#networking | Linus Tech Tips | Page 168

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 4:07 AM

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just said fuck it to request

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 4:07 AM

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yeah... :(

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 4:07 AM

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This was a setup at a conference with about 200 clients. I got a call 10mins after it started...

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 4:08 AM

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interesting

pseudo blade Sep 6, 2019, 4:08 AM

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I actually don't know what Mikrotik is like in an enterprise environment because we don't really do that here.

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Probably not great, but cheap.

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 4:08 AM

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@pseudo blade well, it definitely can handle the extreme cold temperatures pretty well

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 4:08 AM

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This was an oh shit moment, grabbed 3 hapAC2, threw them, to at least get them connected then built capsman on one and had zero problems from there

pseudo blade Sep 6, 2019, 4:09 AM

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Oh it's good for that kind of thing.

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 4:09 AM

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@hollow marlin the important thing was you solved the problem as quickly as you could and was successful

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that is awesome

pseudo blade Sep 6, 2019, 4:09 AM

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Routerboards are good at dealing with lots of wireless clients.

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 4:10 AM

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They worked great for a temp solution

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 4:10 AM

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they work and work and work....

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never stop working

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so stable.

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 4:10 AM

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One AC2 I think peaked at around 100 clients, no drops, ~80% CCQ

pseudo blade Sep 6, 2019, 4:12 AM

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Not bad.

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 4:12 AM

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@little schooner Tiks do have their problems but there are few and far between for me. On the official forums where people are doing very low level, configurations there seems to be more of a problem

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 4:13 AM

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seems about right.

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I read on forums that a wireless access point is like a hub and not like a bridge?

pseudo blade Sep 6, 2019, 4:13 AM

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?

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Well yes.

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 4:14 AM

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Wireless is half duplex

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 4:14 AM

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sorry lol typo

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when anything is half duplex, that means its hub characteristics?

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they can collide

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 4:15 AM

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A hub is half duplex by nature. I wouldnt say an AP is like a hub, the wireless is what acts most like a hub

pseudo blade Sep 6, 2019, 4:15 AM

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This is one of the reasons it can make sense to turn down transmit power on your APs.

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 4:15 AM

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Yep, AP can be too "loud"

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 4:15 AM

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okay, just wanted to clear that up

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if its too loud, it collides more with other signal i suppose?

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and has to wait

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even for the client, the client can barely "speak" loud enough back to it

pseudo blade Sep 6, 2019, 4:16 AM

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No, it's just that more APs at lower transmit power will be dealing with less users and less interference (if done right)

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Yep

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 4:17 AM

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yeah... I dont think I did my wireless right xD

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i have it on medium transmission but...

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it still manages to grab clients one floor down instead of using AP on the same floor

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that must mean its too high?

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Yep, situations like that are a reason

pseudo blade Sep 6, 2019, 4:17 AM

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We crank ours up to the legal max, but that's because I don't have to deal with walls, rather hills.

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Also why I cant wait for AX, the 60ghz version to finally come out

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AP in every room with zero interference

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 4:18 AM

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that'd be nice

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on another note, whoever said passthrough RJ45 plugs were a bad idea..... yes, I really agree with that statement. It is more work and harder to get the wires to go in straight since they are bend a lot more when long.

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 4:24 AM

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mmmmhhhhhmmmm

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Again, I dont like them

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For people who occasionally terminate they are just fine

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When I did installer work, every other installed would use passthrough

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 4:28 AM

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so far, I terminated at least 6 new ones

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well, 12 if you count both sides

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also this is where I will leave off as practice of just re-creating it

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as an exercise to learn how to use draw.io

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 4:29 AM

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👌

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 4:30 AM

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never thought i'd like it so much

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draw.io

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lol

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Also important shortcut not explicitly given, ctl+move, copies and move+alt, allows a connection to move into a shape, avoiding connection points

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After a template or two you will be able to throw them together quickly

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 4:32 AM

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I will keep at it :D

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thanks for the shortcut tips

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off for the night so cya guys

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 4:33 AM

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Peace dude!

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 3:30 PM

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@pseudo blade almost panicked configuring powerbox pro with vlans

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The way its presented to config it is not the usually method I've seen on other hardware

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At first I thought it had to be applied on a separate bridge but then I saw interfaces section

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And then I had to apply the IP on vlan, not the interface itself

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I'm glad it's working now xD

pseudo blade Sep 6, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Yeah, you can't apply IPs to interfaces you're putting in VLANs or bridges.

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Also true for Cisco stuff+any other systems I've used, or if it lets you they simply don't work.

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Makes sense, really.

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Once you apply an IP to an interface, it's not longer a switchport but now a routed port.

pseudo blade Sep 6, 2019, 3:56 PM

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That's usually not an automatic change, normally you have to go and remove it from the switch, bridge or whatever first.

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 3:59 PM

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Yes you have to manually change the port. Just giving a reason why it's not built on an interface

waxen scroll Sep 6, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Hiiii @clear igloo and @hollow marlin

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Tell me about dual active vpc!

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🤔

clear igloo Sep 6, 2019, 5:48 PM

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It just works!
The more you buy the more you save!

edgy pasture Sep 6, 2019, 5:54 PM

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How do you transport a nas?

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 6:03 PM

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@edgy pasture pack it into another shipping box, put airbags in the shipping box and send it away.

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If it has hard drives, you can take the drives out and put it in another smaller box just for hard drives. So one shipping box within the bigger shipping box that shared with the NAS

edgy pasture Sep 6, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Wont the vibrations damage drives

jaunty talon Sep 6, 2019, 6:10 PM

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high risk of that yes

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best would be to transport them separate in same kind of box they're shipped in when you buy bulk

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they tend to protect the drives the best

edgy pasture Sep 6, 2019, 6:11 PM

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I kept boxes

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 6:14 PM

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@edgy pasture well, they won't vibrate if you pack it really well

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If you don't pack good, yes, expect it to be disaster

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Add bubble wrap if you want. But the smallest sized box that can fit the hard drive separately with some packing material will have such a hard time moving at all

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Physically, it couldn't move unless they are really throwing these boxes really hard

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Harder than the standard ups throw

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 7:22 PM

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@pseudo blade if I just want to make a port part of vlan 50, interface vlan section is where I have to do that?

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Or because I have bridge1, do it from there?

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Mikrotik has things I don't understand.

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 8:18 PM

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If anyone knows how, I do not know how to figure this out.

thick minnow Sep 6, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Do you know what's depressing? Cisco IOS

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 8:24 PM

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if this was in cisco IOS, I would have been done with it so fast

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mikrotik is a completely different syntax to learn

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almost too much flexibility that adds complexity

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https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Bridge_VLAN_Table

Manual:Bridge VLAN Table

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well i am following this guide for now...

clear igloo Sep 6, 2019, 8:37 PM

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How is IOS depressing?

jaunty talon Sep 6, 2019, 8:37 PM

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there are so many worse CLI's :D

thick minnow Sep 6, 2019, 8:40 PM

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It's just depressing, It never works, Everything always breaks, and it's slow.

clear igloo Sep 6, 2019, 8:41 PM

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are you on some old 12.2 code? 😛

jaunty talon Sep 6, 2019, 8:41 PM

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hahaha

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I have never had that problem with IOS

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the only annoying part is that it applies the command directly when sent

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no commit

clear igloo Sep 6, 2019, 8:42 PM

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yah, XR is nice for that feature

jaunty talon Sep 6, 2019, 8:42 PM

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everything else is just fine with IOS

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yeep

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and juniper

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Damn it's hard to find good 10GBase-T switches with 100G Uplinks, with stacking features. :(

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Holy shit gang, just found out I’m finally going to be a father 🥳🥳

clear igloo Sep 6, 2019, 9:14 PM

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@hollow marlin Congrats!

little schooner Sep 6, 2019, 9:19 PM

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@hollow marlin congrats man, happy 4 u!

waxen scroll Sep 6, 2019, 9:21 PM

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@clear igloo just gave india a big change script

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F ?

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😄

clear igloo Sep 6, 2019, 9:22 PM

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LUL

waxen scroll Sep 6, 2019, 9:22 PM

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yep. they're touching one of the important cores

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:3

hollow marlin Sep 6, 2019, 9:25 PM

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@pseudo blade https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=151903 it’s happening

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Also thanks guys @clear igloo @little schooner

waxen scroll Sep 6, 2019, 9:37 PM

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someone tell me my options to migrate a VPC from F2 to F3 cards with no second VDC and very little packet loss

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i tried getting around dual active VPC with a non-VPC port channel but it seems to not work and blocks that path

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i get why... but LAME

clear igloo Sep 6, 2019, 9:38 PM

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Move the fiber extra fast

waxen scroll Sep 6, 2019, 9:38 PM

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the shitty part is you have to rebuild the port channel config regardless, so it will drop

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i cant put in two temp F3s somewhere else with a temp link

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i still have to move the po config

pseudo blade Sep 7, 2019, 3:57 AM

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@hollow marlin Well there you go. 6.45.5, but with a recent kernel.

little schooner Sep 7, 2019, 4:06 AM

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@pseudo blade any reason why bridge1's IP address gets ignored when its given a management IP address and management vlan?

pseudo blade Sep 7, 2019, 4:06 AM

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You'd assign the IP to the VLAN, not bridge.

little schooner Sep 7, 2019, 4:07 AM

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Oh. so basically that is done under IP > addresses menu?

pseudo blade Sep 7, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Should do.

little schooner Sep 7, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Last time I tried it, it killed all trunking functionality. But that was with a very corrupted config

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I will try again. will assign it to ether1 interface

pseudo blade Sep 7, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Should not assign an IP to ether1 itself.

little schooner Sep 7, 2019, 4:09 AM

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okay, make a vlan 99 under ether1

pseudo blade Sep 7, 2019, 4:09 AM

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If it's in a VLAN.

little schooner Sep 7, 2019, 4:09 AM

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is that right?

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yes it is trunking vlan 99 right now.

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but under bridge1.

pseudo blade Sep 7, 2019, 4:09 AM

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Assign the IP to vlan99.

little schooner Sep 7, 2019, 4:09 AM

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Okay. but I add vlan99 under bridge1?

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the way mikrotik works is crazy

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it is not clear.

pseudo blade Sep 7, 2019, 4:12 AM

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I'm just on my phone atm, let me drag out a Mikrotik and I'll show you.

little schooner Sep 7, 2019, 4:15 AM

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Okay thanks

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From what I gather, vlans can only be created under an interface. Unless I am wrong about that information or missed something.

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will have to step out for now though

pseudo blade Sep 7, 2019, 5:01 AM

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@little schooner https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Basic_VLAN_switching#Other_devices_with_built-in_switch_chip Start here and have a play around.

Manual:Basic VLAN switching

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My computer had a vlan interface (id 99) which was used to simulate your second switch's tagged management traffic.

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I only have the hex at home so that was about the closest I could simulate it.

little schooner Sep 7, 2019, 5:24 AM

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@pseudo blade thanks a bunch

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Ahh so I see you made a vlanbridge

waxen scroll Sep 7, 2019, 1:38 PM

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yikes, what the hell is that gui

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that looks like an industrial controls GUI from the 90s

pseudo blade Sep 7, 2019, 6:31 PM

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I mean if you prefer SSH or a webgui they have those too.

little schooner Sep 7, 2019, 6:53 PM

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@pseudo blade having used the terminal for a while, its okay once I figured out the needed commands

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In fact, I think configuring it from GUI was what caused the problems I faced

pseudo blade Sep 7, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Yeah, I use the terminal a lot (but usually from inside winbox, funnily enough), but it's easier to lay out cause and effect with the GUI, hence I did.

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Frankly Mikrotik have many things I'd rather they do than add glitter and sparkles to Winbox, which indeed seems to be their current approach. It's perfectly functional.

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At work we're planning to ditch it for plain embedded Linux in some cases(because we don't really do any routing on the vast majority of our "routers", mostly other goals which are hard to achieve on any router OS or hardware we can find), but aesthetics aren't one of them.

hollow marlin Sep 7, 2019, 7:04 PM

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I still go with CLI 99% of the time with Tik, but there are definitely things the GUI that are much quicker to do

pseudo blade Sep 7, 2019, 7:05 PM

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There are a few things you can only do in the CLI, a fact I find annoying.

hollow marlin Sep 7, 2019, 7:05 PM

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Almost every update in the change notice has 2-4 items of (cli only)

pseudo blade Sep 7, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Consistency is important.

torn frigate Sep 8, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Morning guys, ever since I bought a small NAS to backup my Youtube work. I have been having problems maintaining a local network, you see. I can have a local network fully functional If I unplug my internet connection from my switch (not using Router, only one pc in the apartment), but as soon as I connect internet again I lose my local network.

ornate jungle Sep 8, 2019, 6:33 AM

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@torn frigate what NAS do you have.... and how is your network laid out?
Sounds like you might have 2 DHCP servers connecting to the switch, causing a conflict when the NAS + modem/router are connected. (possibly both your modem/router and the NAS, if you left DHCP enabled on the NAS.)

torn frigate Sep 8, 2019, 6:51 AM

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@ornate jungle Its a Zyxel NAS326, the cable goes from the plugin the wall to the switch. From there one cable goes to my pc the other one to my nas.

ornate jungle Sep 8, 2019, 6:53 AM

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Righto so you'll want to find out if your NAS has DHCP enabled or not, since you're only losing connection when your internet modem is plugged into the switch at the same time as your other devices.

torn frigate Sep 8, 2019, 7:19 AM

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That's the million-dollar question

torn frigate Sep 8, 2019, 7:47 AM

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@ornate jungle Think it's the dam buildings router in the basement that screws things up.

ornate jungle Sep 8, 2019, 7:50 AM

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That could be it too yeah.... T.T unfortunately makes it difficult when you don't control all aspects of the network.

torn frigate Sep 8, 2019, 8:22 AM

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@ornate jungle it's back online, ran a systems tool I found that fixed it the last time. (I thought I lost it.) AiO-SRT_Lite

pseudo blade Sep 8, 2019, 11:54 AM

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Who enables DHCP on a NAS?

clear igloo Sep 8, 2019, 12:29 PM

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@pseudo blade People who want a separate DHCP server but don't want a cheap raspberry pi? Or crazy people who make it a DHCP client, lol

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Not sure 😛

pseudo blade Sep 8, 2019, 12:30 PM

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DHCP client, sure.

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That'd be logical enough (just reserve a lease on the router)

clear igloo Sep 8, 2019, 12:30 PM

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Yah

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I still prefer static on the box itself

pseudo blade Sep 8, 2019, 12:31 PM

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I actually use dynamic-only at work, can export that config section and import on another device if the main router carks it.

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We don't really have on-prem servers, so it really doesn't matter much (even if I lost the configs... one printer and a Windows box I RDP into when I have to deal with Excel? It'd take like 5 minutes to remap or reconfigure the reserved leases...)

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Plus it makes reconfiguring the network very straightforward, and it's not like the leases matter much if the router's dead anyways.

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We have like 60 spare routers I could drop in if we ran into trouble with the main router anyways, being Australia it only has to handle NAT for 50mbps/20mbps.

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Heck I could do it with an SXT or Groove if I really wanted to.

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Spare L3 switch... Raspberry Pi... My laptop... Wifi-enabled toaster :P

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Really anything with a CPU clocked north of 300mhz can handle speeds like that.

waxen scroll Sep 8, 2019, 6:38 PM

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@clear igloo oof

clear igloo Sep 8, 2019, 6:45 PM

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@waxen scroll Did it go boom?

waxen scroll Sep 8, 2019, 6:45 PM

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i feel bad for the hiring manager with all the likely unqualified applicants who just want to hang out with the team

clear igloo Sep 8, 2019, 6:45 PM

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yah

waxen scroll Sep 8, 2019, 6:46 PM

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i also pray thats wrong by $60,000

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but who knows, they might use their names weight to screw over people on pay

clear igloo Sep 8, 2019, 6:47 PM

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possibly, that's pretty damn low

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Unless they forgot to put Junior in-front of it

waxen scroll Sep 8, 2019, 6:48 PM

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long ago when i was working NOC we were getting applications from people whose experience was just supervising kids at school

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RIP a sports team

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im curious if you'd get hired by not giving a shit about sports at all

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perhaps thats a plus? you arent distracted

clear igloo Sep 8, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Hmmm, possibly

waxen scroll Sep 8, 2019, 6:53 PM

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people get disappointed when they ask what sports i watch.. they list two or 3 and after saying nope they are like.... oh.

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😄

clear igloo Sep 8, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Sports is the game with the yeets right?

waxen scroll Sep 8, 2019, 6:53 PM

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"is that the one with the ball?"

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then i explain that i bowl, but i dont watch it

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haha

little schooner Sep 8, 2019, 11:09 PM

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It's awful how Samsung limits the downloading speed for drivers to a measly 2.2 mbps

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This is the most annoying thing ever

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And how the sound driver is like 800MB big

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Like cmon

waxen scroll Sep 8, 2019, 11:38 PM

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👺

pseudo blade Sep 9, 2019, 5:54 AM

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@waxen scroll Here in Australia the unemployed have to apply for a job quota or their payments get cut, so basically any job you can think of has like 200 applicants.

sinful vortex Sep 9, 2019, 11:28 AM

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Sys Admin for only 60k

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Thonk

hollow marlin Sep 9, 2019, 12:01 PM

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You guys are freaking out but 60k for sys admin is hella high in my area

waxen scroll Sep 9, 2019, 12:03 PM

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I didn't post the requirements, but that's a 100k job for my area

hollow marlin Sep 9, 2019, 12:12 PM

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There are zero jobs in the IT field here for 100k unless you are management

sinful vortex Sep 9, 2019, 12:27 PM

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unfortunate location then

little schooner Sep 9, 2019, 12:40 PM

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It would cover my bills here

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I would be okay to do it

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I gotta get out of the debts

waxen scroll Sep 9, 2019, 12:47 PM

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if i moved to san fran i'd be getting 170-200k

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but then a small house costs 1mil

hollow marlin Sep 9, 2019, 1:26 PM

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@sinful vortex it's why I'm trying to find a remote job. Have a house and property and a family, so getting up and moving is not as easy

strange silo Sep 9, 2019, 1:39 PM

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@hollow marlin yea 60k is fairly normal, it's not like it's a systems engineer position and sys admin can mean a great deal of different things and cover a wide pay scale

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and that's 60k NZD lol, RIP any US person that does the conversion

waxen scroll Sep 9, 2019, 1:40 PM

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juan would be sick if he knew what i made and what i do 90% of the time

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xD

strange silo Sep 9, 2019, 1:41 PM

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lol

waxen scroll Sep 9, 2019, 1:41 PM

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when you specialize at a mega corp a lot of the time what you do compared to the job description is nothing

sinful vortex Sep 9, 2019, 1:41 PM

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i guess for a Sys Admin at a Sports Club like that job ad

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60k makes sense

strange silo Sep 9, 2019, 1:42 PM

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I mean it's all relative, my house cost me 290k so getting what I get (a lot more than 60k) means my income ratio and rather good

sinful vortex Sep 9, 2019, 1:42 PM

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oof

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[Cries in Sydney Real Estate]

strange silo Sep 9, 2019, 1:42 PM

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hahaah

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ahahahaha

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no sympathy 🙂

waxen scroll Sep 9, 2019, 1:42 PM

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i lucked out. mine was 290 on sale from the bank and now is worth 375

sinful vortex Sep 9, 2019, 1:42 PM

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shut up Kiwi

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:(

strange silo Sep 9, 2019, 1:43 PM

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spots a kiwi a mile away

waxen scroll Sep 9, 2019, 1:43 PM

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they get me on 12k in real estate taxes though

strange silo Sep 9, 2019, 1:44 PM

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we could always settle this with a game of rugby 😈

sinful vortex Sep 9, 2019, 1:44 PM

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:(

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not like i follow Rugby

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but nah

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Australia has no chance

strange silo Sep 9, 2019, 1:44 PM

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neither 🙂

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I'm same situation though, to get paid more means management position or move to different city

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and I have no interest in either

sinful vortex Sep 9, 2019, 1:46 PM

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well as long as it's more than sufficient, it's fine

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unless you have a sudden interest for yachts

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LUL

waxen scroll Sep 9, 2019, 1:46 PM

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honestly i think for a sysadmin of a sports club, they should have no interest

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less distraction

strange silo Sep 9, 2019, 1:47 PM

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haha I spend all my money on stupid shit like servers, solar power, batteries etc

sinful vortex Sep 9, 2019, 1:47 PM

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sys admin for a sports club sounds like either jank setups, or no work 80% of the time

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or both

strange silo Sep 9, 2019, 1:47 PM

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I'd vote both

waxen scroll Sep 9, 2019, 1:48 PM

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dunno about your area, but here we have large arenas/venues so the IT gets serious

sinful vortex Sep 9, 2019, 1:48 PM

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ah stadiums

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i didn't think about that

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still could be janky

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LUL

strange silo Sep 9, 2019, 1:49 PM

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shouldn't be too much support time for it's size though, stuff done well doesn't incur too much pain

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but if it's not...... fml

waxen scroll Sep 9, 2019, 1:49 PM

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i think at idle, maybe not... but special events like super bowl... yikes

strange silo Sep 9, 2019, 1:49 PM

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things would be so much better if people didn't use it 😉

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they have some really cool tech at those venues

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HPE was talking about some stuff they did where you can order food and they bring it to you even if you move

sinful vortex Sep 9, 2019, 1:51 PM

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think about the transfer speeds you get when there's 0 people on the network

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😉

strange silo Sep 9, 2019, 1:53 PM

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or tracking lines at toilets so it'll guide you to the best one, not as creepy as it sounds

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honest 😛

waxen scroll Sep 9, 2019, 1:59 PM

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HPe was pitching that tech to my company

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its a pain in the ass to manage from what i heard

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you need like 3 full time staff

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for us it would be conference room map tracking, potentially people tracking, and some other things

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but because its not open to everyone, theres some management involved with a people directory

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@strange silo wheres our @unreal wedge at? its been like 2 months. he posting on the forum still or just dropped off?

strange silo Sep 9, 2019, 2:22 PM

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@waxen scroll Can't say, circumstances outside of here. Not that I know anything either

waxen scroll Sep 9, 2019, 11:42 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/d1yko7/what_seemingly_benign_changes_have_caused_an/

What seemingly benign changes have caused an unexpected impact/outage?

What seemingly harmless changes have you seen made that left people scratching your heads saying "that shouldn't have done that."

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because i dont want to post to reddit, ill start

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Changing the time on Cisco ASAs running OSPF causes neighborship loss and cannot be restored until rebooted.

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Learned that one during business hours across 5 major sites

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@clear igloo

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"ill just put ntp in before tonights change really quick"

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i bet @little schooner has a story

little schooner Sep 10, 2019, 1:58 AM

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I just finished properly installing a concealed cable run outside for a camera and unifi mesh ap

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And finally have proper PoE and no more power adapter junk

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I am sooooo happy

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And it was my first time dealing with a junction box. And how 3/4" meant the pipe fitting on the junction box

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And how there is barely space to fit all the cameras cable stuff in the junction box

clear igloo Sep 10, 2019, 11:07 AM

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@waxen scroll It's a feature 🙂

waxen scroll Sep 10, 2019, 3:35 PM

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did you use the correct kind of box? is it grounded?

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home depot gives you the bullets, you shoot the gun yourself

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just cause they sell it doesnt mean it meets code

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🤗

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our area doesnt allow romex

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home depot gladly sells it

little schooner Sep 10, 2019, 8:29 PM

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@waxen scroll is it correct to think that passing one interface's firewall ruleset automatically allows that traffic to bypass the firewall's Internet-facing interface?

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Or would the rules on the Internet interface also get applied to stop it if need be?

waxen scroll Sep 10, 2019, 8:32 PM

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on a non-zoned based firewall i believe that is correct

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on a zone i dont think so

hollow marlin Sep 10, 2019, 9:23 PM

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@little schooner are you talking about inbound and outbound rules or just traffic crossing the firewall? Firewall rules are just inbound. You would need ACLs for outbound

little schooner Sep 10, 2019, 9:35 PM

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@hollow marlin oh. I didn't specify. Yes it's inbound first and then outbound rules when it tries to leave internet-facing interface

hollow marlin Sep 10, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Yeah just on inbound. Route decision for in/out/zones, then run against rules and away she goes

little schooner Sep 10, 2019, 10:03 PM

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@hollow marlin perfect. Yes, because my goal was trying to stop my cameras from going to China IPs with telnet, smb and ssh. There are some attempts by the cameras doing that. By blocking that Lan from internet access, they can't do anything except local lan

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Which then I can still access them and stuff

little schooner Sep 10, 2019, 11:20 PM

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@hollow marlin how would I adjust the Key box if a vlan has more than one network subnet?

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10.10.10.0 is also in the vlan of 10.0.0.0, but separated by a router between

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Do I type

GW: 10.0.0.254, 10.10.10.254

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Or that doesn't look right?

hollow marlin Sep 11, 2019, 12:21 AM

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@little schooner you can format it how you like, just keep it clear and consistent. That format looks good

little schooner Sep 11, 2019, 12:48 AM

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Okay thanks

green sphinx Sep 11, 2019, 4:46 PM

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Thinking of renaiming my network hostnames and domain to something tech and geeky, ideas?

little schooner Sep 11, 2019, 4:47 PM

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@pseudo blade is mikrotik routers known to struggle with bridge mode when a unifi AC mesh is connected to it that tags other vlans on a wifi SSID?

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I can't seem to get it to pass properly through

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/interface bridge port
add bridge=bridge1 interface=ether1
add bridge=bridge1 interface=ether2 pvid=50
add bridge=bridge1 interface=ether3 pvid=50
add bridge=bridge1 interface=ether4
add bridge=bridge1 interface=ether5 pvid=50
/interface bridge vlan
add bridge=bridge1 tagged=ether1,ether4 vlan-ids=20
add bridge=bridge1 tagged=ether1,ether4 vlan-ids=40
add bridge=bridge1 tagged=ether1,ether4 untagged=ether2,ether3,ether5 vlan-ids=50
add bridge=bridge1 tagged=ether1,ether4,bridge1 vlan-ids=99

Shouldn't the above configuration allow Unifi AC-Mesh unit attached to Ether4 pass along the vlan tags from SSIDs to clients? For the other vlan stuff, it is working fine. I am just unable to get DHCP to work for clients connecting to AC mesh AP. I also tried statically assigning IP address to my phone for VLAN 20, and it says there isn't a connection to the gateway.

hollow marlin Sep 11, 2019, 5:07 PM

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@green sphinx we have gotten refurbished models with hostnames after Pokemon, love it

green sphinx Sep 11, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Amazing

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I'm renaming mine to fictional hacker characters

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hollow marlin Sep 11, 2019, 5:13 PM

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@little schooner what vlans are coming from your AC? Look at your config one more time. On ether4 you specify it had to be tagged, but under the port it's not associated with a vlan, so it's just dropped

little schooner Sep 11, 2019, 5:19 PM

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@hollow marlin so, if I associate the port with a random vlan (maybe vlan 20), it will then be able to forward 20,40, and 99?

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the AC hosts vlans 20 and 40

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Its management vlan is 99

hollow marlin Sep 11, 2019, 5:20 PM

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They should be all assigned to the port

little schooner Sep 11, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Okay, perhaps it is that.

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I will assign it ports.

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set bridge=bridge1 interface=ether1 pvid=20
set bridge=bridge1 interface=ether4 pvid=20

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that should do the trick right? it wont disconnect me?

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@hollow marlin ```/interface bridge port
add bridge=bridge1 interface=ether1 pvid=20
add bridge=bridge1 interface=ether2 pvid=50
add bridge=bridge1 interface=ether3 pvid=50
add bridge=bridge1 interface=ether4 pvid=20
add bridge=bridge1 interface=ether5 pvid=50

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I guess now it should work?

hollow marlin Sep 11, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Just assign it to port 4 and maybe to say 5. Just so if it doesn't take you don't lock yourself out

little schooner Sep 11, 2019, 5:32 PM

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So I did that and it still isn't passing AC Mesh's VLAN tag for SSID

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if I change SSID to vlan 99, it passes it perfectly and DHCP response is received at client

hollow marlin Sep 11, 2019, 5:34 PM

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😑 hmmmmm

little schooner Sep 11, 2019, 5:34 PM

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This is the other switch its supposed to connect to as it travels along the line with the tag

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oh wait.......

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wth

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I think I tagged the wrong trunk port for vlan 20,40 on this netgear switch...

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ahh that was the problem

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G8 was the wrong port I tagged with 20,40

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it was supposed to be G2

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G2 has no tagging for its port. Ugggggggh how could I have missed this -_-

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hollow marlin Sep 11, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Well that'll do it too

little schooner Sep 11, 2019, 5:37 PM

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I went blind to the network config

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well now I am happy :D

hollow marlin Sep 11, 2019, 5:42 PM

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And you still have the ports on the til tagged 20, 40?

little schooner Sep 11, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Everything is perfect now.

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on the what?

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What did you mean by til

hollow marlin Sep 11, 2019, 6:17 PM

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@little schooner sorry I meant on the Tik

little schooner Sep 11, 2019, 6:17 PM

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@hollow marlin I removed them and when I ran a print statement, it puts them automatically in vlan1

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So it looks like I could leave it or remove it either way

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My wifi is so fast outside

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170 mbps

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Since I finished this project with wiring

hollow marlin Sep 11, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Nice 😎

little schooner Sep 11, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Life in the fast lane 🏎

hollow marlin Sep 11, 2019, 6:20 PM

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What Mikrotik model do you have again?

little schooner Sep 11, 2019, 6:44 PM

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@hollow marlin the powerbox Pro router

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https://mikrotik.com/product/RB960PGS-PB

MikroTik

MikroTik is a Latvian company which was founded in 1996 to develop routers and wireless ISP systems. MikroTik now provides hardware and software for Internet connectivity in most of the countries around the world.

hollow marlin Sep 11, 2019, 6:51 PM

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So here is another thing @little schooner that model has a switch chip which means you should build it on /switch to use hardware offload

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Building vlans via bridge go straight to the CPU

little schooner Sep 11, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Yeah. I was just concerned about touching the config again when it is now working good

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I think I'll leave it since it serves mainly the cameras

pseudo blade Sep 11, 2019, 10:42 PM

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@hollow marlin /interface bridge port add int whatever hw=yes does hardware offload.

hollow marlin Sep 11, 2019, 11:13 PM

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@pseudo blade only for certain switch chips. As far as I know, the CSR3xx is the only series that supports it.

pseudo blade Sep 11, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Above works on most Mikrotik devices, including my hEX and powerbox pros, though the supported feature set is... lackluster on some of them. @hollow marlin

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Most Mikrotik devices to this point have switches for cost reasons, not performance ones, but basic hardware switching and VLANs are supported by nearly all of them.

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It's funny all this comes up just as I buy a pair of CRS3xx series switches for work stuff.

hollow marlin Sep 11, 2019, 11:24 PM

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@pseudo blade supported yes but not hardware offload as per above. It's the reason so many love/hate the 4011 because it's powerful but cant offload vlan filtering and shitty 2gbps between switch chip and CPU. So people just use bridge for CPU

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We deployed a ton of the CSR1xx switches. Wish I could replace them with the 3xx

waxen scroll Sep 11, 2019, 11:42 PM

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you can

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its as simple as cutting a PO

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 12:01 AM

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@waxen scroll I did that with my teacher last month

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 12:01 AM

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@waxen scroll it’s as simple as cutting POwer*

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Getting the equipment isn’t the issue, customer down time is

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 12:02 AM

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@hollow marlin and that is why we didn't order the other stuff because we need to move the whole lab to a new room

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Downtime hurts the teacher

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 12:05 AM

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if you didnt write preventative maintenance in the contract to bypass SLA levels, you legal team suxxxx

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 12:05 AM

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@little schooner most our maintenance windows are usually 2-4 hours assigned. It’s pulling teeth sometimes for customers

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Seems reasonable

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 12:06 AM

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@waxen scroll that’s what emergency maintenance notices are for

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 12:06 AM

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@hollow marlin thats why you give them two rescheduled then "EMERGENCY"

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you beat me

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i hope they pay $$$$$$$ because you should have $$$$$$$$ to be stupid enough not to get redundant circuits from POP, LEC, carrier

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😄

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 12:09 AM

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There are a few a few customers immune to emergency maintenance like hospital, state colleges and 911 of course

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 12:11 AM

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bleh

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i think its a hard pass from me for working in a hospital system

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 12:12 AM

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Hospital pays bank here but I know what it’s like working there and no way in hell

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 12:12 AM

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the system around here outsources their IT and is a mess. my coworker worked for them

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 12:15 AM

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We have around 30 circuits for them and I had to go assist with their shit show

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They’re not outsourced and it’s a mess

pseudo blade Sep 12, 2019, 12:22 AM

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@hollow marlin Hardware offload itself is supported, but yes vlan filtering via switch is a 3xx only feature.

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You can offload if you don't do vlan filtering.

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The 4011's a strange device for Mikrotik.

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Fast CPU, probably way more RAM than needed, SFP+, optional wireless that looks pretty good... But no USB? Can't saturate that 10gbps SFP+.

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It's powerful, but strangely handicapped at the same time.

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2.5gbps per bank of 5 gigabit ports, of which it has 10.

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 12:28 AM

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30? sounds like MPLS

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i have no idea how many circuits we have, but we have like 400,000 prefixes on the WAN

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circuit management is some other team

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i just tell them what i want

pseudo blade Sep 12, 2019, 12:30 AM

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I'm sure there are situations in which the RB4011 is excellent, particularly smaller offices with 1-5gbps connections.

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(Is that a situation that happens often? Australia networking kinda distorts my view of what everyone else is working with as far as uplinks)

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Like the US's average internet speeds are apparently 115mbps, which is near unheard of here for political reasons.

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 12:39 AM

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i have access to a gig

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two gig if i want a car payment

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for $300/m they install a small comm area in my house with fiber and a juniper managed switch

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ive been sort of tempted because having the setup there already makes my house very valuable

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the next person wont have the pay the fees

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 12:51 AM

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@waxen scroll hah, MPLS...no try metro-e.

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Gross

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 12:52 AM

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@pseudo blade I thought VLAN filtering was needed in most cases, but looking further I guess that’s wrong. Ugh, VLAN management needs to be cleaned up for MikroTik

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@waxen scroll yes, fuck L2

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 1:36 AM

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@hollow marlin Im just glad it works. Now I can stop touching it until the replacement switch from fs.com comes in

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Ultimately, this mikrotik powerbox pro will be regulated for PoE to the cameras in the front porch

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@hollow marlin my school stopped paying for microsoft imagine and now I lost the access to free Windows software :(

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 1:49 AM

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@little schooner I forget what it was I had at my first job as a sysadmin a few years back, Microsoft cancelled it. Dont miss it. Give me Notepadd++, putty and im a happy man

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 1:50 AM

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Technet?

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 1:50 AM

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i used to have technet 😦

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 1:50 AM

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msdn is basically for devs only

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 1:50 AM

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yeah that one

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 1:51 AM

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nah fam, MSDN is also used for universities if the school is any good

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 1:51 AM

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It was for a college so we all got accounts for.."teaching"

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 1:51 AM

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@waxen scroll well yes that too

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 1:51 AM

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community college gets dreamspark or whatever it is now

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 1:51 AM

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And then came visual studio express

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And then vs code

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 1:52 AM

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its so dumb... if i want to learn AD i have to do it on a 100 day trial and keep wiping it out

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 1:52 AM

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I thought it was 180 days

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but then you can rearm it

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Maybe it was MSDN, no clue, most sysadmin responsibilities I forgot and have no intent in going back

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 1:53 AM

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rude

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 1:53 AM

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msdn was the one that included vs enterprise and office

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if you didnt think technet covered it

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 1:53 AM

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Open gui, next, next, next, no, next, finish

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ew

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 1:53 AM

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all of my technet keys still work too

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 1:53 AM

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@waxen scroll yes due to perpetual use rules

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they are yours forever

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hopefully I used the word right lol

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 1:54 AM

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but now the software has aged out and isnt what i want

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server 2012 r2, windows 7, idc

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 1:54 AM

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yeah im glad to be done with that legacy stuff

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powershell has made management sooo much easier

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its not without its quirks, but....

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Powershell was the #2 reason my teacher went from Ubuntu on workstations to windows on workstations. The ubuntu got regulated to vmware with a script

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#1 reason was ease of management

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@waxen scroll This might be a violation at your workplace, but we have no security locks on the new workstations in the lab. So, anyone who gets any ideas can easily open up the case and take components out of the system

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Fortunately, our students haven't gotten curious enough to test that

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 1:58 AM

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I have never seen a buisiness make use of those locks

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 1:58 AM

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@hollow marlin His classroom is the only room that doesn't have locks because IT does not manage it.

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IT is hands off unless we buy their models of choice, etc

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 1:58 AM

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we dont use locks

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 1:59 AM

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oh.

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Well our school is extra careful then

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 1:59 AM

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most everything is also laptop now in most of the offices ive worked in

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 1:59 AM

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They should be used, but like LZ said, most places are laptops

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 1:59 AM

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@waxen scroll they want the employees to never stop working i suppose

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 2:00 AM

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they can try all they want. i keep 40hr only

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i play time card games... if i go over 8hrs one day, i subtract it from some other day in the week

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i dont read email after hours

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Somebody isnt on call

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 2:01 AM

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yeah, work should stay at work after hours

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 2:01 AM

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im supposed to be on the rotation and they've forgot for over a year now

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we have very little calls so it isnt noticed

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 2:02 AM

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We get 2-10 calls after hours

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most after midnight

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 2:02 AM

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i wont be so lucky next year once the schedule is redone

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my job isnt operational, you're only supposed to call me if shit hit the fan that Cisco TAC is asking for an engineer or the business is screaming

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Residential hits our outsourced call center, business hit my phone. Also I need to respond to any major alarms in email

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 2:05 AM

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99% of my job is determining what needs to happen in the network and then writing the scripts, POs, etc and either letting india push the config or DIY

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1% is support

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 2:05 AM

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Like this evening one of our SIP trunks dropped around 7pm and after shooting the OTDR I noticed a break 43miles out, mice got into conduit

waxen scroll Sep 12, 2019, 2:07 AM

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once you get in a large company doing actual engineering, you'll be broken and never able to go back to wearing all hats

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nor smaller company

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i HATED doing user patch cable ticket one minute and next minute designing an SD-WAN architecture

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nope....

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 2:08 AM

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Im the only master of all trades at my company

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they throw me anywhere and everywhere

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 3:53 AM

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@hollow marlin do you know how to precisely add connector points to the edge of a shape in visio?

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I am able to add points but it is not spaced evenly and stuff

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Or it doesn't attach to the edge

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 3:54 AM

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Zoom in further, at least thats all that is needed in 2013

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 3:54 AM

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What about in 2019? Still zoom in is the best way?

hollow marlin Sep 12, 2019, 3:55 AM

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Not sure, dont have 2019 lol

little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 3:55 AM

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I want how draw.io made the points

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Oh

pseudo blade Sep 12, 2019, 7:38 AM

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@little schooner Powershell might be one of the strangest reasons I've ever heard to switch from Ubuntu to Windows

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Management can be a little different for Linux, that I'll agree with. You can actually manage Linux with AD if you're patient.

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And now... sudo snap remove powershell

sinful vortex Sep 12, 2019, 8:01 AM

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switching for Powershell lol

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Thonkeng

pseudo blade Sep 12, 2019, 1:46 PM

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And on today's episode of "Meagus has not much data left and is too cheap to pay for the NBN"...

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little schooner Sep 12, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Well, if it wasn't for the profile and custom functions that I created, the sell would of been harder. The script I made does a few random things that he liked. Simply type out the single line command and he is able to run anything against the computers. One of them gathers computer spec info and puts it into table. Another copies missing VM files to the workstations if student accidently deleted it. The other one activates all workstations with their corresponding product key of education.

If I didn't show him any of that stuff (and mdt), I'm very sure he would stick with Ubuntu

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Thank you powershell lol

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So far, I have received good feedback from students that this semesters environment is working a lot better. Last semester was testing and this one was refinements.

strong tusk Sep 12, 2019, 10:09 PM

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@little schooner btw the intel nic didn't fit inside my case and oddly part of the shielding on the mobo blocked me from installing it too. Luckily, I forgot I had a TP-Link gb x1 adapter, so I threw it in there and fixed my headache

little schooner Sep 13, 2019, 3:43 AM

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Glad it worked out in the end

thick minnow Sep 13, 2019, 6:53 AM

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hey can any of u guys help in tech support this kid needs pfsense help

stiff panther Sep 13, 2019, 8:03 PM

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@thick minnow Its solved

thick minnow Sep 13, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Dude i posted that last night

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Like while we were talking about it

stiff panther Sep 13, 2019, 8:05 PM

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@thick minnow anyway the speed are up at 240 Mbps/s

thick minnow Sep 13, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Good

wise bluff Sep 15, 2019, 1:00 PM

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Hey, I was just watching a ThioJoe video and was wondering what the silver box with blue light was in his network setup, if anybody recognises it?
https://youtu.be/zulHWla9xmk?t=251 timestamp 4:11
Looks like an ethernet port and two usb-c

YouTube

ThioJoe

Why Do Some Ethernet Switches Cost So Much? (Managed vs Unmanaged,...

ARE THEY REALLY WORTH THE PRICE? ● More Tech Discussions ➤ https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFr3c472Vstwe0Yk43UDnpqib5ReTwaJ- ● Subscribe Here ➤ https:...

▶ Play video

clear igloo Sep 15, 2019, 1:03 PM

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@wise bluff It's the cloud key Gen 2
https://unifi-protect.ui.com/cloud-key-gen2

UniFi Protect

Scalable, plug-and-play network camera system. View your live video and recordings anywhere with free cloud access and mobile applications.

wise bluff Sep 15, 2019, 1:08 PM

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Oh awesome, thank you
Last time I saw one they were tiny little dongle things

clear igloo Sep 15, 2019, 1:10 PM

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Yah, took a bit to figure it out myself, lol

waxen scroll Sep 15, 2019, 1:10 PM

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;/

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"If you think $1000 for a switch is expensive, you’ve never worked in the enterprise."

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lmao, i thought the same

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1k is a bargain

clear igloo Sep 15, 2019, 1:14 PM

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Yah

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They clearly haven't heard of as ASR9900 😛

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Or a ER or ZR optic XD
100Gb-ZR optic, only $120k each

subtle glen Sep 15, 2019, 1:23 PM

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🤔 only? Might consider buying one then 😄

clear igloo Sep 15, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Need 1 for each side so buy 2 😛

subtle glen Sep 15, 2019, 1:24 PM

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ye so i can do trunking between garage and home

clear igloo Sep 15, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Remember kids, always stare into the optic directly for at least 10 seconds for enhanced vision 😄

subtle glen Sep 15, 2019, 1:25 PM

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unplugs fiber from isp modem

waxen scroll Sep 15, 2019, 1:28 PM

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ill have you know i priced 10G ZR

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chinese brand beats cisco by half

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and its probably from the same factory

clear igloo Sep 15, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Pretty much the same thing for all optics from any vendor

little schooner Sep 15, 2019, 3:55 PM

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@waxen scroll spent almost 4 hours of research as to why I can't RDP to servers after connecting to a VPN connection on android and the culprit ending up being that, if you are using apps in the Secure Folder of Samsung phone, they don't share VPN connection state to those "non-secure" versions of the same app.

My VPN app exists out of Secure Folder while my RDP app exists in Secure Folder. I would of never guessed this would be the cause.

clear igloo Sep 15, 2019, 3:57 PM

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VPN? Just open the ports to the internet, nobody will do anything bad with them 😛

little schooner Sep 15, 2019, 3:58 PM

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@clear igloo I was really looking through packet captures for a cause

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And was seeing nothing

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Nothing in firewall either

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Lol I know some places like the dentist office, that had port open

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Firewall was set to minimum too

clear igloo Sep 15, 2019, 4:01 PM

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Yah, it's always that one thing you never think would be an issue or don't even think to check that's usually the problem

little schooner Sep 15, 2019, 4:02 PM

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@clear igloo and this has been bugging me for more than 2 months

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I just don't like giving up on it but needed a break

clear igloo Sep 15, 2019, 4:03 PM

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Stepping away and usually help too

little schooner Sep 15, 2019, 4:03 PM

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Yeah. That helped me finally solve it. I put it to the side for a bit

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Come back with fresh mind

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And not repeating the things I've tried already

waxen scroll Sep 15, 2019, 7:05 PM

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;\

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@little schooner you should try adderal

hollow marlin Sep 15, 2019, 7:29 PM

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@waxen scroll I need that to function daily

subtle glen Sep 15, 2019, 10:42 PM

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oh wow

📎 capture.JPG

hollow marlin Sep 15, 2019, 11:21 PM

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@subtle glen yesssss....more vibrations....HDDs love vibrations

subtle glen Sep 15, 2019, 11:29 PM

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Hahahahah

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It's also a floor heater xD

pseudo blade Sep 16, 2019, 12:26 AM

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But why do you mount it up there? Oh, so it doesn't get wet when it floods? Then what do you think being above water will do to it?

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Also yeah that's really stupid on so many levels.

hollow marlin Sep 16, 2019, 12:29 AM

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@pseudo blade Well technically its stupid on only 1 level...clearly

waxen scroll Sep 16, 2019, 1:31 AM

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You'd still hear it though the floor too

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I can hear mine from the main floor when it's near the ground of the full height basement below

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12 feet I think. This pic is like 4 feet plus it's up high

pseudo blade Sep 16, 2019, 12:34 PM

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https://mikrotik.com/product/crs326_24s_2q_rm

MikroTik

MikroTik is a Latvian company which was founded in 1996 to develop routers and wireless ISP systems. MikroTik now provides hardware and software for Internet connectivity in most of the countries around the world.

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They really do beat the "this is not a router" bit into you, don't they? the CPU in this one's slower than in the rest of the CRS line as if to tell you "a tiny bit of management traffic and switching only, if you do anything else your performance will evaporate like dry ice on the surface of the sun and you will get many tens of packets per second of routing throughput on your 10 gig switch.

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The gigabit w/10gig SFP CRSes have 512MB RAM and an 800mhz ARM CPU. You wouldn't try to use it as a router if you had a ton of bandwidth, but it can do some stuff when it has to at good enough speeds. This has 650mhz MIPSBE and 64MB of RAM.

little schooner Sep 16, 2019, 2:40 PM

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@pseudo blade I'm having trouble determining what cpu speed and amount of cores I need for quad 10gbps ports, non blocking

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If I want to make an ITX server

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Low power.

pseudo blade Sep 16, 2019, 2:40 PM

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It's very dependent on what features you want the router to have.

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Is this just pure routing? Are you masquerading? Any firewall rules?

little schooner Sep 16, 2019, 2:43 PM

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@pseudo blade well, I was going to make it a OPNsense box

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So OpenVPN, some firewall stuff

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And masquerade too for DNS resolution forwarding

pseudo blade Sep 16, 2019, 2:44 PM

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How much firewall stuff?

little schooner Sep 16, 2019, 2:44 PM

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@pseudo blade I'll say like 150 rules max

pseudo blade Sep 16, 2019, 2:45 PM

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That's quite a lot of rules.

little schooner Sep 16, 2019, 2:45 PM

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I'm being generous lol

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I didn't count how many rules I am using now

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Maybe it's like 40

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But spread across different vlans

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But I know the 8100 is OP for this

pseudo blade Sep 16, 2019, 2:46 PM

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8100?

little schooner Sep 16, 2019, 2:46 PM

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The Intel 8100

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I wanted to build it out

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A small ITX box

pseudo blade Sep 16, 2019, 2:47 PM

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80gbps aggregate at 64 byte, masquerading in one direction with 150 rules isn't exactly trivial.

little schooner Sep 16, 2019, 2:48 PM

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But let's say realistically today I needed just a single 10gbps port and routing only 40 rules

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A pentium could handle it?

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40 rules spread over different vlans, no more than 10 rules per interface

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I wish it were that easy to say "x cpu can handle x speed with x rules"

waxen scroll Sep 16, 2019, 2:49 PM

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it is easy to say

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vendors do it all the time

little schooner Sep 16, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Ughh lol

waxen scroll Sep 16, 2019, 2:50 PM

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then when you get there and it doesnt work they say sorry

little schooner Sep 16, 2019, 2:50 PM

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True

little schooner Sep 16, 2019, 5:04 PM

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@waxen scroll is this an example of passing the blame onto another vendor?

According to our HQ, our NVR/DVR cannot support the 3rd party camera via ONVIF HTTPS mode. The only way is to modify the camera to HTTP mode. Then try again.

Thank you!

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So, instead of fixing the root cause, they make me downgrade security

waxen scroll Sep 16, 2019, 7:59 PM

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its not on them to work with another vendor

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i have the same issue on my alarm system

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3rd party controller doesnt do encrypted mode

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sometimes you just cant

hollow marlin Sep 16, 2019, 11:10 PM

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@waxen scroll @clear igloo you guys ever run into a link not going up/up because its too hot, alarm hot, not threshold

waxen scroll Sep 16, 2019, 11:14 PM

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No

waxen scroll Sep 17, 2019, 12:00 AM

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all of my shit is in AC rooms

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ive seen switches fail due to heat before anything else on it tho

little schooner Sep 17, 2019, 12:04 AM

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@waxen scroll oh. So I should be concerned that my Edgerouter runs consistently hot, enough to burn if you leave hand there for about an hour?

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I never understood why the ER PoE 5 runs hot. It's not even using PoE

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Unless they leave it running 24/7 anyway

hollow marlin Sep 17, 2019, 12:14 AM

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@waxen scroll by too hot I mean too bright lol

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Like the laser is at high alarm at -5db

waxen scroll Sep 17, 2019, 12:21 AM

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no, i never really deal with that kind of optic

hollow marlin Sep 17, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Yeah its a weird one. Got a call this morning of a circuit flapping for a huge customer, saw it was at low threshold bouncing in and out. Light was at -8db days earlier. So I said fuck it, threw in a ZR until OSP can repair the fiber. Later tonight get a call again and now receive it too hot and link just went down.

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Something is on the fiber somewhere on the poles or it was and has been removed

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I have just never seen an optic not link when in warning

little schooner Sep 17, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Well, I got to give the helpdesk person credit, he personally asked the development team if they could consider developing the https ONVIF feature

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But unfortunately he said they aren't considering it this year

waxen scroll Sep 17, 2019, 5:13 PM

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they will if you pay

little schooner Sep 17, 2019, 5:14 PM

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@waxen scroll but they would want the big bucks

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I'm just mere consumer

waxen scroll Sep 17, 2019, 5:14 PM

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you can afford it

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you have other peoples money(tm)

little schooner Sep 17, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Oh right...

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But I don't want debt right now

waxen scroll Sep 17, 2019, 5:15 PM

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riverbed did this to us recently

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we took away $100k of license renewals

little schooner Sep 17, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Interesting

waxen scroll Sep 17, 2019, 5:15 PM

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yep. sometimes saying no or "we'll do it later" is the wrong move

little schooner Sep 17, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Yes, my teacher would say the same

waxen scroll Sep 17, 2019, 5:16 PM

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ive done similar in the service provider realm

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ATT pissed me off, so i redirected a bunch of business

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ATT was working with a 3rd party to get us internet access in a bunch of different countries

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the 3rd party was irresponsible and half the time ATT couldnt get status with them or internally

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ended up giving the business to a company whose CEO personally answers my emails for quotes and orders

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😄

little schooner Sep 17, 2019, 5:24 PM

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That's one ideal outcome

waxen scroll Sep 17, 2019, 5:29 PM

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i bet @hollow marlin dreams of a power move like that

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alpha chad

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you gotta love it when you keep getting screwed over and its very visible to you but your company takes no action

hollow marlin Sep 17, 2019, 7:40 PM

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@waxen scroll well that's what they get for setting up a resale account

waxen scroll Sep 17, 2019, 8:06 PM

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omg new ubnt product ❤

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https://www.ui.com/edgemax/edgerouter-12/

Ubiquiti - EdgeRouter™ 12

subtle glen Sep 17, 2019, 8:08 PM

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aaah the sfp ports are just gigabit

waxen scroll Sep 17, 2019, 8:09 PM

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of course. 10G routing is expensive

subtle glen Sep 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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true

hollow marlin Sep 17, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Mikrotik can do 10gig routing for 199

waxen scroll Sep 17, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Line rate?

little schooner Sep 17, 2019, 9:20 PM

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@hollow marlin also in small form factor?

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https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_rm

MikroTik

MikroTik is a Latvian company which was founded in 1996 to develop routers and wireless ISP systems. MikroTik now provides hardware and software for Internet connectivity in most of the countries around the world.

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That one right?

hollow marlin Sep 17, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Yeah the 4011. Line rate of you are not going through the switch chips

little schooner Sep 17, 2019, 9:24 PM

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The issue I see is that it doesn't have dnsmasq

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To me, I would say having dnsmasq on router is valuable.

hollow marlin Sep 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Isn't that just to inject hostnames into DNS?

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As well as cache records?

little schooner Sep 17, 2019, 9:50 PM

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@hollow marlin I use it to forward DNS queries to different DNS server, like for an internal active directory

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Ever since I did that, turning off the server computer no longer brings the whole network down

brave prairie Sep 18, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Link to where to learn a good tutorial about how to start networking?

little schooner Sep 18, 2019, 1:49 AM

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@brave prairie udemy courses, YouTube or, if you can afford it, a school that is member of Cisco networking academy

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Packet tracer or gns3 is your friend when learning networking stuff without a hardware investment

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I prefer Netacademy and it helped me learn A LOT

hollow marlin Sep 18, 2019, 2:09 AM

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Packet tracer is hands down the best way to learn networking in an environment

vocal swift Sep 18, 2019, 7:12 AM

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📎 IMG_20190918_101128.jpg

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We just got certified by the WFA

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(Or at least we're just celebrating it now)

slow pivot Sep 18, 2019, 11:51 AM

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The mikrotik switch I have can’t route line speed; it can switch line speed though

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 12:16 AM

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TP-Link TL-WPA8630 KIT AV1300/AC1350 Gigabit Powerline Wi-Fi Adapter Kit - HomePlug AV2 Technology w/Beamforming, Plug, Pair, and Play https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07JK8GC2Q/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_taa_gFSGDbR3XQD4T will powerline adapters work with old knob and tube wiring

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Knob and tube wiring is ancient wiring from the 1930s, it's a thick rope with one wire inside of it also every circuit has to be separated you can't add a new outlet on a knob and tube circuit without causing a fire, knob and tube wiring is no longer used since its difficult to use, it's safe to have as long as you dont modify the circuit, some insurance companies won't insure your house if you have all knot and tube wiring

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Old houses from the 1920s-1940s likely have knot and tube

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Well it's a switch, @slow pivot :P

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That said I'd like them to stretch the few extra dollars towards making the CPUs in the new ones a little less shit.

slow pivot Sep 19, 2019, 2:08 AM

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@pseudo blade I know 🙂 I'm just saying that even the Mikrotik stuff can't do routing at line speed, they only can in the switch portion

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:08 AM

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The RB4011, which was the subject of the above conversation actually can do 10-gig routing.

little schooner Sep 19, 2019, 2:09 AM

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@pseudo blade if only it supported dnsmasq

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That would make it easy to buy now.

slow pivot Sep 19, 2019, 2:09 AM

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@pseudo blade At line speed? that is impressive

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:10 AM

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It can't do a ton more, but it can do that.

little schooner Sep 19, 2019, 2:10 AM

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It doesn't do Line speed with rules

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Quad-core 1.4ghz ARM

little schooner Sep 19, 2019, 2:10 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20190918-221025_Chrome.jpg

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:10 AM

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If you're throwing a ton of rules at anything it's going to be slower.

little schooner Sep 19, 2019, 2:11 AM

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But why? :(

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:11 AM

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More CPU processing involved.

little schooner Sep 19, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Would a pentium do better?

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Or an atom quad core?

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:11 AM

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I'd doubt it.

hollow marlin Sep 19, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Yeah no hardware rule acceleration yet

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Xeon, for what you were asking the other day... I did some tests against a 3570k, which isn't that different.

little schooner Sep 19, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Did it sustain 10g?

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At much higher power cost though I bet

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:13 AM

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No, you probably need a better CPU.

little schooner Sep 19, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Oh

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And the only reason mikrotik comes close is because the cpu is designed to route fast with specific instruction sets right?

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:14 AM

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The CPU's not that special, besides the hardware-accelerated crypto.

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But Intel has that too.

little schooner Sep 19, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Although at lower power

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:15 AM

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It depends on what you're buying and how you use+configure it, as always.

little schooner Sep 19, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Dnsmasq, low power, and two devices with 10g link

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Connected to the mikrotik

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:16 AM

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The RB4011 would certainly be quieter than a PC routing at the same speed, but you have less options for interfaces (only one 10 gig port, so you'd be doing router on a stick)

little schooner Sep 19, 2019, 2:17 AM

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Oh only one?

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Aww

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:17 AM

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They have other ones with more.

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Their CCR line has options with way more SFP+ ports, but honestly I'm not sure if I could recommend them due to Mikrotik's reluctancy to multithread certain stuff and uncertain support in future.

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They're cool to look at, though...

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little schooner Sep 19, 2019, 2:20 AM

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My future setup would eventually consist of a SFF server with 10g nic (like Intel nuc or wider size), a 10g router (like mikrotik or other) and rack mount switch all in a single cabinet

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I'm trying to get rid of my big server since I use 4TB NVMe for the server storage

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That's blazing fast

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@pseudo blade

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:22 AM

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That's very fast.

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72-cores @ 1/1.2ghz, 8 SFP+ ports, that's what $3000USD gets you in Mikrotik land.

little schooner Sep 19, 2019, 2:23 AM

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That's highly affordable

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:23 AM

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They have basically this cut in half for $1095

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but 2SFP+ ports

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They proudly claim they'll support it long-term with software updates, but I don't know. First Routeros V7 beta is ARM-only, (mipsbe is a claimed future addition) so I'd give it a miss for a few months and see what they do.

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The software's the biggest letdown for them, sadly. When your cores are that slow and plentiful, you feel anything that won't scale properly.

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I reckon these would have simply been unbeatable if they'd shipped them with said scaling issues fixed from day dot.

hollow marlin Sep 19, 2019, 2:33 AM

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The cores wouldn’t matter if they put more hardware level routing in so it doesn’t have to hit the cpu

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 3:05 AM

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That would entirely defeat the point of such a processor.

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Hardware routing is inherently limited and inflexible.

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The reason you'd get such a massively parallel processor is so you can route very quickly and with the ability to implement whatever routing features you deem necessary in software.

hollow marlin Sep 19, 2019, 3:13 AM

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I get that, but there is a reason other vendors are throwing more hardware at the problem than just more cores.

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Single core bottlenecks are not just Mikrotik

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But adding hardware to support queueing and rules alone would be massive

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Low clock speeds can only process so fast.

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 8:59 AM

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https://www.speedtest.net/result/8602836511.png

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I just changed to a gigabit network, I should be getting 800 down 200 up

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I'm using a gigabit wifi dongle

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and 5 GHz, however it's not just about the wifi

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the entire connection is rather wack

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Considering I'm on the same provider and switched from FTTC to FTTH, the fastest speedtest I got so far was 250/200 standing next to the router

sinful vortex Sep 19, 2019, 9:00 AM

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well have you tried ethernet

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 9:01 AM

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I tried on my laptop but im not sure it has a gigabit ethernet and the results were worse than wifi

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Bad splice?

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 9:01 AM

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IDK what that is

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anyways I was expecting a kinda lower ping

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 9:01 AM

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yeah that's a pretty bad ping

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 9:02 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20190919-110209.jpg

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this is what I got on my phone standing in the exact same point

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I was expecting an improvement going from 100/20 FTTC to 1000/200 ftth

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fastest speedtest so far was 220/200

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 9:03 AM

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As I'd expect too.

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 9:03 AM

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this is fast.com for reference

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 9:03 AM

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The thing with fiber is that the line can't have any hard bends in it, and the splice has to be good.

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conecting 2 ends of a fiber cable together is spliceing

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 9:04 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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apologize for the italian but i guess you can still understand it

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 9:04 AM

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https://www.speedtest.net/result/8602847689.png

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Here's mine

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 9:04 AM

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is there any way for me to check whether the splice is good or not?

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 9:04 AM

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Idk

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 9:04 AM

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I mean I should have a device that im 100% sure can achieve 1000 mbps

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 9:04 AM

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On mine the tech had to check the levels.

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 9:05 AM

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but my phone had faster speedtests in 4g

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 9:05 AM

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YOu didnt check it on lan?

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 9:05 AM

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well I did on my laptop

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but im not sure it could achieve that high speeds

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because im using an adapter

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 9:05 AM

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The wifi router they gave you probably isn't good then.

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 9:05 AM

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🤔

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guess i'll settle with this for now

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too bad they went away before i could properly test

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Like the one they gave me, I can only do 100/100 on wifi.

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 9:06 AM

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my brother has a laptop with a good ethernet

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should try on his

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but i dont think the ping will improve

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one thing i noticed is the wifi always says 3/4

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while it said 4/4 before

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with the same 5 ghz connection

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 9:06 AM

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No, having wifi, the ping is only like a 1 ms diffrence.

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 9:07 AM

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the 192.168.1.1 used to say the speed received by the router

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from the external connection

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now it doesnt say it anymore

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this honestly doesn't feel like FTTH

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I did a ping test to google and it says 122 ms that's wack

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bruh

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📎 unknown.png

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 9:21 AM

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That IP Address has to be in the United States

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📎 gasgasgd.PNG

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 9:31 AM

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I just googled google ip

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well i pinged google.it and its 34 ms

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 10:24 AM

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tried with ethernet and its like it was capped at 500 mbps

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 12:50 PM

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Yeah, that's how it is on mine during peak hours.

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 1:43 PM

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@plush wolf Are you using openfiber fiber infrastructure?

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Yes

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 1:44 PM

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i cant reach the 1 gbps in download too even tho im connected with ethernet etc

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i think its also the fact that there were some bends in the fiber when they installed it

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 1:44 PM

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Where u from?

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Yeah it might be

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 1:44 PM

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italy

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Oh cool

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I'm on Vodafone

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 1:45 PM

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im using infostrada

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 1:45 PM

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My brother achieved 500 Mbps via Ethernet with a cat5e

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 1:45 PM

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i bypassed the modem tho

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 1:45 PM

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I'm hoping they capped me at 500/200

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If they did I'd easily get to 500 WiFi and 800 cabled

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 1:45 PM

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isp modems are never that good especially over wifi

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Ikr

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I might buy one but not sure

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 1:46 PM

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thats why i bridge mode'd mine and i use a tp link one for wifi, not the best but definitely better than the isp one

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 1:46 PM

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I wanna buy a 7530

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But idk it's kinda expensive and I'm about to move

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However the signal is weaker than before

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 1:46 PM

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fritzbox?

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 1:47 PM

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Yep

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They gave me a new router exactly like the other one

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 1:47 PM

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did open fiber put the media converter in your house? Ive heard they do it with vodafone

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 1:47 PM

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And the connection is worse but faster

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Idk what you mean

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Media converter as in ONT?

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 1:49 PM

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i think it's also the fact that the passive fiber cabinet in the street has to share something like a 10 Gbps link and those boxes can have 250 homes plugged in, so thats why the connection is never as declared

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yeah

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like this one

📎 img-4516-0a7119de0c2e7a7edfda701ee9c6693da.png

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Yeah I have the exact same one

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 1:49 PM

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so it's common for vodafone

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Yeah what about it?

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U think it makes it slower?

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 1:50 PM

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with infostrada i dont have that, fiber goes into an sfp module and into the modem

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nah i was just curious since u said u wanted a fritz box

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Idk if I would be able to use it

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But I'm not sure I'm willing to do anything to get it better

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 1:51 PM

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you might have to copy the mac address of the vodafone modem or the pppoe credentials

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but i dont think it's necessary with the ont

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 1:52 PM

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I'll see

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Can u send me your speedtest?

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 1:55 PM

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this is one i just took

📎 Capture1.JPG

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this is one of the best i've had

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plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Nice

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 1:57 PM

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i was expecting at least 800/900

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Heh

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Nothing changes tho

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And u got a lower ping

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Can u ping google.it on cmd?

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 1:58 PM

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but heh, better than the old one

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📎 ping_ggle.JPG

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:01 PM

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Eh

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I get 35

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Isn't terrible but isn't 4

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:01 PM

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i get 3 on google.com lol

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:02 PM

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I think it's the same

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:03 PM

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i think google is connected to the MIX (milan exchange point) which is the one im probably conencted to so that might explain it

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yep, there's a 70 gb link to google there

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 2:10 PM

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Mine's on a 100G link to google.

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📎 GoogleIP.PNG

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:12 PM

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if i ping that ip i get 128 ms

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every american service i ping is always 100+ lol

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Yep, it's located somewhere in America lol

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What country u from?

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:13 PM

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italy, milan

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Let me look what my ping is to Italy

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:14 PM

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216.58.205.99 i think this is the ip of that exchange point

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*of the google server connected to it

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 2:14 PM

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I get 132 ms to that

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https://www.speedtest.net/result/8603593361.png

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:15 PM

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oh well

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 2:15 PM

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This is to vodaphone in Milan

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Only 4,800 Mi

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:15 PM

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also a friend from usa playing in my minecraft server had 100 of ping

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i guess theres nothing you can do to lower it xD

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 2:16 PM

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No

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I think on my server it would be even worse for you.

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I force all my traffic through a bungeecord proxy in Canada.

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OVH

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:17 PM

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it would be like playing on mineplex xD

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 2:17 PM

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You would probably get like a 130 ms ping there.

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Yeah

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It's ping to OVH + 30 ms

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OVH is 30ms from me lol

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:17 PM

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when all the americans get back home from school i can feel the slow down lol

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 2:18 PM

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Like I know that people can still get IPs behind bungeecord proxies but it prevents just anyone from DoS ing the server.

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Like noobs, they won't be able to DoS it

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DDoS/DoS

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:18 PM

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some kids that watched yt tutorials

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 2:18 PM

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Yeah they would never find the real ip

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They would find the cloudflare IP, what method they use? Ping?

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To find the IP? lol

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:19 PM

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good luck ddos'ing cloudflare kids

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:20 PM

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this is the speedtest i got

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rn

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on my pc

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the dongle im using is 802.11ac

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 2:20 PM

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They could get the proxy IP from wireshark

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:20 PM

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https://www.speedtest.net/result/8603608776.png

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what i dont understand is why it marks as 3/4 signal

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both on phone and pc

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on mobile i just got 80/160

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 2:21 PM

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But they wouldn't be able to get the actual backend IP unless they scanned it with nmap, I don't even know what the command is for that though.

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:21 PM

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NBN fixed wireless in Australia is soul-crushingly slow around that 5-12PM mark. 40/10mbps connection becomes a 2/5mbps connection.

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Oof

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Mine will drop down to 300 Mbps during peak hours.

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300/940

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:22 PM

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we all know australia is famous for its internet infrastructures

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Yeah

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:22 PM

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I could blame schoolchildren, but the problem is that the people responsible for infrastructure were fucking morons who deserve their own special place in hell.

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:22 PM

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hehehe

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📎 1.png

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telsra

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Vodafone website says my offer is 500/100

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but i get 200 up

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:22 PM

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oh hey let's provision zero with rounding error backhaul per connection it'll go great

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:23 PM

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if only i could get above 500 in down iwould know its bad quality

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 2:23 PM

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For some reason, I heard that AUS only has 1 big fiber wire going to to their island from Asia.

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:23 PM

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mine should be 1000/100, the upload is 100 but the dowload varies a lot

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:23 PM

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No, we've got a few dozen @thick minnow

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 2:23 PM

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It would be multiple strands of fibre, but still that doesn't seem right

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Yeah

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:23 PM

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They go everywhere.

thick minnow Sep 19, 2019, 2:23 PM

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That's what I was thinking.

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Someone told me it was just 1 big wire from Asia lol

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I was thinking "There's no way"

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:24 PM

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https://www.submarinecablemap.com

https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

Submarine Cable Map

A comprehensive and regularly updated interactive map of the world's major submarine cable systems and landing stations.

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:25 PM

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lol imagine someone dropping an anchor and shutting down an entire continent internet

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:25 PM

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I don't think that is exhaustive, but gives you an idea.

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:25 PM

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with 1 cable only

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:26 PM

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I think even NK has redundant links.

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:26 PM

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I'm honestly fine with the speeds

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but I can't get why the signal is weaker than before

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my mom's room is not covered anymore

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or barely

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:27 PM

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i'm not please my country is dying

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:27 PM

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like plz help

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:27 PM

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buy an access point like an ubiquiti one and disable the isp modem wifi

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:27 PM

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my mom will kill me because i wanted to change

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duud the question is why should I change anything

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the signal is supposed to be stronger than before

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not weaker

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:28 PM

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thats why u should change

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:28 PM

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the router is another one with the exact same design ports etc

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so should have the same antennas

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i dont see why the connection would be weaker tbh

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:29 PM

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i had problems with the 5ghz modem wifi band even tho the modem was "new model" etc etc

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:29 PM

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and the fact that i cant check the speed

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through the 192.168.1.1

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:29 PM

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there should be an option to check that

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like in the diagnostic tab or something

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:37 PM

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yeah but it doesnt show

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it should, but it doesn't

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it used to when i had the 100 mbps

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now even my moms iphone when next to the router doesnt cross 200 mbps

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and its an iphone x so not the device

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i really really cant stand this lmao

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:39 PM

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on my old adsl line i could see the speed thing. On the fiber line i dont remember if i could see it or if it was showing 0 even tho internet was fine

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lol buy an access point if you want faster wifi

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:40 PM

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i dont understand why i would

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connection is stronger than before

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its not about access points

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:48 PM

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@hollow marlin Mikrotik have parallel queues, see the graph provided. Wirespeed at larger MTUs.

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Ok speedtest via ethernet

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did 450

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Now I'm 99% confident it's capped

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:50 PM

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or maybe its peak hours?

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Doubt

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nobody has this connection yet

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here

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I'm confident im the first in the building getting the ftth

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anyways i dont see how peak hours would reduce the range

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:52 PM

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i thought i was the first one to get ftth since they put the cabinet less than a week ago when they connected me, but it seems like there were already some clients connected

📎 IMG_20190112_131530.jpg

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the wifi is a modem problem

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:53 PM

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but how

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the modem is the same as before

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vodafone station revolution

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:53 PM

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did they reset the settings or something when connecting it to the ont?

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:53 PM

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as bad as it might be

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yeah

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 2:53 PM

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maybe wifi channel changed or something

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 2:54 PM

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I tried using the tool already

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Triggered

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whatever

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 2:56 PM

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@hollow marlin Also keep in mind that said routing ASICs are not in the same league for pricing, and are targeted at a completely different market. If you're not hitting architectural limitations for how much you can route with processors available to you, ASIC routing is often not an economically viable solution.

hollow marlin Sep 19, 2019, 3:19 PM

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@pseudo blade I can't argue about cost for sure

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Like here in Aus if you didn't own an undersea fiber cable, a commercial datacentre or go by "Optus" or "Telstra" I doubt you need routing ASICs.

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And even then I'd doubt they'd be needing all that many.

fleet widget Sep 19, 2019, 3:28 PM

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@pseudo blade So wait, if Huawei is laying all the undersea cable, and they are banned from the US, then how are they going to replace undersea cable if it gets cut (because obviously Huawei can't arrive on US shores).

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Hm? They aren't laying all of it.

fleet widget Sep 19, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Ok, so how does Huawei even play into it?

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 3:30 PM

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You're the one that brought up the name. Do you mean that they sponsored the map I posted earlier?

fleet widget Sep 19, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Yes

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 3:31 PM

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They do stuff in that field.

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That's a little different from "all".

fleet widget Sep 19, 2019, 3:31 PM

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So like inspections of undersea cable?

pseudo blade Sep 19, 2019, 3:32 PM

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Go look what you want up if you're curious. I don't claim to be an expert in what Huawei do.

fleet widget Sep 19, 2019, 3:32 PM

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K

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 3:34 PM

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i'd say huawei its one of the many companies that lay undersea cable

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there's google, amazon, facebook, microsoft and more

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Huawei is in the EU as important as Google is in the US

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talking about networking

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works very close with vodafone and other providers too

subtle glen Sep 19, 2019, 3:49 PM

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just look at the brand of your ont for example 😄

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or my sfp transceiver

plush wolf Sep 19, 2019, 3:49 PM

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IKR

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well actually

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all router/modems vodafone uses are made from huawei