networking

[waxen scroll]

it costs money to have large routing tables. For example, many providers only allow 2000-5000 routes unless you pay more. It seems like a lot, but it adds up if you have to advertise every little thing

last place i worked had over 40,000

http://jodies.de/ipcalc

go there, type 10.0.0.0 , put 8 as netmask, put 10 as "move to"

it makes it easier to keep breaking down subnets

[oblique aurora]

i looked online at these calculator, but we do it with pen and paper(to think for ourselves)

[craggy parcel]

Good way to learn, not the way most people do it in the real world. 😉

[little schooner]

You learn it for the exam really

But if you remember the strategies it will be simple to do mentally

[craggy parcel]

Well, in most real world scenarios you have tools to help you, but it always helps a lot to know, how the tools actually work, especially if you happen to stumble upon a buggy one. 😉

[hollow marlin]

I agree with Xeon and practice with bit values and avoid tools. A few hours and you can do it in your head in a few seconds

[waxen scroll]

yeah, i dont do it in my head professionally

i go to that link i gave you and boom

[waxen scroll]

this actually reminds me of a funny time

@little schooner i worked at a company with a massive network and the datacenter had a major issue one morning

naturally the first question was OK, what can we reach?

try to go to sharepoint where all the diagrams are with the IPs and hostnames.... its down

queue going to the datacenter and plugging in serial lol

[craggy parcel]

@waxen scroll That's why we keep important documentation somewhere, where they are reachable without network access. 😉

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll it's very important not to forget the basic tech that is basically bulletproof in disaster situations

Also the whole virus thing brings into question how ill prepared the cloud is for the entire world

[severe wigeon]

ah yes

void

[bold karma]

Getting 13 usable outward facing static IPv4 IPs on Saturday. What’s going to be the easiest and best way to manage these IPs?

[craggy parcel]

Excel?

[bold karma]

I guess ultimately I need to know if I’ll be able to just plug any IP in as a default gateway for a router, or set it up as the ip for any server without any special hardware first in place.

[craggy parcel]

It all depends on how they are delivered.. If they are delivered at DHCP addresses supplied by your ISPs network to whatever device you connect, then no.

If they are supplied as a routed subnet, then it depends on what IP you give your router.

But 13 IP's seem like a strange number if it's a routed subnet.

[bold karma]

The actual count is 16 but only 13 usable

[craggy parcel]

Then it sounds like a routed subnet, a /28 to be exact. Usually only 2 IP's are subtracted, that is network and broadcast. If your ISP says only 13 are usable, then they have already used one for the router, and you should ask them which one (Usually the first of last in the range, but that's just a convenience rule, more than an actual requirement.

[bold karma]

Ok. Thanks.

[little schooner]

I use phpIPAM for managing addresses

[craggy parcel]

Also you would need to set a netmask that fits a /28 (255.255.255.240)

[little schooner]

Works really well

[craggy parcel]

But overkill for 16 ips. 😉

I managed what would be close to a /25 in excel once...

Then we got a /22, and started subnetting, and needed something more useful, now we're using nipap

[mellow heart]

Sorry about the noob question, but I have very little knowledge in networking.

I just got a new computer, but found that it can't seem to handle multiple downloads at once. For example, downloading a game in Steam and trying to play or watch twitch during that time makes for a bad experience. This isn't true when I use my laptop hardwired to the same router so I wonder if this is something that can be fixed. The laptop can handle everything without problems and automatically prioritizes twitch or a running game over downloads

[oblique aurora]

limit the download speed in steam

[mellow heart]

That's what I did for now, but I want this to be automatic like it is on the laptop @oblique aurora

[oblique aurora]

depending on specs...

[little schooner]

@mellow heart well what are the specs and your internet speed?

[oblique aurora]

twitch on full rez?

[mellow heart]

This shouldn't matter cause on the same router with the same connection this isn't an issue on the laptop (gaming laptop)

but I have 100/100

[little schooner]

Okay. Did you try updating the laptops wifi drivers? Any UEFI updates available for the laptop as well?

Start with that and if still problem, then maybe try using a new wifi card

[mellow heart]

The laptop is the one that works

I tried updating everything on the Desktop

The laptop is connected via ethernet (same cable and port) to the same router

[bold karma]

Is the the NIC in the desktop a 10/100 or is it a 10/100/1000?

[mellow heart]

Oh... Ummm idk

I have an x570 Aorus Elite

On the Amazon product page they state Intel Gigabit LAN

Did I make a mistake getting the none WIFI one?

[craggy parcel]

The laptop is the one that works
@mellow heart The laptop, probably being lower spec, might choose a lower stream quality, leaving more bandwidth for everything else. While the desktop machine, chooses higher quality, not leaving as much bandwidth for other downloads. It's also possible the disk in the laptop limits the download speeds, however, most laptops with SSD's less than a few years old should be able to keep up with a gigabit connection, without problems.

Did I make a mistake getting the none WIFI one?
@mellow heart Not choosing wifi can NEVER be considered a mistake, it's a wise choice. 😉

[mellow heart]

@craggy parcel - The laptop is fairly high-end as well. Intel i7 9750H & 2070 with an NVMe SSD while the desktop has a SATA SSD

This is also not the case most likely cause this problem is present when both computers are forcing the stream to 1080p 60fps

On the laptop is works great

On the desktop it chugs (unless I stop the download or artificially limit the download speed which is a solution, but I want it to figure things out automatically so I don't need to keep enable/disabling the download limiter

I'm like honestly going nuts worried I didn't get the WiFi version 😦

[craggy parcel]

I'm like honestly going nuts worried I didn't get the WiFi version 😦
@mellow heart What should WiFi change?

[mellow heart]

1. This is more of an irrational thing of why didn't I get this if I could
2. It would add Bluetooth to the computer which could be useful, and if I can do that now without adding additional dongles, why not?

[craggy parcel]

I can see why you'd want bluetooth, but not wifi. 😉

Anyway, the reason could be a lot of things. Best bet is to try to open the performance tab of taskmanager, while doing it, and see if anything is maxed out.

Also compare the results to the laptop, for a reference.

[mellow heart]

Will do

Thanks for the help

❤️

The performance tab isn't helping me

Cause I know what the issue is, windows isn't adjusting the download speed when I have other things (like games and streams) running at the same time

So what should I compare?

Like right now I'm downloading a game, and the Twitch stream keeps lagging

Instead of lowering the download speed slightly (automatically) it is downloading more than it should and the stream suffers

[craggy parcel]

Hmm.. Check the background download option in steam. Might be set differently?

[mellow heart]

I checked and the settings are the same

[craggy parcel]

Ok, then I'm out of ideas...

But I'm pretty sure, it's not windows that decides what traffic is important at what's not.

[stuck night]

Guys, I think a miracle has happened . I live in the middle of nowhere and when I was coming back home I saw some guys going away who just finished some work with an orange cable. They left it under my fence.

I WILL HAVE FIBER INTERNET. That will be an upgrade from “LTE” limited data plan

[waxen scroll]

sorry to burst your bubble

fiber internet is yellow

the orange stuff is for phone line over fiber

[hollow marlin]

No Telco I know of would waste fiber for only voice. You can get drop fiber in Orange which this looks like but it's typically black to not be such an eye sore.
It might be 12 strand drop fiber but without seeing an end it's hard to say. Never seen that type of shielding before

[craggy parcel]

the orange stuff is for phone line over fiber
@waxen scroll Probably depends on the company. Our fiber at work is orange.

[dire flare]

Orange coat is multi-mode, right?
That should still be perfectly fine for a last mile FTTH application

[craggy parcel]

I think that's the general rule for premade patch cables, but it's not like rules are never broken. I've seen lots and lots of orange fiber cables run outside, however, never seen a single yellow, even though telecoms usually use single mode.

[primal ice]

yeah all the underground fiber runs in washington state by verizon/frontier/northwest fiber are orange cables.

[stuck night]

@waxen scroll my neighbor who was in her house, told me that some guys were installing fiber optic internet cable for Poland's only-providing fiber service ISP. @dire flare you're most likely right. My house is at the end of one way street.

[hollow marlin]

@dire flare mm is not used in the field. It's has too short of a range.

[strange silo]

@hollow marlin To me it just looks like a reel of push rod for checking ducting is clear, looks very similar to ones I've used

[craggy parcel]

@dire flare mm is not used in the field. It's has too short of a range.
@hollow marlin 500 meters or so?

[hollow marlin]

It's around 300m. Also with PON your fiber run multiple miles to reach all the different customers. It's not reasonable to deploy. Plus CSFPs are only SM

You could manage with AE but as a standard we dropped MM altogether. It's not worth the trouble for pennies more for SM

[strange silo]

I don't see the point for MM in that kind of networking, the cost is so much lower on SM now and you can get SM optics that don't require attenuation at short distance

I've got 10 or so 10Gb 10km SM SFPs with maximum receive power high than maximum output power so I can use these in pairs perfectly safely, used to be one big reason you didn't use SM in short distance because it actually was a pain to do so

[half valley]

[little schooner]

I know that this pandemic will prevent me from getting that paid internship secured during the summer

but thats why we have plan B

[waxen scroll]

Xeon nooooooo

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll what else should I do, eat packets on my network?

I actually started taking some long walks since it started

boy does it ever feel so nice :)

[half valley]

@little schooner just be careful you don’t overwhelm yourself and eat UDP flavors, unless you’re good at balancing

[little schooner]

I didn't know how to react to this

[half valley]

ooops

[little schooner]

but good one though

[floral geyser]

can someone help me setup this Dell R710 server?

[little schooner]

@floral geyser what did you need to setup on it?

[floral geyser]

unraid mostly but its not detecting my wd reds

my brother bought it like a year ago, tried, failed, then just gave it back to me and told me to actually try so i am now

[little schooner]

@floral geyser ahh. You need to setup the Dell servers hard drive using the built in raid controller software during POST

If you want the drives to appear in unraid to partition

[floral geyser]

no idea what is up with it or what to do

He wants unraid setup on it

[little schooner]

Yes unraid will set it up in the end

[floral geyser]

ok so like

[little schooner]

But the way hard drives connect in dell server, you need to create virtual disks

First

[floral geyser]

teeacchhh mee

[little schooner]

Let me see if there is video

[floral geyser]

theres video out

i can boot into a unraid install media

but obv i dont want to go there

[little schooner]

No, it's something you have to do before you boot into unraid setup

Search dell raid configuration r710

In YouTube there bunch of results that should help

1st one even

[charred meadow]

https://www.netiq.com/documentation/platespin_forge_4/forge4-field-rebuild/data/b1b0xqcz.html

Here's an article explaining it.

[floral geyser]

the video out is also shifted over and is cutting off the far left of the screen

reallly annoying

[little schooner]

And after following that, you basically want to create all single raid 0 disks (to make them appear as single drives)

https://youtu.be/EPe0BOJDMcA @floral geyser

Doing that will then let you manage them with software raid in unraid

[floral geyser]

i cant even GET there

like what

[little schooner]

You have to reboot the server and during Post you watch the monitor for the prompt to press the key combination

[floral geyser]

can i fix this stupid image shift first though

[little schooner]

k

[floral geyser]

it blocks like the first 10 chars or something

"er login:" something or other

how TF do i change this resolution

@little schooner during boot i see "RAC6 Config" but there's no key combo i can see

so this video "tutorial" thingy.. yeah,

There's NO post message for a "PowerEdge Expandable RAID Controller BIOS"

Avago Tech MPT SAS2 BIOS??

[little schooner]

Sorry I had to step out

But I still need to step out again

Thr login should be like username: calvin password: root

I think....

Google helps here

[half valley]

there's a 6 (ok 10 but might not need all of them) part r710 tutorial

i found

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL28eVGz5vFQ9hUBeeg5bxj-s0IeitoGIb @little schooner @floral geyser

[raw timber]

https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/86brdj/my_isp_blocks_access_to_router_login_page/ wow some people are unlucy

our provdeir you can use yourown rout you just on the your own for suport with it of course

and be able to look at log in for wifi on the websit doint work

[thin estuary]

My little setup

[surreal finch]

nice setup

[dire flare]

clean

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo 😦 10/100 IoT

[clear igloo]

rip @rocky badge

[rocky badge]

https://blob.pcmr.rocks/66181eb🍟.png

[raw timber]

That big

Mine is one router a switch and a sever and switch upstairs with a access point

[waxen scroll]

2.4ghz IoT is just as bad

[little schooner]

@thin estuary neato

[thick minnow]

so my SMB share (digitalocean droplet) is accessable from every network ive tried except my home network, does anyone here know if theres something about Linksys routers that causes this?

[little schooner]

@thick minnow did you check it's firewall setting? Maybe it's blocking it. I know for an arris combo router, they have firewall profiles that block both inbound and outbound connections

In addition, some ISPs may have blocked specific ports because your not supposed to do smb over internet

There are exploits available for that and Microsoft recommends strongly against that

[jaunty talon]

Yeah, any decent ISP will block SMB over WAN. The correct way to do that is to setup site-to-site VPN between digitalocean and your home! :)

[thick minnow]

that what i was worried about, thanks guys

[hollow marlin]

We don't block certain traffic . Customer is paying for a connection and we have no say how they use it.

[thick minnow]

Can anyone help me out here?

Wifi jumps from 50 to 100 mbps to less than 0.10 mbps and even sometimes requires me to reboot my laptop and my phone continuously thinks there is no internet connection. WTF is going on?

even the rdp connection to my server is screwed up

[little schooner]

@hollow marlin Comcast blocks my internet when it thinks there's a botnet active

But I guess that's not the same as blocking a service

[thick minnow]

even switching my DNS to cloudflare doesn't do it justice. The bizare thing is that my wifi is coming up with all 5 bars so the connection is apparantly strong

[half valley]

yes but trying to solve wifi speed issues are a lot of variable interferences since it is basically jumping all around

how close are you to the router, do you have any thick walls if you are on the other side

what frequency are you connecting on

[thick minnow]

Router is underneath the stairs and i am upstairs in my room with a windows laptop

I need to use 5ghz since i often connect to a cloud gaming service, namely GeForce now but soon to move to Shadow Tech

[hollow marlin]

@little schooner yeah different than blocking a service altogether. We do have an IPS for attacks but will never block a service outright.

[thick minnow]

right now on 2.4GHz but that is unacceptable when it comes to using GeForce Now and soon to be Shadow Tech

[hollow marlin]

@thick minnow you should be checking if a particular device is actually using the bandwidth. Typically when people have to reboot all devices, one of them is the cause of the issue.

[thick minnow]

how do i check that?

My brothers computer is just sitting at the desktop

[little schooner]

@hollow marlin I had a classroom network problem in the lab I support and the cause of it was on one server having a failed storage space.

The server doesn't even host active directory but it was enough to cause login problems and slow internet. All of which didn't make sense

Shutting it off fixed the problem 100%

Until we had time to replace drive

[half valley]

oh wow

[thick minnow]

now connected to my phones mobile hotspot, if this is more stable I am getting that £25 plan with infinite data.

[half valley]

[thick minnow]

instantly getting about 20 down and 10 up. I might as well forget my AP at home and just use this.

[dire flare]

If only a physical copper transfer medium existed for connections that require reliability

Also in a corner under the stairs is just about the worst possible place to keep a WiFi AP

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin RIP you. IPS is the worst

ive had a few "its not the network" arguments with server people and it turns out an IPS was doing the needful and obviously in packet captures you cant tell

[hollow marlin]

@waxen scroll We scaled it back to only DDOS and reflection attacks. It was a nightmare getting it to not flag almost all traffic

[waxen scroll]

i never had access to the thing so it was always a last resort to check it

[hollow marlin]

Yeah we had to implement one as the last time we had two significantly reflection attacks 2 days apart which wrecked our network. Still flags false positives every now and then but not enough to become a problem

[bleak inlet]

anyone here using the Telus SFP module with pfsense?

[bleak inlet]

I just spent two and a half hours on the phone with Telus trying to sort out damn wifi issues with their crap-tier routers. They have no clue what's going on. Two different routers, speed tests get between 0.6 and 30 Mb/s down and random up, but on Ethernet I get 780/780 consistently

So I'm thinking pfsense with a wifi extender again

[fervent brook]

What does Telus do?

looks like an ISP

why would you buy networking equipment from an ISP?

[charred meadow]

They're a Canadian ISP and cell phone provider.

@bleak inlet What I have is my ISP's router in bridge mode going into my pfsense router. So no need for SFP.

[hollow marlin]

@bleak inlet so are your speeds with wireless the issue?

[vapid dune]

o.O get your own router/ap

I use telus fiber but with ERL and AP-AC-Pro

[waxen scroll]

i think the problem will persist 😉

someone do a wireless survey

[hearty steppe]

maybe someone can help me here. can i restrict traffic on 3 devices from seeing my network? I have three security cams and i want to make sure a "Bad actor" cant just plug in a laptop to my camera location and gain access to my network. Ideas? or should i just get a small business firewall like fortinet? I have a XR500 Nighthawk

[fervent brook]

find out what protocols the cameras need, block all others

[hearty steppe]

oh thats cleaver

[fervent brook]

in non-consumer scenarios, you would tell the switch to only accept connections from the mac address the camera has

[hearty steppe]

yeah i could easily do this with some of the equipment at work but im not so sure i can do it with this router

so i might be looking into an upgrade haha

[fervent brook]

how much time do you have? and how many other users do you have?

what about using DHCP reservation?

[hearty steppe]

This is my home network so its just me and a roommate

[fervent brook]

and limiting the number of available IP addresses in the pool

[hearty steppe]

oh i see limit the adding of new dhcp

i hate consumer routers ugh

if this was cisco or forti id have no issue doing this task 😦

[fervent brook]

https://i.imgur.com/AMHv6ME.png

[clear igloo]

@fervent brook Just a small correction but in most scenarios you wouldn't do sticky mac since that's easy to bypass in a lot of cases especially when you have a camera with the MAC likely printed on it, you would do 802.1x authentication instead and no MAB on the ports

[hearty steppe]

yeah you're gonna be strapped to do 802.1x in a consumer environment though

[clear igloo]

Oh most certainly

[hearty steppe]

i have 802.1x i configured at work using ruckus and a radius server + AD

im thinking at this point of just picking up a unifi switch and run a controller for it on my nas

that way i can restrict traffic but that doesnt help my garage situation

i have a network extender out there

[clear igloo]

True, in your situation not a real easy solution for that stuff 😦

aside limiting the DHCP pool or something perhaps as mentioned before

[hearty steppe]

yeah im going to have to plan a careful upgrade eventually

not that i am really worried about such an invasion here but

best to be prepared

[clear igloo]

Yup

[hearty steppe]

having a camera system in the first place is a big move so ill get there

ideally if i can burry a cat6 to my garage i'd be golden

add a managed switch

boom

[clear igloo]

yah

[hearty steppe]

thanks for the ideas peeps

[fervent brook]

has anyone ever made a low profile rj45 spec?

[mild turtle]

I appreciate this is going to be a stupid question but I still want to ask it.
Does any router or modem work with Ubiquiti Networks products?
Will I run into any problems? I already own a modem but have been looking at getting some WiFi solutions from them.

[waxen scroll]

no you wont

[fast gate]

I think this is the right place

I have a ipv6 /48 and I am announcing the same ip 5 Vultr servers (dallas, chicago, sydney and 2 in paris) in hopes to create an anycast network (I am aware that an entire /48 for 1 ip is a bit wasteful). Because my isp is fat and doesnt support ipv6, I am using cloudflare to proxy my connection so I cant actually see my test page.

The idea is that you get routed to the closest server to you, even if one goes down. If i manually kill paris2, you'd assume I would be routed to pairs1 but cloudflare spits a 521. Its almost like cloudflare locks onto a server and wont look for a new one if it goes down. The same goes if I kill any other server, cf wont route users to another server it just provides a 521

bgp config is the same on all 5 servers

router id *Instance ipv4*;

protocol bgp vultr
{
  local as myas;
  source address *Instance ipv6*;
  import all;
  export filter {
    if net = *my /48* then accept;
    reject;
  };
  graceful restart on;
  multihop 2;
  neighbor 2001:19f0:ffff::1 as 64515;
  password mypassword;
}

protocol static
{
  route *my /48* unreachable;
  route *a /64* via *Instance ipv6*;
}

protocol kernel {
  device routes;
  import none;
  scan time 15;
}

protocol direct
{
  interface "dummy*";
  import all;
}

protocol device
{
  scan time 5;
}```

the /128 for each server is announced through a dummy interface

the real question here:

is it cloudflare doing funny business or have I somehow missed an important step

I have had people test it in sydney, dallas, chicago and toronto and they all get routed to their nearest server, so that part works its just the redundant bit that has dipped

[waxen scroll]

cloudflare caches doesnt it?

[fast gate]

yes

however, enabling this does nothing

as does purging the cache

[waxen scroll]

have you tried keeping the route dead for a while and testing later?

propagation is usually slow

also if you're turning it on/off some devices damper BGP advertisements that flap

i had one provider blackhole for up to 5min

[fast gate]

wait this could be the fatal flaw

my test site is a simple static express site and i just ctrl+c to kill it

let me actually kill bird

still no joy

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll not sure I understand what these linux questions are trying to get at?

@craggy parcel what do you think about those questions?

[fast gate]

Chicago is the only server running, a page load test from Vancouver displays the site but I get given the usual 521

I have killed bird on all the others

[waxen scroll]

1. is a runlevel question

2. shutdown command message question

2c ... a phone call?

d. keep personal shit outside of the office

😄

[fast gate]

cf development mode is on
i have a page rule to bypass caching on literally everything

i love cf but i dont now

[waxen scroll]

i dont know anything about cf, but it sounds like your routing is fine

[fast gate]

just as I say i dont love cf it magically works

welp

god knows how that happened

[waxen scroll]

@little schooner when you override the runlevel in GRUB or LILO to single user, you basically get dropped to a root prompt with no login needed

[fast gate]

shame I cant get instant failover if something commits die

[waxen scroll]

it wouldnt be instant anyway, it would take some time for the internet route tables to refresh

[little schooner]

I meant for question 2

oops

sorry i didnt read the chat above

lol yeah these are funny ones

the author is having fun.

[waxen scroll]

these questions might be traps

they can all be answered as a delayed shutdown command, however i dont know if the author expects you to use the MOTD for the long one

OH

i just remembered

C is probably the wall command

i havent used that in YEARSSSSS

@clear igloo

🤔

[clear igloo]

[waxen scroll]

i want it

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll wow that looks pretty

i should show that to my 2year school prof

@waxen scroll I wish sentence structure wasn't so hard to grasp.

[waxen scroll]

@little schooner he wont pay

its like $200/yr and you need a good computer to run it

[little schooner]

well, he got more grant money last month. He ended up buying 2 more 12k servers i think....

Its in the 10k range

[waxen scroll]

he got money with the virus going around? wowwwww

[little schooner]

last month yeah

he messaged me the approval before all the things closed down

Funny enough, it had items in the proposal that we asked for last year in october

They take a long time

I haven't communicated with him recently, just been minding my own stuff

@waxen scroll but he's still a cisco trainer for the new ccna so

maybe he'd be interested

[little schooner]

@waxen scroll hows this for the answer to question 2b

[waxen scroll]

thats cute

[little schooner]

hopefully my prof for linux class likes it

[waxen scroll]

time to check ltt forum for lolz

no lols

[dusty ore]

anyone check out any unifi switches and routers?

[waxen scroll]

ask @rocky badge

[rocky badge]

👀

[waxen scroll]

i only run non-unifi except for wireless

[sonic notch]

What is a good and/or budget Wi-Fi setup for a 4000ish sq ft 2 story house? I am planning on routing ethernet cables, and I have a few Wi-Fi 6 clients.

[mild turtle]

To keep a story short I have been considering Ubiquiti Networks for my wifi. We're currently using the generic ISP router but lately I've just been having various different problems with it. I stumbled over Ubiquiti Networks about a month ago and have been interested in them since. I'm unfamiliar with them and I hear that their UI is way more user friendly than it use to be. To the point. We live in a three story brick house. Downstairs, upstairs and a converted bedroom attic that is insulated. From what I have seen Ubiquiti Networks products use ethernet for connection so I am thinking I'm going to have to connect it in the backroom which means the signal will have to travel slight further. I was hoping you guys could give me some insight and help me make a decision. I know some stuff about networking but honestly not a whole lot and I'd like to improve that. I'll draw up a really shit sketch of what the house/room looks like so you get an idea of what I need. The black is to identify where the doors are and where the signal can travel. https://imgur.com/a/1nxVfZz

[mild turtle]

Because of the time delay of no answer, which I understand, can whoever decides to answer if anyone does tag me please.

[dusty ore]

i saw their latest routers and switches, and they really look nice

they do have mesh enabled wifi hotspots, but also pretty good access points, from what i've heard in reviews

[rocky badge]

@mild turtle you can wireless uplink UniFi APs if you want

But yeah, they require Ethernet at least for PoE

[dusty ore]

but the best way to figure out the range of wifi signals would be to use wifi analyzers i believe

[rocky badge]

Depends on walls/construction of house/APs/nearby etc

[dusty ore]

true

i've been thinking of building my own ubiquiti rack setup tbh

[rocky badge]

Not the best way to mount these but oh well lol

my UniFi rack is messy lol

@bold shore's is better than mine :/

[dusty ore]

our house is being re constructed so i have time to plan lol

[bold shore]

Oh shit we showing racks?

[rocky badge]

just 6 runs lol everything else is down near the rack

[ebon wasp]

@rocky badge When I am finished I will be more messy

[dusty ore]

i'm thinking of having cat 6a through out the house and then going to a patch panel, from the patch panel they would lead into the switch, then the switch would be connected to the router through a 10gb sfp+ cable

[rocky badge]

My other switch lol

Between my PC and switch is the only 10 gig lol @dusty ore

[bold shore]

Don’t mind the cell backup, I still have yet to mount it yet lol

[rocky badge]

udmp 👌

now actually utilize your AD 😛

[dusty ore]

then from the router i would have another sfp+ cable going to their new camera storage rack, and then their power system

[bold shore]

Yeye, the OG Rev 3 first EA batch haha

YES I NEED TO AHHHH

I’m waiting for the USW XG Gen 2 switch with LCM

And an XG mini switch that isn’t the XG6 POE because FUCK it is expensive

[dusty ore]

i think you can order if if you're in their beta

[rocky badge]

I want the UXG Pro lol

[bold shore]

Oh I am in EA

[rocky badge]

Same lol

[dusty ore]

same

[rocky badge]

oof katy bad bot

😂

[dusty ore]

but yeah, i'm thinking of an all unifi setup with their cameras as well so it's managed through one application

their 1440p ones cause the 4k are expensive lol

[rocky badge]

I mean, 720p/1080p is fine 😂

[dusty ore]

I should add a 10gb network card to my pc tbh

[rocky badge]

Unless you really need the extra detail

or zoom in a lot

[dusty ore]

i zoom in a lot lol

[rocky badge]

😄 https://blob.pcmr.rocks/4d6604e💥.png

[dusty ore]

i only got a 1g link lol

even though my mobo supports 5gb max, but canadian network providers suck

[dusty ore]

and charge a lot too

[rocky badge]

LC multimode om3 from the wall 😄

[dusty ore]

nice

but mainly i want the 10g connection for nas

[rocky badge]

my GPU hides the green pcb card

[dusty ore]

rgb does too lol

[rocky badge]

yup

[fallow frost]

You can do 10g between two computers independent of your link speed, can't you?

[dusty ore]

that's if your network card supports a 10g transfer, and the network media has an influence as well

[bold shore]

Imma get that juicy 10GB soon

[rocky badge]

you need NICs that support 10 gig

[bold shore]

Blob, we should petition for LMG to get a USW Leaf once it is GA

[fallow frost]

I know you need nics that support it, but if both your nas and pc had a nic, you could do it

[rocky badge]

look into dat laser

[dusty ore]

yeah, but a pc isn't going to be directly connected near a nas

[rocky badge]

@bold shore lmao, they won't because REEEEE it's too expensive 😂

[bold shore]

They bought a 5K dell switch tho

USW Leaf is $2K and then some adapters

[rocky badge]

lmfao what that's what they paid for it?

[dusty ore]

your pc would likely be connected through a wall port and then sent through a switch

[bold shore]

Yeah that's what they said when they put it in

[rocky badge]

Isn't it RJ45 though?

or is it all SFP+

[bold shore]

I was like "DAMN that's a lot of money for a switch"

[rocky badge]

That's the big kicker

[bold shore]

All RJ45

But that's why

[rocky badge]

because the USW-Leaf is cheap but transceivers aren't

[bold shore]

But, the USW leaf can do cooler stuff

[rocky badge]

yeah

[bold shore]

Plus managed through UniFi

And they have all Unifi AP's again

[rocky badge]

Iirc they only have UniFi for wireless?

[bold shore]

They took out the Cisco AX ones

[rocky badge]

Meraki

Meraki, UniFi, pfSense, and Dell switches

[bold shore]

After the video I saw them in the ceiling and said "they couldn't stay away from UniFi"

[rocky badge]

What next, Aruba?

[bold shore]

Haha

[rocky badge]

Ruckus?

[bold shore]

They need to get their entire network Unified

[rocky badge]

the UDMP/UXGP can probably route better than their pfSense

[bold shore]

But once the UDM XG or UXG (XG?) comes out they should switch from pfsense

I know they have 10GB, so UDMP could not do that with IPS/IDS

But the UDM XG and UXG XG probably will

I will laugh my ass off if they have a UXG XG

[rocky badge]

lol

@bold shore https://blob.pcmr.rocks/ec1c980🔋.png

:D

[bold shore]

What dat?

[rocky badge]

3CX pbx

[bold shore]

Ah

[rocky badge]

@bold shore It works :D

[bold karma]

3CX is pretty easy to deploy and maintain

[half valley]

why shell out money for 10GB nics when you can use your hypervisors

[rocky badge]

because I have some physical 10 gig clients

[half valley]

that works too

[dense karma]

would i be able to drop a networking related freenas question in here?

[fervent brook]

find out

[fervent brook]

Is there a good serial terminal program for windows 10?

I use Putty, but someone said it's not good

[charred meadow]

I used Tera Term the other day and it worked well.

[fervent brook]

ive used putty for about 5 years and it worked well

guess im sticking with putty

[charred meadow]

If it works well I don't see any need to change tools.

[fervent brook]

because someone said putty was not good. so it must be true

jk

time to play with this router for 5 minutes, then never use it again

i wonder what the status LED on the Console port is for

maybe load?

oh, it's the power LED

do the weird blocks mean i missed some data?

im no linux person...but i think this router is literally running on Linux

[clear igloo]

If you don't mind paying then SecureCRT is best imo 🙂

But if you only have a handful of devices then it's not worth it, when you've got hundreds, SecureCRT all the way

[fervent brook]

why does it seem like there are concurrently v1 and v2 versions of ubuiquiti's router firmwares?

"EdgeRouter ERLite-3/ERPoe-5 Firmware v2.0.8-hotfix.1 Firmware 2020-03-10"

Maybe there was a hotfix for the new virus

[little schooner]

I use royalts for managing different devices and it's been pretty great.

[fervent brook]

oh, cool. it looks like this thing might have a use

i can use it to add a failover WAN

i think

[river forge]

hey - I'm looking into building a home lab and trying to figure out a few things. I made a post in the forum https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1169643-advice-on-home-server/. Do you think that a used R710 would be a good option for what I want?

[warm estuary]

I have a problem with my ethernet network car it is showing 100 mbps but its capeable of 1gb

[fervent brook]

reseat the connector

[edgy pasture]

I am looking to run 10g through my house

Is there a difference between cat7 keystones and cat6a?

[little schooner]

Cat 6a if you want 100m, otherwise CAT6 should also be fine

Cat7 isn't a real standard

You could argue that cat6a is well shielded to not need CAT7

[craggy parcel]

@waxen scroll not sure I understand what these linux questions are trying to get at?
@little schooner They are nice questions, but the way unix like systems are used today, maybe not very relevant. 😉

[rocky badge]

pls no Cat7

I personally use multimode OM3 for 10 gig lol

[clear igloo]

@rocky badge Nice 😄

[warm estuary]

I found that my cat 7 cable isn’t working properatly how can I fix it

I do not get higher than 100 mbps on my pc

[wary blaze]

After months of working, at complete random, my network drives disappeared despite they are still being shared. What should I try doing to get them back? https://gyazo.com/50dc2c86c6fb0527ef3de084ec8de473

[waxen scroll]

you should probably actually map them as drives and not depend on windows to autoscan devices on the network

my observation is network directory like that isnt reliable

@clear igloo hows your work from home? how do you lab

[clear igloo]

I open lab case and say "move the things" and then a lab monkey moves my stuff

[waxen scroll]

😮

[clear igloo]

Other than growing insanity though, I think it's going good twitches

[sonic notch]

What is a good and/or budget Wi-Fi setup for a 4000ish sq ft 2 story house? I am planning on routing ethernet cables, and I have a few Wi-Fi 6 clients.

[wary blaze]

@waxen scroll sounds like a plan. How do I map them though?

I don't really get any options. https://gyazo.com/bd8d6c0c8aff92189f7c34db316ed4a1

weird its supposed to show pcs there

[waxen scroll]

you need to find their IPs and then usually its \ip\ for the address

\\ip\

[wary blaze]

but by default I've seen other people have a list there

hmmm

but even it doesnt see my own pc

[waxen scroll]

dunno. it works like crap on all my networks... i even have ghost PCs from other people stick around in the list when they're long gone

[wary blaze]

is it possible something is wrong with my router/modem? Because all of this worked just fine for me for months and at random now no longer works.

I didn't mess with anything either, just one day it no longer worked xD

[waxen scroll]

is it possible the workgroup names arent the same across all devices?

[wary blaze]

they are all running the same image of windows (all 3 of my pcs)

and it all worked perfectly fine for months until last night.

now no computers on my network are able to share drives across LAN

(as of last night)

something is going on with my network for sure because everyone else's can discover their pcs

https://gyazo.com/644920c91338f8e4441cddaf19169642

that's not mine, just an example.

https://gyazo.com/e84afff1e9ec67f86ef903a9d470cd12

oh yeah something is messed up alright

[sonic notch]

Is it possible to run ethernet inside the walls of a 2 story house without taking off the walls?

[spare bay]

you dont have to take off all the walls

but you'd have a lot of difficulty doing it without poking some holes

[thick minnow]

hey guys i have a question would love some feedback for the best setup currently im running netgear setup heres the list of models im currently running
-currently running comcast gigabit plan
-Arris SB8200 "dual wan output"
-Netgear ProSafe FVS336G "dual wan input 4 gigabit port VPN firewalled"
Port 1) Netgear Nighthawk Router setup as Access Point (used for streaming to 4 tv's)
Port 2) Netgear WNDAPP360 Prosafe Access Point (general wifi)
Port 3) Netgear Prosafe GSM7224R ( UNRAID SERVER,Gaming PC,4 port switch for PS4,xbox one,nintendo switch,smart tv. , work pc)

thats my crazy setup 😄 but the goal im trying to achieve is i want a reliable network "good firewall simple port forwarding and no bandwidth loss"

my current issue is this vpn firewall has throttled my bandwidth to maximum of 80 down and 40 up and thats with all the vpn firewall settings turned off

help me out with a good recommendation please and for the unraid setup i have 3 1 gigabit enthernet connected and planing to put dual sfp+ nic into it and have it connected into a gaming pc and work pc via sfp+

[ornate jungle]

If the issue is that your current VPN limits your bandwidth, simplest solution is to switch to a VPN that can support your full internet line speed.

[thick minnow]

the issue is the LAN-to-WAN Throughput max is 350mbps

and this is my connection speed

http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/datasheet/en/FVS318G-FVS318N-FVS336G-SRX5308.pdf

[ornate jungle]

Righto, bypass all networking gear and connect directly to your modem, then re-test.

Then re-add networking gear one by one until you find the piece causing your slowness.

[heavy cedar]

Hey (sorry for interrupting)! I have a solarflare 10 gigabit network card in my desktop computer and when testing from ram disk to ram with samba I could only acheive a few megabytes over 125. Is this a problem with my fiber card or sfp+ module overheating (I don't have very good case airflow) or my fiber cable bending at too sharp of an angle somewhere (multimode com3).

[thick minnow]

i know for sure its the Netgear Prosafe FVS336GV2 cause i went straight to the 24 port switch and my bandwidth went 950 mbps down and 300 up

[ornate jungle]

Boom, there's your problem. Time to check configuration, factory reset, or contact the manufacturer.

[thick minnow]

i got it i know its the router im going to return it but the question is that what would you guys recommend for a replacement cause i had a linksys rvs4000 and i had a similar experience bur my down was 400 and 100 up

[heavy cedar]

Fixed it, it was Windows limiting my 10gigabit card to 1gigabit because I was also using a 1gigabit copper card for my home network

[ornate jungle]

cxdave1 to be honest, I'm not familiar with the enterprise space beyond UBNT's EdgeRouter gear, and usually stick with higher-end consumer routers that can run a variant of OpenWRT.

[thick minnow]

which one would you recommend @ornate jungle

[heavy cedar]

cxdave1 I would recommend (if you want to get a bit more advanced) the unifi dream machine pro (and unifi controller on a raspberry pi) because it can handle 3.5gbps with ips and without ips 10gbps. Costs $500, but for that money you could potentially buy a server and (dell r420 or r430) and install pfsense on it.

[rocky badge]

USG

UDMP

[heavy cedar]

the usg pro 4p is also a good option, but can only do 200mbps (for me) with ips and dpi on

[ornate jungle]

What MartinIAm said cxdave1 - Tom Lawrence of Lawrence Systems (along with another channel called Crosstalk Solutions) both do amazing work with UBNT gear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiy0yh8AV30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXLKkjo1EIk

[rocky badge]

All UniFi here 👌 and I wouldn't change

[heavy cedar]

I only wish unifi had a bit more options in their gui cause it is kind of limited atm

[rocky badge]

Yeah that's what happens when you want advanced config but with a simple GUI

but for the price and GUI with UniFi it's a killer deal

[heavy cedar]

yea, I would get the udm-pro (rn usg-pro) but I would need at least 3 ports on it for it to work as a solution for me

[rocky badge]

ehh

I wouldn't use udmp as a switch

[thick minnow]

Hmmm that’s not a bad idea

[rocky badge]

iirc all of the ports combined (the 8 port "switch") is limited to gigabit

@bold shore is that correct?

[bold shore]

Ye

On all current revs

On Rev 3.1 (first EA batch) the switch is 2.5 gbps

I have the one with 2.5 gbps but locked SFP ports

Sadly

[sonic notch]

I have a 2 story, 4000ish sq ft house and I've been choosing between 2 ASUS routers and 2 APs from Ubiquiti. I like the features on the ASUS routers I've been looking at (built in WTFast and OpenVPN), but not sure if it's worth the tradeoff compared to Ubiquiti. I'm also wondering whether AiMesh and 802.11ax/Wi-Fi 6 are worth it considering I only have 1 Wi-Fi 6 capable device and 18 total clients. I also want to keep costs relatively low and am willing to wire the routers eith Cat6. I currently have an ISP modem that gives me (in LAN tests) 90 Mbps in good spots and 70 Mbps, and 600 Mbps between 2 wired clients. Any ideas on my best plan of action?

[bold shore]

I only use the UDMP for my DNS server

If the question is between Ubiquiti AP's and any other AP, the answer is Ubiquiti

[rocky badge]

@sonic notch UniFi > Asus APs

[bold shore]

UniFi on top

Got 20 AP's in my home

And 18 switches

[rocky badge]

Unless you want to be replacing those ASUS APs in ~1-2 years

[heavy cedar]

man 18 switches are those all unifi?

[bold shore]

UniFi AP's have much better features

[rocky badge]

They're cheap :D

[bold shore]

Yep!

[sonic notch]

How much is a good UniFi AP and switch?

[rocky badge]

@sonic notch How many ports

[bold shore]

Depends on your needs

[sonic notch]

And does it allow me to set up a VPN server?

[rocky badge]

USG/UDM(P) does

[bold shore]

I have switches ranging from USW Mini's to a 48 Pro POE switch

Don't buy USG

[sonic notch]

I need 2 APs and the required amount of ports for a switch

[bold shore]

Buy UDMP

FlexHD is a great AP

[heavy cedar]

]I made the mistake of buying a usg pro right before the udm-pro came out 😦

[rocky badge]

nanoHD/FlexHD/In Wall HD

[bold shore]

I have a mixture of UAP Mesh, FlexHD, IWHD, BeaconHD, and NanoHD

Oof

I knew the UDMP was coming 3 months before it was even in EA lol

[rocky badge]

Everyone but me is asleep lmao

[bold shore]

Gotta look at the rumors!

Or be in the UI discord

[rocky badge]

lol

[heavy cedar]

my isp's lantency sucks ass rn because of their networks being overloaded

[bold shore]

UI discord on top

But if you say the word doorbell or chime I will literally scream

[sonic notch]

Are UDMPs $500?

[rocky badge]

@bold shore I need to update my core switch

[bold shore]

$379

Crazy good price

[sonic notch]

eek

[rocky badge]

I mean, if you don't need 10 gigabit

UDM is fine

[bold shore]

UDMP is best

[sonic notch]

I'm the only power user in my house lol

[bold shore]

If you have gigabit UDMP is the way

[rocky badge]

UDM can be one of your APs

[bold shore]

Yeah, but gigabit

[rocky badge]

UDM does gigabit tho

[heavy cedar]

but without ips

[bold shore]

Not with IPS/IDS

[heavy cedar]

it does ips at 850mbps

[rocky badge]

He's probably not going to run IPS/IDS lmao

[sonic notch]

I have 100 Mbps rn but may get gigabit in the future (2 gig if I switch to commiecast)

[bold shore]

Then go UDMP

[rocky badge]

commiecast lol

[bold shore]

Frontfuck

Go for the UDMP

[sonic notch]

That's still a lot hmmm

[bold shore]

Better future proofing

$379 for what it does is INSANE

[sonic notch]

Ye but I'm not sure if I need it

[bold shore]

I was thinking it was going to be $599 AT BEST when it came out

I was floored at the $379 price

[sonic notch]

I need something that can do better than my ISP modem and not much else tbh

• my wifi savings can get me more ethernet so idk

[heavy cedar]

Wait, can you forward public ips to certain ips on the lan network with the unfi controller?

[sonic notch]

Is ASUS remotely good or is it not worth considering?

[heavy cedar]

i would say its not worth considering compared to the price of the udmp

[sonic notch]

I was thinking of 2 AC86Us

For a dead spot

[rocky badge]

aaaaagh @bold shore

[heavy cedar]

wait but those are routers

[sonic notch]

The UDMP is a bit out of my price

[rocky badge]

something's fucking turning on my PC via WoL

[bold shore]

RIP

[sonic notch]

I was thinking of using one as a router and using the other for either Aimesh or another AP

[rocky badge]

rdping into it to shut it down lol

[stable ice]

Always disable Wake-on-LAN and shutdown-over-LAN

[heavy cedar]

did someone break into ur network?????

[rocky badge]

@bold shore lol UniFi really wants me to update this switch

[bold shore]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-gif-4928619

[rocky badge]

@heavy cedar nah, it's either something broadcasting or probably Corsair or something waking up my PC

[heavy cedar]

that sucks

[sonic notch]

I'm guessing Ac86Us aren't worth it at all?

[heavy cedar]

Actually, this kid told me he could shut down my network and he tried sending a shutdown on lan through windows command prompt to my external ip address.....

for the price of 2 not really @sonic notch

[bold shore]

Didn't know warship could respond, but the real question is, is it based off text, or is it someone else?

[rocky badge]

someone else lol

[bold shore]

Ah

[sonic notch]

@heavy cedar Would 1 router 1 Unifi AP be better?

[rocky badge]

UDM and AP

Cheap, works, and good

[sonic notch]

UDM is 2x the price of the AC86U tho

AP is around the same price

[heavy cedar]

u said ur speed was 100mbps correct?

[bold shore]

Very different features tho

Consumer VS enterprise

[heavy cedar]

^ true that

[sonic notch]

@heavy cedar I do

[bold shore]

UDM has features you won't find on any consumer router

With more to come

[sonic notch]

Do you have examples?

[bold shore]

IPS/IDS, DNS Filters, multiple network support, the controller and stats itself, etc

[rocky badge]

single pane management

[bold shore]

Honeypot, endpoint scanner, etc

Wifi AI

The list goes on

[rocky badge]

fingerprinting

[sonic notch]

Hmm

[heavy cedar]

wifi metrics

[rocky badge]

VLANs, although may be supported by some, either really bad or limited

[heavy cedar]

you could build your house in their "map" section and see the dead spots

[bold shore]

They are more expensive becasue it gives you real features

[rocky badge]

Hardware lifespan

[sonic notch]

Is OpenVPN in that list? (client and server)

[heavy cedar]

yes

[sonic notch]

Ooo

[bold shore]

And has L2TP

[heavy cedar]

wait

[bold shore]

UI > anything else

[sonic notch]

How frequent are software updates?

[rocky badge]

I'm personally using AnyConnect lol

Often

[bold shore]

Very frequent

[rocky badge]

I have one pending

[heavy cedar]

ya

[bold shore]

With great communication

[rocky badge]

lol

but I don't want to do it

Since it's for my core switch

[bold shore]

5.6?

[heavy cedar]

schedule it for 3:59am

[bold shore]

BTW 5.6 with fast roaming has been great

[sonic notch]

How effective are APs at roaming?

And do I even need multiple APs?

[bold shore]

Depends on density, power, channels, etc

But overall, good

Multiple AP's are needed if you want extra density and coverage

[rocky badge]

@bold shore yeah

Roaming is good

[bold shore]

Like my 20 for example

I have a ton of space to cover

[heavy cedar]

hey blob wat's ur internet speed?

[rocky badge]

200/10 rn

[sonic notch]

I'll see if I can get the UDM at least

[heavy cedar]

isn't the usg 3 limiting the ips speeds?

[sonic notch]

I have to justify the price with my father so we'll see how that goes

Thanks for the advice!

[bold shore]

I'm on "gigabit" from frontier

[rocky badge]

@heavy cedar I don't use IPS/IDS lol

[heavy cedar]

oh and just remember if you want any unifi equipment to work you need to install a unifi controller either on a computer (raspi even) or buy a controller

oh lol

[rocky badge]

UDM(P) takes care of that

UDM(P) has the controller built in

[heavy cedar]

I have more than 10,000 threats blocked since the start of the year

[sonic notch]

@heavy cedar Does the controller have to run 24/7?

[rocky badge]

no

[bold shore]

Yes

[heavy cedar]

no

[bold shore]

Oh wait

Read that wrong

[sonic notch]

Alrighty

[heavy cedar]

unless you want to access it 24/7 then no

[rocky badge]

There are some stuff that requires the controller on 24/7

[bold shore]

On the UDMP though, it runs 24/7 as it is required

[rocky badge]

like captive portal

[heavy cedar]

oh ya

[bold shore]

But it is integrated into the UDMP

[rocky badge]

but otherwise, it doesn't have to

[heavy cedar]

isn't that why they called it the "dream machine" cause it has almost everything

[sonic notch]

Oh yeah, how do I get around the PoE requirement?

[rocky badge]

PoE injectors that come with it

you have to have PoE to power the APs

you only need Ethernet (with PoE) going to the AP to power and send data to it

[bold shore]

Buy a POE switch

They are cheap

$299 for the USW 16

The new one

With that juicy LCM

[heavy cedar]

man no offense but that is (for me) a bit too expensive

I got a 24port 10gbps switch from ebay for $250

[rocky badge]

You know if he says the UDMP is out of price range for him, $299 isn't cheap for a PoE switch

[sonic notch]

A lot of this is pretty expensive tho tbh

[rocky badge]

Where he can use the PoE injector that comes with the AP

[sonic notch]

I'm guessing it's not by enterprise standards

[heavy cedar]

yup. Cisco switches can cost more than linus's car (probably)

[rocky badge]

Yeah, it depends on how you look at it

[heavy cedar]

especailly those sweet 400gbps switches

[rocky badge]

@heavy cedar A fan tray for an ASR9K costs $6k

[heavy cedar]

lmao wtf

[rocky badge]

fan tray

[heavy cedar]

that is absurd

that is basically how much I've spent on my homelab

in all

[rocky badge]

don't forget Meraki's fuck the customer licesning

[bold shore]

Yeah

[heavy cedar]

oh that is so shit

[bold shore]

UI is on top

No fees

[sonic notch]

How easy is the UDM to set up?

[rocky badge]

simple

[bold shore]

I am a UI fanboy of the highest order

And an Apple sheep

They go hand and hand

[rocky badge]

If one AP in your network license expires, the entire network ceases to route traffic @heavy cedar

[heavy cedar]

one of my friends got a meraki firewall then it became a fucking brick because he couldn't use it because the licencing fees

[bold shore]

UDM is dead simple to setup

Plug in, open app, setup with BT

[sonic notch]

Are there any optimizations?

[rocky badge]

automatic

[bold shore]

Depends on your setup

But generally auto would work well

[rocky badge]

WiFi AI auto scans nearby frequencies, some other shit also handles client connections

and network optimizations

[heavy cedar]

Sadly I'm going to be switching to pfsense within the end of next year

[sonic notch]

I see very mixed reviews on Amazon for the UDM

[bold shore]

Mixed reviews are people that don't know anything

We literally talk with the devs that make the stuff

[heavy cedar]

well i dont but im very happy with ubiqiti products

[bold shore]

Ye

UI is awesome

And only going to get better

[rocky badge]

My network is only Ubiquiti lol @heavy cedar

[bold shore]

Same

100% UI over here

With pfsense at the edge but we don't talk about that

[heavy cedar]

mine is mix of unifi, hp, and arista

[bold shore]

🤫

[sonic notch]

They're mainly about signal degredation afaik

[rocky badge]

my edge is still Ubiquiti lol

Edgerouter X -> USG -> switch

[bold shore]

Signal degradation = buy another AP

"But why won't this one router cover my entire house"

Every person with a one router ever

[sonic notch]

Ye I have only 1 router and it sucks but for an expensive router I'd expect a bit better range (but I'm just a consumer)

[heavy cedar]

also, with enterprise equipment it'll last you a long time

[sonic notch]

Long time for updates?

[heavy cedar]

yea and for it actually working properly

[bold shore]

AP's are also limited by power regulations

[heavy cedar]

as far as i know they arn't gonna stop updating their products

[rocky badge]

yup, no more ASUS routers dying

[sonic notch]

Is there a cheaper non-wireless router so I can buy multiple APs instead?

[bold shore]

Not yet

[rocky badge]

UDM has an AP in it

[heavy cedar]

if you don't need ips (if you don't have ports open you don't need it) you could get something like the usg 3p

[rocky badge]

if you need 2, UDM + another AP

Router, Two APs, 4 + 4 ports, managed via UniFi

[sonic notch]

Huh the Amazon price is higher

[rocky badge]

Amazon pricing for Ubiquiti products this new isn't the best

Especially for Dream Machines

[heavy cedar]

I was gonna say he could get the unifi nanoHD, but those require poe and it is the same price as the in wall hd access point (basically the same)

[rocky badge]

in wall HD is basically nanoHD but fits in a single gang

Plus 4 ports on the bottom

[sonic notch]

I'm fine with PoE as long as there's an injector

[rocky badge]

So actually more value

[heavy cedar]

if he didn't need all the power of the unifi dm he could get a usg 3p which would bring his total cost down to $318

[rocky badge]

but he would need another AP, unless you're counting 2 APs in that

[heavy cedar]

oh shoot

yea the udm is actually a really good deal

[sonic notch]

$400 depending on the APs right?

I see a few $140 APs on Amazon

Let me find them

[rocky badge]

Just two in wall HDs is $385

[sonic notch]

Is a dual radio PRO decent for $130?

[rocky badge]

yeah, dream machine + in wall HD + poe injector would be better

UAP AC PRO?

Don't buy UAP PRO

Only UAP AC PRO

[sonic notch]

It's UAP-AC-PRO-US

[rocky badge]

Yeah

Those are good

I have one in my room, I'm connected to it right now

[heavy cedar]

I have two in my house and they cover it

[sonic notch]

Is that + security gateway worth?

[rocky badge]

oh btw

[sonic notch]

• another AP?

[rocky badge]

Don't get the E-US

Costs more and no PoE injector

[sonic notch]

Would a dedicated AP be better than the DM?

Signal wise?

[rocky badge]

That's what I'd get

Dream machine basically has nanoHD built in

[sonic notch]

Like 2 APs + Security

Ohh

[rocky badge]

Does that fit your budget?

[sonic notch]

Are nanos better or worse than AC-PROs?

[rocky badge]

nanoHDs are better

[heavy cedar]

wait

[sonic notch]

Ah

[heavy cedar]

are u sure?

[rocky badge]

you'd have 3 extra ports right now

@heavy cedar yes

4x4 MU-MIMO 160MHz wave 2 nanoHD

3x3 MIMO 80Mhz UAP AC PRO

[heavy cedar]

that is really interesting

But

[sonic notch]

How about signal wise?

[rocky badge]

Still better

[sonic notch]

What is a cloud key?

[heavy cedar]

controller

but it is built into the unifi dream machine

[rocky badge]

yup

[heavy cedar]

so you don't need to run the controller on another computer

[little schooner]

@heavy cedar correct

[sonic notch]

Range wise, is a DM better than an ISP router?

A typical one anyway

[rocky badge]

Usually yea

[little schooner]

ISP routers range wildy.

[sonic notch]

ActionTec T3200 if that means anything

[little schooner]

Yeah the dm would be better like blob said

It is made by company who are experts in wifi

Based on their website anyway

[sonic notch]

Alrighty

I'm going to pitch this stuff to my dad and hopefully I'll get the DM and a nanoHD

[rocky badge]

Ubiquiti's CEO and founder worked in Apple's Airport division

Apple Airport = wireless

Ubiquiti is very much a wireless focused company

They make lots of enterprise and normal wireless gear

WISPs use them for CPE and backhaul

[sonic notch]

Ye Ik but there are federal power limits and such so just wanted to make sure

I didn't know the Airport division thing tho

[little schooner]

I didn't know that either

My prof actually has an airport unit

Thing never failed us

[sonic notch]

Oh shoot I just realized there are way more APs

[rocky badge]

Yeah, nanoHD/FlexHD/inwall HD are generally the best now

[sonic notch]

Are they same or is one better than the other(s)?

[rocky badge]

Basically the same

just different form factors

[little schooner]

802.11ax still in draft?

[sonic notch]

So nano would be best because it's the cheapest?

[rocky badge]

They're all the same price

[little schooner]

But it's not a router just ap

[rocky badge]

nanoHD/FlexHD/in wall HD are all $179

[sonic notch]

Amazon sells the nano for $150

[rocky badge]

even better

screenshot/link tho?

[sonic notch]

Amazon hates link sharing for some reason

On Android

[rocky badge]

ooh nice

[sonic notch]

They have a nano + USG bundle too

[rocky badge]

with that, you'd need a switch

[sonic notch]

Any switch?

[rocky badge]

in order of ports on the USG:
console - WAN - LAN 1 - LAN 2

LAN 1 doesn't talk to LAN 2

Yeah

any switch works

[sonic notch]

oof

So DM would be better

[little schooner]

If you like it all in one sure.

[rocky badge]

Yeah

[sonic notch]

Would an unmanaged switch show up as 1 device or 16 (if 16 are plugged)?

[little schooner]

As one device that you can manage

Sorry

You can't manage those

You just plug cables into it and it network jsut works

That's all it will do

[sonic notch]

How much are Ubiquiti switches (future reference)?

What reasonable range*

[rocky badge]

Depends on what you need

reference to https://store.ui.com

[sonic notch]

Does an unmanaged switch have its own UI or is everything controlled on the main router?

[little schooner]

Unmanaged switches can't be managed

Plug and play

[sonic notch]

Managed*

Srry

[little schooner]

Oh

Yes they can be viewed in the controller

And managed

[rocky badge]

UniFi switches are managed through the controller yea

[sonic notch]

But a TP-Link one would use it's own thing?

[rocky badge]

ye

[sonic notch]

Alrighty

Ik this is the 3rd time I'm saying this but thank you all for the information and like 3 hours of your time!

[rocky badge]

np 😄

[random void]

this decent for home gigabit?

[clear igloo]

yup

[random void]

currently only have one cat cable into my room

ah good

my current can only do 100 mbps

[fervent brook]

go to goodwill

should be 5-10 dollars

[scarlet wave]

uhh Fast Ethernet

[cunning mango]

could be worse

https://i.imgur.com/quXErDH.png

whoever designated USB 1.0 and 2.0 "Full Speed" obviously wasnt the optimistic type

[random void]

well its 35 usd for that netgear gigabit switch

dont remember my old one, been active for so long

[fervent brook]

get a router. unless you need more than 3 ports

[sonic notch]

I have 2 low end laptops and a NAS. Is it possible to have the laptops boot into my NAS' VMs?

[fervent brook]

yes, if they support it

wait, you want to remote into your NAS' virtual machine before your laptop boots?

https://www.amazon.com/Tenda-Gigabit-Ethernet-Desktop-Renewed/dp/B07RT4NMLS/

@random void

https://www.amazon.com/Tenda-Gigabit-Ethernet-Desktop-Renewed/dp/B07SPH2VCZ/

[random void]

dont have amazon here

i already have 4 ports on my router, just need more

[fervent brook]

what do you have?

switches with the price stamped into the metal?

[craggy parcel]

this decent for home gigabit?
@random void Depends. I killed one of those, by running too much traffic through it. I think it got too hot.

[random void]

Oof

@fervent brook I have the Jensen switch I showed plus my Sagem Fast router

[fervent brook]

https://www.netgear.com/support/product/GS724Tv2.aspx

This is what I have. Paid 10 USD for it

[craggy parcel]

@random void Well, I set up 6-7 computer as iSCSI targets, and combined all of them in a software raid. So, unless you're doing something crazy like that, you should be fine. 😉

[random void]

lol

[fervent brook]

does your state have thrift stores?

[random void]

yes but electronics rarely get reused

[fervent brook]

what state?

[random void]

denmark

im not american

[fervent brook]

i know that

[craggy parcel]

@random void Jamen så godaften da. 😉

[random void]

😛

[fervent brook]

i typically dont give buying advice for EU members, since obtaining goods seems hectic, at best

[craggy parcel]

And no, our thrift stores mainly sells clothing, kids toys, and various physical music and movie media. (Like Vinyl, CD, DVD)

[random void]

Yeah indeed

[craggy parcel]

However, there's quite a lot on facebook marketplace.

[fervent brook]

is facebook legal in the EU?

[craggy parcel]

Why wouldn't it be?

[fervent brook]

is facebook trading like two people decide to meet in an alley?

[half valley]

um, no

it's more of like Craigslist

[craggy parcel]

Yeah, or offering the stuff on the bulletin board, at your local supermarket.

[half valley]

just Facebooks branding

make sure you know how to haggle well to the seller,most stuff I see are /ripoffs

[fervent brook]

how would you feel if there was a game called Dansk Dansk Revolution?

[half valley]

say you prefer Dank Dank Revolution

[craggy parcel]

I would think, that name made absolutely no sense at ALL. 😛

[random void]

Anyway, I think the GS108 would be alright then

To replace my Jensen 100 mbps switch

[fervent brook]

you could just put the jensen switch on one of the GS108 ports for low bandwidth devices

[random void]

Yeah I know

Another annoying thing with the Jensen is that the power supply whines a lot

But meh

[fallow ivy]

any one can help me for a caching server ?

(i m french ^^)

[craggy parcel]

@fallow ivy Depends on what you want to cache.

[fallow ivy]

@craggy parcel STEAM ORIGI.................

for dl game

[vapid dune]

http://lancache.net/

it's essentially a DNS server that points you to the cache server instead for all the relevant games. mind you the files will be served (from local cache) via HTTP

[half valley]

https://youtu.be/3bfJdtA7GtA