#networking | Linus Tech Tips | Page 164

pseudo blade Jul 11, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Hm. So you don't really need gigabit routing to the outside world at this point, just for shoving data around inside the house. Having one wifi router/AP for the place will probably suck no matter what you buy.

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You'd go gigabit anyways, as it's not expensive.

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What's your current setup, and what do you hate about it?

rich gust Jul 11, 2019, 3:44 PM

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Long story short I'm paying $130 to Comcast every month, and have finally been able to get out of the contract. A $12 per month router rental is included within that price.

pseudo blade Jul 11, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Was the provided router good enough?

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...ignoring the rental for now.

rich gust Jul 11, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Most of the time, at least. During certain times of day it was basically unusable in a few rooms. Mine and my mom's, to be specific.

pseudo blade Jul 11, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Are those rooms far away from the router?

rich gust Jul 11, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Quite. Would you mind going into vc instead? Probably would be easier to sort all of this out, and I could also use my phone and actually show you what my current setup looks like.

pseudo blade Jul 11, 2019, 3:49 PM

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It's near 2AM here.

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🇦🇺

oak frost Jul 11, 2019, 3:49 PM

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oooof 2AM. can't relate

rich gust Jul 11, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Rip lol, no worries.

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Yeah it's nearly 12 PM here. 🤷

oak frost Jul 11, 2019, 3:50 PM

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10:50am lmao

little schooner Jul 11, 2019, 3:56 PM

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11:50am for me 🙃

pseudo blade Jul 11, 2019, 4:05 PM

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I'd go for something like this https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2, maybe buy two and set to allow roaming between whichever's closest, but they're certainly not normal consumer products and it shows in the setup process. YMMV. Cable as much in as you can.

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Are they WiFi 6? Very much not. Are they long-range? No. But you'd get APs you can put wherever's convenient and they're cheap enough that you won't be losing much when you toss them one day for a newer model.

hollow marlin Jul 11, 2019, 5:32 PM

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@pseudo blade I have 6 ac2s in my place. Nothing can beat it for the price

quasi trail Jul 12, 2019, 2:36 AM

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📎 IMG_20190710_211202.jpg

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Finished cleaning up my setup for now

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 3:02 AM

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Ahh, thats beautiful

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spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 3:56 AM

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does anyone have a recommended place that has cheap domains and hosting (websites)
dont need fast load times just need it to work and have domains

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:02 AM

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@spiral pebble not for both, but for cheap domains, namesilo is where i got mine

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:02 AM

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cool

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:03 AM

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They also have some of the most robust domain protection features too

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:03 AM

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just want to do a custom speedtest thing via ookla but dont have a webhost since my home server is currently packed in a box

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:03 AM

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I see.

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:03 AM

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yes. i dont have anywhere to put it in my new house yet

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it sucks but does its job as a fileserver/webserver

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:04 AM

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Is it physically big?

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I was thinking of downsizing my server to something that could hold a 10g nic card and a 4TB nvme

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getting rid of my big tower case

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:05 AM

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well uh that makes my server seem like a potato

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oh wait

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it is

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C2D lga775

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4gb ddr2 ram

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:06 AM

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oh yeah that goes way back

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:06 AM

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using a geforce 8600GS as a video output

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yeah

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built it out of parts from scrapped computers my school was throwing away

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and an old prebuilt form 2009 supplies the 8600GS

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from*

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some random hard drives i had lying around as well

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in total like $40 for the drives and thats it, everything else was free for a media vault / webserver

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:08 AM

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$40 huh....

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i paid a little over $1000 for mine hehe

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:08 AM

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yeah well

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:08 AM

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thats good deal you got though

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:08 AM

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its from before i had my new rig

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i was pure laptop and ran out of storage

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:08 AM

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my brother was the same

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:08 AM

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so needed a place to store like 500GB of old pictures/random files and backups

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:08 AM

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laptop only

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:08 AM

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so built that

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it took

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like

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4 fucking days

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to transfer

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cause LGA775 is SATA II (3GBs max, over OLDDDDD barracudas and WD blues)

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but yeah theyve got cheap .xyz domains ill just do that

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:10 AM

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yeah that must of taken forever, a drag really

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namesilo is pretty cheap

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:10 AM

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yeah, but its a vault more than a server

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it doesnt run unless i need it to

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:11 AM

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thats better. you save energy costs

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:11 AM

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yeah.

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really it only drew like 100W max so

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wasnt too worried

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:11 AM

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at least over here, where the electric bill can easily be over $120

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leaving the server 24/7

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:11 AM

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yeah, my mum was worried about my new PC causing that

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she thought that cause i had a 650W psu it would be CONSTANTLY drawing 650W

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:12 AM

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The solution to that was to use ssd or nvme only with low tdp processor

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psu will only draw as it needs luckily

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so that fear can be put down

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:12 AM

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yes but she didnt know that

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:12 AM

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oh

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yeah.

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:12 AM

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now she does

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im surprised at how efficient it is anyways

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i havent drawn more than 550W yet

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might have even been less than 500

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:13 AM

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my system is drawing 117 watts now

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:13 AM

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let me check

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:13 AM

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I have a UPS connected and all the battery ports are plugged in

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so it tells me the draw from that

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:14 AM

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is there utilities that can show power draw

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or thats gonna be psu specific im guessing

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:15 AM

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Not sure about software utility. I've used the Kill-a-watt wall plug-in and then plug the computer to that and it tells me wattage

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my ups has the power draw in watts on an lcd screen i can look at

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:16 AM

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i dont have a ups unfortunately

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:16 AM

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power is something windows probably cant see that well

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:16 AM

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on a tight ass budget i only have the one case fan that came with the case

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literally went broke buying the parts

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took 8 months

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:16 AM

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yikes

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:16 AM

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i just ordered fans tho

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but

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it feels so wrong

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:16 AM

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I went with some noctua fans

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:16 AM

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ryzen 7 1700 and gtx 1660 OC

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playing on 1360x768/60Hz

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this just FEELS wrong

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the screen is also like 29 inches

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so

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:17 AM

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on the bright side, you will get crazy high frames

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:17 AM

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pixel density is horrid

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too bad i cant see them

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:17 AM

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heh

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:17 AM

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seriously i always forget that gey is censored

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:18 AM

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I haven't noticed that really

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:18 AM

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so i can say fuck you @stable ice but not g a y

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:18 AM

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very weird yeah

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:18 AM

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well

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im hoping to get a monitor on prime day

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get paid at some point today early morning (midnight ish rn)

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Yeah they will slash prices on some for sure

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:18 AM

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so

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going for 144hz

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gonna be sweet

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ive played on a 60hz laptop my whole life

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never even been able to hit constant 60fps anyways

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:19 AM

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I want to save up for this https://www.amazon.com/Fluke-Networks-MicroScanner-Verifier-Identifies/dp/B07NJMKG9L/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=ms+poe&qid=1562905158&s=industrial&sr=1-3

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I will be doing some camera install and other jobs with network upgrades at dentist offices and other small businesses

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I think that will help me out a lot to have.

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sure, I could go with the cheaper klein tools one but...

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:20 AM

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im gonna be doing IT at my current job i think

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:20 AM

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I have a few jobs lined up so

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that should pay for itself

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:20 AM

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i found out our store doesnt have a dedicated IT guy

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Oh yeah you could be the IT guy then

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:20 AM

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we go and pay for outsider repairs

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they arent exactly trusting a 16 year old tho lol

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Well if you stick with them, they could consider

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:21 AM

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my supervisor knows me cause hes seen my pc and shit but the 60 year old managers dont lol

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:21 AM

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but move on if you see better opp

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I got my career started from high school

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my first certification, comptia a+

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then from there i went to networking

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:21 AM

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btw, July 26th is Sys-Mas

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:22 AM

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hah, thats a nice play on words

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:22 AM

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happy sysadmin day

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sysmas just sounds better

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:22 AM

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im on sysadmin reddit

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i've helped a few people

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someone even gave me reddit gold

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:22 AM

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https://www.google.com/search?q=sysadmin+day

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woo

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soon

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lol

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ive never gotten reddit silver or anything

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ive only been on it for like 8 months tho

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most upvoted post only has 300ish upvotes and its on r/amd

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 4:23 AM

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I've had my fair share of conflicts on reddit but in the end, i've learned from all the interactions

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there is a lot of good info in there

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The fact that sometimes you can get immediate help is awesome too

spiral pebble Jul 12, 2019, 4:24 AM

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yeah but literally i just got my upvotes from posting a screenshot of userbenchmark saying that ryzen 9 is the highest benched non-hedt processor

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yeah i love it

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had a lot of help on r/bapccanada and r/hardware

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i got taken down from pcpp tho when i posted my server

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cause they said it needed to be complete, and they assumed cause it was in a cardboard box it wasnt done

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little do they know the cardboard box is actually the case

viscid warren Jul 12, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Anyone here into cisco? I am starting to study for CCNA. I want to buy a full lab for home but I am not really sure on what to get. If anyone has any insight I would greatly appreciate it.

clear igloo Jul 12, 2019, 11:33 AM

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I wouldn't worry about a lab for CCNA but if you plan to go for your CCNP later on then I would get a lab now

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Heck, these days if you're just going down the R&S path then I wouldn't even bother with a physical lab, I would do it all virtually on something like Packet.net with VIRL or similar

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@viscid warren Are you just doing R&S for now or do you plan to go into different tracks later on? Keep in mind that Feb 2020 the certs change too

waxen scroll Jul 12, 2019, 2:30 PM

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@clear igloo no u

calm shale Jul 12, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Hey, what’s a good buy cheap dual band router that can handle 100mbs

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 7:30 PM

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@calm shale https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-AC1200-Wireless-Router-F9K1123/dp/B00JY4QCJQ/ref=sr_1_277?keywords=dual+band+5ghz+router&qid=1562959781&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011&rnid=2470954011&rps=1&s=gateway&sr=8-277

gaunt hawk Jul 12, 2019, 7:33 PM

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I had that router and it has some real issues with the 5ghtz band. I probably wouldn't buy it.

subtle glen Jul 12, 2019, 7:34 PM

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that router 😳

gaunt hawk Jul 12, 2019, 7:34 PM

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https://community.belkin.com/s/question/0D53400003Spo6zCAB/issues-with-5ghz-transmissions-from-wireless-ac-routers

subtle glen Jul 12, 2019, 7:34 PM

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i would not go belkin lol

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 7:35 PM

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well you did say cheap

gaunt hawk Jul 12, 2019, 7:35 PM

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Its sitting next to me on the floor if someone really wants it lol

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 7:35 PM

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did you mean a good value router?

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thats different.

subtle glen Jul 12, 2019, 7:35 PM

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@little schooner true

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 7:36 PM

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@gaunt hawk https://www.amazon.com/Dual-Band-Super-Fast-Gigabit-MU-MIMO-RT-ACRH13/dp/B01LXL1AR8/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=asus+router&qid=1562960143&s=gateway&sr=8-6

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I've had asus for the longest time and they've never broke on me ever

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Another brand that hasn't broke on me is tplink

gaunt hawk Jul 12, 2019, 7:36 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079JD7F7G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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I got this one for like $55 and its worked great so far

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 7:37 PM

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i was just about to link that

gaunt hawk Jul 12, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Looks like it is 20% atm as well

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lol

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 7:37 PM

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my sister has that one

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it hasn't powered off for years

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solid performance

gaunt hawk Jul 12, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Yeah the Belkin one would like reset almost daily, I don't know why I put up with it for 5 years

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Im happy that AC wireless is affordable

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i want to get my friend off the linksys router

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with b/g

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cant believe they still sell them https://www.amazon.com/Linksys-WRT54GL-Wireless-G-Broadband-Router/dp/B000BTL0OA/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=linksys+b%2Fg&qid=1562960386&s=gateway&sr=8-8

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like wth

gaunt hawk Jul 12, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Sounds like a good plan, that AC 1750 is $45 before tax right now if he would want that

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Ha my parents had that one

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 7:41 PM

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I get that it was super reliable for a lot of people but still...

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its 2019 its time to move on

gaunt hawk Jul 12, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Man when I sold cell phones people would come in with the oldest stuff and wonder why it wasn't working very well

little schooner Jul 12, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Even my Gateway desktop from 2006 still works today

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gateway, a defunct company.

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They used the cow as their mascot

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They even had their own space where they sold direct to customers

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gaunt hawk Jul 12, 2019, 7:51 PM

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I used to play in old cow boxes of my dads as a kid. Loved those boxes.

viscid warren Jul 13, 2019, 3:07 AM

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@clear igloo I plan on getting my CCNP most likely in Security. (not 100% sure though still new)I plan on having my CCNA before Feb 2020.

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I have a good budget and would like to get a lab with the future in mind. I just don't know exactly what to get.

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I feel like for myself it would be best to buy something physical so I can put my hands on it. Just helps me understand better.

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It also helps motivate myself seeing the physical components

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 3:20 AM

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@viscid warren 3 routers, 3 switches and one Asa would be a good start

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That will cover security course

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And ccna, ccnp

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1921s, 2960s, 5505 asa

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Or do VIRL

viscid warren Jul 13, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Thank you. @little schooner

hollow void Jul 13, 2019, 10:03 AM

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@strange silo i have a camping my grandparents are in the summer, and because they're (probably) on the end of the line, which makes it hard to have good wifi when other companies need it. so i was thinking about a suggestion for setting up a caching server there. but i have no idea where to focus on

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Ok so a transparant proxy cache setup then

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Squid is last I check still widely used for that

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Just be aware that you can't cache any HTTPS/SSL websites and content, not without breaking the chain and MITM those connections which isn't a good idea

hollow void Jul 13, 2019, 10:11 AM

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@strange silo so almost no sites?

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and if i wanted to, what should i focus on hardwarewise?

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 10:18 AM

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Squid doesn't require a lot, you can use a Pi and a USB HDD if you wanted just not in transparent mode though. You can just setup DHCP to auto configure proxy settings on the clients though. https://the-server.ninja/2016/03/26/using-a-raspberry-pi-as-a-squid-proxy-cache/

The-Server.Ninja

Severn

Using a Raspberry Pi as a Squid proxy cache – updated for 2018

Quick and easy guide showing you how to configure your Raspberry Pi as a Squid Cache

hollow void Jul 13, 2019, 10:22 AM

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@strange silo well... i don't have a load of like a couple clients

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I'm talking about something on the frontend

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 10:23 AM

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A Pi can still do a lot, Squid isn't that resource intensive especially on a low bandwidth internet connection

hollow void Jul 13, 2019, 10:24 AM

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it's not low bandwidth per say, it's just that it's end of line

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 10:24 AM

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I had a school of 350 running off a VM hosted on a dual Xeon 800MHz on a 100/100 connection long ago

hollow void Jul 13, 2019, 10:24 AM

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it's that light?

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 10:24 AM

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reliable part choice is more important than performance

hollow void Jul 13, 2019, 10:25 AM

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so let's say i have 200 clients hitting up 20 websites

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all I'd need is a raspberry pi?

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 10:25 AM

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that's Pentium II era hardware lol

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your phone is probably 10 times faster minimum 😛

hollow void Jul 13, 2019, 10:25 AM

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ah, so a pi 3 or something would do?

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and does squid work on arm?

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 10:27 AM

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yep

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Probably wouldn't use a Pi for a fixed long term install, don't trust the power packs

hollow void Jul 13, 2019, 10:28 AM

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ah, so something along the lines of a 200ge?

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and then with a whisper or something

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 10:29 AM

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Something like that

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personally I'd be ebaying a low power xeon

hollow void Jul 13, 2019, 10:30 AM

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is ecc any important here?

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 10:32 AM

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nope

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Just that you can get E3-1200's for $40 USD and less

hollow void Jul 13, 2019, 10:33 AM

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yeah, but that's also the newprice of a 200ge

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or at least close to

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 10:35 AM

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new vs used isn't that big of a deal, not compared to finding a motherboard to put the CPU in if going used

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that can be a pain

hollow void Jul 13, 2019, 10:39 AM

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yeah, true

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but yeah, that cleared up a lot

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thanks

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Let's not spread misinformation, ok? Your results are great but let's do the things the proper way (just like you do your PC builds properly, let's do networking the same way).```
Ummm.... yah..... No

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 11:34 AM

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Ah what? That's so wrong

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@clear igloo Where was that posted? On Jays video where he kept poking fun at the Cat5e internet commentators? lol

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 11:39 AM

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Yup

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 11:39 AM

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hah knew it

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 12:12 PM

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What's the best solution for multiple security cameras? NVR from the same manufacture or FTP server?

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 12:13 PM

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Depends on your budget and what you care about. If you just want to record then FTP server, if you want live playback and timeline scrubbing then NVR

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 12:14 PM

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i guess the nvr then is a better choice

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Alright, thank you

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 12:16 PM

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@subtle glen Milestone is free for 8 cameras

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 12:20 PM

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because here is the situation. Once again, tonight between 2 and 3 AM we had vandals messing around in the parking lot/breaking fire hydrant glasses etc. And also there is another guy that sometimes goes there to put glue in the keyholes of the garages doors. So at this point i am pretty sure we will request security cameras to put in the parking lot. I have one there but it only records the front of my garage (for legal reasons). I dont think 8 cameras will be enough but we will see what the building administrator says

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maybe he wants to go cheap

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 12:21 PM

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Well if you need more than 8 I think a lot of the cheaper packaged solutions struggle to do more than 8

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Milestone isn't too expensive to pay for to get more camaeras

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we have somewhere between 250-500 and 3 recording servers

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 12:22 PM

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maybe 8 are enough, i don't know where they could decide to put them

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wait, 250-500 cameras?

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 12:24 PM

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Just an interesting fyi, don't go too high resolution if you are interested in night time recording. Interesting thing about that is that increases the grain in the image

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yea

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 12:24 PM

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damn wtf

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 12:24 PM

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you can still use good ones, just don't throw in super high res 4k ones etc

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3MP is a good choice, with correct placement

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 12:25 PM

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mine is i think 2k, would probably work well if it wasnt for the powerlines i use to connect it to the nas. I often have corrupted videos due to that

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 12:26 PM

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Yea that's about the right ones to use

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About 8 years ago now, I think, I got a really good run down of the Axis product range from an Axis pre-sales engineer who explained which cameras should be used where and why and how to use IR blasters

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 12:28 PM

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i guess you use them to see further away?

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 12:29 PM

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More so you can see them, if it's really dark but most of the time IR blasters can hurt more than help

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who knew heh

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 12:29 PM

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hahaha

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 12:29 PM

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same goes for movement activated lights

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aka camera blinders

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 12:29 PM

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yeah, its like pointing a flashlight to it

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the camera doesnt see anymore

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 12:30 PM

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IR does the same but can do it worse

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because you can't see that it's doing it

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until you view the footage

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 12:31 PM

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well, ir blasters here would not be necessary cause we have lights in the parking lot, and the kind of people that comes here is not smart

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 12:32 PM

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best strategy I heard was using larger(ish) dummy cameras to get people to look towards the real one while trying to hide from the fake

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 12:32 PM

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lol

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 12:33 PM

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that and those are the ones that they will see and try and damage first

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 12:33 PM

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Also, with those NVR's that have like 8 ethernet ports on the back to hook up the cameras, are you forced to plug them directly into the nvr or you can use like a poe switch to connect them and then have a single cable going into the nvr?

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 12:34 PM

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far as I know using a switch is fine, not actually used any of them

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 12:35 PM

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just so that the nvr does not have to stay downstairs in a garage with humidity etc

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:22 PM

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dennyIshung

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:22 PM

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@strange silo And...... comment was deleted, lol

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@waxen scroll I see you O_O

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:22 PM

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n-no

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i just paid your salary for 7 years

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placed an expensive order yesterday

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:23 PM

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You signed up for SVS services?

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:23 PM

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hahahahahaha

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:23 PM

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i could have bought a large house, but instead it goes to lurick

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:24 PM

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You didn't sign up for my services, you paid me nothing! 😛

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:24 PM

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lol

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:24 PM

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no, our var has a CCIE who can do what you do

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:25 PM

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sounds like a roast to me

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:25 PM

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I cri ;-;

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:25 PM

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its not. thats what a var is supposed to do

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thats where the V comes from

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if we do new stuff, homie is supposed to be a lurick

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he was CC'd on our quote request and wanted to make sure we knew about the mixing modules problem

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😄

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:27 PM

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lol 😄

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 1:28 PM

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@clear igloo Aww damn, I may have also found it and told him to not (in)correct people with actual wrong/misinformation lol

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:28 PM

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Haha, did you like the 1 reply that was there already? 😛

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 1:28 PM

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yes that was me

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:28 PM

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😄

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:28 PM

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@clear igloo the order was expensive enough that the procurement system added a 3rd level of approval

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:29 PM

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@waxen scroll wow, must have been over tree fiddy 😛

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:29 PM

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what did you buy o_O

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:29 PM

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it was

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:29 PM

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He bought Chuck Robbins a new boat XD

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:29 PM

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ohh i see

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:29 PM

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i bought a bunch of nexus 7k cards

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:29 PM

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not a tp link switch?

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 1:29 PM

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ewwww

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:30 PM

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oh btw i notice no one talks about hp switches

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are they good?

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:30 PM

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They are meh

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:30 PM

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we just bought a ton of them but i dont work with them. all i can say is they work

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 1:30 PM

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we used to use HPE switches

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some are fine, some are not

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:31 PM

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ofc lurick cant say they are good

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lol jk

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:31 PM

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i came from a job that used 99% extreme networks switches

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 1:31 PM

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now they are moving a lot over to Aruba and dumping the crappier stuff

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:31 PM

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I had to configure some HP or Dell switches a while back, they weren't horrible to work with but I barely touched them so shrug

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:31 PM

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😄

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Anyone up to help me with something?

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Describe your issue or be routed to Null0! 😛

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:32 PM

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ahhh wish i could understand these networking jokes too

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 1:32 PM

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I think it was the 5120's that had extremely bad flash chips in them and they all, I mean all eventually write wore to death

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issue fixed with the 5130's

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:33 PM

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I've 2 routers. One upstairs one downstairs.
Sonos boost connected to downstairs.
And trying to control a sonos speaker upstairs.

I've disabled DHCP on the upstairs router and gave it an IP manually.
This worked at first. And i was able to "control" the Sonos. Only after 5 minutes it stopped working and refused to work.

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:34 PM

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lmao... 3+ years for entry level NOC

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i dont think they read my profile

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:34 PM

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@waxen scroll you bought these?

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waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:34 PM

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@subtle glen yes

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:34 PM

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damn what are you planning on doing

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:34 PM

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@broken cosmos So you basically put it into AP mode? Did you disable NAT and whatnot too?

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:34 PM

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what are those, qsfp?

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:35 PM

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SFP+

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:35 PM

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@subtle glen its a lifecycle refresh. they replace old cards that cisco wont support anymore

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:35 PM

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Everything was left untouched. Except DHCP got turned off. @clear igloo

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:35 PM

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Hmm, check to make sure NAT and other services are turned off would be my first step

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:35 PM

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for curiosity, do you know how long does the support last?

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:36 PM

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like 5-8 years i think?

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:36 PM

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Yah, usually 5 to 8 years, give or take

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:36 PM

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and thats from when the product hit the market... not when you buy it

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:37 PM

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cause a few weeks ago i wrote something about this enterprise replacing all the wired network with ap's so that they dont have to change switches every 3 years cause of the support that expires

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but 3 years is a very short time

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:37 PM

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Yah, 3 years is way too short

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:37 PM

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3-5 years is a typical refresh

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:37 PM

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for 10k switches

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:38 PM

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companies that have money do 3... the ones who dont do 5, the ones who really dont wait until it dies

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:38 PM

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even tho i dont see why they cannot use like 2k switches that do the same thing

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 1:38 PM

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3 years is too short for us, we'd never not be in a network replacement project

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:38 PM

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thats why you outsource

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 1:38 PM

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wouldn't change anything

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:38 PM

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you get cheap overseas labor to do the repeatable tasks

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 1:39 PM

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you can't out source the part that makes it take so long heh

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which isn't the configuration of the switch or the swap out of it

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:40 PM

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@clear igloo i disabled NAT and now i don't have internet connection anymore lol

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Btw, the firewall is also not enabled.

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:40 PM

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like, is there a version of this that costs 10k?

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clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Did you disable NAT on just the router that's not connected to the ISP equipment?

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 1:40 PM

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is that a SG500X?

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:41 PM

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with 10 gb sfp ports to connect to the core switch and stack plugs on the back

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yes

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:41 PM

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NAT on the router upstairs

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Ok, and the downstairs connects to the ISP equipment?

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Yea. It's like a modem and a router in one

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Upstairs and Downstairs broadcast the same SSID with the same password?

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:42 PM

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Yes

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:42 PM

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Hmmm, disabling NAT on the upstairs then shouldn't kill internet. Both on the same subnet from what I gather but just asking to make sure

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:42 PM

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That i don't know

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:43 PM

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is the wire on the upstairs router plugged into the LAN port or the WAN port?

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:43 PM

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^ That too
Did you put the upstairs in the same 192.168.x.x network as the downstairs one?

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:44 PM

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Plugged into the WAN port.

And the IP address of the router upstairs is 192.168.0.1 while the downstairs is somewhere in 192.168.178.x

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:44 PM

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Ah, plug it into the LAN port

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and it needs to be on the same 192.168.178.x network

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:45 PM

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I've tried that before. But that made it impossible to connect to the router

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even with LAN

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:45 PM

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i have that setup and i can reach to the modem

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maybe something is configured wrong?

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:46 PM

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ive done that setup years ago and didnt have issues

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:46 PM

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like you have to disable dhcp on the upstairs router

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:46 PM

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NAT disabled and plugged it into a LAN port

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And internet is gone again

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 1:47 PM

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and ipconfig /release and /renew in case client got IP from 2nd device on different subnet it's hanging on to

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:47 PM

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disable also the dhcp server of that router

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:47 PM

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And it's on the same subnet? 192.168.178.x?

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@subtle glen They mentioned DHCP was disabled originally so that should be out of the way

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:47 PM

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i missed that xD

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Yea. I disabled that already

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:49 PM

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with my router i just had to disable dhcp and plug the ethernet cable in the lan port. i also gave it a static ip address but i dont think thats necessary

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Just a fyi.

The downstairs router doesn't even say the upstairs one is connected to it

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:51 PM

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have you tried a reboot?

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:51 PM

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yes

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wait hollup

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:51 PM

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whats the router model again?

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@waxen scroll

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broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:52 PM

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the upstairs one is a: WRL-6200 v1 001 X6 N900

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 1:53 PM

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@subtle glen Is the SX550X-12F the sort of thing you were asking about or want/need/interested in or something higher end?

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:53 PM

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the downstairs on is a TG2492LG-ZG

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:53 PM

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@strange silo the one that costs 10K?

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@broken cosmos i would say to try a reset and then disable dhcp as usual

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 1:54 PM

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No, none of the Cisco small business switches are that much far as I know. Highest one I've seen is mid 6K retail and you shouldn't pay that much for it in reality

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:54 PM

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and give a static ip and subnet the same as the router downstairs

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maybe try to do that before the reset

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 1:55 PM

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Make sure the default gateway on the upstairs is also the IP of the downstairs router when you do it too

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:55 PM

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maybe it just needs a static ip

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one told me "you know how much do those switches cost?" and i said idk, 2k? The guy replied "10k, i know that cause i bought them"

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for some 48 port with sfp 10g uplinks?

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i dont think so @strange silo

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 1:57 PM

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There are ones that cost that much, just not that range

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:57 PM

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the subenet on the upstairs one is 255.255.255.0

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 1:57 PM

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its 10k for normies.... but you should have a 60% discount

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:57 PM

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downstairs one, no clue

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:57 PM

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change it with the one the downstairs one has

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:58 PM

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i cant find it 😄

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:58 PM

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look into the web page or hook up a pc and do ipconfig in the cmd

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or you could try by connecting a phone to the wifi and look in the settings

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:59 PM

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would ipconfig work while im connected via lan to the upstairs router thats connected to downstairs|?

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 1:59 PM

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@strange silo maybe he got confused and meant the enture order? idk

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i would not trust that if the router doesnt work properly

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 1:59 PM

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because that way i can control both at once

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strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:00 PM

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Dunno, maybe they cost more when he got them or they aren't the small business range

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:00 PM

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disconnect thet cable that goes into the upstairs router and connect it to the pc

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:00 PM

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or it was for a pair

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:00 PM

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there are 3 of them in each sub-connecction room

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:00 PM

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who knows, switches are mostly boring boxes anyway lol

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:00 PM

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stacked together as a big one

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 2:00 PM

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subnet is the same

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:01 PM

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alright, give the upstairs one an ip that is not already in use

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 2:01 PM

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@strange silo rude. you should play with chassis switches then

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:01 PM

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hahahaha

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 2:01 PM

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(that had disabled the router before, i couldnt connect to it then anymore

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:02 PM

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but was the wifi working?

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even tho you couldnt access the web page?

broken cosmos Jul 13, 2019, 2:02 PM

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nope

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:02 PM

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@waxen scroll We have those, just a box that you slide cards in to :p

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what you do with them is much more interesting than the hardware

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:04 PM

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try to reset and re-config again. Cant find anything online with the model you gave me

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:06 PM

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We have Huawei CE 12800's, don't you start @clear igloo 😉

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 2:06 PM

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#Hax0red
#Spied

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😛

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:06 PM

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how do you even install such a thing in a rack

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:06 PM

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#freebackups

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 2:06 PM

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you dont. you make someone else do it

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#networkEngNotDCOps

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:07 PM

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wow, that's mean

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 2:07 PM

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🤔

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:07 PM

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i know there are like little forklifts for servers

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:07 PM

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or you make the vendor you brought them off install them so they can't bitch you broke them

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:07 PM

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i guess its also used for those

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:08 PM

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heh we just lift them in by hand, even the big ones

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 2:08 PM

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you can install a shelf below it too and remove it later

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:09 PM

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health and safety can't complain about what they don't see

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:09 PM

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lol

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lift with your legs

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speaking of forklifts..

📎 drop.JPG

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:09 PM

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incorrect, with your back in a jerking motion

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:09 PM

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ah ye sure

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nicky V tips

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:10 PM

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hey, you know 😃

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:10 PM

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yes sir

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:12 PM

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I take out DL380s/DL560s and DL580's myself regularly, if they aren't high up it's easy to do. Above shoulder height is def 2 man job

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 2:13 PM

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When you power lift a 9006 chassis by yourself #flex

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:14 PM

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how much do those things weight?

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like core switches etc

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Empty, probably 100+ lbs

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Netapp DS460C, go on try that

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Haha. I'll try on a 9922 XD

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:14 PM

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hold on, let me convert that into some european unit measures

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100 lbs seems fine

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:15 PM

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Eaton 9390

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:16 PM

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damn

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strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:16 PM

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wait till you look at the eaton, but that was me just being stupid lol

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:16 PM

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well, ups'es are heavy

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:17 PM

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what, you mean you can't lift 481kg?

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:17 PM

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the pallet of batteries we changed was 500kg which for you american boys is 1102lbs

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just the batteries

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no sir, i cannot

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lightweight they said

📎 ddd.JPG

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:18 PM

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I put 39 24Ah batteries in my car recently, cheapest ride height lower ever

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they were free

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:19 PM

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the ones they took out were taken away few days later, didnt think of getting some

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i mean, i had to do 1 hour of subway and 30 mins of bus, so having them in the backpack isnt a good thing

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:21 PM

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24Ah ones are only small, you'd probably be lugging around something like a 100Ah which would be very annoying for 1.5 hrs

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which in a days time my solar system is getting installed so I need to hurry up and get my battery bank setup

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:25 PM

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those were 12 v 12aH

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:25 PM

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oh, not so bad then

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not worth it though

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:26 PM

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📎 IMG_20190627_132612.jpg

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a pallet full of them

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i mean, maybe a couple could be useful

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:26 PM

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I'm hoping to get some really big batteries off our DC UPSs this year or next year

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:27 PM

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so that you get the old ones?

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:27 PM

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hoping I can yea

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:27 PM

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hahahaha

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:27 PM

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got a non official official yes I can

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but you never know until the day

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:27 PM

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i asked if i could take one of their old dell tower servers but they said no...

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there are like 10 of them taking dust in the storage room

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:28 PM

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at least you aren't e-wasting servers that sell on ebay for 3k-6k USD

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:28 PM

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while the 2U ones gets thrown away they said "around every 3 years"

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so yeah, a waste

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poweredge ones

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:29 PM

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just taking out 30 ish DL360 Gen9, 2x 2690v4 386GB which will all be e-wasted

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jerks

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:30 PM

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why not selling them

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 2:30 PM

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the e-waste place will sell them

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:30 PM

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as scrap metal

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then they will go in a landfield

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:30 PM

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because "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah", stopped caring stupid reason

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nah they legit sell them

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:31 PM

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i would take one ffs

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a server doesnt break in 3 years

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:32 PM

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we buy every 4

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:32 PM

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...

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:33 PM

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sometimes we extend the warranty but that comes out of opex budget not capex and we have fixed funding lines of which 80% is capex

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and hard rules on what is and is not capex

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so it's budget wise better to spend $800k in capex than even $10k opex

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cos you know, that makes sense

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:34 PM

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ah, sure

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:35 PM

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it's also a primary reason why we aren't going shit with cloud

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cos that's opex

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but the senior execs are all pushing for cloud adoption, while ignoring that funding issue

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:37 PM

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lol this is getting complicated

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:37 PM

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yep, which is how you end up buying a Microsoft Storesimple appliance with free 150k Azure credit 😉

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rack it, then never use it

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then unrack it and e-waste it

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 2:38 PM

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heh

strange silo Jul 13, 2019, 2:39 PM

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Microsoft will always find a way to take your money

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 2:41 PM

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@strange silo ours are going all in

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the costs are starting to catch up i hear

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:09 PM

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If my professor has a surplus of funds from grant (which expires first week of August), and we bought the stuff we needed, would this be a good network cable Tester to get if money wasn't an issue?

Fluke Networks MS-POE-KIT MicroScanner Copper Cable Verifier & PoE tester for RJ-45 Category 5-6A Ethernet Cables, Includes IntelliTone Pro 200 & Remote ID Kit https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NJMJW26/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_XVIkDbY1QC9HC

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:20 PM

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dat xeon

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i bought that kit on the right for my house

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i personally recommend https://www.amazon.com/Fluke-Networks-DTX-1800-MSO-Single-mode-DTX-OTDR-QMOD/dp/B00A3XJVF4/ref=sr_1_7?crid=17GIM0W0M59QS&keywords=fluke+cable+certifier&qid=1563045703&s=gateway&sprefix=fluke+cable+cer%2Caps%2C148&sr=8-7

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if you have 0 intention to certify cables theres no reason to have a kit above $100

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https://www.amazon.com/Telephone-Remotes-Klein-Tools-VDV501-823/dp/B00M2DDO0Q/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=cat6+tester&qid=1563045805&s=gateway&sr=8-6

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basic bitch like that is good

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:25 PM

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what the fuck is that 40 thousand one

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:25 PM

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a cable certifier

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it makes sure the cable is in spec and detects issues even if the cable pinout is right

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:25 PM

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yeah but

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40 thousand dollars

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:26 PM

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it does fiber and coax too

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:26 PM

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We need one with very good cable length measurement

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one that is super solid

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:26 PM

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then you want the $30k one

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:26 PM

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are you saying you are going for the 40k one?

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:26 PM

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I've read reviews that klein is not that accurate

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no not that one

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:26 PM

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lol

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:26 PM

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we just will work with ethernet

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copper*

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omg lol

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:27 PM

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you should ask your supplier for a quote on the 40k one regardless

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40k is a retail price

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:27 PM

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im surprised amazon is selling it

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like its sitting in their VIP shelf

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lol

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:27 PM

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amazon isnt selling it, some 3rd party is

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:27 PM

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amazon is selling it

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:27 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/Zoostliss-Network-Cable-Tester-Networking/dp/B06XZYXN63/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1DFQYJPHBR6FO&keywords=cable+tester+rj45&qid=1563046054&s=gateway&sprefix=cable+tester+%2Caps%2C216&sr=8-4

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:27 PM

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oh wait

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:27 PM

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what about a 9 dollar one

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xD

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:28 PM

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sorry i was looking at wrong one

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@waxen scroll your good my bad xD

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i had the other page open

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yeah thats crazy expensive

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@waxen scroll What happens if an employee loses the tester?

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the 40k one xD

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:30 PM

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instantly fired

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superHammer

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that thing better have a gps in there

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i mean, for 40k dollars..

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oh hi lurick

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:31 PM

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https://www.cdw.com/product/viavi-t-berd-mts-5800-100g-1-10-40-100gbe-handheld-network-tester/5450956

CDW.com

VIAVI T-BERD/MTS-5800-100G 1/10/40/100GbE Handheld Network Tester ...

Buy a VIAVI T-BERD/MTS-5800-100G 1/10/40/100GbE Handheld Network Tester at CDW.com

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i use two of these at work

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:31 PM

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what the

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:31 PM

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OOF

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so pricey!

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:31 PM

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mate

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wtf

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:31 PM

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📎 unknown.png

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:31 PM

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yeah but accurate cable foot readout!

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:31 PM

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interesting...

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so you can never own it

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well good for contract work no?

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Lease to own?

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:32 PM

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you own it for $52k

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:32 PM

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@clear igloo I did not see that

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:32 PM

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lafrChamp

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:32 PM

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I think its just lease

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:32 PM

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wait

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:32 PM

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📎 unknown.png

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:32 PM

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at leats its free shipping

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:33 PM

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lurick has a test equipment called Spirent that cost him like $200k

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:33 PM

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ok this is now escalating

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:33 PM

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i want my job to buy me one

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 7:33 PM

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$200K? Try more like $1mill

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:33 PM

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whats so special that the 50k you have cannot archive

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:33 PM

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oh you did 100g?

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 7:34 PM

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We've got like 7 100G cards 😛

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:34 PM

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*likes and subscribes

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the 50k unit is a mobile telco circuit testing unit

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it does a lot, but what it doesnt do is simulated or real traffic from thousands of sources and destinations and keeps metrics on all conversations

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:35 PM

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not even portable oscilloscopes cost that much

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:36 PM

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units like that are needed to prove the circuit is healthy. theres no other good way to do it when you're being blamed for an issue

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:37 PM

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yeah but lurick says his costs 1mill

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you can buy a great house with that price

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:38 PM

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yeah, its a network data testing tool more than a physical layer testing tool

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:38 PM

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@subtle glen now if only property tax wasnt a thing, that would be sweet to own the 1mil home

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:38 PM

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it sure would

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Im fine with living in my $190k home

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i'll live the same way with that much money

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:39 PM

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360-400k here. can confirm, my taxes SUCK.

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:39 PM

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im fine in my apartment where i cannot fully open the door cause of the network cabinet

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but it's a sacrifice i'm willing to make

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:39 PM

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@subtle glen storage space with everything is a real problem with apartments

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like if you have a lot of gear

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or tires

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:39 PM

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they get $11k from me every year

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:40 PM

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ouch that hurts

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but since your job pays good you cover it

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:40 PM

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lol

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:40 PM

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yep. the tax payment every month is the same as a mortgage payment

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:40 PM

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I owe like $230 for my motor vehicle

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i need to pay it soon

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tax on the car

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:41 PM

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@little schooner now if i manage to bring at least 1 gb stable in the garage i can put some stuff in there, maybe even in the cellar 🤔

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:41 PM

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im thinking of moving out of this shithole of a state to one with sane taxes

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like FL

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:41 PM

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@subtle glen at my house, I think I would have to build a mini house in the backyard to fit everything in a neat orderly fashion

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the good news is most of the basement is cleaned up

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:42 PM

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you have a 48u cabinet?

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:42 PM

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I dont have any cabinet yet

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im using a "wire" rack xD

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:42 PM

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ah i see where the problem is

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:42 PM

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I'll fix that soon. I just need to find a server replacement

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like something the size of a NUC but with 8 cores or more

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:43 PM

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also now im considering a small solar system cause parents are complaining that the electricity bill is too high

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i dont blame them cause thats totally my fault..

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:43 PM

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yeah our bill is around $103 a month

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24/7 server

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:43 PM

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mine was at around 40

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the last one was 140

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:43 PM

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yeah thats pretty high

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:43 PM

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i think its every 2 months

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tho

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:44 PM

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I transferred to nvme for the file share

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:44 PM

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also having my pc on all day long doesnt help

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:44 PM

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so now i can get rid of the hard drives

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 7:44 PM

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i used to keep my idle server on all the time too... didnt like the bill

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:44 PM

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lol

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:44 PM

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@waxen scroll I will only power off the server as long as hard drives are not in them

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on and off everyday might kill it sooner

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for ssd, i dont have to worry about that

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:45 PM

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well i have one "server" if we can call it that way and a 24port networking switch

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stuff that i cant shut down

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:45 PM

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the switches should use very little power as long as they arent poe ones

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:46 PM

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the server is an old desktop workstation with a 250W power supply

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that should not be power hungry

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:46 PM

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right

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right now my cpu is pinned to 100%

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converting a windows image

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📎 unknown.png

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:47 PM

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also are tower servers power hungry?

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:47 PM

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not really, i have a tower server now

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give me a second to get its power draw

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:47 PM

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ones with redundant psu and stuff

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:47 PM

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91Watts

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not sure about the redundant psu stuff

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my server pulls 91 watts with 8 vms, several hard drives and one nvme samsung

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theres the intel 10g card too

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but minor details

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:49 PM

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when i asked if i could take one of the "old" ones they told me that it would be a bad idea cause they are power hungry

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they are but i guess at full load

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:49 PM

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yes at full load they are hungry

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but most of the time, server is idle

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:49 PM

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like every device

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:49 PM

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at least for me.

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right.

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Like during backup job, the power usage jumps up a bit

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backup finishes within 20 minutes for incremental

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that NVMe i put made a huge difference

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:50 PM

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ye but this is the type of stuff i run on my server

📎 server.JPG

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i dont have backup things etc

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Ahh I used to have my surveillance in a VM too.

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:52 PM

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yeah, thats now useless cause i figured out how to record on the 2 bays nas box i have

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:52 PM

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The problem with my hikvision cameras was that they would always disconnect from the nvr if the server rebooted

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So I'd have to readd them to nvr

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:52 PM

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mine would simply not recognize the camera due to the low bandwidth

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Hmm

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I ended up buying a dedicated unit for cameras

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:53 PM

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i share my dlink nas with that

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not the best nas, but it does the job

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:53 PM

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I used to use a synology NAS

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I was just not happy that it couldn't do 10G speeds well

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:53 PM

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those are pretty good tho

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:54 PM

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My server eats 10G like nothing

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:54 PM

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yeah but for a security camera nas you dont need 10g xD

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Right

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I was also thinking that, currently, my only uplink from downstairs to upstairs is only 1gbps

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So there could be a bottleneck if people are downloading big files at same time

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And the camera only uses like 25mbps total upload

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:55 PM

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future 10gb over fiber upgrade?

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:55 PM

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I don't think I could run fiber

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I'd used the existing eth cable

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:56 PM

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like gossamer i think, that runs fiber cables in its ceiling

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Copper**

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I'll never remember that one lol

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:56 PM

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the only fiber i have in my house is the fiber cable for the isp modem xD

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:56 PM

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If I could easily redo it, yes I would use fiber and centralize it in basement

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Remember the picture I posted some months ago about a cable installer running 4 ethernet cables through a wall jack without its receptacle?

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I would have to redo all of that and rerun it

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:58 PM

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not really, i think i missed that

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Let me see if I still have it

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:58 PM

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there is always the janky solution

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run cables everywhere and fix them with tape

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 7:59 PM

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📎 20190617_213239.jpg 📎 20190617_214649.jpg

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@subtle glen

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Very janky

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 7:59 PM

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damn thats janky

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worse than how i run cables

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Yeah

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 8:00 PM

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is that drywall?

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Yep

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 8:00 PM

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put a plug there

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 8:00 PM

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A 4 port one I would need

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And cut open the cable I guess

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Punch it in

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 8:01 PM

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ye but its easier with drywall

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 8:01 PM

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You don't need to, no

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Just get a female-female wall jack

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 8:01 PM

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@clear igloo the double sided one?

clear igloo Jul 13, 2019, 8:01 PM

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Yah, plug the cable right in 😃

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 8:02 PM

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but he would have to stick all the extra cable in the wall

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 8:02 PM

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@subtle glen yes. It's really long wire too

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Basically it passes through 2 rooms

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 8:02 PM

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so i guess that's better to cut off the extra wire

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 8:03 PM

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Well that's a good project for me I suppose

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 8:03 PM

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wish i had drywall too

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📎 IMG_20190713_220129.jpg

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current solution

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Oh wow yeah

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 8:04 PM

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i could have just run a normal male-male ethernet cable behind the closet since the cabinet is on its other side

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 8:04 PM

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@waxen scroll any recommendations for quality punch down tool? Doesn't need to be expensive

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 8:04 PM

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but i wanted to start filling up the patch panel

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 8:05 PM

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@subtle glen I need a cabinet, that's what I need to buy

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I don't got one

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 8:05 PM

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then a patch panel 😃

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Right

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Run everything from top of it

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That cavity hole

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 8:05 PM

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ye

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you can put one of these and run all the ethernet cables in there

📎 s-l300.png

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 8:08 PM

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i only have experience with expensive punch tools

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 8:08 PM

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40k ones?

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 8:08 PM

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$60 ones

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 8:08 PM

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ive seen people using a pcie bracket with a little cut at the end as punchdown tool

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i use a screw driver or these, i don't have to do anything fancy

📎 51Fo5VuZ9LL.png

waxen scroll Jul 13, 2019, 8:09 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/Fluke-Networks-11293000-Pro-Tool-Punch/dp/B000E5R3HE/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=fluke+kit&qid=1563048384&s=gateway&sr=8-9

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this kit is a god send if you work with wires a lot

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havent made a single bad cable with it

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 8:11 PM

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for the price it cost, of course it does its job correctly

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 8:16 PM

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@subtle glen the picture for running all the cables, that would look nicer than what I got now for the interim

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The thing you just posted

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 8:16 PM

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the one with the black strands?

little schooner Jul 13, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Yes

subtle glen Jul 13, 2019, 8:17 PM

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ye thats definitely nicer than a hole in the wall

strange silo Jul 14, 2019, 2:12 AM

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At least you guys try to make it semi ok, I've got the cable from my ONT in the living room running across the floor to the bedroom I'm using for my servers. Been like that for 2 years haha

little schooner Jul 14, 2019, 3:27 AM

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@strange silo come to think of it, ever since I upgraded to 10G Intel NIC, two of those wires can be pulled out. I only need one now with no teaming support

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 12:23 PM

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@waxen scroll PBR on the ASA #FiteMe

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 12:24 PM

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@strange silo There was only one cable at the beginning and it should have been a temporary solution

📎 IMG_20190714_142250.jpg

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Now there are like 6 cables and it has been like this for years

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 12:25 PM

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Needs more cables!

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 12:25 PM

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Ikr!

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 1:17 PM

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@clear igloo make contexts for each circuit and let another device do PBR

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 1:21 PM

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lol, it's just simple PBR so I can force TV devices out the Spectrum network so I get TV without needing their $8/month receiver

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 1:22 PM

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WELP

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 1:27 PM

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In a more complex scenario I would 😛

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 1:32 PM

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how does that even work though? is your internet not spectrum?

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if its the same internet, why would they give you two modems

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 1:48 PM

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I have AT&T internet and when I signed up for their service the other day it was cheaper to go Internet + TV without receivers than just TV with 3 receivers. If you have Internet + TV you don't need the receivers and can use the app which just authorizes on your account through their network

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So I just have the 3 TVs going out Spectrum and everything else out AT&T

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 1:50 PM

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sneaky boii

little schooner Jul 14, 2019, 2:06 PM

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I noticed Comcast offers something like that too here, but there is no big discount for ditching the boxes

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And it's if you subscribe to internet only

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My goal is to do this: fiber isp + something like sling tv

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 2:07 PM

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we have it here and i believe its the same cost as box TV without the box fee. i dont recall if they slap some other stupid fee on, but you do still pay the bullshit fees like sports and local

little schooner Jul 14, 2019, 2:07 PM

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@waxen scroll that stinks

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It's terrible

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 2:07 PM

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as someone who hates sports, that fee has been a slap in the face for the time i used to pay for my own TV service

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 2:07 PM

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i dont have all these problems cause tv and internet are 2 separated things 😃

little schooner Jul 14, 2019, 2:08 PM

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@subtle glen this local isp from New York can't finish fast enough for my area

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Red tape they have to cut through

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And fight Comcast too

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I figure if it's $50 for internet and sling is $30,its still cheaper than $127 per month with comcast

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And synchronous upload and download

little schooner Jul 14, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Just my luck. Microsoft revoked all 150 product keys we were using for our lab.

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Wth

blissful thorn Jul 14, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Hey everyone, I got Bell Internet currently paying for gigabite fibe, which is supposed to be 1gb download 960 something upload. But with the whole home hub router, I get like 158 download and 200 upload. I've been trying to find the specifications for the whole home 3000 router, but I can't seem to find it. Do you think upgrading my router will increase my wireless speeds?

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 4:47 PM

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are you saying that with wifi you dont get the full speed?

blissful thorn Jul 14, 2019, 4:48 PM

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I understand that with a wired connection you will get better speeds, my point is that I get low wireless speeds from my router, so should I invest in a better system or look for range extenders, amplifiers or mesh nodes?

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 4:49 PM

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using a better router instead of the isp one definitely increases wifi speeds

blissful thorn Jul 14, 2019, 4:50 PM

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one sec

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This is what I'm working with but it doesn't tell you how fast it is on each band.

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Cause the thing is like I'm paying for 1gb download and I barely get over 150mb.

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 4:52 PM

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with the 5ghz band?

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you can buy a better router with faster wifi and disable the wifi of the bell one

blissful thorn Jul 14, 2019, 4:54 PM

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So leave that router in place, buy a new one and disable that one's wifi in the online settings

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Cause I think its secured to my wall

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 4:55 PM

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well you cant remove that

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its connected to your fiber line

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 4:55 PM

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The thing is though, what device are you using? Does it support dual or tri-band? If not then you'll never even be able to get over ~400Mbps to start with, regardless of internet speed. WiFi also heavily depends on distance, interference, etc. as well and all of that together can also cut down on speed

blissful thorn Jul 14, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Fair enough, cause buying there mesh system or another range extender/mesh system probably won't give me much more performance..

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It says exclusive triband technology

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Your phone/computer?

blissful thorn Jul 14, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Desktop

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It's in my garage, but, my room is attached to the garage

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 4:58 PM

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What wifi adapter does your desktop have?

blissful thorn Jul 14, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Oh boy, you're gonna have to give me a minute. I gotta google what my gigabyte z370 board came with

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But like even on our other laptops we get slow speed

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and desktops

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Because unless it supports dual band or tri band you'll never see more than 3-400Mbps, best case, and even then if it does it still might not get above that

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 4:59 PM

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if they dont support triband or 5 ghz you wont get the full speed

blissful thorn Jul 14, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Intel® 1x1 802.11ac Wireless – AC 3165

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 5:00 PM

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It's a single band card so absolute best case you can hope for is somewhere in the 300-400Mbps range and 200Mbps give or take is about normal

blissful thorn Jul 14, 2019, 5:01 PM

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So I need a network card to get faster internet on my desktop then

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 5:01 PM

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you need to change it, yes

blissful thorn Jul 14, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Like it's not terrible, it still works fine. The main complaint is from my family using a nvidia shield to stream television

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 5:02 PM

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How far away is the shield from the HomeHub?

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 5:02 PM

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it's better for streaming devices to be connected via ethernet

blissful thorn Jul 14, 2019, 5:02 PM

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802.11ac 2x2 MIMO 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz Wi-Fi
Bluetooth 4.1/BLE

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It's a room away from mine I would say less than 30 feet

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 5:05 PM

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That shouldn't have any issues streaming then. Even if it was only on 2.4GHz band it should still be able to stream 1080p HD content pretty well. If it was like 80 to 100 feet then it could maybe start to see issues with walls and whatnot in the way

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How many wireless devices would you say you have in total?

blissful thorn Jul 14, 2019, 5:07 PM

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3 active computers 3 active phones and 2 printers, TV and Shield There are other devices connected but they are not in use.

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 5:07 PM

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That's not bad but I'd check up on the HomeHub, see what a google search turns up for max number of simultaneous devices and see what others have seen

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I'd surprise me if it couldn't handle 10-15 devices at any time but I've seen weirder

blissful thorn Jul 14, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Yeah i'll look into that then

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My mobo, says it can handle up to 433mbps, so I may look into getting a better card for my extra pcie slots

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Are range extenders or purchasing a mesh system worth it to improve internet speeds overall

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 5:16 PM

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A good mesh system can definitely help, especially if you have the router on one side of the house and are having issues on the other side

broken cosmos Jul 14, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Yo, what's the difference between ipv4 and ipv6?

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:25 PM

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depends why you're asking. that you need a book for

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Yah, a book or two to explain all the differences really

broken cosmos Jul 14, 2019, 5:26 PM

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We didn't have a ipv6 connection before. And now we do. So that's why I'm asking

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Well for starters there is a limit of ~4.29 billion IPv4 addresses where as for IPv6 it's 2^128 addresses

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:28 PM

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if i said there is no difference, i'd be lying... but if you only know "i just got ipv6" the only difference is that it may take a different path to the websites you visit and you typically wont notice a thing

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it doesnt give you anything you care about

broken cosmos Jul 14, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Oh

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 5:28 PM

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lol

broken cosmos Jul 14, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Just something to make the work of network operators more difficult?

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 5:29 PM

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No, it addresses the growing needs of larger networks and limited addressing, security, and a lot of other aspects of the network. Sure it doesn't always make sense but it's not just something to make things difficult

broken cosmos Jul 14, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Ah okay

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:30 PM

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we ran out of address space on the internet

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ipv6 gives way more

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 5:30 PM

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do people also use it locally?

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:30 PM

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yes, at home usually

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corporate... adoption is SLOW

broken cosmos Jul 14, 2019, 5:30 PM

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So soon we'll have ipv8?

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:30 PM

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i have yet to work a job that wanted to let me put ipv6 in

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 5:31 PM

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no, there are enough IPv6 addresses to give ~250 addresses to EVERY star in the observable universe

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 5:31 PM

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well, it will take a lot to finish all the ipv6..

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:31 PM

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i cant give them a business case for ipv6

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all they see is a waste of time

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the ones who do entertain ipv6, i run into road blocks with people higher than me like security teams, architects

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lots of people saying no

broken cosmos Jul 14, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Hows it a waste of time tho?

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All that happend for us was a different setting on the router and all was done 😅

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:32 PM

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because i work in large networks and it takes $$$$ to let me put it in

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they dont want me working on ipv6 and spending money on my salary when i could be doing other things

broken cosmos Jul 14, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Oof

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Time = Money and because typing out an IPv6 address can cost an extra 3 seconds they don't want to waste that precious money 😛

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:34 PM

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i get asked "ok why ipv6?" and if i say "because we get TONS of addresses" they go "ok, but that has nothing to do with internal?"

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then i swear at them and thats it

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 5:34 PM

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I know some companies in Japan are 100% IPv6, even internally

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:35 PM

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nobody wants to take responsibility for internal ipv6

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 5:35 PM

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like in an office, if you finish for example the 192.168.1.2 ip range, do you go 192.168.2.2 and so on or you use ipv6?

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:35 PM

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i dont want to use a 6 to 4 translator either because its another point of failure

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 5:36 PM

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You start with 10.0.0.0/8 and cross your fingers 😛

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 5:36 PM

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how many ip's does that subnet have?

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 5:37 PM

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16,777,216

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 5:37 PM

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seems enough

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 5:37 PM

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You'd think

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:37 PM

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its not

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my company has burned so much of it

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 5:37 PM

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well, depends what kind of office you work in

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:39 PM

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@clear igloo our biggest MPLS VRF has 40k routes

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i dont know how they pulled it off because many providers refuse to go over 5k

broken cosmos Jul 14, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Wut

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40.000 routers?

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Seems enough

clear igloo Jul 14, 2019, 5:45 PM

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40k routes, could be single host routes or entire subnets/supernets

little schooner Jul 14, 2019, 5:45 PM

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My professor opted not to use Ipv6 due to the future administrators who will take over it.

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Or maybe it's just his preference

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He never tells

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:46 PM

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"future administrators" shouldnt be in the field if they cant handle it

little schooner Jul 14, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Seems silly since we can short hand it pretty well with ipv6

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 5:47 PM

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wait, i was wondering, if ipv4 are all in use, where do they get my new ipv4 when it changes? do they remove it to everyone and then randomly re-assign them?

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:48 PM

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they're not in use, they're reserved

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your ISP bought a block of addresses, so its reserved for them

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 5:49 PM

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but still, when they give me a new one, someone else gets my old one?

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:49 PM

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yep

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 5:49 PM

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why not stick with static ip's for everyone

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:50 PM

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because they like to charge for that

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 5:50 PM

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true

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this makes me think of another question. Why enterprises pay this extra for static ip's when they can use ddns instead

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is it because its easier for them to have the numeric ip?

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:52 PM

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DNS gets cached and can take 24hrs or more to change world wide

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 5:53 PM

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got it

waxen scroll Jul 14, 2019, 5:57 PM

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also if you dont own the IPs, sometimes you cant use them through more than one ISP

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if they were dynamic it would be a nightmare

thick minnow Jul 14, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Anyone familiar with VLAN's in a CISCO environment?

little schooner Jul 14, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Well, with Dell, the difference is that you only have access to 512 VLANs

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Whereas other brands is 4096

hollow marlin Jul 14, 2019, 8:07 PM

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I don't understand VLAN limitations for some vendors. Just support 4096

little schooner Jul 14, 2019, 8:09 PM

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@hollow marlin edgeswitch tried pulling the same thing with their latest EdgeOS lite firmware

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It doesn't make any sense.

hollow marlin Jul 14, 2019, 8:10 PM

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I wouldn't trust ubiquity on a network requiring more than 512 vlans anyway

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But a standard is a standard

hardy kestrel Jul 14, 2019, 10:05 PM

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🤔 are cheap 5ghz routers good? (like from Tenda, Xiaomi)

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I wanted a Ubiquiti but bank says no

subtle glen Jul 14, 2019, 10:06 PM

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look at some reviews, see what people say about them

hardy kestrel Jul 14, 2019, 10:07 PM

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Nvmind, for just $5 more, I can get a reputable brand from TP Link

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Also nevermind, I should get a long ass ethernet cable and a gigabit switch, since my PC is 2.4ghz only

hollow marlin Jul 14, 2019, 10:35 PM

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@hardy kestrel how cheap are you trying to go

little schooner Jul 15, 2019, 12:09 AM

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@hardy kestrel get tplink for cheap

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Don't get the other garbage stuff they sell at the very low price points

glad ferry Jul 15, 2019, 12:49 AM

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@little schooner - I have yet to see an environment that has more than 400 VLANS on a single switch.

little schooner Jul 15, 2019, 12:58 AM

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@glad ferry that's true for me too. But @waxen scroll and @clear igloo mentioned that they've seen some instances of lots and lots of vlans

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I wonder how that can even be scaled

glad ferry Jul 15, 2019, 12:59 AM

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@little schooner - Yeah no doubt that its in production. Would love to see it. Less desire to manage...

waxen scroll Jul 15, 2019, 1:00 AM

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no, i dont think ive ever seen more than 50 vlans

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(on a single layer 2 domain)

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so sure, when you pass the layer 3 boundary into another layer 2, you'll have even more vlans

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but its not the same

little schooner Jul 15, 2019, 1:02 AM

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Hmm

hollow marlin Jul 15, 2019, 1:24 AM

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@little schooner Vlan limitations are not about sheer number, it's about numerical limitations. If I use vlan 1500 and want to extend it on older Calix platforms I'm fucked, they have to be popped.
Same goes for dell or ubiquiti. It's just frustrating with managing

waxen scroll Jul 15, 2019, 2:23 AM

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That's not what ubiquiti claimed in their release notes

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You can tag that high, you just can't have actual 4000 vlans

little schooner Jul 15, 2019, 4:11 AM

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@waxen scroll should servers have their own vlan or rather their own firewall?

unreal wedge Jul 15, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Why not both.

fresh copper Jul 15, 2019, 6:58 AM

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What I see with my own devices, usually they can go up to the full max of 4094 (since 0 and 4095 are reserved). The limitation is not in that maximum number but in how many, usually it’s 50-255 or so on lower end equipment but can go all the way to some devices that can use all VLANs (especially common with software based VLANS).

Note that not all number are actually useable. As I mentioned, 0 and 4095 are reserved by default, 1 is usually management and often can’t be changed. Many low level equipment that can’t do full QoS will have 2-5 or so as special QoS VLANs for specific services. 1001-1005 are reserved in Cisco’s IOS because they used to be used internally for bridging with token ring and other systems and is still kept just incase someone is using ancient equipment.

Some equipment also reserves 4094 for some reason and only allows up to 4093 for some reason.

There are a few remaining devices that only allow VLANs up to 1001 but I don’t know of any currently manufactured devices with that limit though you may run into older devices like that.

Basically, be very careful with allocations and make a good plan before starting

hardy kestrel Jul 15, 2019, 9:58 AM

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TP Link has been a reputable brand for me (since Asus and Ubiquiti is expensive)

waxen scroll Jul 15, 2019, 12:13 PM

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@little schooner depends how anal your security team is

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the industry is moving towards "firewalls" between each device in the same vlan

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they call it microsegmentation

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it isnt a firewall on the OS itself, but a firewall on the network link that's centrally managed

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that way the security team can stop server admins from just doing what they want

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many companies who arent doing this yet like to break up servers into tiers

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you get a vlan for db, a vlan for non-sensitive data applications, a vlan for sensitive, and so on

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each vlan runs through its own firewall

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however, server to server communication within that vlan isnt filtered outside of an OS level

hollow marlin Jul 15, 2019, 12:44 PM

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Too much L2 talk, not enough L3

clear igloo Jul 15, 2019, 1:14 PM

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Needs more L1 talk!

ancient osprey Jul 15, 2019, 1:28 PM

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I think this might go here, I was wondering what the best way to access and mount a network drive be it cloud.

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I just want to add storage via a drive that I can access anywhere. Preferably an online drive

waxen scroll Jul 15, 2019, 1:39 PM

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have you looked into onedrive?

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its the default in windows 10 and you get some storage for free

ancient osprey Jul 15, 2019, 1:40 PM

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I want something I can mount to

waxen scroll Jul 15, 2019, 1:41 PM

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so like block storage not object storage

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i personally havent heard or looked for that

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i know aws has block storage but no clue if you can mount externally

ancient osprey Jul 15, 2019, 1:41 PM

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I have onedrive for university, but I want a drive the I can mount and access anywhere. I'm kinda a weird person.

clear igloo Jul 15, 2019, 1:43 PM

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You could setup a NAS drive and VPN back home to it but anything that's just directly available is going to have tons of security flaws if you expose a drive directly the the internet

ancient osprey Jul 15, 2019, 1:44 PM

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I just need a lot of storage I can use and mount in anyplatform.

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So, I can access all of my files and everything on it.

clear igloo Jul 15, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Then get a QNAP or Synology NAS and setup a VPN on your devices or their built in sharing software so it looks like local storage

ancient osprey Jul 15, 2019, 1:46 PM

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I use Mac, Windows, and Linux for things so I just want to be able to access all of my files without downloading them every time I switch OSes.

clear igloo Jul 15, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Then a QNAP or Synology nas would be perfect since you can mount those drives on all three OSes

ancient osprey Jul 15, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Okay

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And I wouldn't need to continually download and reupload files with that?

clear igloo Jul 15, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Pretty much, yah, you would just mount the NAS as another drive and just edit things off there or whatever you need to do

ancient osprey Jul 15, 2019, 1:48 PM

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How would I go about making it so I could access it from anywhere

clear igloo Jul 15, 2019, 1:49 PM

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I know QNAP, and I'm sure Synology, has software to remotely access files, or you setup a VPN server on your router (if it's supported) and VPN back home

ancient osprey Jul 15, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Okay, I'll look into it. Thank you. 😃

ancient osprey Jul 15, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Hoiw would I go about mounting a nas to my computer and accessing it anywhere?