You can find the connector type in the datasheet of the router
#networking
bleak plover
What are adapters?
slate thunder
Sma to ts9 but I am not sure so double check....
bleak plover
ok
toxic quartz
hi
clear igloo
Hey
toxic quartz
its quiet here
fresh copper
Yes, I finally got it so that I only get notifications from this channel and no others
bold karma
anyone use freepbx for their VOIP solution?
pulsar thorn
I have to use my ISP provided router
It has a built in VOIP server
BC the NBN (National Broadband Network) is trash
Yet it is faster when you install it
Properly
And this piece of crap is what you need to connect to the bloody internet
lethal parrot
you got fibre to the premises or to the node @pulsar thorn
strange silo
@lethal parrot Those Are FTTN VDSL/G.Fast but output to an Ethernet port like an ONT would.
pseudo blade
@pulsar thorn NBN FTTC reverse power unit and modem.
Uh... Sorry. @lethal parrot
Basically they bring fiber up to about four households and each one gets one of these to plug into their old copper line fo power the distribution unit.
pseudo blade
It's pretty hacky. So close yet so far...
pulsar thorn
We pay for NBN100 but our line can only handle 45mbps down and 20mpbs up
Everyone in the area I know gets 100mpbs down and a worryingly slow 0.1mbps up
pseudo blade
We pay for 50/20. You know this kind of crap wouldn't fly in any other country, right?
pulsar thorn
Turnbull was telecommunications minister when the NBN started up
It was gonna be good
But then he went off
pseudo blade
I can assure you that Turnbull isn't worthy of praise in this situation.
pseudo blade
I'm basically stuck in a constant state of frustration trying to use the internet at home.
3mbps sucked a decade ago.
pulsar thorn
We went from your speeds earlier today to our new speeds
On a D-Link Taipan it's amazing
pseudo blade
No shortage of routers here, only bandwidth.
I can get gigabit wifi in the same room.
pseudo blade
Very good wifi router (4x4), paired to a Note 9.
pulsar thorn
Ok
pulsar thorn
Ok
When the NBN technician came today he was adamant that our config of using wan on a usually dsl modem wouldn't work
But I suprised him
pseudo blade
If it has a WAN port it will work, the DSL modem simply isn't used.
pulsar thorn
Yea
pseudo blade
We did that for a while, but the router sucked and we scrapped it (DGND4000)
pulsar thorn
The D-Link taipan has a way to use ethernet port 4 as a wan port and that's what we do
pseudo blade
I have a mix of Mikrotik routers and modified Telstra gateways.
pseudo blade
Leveraged software vulnerabilities to gain access to the internal OpenWRT, which I can then do whatever with.
pulsar thorn
Ok
pseudo blade
Tempted to hardware mod a few, but I just have no need for routing performance of any kind.
pseudo blade
Smart Modem 2?
pseudo blade
We have one. The wifi is absolutely fantastic.
pulsar thorn
Mobile backup speeds are trash tho
pseudo blade
Rest of it kinda sucks ass, but that's a software problem.
The modem in ours is not providing a stable 6mbps and I believe this to be deliberate.
Haven't messed with that one because 4G backup is valuable to us even with deliberate mediocrity.
pulsar thorn
Lol
pseudo blade
Bar the SIM. I was curious about it and removed it. Don't just do that for fun BTW, they'll lock your SIM if it signs on with the wrong IMEI.
pulsar thorn
Didn't happen to me
I stuck it in a 3g Telstra mobile card on my laptop
Just had no service
pseudo blade
3g? Maybe you got lucky and it didn't even associate.
pulsar thorn
Yea
pseudo blade
Sounds like it.
pseudo blade
I have a sneaking suspicion that the speed limits are enforced by the router, rather than the network.
pulsar thorn
True
We don't use a Telstra compatible modem tho
Yet it works fine
Our router gives us the fastest speed it can
pulsar thorn
I have an older Telstra gateway hooked up to it via ethernet in my bedroom and that has a connection to the VoIP system somehow
pseudo blade
If it can fetch the config from upstream it should retain it.
pulsar thorn
Yea
pseudo blade
You just have to have one plugged in somewhere that acted as an edge device at least once.
pulsar thorn
Yea
I used to use the ptsn port on it for landline
Before nbn
I came up with an idea the other day too
pseudo blade
Tg797n v3?
pulsar thorn
Tg799Vac
pulsar thorn
Since the NBN connection device is just an ADSL modem can't we somehow get the settings from it
And use those settings on our own ADSL modem?
pseudo blade
Also you can get the settings from it, but doing so involves compromising it.
pulsar thorn
Direct ethernet from a laptop into its ethernet out?
Or get the IP though a traceroute
pseudo blade
No, that won't expose much at all.
pseudo blade
I can't be super specific for Discord reasons, but it involves a bit of research and experimentation.
pseudo blade
Which one are you trying to get into? The tg799Vac?
pulsar thorn
The NBN connection box
pulsar thorn
But I also have an old Craptus NBN capable modem I'd like to get into
pseudo blade
So basically it has all management interfaces hidden on both sides from your link.
pulsar thorn
Ok
pseudo blade
Plus meddling with NBN co equipment is super dodgy in a way that messing with ISP routers is not.
pulsar thorn
Yea
pseudo blade
Give up on the NTD.
strange silo
Really is a shame full FTTH deployment was too costly in aus
pulsar thorn
Yea
pseudo blade
It wasn't too costly. It was a political sham.
Party A's idea, not Party B. Therefore bad.
strange silo
Well I'm ignore that side of it, the cost was going to be huge. Personally I'd have like my tax to go to it if I were in aus
pseudo blade
Seriously. These people couldn't agree on whether kicking puppies is bad.
pulsar thorn
But that's the ufb
pseudo blade
Australia refused to learn from NZ's mistakes.
pulsar thorn
Yea
strange silo
points to the if I were in Aus part
pulsar thorn
Lol
strange silo
😃
pseudo blade
I heard you.
pulsar thorn
And you fixed yours
We just added more complicated shit onto ours to make it even more confusing
pseudo blade
No FTTN replacement until 2040...
strange silo
ouch!
pulsar thorn
Jesus
strange silo
2040, damnnnnn
pseudo blade
No seriously. That's the country-wide plan.
pulsar thorn
Thats not gonna go down well
strange silo
I knew it would come, just not that late
strange silo
Here for a long time if you were on a shared driveway that was a total death setence to getting UFB
1 person say no and nobody could get it
pulsar thorn
Thats stupid
strange silo
Very, took a law/regulation change to fix that
pulsar thorn
If you don't choose to change to NBN here you just get cut off
pseudo blade
18 months or else.
strange silo
now internet is an essential service like power/water/gas and cannot be denied
pulsar thorn
Yea
strange silo
only took 3-4 years to get that legal status changed
pulsar thorn
Lol
pseudo blade
I drop by the Ookla speed test country results each month and die a little more.
strange silo
proper/useful legislation change is like the Olympics, only happens every 4 years
pulsar thorn
|| we have worse internet than Kazakhstan prove me wrong ||
strange silo
55th heh
pulsar thorn
Yea
pseudo blade
We're 70/80-something'th on uploads.
strange silo
I like how your average mobile down speed is faster
pseudo blade
Yes. Much so.
pulsar thorn
Lmg are lucky when it comes to the important sites like Google and Facebook
pseudo blade
3mbps to my house, 40mbps mobile just on my phone.
pseudo blade
I want to rig up a pair of yagis for faster speeds.
pulsar thorn
Thats why my whole family had shared 218gb of mobile data a month
strange silo
10 Gbps, rookie numbers 😛
pulsar thorn
Pffft
pseudo blade
Work has 100mbps and that's nearly unheard of where I live.
pulsar thorn
That's alright
pseudo blade
Not certain what the core speeds were.
strange silo
Work has 6 10Gbps connections with a couple of other backups ones. The PoPs can actually do 100Gbps on those links but we need to upgrade our routers
pseudo blade
My uni has 21gbps.
pulsar thorn
It all comes from Redfern via VPNs at any DET building or something
strange silo
Uni's have great internet, I work at one here
pseudo blade
SSTP works on DET networks.
pulsar thorn
Det networks were safe before byod
pseudo blade
I know from experience. Just finished Adv. Dip networking, our dept has relaxed security, but access to both networks.
strange silo
DET?
pulsar thorn
Nsw department of education
pseudo blade
Department of Education and Training
strange silo
Good, I wasn't brain blanking then
pseudo blade
AARNET's where the cool toys are tbh.
strange silo
So I guess a bit like our N4L or REANNZ network
pulsar thorn
From my school up in northern Sydney I can get into cctv at a school on the other side of the state
Via the shitty Job of the it staff
pseudo blade
Seems so.
pulsar thorn
Mhm
pseudo blade
I went to a catholic primary school as a kid and could access printers in another state.
pseudo blade
Their IT security sucked.
strange silo
I used to be on a fixed wireless 100Mbps link and got a custom setup. They didn't do the setup correctly and private IPs were allowed out past the edge and I was reconfiguring my network, their private range was the same as mine and I got auto logged in to there Mikrotik router with admin perms
pseudo blade
Oof. Default creds on a Mikrotik.
pulsar thorn
Nice work
strange silo
100% mistake even on my end
pulsar thorn
Thats what the DET does too
pseudo blade
At least you could fix it yourself...
pulsar thorn
I know the logins to every phone system at every nsw public and high school
pseudo blade
100% their mistake, this is trivial to guard against.
pulsar thorn
Thanks to googe
strange silo
Problem was it has all the creds and full names of all connected customers, IPs etc
was super not ok
pseudo blade
Mikrotiks are great for the price but nothing's encrypted.
strange silo
I did check for QoS settings though 😃
strange silo
weren't any though
pulsar thorn
If they were there that'd be great
Welp I better sleep
Gotta install a wifi router at school tmrw
For my own server
pseudo blade
I'd probably be checking link contention so I knew where problems originated from.
pulsar thorn
Goodnight fellas
strange silo
Never used it, haven't really used many Mikrotiks
pseudo blade
L2 management, but it'll hop as many routers as are present regardless of L3 configurations of said MT routers.
So you can access every Mikrotik.
strange silo
Well I mean nice. but....
strange silo
-
configure each router one by one with secrets="","mysecret" - this will make all routers still send unprotected frames, but they all will be ready to accept frames protected with secret "mysecret".
-
configure each router one by one with secrets="mysecret","" - this will make all routers use secret "mysecret", but also still accept unprotected frames (from routers that have not yet been changed)
RIP x2
strange silo
Wonder what the thought process was behind that
Management network, nahhh just fire it everywhere
pseudo blade
Their hardware is cheap, but their software is stagnating...
So basically many years ago they ran into a bunch of problems in V6 and promised to fix all of them in V7.
strange silo
Kinda funny cos I actually just brought two hEXs to replace ERLite-3s
pseudo blade
V7 eventually became this magical unicorn of a release that fixes everything... And like unicorns failed to exist.
hEX is good, I have one personally.
pseudo blade
You'll be fine for home use, the big features that are missing aren't relevant to even most SMEs.
strange silo
I got the hEXs cos they could do VPLS
pseudo blade
Things to note is that the hardware accelerated IPsec is good, but the SSTP implementation is single-threaded.
16MB flash sucks too.
strange silo
But then if I do actually use them I'd have to take out my Fortigate 60D on my end
pseudo blade
IDK why they refuse to add more, packages can only be installed to the internal flash.
strange silo
Only feature I need is virtual wire between my house and my friends place where my other server is
pseudo blade
Ah.
strange silo
ERLite-3 on his end died
pseudo blade
Should be able to sit that behind your fortigate. What's handling NAT?
The fortigate or a device in front?
strange silo
hmm I hadn't actually thought about doing it that way
omfg like duh
thanks lol
fortigate, PPPoE to ONT
pseudo blade
Hm. IPsec with NAT-T.
strange silo
IPsec works fine, I just wanted a better way that has wire speed potential. The hEXs are actually all setup to work as drop in repalcements
pseudo blade
As in... to the hEX.
strange silo
VPLS over GRE does wirespeed, not encrypted but it's lab only traffic
pseudo blade
Eh, fair enough if that's fine for your use case.
strange silo
It's not, I should really encrypt that GRE tunnel lol
but then I drop 50% speed
1Gbps connection fyi
strange silo
Really like the idea of the hEX behind the fortigate though
strange silo
otherwise IPsec between fortigate and hEX
forgo vpls
and just have a spare hEX if one dies
pseudo blade
MT say it'll do 470mbps IPsec via hardware crypto.
strange silo
yea it's really good
just you know, not full connection speed (like I actually need it haha)
pseudo blade
Here's an idea. How beefy is their Fortigate?
strange silo
3Gbps ipsec
pseudo blade
Could use both hEX's and route through them equal-cost. Split the IPsec load between them. Two connections to their Fortigate
strange silo
Sorry, wrong model. 1Gbps 512 byte
Well it's my fortigate, but also my hEXs but eh not important
pseudo blade
What say? That should get you close to gigabit if everything lines up.
strange silo
Likely can't, due to ONTs not allowing that
pseudo blade
Two tunnels?
strange silo
Would have to do funky setup to get both hEXs working at one end
strange silo
I've got two /29 so 😃
pseudo blade
That makes it easier.
strange silo
Really though I don't NEED 1Gbps
pseudo blade
Eh. Do what's necessary, beyond that's up to you.
strange silo
Hmm rechecking the sped sheet
IPsec VPN Throughput (512 byte) 1 1 Gbps
Gateway-to-Gateway IPsec VPN Tunnels 200
looks like S2S is actually only 200Mbps
wonder why
pseudo blade
That's the Fortigate.
strange silo
yep
strange silo
all special hardware offload engines
Powered by SPU SoC2
Combines a RISC-based CPU with
Fortinet’s proprietary SPU content and
network processors for unmatched
performance
blah blah
pseudo blade
That's pretty normal TBH. Solution is more tunnels and aggregating them.
strange silo
hardware wise they do rock compared to the competitors at same price point though
strange silo
Hmm I'm expecting that 200Mbps to be a global max though
pseudo blade
If it's gigabit IPsec, 200mbps per connection, aggregating them should resolve the issue.
Likely not designed to be used that way, but oh well.
strange silo
Client to Gateway IPsec is 500 Mbps
pseudo blade
Oh, is this a license thing?
pseudo blade
Good.
strange silo
Problem with the Fortigate IPsec is a never got L2 tunnel working between it and the ERLite, could only do a L3 setup
pseudo blade
Cross-vendor stuff can be strange at times.
strange silo
hEXs did that super easily
cos later on, if I get round to it, I'll be replicating all my storage across the link and want to do stretched VLANs to do simple failovers
clear igloo
Stretch all the VLANs!
clear igloo
Do all the VxLAN >D
clear igloo
😄
strange silo
Yep, that's the VPLS setup I've got
In the most super hack way but lets just ignore that
I loath placing important network stuff on to my servers though, otherwise I would use open vSwitch and VXLAN
huh VMware NSX has been added to VMUG EVALExperience
could just use that
@clear igloo You ever used NSX?
clear igloo
I have not, I've used NSO 😄
Never really dealt with too much VMware orchestration tools as I don't really have any engagements that take me down that path
rocky badge
oof my school uses vCenter 6.5
hallow nimbus
Yikes
little schooner
Mine uses vcenter 6.0
No sign of html5 at ALL
The plug in requirement is so nasty that it should be illegal
And the plug in doesn't even install correctly
strange silo
upgrade to 6.5 or 6.7 then, html console on those is much faster than the flash version that's just a right pain now with all the default blocking of it
also you dont actually need the plugin, I don't use it. Just DOMAIN\ + password
not needed anymore though
little schooner
@strange silo problem is, software vendor says they do not support anything newer than vcenter 6.0 because their software uses apis specific to that version or something
We do have license to upgrade but then we risk no longer receiving their support that we pay yearly for
that's what they described to us
fresh copper
Anyone any good at cross-compiling C++ for Windows x86 on macOS?
strange silo
@little schooner What kind of software, like most stuff doesn't care what version of ESXi and vCenter you have apart from the VM hardware version itself which you can set/leave alone. Other than that only other things would be actual vCenter plugins or automation tools
bleak plover
Does any 1 know why my wifi is so slow?
fresh copper
Yes
fresh copper
Layer 0: someone set the permittivity and permissivity of empty space to 0 making all radio transmissions impossible. And also electricity and a huge number of other things that basically break the entire universe
Can I get an appraisal on this pair of servers? I don’t know much about HP servers or those processors.
HP DL380P Gen8 (qty 2)
Intel E5-2620 CPU (2 Processors)
128GB RAM
Redundant power supplies
Each server will take 8 drives
Storage drives (non-configured to any chassis)
12x 300GB 15K SAS
6x 900GB 10K SAS
clear igloo
Maybe $300 to $500 but the RAM could up that price a bit
fresh copper
Any idea what power consumption might be on them
clear igloo
I would say maybe 200 to 300 watts under heavy load as a guess
fresh copper
That’s about what I want on power consumption so that’s good. I’m just waiting to here back how much my friend wants (got them from a client that upgraded).
Thanks for the help everyone
That’s perfect. Mine won’t be very busy though it will be good to have the power to actually support more than one VM.
Main thing is that it is much more powerful than my Xserve without taking too much more power. I will also have two so besides the one I put in my colo to replace my Xserve, I can finally have a homelab
It’s -12 outside now (which is rare)
But yea
fresh copper
I heard back from my friend and he will give me both servers for $1500.
green gazelle
Looks like windows
fresh copper
Yea but 128GB ram and all those SAS disks
rocky badge
why the fuck isn't this automatically ticked https://blob.linusdrop.tips/jGtFZjjIMai0.png
pseudo blade
Yeah, but they're low-clock processors from 2012 and the RAM won't work with any CPU worth spending the additional money to upgrade to. @fresh copper
I'd be asking myself if having that amount of RAM for your homelab would really matter based on the load you're expecting, and whether a cheaper, more specialised configuration would work just as well.
strange silo
@fresh copper We have a lot of DL380P Gen8s, great servers. Those 15K RPM disks are really only worth the caddys to put your own disks in to them i.e. SSDs, they fail a lot.
Also for $1500, hell no
fresh copper
Even with getting two of them?
Because it’s that much for both, not each
@strange silo
fresh copper
The $1500 is CAD
strange silo
Like you can get one for $325 with 2x E5-2690
fresh copper
So it’s about $1150 in USD
strange silo
Well that is better, more comes down to do you want to spend that much then
zenith ridge
@strange silo 325$ for 2x E5-2690?
Where and would it be worth to swap my 2x E5-2665 for those? They perform well but older games struggle with single core performance
sturdy mirage
het dudes, i got many mtrj fiber cables, do you know anything to do with those or should i just give them away ?
covert ibex
@sturdy mirage
https://www.reddit.com/r/homelabsales/
sturdy mirage
noice 😃
strange silo
@zenith ridge Nah you'll want E5-2667v2 or E5-2687Wv2, anything else for your workload wouldn't be worth the money nor gain you anything
Also that was for full server without ram not just the CPUs
zenith ridge
Thats a good deal then, What if I buy a full system, for that price, swap those cpu's with mine, and sell a fully working system again? or use it as a test machines
Also for v2 cpu's, my motherboard supports those, with a bios update, so no clue how easy that will be
torn stump
What's the best option for bootdrive of a server? USB, SSD of HDD? Of course the config fille will have a backup.
zenith ridge
I have an unraid server (Don't think they allow anything else then USB) for over 2 years now. It's fine depening on what OS you are running I suppose.
torn stump
I'll be running freenas
zenith ridge
Freenas, I think they even have an option at installation to use 2 USB sticks for backup
torn stump
Oh nice. That's also an option
torn stump
Thanks!
main kestrel
does anyone know how i can lower my ping in games
hallow nimbus
What is ur ping atm?
What you can do is move closer to the game server
Or buy faster internet(Fiber in this case)
subtle glen
who does even change house just to play with lower ping
also my ping increased with the fiber connection lol
fresh copper
I decided to get those servers I was talking about. Sadly they are in the 4x1G rather than the 2x10G config but they do have an extra 4 port nic each for a total of 8 ports each
strange silo
@fresh copper Those NIC cards are removable FYI, look up the part number for the 10G and then get some on ebay and do the swap
strange silo
You can of course use a PCIe NIC but the internal NIC card is nicer
I take out the 10G when we decommission our servers, RIP anyone that buys them used lol
fresh copper
Yea. I think the 10G internal one is 10GBase-T so I will have to get one of those things that lets me plug that into SFP+
strange silo
Nope SFP+, we are talking about DL380 Gen8 correct?
fresh copper
Yea. It was very unclear on the spec sheet but that’s good. The plan was to use DAC cables to my 10G switch that I need to buy
strange silo
Oh interesting it has both Base-T and SFP+ FlexLOM option
HP FlexFabric 10Gb 2-port 526FLR-SFP+ FIO Adapter 684219-B21
HP Ethernet 10Gb 2-port 530FLR-SFP+ FIO Adapter 684210-B21
HP FlexFabric 10Gb 2-port 534FLR-SFP+ FIO Adapter 700752-B21
HP FlexFabric 10Gb 2-port 554FLR-SFP+ FIO Adapter 684213-B21
HP FlexFabric 10Gb 2-port 556FLR-SFP+ FIO Adapter 732456-B21
HP Ethernet 10Gb 2-port 560FLR-SFP+ FIO Adapter 684218-B21
HP Ethernet 10Gb 2-port 570FLR-SFP+ FIO Adapter 717492-B21
HP Ethernet 10Gb 2-port 571FLR-SFP+ FIO Adapter 728993-B21
are the SFP+ P/N
fresh copper
That’s interesting, I’ll be going for SFP+
I was looking at the Mikrotik CRS305 switch (4 SFP+, 1 1000Base-T) but the local distributor is out of stock on those until March so I may get a CRS309 which has 8 SFP+ ports and is rackmount though it is more expensive. I don’t know what I’ll do with half those ports. Maybe ask my rackmate to give me a port on his 10G switch rather than on his 1G.
Is there are difference between those part numbers?
strange silo
Different OEM NIC so different feature support and slight performance differences
like some will be Connectx-2 and some will be Connectx-3 and then different sub models of those etc
HP Ethernet 10Gb 2-port 571FLR-SFP+ Adapter (Solarflare SFN5862F)
fresh copper
That makes sense
broken cosmos
How does i get better speeds without buying a better dataplan?
When speedtesting the router downstairs i have around 25MB/s (tested on phone) but my pc only 6MB/s. (Tested on PC)
My pc is upstairs and connected to the router with a walladapter thing.
broken cosmos
Goshdarnit
zenith ridge
How do you call the thing that can measure how much watt a device pulls from the wall?
clear igloo
Kill-A-Watt?
zenith ridge
It gave me some results so yes, that was it! 😄
clear igloo
Any sort of requirements on the collapsed core or are you just asking if it's good/bad/etc?
hallow nimbus
👀
clear igloo
I mean it's cost savings and simplicity over a 3 tier model and allows for greater host mobility
unkempt crest
I just ordered an edge router X. It comes Tuesday! im so excited
fresh copper
Awesome! The ERX is really cool. I've had a few issues where it decides to have random downtime, I have a feeling it's due to cooling so I would make sure it has ventilation. Remember to turn on hardware offloading
topaz mantle
It's been forever since I did subnetting and netmasks,
If my home network was 192.168.114.1 → 192.168.114.254 that be 192.168.114.0/24 if I remember right.
But what I am trying to figure out how to represent my actual network.
Which for some reason by default in the router is 192.168.114.100 → 192.168.114.249
unreal wedge
While your subnet may be a /24, your DHCP server in the router is only using 100 - 249. There's a place to adjust that. If it has a "max users" option somewhere, or a DHCP section, look to set it, or change the max users to around 250, which would force it to open the full pool.
topaz mantle
I could change it. But I figured I would ask about the default instead of expanding it.
oh, I found a range to CIDR tool.
It says to use
192.168.114.100/30, 192.168.114.104/29, 192.168.114.112/28, 192.168.114.128/26, 192.168.114.192/27, 192.168.114.224/28, 192.168.114.240/29, 192.168.114.248/31
fresh copper
What's going on with your router is what Dooley said. The actual subnet is a /24 but the DHCP server is not handing out all of the addresses in case you wanted to have some statically assigned
spice ledge
@unkempt crest it’s a great peace of tech, though I personally like the UniFi gear a little more
pulsar thorn
Australia's fibre internet is shit
We had a hail storm
And our fibre internet cut out
And it's all underground
Like how???
spice ledge
Permafrost
hallow nimbus
Only in ausieland
hallow nimbus
😂
strange silo
@ancient vigil Can I pick another option. Can't say, not enough information aka cop out 😃
strange silo
@ancient vigil Ok so that's very similar to the way we do it, or seems like it. We don't stack our TOR switches though, or distribution. The only place where we have stacks in campus network on edge cabs, everything back from that is not stacked. We do that for resiliency and maintenance reasons. Stacking is great but when it goes wrong, which is does more than it should, you end up wishing you didn't stack because you would have been saved if it wasn't.
Oh, misread that then 🙂
Sounds exactly what we have then, bar the Aux.
Oh and we're full BGP, but that's more a side thing to what you're asking
HPE FF 7904 + HPE 5900 if you're interested, all EOL this year and getting replaced
clear igloo
@strange silo Replaced with some Nexus 9316-DD and 9336 or 9364 perhaps? 😛
strange silo
@clear igloo Huawei
clear igloo
Forbidden! lol
strange silo
Well that's the vendor chosen for the network replacement and the only thing left is the DC networking
They are great at "HPE can do this" or "Cisco can do this" then custom software release soon after with that feature lol
clear igloo
lol
strange silo
Our network arch seems to like their products, though none of us would have picked them given the actual choice
clear igloo
That sounds about right, got that one person who really loves company X and that's the way the network goes
strange silo
Sticking with HPE was our choice, RFPs heavily weighted on purchase cost sucks sooooooo much
Nope, his pick was also HPE
100% procurement/finance pick
clear igloo
Wow
strange silo
bastards
Our network arch is (was) on the HPE product design board, every year he goes to that meeting and some of his input made it in to products
he's not on that anymore....
clear igloo
That's pretty cool still
thin pasture
Query real fast. If you were planning to install whole house ethernet, would you rather have one jack in the room or more than one? I was thinking along the line of 2 jacks in each room.
clear igloo
Multiple, always
strange silo
More than one, running two is the same as running one
clear igloo
I've been lucky to hang out with a few of the higher ups on the data center side of things who do the product design and implementation stuff. Got a book written by one of them 😃
thin pasture
I was contemplating running 2 to a room and then run 2 extra to each room for expansion, but that would possible be too much,
I think 4 per room could be overkill
clear igloo
4 to some rooms, like a family room, makes sense
strange silo
You don't have to patch them but having them there is thousand times better if you later need them and they aren't there
thin pasture
I agree like running 4 to the family room, but I was thinking my room doesn’t need four lol. Hell at one point I thought about SFP+ install in my room
strange silo
I ran the cabling and patched my parents place when they built it, sucky job but never be in the position that you'll regret not having run more than one cable at the time where it's no harder to
thin pasture
Leadeater, I just worry for how the how design is here. Since the floors are tile (no crawl space or basement) and having to deal with Stucko
strange silo
Every wall outlet is a dual, most rooms got a single dual but main living rooms got a dual on every wall
Oh so existing house, sucks to be you 😃
strange silo
In those instances I heavily lean on wireless as much as I can
And put in a nicer system like Ubnt or better
thin pasture
One of my plans was going to be installing Unifi In Wall APs
strange silo
Spent a day putting up 3 APs in an old cottage/house, double height ceiling. Annoying and hard job, fully extended ladders so aren't as stable feeling as I'd like lol
thin pasture
I know that pain, I have a 15ft Ceiling with a Nest Protect Lol
strange silo
My friend was like, half day job. Nooooope
thin pasture
The way my house was designed to be honest is annoying as hell. Literally one part of my rooms ceiling is 8ft. The other half is 10ft
strange silo
In any case for any drops where it's just as easy to do 2 cables as 1 I'd do 2
Doing another one, in a different location not so much
thin pasture
These are the APs I’m lookin at, https://inwall-hd.ui.com
strange silo
Not actually seen or used those, I like the idea but I'd like to see it in action
thin pasture
Which was why I got the urge to do whole house ethernet, plus it would look good (I think) as a selling point down the line to be wired for ethernet.
I like the idea as well, which is why I was considering them, because the router I have now, it’s starting to show it’s age.
strange silo
Got a price for them?
thin pasture
$179
I remember they had a pack set if I recall
I found the proper pack, but I guess they changed the sku
Edit: it was because the original ones I was looking at have 2 ports not 4
strange silo
It's like half the price
thin pasture
Especially if most of the rooms will only need 2 ports
strange silo
On the really low end there is this one
Main thing I liked about that model was that it's a normal wall outlet style
But it's got sucky wireless speeds
thin pasture
Yeah
strange silo
@clear igloo He was more on the external customer design team, meeting with the actual HPE design and development team but it was a proper engagement thing where you could present your ideas or needs and they would look at them and decide if they would go in to further consideration
thin pasture
I’m still trying to figure exactly what I wanna do, especially since I’m considering a Plex addition,
strange silo
Plus it was a free trip over seas, free food and accommodation so yea, wooooo!!
clear igloo
@strange silo Ah, that makes sense, sounds fun too 😃
strange silo
Should have seen Huawei's reaction though when they found out we were buying all the network modules from fs.com and not from them at their stupid inflated price
clear igloo
XD
clear igloo
Yah, that's how they get you 😛
It's like:
400G switch?
$100
400G optic?
$50k
or buy two switches, get 1 optic free XD
thin pasture
I’ll take the Bogo lol
@strange silo I guess you can say, I should start the network upgrades soon lol
subtle glen
Which one of these is my fiber connection? VDSL?
unreal wedge
I'd say Eth.
subtle glen
The fiber goes to an SFP module before entering the modem, not tru a media converter
still eth?
unreal wedge
Wouldn't be DSL in my book.
subtle glen
you are probably right, ill try that
unreal wedge
Notice most of those are only labels. Pay attention to this part https://dooleylabs.com/stjct-.png
Asynchronous Transfer Mode
Packet Transfer Mode
I'm assuming ETH would be the one that's active.
subtle glen
i could try to shut all of them down except for the ethernet one and see if i still have internet
little schooner
Is NETGEAR the cheapest candidate for a 4 port requirement 10g switch?
That also has all the ports as ethernet
woven zealot
i have google fiber witht he fiber box and multiple gaming pcs. kinda like permeant lan
how do i improve from the google box
like is ubiquiti a soild option idk
i feel like currently when i stream games and someone is on the wifi it lags the wifi
unreal wedge
Kinda spammy there bud
unreal wedge
I meant all of that could fit in a single message.
woven zealot
lmao kk
fresh copper
If you’re ok with SFP+ then there is the awesome mikrotik one
Dooley, you should show him a screenshot of what it looks like. I makes way more sense when you see it
unkempt crest
Double check me on my network idea. I plan to use an edge router X for all of the routing in my house. Then since I have alot of IOT devices and just regular devices in my house I plan to run my Night
Hawk X9 in AP mode for all 5G devices and then anther Cheapo netgear router also in ap mode to run all of the IoT.
Night Hawk X6*
fresh copper
That sounds like a plan. You might be able to get the Night Hawk to send out a separate SSID for your IoT stuff if you want to go that route but it’s probably better to keep it on another router so you can use a separate band
unkempt crest
Thats Kinda the setup I have currently until I get the ERX I have the X6 Running 2 5G SSIDs for regular devices and then the 2.4 band is dedicated to IoT. The Reason I want to split onto two Separate AP's is because the X6 is currently running 25 Devices and a moderate load and It has issues.
cerulean hull
I made my old laptop into a server
then windows made me reset the pc
then i had to reinstall it
the laptop does not work
rocky badge
😂
hallow nimbus
😂
crisp shell
Hi, I'm thinking about a steam cache server. Do I need a top of the line pc
fresh copper
Not at all
crisp shell
So I could use my old AMD APU with some random RAM
fresh copper
As long your nic is 1G and not 10/100
crisp shell
Alright, thanks!
fair monolith
anyone on good with networking?
fresh copper
A lot of us are including myself. What is your question?
fair monolith
well i seen a newbie that needed some help didnt want to leave them hanging for 24hrs
gritty owl
Okay, and the question is?
fair monolith
I have a secondary router (dd-wrt) which i want to connect with my primary router using a wireless bridge
the primary router is the dhcp server but that means I can no longer access the secondary router
My question was if there was any bypass
but they are still in newbie chat
gritty owl
So they want to access the 2nd router?
fair monolith
idk thats all i got
gritty owl
Yeah, the easy way to go about it is to unplug the second router, plug a PC to it, set it up, then plug it back to the primary router.
2nd router is going to forward the router setup page to the primary one since it's the gateway (At least if person disabled the DHCP on 2nd router)
pseudo blade
2nd router is going to forward the router setup page to the primary one since it's the gateway Uhh, no?
No. That won't happen at all.
gritty owl
I'm not sure if DHCP is disabled on the 2nd one or not. I can't tell if person is trying to use it as a wireless access point or not.
pseudo blade
You'd statically assign it an IP on your main network for management, disable DHCP then run a cable from a LAN port on the first router to a LAN port on the second one, ignoring the slave's WAN port entirely (connect nothing)
If you don't assign it an IP for management it will be inaccessible. If it conflicts with the IP for the first router you'll encounter all kinds of weird network unpleasantness.
near lintel
Yo boyos. Anyone have experience with SolarWinds Network Performance Monitor, Splunk, or Acronis Backup?
Looking to implement them for a network refresh to make the network as intelligent and autonomous as possible with a lot of useful visual data generated from the analytics features.
clear igloo
NPM is pretty nice but compared to something like PRTG I'm not sure if the price is worth it
Been a while since I messed with Splunk directly but it's very powerful
near lintel
I mean it's DoD money so I'm not worried about the cost.
We're getting a lot funneled into our shop since it's kinda important and the network is basically on its last legs using hardware from like 08.
I'm basically trying to develop an infrastructure that could be put forth as a model for other shops to use.
But the feature set of NPM is pretty compelling.
clear igloo
Depending on the hardware, if it offers SSX and other streaming stats then I would look at something that can take advantage of those features
pseudo blade
Here's a fun one for you guys... I'm trying to find an outdoor case that will fit this and a USB device.
Needs about 4CM clearance if I'm using a USB extension cable but if possible 8CM to fit the whole thing sans cable would be preferable.
Dimensions are 105*150mm. Only using one of the ethernet ports, but I do need to get two cables out for a pair of Yagis.
https://i.mt.lv/cdn/rb_files/M33G-171219112521.pdf
I'm based in Australia if it helps.
(Ping me if you respond, I am in a lot of servers and asked in several of them.)
cunning shoal
pls help. I am the only one on the internet and I have a ping of around 1000. This is the first time that this has happened, and I keep getting kicked from rainbow six. Normally I have a ping of around 18. The longer that I play Rainbow Six, the higher that my ping gets. I contacted my isp, and they said that my ping to places like google has nothing to do with them, as my ping to comporium, which is our isp, was only 18 ms.
My ping to any disc vc is over 700
unreal wedge
Your ping to Google has everything to do with them. Call the retentions department and say you'd like to cancel because their service is shit and they don't care enough to fix it.
fresh copper
If you get a ping of 18 to them but over 100 (or really like 50) to google, then something is very wrong and it is their fault and they can control it, especially to large services like google. I would be interested to see a traceroute to google to see where the slowdown happens.
unreal wedge
It's definitely a routing issue on their end because Google's fine.
pseudo blade
If your ping to them is good it likely means they are cheaping out on peering.
And they are trying to screw you over by pretending that a ping between you and them means anything if you can go no further without garbage performance.
mossy holly
Guys i just had an idea for satalite internet
fresh copper
Satellite internet does exist. In the US, Dish and Century Link and the main satellite internet providers.
I've always wondered if moonbounce based internet could ever work. I'm sure it would require a custom solution but you might be able to squeeze a few kbps out of it
unreal wedge
@mossy holly Elon's already working on modernizing it. Seems very interested in Aussie.
pseudo blade
moonbounce Latency. Also the moon isn't always where you'd want it to be.
unreal wedge
So let's build a death star exactly across from the moon.
fresh copper
a few kbps there are many issues with a moonbounce based system.
I think the main issue with satellite internet for gamers would be the latency. Maybe if the game server was hosted on the satellite somehow.
unreal wedge
@mossy holly that's a dumpster fire.
unkempt crest
gritty owl
Congrats on the edgerouter X
pseudo blade
Small router is small.
covert ibex
This seem fine for a home ipxe setup to be virtually virus/Ransomware proof?..
@stoic tendon
@rocky badge
unreal wedge
Ha ha, no.
covert ibex
@unreal wedge
Explanation?
unreal wedge
Any idiot can download ransomeware, so the router needs to serve as a firewall, each PC need decent AV, like Malwarebytes, and I'm not sure why there's a firewall at left if there's already supposed to be one in place on each device.
covert ibex
Well the idea is, server can't see internet.
Computers can see server only through ipxe.
Computers can see internet.
If theirs an issue, or one of the firewalls pick up a port not authorized, it sends a reset to the pc causing it, booting over network again, "fixing" the issue.
unreal wedge
So VLAN the server?
covert ibex
Idea was get the topology right, then find more specific things to achieve it.
covert ibex
Two firewalls servers, an ipxe server I set up for an internet café until they decided to upgrade.
Budget is...$800
pseudo blade
What internet speeds do you get?
unreal wedge
Why do you need a physical firewall server when you can do this on the machine itself? https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-to-drop-10-million-packets/
pseudo blade
I'd just get an ISR-style router and do everything on that.
50mbps is super easy even with filtering.
I have a Mikrotik hEX that sounds like it'd be perfect, but maybe you can reuse some parts you already have.
covert ibex
Two ipcop servers.
I'd rather have them not managed on the pc's.
pseudo blade
@covert ibex Security in depth - do it on the PCs and the router/firewalls.
Also can we have some specs for any of your stuff?
covert ibex
Firewalls are irrc, HP ProLiant DL380 G5
covert ibex
And ipxe server is just a pc I scrubbed together for the soul purpose of using ipxe on it.
@pseudo blade
Ranges from just me, to 40+ people lans I host.
Easier to get everybody booting off ipxe and playing the same games that way.
@unreal wedge
Saving that page..
slow belfry
@unreal wedge I might've found a bug; the background is transparent and I have discord in darkmode xd
covert ibex
That all works fine. :P
pseudo blade
If not I'd just VLAN all of them off and drop traffic to your personal subnet.
In your place I'd be looking to ditch the proliants for cheaper, smaller systems for energy bill-related reasons.
I had an ML350 G5 and an ML370 G5.
covert ibex
Power draw isn't an issue.
Really lucky with work to have it paid through their account.
pseudo blade
Fair fair. Just plan for a lot of heat.
covert ibex
My spair bedroom or "server" room has its own Aircon. :P
Theirs a bed too if people like the sound of fans spinning...
pseudo blade
How many NICs in them?
covert ibex
PC's, firewalls or ipxe server?
pseudo blade
Any and all. Figure out what you can ditch.
Less hardware = better security.
Smaller attack surface, less complexity.
covert ibex
Ipxe has 2, firewalls have two each, and pc's have one each.
pseudo blade
Do you have at least one switch with VLAN trunking support?
covert ibex
No, but I have a few routers with DMZ.
lavish warren
🤔
covert ibex
@lavish warren
lavish warren
What are you trying to achieve my friend?
covert ibex
Read up a bit..
lavish warren
So you want your Computers segregated from your server network and only specific traffic to pin hole through to servers? The diagram you posted above is that the physical topology?
Id go a low end Fortigate with av licensing. Segregate your DMZ and Trusted zone by VLANs. By a cheap $200 switch that can do VLANs.
That way you only have a small device / switch running (not an entire server)
What speed do you need to route between your server / computer network?
covert ibex
That pic right there is just for DMZ reference.
But yeah, ideally, only the local network can see the ipxe server.
Speeds only need to be gigabit. Nothing crazy.
Theirs another file server but that's not an issue, and isn't effected by any of this.
lavish warren
Right right, Is it like some sort of guest network? are there any BYOD on the PC network?
covert ibex
Typically it's personal.
But occasionally it's 40+ byod.
covert ibex
Some switches.
pseudo blade
Got any model numbers?
covert ibex
They're left overs from when I use to work at a school. Pretty basic, no internal config.
pseudo blade
Hm.
covert ibex
Just useful 48port gigabit switches.
strange silo
Those routers with DMZ support you mentioned, those consumer routers? Cos if they are the DMZ feature on those isn't actually DMZ, not properly anyway
stoic tendon
@covert ibex that setup can be useful for virus attacks, but as dooley said, people can download ransomware. Idk y u pinged me tho, I'm one on the worst ppl for tech here lol
strange silo
@stoic tendon Good enough to get asked though 😃
stoic tendon
Eh
covert ibex
The idea was, because they're network booted OS's, if it gets hit from Ransomware, just reboot and it's fixed
stoic tendon
If you would say what ive said at tech support you would be terrified @strange silo
Sythe, sry but i dont know what to say this far, imma lurk the chat so at least i can learn sth
strange silo
Controversial opinion but..... only idiots actually get ransomeware, like one of the best if not most effective protection methods is to know what you're doing and be safe. Honestly works extremely well.
stoic tendon
People in my country, use deepfreeze on cafès, so every restart would clean the pc, but they dont know how easy it can be exploited
lavish warren
Depends on circumstance I guess
strange silo
I never actually like deepfreeze, sounded better than it actually was
strange silo
network shares and other non protected network resources exist too
like deepfreeze doesn't help at all with those
stoic tendon
Yea, couldnt you just send an autorun, or a bat in a network share?
lavish warren
backups / folder permissions
strange silo
well I also mean if you do get ransomed and a network share gets encrypted rebooting the deepfreeze computer doesn't undo the damage
lavish warren
backups
stoic tendon
Computers in cafes in here are crap, so you cannit even use backups
strange silo
well of course but that's why deepfreeze is not as good as advertised
strange silo
lol
stoic tendon
l0l
lavish warren
I've seen in two instances large companies paid the decrypt fee
covert ibex
I've seen one pay it too.
lavish warren
1 K or whatever the bit coin price was was like a small price to pay for the loss in work etc so they did it
stoic tendon
I love how internet cafes in here have such an unprotected network
strange silo
everything we have gets hourly snapshots so the worst that can happen is an hour of lost changes
lavish warren
Replica's 🤔
stoic tendon
I never knew there was a networking channel, might as well be a little active here, cuz um bad at networking
strange silo
that doesn't help, you just replicated the dun fcked
lavish warren
hahaha
You said you take snapshots every hour which is generally known as replica's.
strange silo
but yea, if you have something that supports snapshots you have replication most likely as well
well if you mount the snap I'd call it that
covert ibex
Lead, wanted in #public-chat
stoic tendon
But, where do you save those snaps? I guess they are decent when it comes to the file size
strange silo
If it's for mod reasons I don't actually do that fyi
strange silo
Who's doing what? I can like band-aid if I have to
covert ibex
Wolverine was trolling asking for handouts, and Spidey posted a bad pic.
But, peeps are complaining about mods now so... Ehh
stoic tendon
@covert ibex fromhow i undestand your network(not rly sure about what im saying now), but there are viruses which can operate witgout interenet, suh as memz(as far as im concerned) si no actual packet will be sent to any port so the pc wouldnt restart. Im saying again that this is my opinion, and my opinions arent the best to rely on.
covert ibex
I'm not trying to say this is 100% foolproof.
I'm just trying to make it as safe as reasonably possible with a little leway for user error.
covert ibex
Think of it like trying to build a network that's relatively safe from people who "think" they know about computers, until something goes wrong.
strange silo
If you don't have a vlan capable switch you can just use two dedicated lan nics in the firewall and create rules for traffic flow between the subnets
stoic tendon
O
strange silo
then switches off each port is tied to that subnet and firewall zone
stoic tendon
In my place you can leave your home network open, and nothing would happen, because in here ppl that know a little about computers are pretty rare
😂
strange silo
those people are the worst lol
stoic tendon
Which ppl?
strange silo
people who know little about computers..... but just enough to break them/full them with viruses and crap
stoic tendon
Eh
Im a nice person so i dont rly virus attack anyone
Even tho they are completely unprotected
strange silo
years ago back when IE and toolbar extensions were the big thing someone asked me to fix their laptop, it had 8! toolbars
strange silo
half the damn window was toolbars
stoic tendon
Ive seen stuff like that on my cousins pc
He had like 6 extensions
Useless
Ones
covert ibex
My boss routinely disables windows services because he thinks somebody is monitoring his pc..
stoic tendon
Some stupid furst webpage and non pg notifications came up every minute
strange silo
well it's not 'untrue'
stoic tendon
On his pc
covert ibex
It's not connected to the internet..
lavish warren
DHCP snooping, arp inspection, UTM
covert ibex
He took a hammer to the router last year.. still thinks it's working..
stoic tendon
Wait what
covert ibex
40lb hammer..
stoic tendon
Im mindblown by the dumbness sometimes, not to offense, but thats the truth
covert ibex
Trust me.. all I can do is agree with him, fix it, and get ready to fix it the next week.
lavish warren
strange silo
18kg*
stoic tendon
You got me when ypu said get ready to fix it next week
Does he, hammer his router every week?
😂
strange silo
time for decoy router?
stoic tendon
l0l
covert ibex
No, deletes windows files, disables services.. random crap. Take your pick.
stoic tendon
deletes system32
covert ibex
Company hasn't had an internet connection since he hammered the router.
stoic tendon
Woah
covert ibex
I just hotspot to do emails.
strange silo
the world is also flat too right?
stoic tendon
My "IT" teacher has remote connections enabled
covert ibex
I don't ask... Best not to delve down his rabbit hole.
My school IT teacher AT SCHOOL IN CLASS on a projector got credit card scammed while we all watched it happen.
stoic tendon
Ahahahah
strange silo
that takes skill
stoic tendon
If i see one of those scammy site replicas, ill try my best to make a python bot to send random stuff
covert ibex
That was year 9 IT.
Soon after, I was working there.
4 years with an ex Microsoft dev.
Most I've ever learned.
stoic tendon
Well im not in the age to have a job
Soo all ive learned is by myself
And I have my own goals
covert ibex
Isn't that everybody's goal?
stoic tendon
Lol
covert ibex
Actually, I'd still work.
Not as many days, and not as hard. But I'd still work.
stoic tendon
Well i dont care about jobs, i just want to expand my knowledge on tech
covert ibex
Dream of working at LMG.
stoic tendon
Impossible
strange silo
Lesson 1, you can't know everything
stoic tendon
I live in EU
covert ibex
I said dream damn it..
covert ibex
Lesson 2. Don't stop trying.
stoic tendon
And not know anything
strange silo
doesn't stop me from trying 😃
strange silo
Also if you're interested in IT then LMG isn't actually the place to go work
covert ibex
Well, ideally you'd be there learning about configuring servers, and switches and stuff...
strange silo
That would be the won lotto job and just need to kill time path
gritty owl
lol, please do not make your server room like linus'
covert ibex
And because they change tech fairly often, you'd see new equipment fairly often.
pseudo blade
Nonsense. Learn IT with LMG. IT involves axle grinders, dremels and glue.
strange silo
lol
pseudo blade
Naturally.
covert ibex
You forgot dropping stuff.
strange silo
and DIY pfsense servers with broken cpu sockets
covert ibex
Hard.
pseudo blade
RGB ethernet cables when?
covert ibex
And broken CPU's.
gritty owl
I'm just waiting for when that Eaton UPS breaks down. lol
pseudo blade
Make the cables drop packets randomly.
stoic tendon
lol
strange silo
"We water cooled our UPS"
long totem
Just use iptables to drop your packets.
pseudo blade
No no no no no
strange silo
Mineral oil UPS?
covert ibex
@pseudo blade
Add those magnet clips on the ethernet cables. Just.. use stronger magnets.
stoic tendon
lol
covert ibex
@strange silo
Mineral oil server rack.
pseudo blade
Mineral oil UPS - Imagine replacing the batteries.
stoic tendon
haha
long totem
Just change the oil filter.
covert ibex
Oh. Durr.
RGB server rack.
stoic tendon
sythe, thats probs expected
strange silo
Would be a brave sole to put your hands in to 5 year old stagnant mineral oil with a 500V battery string
this isn't conductive right?
pseudo blade
Just give Linus thermochromic tattoos and make him RGB.
stoic tendon
i guess
stoic tendon
what if linus is lurking?
pseudo blade
@strange silo I guess you'd find out when something shorts explosively.
long totem
Or lethally.
strange silo
You might not the the business next door will when the wall blows down
covert ibex
Give linus wireless RGB implants. Only the true hardcore wear their RGB sync patterns..
gritty owl
Just gives you that wake up call you needed
toxic quartz
You work in a DC @strange silo ?
strange silo
@toxic quartz yea
toxic quartz
Which one?
covert ibex
Can I come work for you, with my current pay?..
strange silo
@stoic tendon He wouldn't get offended to much, he knows what he does is jank
gritty owl
datacenter
stoic tendon
oh
strange silo
@toxic quartz Can't say but it's one of the big Uni's in NZ
covert ibex
Oh, not even that far.
stoic tendon
i am aming for learning python, and then ill freelance to get a better pc,im bored of this core 2 duo
pseudo blade
I need to find somewhere better to work than where I do now.
long totem
@stoic tendon windows or linux?
stoic tendon
windows, cant swith to linux, because of school projects
gritty owl
I'm still job hunting. haha.
pseudo blade
@stoic tendon What software?
stoic tendon
whats software for what
pseudo blade
School projects?
stoic tendon
for school porjects i use ms office
long totem
Pure python is a bit sluggish, compared to other languages, but it gets the job done.
pseudo blade
Use Google Apps.
stoic tendon
im not aiming for pure python @long totem, modules exist
pseudo blade
Never looked back since I ditched Office because I lost a document one too many times.
strange silo
Wordperfect 1995
gritty owl
Could learn python for networking if you like it
long totem
If you use modules that are written in python they're slower compared to modules that use other languages, like scipy.
toxic quartz
@strange silo what kind of work you do in DC?
pseudo blade
Actual networking? Noooooo.
long totem
What about firewalling?
stoic tendon
@pseudo blade , google apps cannot do the job ms office does, the look of a projects is rly important, and google apps cant give that stylish look
gritty owl
You'd want to use a better language for actual networking for sure
Nothing can replace word art in MS Office. muhaha
pseudo blade
stylish It works.
stoic tendon
with python? i would do a few discord bots, or maybe a simple website
with htm and css in it
pseudo blade
Discord bots suck in Python.
strange silo
@toxic quartz Systems engineer, lots of different stuff but mainly storage/backups/virtualization/hardware monitoring and installation/security and patching etc etc
pseudo blade
Take it from someone who built one.
stoic tendon
the rewrite has now full use for the api
long totem
But it's too locking.
toxic quartz
you know serverius? @strange silo
pseudo blade
The GIL is painful.
stoic tendon
well, i learnt python cuz its good to start, idk what to do with it now
strange silo
Know of, like name only and what they do
stoic tendon
ill practice python a bit, and i guess ill just freelance
pseudo blade
Golang looks nice so far.
stoic tendon
whats golang?
toxic quartz
I am support engineer, most of my work is maintaning server, little Sales little network
gritty owl
I need to check out Golang
long totem
pseudo blade
Programming language.
stoic tendon
but, for what can it be used?
long totem
It makes concurrency easier.
covert ibex
RoR isn't bad...
pseudo blade
Faster than Python, really easy to compile for anything.
I have compiled Golang software for home routers before.
stoic tendon
idk like to build some discord bots, lol
long totem
It can do that.
stoic tendon
are there decent docs for it?
pseudo blade
I go do and do things and learn from that.
stoic tendon
kng furu, their lessons are way too slow
toxic quartz
you want to learn fast?
pseudo blade
I just iterate until it's fast enough.
covert ibex
You'd like ruby on rails..
gritty owl
I think coding in an actual editor is better my opinion vs website (like codeacademy) , each to their own though.
strange silo
ahh the good old fast vs properly dilemma
pseudo blade
VS Code is nice for Python.
stoic tendon
what does vs code do?
long totem
It's an editor.
pseudo blade
IDE. Makes debugging easy.
pseudo blade
Highlights stuff. Tells you before you run your code if it will break.
covert ibex
So it's like.. visual studio... For python?..
pseudo blade
At least for syntax errors.
zenith ridge
I love VS Code 👌
long totem
I prefer emacs.
stoic tendon
idk which project is good for python
pseudo blade
Yes, but was less bloated than Visual Studio itself.
zenith ridge
use it for HTML, CSS, JS (angular), PHP
strange silo
notepad++ 😛
pseudo blade
Ironic, it being an Electron app.
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stoic tendon
ew
pseudo blade
Notepad++ is painful for Python.
covert ibex
@strange silo
+1
pseudo blade
Doesn't indent easily.
strange silo
banned for trolling
gritty owl
lol
covert ibex
"runs and hides*
stoic tendon
pycharm isnt bad for python
slow belfry
I use Pycharm
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if you use VSCode, and you open a .py, it will show this https://blob.linusdrop.tips/bb71d0bc9a.png
pseudo blade
I hated Atom. Never played with Pycharm.
slow belfry
I use atom for random file editing