the station itself is just a rebranded huawei modem
#networking
plush wolf
subtle glen
yeah i know they dont manufacture them but i didnt know it was from huawei
plush wolf
I'm 100% sure but idk where i read it from
from the user manual or the thigns written behind
subtle glen
infostrada uses dlink ones for like adsl and for ftth zyxel ones at the moment
sometimes they send a fritzbox
plush wolf
I'd get a better router if i wasnt about to move
subtle glen
are you moving to an area still covered by open fiber?
subtle glen
😬
plush wolf
im not gonna bring the router with me
subtle glen
im not sure about that xD
plush wolf
this connection is more than enough for me
subtle glen
yeh if you dont have to do fancy stuff like hosting servers etc, a normal connection is fine
thick minnow
I host a server off of my internet, It's kinda risky though.
I've made efforts for it to be harder to find my IP Address though, although it's still possible to find it.
little schooner
A bit risky, yeah, but perhaps the risk can be significantly minimized if you select specific services to be allowed in and out and change any common ports
little schooner
@hollow marlin one of the things I don't like about fs.com is that I don't get replies during the day, only during 1am-6am. I probably need to switch to a sales agent based in the US instead
clear igloo
ouch 😦
waxen scroll
so i get 50sec outage on these F3 card swaps
i wonder if upgrading is easier?
have you tried VPC over two different code levels?
like 6.x and 7.x ?
clear igloo
I have not
clear igloo
It might work but I'm sure it will complain at the least
waxen scroll
if split code wont cause an outage (ill drain the chassis before reboot) then it makes more sense to do that, but it prolongs the project by a lot
clear igloo
Yah, let me ask tomorrow although I know someone had a customer ask about 7.x and 8.x but I'll see if they have any info on 6.x and 7.x
waxen scroll
also i decided to give the f2 -> f3 project to offshore
lol.
still keeping the F1->f3 tho
im not THAT brave
clear igloo
Makes sense, that's a lot more that can go wrong
waxen scroll
one of the things that almost got me but i caught
F1s dont have "switchport" in the config
i ported all that config to F3 and forgot to add that until the end
thats the landmine crap thats waiting in F1->f3
little schooner
My teacher wants to be able to afford something like this to better retain students and teach them Cybersecurity concepts: https://youtu.be/KL7ftZfkhZo
He said they quoted him like $70 per user
hoary lotus
how should i configure a dual socket (6 core xeons with hyperthreading - 24vCores) with 26gb of ram and 12 1tb 15k rpm enterprise drives?
@ping me
hoary lotus
i plan on hosting a game server (minecraft), website, etc im using xenserver (xcp-ng) without any raid, so i wanted to know what the ideal config was
and mostly messing around
waxen scroll
either raid10 or raid5... 10 is more performance but eats more free space
hoary lotus
free space? i doubt i will hit even 1tb for a long time
should i use raid10/5 for the entire system?
little schooner
Use just raid10 if space isn't problem
waxen scroll
best practice is to split it into multiple virtual disks. one raid for hypervisor OS, one raid for VMs. then for them VMs themselves when you create disks you want an OS drive and a data drive
for home use though, whatever one disk, raid10 everything. doesnt matter
the goal is if one of the raids or disks blows up you arent screwed on everything
the hypervisor only really needs raid1 but i havent worked specifically with xenserver, so i'd read the guide
torn frigate
Hi, I got an annoying problem I hope someone can help me with. Some time ago I bought a Zyxel NAS326, it's up and running so no problem there. The problem is Windows 10, as long as I got my Internet Cabel plugged it to the switch (not using a router) I can not get connection to the NAS. If I unplug the internet restart the pc it finds it after a few minutes, and the second I plug in the internet cable again I lose it.
waxen scroll
i assume its an IP problem. when you plug your internet in you need a different IP on your desktop to access it without a router
hoary lotus
thanks
torn frigate
Thing is, its been working on and off, I use to be abel to get it working by runing AiO-SRT_Lite but the last 2 times it dident detect the nas.
plush wolf
Update
something happened and my FTTH doesn't cross 80/60 for some reason
not even standing next to the router
compact current
Inspired by Linus server rack, waiting for a Dell R210 ii to replace the HP slimline at the bottom
Passed the RGB test
waxen scroll
no RGB in mine. i keep mine in a legit closet out of sight
@clear igloo that reminds me. do you find infrastructure sexy anymore? or is it "it is what it is" level for you?
clear igloo
Yah, usually pretty meh
waxen scroll
thats how i am now
for @little schooner the magic is still there
i remember unpacking a million dollar piece of POC equipment from EMC and thinking after 2min.... "thats nice" and ignoring it lol
it was one of those hyperconverged racks
clear igloo
Haha, I remember years back someone dragged like 4 F1 cards (back when F2 was brand new) along the floor and then shoving them into two separate chassis like they could hide that stuff
waxen scroll
lmao
clear igloo
Like the entire back IO of the cards was ///////
waxen scroll
i had 4 F3 cards in my car two weeks ago and was thining to myself... "man.... my car is super valuable right now"
clear igloo
Ha, very nice
waxen scroll
no, the nice thing is i have like 30 of those cards sitting in a room
clear igloo
Or having a box of 30 LR 100Gb optics just sitting on your desk for a week 😛
waxen scroll
i did a ton of trials onm F3 swaps yesterday
including hacks and code upgrades
theres just no way around a massive outage
HSRP is whats really killing me (or some timer hidden away at the VPC level)
when peerlink dies, HSRP actually resets
it doesnt matter that i have vlans on the F3 side on active links
it acts like all my links died
HSRP basically sits there in an init state for a while and then snaps out of it and makes itself active
45sec min packet loss during the whole thing
i thought "ok fine. what if i make a backchannel on spare F2 cards"
new code lets you hitless preempt VPC roles
NOPE. the validations have to pass before it will allow it
ember phoenix
Hola
i need some help with my wifi connection it fluctuates a lot
i live in apartments
radio frequency internet
it has dips like 10-15 mbps in just a minute
i tried changing wifi channels
using the inSSIDer application
it shows my link score as 100 now and my wifi isnt overlapping
the speeds have improved but it still is unstable
i have the results of my speedtests
if anyone can help me it would be greatly appreciated
waxen scroll
is there no way to test using a wire? it could be an issue with the internet service itself, you have to rule out the wireless with a wire
pseudo blade
How can you be sure? @ember phoenix
little schooner
@ember phoenix call them up and throw a hissy fit and see if they can send a technician to fix it
waxen scroll
@little schooner you should be that tech
little schooner
@waxen scroll probably the worst feeling is when the support techs or reps WANT to solve the issue, but the company doesn't let them or give them proper tools to make it happen
Even when hundreds and hundreds of customers complain. That is the worst.
hollow marlin
@little schooner thats a slippery slope sometimes
hollow marlin
tier 1 support techs dont understand a key aspect with troubleshooting
Giving entry level support too much information can lead to worse troubleshooting
waxen scroll
orly
@hollow marlin thats why i dont
someone else troubleshoots for me and talks to L1
xD
little schooner
@hollow marlin heh that's a nice graph you got there
hollow marlin
101% accurate
ember phoenix
@pseudo blade @little schooner thanks for your replies
i have tried a lot of things
i have tried changing channels
i have tried updating software
pseudo blade
Did you try connecting something via a cable to see what the actual uplink speed is?
ember phoenix
@pseudo blade u mean my ethernet to router?
pseudo blade
Yes.
ember phoenix
yes my pc is connected via ethernet
pseudo blade
What speeds does it get?
ember phoenix
let me post an ss of my speedtest results
as you see the variations are way too much
i have tried contacting my isp many times
but the thing is the person im talking to generally doesnt understand what i am saying
@pseudo blade 2 speedtest back was getting upto 50 mbps
and now its 2 mbps
pseudo blade
I can't help but note that each and every one of those tests was not done over ethernet.
hollow marlin
Is it really wired? Speed test is showing wireless
pseudo blade
Tenda Ah, Tenda. I saw a ton of them at government schools around my area. I suspect they had the lowest one.
For a good reason.
ember phoenix
xD
its a cheap ass roouter
@pseudo blade do you think it could be busy channels?
i live in apartments
ember phoenix
i am on ethernet
pseudo blade
So why are you asking about wifi channels?
ember phoenix
but i tried the switching channels thing by using my wifi adapter on my pc
pseudo blade
Unplug the wifi adapter.
pseudo blade
@hollow marlin It apprently just shows that symbol for any non-LTE connection.
hollow marlin
@pseudo blade hmmm...good to know
not sure why they would do that, especially for remote troubleshooting
pseudo blade
Perhaps browsers don't expose a way to tell.
pseudo blade
You said that.
ember phoenix
and there is a modem installed at the top of the roof
that modem sends a wan wire down to the 10th floor
which connects to the router in my room
pseudo blade
Ok.
ornate jungle
Wait, so your internet is wirelessly fed via a cellular or long-range point-to-point WiFi network? If so, even if you wire into your building, your speeds are going to be up and down based on interference.
pseudo blade
And you have control of this modem on the roof?
pseudo blade
Can you change settings on it, do you know what it is...
ember phoenix
not really
pseudo blade
So it's not really a factor that can be changed here.
ember phoenix
the technicians refer to it as the "device" placed on top of the terrace
ember phoenix
@pseudo blade
i did a little digging
there is an antenna at the roof of my tower
which sends an RJ45 cable which is connected to to the WAN port in my router
im guessing the signals are unstable because the Antenna isnt positioned properly
ember phoenix
the RJ45 before connecting to my router goes through a tiny modem
jaunty talon
Damn Arista 7050's are cheap on ebay nowdays :D
waxen scroll
@jaunty talon my current company buys cisco APs from ebay
ugh]
glad im not on the wireless team
clear igloo
lul, ebay for aps, wow
waxen scroll
they dont care about support. if it breaks they find another ebay AP
little schooner
@waxen scroll do they still work without licenses?
What are the licenses for for the ap?
waxen scroll
if there are licenses for APs its all on the controller and its only by number of APs instead of individual APs
jaunty talon
I would do the same tbh, if I was running a AC network or something older
No reason to buy new AP's when you can just have 2 spares for less than cost of one new
Same with buying for example X710-DA2/X520-DA2 cards, would never buy them new when you get them so much cheaper on ebay
Then again if I order a completely new machine I would order it with the card tho :D
little schooner
@waxen scroll okay, so that means updates to AP are free then too?
waxen scroll
As long as you have a maintenance contract. Nothing free
clear igloo
Yup, gotta have that contract
little schooner
They made the process of getting Cisco ios images for my teacher drag on and on
As if they really don't want to supply the needed images for some lab setups
I think its trying to tell me something
waxen scroll
they dont
your lab is likely not under a support contract
the proper way to do it is ask the var for lab pricing on new equipment and negotiate a support contract
my experiences with schools is they use outdated gear
lab pricing can sometimes be like 80% discount
i would like to see schools using modern gear, but in some cases i get it
tho IMO if you're a large university with a sports program, you have 0 excuse not to provide a modern lab
little schooner
@waxen scroll the current university I am at, yes, they have everything well done and dandy
The older community College not so Much
No sports program either
@waxen scroll yeah I don't know any of that stuff. I'm still fresh to workforce
jaunty talon
But then again, you can just ask a friend who has a contract with cisco to download the images =)
There are no validation =)
clear igloo
@jaunty talon Shhhhh 😛
jaunty talon
or anyone on internet really, as the sha sums for files are public you can even verify that you got the right =)
haha =P
clear igloo
It's like the early licenses that are all honor based >.>
jaunty talon
juniper is honor <3
arista also
cisco are the worst with that
TBH i think software should always be free to download, if you got the hardware you should have the right to patch it
clear igloo
I will say, when there are high sev defects/PSIRTS, they do release it for free, just make you jump through a hoop or two which stinks
clear igloo
I think Dell or HP, one of them, are the only large vendors that have downloads for all their products without a contract
jaunty talon
both i think today
but they would loose all their customers to supermicro etc if they didnt
an noone uses force10 anyways :D
clear igloo
True, maybe Dell wants an account or something but then it's free to download
Haha, there are a couple customers I'm sure 😛
jaunty talon
yep :D
and Force10 beats PowerConnect so they're better than before dell networking :D
clear igloo
Trying to nudge my account team to approve some traffic gen order for a 2x400G card :>
jaunty talon
hehe, which supplier?
clear igloo
Yah, right now nothing but I could break it out to 100g for now if needed
jaunty talon
sure
clear igloo
I could have sworn it was 4 port 400G but I can't find it, I might be misremembering though, 2 port isn't exactly compelling
jaunty talon
I think arista has most of the 400G products on the market at the moment
clear igloo
Ah, yes, it was a 4 port, found it 🙂
jaunty talon
7808R3 is neat :D 288x400G
clear igloo
Yah, I saw that, but isn't it OSFP optics on the 400g card?
clear igloo
Hmmm, only linecard for 400G I saw on the market, for now, is OSFP but I didn't look too much
I know QSFP-DD is on the way
jaunty talon
7368X4 does QSFP-DD and/or OSFP
clear igloo
Ah, I see, that chassis gives you the options, yah
jaunty talon
will be interesting when juniper comes with 400G in QFX/PTX
clear igloo
For their other modular linecard chassis though it's OSPF only for the high density stuff
jaunty talon
yep
clear igloo
I'm curious if 800G will end up like 40G, being a stopgap to the next thing or not
I kind of feel like 40G was a "Hey look at me, okay now look at 100G 😄 " kind of thing after just a short period
jaunty talon
yeah :D
the R&D was so small between 40G and 100G and the problem with DWDM suppliers not implementing 40G
clear igloo
That makes sense
Kind of wondering what will be after 800G. I think 1.6Tb on the ethernet roadmap is next but then there is a huge leap to 6.4Tbps I think
clear igloo
Yah, 100G and 400G will probably be here for at least another 5-10 years
clear igloo
Yah
There is a push to keep 400G pretty cheap too from what I hear in the rumblings of rumor land
clear igloo
Yup
DWDM almost always costs but you're packing so much more into that then single p2p links
jaunty talon
yep
always fs =)
My cisco, arista and juniper reps knows that with me :D I always buy one of each optic from them, rest I buy 3rd party
clear igloo
Haha, nice
clear igloo
Put it in when you call TAC 😛
jaunty talon
as some TAC engineers demands change to non 3rdparty each time
that's exactly what I do
if they bitch i just change the optic and tell them same problem still
so far there has not been one case where the 3rd party optic would have been the problem :)
clear igloo
Yah, optics are rarely the issue
jaunty talon
I worked at a US owned company some 6 years ago, where they had in agreement with cisco that they have to buy optics from them :D I showed them how much more worth 3rdparty is and suddenly they removed that from the contract as Cisco didn't want to give a price that matches 3rdparty :D
Was a win for me, could buy more hardware on same budget :D
jaunty talon
cya
hallow quail
I figure DHCP falls under networking. I just finished setting up pi hole as my DHCP server after disabling it on my router. Will the devices I setup with reserved IP addresses eventually switch to them after their current lease expires?
Tried power cycling two devices but they didnt switch to the reserved IP
hollow marlin
What do you mean by reserved address? Static leases?
hallow quail
It’s called DHCP reserved on the pi hole admin page, the devices are not configured as static IP
hollow marlin
DHCP reserved are static leases. They are there to assign a "static IP" through DHCP
You dont want anything in the reservation section
hallow quail
sorry yeah, they call it static lease, I think my router dhcp called it reservation
It’s not really a big deal, I just like knowing certain devices by IP. Hopefully when the dhcp lease renews, they get the static lease IP
hollow marlin
It should be renewing on reboot unless DHCP is still responding on the router. You can always try connected the pi hole directly to a device and see if it hands out the lease
hallow quail
Ug, I just realized what’s going to be my real problem: guest wifi. Gonna have to turn off guest isolation or figure out a work around
radiant shell
Regarding the conversation earlier on the Cisco licences, It would be great if someone could download some firmware for me.
little schooner
@hallow quail vlans is the solution.
waxen scroll
@little schooner tunnel is the solution
hollow marlin
@waxen scroll VXLAN is more like it
little schooner
@waxen scroll Tunnel it to a VLAN. the grand solution
hallow quail
I doubt my consumer grade netgear orbi can do any of that
little schooner
probably not.
I say probably because there might be a way to flash something else on it
Not that I'd recommend it though.
waxen scroll
In Corp network you tunnel it from each ap to a firewall. You don't even let the traffic ride it's open vlan
Safe beneath the watchful eye
🇬🇧
little schooner
Surveillance, my favorite category. I was on a camera spree at some point. We have a total of 6 moderately priced ones
The specs about cameras are interesting.
radiant shell
i bought 5 cisco lap1142n-e-k9 for $30USD at an auction, i have reflashed to standalone IOS but its an old version and it would be great to get the latest available.
hallow quail
there we go, some of my device IP's finally changed
hmm, I switched my phone to guest wifi, forgot my main wifi, and rebooted
seems to work, but I have a feeling stuff is still cached
gonna do the same with my ipad, but leave it off so stuff expires, and then test it again tomorrow
It's possible guest wifi won't be a problem due to the way netgear does guest isolation. From what I googled, it technically doesn't isolate the network they way you would expect it to.
seems kinda pointless
little schooner
If you think the phone is caching it, reboot phone and try incognito mode
hallow quail
hmm, wonder if dhcp and dns protocols are exempt from guest isolation. If I try to access the pi hole admin page via guest wifi, it doesn't work.
I'll have to test it again tomorrow once leases and caches and stuff are expired
little schooner
Well, from my understanding, guest wifi is the equivalent of blocking client-to-client communication at the AP level (maybe some bridge blocking rules), but allowing client to go out to external addresses outside of the currently connected network. It should be simple to do, since going to a destination of another host on the same network uses the mac address of the destination device. If the destination mac isn't one of that that belongs to the router of that network, it will block it
I might be leaving some stuff out, but thats how I understand it
hallow quail
it's possible that netgears implementation is just really shitty on the orbi. There are forum threads of people complaining that it doesn't work
little schooner
dhcp should be exempt, only because it broadcasts a 0.0.0.0 and 255.255.255.255, looking for a dhcp lease
but that too can also be blocked. If there is a setting to configure that, yes it can be blocked. If not, they shouldn't be blocking it. Its unfair if you can't configure that functionality if its blocked by default
hollow marlin
@little schooner Yes, most implementations are bridge/mac filtering between guest and LAN, essential deny Guest-LAN, allow Guest-any
little schooner
@hollow marlin and the way it can allow it to hit the router is because it reads the value it has for "default gateway" and allows that mac address for guest traffic to at least hit the router too
that sound about right?
"If the DG is 10.0.0.1, I will get 10.0.0.1 MAC address and put a permit rule so Guest traffic can leave to internet"
something like that
hollow marlin
Yep, different between vendors but same concept
Like mikrotik is a block forward chain, so an input chain doesnt even apply, AKA, the router's interface and the packet is let through
little schooner
oh yes, that is different.
hallow quail
but the pi hole is LAN, so you’d think guest wifi wouldnt be able to hit it
hallow quail
nope, router is .8.1 and pi hole is 8.31 which is also setup as dhcp for network
little schooner
so the dhcp will go through but after that, dns cannot be used since its on a different lan device
because the assumption is that the router is also handling dns in most consumer networks
hallow quail
oh, let me try my work laptop, it’s been off network for several days
hollow marlin
Easiest thing for pi hole is to just add the pi holes address as the dns primary in the router
hallow quail
yep, that’s what I did
I guess somehow dhcp and dns works across netgear’s guest wifi “isolation”
so crisis averted
little schooner
That's what we like to hear @hallow quail
hallow quail
I've had the pi hole for a few hours and loving how much it's blocking
glacial garnet
Wait until you implement some additional custom lists
strange silo
@clear igloo Are the Cisco 4900M switches still any good? Got one free out of our junk pile, comes with all the WS-X4908-10GE cards and X2 modules + optics with the V2 modules (mix of the old and new)
strange silo
@clear igloo Also our network arch was over at Huawei HQ last week looking at the cool new stuff, they've got a switch chassis that has some crazy amount of direct LC fibre ports (forget how many but it's a lot) that take 40 wavelengths per port at 400Gb (40x 400Gb per port). So the whole thing has many many times more bandwidth than the entire of NZ and all the undersea cables in and out of it lol
clear igloo
@strange silo If you can use the 10G ports on them, they aren't bad
clear igloo
Yah, true, 2RU just to get 24 or whatever 10G ports on X2 is probably going to be more hungry than most
strange silo
There's actually 4 of them but I don't want that many
plus I also grabbed 2 HP A5800 24G SFP 4x10G SFP+ switches
that also have an expansion slot for 4 more SFP+ ports, those only use 300W PSUs
clear igloo
Nice
strange silo
also grabbed 2 2960S PoE+ cos why not, no idea if I'll ever need PoE but if I do I have it 🙂
strange silo
Eyeing up the HPE 5900AF-48XG-4QSFP+ ones coming out soon
And the 40Gb distribution switches, forget what those are
clear igloo
nice
strange silo
no actual plans on what I'll use em for, but I want them
clear igloo
Toss in some Spirent 8 port QSFP-DD-8 linecards too 😛
strange silo
haha don't even have anything like that going in let alone coming out
clear igloo
lol, and of course the Spirent website is down now
strange silo
We're HW anyway now so Optix OSN 9800 what ever cards would be 'equiv'
*with free data backup
cough
clear igloo
Spirent is traffic gen 😛
strange silo
never get in the way of a HW joke 🙂
strange silo
I'd ask but living is nicer
clear igloo
ooof
strange silo
They have monitoring tool that integrates with their switches and mirrors all TCP SYN/ACK/FIN packets that come in and out of every port to an analysis server so you can track data flows between apps/server across each hop
I'm sure that cannot be modified at all.....
for other purposes
strange silo
what isn't a copy of someone elses thing?
strange silo
Made in China
clear igloo
😦
strange silo
What makes no sense to me at all is the push to use GPON in enterprise to the desktop
clear igloo
That is a bit weird, like all the way to the desktop or just to the home?
clear igloo
o.O
clear igloo
dafuq? That's insane
strange silo
how does it save money
clear igloo
I can't even fathom that
strange silo
they even have IP cameras with GPON SFP ports
which means they need additional power
clear igloo
but why....
I mean, for remote locations, MAYBE it makes sense, but in 99.99% of cases, no
strange silo
the reference customer pictures looked so jank
cages over the ONTs to prevent damage
worst shoe horn a technology in to an improper use case I've seen
clear igloo
Lets just put QSFP's in all the cameras next
hollow marlin
@strange silo who in their right mind would ever suggest GPON to the desktop?
little schooner
It should be illegal to use slow storage subsystems in servers. I can't believe this server with raid 1 10k drives is soo slow
pseudo blade
I can. Random IO on a 10k drive is no fun at all and RAID 1 does not increase speed.
GPON to the desktop Wow, I always wanted to go back to the good ol' days where we used actual hubs everywhere and we had to deal with collision domains
@strange silo What makes no sense to me at all is the push to use GPON in enterprise to the desktop Methinks someone had an unfortunate surplus of GPON equipment they wished to offload.
little schooner
@pseudo blade the rest of the drives are raid10 but we need more drives for this to make sense
We have slots that are not filled
wraith plank
i have a queastion.... i'm currently designing a program that needs to work over WAN with portforwarding and iprouting. my question is in the listener ip do i put my wan ip/domain or my lan ip. this program is a server and i would have a client that is connecting the server
cloud zinc
the public ip,
than forward the port to the lan ip
carmine brook
What is the best VPN?
Like actually!
Not concerned with it being the cheapest, but the best.
little schooner
Private internet access has vastly improved
I would say them
I wouldnt say that one year ago
They were plagued with bandwidth problems
carmine brook
Yeh, I keep hearing that ExressVPN is the best.
And then NordVPN, which is probably based on the best price savings for the 3-year plan.
But idk tbh
little schooner
I tried nordvpn, I wanted to like them but, alas, I also encountered some bandwidth issues with them too
sec getting screencap
On VPN closest to me, the lower speed is single connection, higher speed is multi connection. Over wifi and VPN
My real isp speed is 180mbps
Compared to last year the speed was only up to 10mbps max
@carmine brook
untold oak
I want my isp to give me higher upstream, but they won't budge ;(
hollow marlin
How much are you looking to get?
waxen scroll
2gb symm
hollow marlin
Blame carrier vendor equipment with asymmetrical uplinks. Carriers are not really the problem
Its not my fault GPON is 2.4/1.2 with 32-64 available PEs
hallow quail
I've used PIA for years now and they've always been super fast.
At least 8-10 MBps fast
little schooner
@hollow marlin also the fact that Comcast keeps increasing prices every year even if your internet only customer
Pay more for the same thing. It's a disgusting tactic
Wait until the fiber isp comes here and then see what they have to say
hollow marlin
I cant disagree about that
little schooner
They offer free install and no modem rental
But now I wonder where are they going to install the whole thing...
hollow marlin
If you saw the cost in an ISP you would realize why prices are what they are
little schooner
@hollow marlin well how does the fiber isp get it cheaper?
hollow marlin
We have free installs but the cost are factored in elsewhere
little schooner
They quoted 50 per month flat for 150/150
hollow marlin
Thats about right
hollow marlin
Say for our Calix AE 24p blade, blade itself is about $10k, 24 CFPs (fancy SFPs), $10k, ONTs, $200/per so $4800, another $1k or two on 10gig uplinks, patches, cross connects, DC in DEMARK, chassis, alarms......
havent even gotten to labor yet which will raise that single blade to over $100k
Just for 24 customers at 120/month is $3600/month so just over 2 years before you even break even. Not including troubleshooting, fiber repairs, customers damaging equipment....
GPON cuts that cost in half, but also you go from gig sym per customer to 2.4/1.2 per 32 customers
@little schooner so while we are a mid sized ISP, the ones coming in with those lower prices, its devistating in the short term and honestly it will kill all future competition. Prices will soon get so low its going to hurt ISP sustainability
little schooner
Those sure are a lot of costs to factor in
hollow marlin
Im not even covering pre-sales cost (design, planning)
There are a ton of cost and while people might think we make bank, that money is constantly being put into the next DEMARK, router or switch to handle more customers, while all simultaneously replacing older equipment
Please note this is not to say ISPs like Comcast and Spectrum are innocent
Like $100/month DSL 3/1 is fucking BS, but you would cringe if I showed you the cost to maintain copper lines
strange silo
Copper needs to be pulled out and burnt in a ritual fire, cost be damned
thick minnow
Lol my ISP has more upload than download speed.
worldly lantern
God Cloudflare warp is BAD
This is with warp+ and symmetrical 100 FTTP
Just found why. It's relaying the traffic through the USofA, and I'm in Europe 
small prism
yall, I found a manged switch for only $30 and I can't decide whether or not to get it. anyone have views on the benefits of managed v unmanaged switches?
severe wigeon
what kind of network you got?
carmine moss
and what switch is it it could be bad
ruby heath
Hello, i didnt saw this channel and i asked on tech support. I have a problem if anyone can help. I set my ISP modem to DMZ and added a router to manage ports etc. But my internet speed went down from 100mb to 10mb. If i connect to the ISP modem, i have 100mb, but if i switch back to the router i have 10mb. Im using cat 5e cables, i have no bandwidth restrictions at all. I cant figure out why the speed downgrade, i googled for hours and still cant find any solution for it. Any help/suggestion/advice would be really appreciated.
worldly lantern
Are you sure the cable is ok? Maybe you are running only at 10mbps link speed between the two
little schooner
@ruby heath the router could be only 10 mbps ports? That will do it. Is it old?
Or maybe the cable has broken pins and it doesn't negotiate to 100 meg
small prism
This is the switch I found, Netgear 8-Port Gigabit Ethernet Smart Managed Plus Switch (GSS108E). I just have a basic home network but I wanted to practice using a managed switch. If it won’t really give any benefit then I’ll probably go with an unmanaged
clear igloo
@small prism No benefit unless you need VLANs or something
carmine moss
for 30 usd it's ok it probably won't give a benefit but its probably very basic management but not the worst
clear igloo
Yah, if you need basic management for something then it will get the job done for $30
small prism
Thanks!
carmine moss
it's around the same price i paid for my 8 port unmanaged switch but it will do the job
little schooner
@clear igloo and I read that being able to set a management vlan is also a feature that cost more
It's ridiculous
clear igloo
@little schooner Management VLAN should never be a "feature" since it can be any vlan. A switch that supports VRFs for management and other things would be something I expect to see as you go up in price though
little schooner
Yes that seems more reasonable
little schooner
@clear igloo the company was netgear I believe
The non T versions couldn't set management vlan
Dlink never made this mistake
clear igloo
Weird, maybe on really low end stuff they try to segment it more for $$$
little schooner
Yeah real likely
@clear igloo is it a sound idea to install the network cabinet close to where the electric panel for a home is?
But of course space it like a couple feet in my case.
Bad or good idea?
clear igloo
For a home electrical panel, probably not much harm at a couple feet away
little schooner
@clear igloo because the fiber isp is going to ask me "Where do you want the fiber to come in?" and I didn't give much thought into it
clear igloo
Yah, I don't see much harm there, especially if things are properly installed
little schooner
@clear igloo the last isp basically drill a hole through my siding instead of running it through the attic
They took the easy way out
clear igloo
Easy is cheap 😛
little schooner
Hehe
I'd seriously pay for them to do it right
But again, I must be mindful of my budget at the same time
clear igloo
Yah
I pre-ran a line down to my crawl space since I knew I would probably end up with fiber one day so it made the ISP's job a bit easier, and I didn't have to deal with trying to rip a bunch of stuff up
ruby heath
Hello, about my issue with not having 100mb from my router but only 10mb. I just checked my router features and is says "Provides 1 10/100mbps Auto-Negotiation Ethernet and 3 10/100mbps LAN auto bla bla ports
Maybe thats my problem? my router does not support 100mb from the router to my pc? even tho i have 100mb from ISP'?
little schooner
@ruby heath well, you should be getting 100meg link (not internet speed, just cable speed). Are you saying it's not negotiating to 100mbps?
The isp speed is a whole different thing, you need to try plugging directly into modem and do a speedtest to rule out the modem being the problem
If it's still 10 mbps, use a different ethernet cable. If still, it's time to complain to isp
ruby heath
Well, is seems it was this silly config right here. for some reason it was at 10mb and not 1gb
🙂
ruby heath
In one of the tuts i read, it said i should try set it to autonegotiate, but that didnt work either, so o left it be. And just now, messing around i saw the 1gb full duplex option, tried it and solved the problem 😛
But i got something really nice from this experience, i finally joined LTT discord after years of being a sub lol.
little schooner
Very great
little schooner
Edgeswitch doesnt have a very configurable port security setting. It's simply protect and thats it.
There is no ability for shutdown
I want to replace it with a fs.com switch
Badly.
hallow quail
Looks like it’s time to bug my IT contact to request port security be disabled for my cubicle.
sly mason
Upgrading my network equipment this weekend.
pseudo blade
SMH doesn't say from what and to what
sly mason
Such is what happens when I get pulled away.
The current setup is a terrible mishmash of old equipment which by the time it gets from the router down to me loses 2/3 of its speed.
little schooner
@sly mason so to give better perspective, you are going from a 10meg network to 1gbps network
Now I know it's an upgrade
strange silo
Due to lack of information I'm going to assume he's upgrading to Nexus 3432D-S switches
clear igloo
@strange silo I concur
pine nimbus
I need help with my wifi
waxen scroll
( ͡≖ ل͜ ͡≖)
inner crag
what you need help with @pine nimbus
viscid axle
funny thing happened
my usb wifi antena suddenly died
and im currently in the middle of a move
so no ethernet
and in my luck i found an old router in the basement
and spent an afternoon flashing dd wrt onto it and converting it into a wireless adapter
pseudo blade
@viscid axle My favourite trick is using USB tethering on a phone with mobile data turned off, connected to wifi to provide internet to a machine that has a nonfunctional wireless card etc.
pseudo blade
It has been very useful to me on multiple occasions.
plucky marlin
I've finally gotten around to updating my Windows 10 PCs and of course, now my link aggregation is no longer functional and I can't make it functional as the Intel installer thinks my valid NIC is not...
So instead of teaming NICS on two PCs, is it possible to direct connect two PCs and have another cable in each going to the main network?
A horrendous diagram to show exactly what I mean...
*And reap the benefits of multiple connected cables. Ie. higher speeds and/or more concurrent connections (at higher overall speed).
little schooner
@plucky marlin well, if you are using SMB for file sharing, windows 10 uses a technology called smb multichannel that can increase throughout to LAG speeds, but it's not always that reliable.
Also, Intel drivers on latest windows 10 desktop is completely broken. You can't use GUI to configure the things that once were configurable. Now you have to use powershell to do any of them. But also, some cmdlets are broken due to Intels poor network driver.
plucky marlin
Ah, is that what's up? I got teaming working on my not-entirely-supported NIC in my main PC via Powershell but could do it properly with the GUI on my "server".
Obviously, I've now updated and neither is working so both are broken and I couldn't even get the server working with Powershell.
As for SMB, how do I configure it correctly? If I copy a couple of files right now with them literally just plugged in as that diagram shows, would it theoretically work? *Because it doesn't appear to be. @little schooner
waxen scroll
you might try using a virtual bridge device on both PCs and run spanning tree i guess
but honestly i havent labbed it. if that doesnt work, what you're asking isnt possible as far as my knowledge
stolen from google
hallow nimbus
I could do that for 20Gbit to my server 👀
waxen scroll
it wont be 20G, its not an agg
spanning tree will block one path
probably the middle
also your switch needs to run spanning tree but considering you mentioned port channel i assume it does
brings me to the last problem. does a windows bridge run spanning tree?
i believe linux does
hallow nimbus
PRob time to test that out 😂
waxen scroll
be my guest, im not spending cycles on it. i would like to have a laugh so do share
waxen scroll
guess i need to tag them, i thought this was from an hour ago @plucky marlin
little schooner
@plucky marlin sorry. I was referring to Intel driver support on the consumer versions of windows. Server version had no issue since Microsoft provides that functionality.
As for smb configuration, the client and server must support at least SMB v2, have network cards that have rss support and be on the same subnet... From what I remember
plucky marlin
Thanks guys. And yes, I have everything muted so tags are necessary. As for what's compatible - @little schooner both are running latest version of Windows 10 (as that's what's causing the problems) and comply with what you said except for RSS as I have no idea.
@waxen scroll So you're suggesting I bridge the direct connection and the LAN connection on both PCs and see what happens?
little schooner
Yeah, without RSS, it doesn't work. So it is not a solution.
@plucky marlin Run this command and see what the output is: Get-SmbClientNetworkInterface
plucky marlin
Showing true for my main PC...
little schooner
Okay, now try this one Get-NetAdapterRSS
Look in the Queues section. Is it more than 1?
plucky marlin
And only true for ONE of the ports on my server.
little schooner
pseudo blade
Infiniband, eh?
plucky marlin
I'm not getting a similar output?
little schooner
I am unable to check because I have intel broken network driver installed
the view might be different
my powershell commands dont run
pseudo blade
smh just use linux boxes for all your routing and bridging :P
little schooner
@plucky marlin and whats your first screenshot of the other command?
that was true for one of them?
plucky marlin
Top one is Killer NIC that I'm not using.
And that's the server.
First one is main PC.
little schooner
Your main PC should be good. As it supports at least more than 1 queue to make another tcp connection request for more speed with file transfer. But your server only has one network adapter that is rss
it needs two for it to really be supported with multichannel
Im assuming that your server nic only has one port?
on one card and another card the same?
@plucky marlin
plucky marlin
No, the server has an MSI Big Bang Xpower II motherboard with two NICs on it.
One is Intel 82579V and the other is Intel 82574L or something along those lines.
And pre-update, link aggregation worked as long as I configured it from the correct NIC (in the GUI).
pseudo blade
82579V... Intel handicapped that one with Windows Server as a screw-you.
plucky marlin
Haha, no surprises there.
little schooner
Yes based on the datasheet, that only has one RSS queue...
so its not RSS capable to Windows.
The 1GbE adapter supports RSS, but only offers 1 queue, so SMB treats it as non-RSS.
plucky marlin
I've got some other Broadcom NIC that may or may not work. Is there any chance it could work?
little schooner
yes it could work
well, what model of broadcom nic is it?
it has to be one that support rss
with at least 2 queues
pseudo blade
I mean a (shitty) solution is an equal-cost pair of tunnels, if CPU usage isn't too important.
little schooner
@pseudo blade I am still surprised how much work can be done off an 8th gen dual core i3
pseudo blade
How's it going?
little schooner
very well. I bought a new nuc the other day and its been running superb
the nuc8i3 model
pseudo blade
It'd be fast, just not to the requirements you specified.
little schooner
@pseudo blade it even has thunderbolt 3 port
pseudo blade
That said, you were asking for a lot.
plucky marlin
Not sure what you're meaning with the two tunnels, @pseudo blade
And how much CPU usage are we talking? Quad-core HT on main and hex-core HT on server, both above 4GHz.
little schooner
@plucky marlin which broadcom model spare did you have lying around?
plucky marlin
Honestly have no idea what the actual model is. Shall I just install it and run those commands?
pseudo blade
I mean you can't really go wrong trying.
plucky marlin
Unless it blows my PC up, of course. Haha
I'll report back in a bit.
Haha. Feels wrong plugging a 1x NIC into a 16x slot...
Well that isn't RSS capable. No surprise there.
Am I stuck with no improved performance, then? One of you mentioned spanning tree - how does that work and would it help? Looks like my switch does support it.
little schooner
Well, the goal of spanning tree is to prevent loops in a network. If you have two connections from a single computer to the switch, it will block one of them to prevent frames and packets from looping in your network endlessly
plucky marlin
Oh, is that all it does.
little schooner
It wouldn't give you a speedboost, it will use it for failover
plucky marlin
Yeah, I was just typing that.
Might as well, then, I guess?
Do I just enable it or do I have to configure it?
little schooner
By default, switches generally have it enabled
plucky marlin
Haha. I'm new to managed switches so didn't think that'd be a thing. I guess I should disable my link aggregation groups on those ports, though?
little schooner
Just plug in your cables to the ports and it should work on its own
Yes, disable LAG if you aren't using it
Spanning tree will not disable the second connection to the switch if its part of a LAG group
little schooner
The only Zyxel networking gear I ever bought was the powerline adapter
It worked for what it was worth
plucky marlin
I bought this because it was cheap and did what I needed it to.
I don't like spending money but needed an improvement on the old network setup. Haha.
little schooner
yeah. hey if its working, its power to you
The best solutions are the ones that can be afforded
plucky marlin
The thing is, I can afford to spend more money in things. I can just never justify it. Haha!
That's why I've not upgraded to a 2080Ti yet.
My 980Ti is just about holding up.
little schooner
same. I am waiting for the next iteration of nvidia gpu
i do 4k game, but waiting for a better card
The 2080ti still struggles
plucky marlin
Yeah, I'm thinking I should wait, but I keep playing Elite Dangerous in VR and my 980Ti is really struggling on the Valve Index. Haha.
pseudo blade
It looks meh, but hey, cheap.
little schooner
@pseudo blade like how mikrotik is cheap
plucky marlin
Anyways, looks like spanning tree might be disabled by default... But if I enable it it greys out something called "BPDU forward".
pseudo blade
The Zyxel gear doesn't really compare as far as I can tell. Mikrotik stuff's actually more expensive, but better software if you ditch SwOS, which is also kinda trash.
little schooner
but bdpu forward is the messages that switches send when doing the whole spanning tree root bridge process
plucky marlin
little schooner
@plucky marlin
clear igloo
BPDU forwarding is only needed if you don't have spanning-tree on since you would want to pass the BPDUs for spanning tree from connected switches but when you enable it then the switch will act on the BPDUs and not just pass them alone
pseudo blade
Can you get two connections to the switch from each system?
Or does one have to go directly between?
little schooner
@plucky marlin well, enabling it will not let you use two different connections to the same switch
spanning tree will block one of them
plucky marlin
Ok, both are connected to the switch twice and you're all still here.
So I guess it's working.
little schooner
It should still work, but only one path to the switch is possible
not a looped path
plucky marlin
Yeah, but having failover is nice since I don't think there's any way I can get increased performance anymore.
little schooner
yeah it is great.
plucky marlin
And since I have the hardware, I might as well use it, eh?
little schooner
yes
pseudo blade
Yeah, likely STP kicked in. Y'know, does the 2gbps have to be for a single file, or is it lots of tiny things you could split between two connections?
plucky marlin
And if I win the lottery, then I'll come on here and find out all the stuff I really need. Haha
little schooner
I feel as though 10g is starting to feel slow
my nvme can do 3GB/s
so I need more...
pseudo blade
Meanwhile, in Australia...
plucky marlin
Ideally, I'd love 2gbps (or more - 25gbps sounds nice) per file/connection, but I was under the impression that it wasn't possible so just went with static teamed NICs, I got 112MB/s to two devices at once and was happy.
pseudo blade
Yeah, that's gigabit per.
little schooner
It is possible, just need the multichannel thing
plucky marlin
But now Windows likes to make people unhappy so I can't get any speed improvement.
Ah well, or that.
So if I spend another £35 on this NIC I have in my main PC I could get doubled performance?
little schooner
I use an old intel x540 nic for 10g connection
plucky marlin
Again - it's cheap shit but in theory does what it needs to.
pseudo blade
You can get 2gbps, it's just ugly.
little schooner
@plucky marlin ebay
@plucky marlin one that supports RSS, based on what microsoft's own team says
plucky marlin
And the other thing is if I went down the 10Gbps route, I'd need to replace the switch again - or get another one for the 10Gbps stuff.
little schooner
or a switch that has multi-gig support
like 2.5
but i wonder if that has to be supported by the NIC itself?
clear igloo
Yes
clear igloo
My x570 mobo has a 2.5Gbit NIC 🙂
plucky marlin
"24 x 10/100/1000" no luck there for me.
pseudo blade
I'd be looking at the aquantia 10gbe cards, not that expensive.
clear igloo
Yah, those are like $70 or $80 each which is dang cheap
pseudo blade
It does now.
plucky marlin
Oh, one thing I didn't think of - with my current config, it won't keep the same IP if one device fails, will it?
pseudo blade
New driver, Xeon.
plucky marlin
Unless I set a DHCP lease in my router, to be the same for each MAC?
pseudo blade
No that'll screw things up.
plucky marlin
Yeah, I thought so.
pseudo blade
Don't do that.
plucky marlin
So if the link goes down, my IP will change?
And how do I make sure Windows is using the right one?
clear igloo
Windows will decide for you 😛
pseudo blade
Yeah, it's kinda... Whatever Windows feels like.
plucky marlin
Ha... Guess what. Clearly Windows doesn't like me. Can't connect to my server.
clear igloo
You could set a metric for each interface to make sure its deterministic
plucky marlin
What kind of metric where and how?
And whatever I've got working now seems to be working so I'm tempted to just leave it. Though my server isn't finding a network on the second port so I'm wondering if I've configured both to the same IP in my DHCP leases or something.
But I can connect so meh.
clear igloo
Under the interface, on a Windows machine, you can set the metric. Let me dig up what menu it's buried under
Right click the adapter > Properties > IPv4 > Properties > Advanced > Uncheck "Automatic Metric" > Set the preferred NIC to 1 and the other NIC to 50 or something
@waxen scroll 😗
pseudo blade
Do you still have bridging enabled?
If so that's why the second interface sees nothing.
pseudo blade
And it's all over product descriptions and their site, so I'd suspect it's not just esxi.
plucky marlin
@clear igloo Perfect, thanks.
An error occurred while renewing interface Ethernet 2 : The object already exists.```
Well done, Windows... Well done.
ivory ether
Can i have one moca cable split and connect to two computers? Or is moca analog or what? Will that work?
little schooner
I have a physics exam Monday, but all I really want to work with are esxi server and groups of routers and switches this weekend :(
I made the study guide and everything but this is annoying to have to do non related work for networking degree
pseudo blade
Well that's kinda strange.
It actually tries to download all system packages twice, install them twice, rollback twice...
This one was the one I was testing on v7, must've messed it up a bit. Oh well, Netinstall's always there if I must.
naive meadow
Don’t you love it when your neighbors are getting fibre installed and it screws up the entire fibre infrastructure of the street you live on
hallow nimbus
😂 😂
hallow nimbus
Only gigabit speeds rip
viscid axle
I'm thinking with going with a 16xg from ubiquiti
Moving into a new house and it has no LAN cabling at all so I have to lay it myself
And while I am at it I'm future proofing it all with 10gbit lines
little schooner
Ubiquiti has a quality problem with their switches.
@viscid axle I'd get one of those 4port sfp+ mikrotik switch and another switch from fs.com with 4 sfp+
Then I have those spare 3 sfp+ ports for something else like more switches lol
little schooner
@waxen scroll for the i3 model?
little schooner
For i3, I paid exactly 427.18 for ram (8g), NVMe and i3 nuc8
waxen scroll
my application is database read/write heavy so poor SDcards
little schooner
All new not used
The NVMe was not that expensive but it was only 250GB
I didn't need too much
little schooner
@waxen scroll I hope to see price per gigabyte drops to a point where 10TB in HDD is equivalent to MLC SSD (I know, this might take a long time). This is so I can exclusively use a small enclosure like the NUC for a server instead of a giant tower like I have now
Since it also has thunderbolt 3, I can get a 10G adapter for it too
inner notch
I have some (lots) of questions about setting up a Pi Hole to work with a VPN to block ads for me anywhere. Is this the right place for that sort of thing?
inner notch
I already have the Pi Hole set up to work in my home, but I travel a lot for work and am interested in setting up a VPN so I can also use it while I'm away.
little schooner
@inner notch I would say simply putting in your PiHole DNS Server as part of the OpenVPN DNS Server handout configuration of your OpenVPN server should do the trick
In pfsense, that is a check box but I think it's called push "dhcp-option DNS 10.66.0.4" as example
inner notch
So I have OpenVPN installed, but when I open it it gives me an error message saying I need to import configuration files
little schooner
Yes, you need a client config file imported to the directory they listed in that dialog box
You make it based on the config of your OpenVPN server
Or if your server has a config generator, make it from that
It's like a .ovpn file
inner notch
How do I make that?
Sorry, I'm trying to read guides and stuff, but I end up googling half the words in each sentence I read. It's about a mile or two over my head
little schooner
You can use this as a template for client config: https://github.com/OpenVPN/openvpn/blob/master/sample/sample-config-files/client.conf
Change the uncommented stuff with your information
Like where it says "remote my-server-1 1194", my-server-1 is a DNS name or IP address of your OpenVPN server and followed that is the port number server listens on for incoming connections
inner notch
Do I have to have a Linux system to set up an OpenVPN server?
Or how do I set that up?
little schooner
@inner notch Linux server, it's own appliance or on something like a router box like OPNsense or PFsense
It can be hosted free with Google free tier cloud instance server
But there are many options, not necessarily one way of doing it
inner notch
Ah, gotcha. Thanks for your help
This is getting really complicated, really fast. Lol
little schooner
@inner notch the easiest way is to use something like pfsense, which has a wizard and easy GUI to make setting up server fast
Some people don't like this solution.... But it is a solution
I have it, single interface, and port open with NAT that the connection requests hit
The firewall rules get a little tricky but it works
viscid axle
Does the QC issue of ubiquiti switches extend to their other products?
little schooner
@viscid axle I would say their access points are their best hardware line that gets the most updates.
@viscid axle looking through the forums, it seems like the latest v1 version for Edgerouter still has showstopper bugs that make it not fun to support in an enterprise setting
Things that should be finished are not yet they call it GA release. That's just not how it works
ivory ether
Is moca analog?
waxen scroll
should be digital
thick minnow
Hey is it okay for me to link a reddit link to my question instead of rewriting it?
waxen scroll
no rules against it
waxen scroll
i use an ER4 myself
the only thing to watch with ER specifically (and maybe other routers too) is IPv6 firewall is not on by default and with UBNT its not GUI based
at my peak i have 6 users, three IPTV streams, and maybe a netflix. i dont have issues, i dont use QoS, when a download of mine takes up a large chunk of the pipe, nobody watching TV notices
my internet service is 150
thick minnow
oh thats not bad. ill more than likely have the full fat 940 (theoretically) that my provider offers. 5-7 users with a smart phone each. a few consoles and at least 2 smart tvs. 4 laptops and one ipad. sounds like it should work well for me then, especially with the IoT devices.. Nice rack there. you use the spf cabling? whats the difference
waxen scroll
spf? you mean sfp?
thick minnow
yes that's what I meant. Is there a difference in signal strength from copper to that?
waxen scroll
no. theres also no advantage to it in my setup. the max speed of the port is 1G. a more expensive switch will do 10G
thick minnow
ah. No real need on my end either.
waxen scroll
since im out of ports i could perhaps buy some copper SFPs for two more ports
thick minnow
how much do you have wired up for?
waxen scroll
i have 22 jacks around the house
thick minnow
nice.
i wish i had one more jack in my new room. I want to wire my pc and my ps4 into the wall, but I have a cheap 4 port switch i use now.
waxen scroll
i did all the work myself.... cost guess is under $1k
i also got lucky and found an unused pipe from the basement to attic
thick minnow
nice!
waxen scroll
i think the next home owner will destroy it all
lol
or more likely, let comcast or ATT destroy it
all i know is, im not including any equipment. taking all of it
thick minnow
I think that the Ruckus 510's we will have in the house will be sufficient enough for my families needs, just need a decent router, and to find a new modem or have the cable company provide me with one. They gave us a tall box type one now. It won't fit in my panel.
yeah. The company's wont care to keep it nice
hollow marlin
@waxen scroll just think one day after you take the equipment out someones going to slap a Belkin in that bad boy with ATT handing the modem off the coax
waxen scroll
i mean as long as they use it
hollow marlin
Nah its going to be 1ft to the left of it because its too much hastle
waxen scroll
the problem though is they need to be smart about how they use it.... if they use an all in one it should go upstairs and not basement for signal reasons
hollow marlin
You dont know the general population do you
waxen scroll
i do. thats why i'm highly paid
hollow marlin
Then you know they'll slap that shit in the basement then blame their ISP for the shitty service on FB
waxen scroll
honestly im expecting them to use coax and slap it inside of their TV cabinet
comcast is the only realistic game in town. has been since this neighborhood was built
thick minnow
All the karens in the world will be the death of the isps
waxen scroll
i have no ATT drop to the house
i could get one, but 25mbit DSL for $60? whose gonna buy that
thick minnow
that sucks
I lucked out and have at least two or three big companies and a few local ISPs to choose from. Cox being (my opinion) the best choice atm
waxen scroll
i get 270mbit on my speed tests and am paying $50/m
hollow marlin
But $60 25/1 is cheaper than $80 100/5
People look at the cost, not the funny numbers after it
waxen scroll
ATT fiber just rolled a crapload of infra near my house but not in my neighborhood... so comcast is fucked if that happens
thick minnow
yeah... people don't know how to read the fine print for this stuff. They can't understand it. Hence why Apple products are (imho) is a boutique brand now
hollow marlin
Verizon doing the same here
thick minnow
good. they deserve to have competiton
hollow marlin
They have laid more fiber in the past 3 months than we have in 2 years
waxen scroll
infact if i go to ATT right now they refuse to sell me any kind of internet
not even DSL
that wasnt the case last year
hollow marlin
They dont want to deal with it
Fibers "just around the corner" time wise. Copper cost to much even when laid
thick minnow
what do you mean they refuse to sell?
waxen scroll
i like all the people telling you "oh, just buy a $1000 dell server. server HW is better at packets"
lmao
thick minnow
you talking about my reddit post? I saw that and I choked on my drink like "Am I made of money?"
waxen scroll
yes
i also believe, but dont quote me, CPU based forwarding is locked to one thread? so if you max that shit your poor little thread wont take much
im too lazy to test it
hollow marlin
Sure is
thick minnow
I mean, for PFsense I have an old A10 apu machine that i could retrofit for it, but thats a bit too much power I think, and mostly space for it. I'd like to try it out sometime, but I'd rather get an "easy" to use, purpose built router with a firewall.
my father is good at plugging in an off the shelf router like our current ac3100, but my mother is inept at tech. Not her fault mostly due to meds that screw with her short term memory.
hollow marlin
I dont see a point in PFsense for home use honesty. Power and heat alone is not worth it. Especially when you can buy a hAP ac2 and route a gig for $60 at 10w
thick minnow
whats that?
hollow marlin
Mikrotik hAP ac2
waxen scroll
my dad can follow prompts for all that stuff but he doesnt know why he needs to choose one choice over another.... he added a wifi extender to my network, poorly, and didnt tell me he was doing it
thick minnow
That sounds painful.
waxen scroll
it is
power is why i dont run my server 24/7 anymore. i put the one app that needs to on an RPI
i notice the power bill difference
thick minnow
yeah... thats why I don't have anything run full time either. Only thing I would have is a plex server, but with Disney + coming, I have even less incentive now if they have all the films.
speaking of RPi, can you use pi hole with the edge router?
hollow marlin
My city has the 2nd or 3rd cheapest electricity in the US and I still refuse to run any sort server equipment 24/7
waxen scroll
shoutout to https://www.home-assistant.io/ 😉 :3
hollow marlin
You can use PI hole with anything
waxen scroll
my internet of shit can all proxy talk to eachother
thick minnow
this is what my home will be getting installed already.
So Pihole the gui devices, and vlan the others to hid behind a firewall is the plan. I hope I make sense
Found this video here which is why I thought of ER-4
waxen scroll
did they prewire for an alarm system? or does it have one?
thick minnow
no alarm. thinking of doing ring devices or go through cox and use their smart home. It's cheaper in the long run for my parents it seems. instead of piece mealing it.
waxen scroll
i installed my own system, all wired... like 40 sensors... the nice thing is with many of these alarms, you can buy an ethernet module and then home assistant can connect to it and use all those sensors as smart items
thick minnow
Oh cool
waxen scroll
so if the wires are there, go that route
thick minnow
We definitely want an alarm system. Had a home invasion a few years ago
No, no wires unfortunately. At least not that I am aware of.
I believe it will have to be the wireless sensors
waxen scroll
you can do the same with wireless TBH but if you do ring or something like that im not 100% sure if it integrates and how well.... with mine, since its local ethernet and wired, i get instant response time. door opens at night? boom. right away a light turns on
thick minnow
from what reviews ive seen it looks fairly quick on all of that.
waxen scroll
if its an API based system it wont be fast at all
for example, ecobee thermostats only allow 5min polling
thick minnow
I really don't remember. I think it has it's own hub that you plug in and the rest is connected to it wirelessly
so not sure how quick the connections will be.
waxen scroll
i started installing LED strips everywhere
cheap chinese $20 kit garbage
works out well
thick minnow
I'd like to. do they connect to a smart assistant? I may think of using that on my bed frame or something
waxen scroll
it makes theming pop.... under kitchen cabinets, stair railings, etc
thick minnow
sounds like fun
little schooner
@waxen scroll where did you buy your sensors?
waxen scroll
so you have to buy an LED controller that the strip connects to and that controller will connect to a hub
thick minnow
I see
Ill check it out sometime. Right now I have a month to figure out the internet situation. Its my mission
waxen scroll
@little schooner they're all generic security sensors. you can get them all over the place. all you need is the sensor to trip a wire. theres no special interface for them
they look similar to that
i have layered sensors
since i did DIY i just went overkill
i got door/window contacts, motions, glass break, garage door
thick minnow
Very cool
waxen scroll
one cool thing i do with the LEDs is after 10pm most of them turn off except the stairs (its dim as hell) if you trip the motions or exterior doors the LEDs all turn on brighter for 10min
little schooner
I'm not sure if know how that sensor connects
waxen scroll
the alarm panel has a positive and negative for each zone. you loop that through one of those sensors and if the sensor trips the electrical circuit is broken and the alarm notices
thick minnow
Yo that's awesome
waxen scroll
its basic bitch
thick minnow
If I had the time and money to go through the effort of drilling and wiring everthing like that I'd try that out
waxen scroll
can confirm, its a bitch. its mostly exterior walls you need to touch
i bought a snake camera to help
little schooner
So based on the type of sensor it is, it breaks circuit and trips?
Motion triggers different than a door sensor
For example
waxen scroll
i dont know if i'd do it again in a new house, but it certainly has been valuable for IoT needs
they all break the circuit
little schooner
But different ways
waxen scroll
a motion is a powered device, so it has 4 wires
power + zone
a door sensor triggers because a magnet physically broke the circuit
a motion is circuit board triggering.... the board cuts the current in some way if motion is detected
little schooner
I see
thick minnow
Hmm. See with my family, mother doesnt like to see wires on the outside. She likes to keep things neat and tidy. Would be difficult to run lines outside. I'd like to for cameras at least though. It will be an eventual thing.
Yeah I heard about that. Jay made a video installing this system I believe
I'd look at the cox home life system. Or ring. I dismissed simply safe just for the fact it didnt have glass break and other thing. I forget now
little schooner
I have other sensors from a different alarm company
They didn't charge for them but they sell for $60+
thick minnow
That's a thought