it cool

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rocky badge May 27, 2020, 7:52 PM

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small network :^)

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cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 7:53 PM

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yours probably has a purpose

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 7:53 PM

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this is at home lmao

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no real purpose

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I could dumb it down but nahhh

cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Just curious. What does your home assistant do?

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Handles all IoT

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Is my obsession with cloud computing weird

cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 7:55 PM

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No

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 7:55 PM

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cloud computing is kinda a buzz word to me lol

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like if we're talking about elastic services and what not, then sure we're into cloud computing

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 7:56 PM

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full cloud and hybrid is the future imo lol

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 7:56 PM

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but a server that's hosted isn't what I think of as cloud computing

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I mean maybe that's just being pedantic about "cloud computing"

cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Does docker swarm and k8s count as cloud computing if it's running locally (not in an actual cloud)?

thick minnow May 27, 2020, 7:57 PM

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The cloud refers to a server @vapid dune

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 7:57 PM

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I would call that a local cloud @cedar igloo

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 7:57 PM

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@cedar igloo That's using tech usually used in a cloud

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 7:58 PM

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people use kubernetes deployed on a small cluster of PIs as a way to demonstrate/test/run locally

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it's pretty interesting, I haven't found a need for it yet but interesting

cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 7:58 PM

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I swear by docker swarm at the moment at work. Need to get into k8s

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 7:58 PM

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@cedar igloo btw Home Assistant

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oops lol

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 7:59 PM

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I want to have a proxmox server up with like a bunch of different applications running but the problem is my server is loud and my mum is angery at the bill

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 7:59 PM

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https://blob.pcmr.rocks/vxM67TVvaZ.png

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 7:59 PM

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what's the bill like

cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 7:59 PM

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I want to have a proxmox server up with like a bunch of different applications running but the problem is my server is loud and my mum is angery at the bill
@bitter magnet exactly the same situation as me. I have to turn my server off between 9pm and 8am

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 7:59 PM

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I can't really run it like at all

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 8:00 PM

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servers definitely need to be in the basement or something if you're running it with stock fans lol

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they're so loud

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 8:00 PM

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supermicros are loud

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 8:00 PM

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maybe if you Noctua the heck out of it for home use

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 8:00 PM

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My R620 isn't that loud

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Especially for a 1U

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 8:00 PM

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1U sized fans are pretty loud

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 8:00 PM

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supermicros are loud
@bitter magnet
I have a tower with like 12 fans psus included, but those fans are like blowie matrons

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 8:01 PM

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lol

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yeah in a DC they don't care about noise

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 8:01 PM

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my mum doesn't understand the importance of having ipmi running and she's like the server can only run for the time you are actually running it

cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 8:01 PM

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What os is that iot VM using? It looks kinda cool

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 8:01 PM

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ipmi runs when the server is "off" 😉

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 8:01 PM

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@cedar igloo https://www.home-assistant.io/getting-started/

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 8:01 PM

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and when I decide to play a bit of zelda whilst installing stuff, she's like ONE OR THE OTHER NOT BOTH TOO MUCH POWER

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 8:01 PM

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o.o

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the start up of a computer is super high load

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especially if it's a NAS

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 8:02 PM

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📎 20200516_204920.mp4

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 8:02 PM

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it's like a large spike in power use

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 8:02 PM

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the R620 also isn't high pitched

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it's a low hum

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 8:02 PM

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I could sleep to that

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 8:02 PM

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yea

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 8:02 PM

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and I wouldn't have to run my heater

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 8:03 PM

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it actually doesn't kick out a lot of heat either....

cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 8:03 PM

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and when I decide to play a bit of zelda whilst installing stuff, she's like ONE OR THE OTHER NOT BOTH TOO MUCH POWER
@bitter magnet recently I started powering the server from two separate extension cables with the cables a mess. My parents cant see which cable to unplug

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 8:03 PM

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vapid dune May 27, 2020, 8:03 PM

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maybe they'll just flip the breaker in the house LOL

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problem solved

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 8:04 PM

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not a lot of power usage as well

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cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 8:04 PM

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That would take out CCTV and internet. My dad won't last an hour without his candy crush

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 8:04 PM

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my network isn't reliant on the server

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 8:04 PM

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their house their rules I suppose

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 8:04 PM

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the core network can function without the server

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 8:05 PM

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time to get a bunch of 2nd hand raspberry pis and noctua fans

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and make a cluster

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doesn't sound noisy

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so it doesnt noticeably drain power cos my mum doesnt have to know it exists or runs

cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 8:06 PM

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I always found storage an issue with those

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 8:06 PM

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hide them around the house? 😄

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lol

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hide it in the walls!

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or in the attic

bitter magnet May 27, 2020, 8:06 PM

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my room is big enough

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has a storage area

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 8:06 PM

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mine's shoved in the basement

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 8:06 PM

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crawl space

cedar igloo May 27, 2020, 8:07 PM

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I always found storage an issue with those
@cedar igloo I meant like hard drive storage

hollow marlin May 27, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Well they just added boot from USB support to the Pi4.

rocky badge May 27, 2020, 8:08 PM

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I USB boot my server lol

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I need to setup PXE tho

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 8:21 PM

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that's not out of beta is it yet @hollow marlin

hollow marlin May 27, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Dont think so. Saw it last week

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 8:22 PM

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I'm waiting for it to get out of beta

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currently using SD card to bootstrap it

waxen scroll May 27, 2020, 10:24 PM

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@hollow marlin im sick of using SD cards

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i did finally find a stable one but not sure how long it will last. i think its been in there a year now

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i cant find the link but its some kind of SD card marketed for running apps off of

craggy parcel May 27, 2020, 10:44 PM

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SanDisk high endurance?

hollow marlin May 27, 2020, 10:51 PM

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@waxen scroll I wish m.2 was just a standard on it. Its on many other micro boards

waxen scroll May 27, 2020, 10:52 PM

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@craggy parcel sounds right. For some reason it's not in my Amazon history

craggy parcel May 27, 2020, 10:53 PM

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Would an M2 slot fit on the pi?

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Not using those cards myself. But heard then recommended for SBC usage.

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 10:57 PM

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there's an M.2 adapter I think

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I mean it's to USB

south blade May 27, 2020, 11:05 PM

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I think I'm going to buy a used UAP-LR to try out. Any ethernet cable should work for POE right? Most sellers don't seem to include them.

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 11:06 PM

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yeah

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why LR?

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just get lite or pro

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or nanohd if you want speed

little schooner May 27, 2020, 11:08 PM

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@south blade I have the LR and it worked great for my dad's home

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The signal reaches everywhere in his house

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In his home, it was best case because there was a clear center in his house that was the perfect mount

south blade May 27, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Yeah, hoping to be able to get good signal outside. >_> Building on 4 acres and not that I want this to reach 3 buildings but would like it to reach as far as it can.

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I'm probably gonna have one of these in each place with wire underground to each place. LOL

little schooner May 27, 2020, 11:10 PM

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If it's arces, like getting signal to a barn, you can use their high ghz antenna products

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I forget what they are called

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Air max or something

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https://www.ui.com/products/#airmax

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Technology platforms for Internet Access, Enterprise, and SmartHome applications.

south blade May 27, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Yeah, I'm watching videos on how all this works, cause I thought you needed another piece of hardware to control/setup this thing, but looks like I can hook it up straight to PFSense and setup from there.

little schooner May 27, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Yeah. It's only used to connect over long distance

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But then you still need an additional access point for clients to connect to

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The airmax units just make a clear, stable fast connection over radio

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If you don't want to run long wire

south blade May 27, 2020, 11:13 PM

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I got a lot of trees, don't know how many I'm keeping, but line of sight MIGHT not be possible....will consider it though if I don't get the courage to dig a trench through a power line easement on my property. LOL

little schooner May 27, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Hehe yeah

south blade May 27, 2020, 11:14 PM

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One day I'll get a projector and put a big ass screen somewhere in here. xD

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vapid dune May 27, 2020, 11:16 PM

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I wouldn't bother with LR for using it outside

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I mean I'm going to assume the limit is actually the client device not the AP

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that could be misinformation or outdated info though

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those airmax are kinda slow .-.

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just run a cable into the woods

south blade May 27, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Hmmm, let me see how much the Pro comes out to used on eBay, like I said I'm imagining having to get 3 of these anyways, one for each place, so just to try it out.

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 11:22 PM

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I mean if you aren't too concerned about getting as fast as possible speeds and what not. just go with lite

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the lite is 2x2 and the pro is 3x3

south blade May 27, 2020, 11:23 PM

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That's the only difference?

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 11:23 PM

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https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/360008036574-UniFi-Access-Point-Comparison-Charts#1

south blade May 27, 2020, 11:25 PM

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I mean sounds good...but to me, a noob, the TP-Link Archer C7 sounded fine too...No comparison to this garbage? LOL

vapid dune May 27, 2020, 11:26 PM

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fwiw I turn my transmit power on 2.4Ghz to low on my ap-ac-pro

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otherwise my phone stays connected well outside my unit (and there's terrible connection since my phone can't actually talk to the AP properly)

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I'm in a small 1k sqft townhouse though

south blade May 27, 2020, 11:45 PM

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I'm thinking either the LR or the Pro, but the LR is the one that's got a bigger discount used, the price for Pro is too close to new to buy used. 😛

steady creek May 28, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Just ordered a Pro on eBay. We'll see how it goes

south blade May 28, 2020, 12:22 AM

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How much you get it for?

steady creek May 28, 2020, 12:24 AM

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$120 shipped? Includes the poe injector.

I "made an offer" to a seller. I probably could have gone cheaper if I waited and/or bid

south blade May 28, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Not bad, you didn't see the one for $110 from a guy named brookstick?

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Shoot! I just thought of something, I see the Pro for $70 without PoE, the PoE is $12 on Amazon....

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Ah maybe next time, I'm probably gonna need a few of these anyways.

steady creek May 28, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Yeah. My plan was just to get one with less hassle for now, and if i wind up getting more, I'll hunt a little harder for deals

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But I'm not getting multiple pro's anyway. One pro and the rest Lites

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Pro for technically being mildly weather resistant. I don't need LR or pro for indoors

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 1:00 AM

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mixing and matching based on needs isn't an issue

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just gotta make sure they don't overlap too much etc

little schooner May 28, 2020, 1:35 AM

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My professor got both of his APs water damaged

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they no longer work anymore

steady creek May 28, 2020, 1:42 AM

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i also need to start shopping for a PoE switch with 16+ ports (not all requiring POE) 🙂

little schooner May 28, 2020, 1:47 AM

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It's a good idea yeah

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Power over a cable that is easy to throw around and get long length of is nice

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No need for an electrician, etc

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No extensions

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No bulgy power supply

steady creek May 28, 2020, 1:54 AM

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yeah, for now the plan is to use the injector at my patch panel, but i'm planning to rack everything in the next month or so and as i add cable runs, i'm going to run out of switch ports quickly 🙂

hollow island May 28, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Not sure where to put this but. For the past 4 years our internet company replaced the fiber optic line to our house 8 times in the last 4 years. The issue is something is chewing the cable, They have put the cabling underground and still got chewed. The issue is we are surrounded by woods/trees. I'm wondering if there is something I can coat the cable in to deter rodents. They have on 3 occasions denied to replace it and offer us service. Sadly they are the only internet company that services our area.

south blade May 28, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Wow, is it cable straight into the ground? No conduit or anything?

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Gravel couldn't be a problem for the cable would it, that'd probably deter rodents...

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Or sand? I don't know about ways this is done but if it has sand they can't tunnel into it unless they want it collapsing on them! >:)

hollow island May 28, 2020, 3:34 AM

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They put the cable in half inch pvc pipe

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and they still chewed thru it

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the problem is the Utility poles are on the otherside of the road so having the cable going under the road (Which is paved) requires a permit to get

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they have put the cable under the road 4 different times

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Last fall when this happened, they put it up in the air and encased it in a spring type substance

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they still managed to chew it

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This time they wanted me to pay a certain percentage of the price to replace the line

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from the pole to the home is 85 ft

little schooner May 28, 2020, 3:42 AM

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@hollow island tell them to treat the line as if a nuclear bomb was going to go off and destroy it

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They need that protection

south blade May 28, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Besides rock, I'm not sure what'd help then, cause if it's been in PVC and they're chewing threw that then it won't make a difference what else it could be coated in. 😛

hollow island May 28, 2020, 3:43 AM

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for 85ft of fiberoptic they said its around 500$ usd, not including labor to have someone to do the job. They want me to pay 50$ usd (10%)

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the problem is the line coating is a soy based.

south blade May 28, 2020, 3:43 AM

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sounds delicious.

hollow island May 28, 2020, 3:43 AM

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^

little schooner May 28, 2020, 3:43 AM

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They need to use one that isn't then

hollow island May 28, 2020, 3:44 AM

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i agree

little schooner May 28, 2020, 3:44 AM

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Tell them to spend more money on the right coating

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Or hire a consultant

hollow island May 28, 2020, 3:44 AM

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this happens twice a year

little schooner May 28, 2020, 3:44 AM

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They should be asking for help if they can't figure it out

south blade May 28, 2020, 3:44 AM

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Rock I say

little schooner May 28, 2020, 3:44 AM

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Not payment help only to have it happen again

hollow island May 28, 2020, 3:45 AM

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I have no issue paying a smidge for a better coating

little schooner May 28, 2020, 3:45 AM

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@hollow island I'd say that should be the condition you tell them

hollow island May 28, 2020, 3:46 AM

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They are having a tech come out and fix the issue.

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tomorrow

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5/28

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My idea is to Put the cable in Stainless steel piping

south blade May 28, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Shoot, sounds like they're having a good days work for them with these issues.

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steel will rust, you'll have other issues eventually.

hollow island May 28, 2020, 3:47 AM

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this road is an active one so they have to shut the road down to do the job everytime

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Rodents are trash

thorny vector May 28, 2020, 3:48 AM

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If you're trying jank solutions, maybe spray foam around it as well?

south blade May 28, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Something fishy going on here then cause cables are buried under roads all the time and you don't hear this being a common issue.

hollow island May 28, 2020, 3:49 AM

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our township wants permits done when lines go under a highly traveled road

south blade May 28, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Spray foam might make good bedding material for a rodent. 😛

hollow island May 28, 2020, 3:49 AM

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lol

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im sure its a Mole undergound

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and a squirrel when the cable is in the air

south blade May 28, 2020, 3:50 AM

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I know! Get the line placed back on the pole and buy a pellet gun! 😄

thorny vector May 28, 2020, 3:50 AM

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So they'll chew on the foam instead of the cable 😜

hollow island May 28, 2020, 3:51 AM

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lmao

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Right now the line is suspended in the air going from the home to the utility pole

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Not sure what they are going to do.

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galvanized metal could work

south blade May 28, 2020, 3:54 AM

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I've had rodents chew down to the wire mesh on my coax but they seem to stop there, haven't had anyone actually have to come out and fix any lines in the house before. Them having to come out multiple times to fix the same issue is time punched in for them now. 😛

hollow island May 28, 2020, 3:54 AM

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Can they deny me service because this issue keeps happening? because they have before.

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And i'm not touching Satellite internet

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Never had an issue when they served Cable internet

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because of the wire mesh in the coax

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I'm wondering if they can convert Optic to cable

south blade May 28, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Burying cable isn't anything new, but you don't see streets being dug up all the time because of stuff like this. Fiber isn't new either, if it was delicious to a rodent we wouldn't be using what's already there....

hollow island May 28, 2020, 3:57 AM

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They upgraded everything in 2016 ish to fiber from Cable

south blade May 28, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Hey, now that you mention it, I thought a lot of places did have optical to a certain point and then coax to the home.

hollow island May 28, 2020, 3:57 AM

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I know

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My current speed plan is 500-800 Down and 250-300 up

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coax most likely wouldn't bottleneck it

south blade May 28, 2020, 3:59 AM

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No shouldn't, that's what they use here in my city, my brother just got 1Gps and it's over caox. He actually just put in like 500ft from a house nearby his and ran it to his actual house. xD

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No one lives in that other house, it's his inlaws property. ISP wanted $1.5k to run it to his house, he got 500ft of coax instead. xD

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:00 AM

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wondering if they put it underground or in the air this time

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They said they will have this problem fixed once in for all.

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thats what the Rep said

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but they say that everytime

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

south blade May 28, 2020, 4:02 AM

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🤑

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:02 AM

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Just getting fed up with this

south blade May 28, 2020, 4:02 AM

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I know I'd be. The neighbors have the same services?

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:02 AM

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Yep

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no issue

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the rodents don't want me to have internet

south blade May 28, 2020, 4:04 AM

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Offer to pay for part of the monthly bill and you buy some hardware to send signal to your place. xD

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:05 AM

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We have a huge oak tree in our front yard and our whole west and south side of our house is wooded

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so some rodent likes snacking on our line

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little do they know i'll hire a firing squad to kill anything that goes near that line

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I was on the phone with them for 1 1/2 hours troubleshooting. wanted me to reset my router and switch, make sure the fiber line is in all the way.

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im 90% sure the line is the issue

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Able to communicate with everything locally

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They have said that, themselves can't even communicate with the router and it's not connected to their systems. Meaning its most likely the line again.

south blade May 28, 2020, 4:11 AM

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You mean the modem

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:12 AM

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yes

south blade May 28, 2020, 4:12 AM

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have you gone into the modems web interface just to take a look around in it?

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:13 AM

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Ive done tons of stuff to it

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was hesitant to reset it.

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changed the dns etc

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woke up and went to watch netflix to only find out i have no connection.

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I knew something was up the day before because my latency was a fair bit higher like 90ms from a normal 5

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:22 AM

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needs conduit

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:23 AM

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they have

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only pvc

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:23 AM

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fiber is definitely a better choice than coax

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really even in pvc conduit there's issues?

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:23 AM

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Yep

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:23 AM

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wtf kind of rats are these

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:23 AM

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they chew thru it underground

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:24 AM

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I wonder if they bury metal conduit lol

south blade May 28, 2020, 4:24 AM

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That's what I was wondering, sounds like it'd rust.

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:24 AM

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I mean rust isn't a problem is it

south blade May 28, 2020, 4:24 AM

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Not an immediate problem I guess. 😛

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:26 AM

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I mean it's probably not cheap

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:26 AM

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when its in the air, they have it in a plastic seething

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like that

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:26 AM

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o.o

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:27 AM

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they tried tons of stuff

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:27 AM

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https://amftgs.com/direct-burial-conduit-fittings/

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hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:27 AM

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the current way they have it set up is in the air

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:27 AM

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I'm just glad my fiber is in the sewers lol

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:27 AM

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i don't think they want to spend over a grand

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its 85ft to the home

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:28 AM

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ah I see

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I mean pulling cable inside conduit is fast

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:28 AM

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plus labor

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you have to lay it

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:28 AM

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but burying it is the labor part lol

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yeah

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:29 AM

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When i had at&t they put a dsl line under the road

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and no issue

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same location

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:29 AM

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I mean that's how fiber can be done sometimes

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micro trench into road

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:29 AM

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yea

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:29 AM

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or deep trench if it's expensive / long term planning

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my ISP was doing fiber in my entire area

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:30 AM

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it was 4ft under the ground, they used a machine to shoot the cable under the road

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:30 AM

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I think they pulled 20 fibers to my building really

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ah yeah

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:30 AM

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but with fiber you have to be careful

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Local ISP did aerial and underground lol

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:30 AM

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their fiber testing tools are pretty awesome though

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tells you the length of the fiber and if it's good

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 4:31 AM

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AT&T is doing underground only iirc in my area

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:31 AM

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At&t pulled out of my area do to a lawsuit

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:31 AM

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I mean you definitely want to be careful with fiber but done right it's way better

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my latency to stuff around here is just awesome

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 4:32 AM

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AT&T and Local ISP are the only fiber ISPs, Then you also have Spectrum with docsis

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:32 AM

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i knew something was wrong when my latency was 90ms when its always 3-5

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 4:32 AM

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4ms latency to ping google. is great. I mean that's because the server it's going to isn't that far

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welp

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:32 AM

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i was getting 90ping when pinging my school's network

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as they have fiber

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 4:33 AM

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cries in docsis

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hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:33 AM

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not bad tbh

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using a hotspot to get things done

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 4:33 AM

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I'm on WiFi as well, but my WiFi latency isn't bad lol

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I get 1-2ms to local shit over WiFi

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:34 AM

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on hotspot

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but can't play any games due to the ping jumps

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 4:35 AM

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2x2 802.11AC 😦

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:35 AM

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oof

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better than my 20mbps hotspot atm

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 4:35 AM

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this is local*

hollow island May 28, 2020, 4:35 AM

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ah

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still better

upper cypress May 28, 2020, 6:11 AM

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@rocky badge Nice! but also very lucky lol

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 6:11 AM

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lol

upper cypress May 28, 2020, 6:16 AM

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@rocky badge My download is like 900kbs and my upload is 1mbps, my ping is around 24ms

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so yea big oof

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it took me about two days to install gta v on pc

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https://tenor.com/view/dead-suicide-death-shoot-myself-kill-myself-gif-4986907

Tenor

thick minnow May 28, 2020, 7:28 AM

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So I'm going to rant here a bit. Apologies

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So I live in arizona, which one of the main ISP'S is Cox Communications. I've rarely had issues with them, and we have had service with them for oh... 20 years or more for internet in multiple houses. Currently we are in a new build home. Today randomly my internet went out. I looked over all of my devices to see what was going on, and tried to see using mobile data if there was an outage. No outage reported that I could see. So as the night went on i left it alone to see if it would fix itself. So far no go. I went online to chat with their support to check the fiber modem we have (gigablast is great. 800 down 900 up on most days). They said they couldn't get a signal and couldn't do anything on there end. I asked if they could send a tech out and they said yes, but they couldn't come inside because of the scary thing going on. Also, they have maintenance tonight. Normal maintenance it seems so hopefully it fixes it, but if not, we are screwed out of having internet unless we temporarily switch to a coax modem I think, as I don't have the tools to to terminate new fiber.

Basically I'm mad that this virus causes problems with services that are needed for work purposes, and that my internet is out.

little schooner May 28, 2020, 12:40 PM

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@rocky badge how do you get such low ping over wifi

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Is there a secret to it because I'm literally next to mine and it's still like 30ms

clear igloo May 28, 2020, 1:07 PM

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@little schooner Local latency or remote?

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I get ~4ms over wireless but I've got fiber 😄

burnt oasis May 28, 2020, 1:13 PM

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@little schooner are you pinging our router or something outside of your network? I'm sure you are 0 to your router.

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your*

little schooner May 28, 2020, 1:16 PM

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Local

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Let me check again

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This is right next to the AP

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It can be as high as 11

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@clear igloo local

clear igloo May 28, 2020, 1:18 PM

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oh wow, yah, I get 1ms local on wireless

little schooner May 28, 2020, 1:18 PM

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What the heck

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I might have more bad cables here then

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Well from where I'm at, I have to hop in 3 switches before it hits router

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Does the switch count mess with the latency that much?

clear igloo May 28, 2020, 1:19 PM

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It can, depending on the load and ASIC

little schooner May 28, 2020, 1:20 PM

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I have a netgear one that I really dispise

clear igloo May 28, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Usually I'd expect 1-2ms tops from a generic switch

little schooner May 28, 2020, 1:20 PM

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It crashed on me One time

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The most generic switch I have is a dlink dg1100 05

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@clear igloo kinda want to borrow a cable certifier to make sure the runs I got are good

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Since the Tester doesn't really do all that

hollow marlin May 28, 2020, 1:26 PM

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iPerf with udp and -b 1000m and see what loss you get over the cable if you can instead

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you'll get some loss depending on PCs but it should give you an idea of the cable without a tester

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@little schooner

little schooner May 28, 2020, 1:32 PM

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@hollow marlin thx I'll give that a try

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Does it matter if I run iperf Linux or windows?

hollow marlin May 28, 2020, 1:42 PM

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nah. not for a gig

hollow island May 28, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Update: Isp came out and replaced the 85ft of fiber optic cabling, They put the cable in the air again, This time they put a metal rodent resistant mesh over the full 85ft.

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Hopefully this is the last time they have to fix this issue.

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 2:52 PM

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lol wow

hollow island May 28, 2020, 3:04 PM

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lol

little schooner May 28, 2020, 3:24 PM

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if it can go wrong, it will

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but lets see if their workman/womanship pays off.

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if not, time to get consultant to help them

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@hollow marlin ugh i really hate this conversion stuff

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hollow marlin May 28, 2020, 3:26 PM

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Having worked with fiber I can say I have never seen that mesh.

little schooner May 28, 2020, 3:26 PM

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the teacher wants us to show the work

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hollow marlin May 28, 2020, 3:27 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/what-is-that-what-the-fuck-is-that-martin-freeman-gif-15537936

Tenor

little schooner May 28, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Hex to decimal

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After this assignment, I'm just using formulas in excel to do all the conversions

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She just wants us to suffer this one time

hollow marlin May 28, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Wolframalpha is your friend

little schooner May 28, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Oh nice thx

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@hollow marlin my teacher is using slang in the school email

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i think she was trying to say ima

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but

hollow marlin May 28, 2020, 3:43 PM

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hah!

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Older or younger? I feel more older teachers pull that

little schooner May 28, 2020, 3:44 PM

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shes older

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She said she's retiring this year or next year

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We taught her how to use discord yesterday

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We made a class group and everything

hollow marlin May 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Her last message should be "Alight, imma head out" or it was all for nothing

little schooner May 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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haha, she actually does say aiight during lectures

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yeah she does use that style

hollow marlin May 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Discord is the best chat platform. Im glad you showed her. We actually push it at work because teams...well yeah...teams

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Its just missing the businessy features like calendar and such

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If they had a self host option it would of been a go

little schooner May 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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yeah that would be fantastic

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last semester for my linux class, no one really used teams

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i was the only one sending prof messages there

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which he wouldn't respond to half the time

hollow marlin May 28, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Well he probably didnt get notified 🙃

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Biggest problem I have with teams

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Also Xeon, I know you like diagrams. I have built 3d stencils so I can test for some presentations

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Just testing at the moment trying to get a feel how to improve on it

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 3:52 PM

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@little schooner idk

little schooner May 28, 2020, 4:12 PM

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@hollow marlin i really like em yeah

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looks cool

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@rocky badge ill just set everything to Wumbo setting then and see if it fixes it

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 4:13 PM

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lol

little schooner May 28, 2020, 4:13 PM

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/s

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 4:14 PM

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lol

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https://blob.pcmr.rocks/0UwBlmgs3y.png

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LibreSpeed can't handle 10 gigabit

steady creek May 28, 2020, 4:24 PM

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i think she was trying to say ima
@little schooner

She was saying "I am"

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"I am setting up..."

little schooner May 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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yeah. but she uses slang in class every so often too

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heh

little schooner May 28, 2020, 6:07 PM

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@hollow marlin ```
1 0 0 1 1 0 1 1
128 | 64 | 32 | 16 | 8 | 4 | 2 | 1
128 + 16 + 8 + 2 + 1 = 155
1 = 0001, 5 = 0101
BCD = 0001 0101 0101

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professor marked this wrong. Its Binary to Binary-Coded Decimal

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but it should be right.

hollow marlin May 28, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Im guessing it should be, I have never worked with BCD other than knowing its what binary clocks use

charred meadow May 28, 2020, 7:00 PM

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That looks right to me.

vapid dune May 28, 2020, 8:15 PM

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oh wow the new rpi has 8GB ram

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and then they'll be releasing a 64-bit os https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-4-8gb-tested

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 8:22 PM

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@clear igloo YEET

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Modem -> Switch -> USG -> Switch -> Clients

clear igloo May 28, 2020, 8:24 PM

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y u no Modem -> Switch -> Clients -> Switch -> USG 😄

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 8:24 PM

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lol

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imagine if spectrum gave you multiple IPs

clear igloo May 28, 2020, 8:25 PM

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I mean you can if you pay 😛

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 8:26 PM

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lmao

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https://blob.pcmr.rocks/POjoneg6ys.png

ruby ravine May 28, 2020, 8:28 PM

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load balancing much?

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 8:29 PM

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I only have a single WAN connection

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the Spectrum Gateway is the CMTS or whatever from Spectrum lol

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the MAC OUI is Cadant

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iirc, Arris acquired Cadant

ruby ravine May 28, 2020, 8:31 PM

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still. You had above 1gbit. Don't often see that for WANs apart from data centers :p

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Internally

clear igloo May 28, 2020, 8:31 PM

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He did a local speedtest on the LAN

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 8:31 PM

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I have 10 gig on my switch

ruby ravine May 28, 2020, 8:31 PM

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ahh ok

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 8:31 PM

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and 10 gig on server and desktop

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I NEED MORE 10 gig ports though

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Using all of my 10 gig ports 😦

ruby ravine May 28, 2020, 8:32 PM

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well you have two more unless those are not sfp+

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 8:32 PM

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SFP

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my server has one more 10 gig

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and if I get the UXG-Pro whenever it comes out, that thing has SFP+

ruby ravine May 28, 2020, 8:32 PM

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haha I guess you could somehow bond them to 2gbit at least :p

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 8:33 PM

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smh

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0747TC9DB/

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I was thinking about this

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But I want to stay in UniFi ecosystem lol

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So my VLANs and port profiles carry over

ruby ravine May 28, 2020, 8:34 PM

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well you have the 16xg

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https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-US-16-XG-16-Port-Aggregation/dp/B01N5QOK0K/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=unifi+16+xg&qid=1590698086&sr=8-1

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Yeah

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It's like $200 more lol

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Waiting to see if Ubiquiti releases something new

ruby ravine May 28, 2020, 8:35 PM

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yeah. 'tis why I went for 8 port and 4port mikrotik

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 8:35 PM

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Since that's sold out on their store

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and has been for a week or so idk

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and listed under the "Other" section

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aka, not gen 2, not pro, not latest lol

ruby ravine May 28, 2020, 8:36 PM

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well you and get the edge one... but it uses UNMS instead of the unifi stuff

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not sure if they are the same

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 8:36 PM

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yeah, and I hate UNMS

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lol

ruby ravine May 28, 2020, 8:36 PM

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fair enough :p

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 8:48 PM

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@clear igloo can you tracert with your Spectrum WAN

clear igloo May 28, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Yah

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Can you IPv4 tracert to google.com

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@clear igloo I would fucking laugh if I can get multiple IPs from Spectrum

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What subnet size is your Spectrum connection

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Some are reporting they have a /19, I'm in a /24

clear igloo May 28, 2020, 8:59 PM

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/21

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Hmm

hollow marlin May 28, 2020, 9:03 PM

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@rocky badge the glory of port isolation

steady creek May 28, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Is there a preferred way to do a LAN speed test?

rocky badge May 28, 2020, 9:20 PM

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iperf3

steady creek May 28, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Thanks

little schooner May 28, 2020, 11:11 PM

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@hollow marlin tried a udp iperf and it just isn't starting

hollow marlin May 28, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Did you open up your firewall 😋

little schooner May 28, 2020, 11:13 PM

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I will check

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@hollow marlin both ways or one way?

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Just open it for server side right

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this is the client cmd .\iperf3.exe -c 10.0.100.100 -u -b 1000m

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and the server cmd is .\iperf3.exe -s

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Yeah firewall checks out fine

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I can try disabling it completely

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Lol that worked

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Now I see the speed tests

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Dang

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I'm losing CRAZY amounts of datagrams

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What's a normal amount?

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It says 40% lost

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@hollow marlin

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hollow marlin May 28, 2020, 11:20 PM

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You will get a ton of loss with iperf and udp. But you should still be getting a gig. Those are definitely indicating an issue with the cable

little schooner May 28, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Dang it

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I'm guessing I have to trace it by starting at the very first switch

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Or something

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Actually that test was from my workstation in my room, and it's directly connected to the switch that this server is on

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Ahhhhhh work to do lol

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@hollow marlin but what does yours look like

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it changed to this now

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well....

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Im a victim of that

hollow marlin May 28, 2020, 11:48 PM

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@little schooner Just tried it and got between 0.3-10% loss

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Forgot to tell you add the buffer

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Client - -c 10.150.0.x -p 5003 -l 8k -u -b 1G

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Server - -s -p 5003

little schooner May 28, 2020, 11:55 PM

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alright I'll try that

little schooner May 29, 2020, 2:59 AM

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@hollow marlin

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thorny vector May 29, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Jesus

little schooner May 29, 2020, 3:39 AM

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I can try another cable but I think all I have are fakes then lol

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The spares are all cat 7

high sundial May 29, 2020, 7:35 AM

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my school needs help with going 10gigabit. but the IT guy and I dont know what type of network switches we should get. what is a good network switch. (for the server room as a file transfer system. not internet) we are looking at a cheap kind of switch that is capable of 10 gigabit networking. we already have CAT7 throughout the school. but we are unsure of what the best 10 gigabit network switch is. (about half the school computers has 10 gigabit capable network cards in them lol)

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we dont feel like upgrading the networking cables btw

hollow marlin May 29, 2020, 12:39 PM

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@high sundial Highly doubt it's Cat7 but 6a. There needs to be more info such as budget or how many PC's need 10gig. Something sounds strange that a school would have spent the money on 10gig nics for half the PC's as schools tends to cheap out and that's not cheap.

high sundial May 29, 2020, 12:50 PM

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my school aint cheaping out this time

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they are going big

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go big or go home

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and we had cat7 put into the school last year

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and we are still uprading

little schooner May 29, 2020, 1:00 PM

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@hollow marlin I am still getting some huge losses

hollow marlin May 29, 2020, 1:00 PM

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Well how many ports are going to be needed? That will be how expensive this will be. But you said they are cheaping out but asked for cheap 10gig switches

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@little schooner can you maintain decent speeds in iperf with TCP at least?

little schooner May 29, 2020, 1:02 PM

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I can check that next.

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I need to get out of bed first heh

little schooner May 29, 2020, 2:29 PM

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@hollow marlin

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looks like it doesnt

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from the server

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from my client PC

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hollow marlin May 29, 2020, 2:33 PM

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@little schooner Try with the -P 4 flag

little schooner May 29, 2020, 2:33 PM

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on the server?

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or client

hollow marlin May 29, 2020, 2:33 PM

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Client side

radiant shell May 29, 2020, 2:33 PM

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@high sundial if they are spending big money then it might be worth consulting an IT firm as there are lots of considerations that need to be taken in

little schooner May 29, 2020, 2:34 PM

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k @hollow marlin .\iperf3.exe -c 10.0.100.100 -p 5003 -l 8k -u -b 1G -P 4

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whoops

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without the -u

hollow marlin May 29, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Yes, no u!

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-b and -l can be removed too

little schooner May 29, 2020, 2:35 PM

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k

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k new command is: .\iperf3.exe -c 10.0.100.100 -p 5003 -P 4

hollow marlin May 29, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Oh and no -p...lol

little schooner May 29, 2020, 2:35 PM

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heh

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alright

hollow marlin May 29, 2020, 2:35 PM

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.\iperf3.exe -c 10.0.100.100 -P 4

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TCP isnt as fussy

little schooner May 29, 2020, 2:37 PM

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I got this now

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hollow marlin May 29, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Read the bottom SUM. 949/Mbps

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Looks good

little schooner May 29, 2020, 2:38 PM

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now do the same with UDP?

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oh wait, parallel streams wouldn't work with tcp

hollow marlin May 29, 2020, 2:40 PM

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UDP doesnt support parallel. thats what the -b was for to try to push that amount.

little schooner May 29, 2020, 2:40 PM

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i see

hollow marlin May 29, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Id say hold off on the UDP. Even on my end with some test it became erratic on windows.

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Was all over the place

little schooner May 29, 2020, 2:41 PM

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k

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yeah i wonder why its erratic on windows

hollow marlin May 29, 2020, 2:42 PM

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iperf3 changed some things that people hated. Like you need -P to throw extra streams at it because I think it was a kernel level change. Where in linux its not really needed

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Id imagine this is where the problems for UDP come also

little schooner May 29, 2020, 2:45 PM

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hmm makes sense

fervent brook May 29, 2020, 2:51 PM

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yay, my com port works

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i had the header plugged in backwards

little schooner May 29, 2020, 3:02 PM

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@hollow marlin I ran into this program while searching a few minutes ago

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https://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/NTttcp-Version-528-Now-f8b12769

TechNet NTttcp Utility: Profile and Measure Windows Networking Perf...

Used to profile and measure Windows networking performance, NTttcp is one of the primary tools Microsoft engineering teams leverage to validate network function and utility.

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I did a test run with the example command and I am getting like 990 mbps during a transfer

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Waiting for udp to finish

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Though I'm not actually at the pc now to check

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It's probably done

cedar igloo May 29, 2020, 3:29 PM

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if there's anyone who uses docker ucp, how can you deploy a service which uses port 443 without it clashing with the main ucp page?

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sorry, this could be considered a development question. not really sure where to put it

vapid dune May 29, 2020, 3:31 PM

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haven't used docker ucp before but in normal docker you can just change the port remapping

cedar igloo May 29, 2020, 3:40 PM

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well, ive now messed up my docker ucp install 😦 Changed ucp controller port to 8443 which isnt working now

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was trying to swap around ucp ports and proxy ports

flint niche May 29, 2020, 3:42 PM

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@here any Computer Science student?

vapid dune May 29, 2020, 4:22 PM

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I'm not a student. but did study CS

vapid dune May 29, 2020, 4:43 PM

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try google

nocturne harness May 29, 2020, 4:52 PM

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@here any Computer Science student?
@flint niche hm?

uncut spruce May 29, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Im into network and security

little schooner May 29, 2020, 5:16 PM

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My masters will be in security but I'm networking now

fervent brook May 29, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Armed or unarmed?

thorny vector May 29, 2020, 5:21 PM

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@little schooner eeew, that's too much school

cedar igloo May 29, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Is it possible to have a load balancer which receives port 443 and forwards port 8443? If so, any free suggestions for good software based solutions to run on linux?

thorny vector May 29, 2020, 5:25 PM

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@cedar igloo Don't need any special software, iptables will do that

nocturne harness May 29, 2020, 5:26 PM

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How complex of a solution do you want

cedar igloo May 29, 2020, 5:26 PM

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as basic as possible, but one that allows ha with something like keepalived

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*virtual ip

thorny vector May 29, 2020, 5:27 PM

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http traffic, right?

cedar igloo May 29, 2020, 5:27 PM

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https

nocturne harness May 29, 2020, 5:27 PM

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nginx probably would be sufficient

thorny vector May 29, 2020, 5:27 PM

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same difference. Just use nginx then, make a reverse proxy

cedar igloo May 29, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Im looking for something to do the "load balancing" part of this diagram (first group). receive https port 443 and forward https port 8443

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thorny vector May 29, 2020, 5:35 PM

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yes. Nginx

cedar igloo May 29, 2020, 5:35 PM

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is it easy to set up?

thorny vector May 29, 2020, 5:36 PM

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As long as you're comfortable setting up config files

cedar igloo May 29, 2020, 5:36 PM

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if there's youtube videos on it, i think ill manage then

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sorry, another question, can you change the https to http?

thorny vector May 29, 2020, 5:43 PM

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yeah

cedar igloo May 29, 2020, 5:43 PM

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im guessing the cert on the load balancer?

nocturne harness May 29, 2020, 5:43 PM

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https://www.loggly.com/blog/benchmarking-5-popular-load-balancers-nginx-haproxy-envoy-traefik-and-alb/

Log Analysis | Log Monitoring by Loggly

Guest Author

Benchmarking 5 Popular Load Balancers: Nginx, HAProxy, Envoy, Traef...

We will test five different popular load balancers, analyze their performance, and give you the tools to understand them.

thorny vector May 29, 2020, 5:44 PM

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yep, and upstream server is just http

nocturne harness May 29, 2020, 5:44 PM

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It's a benchmark, but they provide sample configs

little schooner May 29, 2020, 6:01 PM

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@thorny vector it will be free

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The business will pay for my school

thorny vector May 29, 2020, 6:02 PM

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yeah, but thats too much school for me.

little schooner May 29, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Oh. Yes it's a lot of school

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The bacholers was the worst one

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Lots of stuff they made me take in program study that didn't really have to be

vapid dune May 29, 2020, 6:15 PM

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What ever pays the big bucks

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For me a bachelor's is sufficient to land a good paying software job

south blade May 29, 2020, 6:16 PM

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What GeoIP blocking do you guys use? I keep seeing Switzerland IP addresses show up on my PC and it's making me uncomfortable...

nocturne harness May 29, 2020, 6:17 PM

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wat

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What do you mean?

south blade May 29, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Like looking at PFSense my PC is sending and receiving a lot from Switzerland IP addresses....

nocturne harness May 29, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Sending and receiving???

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hmm

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If you have proper firewall rules I wouldn't worry about it

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but if you're also sending a lot of data are you sure you're not using something that's hosted in switzerland?

vapid dune May 29, 2020, 6:19 PM

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lol wtf

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really though, if your firewall is good and your computers aren't infected

south blade May 29, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Not sure, trying to figure that out. Can Wireshark filter by IP address? Maybe I can identify what's sending it with that?

vapid dune May 29, 2020, 6:19 PM

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everything else is just things probing you and false positives

south blade May 29, 2020, 6:24 PM

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I got Top Spammers under pfBlocker's GeoIP blocked both ways, any other ones I should enable? >_>

vapid dune May 29, 2020, 6:31 PM

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what does that really do though?

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like ad blocking by IP?

south blade May 29, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Basically

south blade May 29, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Unexpected issue now that I've got a way to toggle VPN, I don't have static IP addresses! I want to assign IP addresses to devices on my network, but PFSense doesn't allow to assign to IPs in the range I set DHCP to hand out, 192.168.10.100 - 192.168.10.120, so my question: Will assigning IP addresses outside that range still show up as available devices like I see them now. ie, if my printer is on 192.168.10.112 but I want to assign it somewhere in 192.168.10.80 - 192.168.10.99, since it's DHCP assigning it, other devices will still see it?

thorny vector May 29, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Yeah, I'm assuming the printer is using some PnP protocol

nocturne harness May 29, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Yeah the range is just for what DHCP will hand out

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anything in the network block should be trivially addressable

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i.e. if you have 192.168.10.0/24, you should trivially be able to address anything from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.254

south blade May 29, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Hmmm, I don't know what I'm doing. LOL, I added a pool, which I thought would count as outside the DHCP Server's but again it's telling me I can't assign static mapping to addresses in DHCP Server pool.

thorny vector May 29, 2020, 6:57 PM

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i.e. if you have 192.168.10.0/24, you should trivially be able to address anything from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.254
@nocturne harness

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lol

nocturne harness May 29, 2020, 6:57 PM

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fuck

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😆

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y'all get what I'm saying

thorny vector May 29, 2020, 6:57 PM

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qwik maffs

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@south blade Pools are where leases are pulled from

nocturne harness May 29, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Yeah, the static addresses cannot be in a pool

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Imagine the server rolls a dice to pick from the pool

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what would it mean if that address it lands on is static?

thorny vector May 29, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Total network meltdown 😛

rocky badge May 29, 2020, 6:59 PM

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On my network, devices keep the same 4th octet even across VLANs, assuming they aren't in use already lol.
So my desktop is 10.0.x.223 across every VLAN, since I have multiple tagged lol

south blade May 29, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Ok, but I thought since it was an added pool it didn't count toward the main pool in DHCP server. So the second part of my guess on how this works is right? Since I'm assigning IP addresses with DHCP server, outside that pool set in DHCP server the other devices can still see them?

nocturne harness May 29, 2020, 7:04 PM

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devices do not use DHCP to discover each other

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they use DHCP to learn how to connect to the network

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host discovery is done through other protocols, like ARP

rocky badge May 29, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Who is a.c.b.d tell w.x.y.z

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a.b.c.d is at xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx

hollow marlin May 29, 2020, 7:10 PM

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@nocturne harness you can most definitely have a static in the pool. RFC defines the standard to ping the IP before and listen to a response before offering. Not absolute though

thorny vector May 29, 2020, 7:11 PM

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@hollow marlin I've worked on networks so slow that the ping didn't get back in time, and it got duplicate addresses

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Worst client ever

hollow marlin May 29, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Well then there are more problems that DHCP at that point

thorny vector May 29, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Oh yeah there were

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They were trying to serve a high i/o application internally over fast ethernet to start

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because upgrading would be too expensive /s

nocturne harness May 29, 2020, 7:17 PM

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@hollow marlin the DHCP server can check before offer, but it does not have to

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The RFC says that both the client and server should check

hollow marlin May 29, 2020, 7:17 PM

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And most servers do

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Outside consumer crap

south blade May 29, 2020, 7:19 PM

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@nocturne harness you can most definitely have a static in the pool. RFC defines the standard to ping the IP before and listen to a response before offering. Not absolute though
@hollow marlin PFSense doesn't allow it, according to Netgate, to avoid that very issue.

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stable iceBOT May 29, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Add the entire IP set you're looking to work with to the DHCP pool, but only DHCP assign from the subset you want, then assign the rest with static reservations.

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vapid dune May 29, 2020, 7:35 PM

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yay my nas board came in the mail

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ordered a Supermicro X9SCM-F with 1220

south blade May 29, 2020, 7:42 PM

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The bot is sentient?! >_>

hollow marlin May 29, 2020, 7:57 PM

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@south blade I mean it makes sense, point was it can be done on OSes without issues...mostly anyway

little schooner May 29, 2020, 8:25 PM

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@hollow marlin yeah like Cisco doesn't barf at the config if you make a reservation within a dhcp range pool

rocky badge May 29, 2020, 8:26 PM

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I hated DHCP with pfsense

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I didn't like a lot of things with pfsense lol

little schooner May 29, 2020, 8:31 PM

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@rocky badge it makes no pfsense that dhcp res doesn't work

rocky badge May 29, 2020, 8:32 PM

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😂

hollow marlin May 29, 2020, 8:32 PM

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@little schooner Major vendors don't bark back on configs much as there is always "that one case" where it's needed

thorny vector May 29, 2020, 9:45 PM

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DHCP is better coming from a windows DC ;)

vapid dune May 30, 2020, 2:53 AM

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I couldn't figure out the IPMI password with the mobo I bought .-.

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that was fun trying to figure out how to reset it

little schooner May 30, 2020, 2:54 AM

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@vapid dune admin admin no?

vapid dune May 30, 2020, 2:54 AM

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got it used so needed to factory reset it

little schooner May 30, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Ahhh

vapid dune May 30, 2020, 2:54 AM

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all good. needed to actually have a monitor to do so

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(and a bootable usb)

south blade May 30, 2020, 3:04 AM

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😖 I think someones been accessing my wifi camera

vapid dune May 30, 2020, 3:04 AM

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yikes

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hacked?

south blade May 30, 2020, 3:05 AM

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tcp 192.168.10.20:42742 -> 47.89.216.146:50920 ESTABLISHED:ESTABLISHED 3.537 K / 3.532 K 262 KiB / 200 KiB

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That IP shows up as from San Mateo, California

vapid dune May 30, 2020, 3:08 AM

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what kind of camera is it?

south blade May 30, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Cheap eBay camera...which I thought I blocked from accessing anything outside of LAN, but apparently I changed the IP address on it and forgot to update the floating rule!

thorny vector May 30, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Though shalt not expose iot devices to anything other than the local net

south blade May 30, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Hopefully I'm just seeing it's cloud function only or something, trying to figure that out now...

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Ah, hopefully false alarm in a way? I logged into their fishy cloud service app on my phone, off the WiFi, and while camera is exposed to the net, it seems to be that same IP address the data is getting sent to. So it's only them that have my nudes. 🙂

thorny vector May 30, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Zoneminder might be a good look for you

south blade May 30, 2020, 3:18 AM

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I tried, I couldn't even begin to figure out how to add my camera. Easier was that Pi one, but I got a faulty Pi Zero, so I gave up on that route as I was low on cash.

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MotionEye, couldn't remember the name.

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Actually I don't remember how I even managed to get ZoneMinder cause I think I was getting some error like the file wasn't available when I was putting it in the terminal, then I found another command/link, whatever you call it on Linux, and that managed to download it. But yeah, very difficult compared to these crappy programs I've tried and am using. :/