#networking | Linus Tech Tips | Page 175

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:01 PM

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Then you should be able to go to: Port Forwarding

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and open the port there

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Thats what I do.

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But it forwards for the wrong IP

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When I go to whatismyip.com on the server its definitely on .196

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:02 PM

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did you select the right interface and ip address?

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:03 PM

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Yeah

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I'd show you but teamviewer has blocked me out of my server again for 10 mins. Incredibly annoying.

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:04 PM

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I´d legit recommend that you use something else than teamviewer

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very sketchy company

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Yeah logging into my domain controller now using remote desktop instead

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Can access the router from there

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Here

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You can see I have ports forwarded for both the main network and my server

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Main network being 192.168.0.x and my server being 10.0.0.25

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:11 PM

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and the router forwards it to the wrong subnet?

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:11 PM

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Yeah

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Like I have a map for my game forwarded to port 8123

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I should be able to use 196:8123 but its on 195:8123

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:12 PM

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are you talking about your public ip?

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:12 PM

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yeah

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Its forwarding to the wrong public IP even though the server is on .196

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Try removing the extra nat rules you have

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is this a static ip address or are you using dhcp

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:17 PM

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External?

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Yeah a block of 8 static ips

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Internally DCHP is disabled outright. On the main network we have the domain controller which handles DCHP and on my server I just set the IP in the ethernet adapter properties. Static

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I only have two NAT rules

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And those are needed to give my server it's internet

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:25 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387022787480387605/651858483095928842/unknown.png

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Are you still using this? Because if you are then the server isn´t on the right subnet

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:25 PM

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I created that vlan as a test

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Its not doing anything

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But yeah eth2 is what i'm currently using for my server.

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:26 PM

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and can you ping the router from the server and can you ping the server from the router

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:26 PM

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Yeah

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If I go to 10.0.0.1 on the server it brings me to the router control panel

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:28 PM

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port forwarding would forward ports on both IPs yes?

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Thats what its doing for some.

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For example my game on port 25565 is accessible though both external IPs

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But not other stuff

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:30 PM

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I think the safest thing is to put in a second router so you don't muck around in a business critical router

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:30 PM

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How would I hook that up?

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Gateway > switch > both routers?

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:30 PM

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you really don't want to be that guy that messed stuff up

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yeah

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:31 PM

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messing stuff up= learning ;p

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:31 PM

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assuming you can cable it as such

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messing up a business for a personal server = trouble

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:31 PM

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I mean i'm doing it from home on off hours

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And I have a backup of the config

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So I can easily restore

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:31 PM

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you can lock yourself out accidentally though

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Yeah if you don´t lock yourself out

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:31 PM

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I get that

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:31 PM

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The number one scourge of networking

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:31 PM

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it's easy to mess things up

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lol

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:31 PM

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But I mean I can go in the morning and restore it manually

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:31 PM

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that's why there's a serial cable

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I mean assuming you don't happen to get robbed overnight and have all your IP cameras not working

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it's a poor risk imo

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:32 PM

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I don´t have a count on how many times i´ve had to reset my home network because i locked myself out

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:32 PM

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Nah those are all hooked with coax to a DVR.

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But yeah I get the point

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But can I connect two routers to a single gateway?

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Sounds like it shouldn't work

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:33 PM

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No you would connect the routers together

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:33 PM

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I was suggesting two parallel routers

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but the question I'd have is how are you getting two WAN connections atm on the existing router

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:33 PM

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I´d legit get a switch

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Do you have two lines to your home?

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or are you connecting through a vpn

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:33 PM

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it's a business not a home

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Yeah but he is at home?

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:34 PM

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what I mean is that, are you getting multiple external IPs through a single connection to the router from the gateway atm?

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Yeah

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Like that at the moment

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:35 PM

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what about the 2nd ip?

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:35 PM

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can we see your interfaces?

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Yeah just a sec

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:35 PM

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thanks

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:36 PM

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hmm is the gateway the ONT?

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lol yeah I guess that's easier @shadow shoal

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:36 PM

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))

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:36 PM

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ideally the red is already a switch and it's fiber to SFP lmao

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:36 PM

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And under routing you can see the gateway

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:37 PM

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this is weird

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:38 PM

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This is just the default config of the edgerouter

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Only thing I added which you can see in those screenshots is the second IP the wan interface

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:38 PM

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yeah but having two wan ips is weird

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on the same interface'´

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:39 PM

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he has a /29

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Yeah

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:39 PM

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so actually the 193 is assigned to the edgerouter

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:39 PM

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ahh

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ok i see

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:39 PM

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193 - 199 is the /29 I think

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:39 PM

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I'd say so.

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Thats what i've been told

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Under settings gateway is set here

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:40 PM

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so nat overload should work then

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https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/204976494-EdgeRouter-Source-NAT-and-Masquerade

Ubiquiti Networks Support and Help Center

EdgeRouter - Source NAT and Masquerade

Overview

Readers will learn how to add Source NAT and Source NAT Masquerade rules to an EdgeRouter.

NOTES & REQUIREMENTS:

Applicable to the latest EdgeOS firmware on all EdgeRouter mode...

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:41 PM

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I think I was suggesting he'd first VLAN off the personal server

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but yeah and then take one of the IPs for the vlan

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:41 PM

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Yeah i´d recommend that

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:42 PM

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I was trying to suggest that if it's hard to do that he could plug a second router in parallel into the gateway, but I guess it's already assigning multiple addresses to the router so maybe that's a non-option in terms of mucking around with more config settings lol

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instead of VLAN of course. since it's easier

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:43 PM

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yeah not a great setup for a beginner in networking

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:43 PM

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totally lol

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Its very confusing haha

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:43 PM

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No worries i was very confused when i started

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:43 PM

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is there anyone at work who actually maintains the network?

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because for them to set it up shouldn't take that much time

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or is that you? LOL

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Yeah the IT manager. But he knows about the same as me on networking haha.

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:44 PM

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I mean it's a bit weird to have a /29 yet only use 1 IP ever

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at least to me lol

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and I assume there are no VLANs already

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Yeah as far as I know.

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Flat network baby

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:44 PM

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yikes

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I don't even flat at home anymore

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:45 PM

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lol same

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:45 PM

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and I have pretty bare bones level understanding xD

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:45 PM

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I mean we don't really manage any big servers or anything. Like I said we are small company.

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We just have a few ports forwarded on our single IP and thats it

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Our domain controller server does DCHP for the network.

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Yeah small companies are understandably not making a huge effort in their networking system

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It´s how it is

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Well small office I should say

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We are a global corporation

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But each office handles their own stuff

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:47 PM

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yeah

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:47 PM

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We moved our file storage etc into the cloud.

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The only server we actually have which is used everywhere is our sage accounting server.

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:47 PM

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lol computer security is quite poor for most things

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it'll take 1 randsomware attack for your business to go under

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that's how I see businesses die these days at least

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:48 PM

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i hope you are making backups securely

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))

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Well like I said. Everything is stored in the cloud.

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We use google drive for everything

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We do take a backup of that though.

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:49 PM

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What i would do in regarding to the server is: put it on a vlan, not vlan 1 btw

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secure it by making firewall rules that disallow traffic to it

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Will that stop the wrong IP port forwarding issue?

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:51 PM

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I don´t think you need both destination and source nat to the server btw

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You can try removing source nat rule

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:52 PM

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you would just route everything in that vlan out a given IP

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see this: https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/204952274-EdgeRouter-Policy-based-routing-source-address-based-

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 8:53 PM

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vlans are love

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:53 PM

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except no inter vlan communication is desired in your case

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Okay

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:54 PM

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I'm assuming other lan is the connection directly to your server?

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:54 PM

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Yeah

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So I need to do something like this?

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:54 PM

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regarding the dhcp server, I'd just use a static IP for the server since there's just 1 device lol

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Yeah I am. Currently using 10.0.0.25 for the server

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Set manually in the ethernet adapter

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:55 PM

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oh wait

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it's a different port on the router

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you don't need vlan do you o.o

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:56 PM

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ConfusedMorty

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 8:56 PM

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just realized it LOL

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usually you do vlans like this: router --> vlan aware switch --> devices / server

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and then you put things on specific vlan as appropriate and muck around the rules

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what you have is you two lines into the router on eth1 and eth2

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Yeah

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195 to eth1 for the main network

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196 to eth2 for my server

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Thats what the 1:1 NAT guide told me to do.

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 9:01 PM

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I think all I'm saying is that you don't need to add VLANs since you can just do the entire interface

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Okay that simplifies things.

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My goal would be to put in some kind of isolation between eth1 and eth2

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And to also fix this wrong IP port issue

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:04 PM

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ok try removing the destination nat rule and only leaving the source nat rule

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Okay

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No that broke my server

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Cant connect to it now

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Yeah people on the server were fine. But anyone trying to connect couldn't when I deleted it.

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I put the rule back and all is fine.

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 9:11 PM

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so what's the remaining issue? isolation?

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also that port forward isn't right either right?

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Yeah

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:11 PM

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yeah its choosing the first ip always

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 9:11 PM

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ignoring the firmware version issue see: https://community.ui.com/questions/How-to-properly-set-up-multiple-WAN-IP-addresses-with-port-forwarding/6df70aba-0ae9-416f-b5c5-4cc07163f800

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:12 PM

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having multiple wan ips confuses me tbh

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 9:12 PM

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isolation should just be firewall rules

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Yeah isolation is my second priority

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:12 PM

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yeah its always firewall for layer 3

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:12 PM

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I figure that can be done a lot of easier

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The main problem is the port issue

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Yeah I checked that link you sent Blue. Doesn't seem to be a fix in there. Just people trying to figure stuff out like here haha

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What the dude said about there being no Original Address in port forwarding makes sense though. It seems like in another router this would be a lot easier.

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:16 PM

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edgerouter can be clunky sometimes

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:17 PM

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I bought it because it was recommended to me here haha

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:17 PM

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No worries i have one too

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i´m currently using it with a bunch of vlans and to route my own ipv6 /48

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works like a charm but configing it can sometimes be weird

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:18 PM

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I see

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 9:19 PM

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hmm? the guy at the end said he got it working

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:20 PM

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oh

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:20 PM

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yeah by going to an older firmware

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:20 PM

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shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:20 PM

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btw never update firmware straight away

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:20 PM

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So that is what I need to use?

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I'm on the latest stable firmware right now, not the beta.

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EdgeRouter 4 v1.10.10

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 9:22 PM

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like I said

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just ignore the version lol

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:23 PM

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That screenshot I sent is what I need to do though right?

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:23 PM

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I´m on 10.09 because 10.10 broke ipv6

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:23 PM

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nvm that wasn't the dnat thing

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 9:25 PM

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I think I'm on 10.10

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what broke about ipv6?

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:25 PM

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It just wouldn´t route

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 9:25 PM

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oh nope. I'm on 10.9 too lol

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:25 PM

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lol

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 9:25 PM

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ipv6 working

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:26 PM

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yeah 10.9 is solid for ipv6

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:26 PM

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So which part of that forum post is the part I need to do then?

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 9:26 PM

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I think the part you highlighted or maybe the jumbled config

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:26 PM

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I already have two NAT's though

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Thats the same thing no?

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 9:26 PM

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I didn't have time to read it past that he got it working

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and that it's what you want in terms of functionality for the public ip

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:27 PM

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I dont think everything is there in that forum post tbh

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:27 PM

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i kind of feel like your current config should work

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but i´m not sure

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:27 PM

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I dont think I should be putting ports in the port forwarding section

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Its opening ports for both IPS it clearly

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So I need to do port forwarding using DNAT and SNAT I think.

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Thats what I make from that forum post anyway.

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:28 PM

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You can try and see if that works

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trial and error

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Well

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Just read in the forum post and he said 1:1 NAT doesnt seem to be possible.

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So I think thats what he is trying to do

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Which is what I have done already. I followed a 1:1 NAT guide to get to this stage

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This is my current config for DNAT

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:30 PM

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yeah you seem to need to use dnat rules for dnat

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because the port forwarding windows doesn´t let you control which WAN

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Exactly

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So DNAT is inbound information

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And SNAT is outbound?

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:31 PM

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yes kind of

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Or Destination is inbound etc....

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Okay I get that part

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So I need to create a rule forwarding both?

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But since I have specified no port shouldn't all ports be open?

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:33 PM

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not if you have configured firewall correctly

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Oh yes the firewall policy

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I added a rule to WAN_IN

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:33 PM

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but yeah you should include the ports in the nat rules

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:34 PM

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I added a rule to the WAN_IN firewall policy to accept all protocols, with a destination address 10.0.0.25 for my server. Default action for WAN_IN is to drop btw.

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I didn't add one for WAN_LOCAL though.

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Not sure what that rule is doing.

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:37 PM

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You don´t need to configure for wan local

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:37 PM

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What is the purpose of that rule?

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 9:37 PM

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if you for example want to be able to connect to the router from the internet

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It´s only to the router and not to devices on the lan

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so only to interfaces on the router

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 9:39 PM

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So its configured correctly?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRWnkEUkfs8

YouTube

Willie Howe

EdgeRouter 1:1 NAT

Sometimes you need to do a 1:1 NAT translation. With an EdgeRouter this couldn't be easier! Follow this quick tutorial to get your 1:1 NAT up and going! Need...

▶ Play video

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This is what I followed originally.

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Exactly to the point i'm at right now. Maybe you'll see an issue.

vapid dune Dec 4, 2019, 9:50 PM

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the same as this? https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/115009504308-EdgeRouter-How-to-Distribute-Public-IP-Addresses

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 10:02 PM

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Not quite

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They didn't do the firewall rule in that article.

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But everything else inc the NAT stuff is the same yeah

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Ooh ohh ooh

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Its forwarding ports to both IPS

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So if I put a blockade between eth 1 and eth2 would that stop it?

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Because on the main network I can write 10.0.0.25:8123 and it also shows my thing.

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So maybe its cause both networks are connected

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How would I go about setting up some separation?

fluid meadow Dec 4, 2019, 10:46 PM

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Dose anyone have a good modem recommendation?

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i want to buy the XR450 router

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but i need a modem

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 10:46 PM

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NAT to the rescue

fluid meadow Dec 4, 2019, 10:46 PM

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?

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 10:46 PM

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@fluid meadow I was replying to the other guy

clear igloo Dec 4, 2019, 10:47 PM

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Who is your ISP @fluid meadow

fluid meadow Dec 4, 2019, 10:47 PM

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xfinity @clear igloo 1000mbps down and 45 up

clear igloo Dec 4, 2019, 10:48 PM

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NETGEAR CM1000v2 or CM1200

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or the Arris SBG8300

fluid meadow Dec 4, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Yes i know

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wait

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nvm

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thanks

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 10:53 PM

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is the ISP provided modem just shit or?

clear igloo Dec 4, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Comcast charges $10? a month for theirs

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 10:54 PM

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lol

clear igloo Dec 4, 2019, 10:54 PM

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So best to bring your own 😛

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 10:54 PM

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yeah understandable

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So whats the worst US ISP?

quick hollow Dec 4, 2019, 11:07 PM

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boost mobile hotspot

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:21 PM

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@shadow shoal Comcast

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Prices go up drastically every year

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:21 PM

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strong contender for the top spot

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:21 PM

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They push all fees to customers

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They have bad negotiators

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They give only 5mbps for a 300 mbps connection

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:21 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/e5ng0u/sprint_blocked_all_of_cogent_from_accessing_their/

Sprint blocked all of Cogent from accessing their website...

So we have a number of clients with Cogent lines, we push them a lot for our client base. Today we had a few reports of people getting an error...

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This is also hilarious

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:22 PM

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Sprint has awful download speeds on 4g

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Also why is it so hard to get a sim card with like 20 bucks worth of internet data without doing a contract

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If i´m visiting for a week or three i´m not gonna sign a contract to get data for my phone lol

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:24 PM

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@shadow shoal but that was months ago. I did a test now. Looks like they finally Improved

📎 Screenshot_20191204-182423_Speedtest.jpg

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Comcast is fi e

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:24 PM

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:bless:

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Fine

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Frontier is far worse

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:25 PM

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@edgy pasture Comcast reminds me of the worst in people

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Frontier is even worse yeah

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:25 PM

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You have never met frontier

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:25 PM

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lmao

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Frontier made me apprieciate comcast

rocky badge Dec 4, 2019, 11:26 PM

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frontier

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support

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Pick one

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Frontier is a trap. I guarantee it. You see their trucks servicing neighborhoods more than any other isp

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They have a infrastructure problem

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:27 PM

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They lied, added random things on, and took 10 days to install my internet which consisted of them plugging in a wite

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:27 PM

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They charged my dad from 100 bill to. 298

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:27 PM

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Yep

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I would like a monthly plan

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Sure

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:28 PM

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@edgy pasture this
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/07/frontier-customer-bought-his-own-router-but-has-to-pay-10-rental-fee-anyway/

Ars Technica

Frontier customer bought his own router—but has to pay $10 renta...

Customer-owned FiOS router works just fine, but Frontier refuses to waive fee.

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:28 PM

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Bill shows up 2 year contract with extra 70 install, 20 a month for security

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:28 PM

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They force it on you

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:28 PM

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They lied

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Straight up

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I asked for thing

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:28 PM

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damn they are squeezing every penny lmao

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:28 PM

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They charged me for more

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:28 PM

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Worst than Comcast

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:29 PM

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Would you like this? No... on bill anyway

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Far far worse

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Comcast is actually fine

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:29 PM

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also

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the couple pays $90 a month for a 150Mbps

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wtf

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that is terrible

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:29 PM

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Thats fine

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Fronier ended up after fees and bull

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150 for 100

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:30 PM

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90$ a month is redonk expensive for 150mbps

vernal gust Dec 4, 2019, 11:30 PM

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At least y'all aren't rural schmucks like I am, paying $60 for 6Mbps down on AT&T DSL

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Comcast i paid 60

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:30 PM

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god pls why

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:30 PM

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For 250

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:30 PM

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@vernal gust it's abuse that's what it's called

vernal gust Dec 4, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Wasn't internet declared a human right?

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:31 PM

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No

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:31 PM

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It should be

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Paying 120? ish for 1gb down/up in Euroland

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Eh

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Where around 80% of the people in my country have fiber

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:31 PM

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You can live without internet

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Maybe.

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But it makes a lot of stuff easier

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:32 PM

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I pay 60 for 1gb up down

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No contracts

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No fees

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You plug in router, it asks you 100 or 1000

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Also no contracts or fees here

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:32 PM

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And your done

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:32 PM

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@edgy pasture I'm waiting for the new fiber isp to come to this area

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The price will be like 50 flat for 150 up and down

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Frontier fiber isnt fiber

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Dont believe there lies

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:33 PM

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No. It's a different company

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:33 PM

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lol its not fiber all the way to the home?

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:33 PM

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They are building it out in my town

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:33 PM

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It is but they cap it

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:33 PM

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wat

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:33 PM

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70 up down

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:33 PM

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@shadow shoal AT&T pulled the same lie too

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:33 PM

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is that even legal

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:33 PM

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It was fiber to the neighborhood and then dsl to the home

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Legal or not, people do not have ability to fight an is0

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Isp

little schooner Dec 4, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Trace down their management and hold em hostage

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:34 PM

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yeah and its often that that certain ISP is the only one in that city or whatever?

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Yes

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:34 PM

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so people can´t change their ISP even if they wanted to

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Yep

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:35 PM

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which is just terrible monopoly

edgy pasture Dec 4, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Im lucky as i have i fibersphere

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Best isp ever

shadow shoal Dec 4, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Only like 5 ISPs in my country, most are pretty good

viral lagoon Dec 5, 2019, 12:29 AM

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haha i only have 3 isps in my country

slate beacon Dec 5, 2019, 2:20 AM

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i hate isp monopolies

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discourages innovation/competition

shadow shoal Dec 5, 2019, 2:35 AM

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competition is always good

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:06 AM

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While some ISPs do fuck customers over, people generally do not understand how expensive it is to be an ISP

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:07 AM

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@hollow marlin but the big players really scam more often

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Comcast wants $109 for internet only service for 100 mbps

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But if you bundle it becomes 69.99

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With price increase to 99 and then 150

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Stupid

vernal gust Dec 5, 2019, 3:08 AM

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I would easily pay $100 for 100Mbps if the company business practices were upfront and fair

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:08 AM

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@vernal gust hah, the upload speed was 2mbps

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Even more disgusting

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:09 AM

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Part of it has to do with legacy billing systems and consistency

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:09 AM

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@hollow marlin gets me more excited to finally switch to fiber only isp

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Where it's 50 flat

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They use newer systems

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:10 AM

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You'd be surprised how hard it is to keep track of all the billing and plans

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Yeah it must be challenging

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:10 AM

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We cover almost 2 full states and its a chore. I cant imagine having to manage the entire US

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Im in the process of closing a house and I cant wait to get fiber again

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Im in the one location we cannot get fiber to

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The people who own the poles on the street are being ass hats and not allowing anyone to lease more space

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:14 AM

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@hollow marlin and that's probably what Comcast is doing to prevent this new fiber company from entering our neighborhood

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Or something

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:15 AM

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They tend to not own the poles, the electric company does. People like to point fingers at ISPs but electrical/sewage companies are actually the most impactful on where service can be provided

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:15 AM

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I see

leaden flower Dec 5, 2019, 3:17 AM

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Anyone here have a Security+ cert?

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:21 AM

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Was just reviewing with a buddy who is taking his on Sat

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Is security + hard?

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I don't have money to go for it

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Need to ask company to pay for me

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Based on the study guide, no

leaden flower Dec 5, 2019, 3:25 AM

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I have the money, just wanted to know if it was worth it

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:26 AM

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Network+/Security+ are worth it for people getting into the field

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actually very good starting points

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:26 AM

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I have the network+

leaden flower Dec 5, 2019, 3:26 AM

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Yeah I'm a late bloomer

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:26 AM

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Ahh I'm missing the security plus

leaden flower Dec 5, 2019, 3:26 AM

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I dropped put of college after a semester because I didnt know what I wanted to do

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:27 AM

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I stopped at my associates for the same reason

leaden flower Dec 5, 2019, 3:27 AM

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23 and I've been doing Tier 1 IT for a couple years and networking seems like something i actually enjoy

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:27 AM

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Heads up, IT and networking are two completely different worlds

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Im doing it for fun now but get employed soon

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Hopefully by next year

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:29 AM

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Like I said, if you were in the NY area Id take you under my wing Xeon

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:29 AM

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Yeah that would be cool

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I know I have a lot to learn

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It's been fun so far. At least with the prof projects

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I've taken a strong liking for powershell scripting

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Still have to do some python though

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:31 AM

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I started Python but then couldnt find a single use for it in production

leaden flower Dec 5, 2019, 3:31 AM

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I know, I've done some glimpses enterprise level networking when I worked for the local school district

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Glimpses of*

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:31 AM

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@hollow marlin yeh if anything, powershell was being used like crazy in my prof classroom

leaden flower Dec 5, 2019, 3:31 AM

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Hate powershell

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:31 AM

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For deployment and software pushing or inventory gathering

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Like wow it's a lot of fun

leaden flower Dec 5, 2019, 3:32 AM

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Thanks Bill Microsoft

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:32 AM

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Even to the point where it makes vms ready for every student account as soon as they log in

leaden flower Dec 5, 2019, 3:32 AM

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I know I'll have to use it at the server level though

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:32 AM

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@leaden flower I do have a c# background and it made it easy to understand

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But a good book is " Powershell in a month of lunches"

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That taught me a lot of powershell

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:33 AM

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Programming in networking doesnt come into play unless you are in mass SDWAN deployments

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:34 AM

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@hollow marlin ohh. So I still have ways to go

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:34 AM

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But even at that point there are dedicated programming teams for custom programs

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:34 AM

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Yeh

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That's good to hear.

leaden flower Dec 5, 2019, 3:34 AM

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Definetly looking into that book

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:34 AM

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@leaden flower it's like the best book for it

leaden flower Dec 5, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Idk

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Like, I always had a fascination with computers, but I was into it in highschool like I am now

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Networking just seems high demand and interesting

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:37 AM

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Security is more in demand than pure networking I think

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Like route and switch is not in demand

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:37 AM

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It still is but the market is starting to demand more rounded employees

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:37 AM

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Cybersecurity is

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:38 AM

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You need to know route/switch, security, little bit of wireless...etc

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Yeah

leaden flower Dec 5, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Which is why Security+ peaked my interest

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:38 AM

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That's the new topics

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A little of everything

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Honestly the expectations are becoming unrealistic for a lot of employers

vapid dune Dec 5, 2019, 3:39 AM

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lol

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Just be an expert in everything

leaden flower Dec 5, 2019, 3:40 AM

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Duh

vapid dune Dec 5, 2019, 3:40 AM

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That's how the big bucks are made

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:41 AM

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@vapid dune but then what kind of life is that? Focused full time on work and learn?

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Big bucks? Entry positions are asking for 10years experience with professional level certs

leaden flower Dec 5, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Yeah, its crazy

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:41 AM

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@little schooner My life is almost all work and study

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 3:41 AM

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@hollow marlin I think that would be very hard for me

leaden flower Dec 5, 2019, 3:41 AM

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When I was a truck driver it was the same.

Everyone wanted 5 years+ experience

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:45 AM

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The networking job market is starting to crash because of the dumbass requirements

vapid dune Dec 5, 2019, 3:46 AM

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dunno I'm in software. I'm always learning

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:47 AM

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As the requirements and overall knowledge required is increasing, employeers are upping the baseline which is cutting off people trying to get into the space which is fucking reliable network engineers for the upcoming years

vapid dune Dec 5, 2019, 3:48 AM

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It's by the very nature of software and technology

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You always need to learn

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Sure, you have to. But to expect entry level jobs to know route/switch/programming/SDWAN/firewall is plain asinine

clear igloo Dec 5, 2019, 12:24 PM

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Know all the things!

waxen scroll Dec 5, 2019, 1:40 PM

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@hollow marlin i had this issue in 2009. its even worse in your space cause all the NANOG types have these "im better than you" attitudes and gatekeep jobs. ive been burned multiple times because im not in the club

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the last burn was "oh you dont know MPLS from a provider perspective?" [goes and hires a DCtech friend he knows instead who doesnt know MPLS anyway]

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they write you off for not knowing topics that take less than a day to learn

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as for python, the only use i found was as a crawler where you need to make custom reports for a project that is too slow to use existing tools for

shrewd marsh Dec 5, 2019, 2:29 PM

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I only have an education as a web developer. 1 year and 9 months. And then I have 2 years of experience. Last year I got offered a job as a senior test specialist after 8 weeks of testing and training. It can sometimes be difficult to measure competence within the IT field because of all the aspects of it. But a general understanding get you far. And if you can show that and a willingness to learn, then finding a job becomes easy.
That is at least my experience.

hollow marlin Dec 5, 2019, 3:10 PM

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@waxen scroll that is 100% correct as I see it

frozen fractal Dec 5, 2019, 5:39 PM

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@shrewd marsh whats your expertise ?

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nodejs/php

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or anything else?

inner bloom Dec 5, 2019, 7:01 PM

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So my residence for uni has decided to overpopulate the place with APs and my phone really dislikes that. I'm getting constant drops and I'm wondering if there is a way to force it to one AP (the one in my room) or just disable wifi roaming all together.

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Currently on a rooted Andriod phone.

vapid dune Dec 5, 2019, 7:03 PM

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complain to them to see if they can adjust the minimum rssi?

shadow shoal Dec 5, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Not really, the phone decides what to do, you can try complaining to IT about their wireless performance

vapid dune Dec 5, 2019, 8:01 PM

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Why does your phone drop anyhow?

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Would a VPN help?

inner bloom Dec 5, 2019, 8:40 PM

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Already complained to IT and they cant do much. Phone drops when looking at all the connections with such similair strengths and gets confused between all of them. So it constantly switches between the different APs

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 8:41 PM

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@inner bloom if only there were an app that could look at the specific mac address of the wireless access point and filter out the others

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or get a phone that has better roaming capabilities

inner bloom Dec 5, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Well if it's getting the mac address of a specific AP then IT could probably help me with that. So long as there is a way to force my phone to connect to that one AP

waxen scroll Dec 5, 2019, 8:45 PM

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they can fix it

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wireless survey + making the levels less

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 9:28 PM

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@inner bloom I think with root that's possible

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Since you control the whole os at that point

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And run some special code

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To conditionally check before changing aps

waxen scroll Dec 5, 2019, 9:29 PM

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did you teach your professor about /31?

inner bloom Dec 5, 2019, 9:30 PM

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I assumed there was a way. I just need to know how to do it is all

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 9:30 PM

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@waxen scroll not yet. I didn't mention it the last time we met since he was more razor focused on getting grant money responses emailed to people

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Next time I will mention it

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I did mention to him that we should charge like 30 for our work though

waxen scroll Dec 5, 2019, 9:31 PM

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my times worth about tree fiddy

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 9:31 PM

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But he didn't take it too well based on lack of response

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He said he didn't want to burn bridges

waxen scroll Dec 5, 2019, 9:32 PM

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i dont know how you havent figured out how to bill the uni for your time

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use the budget

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 9:34 PM

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@waxen scroll I'm not that good at leading action

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But I'll get it down someday

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When I start working for real

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Right now I'm just thinking about passing my Chem and physics class

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Chem is really brutal. One exam I got a 45

waxen scroll Dec 5, 2019, 9:45 PM

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@little schooner you need none of that in the real world

vapid dune Dec 5, 2019, 9:47 PM

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real world implies you pass the fake world

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you need that piece of paper at the end of it

fervent brook Dec 5, 2019, 9:50 PM

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@little schooner guns won't help you pass the exam

little schooner Dec 5, 2019, 10:45 PM

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@waxen scroll I know. I just need the paper because a lot of jobs here have it has the pre-req

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Dat paper

waxen scroll Dec 5, 2019, 11:04 PM

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https://youtu.be/DT3SInHr9ck?t=514

YouTube

Linus Tech Tips

I said I wouldn't cry...

Receive an additional $25 credit for Ting today when you sign up at https://linus.ting.com/ Check out NVIDIA GeForce RTX Powered ORIGIN PC's at http://bit.ly...

▶ Play video

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cringe

vapid dune Dec 5, 2019, 11:05 PM

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did you mean #audio-tech lol

waxen scroll Dec 5, 2019, 11:05 PM

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no

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it jumps to the relevant part

radiant imp Dec 6, 2019, 12:45 AM

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isn't there a way to save the access point closest to you so that way when it comes within signal distance it give it priority?

vapid dune Dec 6, 2019, 1:17 AM

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they're all under the same SSID and the AP is responsible for the roaming I think

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ie if you're in between 2 APs it might pick the one you were already on to a certain extent

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"good enough" lol

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then it's up to the AP config to determine how good is good enough

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at least for unifi it's this: https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/221321728-UniFi-Understanding-and-Implementing-Minimum-RSSI

little schooner Dec 6, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Minimum is best used if there is a lot of downward facing access points on the same floor or something

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When you start adding multiple floors and different ap orientations, minimum rssi backfires spectacularly

shadow shoal Dec 6, 2019, 1:41 AM

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I´m just surprised they didn´t do a proper survey before, or paid somebody to do it

little schooner Dec 6, 2019, 1:54 AM

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@shadow shoal guess they paid people who didn't do a great job

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That happened with my towns selection of contractors too

shadow shoal Dec 6, 2019, 1:54 AM

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man that sucks

little schooner Dec 6, 2019, 1:55 AM

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They said they would pave the whole road, and the town wanted them to pave it this winter

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But they only patched and they were angry

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And they fired them

shadow shoal Dec 6, 2019, 1:59 AM

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good on them

vapid dune Dec 6, 2019, 3:05 AM

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at the uni I was at they had the IT guys driving around campus to detect rogue APs

fervent brook Dec 6, 2019, 3:54 AM

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Put them in...APVs

pure kettle Dec 6, 2019, 5:30 AM

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building a home automation rack for my new house, if all that the rack will have is 4 sonos amps (250 watts per amp), a 600 watt multizone amp, some apple tvs, unifi cloud key/usg and a 48 port poe switch should i be concerned about cooling? Its going to be a 25u rack so I have plenty of room to split up the amps for ventilation and 99% of the time only 2-3 amps will be running at the same time on low load. The room is air-conditioned with a small closet vent and seems to get good flow, we keep the house around 74 because we live in Florida. This is my first time building a proper media rack for a house as this is our first time building where we could run cat6 and speaker wire everywhere, I'm fairly experienced with A/V gear and have done tons of research on UBNT stuff but I just want to make sure I shouldn't pay more attention to cooling everything.

radiant imp Dec 6, 2019, 1:41 PM

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I would say give it a shot. If it starts to feel a little warm back there, definetly look into getting one or two clip fans

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=clip+fan&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

sour meteor Dec 6, 2019, 6:01 PM

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I forgot to backup my unifi controller before formatting my PC. Oh boy getting my USG set up to work with my unraid server and all its Dockers again is going to be fun.

fervent brook Dec 6, 2019, 6:22 PM

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📎 Snapchat-2042277529.jpg

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I'm sure I'll find some use for it...

waxen scroll Dec 6, 2019, 6:29 PM

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Oof

fervent brook Dec 6, 2019, 6:31 PM

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I'm not completely sane

waxen scroll Dec 6, 2019, 11:49 PM

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maybe you can practice fiber splicing new connectors on

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they dont really make stuff with that connection anymore

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the orange stuff has been mostly phased out with aqua

sturdy mirage Dec 7, 2019, 11:14 AM

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true, i was also hyped when i got my cables, however beside splicing panels, ST are kind of obsolete ....

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btw, if some one is interested, i got MTRJ cable tha i don't use

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

midnight heath Dec 7, 2019, 5:50 PM

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https://cyware.com/news/vpns-emerge-as-new-channel-for-attacks-as-security-researchers-uncover-multiple-security-issues-a9dd4cda

Cyware

VPNs emerge as new channel for attacks as security researchers unc...

An attacker can sniff, hijack and tamper VPN-tunneled connections by abusing a flaw in Linux, Android, macOS, and other Unix-based operating systems. Aviatrix VPN is also found to be impacted by multiple local privilege escalation vulnerabilities.

median ore Dec 7, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Hello, do any of you know if in this world there is a switch that have 1Gbit ethernet ports and at least TWO SFP+ 10Gbit connectors (ideally tree or four) that doesn't exceed 100€ ? I think there isn't but if it exist i might try it.

clear igloo Dec 7, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Depends, do you want managed, unmanaged? How many 1Gb ports? New or used?

median ore Dec 7, 2019, 11:12 PM

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I'm trying to have a new one, unmanaged one. For Gb ports i think 4 will be enough

clear igloo Dec 7, 2019, 11:22 PM

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I'm seeing no switches in that price range unfortunately. Those that are are all copper based 10G ports, not SFP+

median ore Dec 7, 2019, 11:34 PM

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copper ? you mean ethernet ? Well it's even better (for 10Gbit ports)

little schooner Dec 7, 2019, 11:58 PM

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@median ore copper is the medium, ethernet is the standard

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I've corrected my errors since I joined the discord lol

median ore Dec 8, 2019, 12:01 AM

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@little schooner sorry i'm a little bit lost sometimes, what is a medium?

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 12:17 AM

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@median ore it's the physical cable that the network travels over. Like the rj45 cable or coaxial cable or phone cable rj11

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Or not a cable like wireless

median ore Dec 8, 2019, 12:20 AM

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OK so when someone say that a switch is copper based what does it mean?

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 12:22 AM

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@median ore in that case, they mean that you connect to the switch with copper-based cables like the RJ-45 cable that you know as Ethernet

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People say ethernet but they usually mean its rj45 cable

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Fiber is not copper based

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So you wouldn't call it copper switch

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Because it may support fiber and copper connections

median ore Dec 8, 2019, 12:24 AM

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And ethernet is the way it's wired?

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 12:24 AM

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But if it's just rj45 ports, yes, it really is copper only switch

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Ethernet is the rules to how data is formatted to be transfered over network

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If it wasn't standard, you couldn't communicate with one brand of switch with another. Or in worst case, the US internet not being able to communicate with internet in China

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It is there to help everyone agree on a standard to follow and be open

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I'm generalizing a bit

median ore Dec 8, 2019, 12:56 AM

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OK thanks

spare bay Dec 8, 2019, 1:45 AM

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If you want to get super into technicalities, the copper cable you use is probably cat5e cable, the connector is an 8p8c connector and ethernet is the network technology (which can run on copper or fiber optic)

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rj45 is another connector that 8p8c is compatible with but not vice versa

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since true rj45 has a key

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and we use the rj45 wiring standard in the 8p8c connectors

hoary cargo Dec 8, 2019, 7:50 AM

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Pedantic bunch...

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I’m happy that there are a few plausibly priced 10 G switches at least, SFP+ or otherwise.

mental shard Dec 8, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Hey! I'm planning on setting up my own mail server again, but I'm at a loss as to what I used before to mitigate the whole dynamic IP problem.. Anyone have ideas that aren't just "get a DynDNS account?"

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 3:21 PM

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@mental shard yeah, buy a block of static IP

waxen scroll Dec 8, 2019, 3:25 PM

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lmao i was gonna make the same smart ass comment and decided not to

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thx xeon

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the real answer is dont run a mail server, its too much hassle

oblique aurora Dec 8, 2019, 3:57 PM

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europe is out of ipv4, i belive

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 4:13 PM

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@little schooner That can be quite expensive, last I checked, people expected up to about €50 per IP, with €20 being normal. Same goes for the spam I receive from IPv4 brokers.

For residential connections the price for a single static IP, at least in my country, can easily be about 10-20 eur/month, depending on the ISP. In many cases that'll be the same as the monthly fee for the connection itself.

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@waxen scroll I agree with the point of it being to much hassle. However, we still need people with the skills to actually setup and run mail servers, unless we should trust all our mails to entities like Microsoft and Google. So if people are NOT setting up and running mail servers for fun, because it's too much hassle, or always get's told not to, we could come to a point were all mail in the entire world will be controlled by a few large entities, like Google and MS for most of the world and one company for China, and another for Russia. I'm not sure if that's the way I would like e-mail to go... (And for the record, I'm using Google apps for my personal mail, and use office365 for company mail. 😛 )

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:01 PM

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@craggy parcel what do you mean by Google apps?

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Like Gmail? Or gsuite?

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Oh yeah, they changed the name to gsuite some time ago.. 😉

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Oh

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I didn't know the old name

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:02 PM

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I switched to it because it was free back then, and easier than running my own.

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I think the full old name was "Google apps for domains" or something like that. Ahh.. Wikipedia says it was "Google Apps for Your Domain".

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:05 PM

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I like how easy they make it to spin up custom email domain

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Hosted email is so fast to setup vs manual

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Yup, depending on your DNS provider, when doing the initial owner verification

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My DNS provider can take up to 1 hour, before they've synced all servers.. The one we use at work, take only about 10 sek. (Self hosted)

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Wow fast

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Yeah, we host it ourself, and have a small timeout, due to frequent DNS changes.

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:08 PM

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That's cool

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The last place I setup email was at dentist office. They were small and they needed office too. They had money so they went with o365

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But now we have to go back because they don't have enough users purchased

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And they just only have one person using it in meantime

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Can you have too few users in office365? Didn't know that..

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Yes you have to pay per user

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To be complaiant

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Compliant

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Yeah, you pay per user, but what I understood, was that there was a limit as to how few users you could pay for. (Like say, no less than 5)

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But yeah, you need a license for each person using the subscription.

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Nothing like that for O365 yeah

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Yes every user

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:14 PM

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We have the extra licensing bonus of having a number of office licenses, along with 365 licenses. So some users will have no office access, and others will. Kinda confusing, but at least I know that the MAC users NEED Office with their 365 subscription, as the licenses we have, are windows only. 😉

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Really? It isn't for Mac version?

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And yes you have to assign them the office license too as you like

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That's nice feature to conserve office license I suppose

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:15 PM

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But in regards to o365 users I think were the opposite of that dentist.. We have too many. We actually have a number of shared mailboxes, that are setup as regular users.

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:15 PM

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I got a question for you

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:15 PM

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O365 licenses with desktop Office are 5 devices, windows or mac, mix and match. But the standalone Office licenses we have, are for the windows version.

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Well, we have personal mails too, and shared mailboxes is really an old exchange feature, and they are FREE compared to a user account for the shared box.

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Yeah. How I would I go about this? :

They have one user account in O365, and it is an administrative account. I want them to check their mailbox but not have the power to make Administration changes by accident

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I was thinking that they have to make another account in order to do it safe

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But is that thinking correct?

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Exactly. You make another account, that's the administrator, but assigns not license to that account. Then you revoke the admin rights for the daily use account.

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Okay, so as long as it not assigned license, it can technically be created for free

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For use?

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:19 PM

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That way the admin account can login to the portal, handle payments, and all admin stuff, but will not have access to anything but the admin portal.

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:20 PM

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I see

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Exactly. At least, that's how I understand it. That is actually the situation you have, when you create the 365 tenant in the first place.

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:21 PM

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And I'm guessing that shared mailboxes don't actually need licenses right?

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:21 PM

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I've also accidentally removed my own licenses, and only warning I got, was the loss of data, that would happen after 30 days. 😉

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:21 PM

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I can make 4 users and they can access shared mailbox?

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:23 PM

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That's correct. However, when using outlook, users need to be aware that mail they send, from the shared account, is actually put in their own sent folder. I've not yet bothered looking for a solution, as my boss would rather pay MS for the extra mail accounts, than me to figure out how to solve the issue. 😉

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Hmm

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That's good tidbit to know

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@craggy parcel but wait, if it appears in their sent account, how can they see it if they don't have their own mailbox license?

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Yeah.. It was quite a show stopper for our customer service people. As everone knows, no customer knows how to quote a mail. 😉

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That depends on wether you use webmail or outlook. In webmail you click your profile image at the top right, then select the option to open another mailbox (I guess that's the english name, I use the webmail in danish). In outlook it's a little more annoying, but only needs to be setup once.

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:26 PM

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But setup for free?

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Since they don't need personal mailbox

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:27 PM

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No to access the shared mail, you also need a personal account, to my knowledge.

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Oh

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Drat lol

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:27 PM

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But the advantage is, that you don't need to pay for both the user, AND the shared account.

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:28 PM

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Right. The shared account is a free thing

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Which paid users can be assigned to to see its mail

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If I got that right?

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:29 PM

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Correct. You just assign the users full access to the shared mailbox, and they have access with either outlook desktop outlook web.

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In outlook you configure it under advanced settings for your own mailbox. At least in the windows version. Don't have a mac handy at home.

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:30 PM

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great. Yeah because I have to go back over there to finish some things that we didn't have time for.

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My prof gave an unrealistic finish time

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And we rushed a bit

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He didn't want to burn bridges with the dentist since he's good friends with him

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But still he should of been more realistic

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Unrealistic deadlines.. Love them.. I get them all the time.. Either that, or I'm too slow. Who knows. 😛

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Most of my work is development though, it's a bit harder to estimate.

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:38 PM

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The game plan was to:
-remove old desktops
-open new desktops and slide in
-make system image of old
-put system image on new
-make any changes/upgrade to windows 10
-image system
-push image over network to all new desktops
-upgrade router to pfsense
-install one unifi AP

But we discovered that they had one serious network problem with their switches. Dlink brand but it was causing everything to go at like 23mbps and imaging was failing every attempt.

Rebooted and nothing. Time is going by while troubleshooting. Ended up having to replace the dang thing with Cisco branded switch from Amazon. Another day past and we couldn't wait for imaging. So the last resort plan was to go to each workstation and configure individually.

It was probably the worst thing ever during the job

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Because it went against everything I knew about automation

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If he would of brought me to inspect their network first before we started the job, it wouldn't have played out this way

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Nothing that iperf or Microsoft ncttp couldn't figure out

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So I learned three things:

never be fixated on one way to solve problem
Don't panic so it looks like you know what your doing
actually say realistic times to complete a job

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Sounds like the switch was quite old, and needed replacement anyway. Even my el cheapo home switch can deliver 1gbit between multiple stations, at the same time.

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Hah... I'm quite an expert at number 2. 😉

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Even though I'm in a situation, where I have NO IDEA what I'm doing, it looks like it to everyone around. 😉

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Yeah I gotta work on number 2 😂

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But it was because I've never seen such layers of problems stack on one another

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Heh.. I've been working professionally in IT for 11 years.. Plenty of time to practice. 😉

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Yeah I don't got that experience yet

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I'm still newbie

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Yeah, keeping cool when shit hits the fan, can be hard... But when your colleagues run around like beheaded chickens, someone has to take it easy, and start analyzing the problem. 😉

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:49 PM

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All in all, a good learning experience. I've never done it in a setting where it was critical to have everything working by a strict deadline (where it could then cost ten of thousands of dollars each day it's not working)

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I've only done it in college lab setting

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Heh.. Yeah, it's a different kind of stress, when you need that someone will have a company that's at almost a standstill, until you're done. We provide telecommunications solutions. Imagine how satisfied customers are, when they have to send their entire call center staff home, because the phones ain't working. No outbound sales calls that day.

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I'm sure, however, that the people that didn't get the cold calls, were happy though. 😉

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:52 PM

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True

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:53 PM

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I don't know what the hardest part is... The fact that you know the customer is loosing money, and is annoyed about it, or ignoring your impatient boss... 😛

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 6:53 PM

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oo yeah tough decision....

craggy parcel Dec 8, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Yeah, but after that long in the same company, with the same boss, you know when it's just because of the potential loss of a customer, or he really IS annoyed and angry.. 🙂

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Also my boss and I tend to disagree on how to solve a problem. I like to identify the cause of the problem, and prevent it from happening, and he wants to treat the symptoms first. But sometimes the cause of the issue is no longer present if you eg. restart a service or reboot a server, and it's just a matter of time before the issue comes back. And whenever I remind him of that, it seems to change his mind on the priorities.

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But then again, it's him, not me, that has invested money in the company, and his reaction is actually understandable.

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:08 PM

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I'll assume this falls under networking, but I might be upgrading the speeds on my fiber connection and I can get 1000 down/100 up Or 300 down/300 up for the same price. I am not sure if I would ever need the 1gbit download, nor do i upload soo many files that 300 mbit upload would be substantial.

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I am just curious what people's suggestions are

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:10 PM

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@errant hazel if you don't see yourself uploading big things in near future, you'd probably like the 1000 down more

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Even 100 up is still good

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I backup a lot of stuff to cloud, so I prefer more upload speed

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I'm already at 250 mbps down, I don't even need more than that tbh

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Comcast is stingy and only gives like 8 mbps up

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:11 PM

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I have been considering cloud backup solutions at some point, I only do a time machine backup to my hard drive

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Well, with a high up speed, your cloud backups will get done fast

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Me I have to wait 10 whole days

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Good point

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Also I am sharing iso files with others time to time

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And virtual machines

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So they benefit a lot from upload speed

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I wish I could get fiber service here today

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:14 PM

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We got it about a year ago in my place, its a lifechanger. At my parents they have 30/5 on copper adsl

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i have 100/20 atm.

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:14 PM

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That's a lot better than mine

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:14 PM

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But with a scholarship its cheap to upgrade the speed a bit

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:14 PM

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Mine is 250/8

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:15 PM

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the upload is the culprit here

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Even at 20mbps, the time to backup is cut to like 3 days

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:15 PM

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yeah

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I will definately try the middle tier first which would be 350/100, I might not even need to go to any of the ones listed in the end

finite schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:16 PM

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IMO if they're both the same price, then the 1G down would be better, since you're more likely to throttle that (e.g. watching netflix, downloading games, etc. all at once)

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But both are kind of more than most people need

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Well I am literally the only one who would be consuming the internet at high speeds. my two roommates arent techy or anyhthing and youtube 1080p doesnt take anything haha

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and only my laptop has an ethernet connection 1gbit, the rest of the devices are on wifi so the 1gbit is irrelevant to them

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thankfully its 5ghz ac

finite schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:19 PM

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Yeah it's more when you have multiple devices

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I would stick to whatever is cheaper

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:19 PM

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at maximum 3 video streams and whatever i download

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i might be happy with 350/100 in the end and this is irrrelevant, but I am uncertain yet

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:20 PM

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If it were me, 100 down, is plenty and I'd take the up for my workload in particular

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:20 PM

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fair

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:20 PM

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I think you can throttle 100 Meg if you have people like streaming multiple 4k streams

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I mean it's a rare case

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And probably never happen

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4k streams can eat like 28 mbps

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:21 PM

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i do have a plex server that has 4k stuff on it at 70mbit/s, haha

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:21 PM

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350/100 is great

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Ahh so the 350 would do you justice

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:22 PM

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but yeah, thanks for the cloud backup point, i will definately consider that

finite schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:22 PM

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You could also just backup over night

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:22 PM

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i am in no position to complain anyway

finite schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:22 PM

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At that point, who cares if it takes 6 hours

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:22 PM

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so this is all just for comfort 😛

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true

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:22 PM

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@finite schooner well it takes me 10 days

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Overnight 24/7

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:22 PM

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but a macbook running fans at anything higher than 3500 rpm makes it hard to sleep

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:23 PM

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In the meantime, my data is vulnerable until it finishes

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:23 PM

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so the overnight is a no-no

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Yeah so fast upload speed mean you upload during like work hours

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And can turn it off each night

finite schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:23 PM

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If your data is that vulnerable, consider a better system

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:23 PM

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@finite schooner throw me some suggestions

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I have NAS and cloud backup to two providers

finite schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Depends on what the data is.
Development/Text = git + repo
Documents, Images, etc. = Plenty of cloud storage

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:24 PM

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I rather just backup everything

finite schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:25 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:25 PM

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Backblaze even says that

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:25 PM

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how do you upload the data? do they have a client or do you rsync or sth like that?

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:25 PM

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Back it all up they say

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Like really

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They hate it when you selective backup

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The software doesn't even let you

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@errant hazel yes, usually a client exists and you use that to tell it what data to backup

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Like I use crashplan and idrive

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They both have client

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:26 PM

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I have been thinking of just using sth like cloud archive storage from ovh and just rsyncing the data daily to it, its cheap cuz its cold storage

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:27 PM

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I guess that works yeah

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:27 PM

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since after the initial upload rsync will obvioulsy do just the diff

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:27 PM

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They would only charge for the download

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Right?

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:27 PM

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i have a full hourly backup on my 4tb time machine drive anyway

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:27 PM

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Upload is free

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:27 PM

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notsure i think upload is also charged

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but once uploaded its real sheap

little schooner Dec 8, 2019, 11:28 PM

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Yeah

errant hazel Dec 8, 2019, 11:28 PM

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thats in gbp for some reason

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have the wrong site but you get the point

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1 tb of storage is like 2$/month after its uploaded

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it is cold storage so you have to wait a few hours or days to be able to download the files then

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but as a secondary backup thats doesnt matter

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 12:37 AM

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Wow not bad

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Yeah good for cold storage

charred meadow Dec 9, 2019, 12:47 AM

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I'm backing up my nas to an unlimited google drive I get through university. But I'm not sure if it will be done uploading before I graduate.

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:04 AM

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I read somewhere that gsuite is unlimited, even if you have 1 user

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But Google can knock down that ability at any given time

fresh copper Dec 9, 2019, 1:05 AM

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I have over 3TB on GSuit with just one user

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It is extremely slow though

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:05 AM

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What part of it is slow?

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The uploading? Downloading?

fresh copper Dec 9, 2019, 1:05 AM

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Upload and download

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:05 AM

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Like slower than 50 mbps?

fresh copper Dec 9, 2019, 1:05 AM

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Download is not too bad but upload is pretty bad

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:06 AM

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Oh

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Yeah upload matters to me

charred meadow Dec 9, 2019, 1:06 AM

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Give me a couple of months and I'll have almost 7TB.

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:06 AM

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No, but crashplan is SOOO slow to download from

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Never count on them if you need a lot of data back fast

charred meadow Dec 9, 2019, 1:07 AM

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I'm currently uploading at 11Mbps.

fresh copper Dec 9, 2019, 1:07 AM

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The daily upload limit is like 2TB or something so if you can get it to go fast enough then it works

vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 1:07 AM

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how much is gsuite?

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:08 AM

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@fresh copper what about the download speed? 2TB locked?

fresh copper Dec 9, 2019, 1:08 AM

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They have increased the price a few times. It was $10/mo when I first got it, I think it's about $12/mo or so now

vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 1:09 AM

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"Either 30GB, 1TB per user, or unlimited storage, depending on the plan"

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:09 AM

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@vapid dune so basically it's all the above lol

vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 1:09 AM

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nah the lowest tier is 30

fresh copper Dec 9, 2019, 1:09 AM

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The download speed seems good, it's not as fast as the connection but seems good enough for me

vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 1:09 AM

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business is 1tb if you have < 5 users

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> 5 is unlimited

fresh copper Dec 9, 2019, 1:10 AM

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It's supposed to be 1TB if you have less than 5 users but they still let you use more anyway for some reason

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:10 AM

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I'm currently using idrive

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I looked at backblaze. Tested both. Both use full speed of my connection

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It came down to backblaze being hard to configure exclusions

vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 1:11 AM

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isn't backblack cheaper

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:11 AM

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They don't like that

vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 1:11 AM

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60/year sounds good

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:11 AM

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Yes, but limited exclusion rules

vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 1:11 AM

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oh? what rules?

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:11 AM

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Meaning if you exclude something, it excludes for all drives in your backup set

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And you can't deselect C drive

vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 1:12 AM

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oh

fresh copper Dec 9, 2019, 1:12 AM

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vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 1:12 AM

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can it do freenas?

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:12 AM

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What can?

vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 1:12 AM

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oh you need to use b2

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Ohhh

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And that's what it was.

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It can't be installed on server os

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Stupid restriction

vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 1:13 AM

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hmm that's dumb

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:13 AM

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They want you to use b2

vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 1:13 AM

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I'd have to install a windows vm via iSCSI lol

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:13 AM

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Which is highly expensive

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I could use a client windows but I have roles installed on server that I use... Or maybe I should look at that again

fresh copper Dec 9, 2019, 1:14 AM

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I do all of my backups with rclone which can use most storage things. It can only use backblaze b2, not the standard though

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:15 AM

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You know, actually I probably could migrate my server OS to client windows but I need more server licenses

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The backblaze could work but

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Why would I go through all the work for one app

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Doesn't make sense

fresh copper Dec 9, 2019, 1:16 AM

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This reminds me that I need to reconfigure some of my backups

half valley Dec 9, 2019, 1:43 AM

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also and some backup services don't allow network shares to be included

fierce prawn Dec 9, 2019, 9:54 AM

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Hello Guys, I’m looking to improve my home network. What is the pros and cons of this? I currently run BT router with a mesh system and want to upgrade my network. Is it worth getting my own router and access points eg a ubiquiti system. Or build up a rack. What would be recommended.

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Pros is that you can:

Have a faster network
Have more control over your network

Cons:

Adds complexity if changing to managed network
cost of managed gear
some learning curve of managed gear

waxen scroll Dec 9, 2019, 1:45 PM

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faster is in the eye of the beholder

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if you're already getting max speed test and you have no home server its debatable lol

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 2:23 PM

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@waxen scroll oh. I was coming from perspective that I saw at the dentist office. They were still on 100mbps hardware

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Yes so it depends on the current setup

random nest Dec 9, 2019, 3:14 PM

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Anyone know any free decent software to monitor all devices on network?

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 3:17 PM

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@random nest libreNMS

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Splunk

random nest Dec 9, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Is it a software not os

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to install

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Both are yeah

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Need Linux or windows in order to use those

random nest Dec 9, 2019, 3:17 PM

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good

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 3:18 PM

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There's prtg too

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All with their own learning curves

random nest Dec 9, 2019, 3:18 PM

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I have windows lol

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whats a good one for windows

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 3:19 PM

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I don't use any now, but I liked what splunk had to offer

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Since basically it's highly configurable with search abilities

random nest Dec 9, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Oh mk

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 3:19 PM

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I didn't really need to monitor anything here

random nest Dec 9, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Does it mess with the network when I need to turn off my pc or

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is it just fine

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To turn on whenever and run

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 5:00 PM

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If it's off, it simply won't be monitoring anything

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It will start again once on

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 10:51 PM

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@waxen scroll I've finally decided that looking for 10G router is unnecessary and that I will just put devices that need 10G onto a 10g switch and the rest will stay as is

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and make use of host-based firewall to protect it

vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 10:55 PM

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how much is a 10G switch anyhow

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 10:56 PM

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as cheap as https://mikrotik.com/product/CSS326-24G-2SplusRM

MikroTik

MikroTik is a Latvian company which was founded in 1996 to develop routers and wireless ISP systems. MikroTik now provides hardware and software for Internet connectivity in most of the countries around the world.

clear igloo Dec 9, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Yah, 10G routing is much more expensive

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 10:58 PM

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I really dont like how mikrotik switch is configured though.

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The cli is much different compared to other vendors

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also the concept of making bridge is a little confusing

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I guess I am spoiled that every other vendor handles the bridge for me

vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 10:59 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/p/0XP-000A-000U0?Description=10g switch&cm_re=10g_switch-_-0XP-000A-000U0-_-Product

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lol still expensive

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 10:59 PM

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I dont want a unifi switch

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they have buggy firmware

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but that one has more than two sfp+

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cost gonna go up expontentionally

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https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Ethernet-Unmanaged-Multi-Gig-Protection/dp/B076642YPN/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=10g+switch&qid=1575932519&sr=8-3 theres cheap unmanaged ones

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again just two

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Im actually tempted to buy this one with the connection between upstairs and downstairs though https://www.amazon.com/MikroTik-CRS305-1G-4S-Gigabit-Ethernet-RouterOS/dp/B07LFKGP1L/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=10g+switch&qid=1575932569&sr=8-5

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ugh why does mikrotik the only one making these

vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 11:05 PM

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oh huh how much are sfp modules?

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isn't the netgear 2x 10G 8x 1G?

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 11:06 PM

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I did mention that.

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and sfp+ modules as cheap as $18

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specifically, i would use it to bridge the faster unifi AP downstairs to 2.5g speed back to server

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I have 802.11ax in the surface laptop, so it will be able to saturate more than 1gbps

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@vapid dune does discord search work for you?

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Its not working for me

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what the heck, is discord search down?

vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 11:10 PM

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nope not working

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guess it's down

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 11:10 PM

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great, just great lol

vapid dune Dec 9, 2019, 11:11 PM

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oh I you're doing it over fiber and not ethernet

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nvm I just couldn't find any lol

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so 130 + 18*8?

little schooner Dec 9, 2019, 11:16 PM

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the $18 i found was from fs.com

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yeah it would be something like that

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but I already have copper cabling installed so....

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trying to see if its worth re-running or not

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the copper sfp+ i would have to get it from amazon.com for cheaper instead of fs.com

vagrant bloom Dec 10, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Hey guys I just need some help rn with my modem/router set up

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So I got a new CM1000 and realized that it only one Ethernet port

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And I didn't buy a wifi router

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So can I just connect that Ethernet port to one of the ports on my cable provider's all in one router?

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Although it doesn't have a dedicated LAN port

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Just to temporarily give the house some wifi while the router is on its way

fresh copper Dec 10, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Usually, you would connect the one port on a modem to a wan port on a router. This is because the modems with one port are only media converters, not actual routers. Depending on the provider, it may or may not work to connect it to a lan port of a access point. It would be quite dangerous in terms of security to do that even if it did work. I can't really recommend much in this situation

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Also, to go back to the GDrive thing from a few days ago, here is what rclone says as the limitations

Limitations
Drive has quite a lot of rate limiting. This causes rclone to be limited to transferring about 2 files per second only. Individual files may be transferred much faster at 100s of MBytes/s but lots of small files can take a long time.```
I'll also note that the default API key that rclone uses is shared among all people using rclone for GDrive so I would make sure to use your own. While I can't say exactly what these mean for speed, the limitations are 1,000,000,000 API queries per day, 1,000 API queries per 100s per user, and 10,000 API queries per 100s overall

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I believe that beyond the API limit, there is some sort of speed limit as well but I'm not sure what it is at I don't often transfer large files (one of my current backups is going at about 100 kBytes/s because it's a bunch of small configuration files for the most part)

half valley Dec 10, 2019, 2:51 AM

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@little schooner discord staff are working on fixing the search function since the partial Google crash over the weekend

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oh nvm,it works now! or from what i've tested

past prawn Dec 10, 2019, 3:19 AM

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I have Ethernet through outlet like wall plug and it is a lot slower than normal Ethernet, I have a gigabit connection and the adaptors are rated for 1gb but I’m getting around 300 mbps is there anyway to increase that to closer to the full capacity? Please @ me if you do have a fix so I see it

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:19 AM

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good to see someone else using a "wire" rack https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/7188FkFUaeL.jpg

fresh copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:21 AM

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I love those little SFP+ switches. I am thinking of getting one but I have not decided yet

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:22 AM

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@fresh copper I am still on the fence with them, only because their cli is very different compared to other vendors

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I didn't like it the first time with the cameras

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I dont know if i'll like it this time

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but it is an otherwise capable device

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those led lights sure looking BLINDING

deep verge Dec 10, 2019, 3:24 AM

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thats a 4 port sfp switch?

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:25 AM

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sfp+

deep verge Dec 10, 2019, 3:25 AM

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10g?

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:25 AM

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yes

deep verge Dec 10, 2019, 3:25 AM

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how much?

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:25 AM

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133

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ish

deep verge Dec 10, 2019, 3:25 AM

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$133?

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:25 AM

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i have to double check

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i linked it above

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https://www.amazon.com/MikroTik-CRS305-1G-4S-Gigabit-Ethernet-RouterOS/dp/B07LFKGP1L/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=10g+switch&qid=1575932569&sr=8-5

deep verge Dec 10, 2019, 3:26 AM

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i can get a 48 port one for not 10x that price, god damn

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:26 AM

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this one was perfect for me to throw in a in-between point of upstairs and downstairs

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I have it hidden behind couch

deep verge Dec 10, 2019, 3:27 AM

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i mean, ok, but thats expensive as shit

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at least, by my standards

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i got a $50 48 1g + 2 10gb switch

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:27 AM

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that would be too big

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physically to fit where i have it

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honestly, I was really happy to find it, because I was about to consider running new cable to downstairs

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this will save me from doing all that hassle work

deep verge Dec 10, 2019, 3:28 AM

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yea, this is going in a rack, so i didnt give a fuck about much

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:29 AM

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I lack a rack still

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I have wire rack if that counts lol

deep verge Dec 10, 2019, 3:29 AM

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size, ehh, so long as i can mount it, power, ehh, noise, ehh,

fresh copper Dec 10, 2019, 3:29 AM

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Note that it can also route at about 1G so it could be useful if you wanted to get into a little bit of 10G and route a few things

deep verge Dec 10, 2019, 3:29 AM

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i wanted a pair of 10g sfp ports, 48 port rj45, and all of those are managed, so i can use vlans.

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not that i need to

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:30 AM

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mikrotik sells other switch like that

deep verge Dec 10, 2019, 3:30 AM

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for $50?

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:30 AM

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no.

deep verge Dec 10, 2019, 3:30 AM

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didnt think so

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:30 AM

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where did you get it used for that price

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or did you?

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new?

deep verge Dec 10, 2019, 3:30 AM

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ebay

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:30 AM

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sounds about right

deep verge Dec 10, 2019, 3:31 AM

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Quanta LB4M

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:31 AM

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cant say ive heard of that brand

deep verge Dec 10, 2019, 3:31 AM

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i hadn't before i bought this

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it was the cheapest that met the above qualifications of what i wanted

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happens to be dual PSU

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also happens to be L2 only, dont care

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well, it may be L2 only, im really not sure, there is conflicting info there

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really this is just temporary, at some point a Ubiquiti US-48 is gonna come in, no clue when thats gonna happen though

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it was ordered months ago, and it seems its still months out, yay

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:37 AM

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that reminds me of how the 3950x is still out of stock and bh was taking orders and they say they dont know when they will ship

deep verge Dec 10, 2019, 3:37 AM

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this is government shit

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:38 AM

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@fresh copper why is SR fiber sfp+ cheaper than copper sfp+ option?

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I thought copper was cheap to make

deep verge Dec 10, 2019, 3:38 AM

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uhh, wot?

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how long?

little schooner Dec 10, 2019, 3:38 AM

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300m