#networking | Linus Tech Tips | Page 189

raw timber May 6, 2020, 3:44 PM

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@thorny vector

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I told the. What's you say and they say you don't know anything about the game

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 3:47 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-gif-5094560

Tenor

raw timber May 6, 2020, 3:47 PM

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thorny vector May 6, 2020, 3:47 PM

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I'm just trying to see where its getting mangled

raw timber May 6, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Oh which is the router

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 3:53 PM

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What's the router hardware?

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I use pfsense, and I've never had those mangling issues

languid shale May 6, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Does anyone have experience with pihole

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 3:53 PM

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@languid shale yes

raw timber May 6, 2020, 3:53 PM

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A old desktop

languid shale May 6, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Is the default blocklist good enough do you think.

raw timber May 6, 2020, 3:54 PM

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thorny vector May 6, 2020, 3:54 PM

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yes

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expanding on the default is really only necessary if you're trying to drill down on specific domains, like a business blocking websites from employees

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the default advertisment CDN blocking is pretty solid

languid shale May 6, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Thanks, because some blocklist I was looking at were blocking all the Google sites like translate which I use on a daily basis.

raw timber May 6, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Is this correct

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 3:58 PM

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what did you have before?

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automatic?

raw timber May 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Yes

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https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/nat/static-port.html

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They say this is stupid

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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yes and no

raw timber May 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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,

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thorny vector May 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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it depends on the environment. For someone like me, who doesn't serve any weird and sets up everything manually, rewriting my source ports for regular traffic is great to prevent man in the middle attacks that rely on guessing protocols that change ports as they go along, or making it harder to follow individual hosts

raw timber May 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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They say it fake security

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Its not though?

raw timber May 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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They are foot down about it being stupid and say switch isp to a ipv6

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Or disabled it

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 4:09 PM

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If you can get ipv6, your isp might not serve it to you.

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And if they think its stupid, fine. It's staying enabled on my system as additional host obsfucation

raw timber May 6, 2020, 4:12 PM

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They say to switch to other isp Comcast

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Cool. Let me know when I can choose what ISP I want.

raw timber May 6, 2020, 4:13 PM

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issue is my dad say it the game and we not swithc foot donw

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he hate them and then have slow upload speed

raw timber May 6, 2020, 5:04 PM

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@thorny vector they say how do you expect udp to work with it it enable

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:05 PM

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I don't. I also don't serve UDP traffic.

craggy parcel May 6, 2020, 5:05 PM

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@raw timber Wonder if they know what they are talking about...

raw timber May 6, 2020, 5:05 PM

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They say the same about you

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The dev decided o UDP for a reason so you don't use it at all

craggy parcel May 6, 2020, 5:06 PM

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UDP makes a lot of sense for real time communications. But it should not matter if you are using IPv6 or IPv4. It's the same UDP packets.

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:07 PM

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I really don't understand why you would use UDP for game traffic.

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Obviously it works, but I don't like UDP when TCP works just as well.

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honestly, with how fast the internet is getting, there's less and less reasons to use udp over tcp

craggy parcel May 6, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Because it's faster, as you do not need to ack every packet, it also does not matter, if you miss a packet or two, and if they arrive out of order, the older packets are useless.

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:08 PM

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I get that, but that was also a lot more relevant when bandwidth was more limited

craggy parcel May 6, 2020, 5:08 PM

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I can not imagine why you would use TCP for game traffic. 😉

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Well, by not acking all packets, and not reassembling out of order packets, you can get lower latency.

raw timber May 6, 2020, 5:09 PM

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It is for people with slower connect

craggy parcel May 6, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Or people hunting every ms of latency they can. 😉

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:11 PM

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I know, I get it. I just stay away from it in my homelab, and at work, because I can't stand dropping my logs

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or data

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I normally don't use anything that can be ok with dropping stuff

craggy parcel May 6, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Well, if you have a voice conversation, it's usually more important, that latency is low, than every packet gets delivered. Usually you split the stream in 20ms packets, and a few gone missing, will not be heard. 😉

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:14 PM

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I should mess with it more

raw timber May 6, 2020, 5:15 PM

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I am stuck if I tell the dev they foot down blame the rotuei close it and

craggy parcel May 6, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Well, nat just plain sucks. I agree that IPv6 is the solution to nat problems, however, if a game or other application does not work with nat, it's to be considered a flaw in the software, unless the ISP blocks the traffic on purpose.

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:18 PM

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An ISP would neeeeeeever do that

craggy parcel May 6, 2020, 5:18 PM

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A decent ISP will not.. But not all ISPs are decent. 😉

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I've been decently happy with my new one. Except for my upload, a whopping 10MB/s

craggy parcel May 6, 2020, 5:22 PM

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MegaByte or MegaBit?

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Byte

craggy parcel May 6, 2020, 5:23 PM

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I'd say, that's a decent upload, unless the downstream is 1Gbit.

raw timber May 6, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Yeah that Comcast the one with ipv6 30 and 1 gig

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Vs Verizon 300/300

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:25 PM

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I just wish it was more symmetrical is all

craggy parcel May 6, 2020, 5:26 PM

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For cable the reason is limited overall bandwidth and a general need for more downstream than upstream. On fiber, in most cases it's just to be annoying. 😉

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:26 PM

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I serve a little https traffic, and host a CTF network for my old highschool's compsci club, and it just gets bogged down sometimes

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its docsis 3.1, so 🤷

rocky badge May 6, 2020, 5:27 PM

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@thorny vector CONSUMERS dont NEED UPLOAD -every isp ever

hollow marlin May 6, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Not just a cable thing, with fiber GPON is a hard 2.4/1gbps per PON. Upload is going to be cut. Different for AE

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:28 PM

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@rocky badge Right? I wish there was a plan in between consumer and business

rocky badge May 6, 2020, 5:28 PM

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DOCSIS ISPs can give more upload over DOCSIS

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It's just that they don't wanna

craggy parcel May 6, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Not just a cable thing, with fiber GPON is a hard 2.4/1gbps per PON. Upload is going to be cut. Different for AE
@hollow marlin But that's a choice made when the standard was developed. 😉

hollow marlin May 6, 2020, 5:29 PM

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You act like hardware limitations at the time were a choice

craggy parcel May 6, 2020, 5:29 PM

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@rocky badge Depends on how many TV and radio channels that has to be in the network as well. And also the size of each segment.

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:30 PM

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getting ISP's to change the reverse DNS entries too

rocky badge May 6, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Mine's actually a spectrum business thinkies

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@craggy parcel yea

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https://blob.pcmr.rocks/MountainousObeseBlob.png

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biz.spectrum.com vs whatever Spectrum residential's is

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But we're on Spectrum residential HaHaa

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And its not like its the only time it happens

craggy parcel May 6, 2020, 5:33 PM

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You act like hardware limitations at the time were a choice
@hollow marlin Hardware limitations when making a new standard? They were literally making the requirements, and decided to devote more bandwidth to downstream, than upstream. (Which kinda fits most consumer usage patterns.)

rocky badge May 6, 2020, 5:33 PM

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I got one biz IP on my pfSense WAN and one on my USG WAN

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Oh god. The buisness services my ISP offers at my address are literally the same, just more expensive

rocky badge May 6, 2020, 5:34 PM

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I can't wait until the summer tho

clear igloo May 6, 2020, 5:34 PM

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@rocky badge I just heard, fiber is banned

rocky badge May 6, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Dad said we'll get AT&T fiber

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@clear igloo blobdoubt

clear igloo May 6, 2020, 5:34 PM

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We banned fiber for all blobs

rocky badge May 6, 2020, 5:34 PM

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oof

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blobsad

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reeeeeeee the stupid $10/mo equipment fee tho https://blob.pcmr.rocks/PeacefulLumberingBlob.png

clear igloo May 6, 2020, 5:35 PM

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You can get Hughes Net Gen 5 though 😛

rocky badge May 6, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Do you still rent the gw?

clear igloo May 6, 2020, 5:35 PM

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I have the gateway, I don't pay a rental fee though

rocky badge May 6, 2020, 5:35 PM

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thinkies

clear igloo May 6, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Not sure why they are charging you the fee think

craggy parcel May 6, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Why add a fee for equipment, instead of just including it in the price? 😛

hollow marlin May 6, 2020, 5:36 PM

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@craggy parcel At the time GPON was developed the hardware was not there to be able to develop an SFP capable of pushing symetric 2.4/2.4.
The choices to move to asymetric was chosen long before for legitimate resons

rocky badge May 6, 2020, 5:36 PM

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I'm just gonna bypass it anyways...

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eap_proxy

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https://github.com/jaysoffian/eap_proxy

GitHub

jaysoffian/eap_proxy

Proxy EAP packets between interfaces on Linux devices such as the Ubiquiti Networks EdgeRouter™ and UniFi® Security Gateway. - jaysoffian/eap_proxy

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Proxy the AT&T GW EAP packets to the ONT to unlock the port

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because AT&T is a bitch

raw timber May 6, 2020, 5:38 PM

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What is funny Comcast have a faster upload but they want 300$ a month for it

rocky badge May 6, 2020, 5:38 PM

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the ONT uses 802.1X to auth to their network, then the GW uses 802.1X to auth to the ONT and their network

raw timber May 6, 2020, 5:38 PM

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And only in some areas it fiber direct to the home

rocky badge May 6, 2020, 5:46 PM

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@clear igloo I hate doing anything networking/server at school 😐

clear igloo May 6, 2020, 5:46 PM

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rip

rocky badge May 6, 2020, 5:47 PM

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I can't set static IPs or DHCP reservations

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oof so if it changes

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:49 PM

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I had comcast try to charge me a rental fee for the coax cable they sent me

rocky badge May 6, 2020, 5:49 PM

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for the cable?

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Yep. Had my own modem, but they sent me the cable anyways. and tried charging me for it, i think it was like 5$/month

rocky badge May 6, 2020, 5:50 PM

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omfg

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what

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Yup. Walked the cable back into a brick and mortar store, and told em to fix it

rocky badge May 6, 2020, 5:51 PM

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that's so stupid lmao

hollow marlin May 6, 2020, 5:53 PM

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I can defend 99% of what ISPs do but that is plain asinine

thorny vector May 6, 2020, 5:59 PM

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It was new to me. I had always seen peoples horror stories, but assumed it was mostly just upset fringe cases

hollow marlin May 6, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Alot of these fringe cases are also due to acqisitions and stupid billing quirks that followed from the previous company. If you ever saw behind the scenes you'd get sick on how a lot of this is handled

little schooner May 6, 2020, 10:05 PM

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@hollow marlin how is a cable Tester able to measure a cable with only one end plugged in?

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The signal reflects?

hollow marlin May 6, 2020, 10:15 PM

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@little schooner With fiber it measures the reflection from the light. With copper is like magic with resistance and induction

little schooner May 6, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Really cool

hollow marlin May 7, 2020, 2:22 AM

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It is neat. One day I'd like to get with our tester vendor's engineer to ask exactly how the copper test work outside my high level knowledge of it

little schooner May 7, 2020, 2:28 AM

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@hollow marlin yeah. I noticed that with my fluke Tester, it is always within 1ft margin of error

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Really high quality

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Now if I used the klein tools versions, it was telling me results that weren't even that consistent

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Sometimes 15ft, others 19ft

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And don't get me started about using the edgeswitch to determine cable length

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It's horribly wrong

hollow marlin May 7, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Fluke is on the border of overhyped and expensive but their stuff works very well.

little schooner May 7, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Yes very expensive

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I almost had a heart attack when my professor dropped the Tester

hollow marlin May 7, 2020, 2:32 AM

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We went with another vendor for out tech as its add remote access functionality. So our techs can be on site and if they can get a connection somehow we can view and operate the tester remotely. As well as all the bells and whistles

little schooner May 7, 2020, 2:32 AM

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@hollow marlin what vendor is that one

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Oh is it not in reach for consumers?

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In price

hollow marlin May 7, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Cant remember on the top of my head since I used them when they came in an are in the field since. I can grab it though.

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They are around ~$5k each

little schooner May 7, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Dang it

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Thats a lot more expensive

hollow marlin May 7, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Yeah they're pricy. If I remember they had a next step up that was about 3 times the size but also had a fiber splicer built in. It was like $30k though

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lol

lost charm May 7, 2020, 8:49 AM

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i think its a network problem so i posted here

lost charm May 7, 2020, 9:07 AM

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My laptop won't connect to the home wifi it just says cannot connect to network even though it worked two days ago. But I can connect to a hotspot or tether to the laptop but the home network is rejecting my laptop. Any ideas on what it is?

languid shale May 7, 2020, 9:16 AM

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Anyone know how to tell if an ISP router has a modem built in

hollow marlin May 7, 2020, 11:34 AM

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If it has a coax, fiber or DSL port/connector, it has a modem.

hollow marlin May 7, 2020, 11:54 AM

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@lost charm Updates over the past week with Win 10 has caused my coworkers similar issues. Best bet is to going into settings, forget the network, reboot and try reconnecting.

lost charm May 7, 2020, 12:39 PM

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Okay thanks I'll try that @hollow marlin

fervent brook May 7, 2020, 2:00 PM

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technically, all networking equipment that uses layer 1 has modems

abstract magnet May 7, 2020, 4:35 PM

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i am going to upgrade to gigabit internet and dont know which isp to choose. In my are there are to gigabit provider century link and sparklight. which one do i choose?

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century link has fiber and sparklight has copper

craggy parcel May 7, 2020, 5:08 PM

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@abstract magnet You pick the one, that has the upload speed you want. In some countries, the upload is only a small fraction of the download.

abstract magnet May 7, 2020, 5:08 PM

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i am in the U.S

craggy parcel May 7, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I'm not. So can't say what they provide, but I've heard about US ISP's the will give you a lot less bandwidth upstream, than downstream.

abstract magnet May 7, 2020, 5:12 PM

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yeah, ive heard that the customer service of century link is trash but gigabit is only 65 a month

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compared to sparklight which is 125 a month

jade hawk May 7, 2020, 6:50 PM

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is the tplink ax1500 good for wired network and wireless network and can it handle 10 -15 devices at atime

unique canyon May 8, 2020, 12:14 PM

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Hey is this a good place for network troubleshooting?

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 12:16 PM

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I'd say so

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@unique canyon what's up?

unique canyon May 8, 2020, 12:16 PM

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Hey so for some reason my desktop has been completely disconnecting from my internet connection... It is hard wired and has a wifi card in it as well. The wired connection shows that it is connected to my modem but isnt connected to the internet. When i switch over to the Wifi connection, the same thing happens. However my internet is working fine on other wifi connected devices. Any help would be appreciated
or any help on finding where i might be able to see what is going wrong
After about 5 mins it just comes back and is working fine again

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copypasta from tech-sup channel

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 12:17 PM

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My initial guess is that the wifi card and ethernet are "fighting" over who the connection is

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Have you tried disabling one, and using the other?

unique canyon May 8, 2020, 12:18 PM

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I have my wifi turned off when my ethernet connection is on because it will prioritise that otherwise

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 12:19 PM

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can you ping 8.8.8.8

unique canyon May 8, 2020, 12:19 PM

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in edge?

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 12:19 PM

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no, command line

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cmd.exe

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command is "ping 8.8.8.8"

unique canyon May 8, 2020, 12:20 PM

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sent 4 recived 0 lost 4

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i didnt something that might have been a mistake because now the ethernet isnt showing that its connected to my modem

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I did the network reset thing

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 12:21 PM

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reset the network on what?

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the modem?

unique canyon May 8, 2020, 12:21 PM

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under network status

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the last one

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Did you restart yet?

unique canyon May 8, 2020, 12:22 PM

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I turned it off and back on

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now its restarting propperly coz i was impatient

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😅

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ok well its back on now

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 12:24 PM

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pc, or connection

unique canyon May 8, 2020, 12:24 PM

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pc

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its back completely now

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everything is back to normal

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i pinged again

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and i got sent 4 recived 4 lost 0

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min 55ms max 55ms adv 55ms

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 12:25 PM

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👍

unique canyon May 8, 2020, 12:25 PM

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but like

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its came back 5 mins after last time this happened

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and that was like 3 days ago

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its done it like 4 times in the past 2ish weeks

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 12:26 PM

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what, dropped connection?

unique canyon May 8, 2020, 12:26 PM

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yes

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exactly what happened today

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 12:27 PM

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next time it happens, try in cmd

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ipconfig /renew

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it might be a dhcp problem

unique canyon May 8, 2020, 12:27 PM

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ok ill try that

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do you think that will fix it forever or only fix the problem while it happens?

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 12:29 PM

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I couldn't tell you for sure without more information

unique canyon May 8, 2020, 12:30 PM

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yeh ok i looked in event view and found this

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idk if that is from the LoL game that i was in the middle of while it cut off or not

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 12:31 PM

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no, that's unrelated, don't worry about it

unique canyon May 8, 2020, 12:32 PM

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In actual fact, as far as i remember this has only happened while i have been playing LOL

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idk if thats a coincidence or not

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Is there any chance it could be a power management thing?

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 12:33 PM

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highly unlikely

unique canyon May 8, 2020, 12:33 PM

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ok i didint think that it could

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did the event view info make any sense to you?

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Never really delt with network stuff before tbh 😅

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 12:36 PM

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That wasn't a network log, it was a application log. A windows application tried to make a log somewhere, but it failed. Not any real big issue

unique canyon May 8, 2020, 12:36 PM

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ok o k

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Anywhere i would be able to look to find anything?

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also thanks for the help\

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Another thing is that some of my chrome tabs take forever to load even tho my speed is fine and the site will be working fine another time (its definitely not the site)

muted timber May 8, 2020, 1:33 PM

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Hey guys, would something like the NanoHD be the cheapest mesh APs for AC Wave 2 160MHz or is there anything cheaper from Aruba/TP-Link or someone else? Just need two APs for this deployment and pretty much all the machines have 160MHz AC cards in them already

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 2:19 PM

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@muted timber What kind of traffic are you going to be serving? It aught to be fine

muted timber May 8, 2020, 2:21 PM

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mostly file sharing and a 500mbit internet connection

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have a NAS and often shuttle a lot of files to and from it

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 2:21 PM

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Yeah, that's fine. I'm assuming wired just doesn't fit as a solution for you

muted timber May 8, 2020, 2:22 PM

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Well I'll be ethernetting most of the network, servers, desktops etc, so the wifi would be mostly for mobile devices like laptops

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at the moment the 80mhz network bottlenecks at about 450mbit, but all the devices support 2x2 160mhz AC

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and there's clear enough channels in the area

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from what I gather you can get around 800mbps off VHT160 AC

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does seem a bit of a niche as far as spec sheets go

maiden sundial May 8, 2020, 2:29 PM

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So im about to move into my new place the person who lived there befor has run a decent amount of network cabel thought the house sadly its almost completely buried in the walls with no identification what he has run, whats the best and easiest way to find that out?

dire flare May 8, 2020, 2:33 PM

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Just check how much data you can run through them; in the end type is somewhat irrelevant if it's a shoddy job

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I have installed some hardware today at a new DC

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:11 PM

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EPYC PowerEdges? 👀

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 7:11 PM

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indeed! =D

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Good eyes! ;)

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and an Unity 880F

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Yeah, the R6525 ends in a 5, so it's AMD 😛

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 7:12 PM

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yep =D

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Is that a SuperServer?

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 7:13 PM

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in the middle pic?

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Well not superserver, but whatever Supermicro's lineup of short depth servers

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Yea

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 7:13 PM

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yeep

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our perforce proxy

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:13 PM

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noice

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faces on things

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:15 PM

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He's shocked!

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 7:15 PM

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haha :D

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:16 PM

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is that an isilon

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 7:17 PM

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correct

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for our artists to work off from

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:18 PM

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RIP, just got word we are out of power in one of the rows in the lab.

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 7:19 PM

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ajaj

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good it's the lab tho?

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Yah, just sucks that we have to shuffle stuff around to free up some of the power if we need to add more gear into that row

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 7:19 PM

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aaah, you have that due to overload?

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:20 PM

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3 rails with 180amps each, lol

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They limit us to 200 amps per rail so no overload yet but the alarms will go off if we go any higher

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 7:20 PM

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i guess thats US amps? :D

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I think so

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 7:20 PM

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else that's some serious power :D

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:21 PM

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220v rails I think, not 100% on that though

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:21 PM

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@jaunty talon ooh nice

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 7:21 PM

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@rocky badge yeah they're really happy

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:21 PM

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@clear igloo I finally labeled stuff <_<

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 7:21 PM

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we replaced on older Ceph setup with Isilon

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:21 PM

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@rocky badge lol, always label 😛

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 7:21 PM

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100% worth the investment

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:21 PM

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https://blob.pcmr.rocks/GhostwhiteMaleBlob.png

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Nice!

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:22 PM

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I wanna fill up this 48 port switch...

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https://blob.pcmr.rocks/LawngreenExtrasmallBlob.png

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@jaunty talon haha I bet 😄

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:23 PM

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Buy all the stuff, plug up all the ports!

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:24 PM

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I ran out of 10 Gig ports <_<

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:25 PM

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rip

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:26 PM

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I need a shorter fiber cable as well <_<

📎 20200507_164508.jpg

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1m is too long

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0.2m is better 😂

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Haha, smallest I know of is 0.5m

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:27 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z5B1YHP/

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:27 PM

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oh nice!

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:27 PM

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That's the only one I can really find

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without ordering from fs.com

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:27 PM

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$40!!!

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Yeah

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📎 unknown.png

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I just need to do this

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Go with 0.3 meter and the price drops to $13

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:28 PM

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yeah ...

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😂

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:34 PM

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ugh, I want the 0.2m cables but I'm not spending $40 each for them

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:34 PM

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yea

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Just ordered some of the 0.3m ones 😛

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:46 PM

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lol nice

thorny vector May 8, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Sigh... With fiber getting bigger, soon the days of telling the junior guys to go make some CAT will be gone...

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:54 PM

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@clear igloo yikes school VPN

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not compressed, encrypted, and all traffic is routed through it

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:55 PM

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mega oof

waxen scroll May 8, 2020, 7:55 PM

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thats fine, the govt is paying for most or all of their pipe

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:55 PM

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the login is vpn and a 8 char password

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shared

clear igloo May 8, 2020, 7:55 PM

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XD

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:55 PM

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@waxen scroll it's only a 4 gig pipe

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for 8000 students

waxen scroll May 8, 2020, 7:55 PM

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4 gig can be $$$$ depending on where it is

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🥰

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:56 PM

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4Gbps/4Gbps WAN burstable to 5Gbps, $150,000.00/year
1Gbps/1Gbps metro Ethernet HS to freshman campus, $18,000.00/year
10Gbps/10Gbps metro Ethernet HS to 14 sites, $630,000.00/year

waxen scroll May 8, 2020, 7:56 PM

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14 sites? why not MPLS

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 7:56 PM

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High school is the main ingress

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idk lol

waxen scroll May 8, 2020, 7:57 PM

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i suppose if the HS hosts * and the schools dont need to talk to eachother much.... eh

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 8:26 PM

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The high school has the primary dc, nac, ContentKeeper, etc

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At every school there's a rodc, intercom controller, file server, print server, and such

cedar igloo May 8, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Just enabled DHCP in a home lab network. How can i make existing windows machines use dhcp? assign ip automatically is enabled but it isnt being assigned an ip

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it turns out, there is a save button for a reason... 🤦‍♂️

waxen scroll May 8, 2020, 10:21 PM

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OOF

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 10:22 PM

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@rocky badge where in the world is that?

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US?

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Yeah

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 10:22 PM

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US sucks so badly!

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 10:23 PM

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SMH

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 10:23 PM

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for 630K USD i get 2x 100G's with 100G commit in Sweden

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 10:23 PM

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This is after E-Rate discounts...

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 10:24 PM

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:(

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 10:24 PM

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Fiber is provided by Spectrum Enterprise

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64 strands to the high school

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 10:24 PM

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How much for that?

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Or is thta included?

rocky badge May 8, 2020, 10:24 PM

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It's included

jaunty talon May 8, 2020, 10:24 PM

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okok

keen ermine May 8, 2020, 10:53 PM

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Anyone set up a FreeNAS system before? I'm having issues getting it to install

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Right now I am trying a normal FreeBSD install if it works via USB but so far anytime I plug in my FreeNAS bootable USB it locks up the BIOS on my old repurposed PC

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Ubuntu, Windows however do boot on it

turbid furnace May 8, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Yo

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Can someone help

keen ermine May 8, 2020, 11:14 PM

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so apparently my system in general hates FreeBSD

turbid furnace May 8, 2020, 11:14 PM

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So i have a router and it works perfectly but some of my devices lose internet connection

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It says connected(no internet)

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How do i fix this?

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Everytime it happens i have to restart my router and its kinda annoying

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My DHCP lease time was at 120

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Extended it to 48hours to see what happens

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@jaunty talon @rocky badge

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U had ranks (srry for tag)

keen ermine May 8, 2020, 11:40 PM

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funny. so after installing FreeNas on a different system as a external drive, it boots up

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nvm. it just kernel panics

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rip FreeNAS

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any alternatives? I am too poor for Unraid

topaz quarry May 8, 2020, 11:52 PM

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If your hardware is okay, FreeNAS will work fine

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what are you trying to install it on?

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@turbid furnace your question is far to broad. Your DHCP server is only one compoment. The DHCP server, DNS server(s), and the actual Routing part of yoru system work in tandem

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if any one of them goes down, your internet stops working. If you set a lease to be very long, then the computer(s) won't ask for for anyone lease

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and if your hardware is truly non FreeBSD compliant, you can install OpenMediaVault on bare metal

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or install Proxmox and then run FreeNAS as a VM

little schooner May 9, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Is an Intel n4100 too slow for pfsense firewall?

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 4:29 AM

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@little schooner As long as you're not trying to server a stupid amount of traffic, yeah

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ram is important too, make sure you have enough for all your firewall states, and any plugins you add

little schooner May 9, 2020, 5:46 AM

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@thorny vector I was going to use it for my apartment. about 100mbps speed but gig local

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and probably put openvpn server and pfblocker

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4gb should do the trick is suppose?

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 5:49 AM

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I run a full gig pretty saturated with around 2 gb, with a pretty lengthy snort rule set. If you can, I'd play around with it. My routers are VM's, so I can do that easier than a hate metal machine.

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4 gb would for sure be good

little schooner May 9, 2020, 5:50 AM

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yeah i wanted to throw snort on there too

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i will receive it by next week and test

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 5:53 AM

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Be careful with your snort rule sets if you use the community ones, and block on alert. Some are super sensitive to relatively normal traffic

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 5:54 AM

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Snort

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I like that name for IPS/IDS 😂

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it's gonna snort your traffic

turbid furnace May 9, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Does increasing the lease time for DHCP mean that it will take longer for devices to automatically get another ip from my isp?

dire flare May 9, 2020, 9:23 AM

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@turbid furnace That's probably your local network DHCP, I don't think you've got any access to the DHCP lease timer of your ISP

turbid furnace May 9, 2020, 9:27 AM

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@dire flare i have 2 routers

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One in modem mode, one connected directly to the modem

dire flare May 9, 2020, 9:48 AM

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And you're setting your DHCP lease on which one?

dire flare May 9, 2020, 11:04 AM

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Can someone that knows their way around nftables @ me?
I have a question regarding postrouting chains, specifically in regards to default policy.
If I setup a masquerade chain through the nft utility it adds an accept policy by default. If I write it myself into the conf file I can however ommit the policy and it still runs. What's the default stance and significance of it?

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 12:18 PM

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@little schooner I use a J1900 with 8GB of ram for the same WAN speed, and about 10 1GbE networks internally. Works great

waxen scroll May 9, 2020, 1:07 PM

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@clear igloo its time to unsub from LTT

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ShortCircuit is my best friend now

clear igloo May 9, 2020, 1:07 PM

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lol

little schooner May 9, 2020, 1:21 PM

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@slow pivot refreshing to know since that's an even older cpu

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I didn't want Edgerouter this time for router

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 1:22 PM

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@little schooner Yup, as was said above, memory is far more "critical"

little schooner May 9, 2020, 1:22 PM

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Yeh

shadow bluff May 9, 2020, 2:03 PM

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Hi there im just getting into pfsense im still learning networking in school 😊 I have tested my setup on physical hardware it works fine so I virtualised it using hyper v (im using hyper v because my main server is windows server 2016) so I have 2 Physical NICS on the server one for PFSENSE WAN works fine no problem but then my second NIC is for pfsense Lan side that comes out of my server goes into my switch then my switch has all the vlans properly tagged etc the problem is that the default pfsense la works fine but I have multiple vlans on the port coming out of pfsense but the vlans wont communicate through the virtual switch on hyper v done some research didn’t find much a part from the fact that hyper v doesn’t support passthrough of physical hardware to the vm witch I probably need to have multiple vlans going through ?

Any Propositions would be great

Thanks

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 4:17 PM

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@shadow bluff Without looking at it, I'd guess an issue somewhere with trunking

shadow bluff May 9, 2020, 4:21 PM

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@thorny vector From what I have read online you can only have one vlan pass through the Virtual swtich
That seams stupid

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 4:24 PM

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I'd imagine microsoft did it that way so that any interaction with the physical nic wouldn't have any weirdness. If you really want to get more into virtualization, I'd recommend spinning up an ESXI box

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That supports vSwitches that do the more complex stuff you want

shadow bluff May 9, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Im sure that’s why. yes planning to move over to Esxi I can at least passthrough hardware directly to a vm @thorny vector

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 4:27 PM

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what server hardware?

shadow bluff May 9, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Physical network carts

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 4:33 PM

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No, I'm just making sure you're running a server that'll support all the passthrough you want

shadow bluff May 9, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Im using a standard Office Pc With Windows server 2016 with hyper V and 2 Gigabit NICS

little schooner May 9, 2020, 4:48 PM

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For pfsense, I used two virtual nics of the same physical nic

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And threw them into different vlans

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 5:10 PM

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@shadow bluff You might have issues with i/o passthrough, depending on the chipset that the motherboard is

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and make sure the processor supports it too

keen ermine May 9, 2020, 5:29 PM

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I mean everything else works and it has 8 GB RAM, it just that FreeBSD' OS apparently don't like being booted on USB via that repurposed PC

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and installing it externally causes a Kernel Panic if I replug it back to the main machine

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Ubuntu works fine, Windows same thing

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not sure why FreeBSD is making it go ded mode

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I am watching this Linus Video and apparently I could try Rockstor since my dad won't be paying 60 USD to Unraid just for me to store my crap into a Q6600 system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_B8AFvguqo&t=225s

YouTube

Linus Tech Tips

Reliable Data Storage on the Cheap!

Are expensive NAS units your only option to expand your storage reliably? I think not...

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raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:07 PM

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what can i use instead for drive set up like let me add more drive as need and have docker and vm and not proxmos i try it

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instead of unradi

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:08 PM

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@keen ermine now I am curious if my Q8200 system works with freenas

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@raw timber that expansion method of unraid is pretty unique in the “free” systems area

keen ermine May 9, 2020, 6:09 PM

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You can give it a shot and let me know if it works @slow pivot

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:09 PM

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i thout i saw some set it up with linus free or is that very hard

keen ermine May 9, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Though I am trying to look at Rockstor

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:10 PM

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@keen ermine ok will do that later today

keen ermine May 9, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Cause I flashed multiple USBs over and over and nada

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Could also be a Dell Issue but weird then how Dell hates BSD

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:11 PM

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I haven’t used rockstor before either

keen ermine May 9, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Wished Unraid was also free for personal use than paid

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Bsd uses a different partitioning system as well, might be something with that

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:13 PM

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how to tell if it is worth the price vs just use sofware raid

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with a 2 tb hard drive and 3 tb and and 500 gig

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Unraid? For a nas it is kinda derpy. I usually recommend freenas over unraid. My unraid setup I use for storing backups

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:14 PM

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i only have one sever for nas and for vm

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:15 PM

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So run a virtualization OS, and build a nas inside of it

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:15 PM

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^

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I run esx and a freenas vm in it

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:15 PM

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i done that not very good hard to add more space

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it is most of the sapce to nas not much to vm

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space

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Not really? Using what os? I use vmware products at work and home, and its easy to extend volumes

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:16 PM

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With any raid-ish system it will be hard to add space. Raid based systems are not designed to be expandable

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:17 PM

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sound lke unraid my only option

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Also, you don't have the disks for raid. They all need to be the same

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:17 PM

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i have lot of small vm

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too many to make eahc it own vm they are docker

keen ermine May 9, 2020, 6:18 PM

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So since FreeNAS can't boot baremetal on my system, I should try it in a VM with ESX? and is ESX like free non-commerically? @thorny vector

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Then they're not VM's, they're containers

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:18 PM

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@keen ermine yes esxi is free

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:18 PM

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@keen ermine I'd highly recommend that. There is a free license, as long as your not expecting all of their features

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:19 PM

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You still need a license, but you can get one free from vmware after registering on their website

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:19 PM

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yep containle

keen ermine May 9, 2020, 6:19 PM

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nah, I just want FreeNAS

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:20 PM

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it can run but not easy to add more drive

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i think i just stick with unraid unless some one can teach me how to set up a linus sever

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:20 PM

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linus server?

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:20 PM

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ubuntu server

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:20 PM

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@keen ermine here are the limitations for the esxi liscense

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No support
Free ESXi cannot be added to a vCenter Server
2 physical CPUs
Unlimited cores per CPU
Unlimited physical Memory
max. 8 vCPU per VM

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:20 PM

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with vm and docker on it

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Google, my dude. There are even excellent docker options for running a file server

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Pydio, a web browser and SMB file server, has a docker config. Same with nextcloud

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:22 PM

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why not un raid i jump all around

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:23 PM

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@raw timber if you go unraid, that 3tb drive is completely unavailable

keen ermine May 9, 2020, 6:23 PM

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I see

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Since you have to use your largest drive as the parity drive

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:23 PM

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i need somthink for back up

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https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/trying-to-decide-freenas-unraid-rockstor-proxmox-etc.25107/

ServeTheHome Forums

Trying to decide: FreeNAS, Unraid, Rockstor, Proxmox, etc.

I'm changing my home lab environment around a little and trying to get a bit more flexibility in my storage and hypervisor setup, and I would love some advice regarding which NAS operating system might be best for my environment.

Apologies in advance for the long post!

TLDR ...

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saw this

burnt cedar May 9, 2020, 6:25 PM

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you could use proxmox

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:26 PM

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@raw timber if you need backup then you need to answer this: how much would you pay to recover your data if you lost it all?

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:27 PM

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@burnt cedar i try it had lot of issue

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do any one do 2 vm one a nas vm and one a docker vm in exci

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:28 PM

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yes

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Sure, all the time

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:29 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/YwHikuI

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:29 PM

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do it work well

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how to get data off the uraid

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:30 PM

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How well it works depends on your hardware behind it

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:30 PM

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6500 cpu and 16 gig of ram

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:30 PM

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and to get the data off, just transfer it to another storage device. or straight pass through the harddrive to a VM

keen ermine May 9, 2020, 6:30 PM

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hmm

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ESXi on a Q6600...

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:31 PM

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even with what unraid do to data

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:31 PM

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It's virtualization. ESXI doesn't care what it looks like if its passed through

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:34 PM

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which esxi to get

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:35 PM

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What do you mean? Like which release?

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:35 PM

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yes

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:37 PM

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You're going to have to get vsphere 7.0, they just released it

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:39 PM

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why did people went with it vs unraid

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Because at its root its enterprise software

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:40 PM

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since linus like unraid so much

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:40 PM

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they have a whole suite of stuff behind it, that makes large scale management very easy

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:40 PM

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or is he only use it becaer he was paid by dev

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 6:40 PM

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I mean, he's featured on the front page of unraids site

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:40 PM

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He probably uses it because he's familiar with it, and it has everything he needs

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Unraid fits LMG’s requirement better than ESXi

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And better than FreeNAS which would require more work to get that same raw extendable storage they need for media archival

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Also, freenas has BSD behind it, which has very little support behind it

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Well TrueNAS is the commercial variant of freenas 😉

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:43 PM

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What about me

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:43 PM

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You're going to have to experiment to see what's best for you

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@slow pivot I thought they were rebranding all of their stuff truenas? is it just commercial?

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:45 PM

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Yeah it our main dns and unfi controller

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:45 PM

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@thorny vector just the commercial part; freenas is supposed to stay the same but be the free variant still

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 6:46 PM

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We've got FreeNAS in a vm at school right now

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I'd love to move it over to a Synology diskstation or rackstation

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Looks like they are unifying

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https://www.ixsystems.com/blog/freenas-truenas-unification/

little schooner May 9, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Synology or qnap is really nice

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I like both of em

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:47 PM

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This is itb

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:47 PM

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White box solutions for everything!!!

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 6:48 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20200509-144816_Chrome.jpg

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😉

little schooner May 9, 2020, 6:48 PM

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My server is too big. Its in a cooler master haf x case

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Once you go rack life, you never go back

little schooner May 9, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Not sure where I can fit the rack

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:49 PM

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I have mine in my living room

little schooner May 9, 2020, 6:49 PM

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My mom doesn't want me to take over a room for rack

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Huh, well fuck.

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 6:49 PM

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The sweet sweet sound of server fans spreads through the entire house

little schooner May 9, 2020, 6:50 PM

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The hikvision nvr has an annoying hum at night that I wish I could replace it with a noctua

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 6:50 PM

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My server is sitting on a table in the basement lol

little schooner May 9, 2020, 6:50 PM

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But the noctua ones aren't rated like the delta one is

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Delta fans last forever it seems

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Yeah my dad thinks rack are over kill for home and a few bad wordl he refused to let me buy one

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 6:51 PM

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The R620 is quiet thoooo

little schooner May 9, 2020, 6:51 PM

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They keep spinning fast and fast

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Foreverrrrr

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Delta PSUs and fans for me

little schooner May 9, 2020, 6:51 PM

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IDRAC or bmc is a must for server management

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 6:51 PM

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iDRAC yesss

little schooner May 9, 2020, 6:51 PM

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And the enterprise version too

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 6:51 PM

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📎 20200507_163446.jpg

little schooner May 9, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Because the other one doesn't support HTML5

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 6:52 PM

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10 gig, iDRAC, 4x Gigabit

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2 of the onboard is for ESXi management interface

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Do people think it funny

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 6:52 PM

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The other 2 is failover for the 10 gig interface

little schooner May 9, 2020, 6:52 PM

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@rocky badge very nice

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:52 PM

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This is our mess

little schooner May 9, 2020, 6:53 PM

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@raw timber I'm shaking

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 6:53 PM

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I tried to organize our mess

charred meadow May 9, 2020, 6:53 PM

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📎 20200425_190053.jpg

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Exci won't boot

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Part of the mess

raw timber May 9, 2020, 6:54 PM

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How to get exci to boot

little schooner May 9, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Look at this beauty

📎 20190617_213239.jpg

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Oof

keen ermine May 9, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Oof

little schooner May 9, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Gives me a chuckle everytime

keen ermine May 9, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Server mess

📎 20200509_135501.jpg

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If you call a Vostro a server lmao

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 6:56 PM

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📎 20191227_173725.jpg

keen ermine May 9, 2020, 6:56 PM

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also the one that won't boot BSD 😛

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 6:56 PM

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In my room

slow pivot May 9, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Don’t have a handy photo of my setup but yeah, you do what you have to for home labbing

little schooner May 9, 2020, 6:56 PM

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@rocky badge yeah I need to do that

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Cat6 and om3 sc

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Both 10 gig capable, but only the fiber is 10 gig

keen ermine May 9, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Wait I ran freenas before I think

charred meadow May 9, 2020, 6:58 PM

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I think my newest hardware is 9 years old.

keen ermine May 9, 2020, 6:59 PM

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but it was like Freenas 9 or somethin

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wish I can find a older BSD iso

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Idk what my newest hardware is, but it's probably my network

raw timber May 9, 2020, 7:00 PM

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How do I set up a install usbfor exci

rocky badge May 9, 2020, 7:00 PM

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The R620 is from 2012

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So besides PCs and laptops, that server is my newest non networking gear lol

raw timber May 9, 2020, 7:01 PM

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What about my question

clear igloo May 9, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Use rufus or something to burn the ISO to the USB

charred meadow May 9, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Servers 2011 and older. My switch might be 2013.

raw timber May 9, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Lol have to boot up a old laptop for it monitor on sever down stairs

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It a Intel Pentium p600 500gig hdd 4 gig if RAM laptop

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Which to pick@clear igloo

clear igloo May 9, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Yes

raw timber May 9, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Lol the fan ramp up at time

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Lol 56% cpu just copying file

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How to set up a docker vm on exci

keen ermine May 9, 2020, 7:35 PM

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WOAH

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So FreeNas works on this on 11.0

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 7:37 PM

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@raw timber you make a VM of whatever host os you feel most comfortable with, then install docker on it

raw timber May 9, 2020, 7:51 PM

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how long do it take to restrt

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Ugg

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What to do

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@thorny vector sorry to ping you I don't know what to do think if going back to unraid or set up deban sever

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 8:32 PM

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That's a hardware issue. Just set up a Debian server, install docker, and run what you want

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No fussing about with stuff

raw timber May 9, 2020, 8:34 PM

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why not unraid

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@thorny vector how do i set up debian sever

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 8:38 PM

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I just don't like unraid, it's closed source. And google how to. There are so many guides and tutorials for stuff.

raw timber May 9, 2020, 8:39 PM

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how do you configer your drive i cant do raid and want back up

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i have a 2 tb drive a a500 gig and a 3 tb drive

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 8:41 PM

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What do you mean?

raw timber May 9, 2020, 8:41 PM

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like for storage

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worst part is i only have one keby board and mice so each time i have to drage them to said sever

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and back

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 8:42 PM

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What? You just mount them, either with an fstab entry, or with a startup mount script

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Where are you dragging stuff?

raw timber May 9, 2020, 8:43 PM

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so you treat each as it own drive the kebord and montory from my main pc to sever to set it up

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i dont have another hdmi display

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 8:43 PM

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Just ssh into the server

raw timber May 9, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Can't I am reinstall os from unraid trials to Debi

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 8:46 PM

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A quick Google says you can

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https://wiki.unraid.net/Terminal_Access

raw timber May 9, 2020, 8:47 PM

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I am confused it is a full reinstall from blank

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Nevermind, thought you said you were still using unraid

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And sort of. Each drive gets mounted somewhere in the file system. Common practice is to put them under /mnt

raw timber May 9, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Install it now with just the boot SSD

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Just using base Debian?

thick minnow May 9, 2020, 8:56 PM

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I use Debian

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Base debian, or some branch of it?

thick minnow May 9, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Base i think

raw timber May 9, 2020, 9:01 PM

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How to format a drive from deban install

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 9:02 PM

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Using fdisk

raw timber May 9, 2020, 9:02 PM

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How to get to it

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 9:02 PM

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It's a base utility

raw timber May 9, 2020, 9:03 PM

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I mean I am at the Install

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 9:03 PM

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You don't

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You install, reboot, login as root, and setup the additional drives

raw timber May 9, 2020, 9:05 PM

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I can't get it to install on the drive

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 9:05 PM

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What does it say?

raw timber May 9, 2020, 9:07 PM

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I am trying a different drive

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Got this

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 9:19 PM

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You might need to run a boot and nuke on your drives

raw timber May 9, 2020, 9:19 PM

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How

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Google it

raw timber May 9, 2020, 9:20 PM

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I try and all o got was comand. Not found

thorny vector May 9, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Google dban

little schooner May 9, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Or if you have a windows setup iso handy, boot into that and use disk part.

Dban has the fewest steps

raw timber May 9, 2020, 9:24 PM

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That another image to install to udv drive u don't have

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Cant busy box do it

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A@little schooner that works it took seconds after boot

raw timber May 9, 2020, 10:46 PM

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How do I mount a unraid drive in debain to get data off it

robust belfry May 10, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Never get spectrum

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thick minnow May 10, 2020, 3:25 AM

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i have it. right before corona it was fine then it went to shit when all this happened.

fathom osprey May 10, 2020, 7:47 AM

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Yeah, I have 300(download) and 30(upload) and now I have 34/15

thick minnow May 10, 2020, 8:25 AM

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its gotten alittle better for me atleast, but its not the same

obsidian cobalt May 10, 2020, 9:47 AM

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i would like to host servers at home, should i make a good powerfull Pfsense router and use multiple interfaces (lan's) for guest network, server network, wifi devices etc?

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or place a pfsense router behind our own router?

raw timber May 10, 2020, 12:53 PM

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what cause this

slow pivot May 10, 2020, 1:10 PM

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likely that subnet does not exist on that server

raw timber May 10, 2020, 1:23 PM

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i am confuse it the subnet taht i am on right now

waxen scroll May 10, 2020, 2:31 PM

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i dont know what im talking about, but why would you assign it the same address as the gateway

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maybe thats it

slow pivot May 10, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Oh yeah, that is likely not right. If that docker is going to be running a router config, then you might have to not give it a default gateway. I have never run a router as a docker container

raw timber May 10, 2020, 3:51 PM

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I end up deciding it was too hard for me and to go back to unraid

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But now I have this part work and part don't

lean pollen May 10, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Is there a list on what the Firewall settings on the router/modem should be?

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(secure but also not block anything useful)

lean pollen May 10, 2020, 4:27 PM

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I mean this is the standard ones:

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Medium:

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High

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And there is custom

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If custom I want to know what to put it as

rocky badge May 10, 2020, 4:42 PM

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@clear igloo yeet https://blob.pcmr.rocks/InternalIdealBlob.png

clear igloo May 10, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Yeet!

rocky badge May 10, 2020, 4:43 PM

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https://blob.pcmr.rocks/WhirlwindDependentBlob.png

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and my ping isn't shit :D

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pinging host I'm iperfing with

dire flare May 10, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Could you fellas recommend some relatively lightweight software for drawing (very) simple network topology diagrams?
I'd usually just do it in Cisco Packet Tracer, but certain packages recently became unavailable for my Debian 10 system making the installation a bit too complicated for my tastes, thus I'd prefer an alternative.

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I don't need any simulation or whatnot, just a glorified vector graphics editor

clear igloo May 10, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Visio if you have that

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or Lucid chart or something perhaps

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 6:10 PM

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@dire flare I'd probably use GraphViz, using a Mac, Visio is not really an option, and graphviz kinda gets the job done, without spending a lot of time on in.

sullen oyster May 10, 2020, 6:10 PM

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@dire flare draw.io is good for networking diagrams

dire flare May 10, 2020, 6:15 PM

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@sullen oyster draw.io is gonna do perfect, thanks

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:08 PM

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is this a good place to ask for what network switch i should get?

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 9:09 PM

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If you want a lot of different answers, ask away. 😉 Also be sure to specify what you need, eg. managed/unmanaged, sfp/sfp+, 1/10/40/100gbit, how many ports of each type etc. If you want a usable answer.

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:10 PM

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quick question: what's a managed switch and what are the pros/cons

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like i think if i remember it's like a switch that requires another piece of hardware to control it

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10gbit would be nice for futureproofing but not required

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20-30 ports is fine, i would like 2-4 (Q)SFP+ ports

fresh copper May 10, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Managed switches are used for separating VLANs mainly. There are lots of other features like client isolation, DHCP spoofing protection, etc that different switches can have depending on the exact one. Some can even do a minimal amount of routing. Usually if you need those features then you will know and get a managed switch, otherwise you won't. They are usually more expensive, take more power, create more heat, and are often meant to be rack-mounted. Most switches that have SFP ports (or SFP+. QSFP, etc) are managed because if you are at the level of needing that speed then you probably need to manage VLANs as well.

Switches start to get a lot more complex once you get to the multiple thousands of dollars where there are controllers with modules and all kinds of other things depending on the need. There are also cloud switches and SDN switches if you are managing them over a whole organization.

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:17 PM

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so basically, i don't need a managed switch

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this is home networking

fresh copper May 10, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Depends what you are doing with it. Some people have really complicated home networks where they like to keep IOT off of their main VLAN for example. If you don't already know what a managed switch is, or at least what a VLAN is, then you probably don't need it

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:20 PM

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the things i put above were what i was looking for

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except actually 30 ports is outrageous for this application

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so like 20-25

raw timber May 10, 2020, 9:23 PM

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questin decide to go back to unraid how do you acess the docker foler on it say i dont ahve acess

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 9:29 PM

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@ebon temple If you are interested in networking, I'd say a cheap managed switch for your home network, would get you started, but if you just need to add a bunch of devices to the same flat network, and all devices will need to be on the same subnet (Or you don't care about isolating groups of devices) an unmanaged switch is most useful. Also if you have POE devices, POE would be a requirement for you, as powering POE devices over the network will always be preferred. ;)

As for models, I've used UniFi devices with good results, they are in a price range where most home users can play along. They do require a controller, that you can either setup on a raspberry pi, host outside your network (Complicates initial setup a little), or you can use the cloudkey option.

UniFi is so easy to use, at least for small networks, that you could probably train a monkey to manage it. 😉 If I don't remember wrong, their switches with SFP supports 10 Gbit on the SFP side.

Also ZyXel and Linksys has some cheap managed equipment, that most home users can buy, with SFP support.

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:29 PM

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I've thought of doing this pretty cool thing where you can wall-mount a Nest Hub and use PoE to power it

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this was in my cart 🤔

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fresh copper May 10, 2020, 9:32 PM

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If you want 10G, you have to think about if you want 10G in 8P8C (what most people call an Ethernet port) or as SFP+ (which is also ethernet but looks very different). SFP+ is a modular connector so you can put in many connections, there are multiple types of fiber, DAC cables, even SFP+ modules that just covert to 8P8C. Most "clients" like computers with 10G ethernet cards, NASs, etc use 10G 8P8C but fiber is most common between networking gear. So what you need is up to your configuration and what you are planning to connect to. Usually the 8P8C 10G switches have all of the ports being 10G whereas with SFP+, you can get ones where all the ports are SFP+ or ones where the SFP+ ports are only a few that are intended as uplink ports.

QSFP or quad SFP+ ports are basically one port that acts like four SFP+ ports, they are very large and can either be one 40G connection or be split into 4x1G connections depending on the configuration of the switch. If you wanted that, the cost is going to go up a lot. 10G already pushes up the cost quite a bit.

If you want SFP+, you are pretty much already going to be getting a managed switch, unmanaged switches are usually only the cheap ones you buy from an electronics store which usually does not have stuff like SFP of any kind.

Since you mentioned PoE, you can get a PoE switch, just make sure to note if you need passive or active and what voltage since they are not all inter-compatible.

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I'll echo @craggy parcel's suggestions of UniFi gear. I have some myself and I really like it. It's not too expensive and leaves you a lot of room to expand without too much configuration

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:35 PM

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https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-routing-switching/products/usw-pro-24-poe this one looks pretty interesting

Ubiquiti Inc.

UniFi Switch PRO 24 PoE

24-port switch with (16) 802.3at PoE+ ports, (8) 802.3bt PoE++ ports, and (2) 10 GB SFP+ ports. Powerful second-generation UniFi switching.

UniFi Switch Pro 24 PoE is a fully managed Layer 3 switch with (8) 802.3bt (PoE++) and (16) 802.3at (PoE+) Gigabit Ethernet ports. (2) ...

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although it's quite a lot of PoE

fresh copper May 10, 2020, 9:37 PM

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You don't have to use all of the ports as PoE ports. They just allow that as an option if you wanted to connect up a bunch of PoE cameras or wireless access points which is what Ubiquity expects you to do based on their product line (though can do whatever you want of course). That is a very nice switch

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:37 PM

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that's true

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i'll put it onto a "this looks interesting" list

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fresh copper May 10, 2020, 9:39 PM

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8 of the ports are PoE++ ports which can power their most crazy access points like the AP XG which is over $1000 (at least here in Canadaland) or the HD and SHD access points which are meant for a stadium full of people. It can still power less powerful things but it's cool that it can do that

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:40 PM

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https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-routing-switching/products/udm-pro this is confusing me as heck

Ubiquiti Inc.

UniFi Dream Machine Pro

All-in-one enterprise security gateway & network appliance for small to medium-sized businesses. The optimal experience for larger networks.

UniFi Dream Machine Pro (UDM-Pro) is an all-in-one enterprise network appliance. UDM-Pro integrates all current and upcoming UniFi cont...

fresh copper May 10, 2020, 9:40 PM

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That's a router rather than a switch

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:40 PM

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it says

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but everything on that page is like business oriented

fresh copper May 10, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Unfortunately your image is not loading for me but it is mainly business oriented

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:41 PM

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strange

raw timber May 10, 2020, 9:42 PM

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why not a home sever it is what i do

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:42 PM

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leme just copy the page

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UniFi Dream Machine (UDM) is the easiest way to introduce UniFi to homes and businesses. The UDM includes everything you need for a small-scale wired or Wi-Fi network.

fresh copper May 10, 2020, 9:43 PM

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You could use it for anything I guess. It's just super overpowered for a home. Maybe if you had a mansion and security cameras

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:44 PM

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also, we're using spectrum (🤢) and so they put our modem in like the worst spot for a switch (in our living room) and i'm a little confused on how you'd get the cable from the modem to the switch if it's in a more central location

raw timber May 10, 2020, 9:44 PM

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how it over kill you shuld see our pfsence rotuer

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router

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it have 4 gig of ram

fresh copper May 10, 2020, 9:45 PM

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The UniFi Dream Machine Pro also has 4G DDR4

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Not that you would need that in most cases

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 9:46 PM

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also, we're using spectrum (🤢) and so they put our modem in like the worst spot for a switch (in our living room) and i'm a little confused on how you'd get the cable from the modem to the switch if it's in a more central location
@ebon temple Well, like with every other cable. Just run a cable from the router to the switch. If the connection is CableTV network based, you can perhaps get away with extending the antenna cable from the router, and move it next to the switch. Depending on distance.

raw timber May 10, 2020, 9:46 PM

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it was what was a cheap enout computer for sale

fresh copper May 10, 2020, 9:46 PM

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But it can also act as a server in some limited ways like as a DVR for security cameras

raw timber May 10, 2020, 9:47 PM

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i look there was old one but did not have pcie slot for pfsence

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and cost less then a one of the pfsence roure prebuld we only pay like 90$ for it

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how do i deal with tis

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it on unraid sever need in to add mod to gaem

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gmae

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game

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:49 PM

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we have a coax cable going into the modem, we lose 911 if we move our modem around and spectrum will come and kill us.

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i think they wouldn't let us extend it

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spectrum took 2 months to have people come dig a cable

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and they put warnings all over their stuff (DO NOT MOVE)

raw timber May 10, 2020, 9:51 PM

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that dont make sence

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Well, I don't see how you could loose the ability to dial 911 if you move the modem. But I do see a possibility that the signal to the modem, is so weak, that it will only work if it's connected with the shortest possible cable. Also if you have VoIP from Spectrum (I live in Europe, don't know their offerings), you would need to run a phone cable to wherever the phone line is connected.

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:51 PM

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we have this thing called E911

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oh wait i think it's only the position

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so you'd have to tell them where you live

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i don't know anything

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Yeah, I know that, but it's not tied to anything but the physical address. It's just some extra data sent to the 911 dispatchers, for businesses it might include things like extension number, or internal physical location, but don't think that applies to residential connections. 😉

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:53 PM

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i feel half awake rn

fresh copper May 10, 2020, 9:53 PM

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There are other differences with a proper router over a server. Mainly hardware routing, hardware switching in some cases, usually more ports, built in SFP/SFP+ ports, depending on the brand available support, OOB, IDS, software that controls everything together and ti easy to use etc.. You can of course get all of those things in a custom built router but it's usually not done by businesses because they want the support and all of the equipment to be from the same brand.

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:54 PM

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currently our router is 3 google wifi points

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so, yeah.

raw timber May 10, 2020, 9:54 PM

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fresh copper May 10, 2020, 9:54 PM

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My parents had a similar situation of having the only place that they could put the modem be very inconvenient. They ended up having to run new ethernet cables which was a huge pain

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Also in Denmark where I live, every provider has to report the address of every phonenumber, to the authorities for emergency services (and police use) even hidden numbers. Also all 911 (Actually 112) calls here, will NOT respect requests to hide caller ID.

raw timber May 10, 2020, 9:54 PM

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waht to do about this

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:54 PM

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the main point only has 1 ethernet port

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all others have 2

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 9:55 PM

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@raw timber Image not loading for me.

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:55 PM

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they're also gigabit

raw timber May 10, 2020, 9:55 PM

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ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:56 PM

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our actual speeds are... bad for our area

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400d 20u

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 9:56 PM

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@ebon temple No problem having only one port for the modem, you just connect that port to a switch. Depending on the speed you have, the cable can run up to about 100 meters, higher speeds means shorter cables. But for cat6 I think you can get 1gbit at about 60 meters. Should be enough for most homes. 😉

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 9:57 PM

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like right across the street people are getting gigabit up and down

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cause they have fiber on their side

fresh copper May 10, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Isn't cat6 1G at 100m and 10G at 50m?

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I think cat5e is also 1G at 100m

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I wonder if Denmark does SHAKEN / STIR (basically caller ID verification so that spammers can't spoof caller ID, real problem where I live)

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 9:57 PM

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@raw timber You change the permissions? If you are trying to write, it could be the file is on a read-only filesystem. Also it could be cause by Windows Ransomware protection.

raw timber May 10, 2020, 9:58 PM

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how in unraid there end say i can write to the folder

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but say i cant

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 9:58 PM

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@fresh copper I have no idea. Last cable lengths I don't have to look up, was 100 Mbit for cat 5 at 100 meters. 😉

raw timber May 10, 2020, 9:59 PM

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yep i can make new folder but not change what there so confuing

fresh copper May 10, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Haha, I'm lucky that I bypassed the "fast ethernet" age

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 10:00 PM

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I ShOuLd Do PoWeR lInE

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Also most providers in Denmark, are obligated, by their interconnect agreements, to only pass trusted callerID's In most cases that means we trust every caller ID we receive through interconnect, and none from customers. (And funny enough I just happen to work at a VoIP provider. 😉 )

raw timber May 10, 2020, 10:00 PM

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so confuing now it work lol lol

fresh copper May 10, 2020, 10:01 PM

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Powerline is better than it used to be. I did power-line for my parents at one point but it did not work very well which is why they had to run new cables

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 10:02 PM

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@ebon temple Powerline will be a mixed success. I've heard as many success stories as failures.

fresh copper May 10, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Sounds like Denmark does have some version of SHAKEN / STIR then. There is a fight for caller id verification in Canada and the US right now but it's not going super well

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 10:02 PM

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our house would probably not work with it

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i flipped the breaker for our upstairs hallway to replace the smoke detector

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apparently it was also the smoke detector breaker

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Well, I think most providers around the world, works like that. Also if you have customers with their own PBX systems, they might need to send out caller ID's they don't own, eg. when forwarding or transferring calls, or routing them to cellphones.

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@ebon temple Most powerline adapters today work in the neutral line on the powerline, which should be common for all phases.

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 10:05 PM

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wouldn't powerline only work across one breaker?

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 10:06 PM

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If no transformers/coils are in the circuit, it should work across it. It might even work between houses, if the signal is strong enough.

ebon temple May 10, 2020, 10:06 PM

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interesting

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across houses though

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takes stealing your neighbor's wifi to a whole new level

fresh copper May 10, 2020, 10:07 PM

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The electrical wiring in my parents house is a mess, there are like 5 panels, nothing is labeled right, things are connected in weird ways. Because it was built when you didn't need to plug many things in so it kept getting more crazy as tech required more and more plugs. To be fair, the power-line did cross all of the panels but the signal was very weak

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Well, it's sending a signal through the cable, and everyone listening can detect the signal, if it's strong enough. But encryption is used today. 😉

fresh copper May 10, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Yea, most power-line has some sort of encryption so that you have to properly pair them up so people can't just plug in another one and steal your connection

craggy parcel May 10, 2020, 10:08 PM

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The neutral line is usually shared, and the one used for signaling. 😉

raw timber May 10, 2020, 10:14 PM

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yeah rember taht issue with a mp game it even hapen in differ comptuer

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computer

lean pollen May 11, 2020, 2:35 PM

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What is a good AP?

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or router that can be used as AP

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not too expensive

paper rampart May 11, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Unifi make pretty solid AP

thick minnow May 11, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Does someone know if SC to LC adapters are directional

waxen scroll May 11, 2020, 3:24 PM

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they arent from my experience

fresh copper May 11, 2020, 3:27 PM

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I love my Unifi AP. I’ve got the FlexHD which is just a different form-factor of the NanoHD that’s better for putting on shelves. All of them are good. Which one is the best for an individual person is a complex thing to decide as there is not really a best AP for all situations unless you are going to buy their top of the line AP that’s like $1000. I wrote a long thing about them on this channel ages ago which you could search for but it’s outdated at this point.

lean pollen May 11, 2020, 4:02 PM

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What things of the situation decides what to get then?

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It will just be in in a closet under the TV

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Whats the benefits of buying an AP rather than a router and putting it in AP mode?

clear igloo May 11, 2020, 4:12 PM

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usually they can handle more clients and you're not disabling features and, in some rare cases, able to disable to prevent double nat

lean pollen May 11, 2020, 4:18 PM

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If a router can be set in AP mode that turns the NAT in it off

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And there will be like max 10 things or something on it

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most of them not doing much at the time

clear igloo May 11, 2020, 4:39 PM

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True, it should, but sometimes the crappy models don't always do that so I say it just to be safe

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If you don't need tons of coverage then go with a router over a dedicated AP then

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Usually a dedicated AP has more powerful radios, not always

fervent brook May 11, 2020, 5:05 PM

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TIL: my dad put a 4 port switch between his modem and his router

lean pollen May 11, 2020, 5:06 PM

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The options are now really:

Go back to having my desktop and Printer on Wifi and put the router in AP mode in first floor, while my NAS is the only thing using the one ethernet cable that goes between first and second floor. (Worked fine when the ISP router was working without issues, other than the printer on wifi being little bit more pain sometimes)
Buy a small switch and put it second floor and move the router in first floor, might probably be better than what it is now.
Just buy a router/AP that is tested to be more powerful than AC1300GPlus but place it where it is right now.
Some combination mix of the three above. (If buying new one, I doubt I can sell the AC1300GPlus used and buy a small switch and have money from the sale left, so then its no point getting rid of it.)
Buy a new AP/router in AP mode, and place it in first floor with the same SSID and stuff as the one in second floor.

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(Info that needed for that, the current AP mode router is in second floor now, but bad coverage in the garden. Before the ISP one was first floor when it was working fine I think)
(I think the ISP router might have had little bit longer range, not sure)

little schooner May 11, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Does it really matter if my unifi Flex-HD is placed close to the floor?

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I'd need to get like a stand just for the thing

craggy parcel May 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Depends on the radiation pattern of the antenna...

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Seems like ubiquity actually has those available.. https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005212927-UniFi-UAP-Antenna-Radiation-Patterns#uapflexhd

Ubiquiti Networks Support and Help Center

UniFi - UAP Antenna Radiation Patterns

Overview

In this article users can compare the different antenna radiation patterns of a few of our UniFi Access Points. For an explanation on how to read antenna radiation patterns see our UniFi ...

little schooner May 11, 2020, 9:16 PM

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I'm not sure how to interpret if it's shooting the signals up and then back down or

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Whatever it's doing

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@craggy parcel seems to have great 5ghz coverage

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Looks like it's shooting up more

craggy parcel May 11, 2020, 9:20 PM

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I'm no expert either. But my understanding is that the elevation is looking at the antenna from that angel. Meaning with 0degrees, you're looking at the antenna from the side, in exactly the same height as the antenna. And at 90 degrees you're looking straight down at it. The Azimuth, and Mapped 3D plots, I won't even guess on. 😉

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But yeah, unless I'm completely mistaken, placing it on the floor, will be just fine.

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But placing it around the same height as the antennas in the devices you want to connect, would probably be better. 😉

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Hmm.. Seems I'm totally wrong, from what I can see by glancing over this https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/wireless/aironet-antennas-accessories/prod_white_paper0900aecd806a1a3e.html

little schooner May 11, 2020, 11:49 PM

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@waxen scroll so trying to troubleshoot this RDP problem, but the packets aren't identifying the issue for me.

waxen scroll May 11, 2020, 11:50 PM

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wat

little schooner May 11, 2020, 11:50 PM

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There's like a 15 sec gap each time I establish

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Before the gap, there's a tcp retransmission

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Idk how to troubleshoot it lol

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this

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It's so odd and the behavior is very consistent

craggy parcel May 12, 2020, 10:35 AM

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10.0.100.100 is the server, 10.0.100.13 is the client?

little schooner May 12, 2020, 1:31 PM

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@craggy parcel yes

craggy parcel May 12, 2020, 1:31 PM

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Anything in the event viewer on the server?

little schooner May 12, 2020, 1:32 PM

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What section of event viewer should I check, the admin events or a specific Microsoft one?

craggy parcel May 12, 2020, 1:33 PM

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I think there is a remote desktop section, but Application or security would be a good bet.. I'd probably just look around myself. 😉

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What windows versions are used? Just windows clients or servers?

little schooner May 12, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Server 2019 on server side and windows 10 1909 on client side

craggy parcel May 12, 2020, 1:34 PM

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With remote desktop services installed, or just for remote administration?

little schooner May 12, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Just for remote administration

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Rds role not installed

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I'll have to look with my PC. I'm on phone now lol

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It's hard to navigate

craggy parcel May 12, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Heh.. Yeah. remote desktop on a phone is possible, but close to useless. ;)

But perhaps check traffic on the server as well. Could be issues regarding slow authentication to the domain, or slow DNS lookup

little schooner May 12, 2020, 2:43 PM

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@craggy parcel alright. I had to step out for a few hours, so I'll check it when I'm back

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Yeah because it's been bothering me so much lately

craggy parcel May 12, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Have fun, whatever you need to do. 🙂

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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@clear igloo yeet redid network

clear igloo May 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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redo all the things? 😄

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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https://blob.pcmr.rocks/DemandingStrictBlob.png

clear igloo May 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Nice!

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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https://blob.pcmr.rocks/CircularHalfBlob.png

clear igloo May 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Needs MOAR!

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 4:01 PM

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https://blob.pcmr.rocks/ReflectingCyanBlob.png

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All VLANs are now sharing a direct connection to Pi Hole now

clear igloo May 12, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Very nice

vapid dune May 12, 2020, 4:18 PM

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is that pihole 5 @rocky badge ?

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Yea

vapid dune May 12, 2020, 4:19 PM

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oh nice

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I've been meaning to upgrade, but I haven't yet because I haven't sorted out my two requirements

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namely I want to use a list of lists, and I want to keep my two piholes in sync

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how is it so far?

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Good

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i've been using it since beta

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Also, why two pi holes

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@vapid dune

vapid dune May 12, 2020, 4:33 PM

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redundancy

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so I can take one of the pis down for maintenance or w/e @rocky badge

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Ah ok lol

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My pi hole is just in a VM

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and the second dns server is my domain controller

vapid dune May 12, 2020, 4:33 PM

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I mean if you send out both IPs then won't some devices bypass the pihole?

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 4:34 PM

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no

vapid dune May 12, 2020, 4:34 PM

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o.O in my experience I get traffic from my devices on both piholes

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 4:34 PM

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the domain controller forwards to the pihole

vapid dune May 12, 2020, 4:34 PM

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ohh I see

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I guess in that case you can just swap the ip on the domain controller if you ever need to take the pi down

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 4:35 PM

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I don't have to 😛

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Clients get pi hole + domain controller

vapid dune May 12, 2020, 4:35 PM

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ah lol

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Pi hole goes to cloudflared and domain controller for internal domains/ip ranges

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domain controller goes to pi hole and then goes to 1.1.1.1/1.0.0.1 if that fails

vapid dune May 12, 2020, 5:01 PM

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guess I may as well upgrade lol

little schooner May 12, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Yes the new pi hole is worth the upgrade

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Database everything

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But only if there were a way to do content filtering like ublock does. But nothing could be developed platform wide to enable this

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Standards would have to change

craggy parcel May 12, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Add a filtering proxy. But that requires quite a bit more power of the system, than just DNS filtering.

little schooner May 12, 2020, 5:33 PM

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@craggy parcel hmm I have a squid proxy running

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But it would block content and strip it?

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Stripping js is probably what I want it to do

craggy parcel May 12, 2020, 5:33 PM

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You can make it manipulate the HTML of the pages.

little schooner May 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Hmm...

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Where to start for that lol

craggy parcel May 12, 2020, 5:34 PM

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No idea. I just know it can do it. So can the proxy module of nginx, as far as I know.

little schooner May 12, 2020, 7:34 PM

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@craggy parcel I think schools should teach more troubleshooting skills

craggy parcel May 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Heh. Maybe.

vapid dune May 12, 2020, 7:47 PM

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the MITM aspect of it is hard to overcome

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well I mean unless you can insert a certificate in all your devices of course

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 7:52 PM

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That's why I didn't do it

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Because I can't install my root CA on every device

little schooner May 12, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Mitm was easy to overcome

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Problem is it wouldn't be free unless I used let's encrypt

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 8:25 PM

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you can't issue certs to domains you can't verify

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it would have to be your own root CA

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where you can issue to anything you'd like

little schooner May 12, 2020, 8:32 PM

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@rocky badge I would use the one that I could verify

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The cert was what I meant that couldn't be free

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It's either let's encrypt or paid ssl company

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They charge a lot

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Let's encrypt is annoying to renew

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Your saying a web server cert would still fail if it's for another website?

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I didn't test it that far.

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I did test with internal CA cert though

craggy parcel May 12, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Well. We use lets encrypt at work on multiple machines with centralized renewal and deployment. Works fine.

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 9:24 PM

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@little schooner the cert is only good for the CN and SANs

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You can't get a cert issued for google.com from anyone

little schooner May 12, 2020, 9:26 PM

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@craggy parcel does it have to work with a specific domain reseller? I didn't see a way to script it with namesilo

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Unless there is a misunderstanding on my part

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 9:26 PM

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I personally use CloudFlare as my nameserver

little schooner May 12, 2020, 9:26 PM

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@rocky badge uhh. I mean the cert used to intercept connections

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 9:26 PM

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And use cloudflare dns plugin for Lets encrypt

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Yes

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You can't

little schooner May 12, 2020, 9:26 PM

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The client trusting the intercept

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Really?

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Yes

little schooner May 12, 2020, 9:27 PM

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But for internal CAs it works?

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Yes

little schooner May 12, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Why is that

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Because you control the internal CA

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you can issue anyone you want to

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With a public cert, there's restrictions

little schooner May 12, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Ahh that's the gotcha there

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I knew it had to be something like that

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Because eventually I wanted to use it on an iPhone without having to manually install it

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But there goes those chances

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 9:28 PM

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And this is how TLS/SSL certs stay trusted

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Only select companies have root CAs on your machine

craggy parcel May 12, 2020, 9:29 PM

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@little schooner We setup our own infrastructure to handle renewal and distribution as we need the same certs on multiple servers.

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 9:29 PM

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DigiCert, Baltimore root, etc

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globalsign, etc

little schooner May 12, 2020, 9:29 PM

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Makes sense

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@craggy parcel and oh that's neat

rocky badge May 12, 2020, 9:29 PM

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They can issue sub CAs

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Which then can issue to actual entities

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entity being web server, person, server, etc

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For example, the DoD's PKI

craggy parcel May 12, 2020, 9:31 PM

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@little schooner Yeah. A couple of scripts for renewal on let's encrypt and a script to check updates end handle hooks to restart services on servers.

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Internal CAs are used a lot on windows domains and for ssl inspection in security equipment.

little schooner May 12, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Thanks for the explanation

cunning viper May 13, 2020, 11:18 AM

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Is the marked line is a spyware or something bad or it's normal? Thanks

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dire flare May 13, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Dumb question; I'm just connecting some stuff I've got laying around at home into a mock "lab".

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I would like to connect the area in the circle through openVPN with the ThinkPad on the far left

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Which machine in the circle would be most appropriate to install the openVPN server on?

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Within the scope of my understanding, it should function regardless where I place it, but is there a right and a wrong location here?

waxen scroll May 13, 2020, 3:29 PM

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the FW is easiest

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if you dont put it on the FW, depending on what you do, you may need static routes

dire flare May 13, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Right, say I host an SMB share on one of the hosts in the network (let's say the Acer) & I want to access it from the other end of the tunnel

cunning viper May 13, 2020, 5:38 PM

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it should be fine as long as the OpenVPN subnet you create on FW is reachable from 10.10.10.X range

abstract magnet May 13, 2020, 6:35 PM

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what do you plug a ethernet switch into modem or router

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modem right?

dire flare May 13, 2020, 7:04 PM

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@abstract magnet Generally your ISPs DHCP (or static IP if you pay extra) gives you one public IP, if you connected your modem to a switch it'd work, but only one device connected to the switch gets internet connectivity as you've only got the public IP assigned to it.
That's why you go Modem -> Router -> Switch -> Hosts
So your router performs network address translation and gets you a pool of local addresses for your multiple devices

abstract magnet May 13, 2020, 7:05 PM

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ok

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thanks

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@dire flare

ebon wasp May 13, 2020, 7:50 PM

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That's only for IPv4 and because its address exhaustion

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looking purely at the IP protocol, you could connect a switch to a modem

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Is even the best solution for some FttH solutions in the Netherlands if you don't want to use ISP provided router

rocky badge May 13, 2020, 7:55 PM

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@clear igloo YEEEE NVME

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Time to throw this in my server

clear igloo May 13, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Needs moar space @rocky badge

rocky badge May 13, 2020, 7:59 PM

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it's only 1TB

rocky badge May 13, 2020, 9:14 PM

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@clear igloo https://blob.pcmr.rocks/SarcasticAttentiveBlob.png

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ughhghghghgh

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it's so slow

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probably some config with freenas idfk

clear igloo May 13, 2020, 9:14 PM

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LOL

rocky badge May 13, 2020, 9:14 PM

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I have SMB multichannel

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with smb3

little schooner May 13, 2020, 9:25 PM

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@rocky badge I never got multichannel to work

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It was either that or my storage system was still too slow

rocky badge May 13, 2020, 9:26 PM

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I think I've narrowed it down to FreeNAS's NIC

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I can only get 4Gbps to it

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Yeah, on another VM I can get 10 Gigabit

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So it's something with FreeNAS

rocky badge May 13, 2020, 11:32 PM

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@little schooner https://blob.pcmr.rocks/LowSturdyBlob.png

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iSCSI performance...

little schooner May 13, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Now that's more like it

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Super fast

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@rocky badge freenas driver problem with nic?

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Or the nic itself

rocky badge May 13, 2020, 11:44 PM

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prob freenas + nic

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SMB perf is shit

little schooner May 13, 2020, 11:48 PM

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@rocky badge is iscsi really that fast in the real world?

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Like if it were over the internet

rocky badge May 13, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Idk

little schooner May 13, 2020, 11:48 PM

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I tried to tell my professor to embrace it more

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But he wants to use smb

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But it would go a long way to use iscsi with our esxi hosts

rocky badge May 13, 2020, 11:54 PM

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Ok

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I get this after I log in

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But after like a couple of minutes, it drops to 20MB/s

little schooner May 14, 2020, 12:45 AM

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@rocky badge yes very abnormal

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And how to troubleshoot it with Wireshark?