the ghetto setup
#networking
little schooner
cold peak
My server room is my whole base
It's a big air Force Base... and my BCC is huge x.x
So much equipment, so heavy too when you need to maintance it xX
xD
little schooner
its nice to have all that space
cold peak
Yup
little schooner
even the APs
they are heavy for what looks like
something small
i've lifted one and was shocked to find
that one out
cold peak
Yup
Because then they are connected to an Antenna
cuz what they are are basically WiFi
Great for cameras
little schooner
also it takes some expertise to get the right wifi setup
like the site survey stuff
little schooner
lol
cold peak
It was a nightmare, I had to escort them into the building and roof
But oh well, .. are you still studying networking? @little schooner
little schooner
@cold peak sadly no. This semester I am taking all general classes
I've finished up all my networking coursework
cold peak
Ah, does it interest you?
little schooner
very much interest me
in fact
I thank my professor 100%
for solidfying this degree choice
for me
cold peak
Study Firewalls, heck dude... the industry needs people that know Firewalls btw
little schooner
if it wasnt for his intro class
man....
I'd never consider networking
I really am glad I did
yeah I was thinking of doing the CyberOps course next
little schooner
Yeah I have access to it right now
but little time to actually do the content
with all this full time school stuff
during the break i will review it
and probably go for the certification
should be easy
I learn pretty quickly
cold peak
It is annoying ...
It's so annoying you'll be out of breath by the time you get the certificate but it's worth it after you are done
Like doing History in school, or Literature.
little schooner
uggh im doing history right now and I dread it
its a long class 2 hours 20 minutes
and the professor doesn't even post the slides online
so if you miss class its basically a failed grade on test day
she'll grab points from the slides and you have to be in class to see them
or you wont nkow the answer
autumn estuary
That's really crappy. Is this teacher older?
unreal wedge
Kinda spammy in here.
subtle glen
She found the hot spot
tawdry dome
my cat bit my ethernet cable once
clear igloo
Be careful! She'll steal all your dataz for the glory of the kitteh empire!
subtle glen
She connects the tail into an ethernet port and steal data
Well, better than a mains cable @tawdry dome
tawdry dome
true
subtle glen
Oh no, another one appeared
tawdry dome
cats will rule the world one day
subtle glen
Lol, I threat mines well so I guess no punishment for me when that will happen
tawdry dome
wait what
subtle glen
If cats will rule the world I'm safe
gritty owl
@subtle glen I have a new Edgeswitch 24-250W
Currently have to find time to make new wires to clean up the ethernet cables
Nice cats though
gritty owl
Yeah, I have rails for the cisco router. I mentioned it last time.
I got it used, $160
subtle glen
also for the edgeswitch, don't trust those front ears
gritty owl
If it were the 48 port, I'd agree, but it's not quite that heavy
gritty owl
Cisco switch, cisco router, juniper router, edgerouter 4, and edgeswitch
subtle glen
we got some multibrand lab here
gritty owl
haha, time to break a lot of things
clear igloo
Break everything!
subtle glen
hell yeah
gritty owl
Yeah, my mom was not amused when I killed the internet to install it
subtle glen
what if you connect all those routers together and want to open a port
subtle glen
i tried it with 2 routers and i dont think it works
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@clear igloo you break stuff lol
subtle glen
i mean i thought it was easy: Open port (in this case 25565) on the isp router with traffic directed to the edgerouter and then open the port on the edgerouter with the traffic directed to my pc
clear igloo
I break all the things every day @rocky badge
rocky badge
double NAT
gritty owl
breaking things sounds fun. lol
subtle glen
even 400 gbps switches? @clear igloo
clear igloo
Well considering they aren't production yet, no
rocky badge
Nah, he hasn't touched them yet
gritty owl
Just give linus enough time, I'm sure he'll drop one of those 400Gb switches
subtle glen
he just updated to 10 gbps and cisco will release a 400 gbps switch
rocky badge
@clear igloo Just break some 4800 APs
clear igloo
That's in a few weeks @rocky badge
rocky badge
Yeet
clear igloo
They arrive on the 16th or so 😃
rocky badge
UniFi SDN UI looks shit now https://linusdrop.tips/729cf7f0
subtle glen
"hi i am a random person that would like a 400gbps switch for free"
what could go wrong
rocky badge
denied
subtle glen
gritty owl
@clear igloo Cisco WS-4948-10GB-E and Cisco 2921
clear igloo
Nice
gritty owl
But wow, what did they do to UniFi. haha
clear igloo
2921 is solid 😃
rocky badge
They killed their user's eyes
subtle glen
linus' old router
clear igloo
He had a 2851 I think
subtle glen
from the pic it looks the same?
rocky badge
I want to see a network update video
gritty owl
I hope to get two more 4948 switches though
subtle glen
me too
rocky badge
Since they added PfSense and ditched the 2 ERs
subtle glen
also that gaming lan center
clear igloo
Are those the 2x10Gb switches or 4 port versions?
gritty owl
Yeah, they sure are behind on networking content
2 x 10Gb
I was originally going to get 3750 switches, but ah, these were cheaper
subtle glen
@clear igloo i think you are right
clear igloo
Yah, solid switches. We've got hundreds of them in infrastructure
My part of the lab is different though 😛
gritty owl
haha, yeah, I can't quite bring myself to buy 100Mb/s equipment, even if I know it's cheaper
gritty owl
but yeah, that pfsense should be good. haha
subtle glen
someone that doesn't like 100 mbps
i hate seeing that orange light on the switch that tells me it is only 100 mbps
clear igloo
I've got a few 100Mbps things
subtle glen
tv and old cisco stuff?
clear igloo
Temp sensors, cameras, and some PoE stuff
rocky badge
When your server is offline oof https://linusdrop.tips/01fa78eb
subtle glen
i was looking for a security camera with sfp+
subtle glen
why not
rocky badge
No PoE
subtle glen
8K footage
rocky badge
8K for security is too much lmao
subtle glen
it is never too much
rocky badge
I mean, at school we have 1080p and it's fine lol
gritty owl
haha, just tape a Red camera to a pole
gritty owl
Throw a plastic bag over it, good enough. muhaha
rocky badge
Even at school with 1080p it needs like.....20TB for a week's worth
subtle glen
like my aunt used to do with xmas lights powerbars
gritty owl
Dang, that's a lot of data
subtle glen
then one ripped , water came in and we couldn't figure out why the breaker would trip
is virtualizing something like FreeNas/pfsense a good idea?
gritty owl
I think freenas is okay as long as you passthrough an HBA to it
I've heard it's possible to virtualize pfsense too
subtle glen
duh i can't even boot from USB with virtual box
rocky badge
PfSense can be virtualized yea
rocky badge
I've done it before, tons of people do it
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ESXi
gritty owl
I'm about to take the plunge and install exsi on my server so I can have windows server and Ubuntu running
rocky badge
type one hypervisor > type two
rocky badge
Hyper-V always sucks 😛
gritty owl
Haha, I tried to believe in Microsoft
subtle glen
i am trying to virtualize pfsense/FreeNas with VirtualBox on ubuntu
rocky badge
VBox
gritty owl
Ah, I would use a esxi, type 1 is recommended for those two
rocky badge
You're not going to go far with VBox
subtle glen
well, was trying to make the VM, deleted it but apparently there is still a folder somewhere
gritty owl
Yeah, I tried VBox and yeah, I promptly uninstalled it
and tried VMware stuff and was like wow, this stuff is amazing
rocky badge
I use VMware ESXi and Workstation 15
gritty owl
I hope to just start with esxi first
and see what I break. lol
I need to buy some SSDs for VMs as well
rocky badge
blade server
virtualizing with VBox
clear igloo
^
gritty owl
lol
subtle glen
VirTUaL bOX iS THe BEsT
chrome hound
is that kind of like sh!t vendors say?
rocky badge
Yes
subtle glen
Sh!t manufacture says
chrome hound
ok jsut checking
subtle glen
@chrome hound shopping on that fs.com thing is harder than i thought. Too many choices between fiber cables xD
rocky badge
"Feature rich and high performance" my ass
chrome hound
lol yes they have a crap tone of stuff
subtle glen
i just need a monomode/or multimode 100 m fiber cable
chrome hound
I do think proxmox is better than VB
subtle glen
maybe pre terminated if the connector is small
gritty owl
@subtle glen You better make sure you buy the right fiber. haha.
subtle glen
dude there are so many types and connectors
gritty owl
Yeah, I had fun figuring out which type the verizon fiber ONT uses
still waiting for the weather to cool down before hopping in the attic again
subtle glen
pfff
gritty owl
haha, I will drag that outdoor ONT inside soon enough
subtle glen
They started in August and there are still empty trenches
rocky badge
would post a picture about hypervisors but it's a meme
subtle glen
lets see how good this esxi is
gritty owl
Yeah, I'm planning on testing Esxi on separate SSDs first just in case I break something and need to go back to windows server
lol, you should run your own fiber in the trenches
clear igloo
@gritty owl why not use an SD card?
subtle glen
lets wait for the darkness
@clear igloo planning on installing mine on a 2,5 60GB hdd with bad sectors
gritty owl
I still can't believe we lost our internet for two days because someone at the Verizon fiber hub broke the patch cable for our house...
subtle glen
HAHA
gritty owl
@clear igloo I can't bring myself to trust USB / SD cards. haha, I'd rather just get a cheap 120GB SSD used
clear igloo
Fair enough 😃
subtle glen
i'd really like a 2nd fiber line (when at least one will work) . Just gotta find a job that pays me 20 euros a month
gritty owl
Yeah. verizon guy came over and was like yeah, one of my co-workers broke the fiber cable patch cable for our house.
Apparently in our block we're the only ones with Verizon fiber still.
Everyone else has charter spectrum
subtle glen
now i understand why you want the ONT inside
gritty owl
Ah, I just want the ONT inside so I can have more things on my rack
subtle glen
did you got rails for the ont
gritty owl
but really it's because they put an indoor ONT in a plastic box outside
And it gets roasting hot in the summer. I feel bad for it
Nah, no rails for ONT. lol
subtle glen
put a fan at the bottom
gritty owl
haha, I'm sure it'll be fine once it's inside with AC
subtle glen
also you can connect it to the ups
subtle glen
i heard that some ONT's have an integrated UPS
gritty owl
The original one we had, did
but the new one they installed
they removed it
and it doesn't have a backup
gritty owl
Haha, yeah.
But yeah, when we originally got Verizon, we had a BPON ONT
But making the jump to 150/150, they changed to a GPON ONT
subtle glen
passive fiber FTW
gritty owl
Yep
subtle glen
there is only one possible failure point at the POP, but that has batteries and generators...
gritty owl
Though one thing I don't understand is that supposedly Charter is fiber in our area
But their speeds are 200/20 still
at least the sales person was trying to get me to switch but I was like that upload is too low man
gritty owl
Yeah, the sales person tries their best to only mention the 200Mb/s number
I had to keep pressing to find the upload
lol
subtle glen
when i look online for offers (not that i have that much choice) i cant find the upload speed
gritty owl
Yep
I have to keep explaining to my parents
that two numbers exist
not just the big download
subtle glen
lol good luck. It's like telling your parents online games C A N'T be paused *when dinner is ready
gritty owl
Haha, they leave the ISP decisions to me since I'm the one who has to manage the install
subtle glen
limit their bandwith
chrome hound
active fiber or go home
subtle glen
😔
chrome hound
@subtle glen for the most part if your are going MM go OM3
subtle glen
is it easy to terminate
chrome hound
no you will want FS to terminate it
but if you wait for you ONT you can match up the ONT port, most likely will be SC
so FS can LC one end and SC the other
but I though you were running converters? no?
gritty owl
Yeah, terminating fiber is no joke
chrome hound
copper to fiber <> fiber to copper
subtle glen
the ont is this one (or this one+ a media converter)
chrome hound
yea that looks like SC
chrome hound
most ONTs are using SC to stop people from doing things
subtle glen
lol
gritty owl
haha, yeah
There were quite a few people getting the free cable hookup years ago in my neighborhood
chrome hound
well as long as you are doing BiDi optics a single fiber will work just fine
Have you asked your provider if they offer an ONT with a SPF port instead of copper?
subtle glen
i tried to ask them if they will install the ONT only or the ONT+media converter and they didn't even answered to that
i think in some cases there is just the ONT and then a SC to sfp connector that goes into the router
chrome hound
most the ONT are the media convert
they will have like 4 1g ports and in some cases a couple of POT terminals
subtle glen
chrome hound
but if you are talking to the fiber conduit crew, they probably have no clue what hard ware goes at the end of the fiber, they just have there test devices
subtle glen
some have this setup, some the one i sent above
maybe the equipment they install vary from ISP to another
chrome hound
that first box is probably pealing off the right bandwitdth
subtle glen
there is nothing in it
chrome hound
right its passive
subtle glen
chrome hound
its a filter to bring your wave leanght in
not the first image, your second one
I guess it could just be a terminator too
not sure why is is in its own box
chrome hound
maybe, but a filter can be really small too so idk
subtle glen
there is also another box on my floor where the house will be terminated to the backbone cable in the building but that is empty too
chrome hound
well passive fiber doesn't have any electronics, just filters and light splitters
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you did say GPOND right?
subtle glen
u dont
chrome hound
no you don't
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It's for ma vpn
rocky badge
Get a free license
subtle glen
or a premium key from some "legit" sites like softonic
chrome hound
Yea @subtle glen the fiber you are getting is GPON right?
subtle glen
yes
chrome hound
so yea those boxes won't have any electronics until it gets to your ONT
what you are seeing in the hall way is most likely just a hand hold to access the fiber and attach new connections in
subtle glen
also those things in the street have just a patch panel (?)
chrome hound
yep
subtle glen
this is the one on the floor with 2 fiber cables inside (the orange one is the one that goes to the home and the white the backbone)
chrome hound
yep it splits off a wave length from the rest and directs it to your ONT
subtle glen
nah, the main cable has a cut and they pulled out 2 wires. i think the split will be in that street cabinet
chrome hound
well the splitting can happen any where its can travel a ways, but the idea behind GPON is you can splice in a number of conenctions every so many feet
subtle glen
don't know it it is clear enough to see
chrome hound
yep, what is cool about GPON is the same fiber can carry multi connections, I am not sure where the limits are, but since your using wave lengths, there is a limit
subtle glen
well, since the cabinet will have a cable for each home, i guess that's the split point. From there to the homes it is already divided
chrome hound
yep
subtle glen
anyways, so what fiber were you recommending ?
chrome hound
well it will depend on what you end of getting
subtle glen
for the garage to home thing
chrome hound
if you end up converting Copper to fiber, OM3 with BiDi optics, but if you can talk to some one who knows, you might could get a Fiber hand off instead of Copper
I mean you will most likely end up with OM3 still, but cutting out one Copper to fiber converter
with the right connection and a SFP port
subtle glen
isnt better with the media converter? so that i can use my own router?
chrome hound
have they told you what hardware tehy are giving you? most cases you still need your own router unless they are doing something speachial
subtle glen
nope
chrome hound
yea you need more details to make a solid choice
subtle glen
but i mean, for a private point to point fiber line, what would you use?
chrome hound
wait lets back up, waht is the goal? are you moving the connection to a better place in your house or are you just attaching a PC some where else into your private net work?
subtle glen
I need a faster connection in the garage and the only wire i can run is a fiber one. The first 10 meters of this conduit has a really tight space so i am 99% sure a pre-terminated cable wont pass. i was thinking about using something like this as fiber cable
and something like this as a connector (the diameter might be wrong, it's just an example)
chrome hound
ok so this guy has a good chance of fitting that LC simplex connector is really small
but then your Copper to Fiber convert needs to be LC
subtle glen
Uuuu and there is also custom lenght
chrome hound
yep
you pick the connectors as well there is a really small one, but you would need a converter patch to make it work
clear igloo
Bad guy TP-Link
"Makes 600Mbps powerline kit with 100Mbps ethernet port", lol
subtle glen
LOL
@chrome hound what about this
I see thant in some setups you don't need a tx rx cable, but just one
chrome hound
yea that would work
subtle glen
They are expensive as frick
chrome hound
BiDi optics use the same fiber for both TX and RX
but you would need the BiDi ones to make a single fiber work
chrome hound
that star tec looks like its jsut an SFP cage so you could change out the optic and put in a BiDi from FS.com
subtle glen
No wait, using 2pc is just stupid
chrome hound
well do you have a switch with a SFP on it? might be a good way to get a cheaper options
you could put a SFP card in the PC and go direct to a switch with a SFP
subtle glen
I have a cisco one that supports sfp modules, and I would need a small one on the other end
There are a couple of things that needs internet, not just a pc
chrome hound
so you can cut the converters out all together
oh well in that case a switch on both sides?
clear igloo
Pick up a L2 switch like this:
https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Gigabit-Lifetime-Protection-GS110TPv2/dp/B00LW9A328
chrome hound
humm I am not seeing any MM BiDi on FS, I am sure they have em
I wonder if MM doesn't work in BiDi setups
clear igloo
or this if you only have 4 things that need internet
https://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-Switching-Capacity-Protection-TEG-S51SFP/dp/B019IHWSF0/
chrome hound
two of those would be better than a copper converter
subtle glen
@clear igloo the last one is a normal switch, right? I can technically connect another 8 port gbit one
@chrome hound they are also cheaper. Even tho there is also the sfp converter to buy
chrome hound
you may have to switch the fiber to SM
chrome hound
SFP is just a electronic connection
LC is the size and shape of the fiber plug
at the end of the day the fiber is the same once you get past the plug
well mostly the same with respects to OM3 and bend ablities
the key is not misxing MM with SM it has to be all the same kind of MM or SM
clear igloo
How much space do you have to work with in the conduit?
chrome hound
he has pics of it, its pretty small
I mean cat 5/6 would fit, but it has power running in it so it wouldn't be good
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Needs moar net outbound
clear igloo
If a copper cable would fit then an OM3 LC/LC fiber should fit
chrome hound
I was thinking the dual head might not make it through
subtle glen
Nope
chrome hound
you got the pics of the pipe?
clear igloo
Could still run an LC/LC cable, just split it in half and run both halves taped with the head behind the other so it will fit?
subtle glen
Yeah wait
chrome hound
ohh I didn't think of that
how far back would you have to seperate it so your not breaking the fiber
I guess OM3 is really ben insenstive so it could work
clear igloo
You could split it all the way or maybe a couple feet if parting the whole cable isn't ideal
chrome hound
I guess he could just as easly order two single LC cables and just make sure he plugs the LC in the right ports
clear igloo
Yah, just have to flip one side 😃
subtle glen
There are also some random conduit with only a grounding cable in it, but in general the conduit is just too small
It was like what, 16mm?
clear igloo
Yah, you could fit a dual strand fiber though that, just kind of tape one side like this behind the other:
subtle glen
This conduit goes into a junction box in the floor when the ground separates. I could drill a hole in the wall and get into the junction box where the conduit is similar but it only has 2 wires instead of 3
That actually sounds like a really good plan
clear igloo
Just don't bend the fiber part itself too much and you'll be fine. I break cables apart all the time to test UDLD and other things
subtle glen
Is that LC
clear igloo
Yah
subtle glen
The hole in the junction box might work. There would be more space for the fiber
Not sure if you understand what I mean
clear igloo
I think I have an idea of what you mean
subtle glen
I can draw it/take pics in a bit
what a masterpiece
instead of using the breaker conduit with 3 cables inside, i bypass that by drilling a hole directly into the junction box so that i can use my conduit with only 2 cables cause the ground separates
gritty owl
As an electrician, feeding in fiber into a conduit with live electrical wires would get you a red tag here...haha.
subtle glen
isp's do it too
clear igloo
It's only a metal fishing rod, what could go wrong 😛
clear igloo
Yah, if you use metal to fish the wire through you'll probably end up with a Darwin Award
gritty owl
Yeah, if you do it, please use plastic. lol
gritty owl
Wow, that sucks
subtle glen
OI
there it is. I think there are metal ones for more heavy duty jobs
@gritty owl so you are an electrician?
gritty owl
Haha, my dad is a general contractor
but I do know electrical work really well
I prefer to do electrical vs plumbing and HVAC
subtle glen
Do you get mad if i tell you that i tested the breaker by taking a stipped wire and shorted the live and ground?
oh and neutral/ground as well
subtle glen
yeah, fuck those things
gritty owl
Yeah, or use those
subtle glen
that button is for p***ies
gritty owl
It's the same thing
subtle glen
that lowers the resistance between live and ground
gritty owl
Just one doesn't give you the sparks
subtle glen
details
wait, let me sneak outside and take some pictures of that juncion box
it might actually slide in there, maybe with the help of some oil
gritty owl
dang ,that is very tight
subtle glen
it seems bigger in person. I'll measure the diameter tomorrow. Or i could (maybe) use the main grounding cable conduit that seems to have plenty of space
fresh copper
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Lol
subtle glen
N O
clear igloo
yews guizes needs halp?
fresh copper
I always need help, but sometimes I have question that I don’t think anyone here could solve
each Mikrotik upgrade is like you are attacking your own router
Ouch
From AMPRnet mailing list
chrome hound
that is because Mikrotiks are such awesome routers 😛
fresh copper
Lol, I actually manage two Mikrotiks for work. They are really funny machines.
finite crypt
Anyone here ever work on their own networking stack on top of the IP protocol? (As in alternatives to TCP or UDP)
thick minnow
the moment he stops feedback 😦 RIP
fresh copper
I find that they work ok. I only deal with specific parts of the configuration though. The people who actually own the routers do (or hire someone to do) the security and updates so I don’t know what that’s like.
My favorite interface on one of them
rigid slate
can i plug a sc fiber from gpon ost to router with sfp?
chrome hound
I don't think so because SFP is for active
but I could be wrong
I man is the ONT had SFP out then you could
rigid slate
cuz i want bypass the gpon ont
chrome hound
not sure you can get that to work, if you found out exactly what waves lengths you were assigned, then you have to be able to stay in time with the system to transmit
fresh copper
@rigid slate Technically there are GPON SPFs. Some ISPs even use them. The issue is that whatever is on your side of the GPON has to be registered with whatever is on the other side. I have not heard of any ISPs allowing you to use whatever random thing you have yet but maybe some day. Luckily, an ONT usually is not a router so you can usually just plug your own router in and have it be as good as if you didn’t have the ont at all.
As I said, some ISPs do have SFP converters, usually they just plug it in to their own router but if they do that you could just plug it in to your own router and it would work fine. You might as well call up and ask if they do SFP connections, it can’t hurt to ask.
rough zenith
Between a laptop wifi, and using a seperate wifi dongle with antenna, which one would give better connectivity?
half valley
Depends...are they all new? Example: As in made within a year (2017)?
Wifi dongle...like the USB kind?
rough zenith
Its an acer laptop, E14
And I might buy a usb wifi dongle with antenna
half valley
Your laptop has the recent wifi network model (802.11 ac) should be fine
rough zenith
Okay
half valley
E 14 E5-473G-56XS, yea?
rough zenith
E5 491G 78f8 @half valley
jolly grotto
Why do rm networks suck
rigid slate
it is possable to use 2 wifi nic as lacp?
clear igloo
Not that I know of, no
fresh copper
Wifi can’t do any kind of active multiplexing such as LACP by default
I guess you could theoretically write custom firmware but no one has done that so far so it must not be easy/a good idea
There are other reasons why this will probably never happen
zenith ridge
isn't LACP configured from both client and switch/router/in this case AP?
So you would have to have access to the AP to set up LACP and always connect with both wifi nics to the same AP
looks way to complicated
you would also slow down other devices right? because the AP would connect to each client 1 by 1, and you would create 2 'clients' with lacp
fresh copper
LACP is an ethernet technology and is not currently supported over wifi. If you try to LACP wifi interfaces on either your client or an access point it will usually complain that LACP is not compatible with wifi.
You could theoretically do a few things to try and get it to work but it’s not easy and still probably won’t work
Also, when using LACP you always have to control each side because LACP requires both sides to be configured properly, there is no such thing as any sort of auto LACP
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@clear igloo @chrome hound @subtle glen Well....school left iDRAC 7 as the default password
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chrome hound
opppps
chrome hound
vlan the idracs out of access 😄
subtle glen
🤔
also, i might be able to get a 48- ish rack and a small one for free.
How many U's do those big racks have?
chrome hound
48
subtle glen
i get confused between 45 and 48
chrome hound
I have seen 24 to 60 so it depends on the application
chrome hound
define custom 😄
subtle glen
sounds legit
chrome hound
we have some wall hangers that have 4 u, but I wouldn't call em a rack
about enough space to hold 2 switches vertically
chrome hound
looks about right 😄
clear igloo
Yup, looks like 12 to me
subtle glen
a 1u piece of equipment covers 3 screw holes so yea
chrome hound
yea
rigid slate
are there any monitoring tool like edgerouter dpi for pfsense
little schooner
There might be a package in the PFsense package store that may give those abilities
i think its called snort
fresh copper
Ntop is quite popular
On pf, you can set firewall rules to “log” mode and then there is a graphical section of the firewall log that shows some similar things. Ntop is way better for what you want though
subtle glen
I might actually try it as well
rigid slate
any recommend 24 port smart switch no poe?
fresh copper
I have the Netgear GS724Tv4 but that's just because I got a good deal on buying it from someone else with an ERX. It's a good switch though. Probably go on r/hardwareswap and it's sister regional subs if you can, you can often find people with good deals on there.
gritty owl
@subtle glen Wow, nice upgrade
that thing looks huge
It looks 42U to me (Depends on how tall the door is)
subtle glen
Unfortunately a friend wants/needs it cause he is expanding the office and his rack is full
I am getting the other one, the 12 u with some pdu's/switches/patch panel and i'll come back another day to take some cables so that I can wire up the house
gritty owl
Ah, I see. Well, at least you're getting 12U. haha
subtle glen
Yeah, better than the ikea table.. and also at that office I found the missing rack support for my switch
Also where do you get those extra short patch panels cables? Are they custom made or you can buy them? The one I am using are too long
gritty owl
@subtle glen You can buy 6" patch cables from fs.com
That or make them like I am because I want custom length / for the cables to go off to the side
fresh copper
Get a rj45/8p8c crimper, some of the rj45 ends, and a like 30ft of cat5e
I make all of my cables the exact length I need these days. It’s often cheeper too
autumn estuary
That moment when your upload speed is garbage, brought to you by Cox Communications
100/10
little schooner
@autumn estuary comcast here is like 1gbps down and 20 mbps up
Yes it truly is broken system
half valley
But do they offer it equally everywhere
rigid slate
do pfsense had vpn?
high anchor
Yes, pfsense have OpenVPN, L2TP and PPTP. Both client and server.
high warren
I find this a little odd and I wonder if anyone have any experience with this. I got a few questions if you don't mind. I know a constant, When using Comcast Business directly IE: Being plugged into their router without connected to anything else, I can get full speeds. AND, when I tried to use PFSense, I also got full speeds. I can not get PFSense to work because our phone system has a stupid protocol and we have to use the provided SimpleWAN. AKA never use SAAS.
- Have anyone used a SimpleWAN to route their traffic, it's provided by my VoIP company, they wanted us to use it.
- Have anyone heard of getting slow speed test results when using ISP -> Router | I have Comcast Business Internet 300 Mbps down, 25 Mbps up. My connection is ISP -> SimpleWAN -> SW -> Computer. When I have traffic prioritization disable, I can get 228.54 Mbps Down and 30.22 Up, but when I enable traffic prioritization (WAN interface is limited to 80% of the last speed test.) on Moderate, I get 134.90 Mbps down and 21.87 Mbps up. When I set the SimpleWAN's Traffic Prioritzation to Aggressive (60%), I get 71.24 Mbps Down and 16.42 Mbps up.
little schooner
@high warren well, it could be that your SimpleWAN router, when doing traffic prioritization, is using CPU time to perform it vs. Dedicated chip hardware design for this operation specifically for max performance.
The CPU is probably too slow to have traffic prioritization on and get full line speeds
high warren
I didn't even think about the CPU on the SimpleWAN. That would make since. It would also explain why you get slower speeds when you are not running traffic prioritization simply because the CPU isn't powerful enough.
zenith ridge
just a question.
UPS isn't made to power a server for like 10min really, and cost a lot, decent UPS would be around 1-2k new?
But actually a tesla powerwall for example, would cost 7k
It is more yes, but it would possible bridge over an hour
then wouldn't it be better to get something like that installed (and we have solar pannels at home)
gritty owl
Yeah, there are larger UPS systems available, some even costing more than some houses.
But UPS rack mount systems are kind of more costly because they have to be rackmountable and usually hot swappable.
A 1-2k ups can last pretty long, mostly depends on your usage / how many battery packs
zenith ridge
feels a bit to much for what it is though, almost feels like a powerwall would be more usefull
for a home
it will give you UPS like features, and for the house
clear igloo
Does the powerwall switchover as fast as a UPS, does it do power smoothing, surge protection, etc?
zenith ridge
no clue how it actually works, but I assume it would be switch as fast as an UPS, because it would be anoying if the whole house shuts down for a second
clear igloo
That's how a lot of the whole home UPS systems are, they take a minute or two to switch over
zenith ridge
then why would anyone use it
clear igloo
Because it's not to keep your stuff online without a blip it's to get your fridge and other critical appliances online
"The switchover time and UPS functionality are reliant on the DC to AC inverter. The inverters that are currently Tesla Powerwall compatible do not support UPS functionality. The inverters currently have switchover time in the seconds. In the future as our inverter partners develop UPS functionality, Tesla will notify its channel partners."
clear igloo
Yah
zenith ridge
In belgium the goverment is stupid, so we have a chance that power will be cut for 2 hours every day this winter
I don't like that with my server
parity check takes more then a day
subtle glen
you mean why does it take few seconds for a generator to turn on?
clear igloo
Yah, I've got my systems setup via SNMP so when the power goes out it notifies everything, especially the NAS, and it shuts down after a minute of no power
subtle glen
Even server rooms have shelfs of batteries to power equipment just for a couple of minutes so that the diesel/gas/whatever generators can start
@fresh copper i actually have all the tools i need to make custom cables, i'll probably stick with that. Or i could move the switch down so that it is more far away from the patch panel
clear igloo
lol
subtle glen
i actually have to unscrew the breaker behind it and put it higher cause the rack sticks too much out and the door only opens half the way
whoops
little schooner
I make my cables like 2-5 feet longer in case
If tip gets removed or damaged, that extra feet can be remade to a new one
subtle glen
i wonder how would i manage to fit the 48 U one in there
clear igloo
If I only had a couple things to patch I would make my own but when you have 30 to 40 things to patch, it wears out your hands quick
subtle glen
hehehe
also, why the heck is the cisco switch so hard to slide in the rack. It seems like it needs some extra millimeters
maybe i just have to push more
little schooner
Keep pushing
clear igloo
Might need to loosen the screws of whatever is below it
to allow it to shift down just a tad to fit
subtle glen
i also have to move the rails cause the plugs/fans etc cannot be connected
that switch is massive compared to the pro curve
clear igloo
4TB of data moved, 2TB left to go 😃
subtle glen
to the inerwebz or local?
clear igloo
local
Moving everything off my NAS so I can rebuild it in RAID 6 instead of 5
with 10TB drives too. It just sucks that I have to move it all onto a single drive, which means transfer speeds are only about 150MB/s
subtle glen
in how much time did you moved the 2TB?
clear igloo
Another 4 hours to go give or take
subtle glen
are those machines 10g?
clear igloo
Yes but the issue is I'm using a single 10TB drive to hold everything so it's limited to the speed of that one drive
clear igloo
Only works for multiple movements of the same file
Plus I'm not buying 10TB worth of SSDs 😛 just to make the transfer faster a couple times
subtle glen
wait, 10TB of ssd for cache?
oh right, in this case it would be a 10TB cache, i got it
clear igloo
Yah, if I wanted to cache everything or just move it at SSD speeds
subtle glen
i was already thinking about linus' 1petabyte ssd cache
clear igloo
lol
subtle glen
i also saw something about a sponsorship with cisco on the ltt instagram. I don't remember how old that post was
clear igloo
Yup, should be out this week
subtle glen
OH SHET
clear igloo
It's pretty boring, minimal showing of any gear imo
subtle glen
i knew it, i knew they would have made something with cisco
lol it's boring for you. You see tons of this stuff everyday
fresh copper
I wonder if I have a picture of my custom cable management
subtle glen
take a new one
fresh copper
This is the best I have. I can’t get a new one because I am at work. Also my good stuff is in a DC. I’ll ask HE if they can take a photo
subtle glen
poor cables
subtle glen
Yo Blue
clear igloo
who you?
hallow nimbus
For free
subtle glen
me neither
clear igloo
1.5TB left 😃
subtle glen
🙃
hallow nimbus
What ur doing lurick ?
fresh copper
Ok, just asked for a picture of my rack. I’ll let you know if they take one for me
And yea. That was my first try at cables. One has failed and only does 10/100 now.
clear igloo
GAH! Stupid power flicker!
@hallow nimbus Migrating all the data off my NAS to rebuild it
hallow nimbus
oh
clear igloo
A drive is going bad, it's in RAID 5, and I'm worried a rebuild will kill another drive so I'm swapping all the drives out with new ones
fresh copper
Lol all the cables in this rack are so messy. Mine is the Xserve and the switch above it. My nice gray cables are the only cables that are properly cable managed in the entire rack
Here is the mess of cables the guy that owns the rack made
clear igloo
not pretty but not a complete spaghetti mess
clear igloo
@hallow nimbus New drives just arrived 😄
clear igloo
7x10TB
zenith ridge
sweet lord, give me
little schooner
@clear igloo dont they recommend a common maintenance time to replace all the drives anyway? Like dont use same enterprise drives for more than 5 years
And replace them all if they are on that long
clear igloo
Yah, I've had these drives running without issue 24/7 for probably 5-ish years now
clear igloo
Since one is giving me errors I'm swapping them all out to be safe and redoing the RAID as well, just a long process to move it all off 😃
clear igloo
That's the plan, Raid 6
I was debating 6 or 10 but QNAP won't let you add more drives and expand the RAID 10 which is stupid so I'm just going with 6 since I know you can add drives and expand
little schooner
Makes sense
clear igloo
I do like the write gains from RAID 10 but oh well
fresh copper
Next time I go down to California I’ll stop by the DC and fix up the cables for him
subtle glen
hey hey what's wrong with spaghetti
How my school labs manage cables. In some labs you can still find 10/100 mbps HUB's
fresh copper
I think that’s the same switch as mine
Hub are always the best. Then everyone can easily see all the packets
dim cairn
Quick question if I plug two computer directly into each other without using a router or switch will I be able to access files between them?
clear igloo
So long as they have Auto-MDIX (which anything from the last 10+ years should) then yah. You might need to set a manual IP address and adjust the firewall settings though, otherwise no issues
dim cairn
Okay thanks
subtle glen
@fresh copper because who cares about security
charred adder
Our lab network at our school is actually pretty neat
fresh copper
Allowing an internal server with sensitive data out to "any" is a serious mistake and so basic that I would fire that contractor immediately
charred adder
@jolly grotto than which server cabinets?
jolly grotto
like the main ones for the school
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Is that an optiplex in a lab....reeeee
charred adder
yes, and i put it there 😛
charred adder
our teachers ran around with a usb stick installing custom windows images on all the lab pc's..
so they donated that optiplex for me to set up a PXE deployment server on
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Here's one or the racks at my old school, I'm still in the same district
jolly grotto
my school they dont even screw the stuff in
they put like 2 screws in teh top and let it dangle
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@charred adder good, they're using PXE booting, what are they using? WDS + ADK?
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They have R720s
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2x 1100W
8x 16GB
2x E5-2620 (6c/12t)
iDRAC 7 express
900GB 10K 2.5 SAS Seagate
https://linusdrop.tips/51054c8e
We run ESXi on the hardware then virtualize everything else
jolly grotto
zenith ridge
why do they always have that overkill PSU
jolly grotto
we didn't care that much about ours 
zenith ridge
1100 watt
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That's not the UPS, that's the PSU
zenith ridge
sst
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The UPS is shittt tho
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It can't keep a rack up for 10+ minutes
which isn't enough time
But their security is top notch /s
zenith ridge
perfect
subtle glen
cisco switches takes forever to start
clear igloo
You don't know long until you turbo boot an ASR9K 😛
hallow nimbus
Lol
clear igloo
It doesn't mean it goes faster either
hallow nimbus
I am booting a Dell poweredge 860
subtle glen
Do you even overclock switches
subtle glen
20/10 shut up
hallow nimbus
😄
Its still booting into windows
XD
Press CTRL + ALT + DELETE to log on Server was complaining earlier that it didnt find a keyboard
subtle glen
ps2 keyboards ftw
hallow nimbus
Yes gonna hook that kind up 😄
subtle glen
Pc bios dont like fancy usb
subtle glen
they are both computers
little schooner
Does anyone use an intel x540 network card?
Do you know if it works on server 2016
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Intel® Ethernet Converged Network Adapter X540-T1 Intel® Ethernet Converged Network Adapter X540-T2 Intel® Ethernet Server Bypass Adapter X540-T2 Intel® Ethernet Controller X540-AT2 Intel® Ethernet Controller X540-BT2
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Np
little schooner
Now they have to publish 2019 version driver next
Really hoping that it is also supported in 2019
rocky badge
2016 drivers should work in 2019
It's the same kernel as 2016 and such, don't see why it shouldn't
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😄
little schooner
I am really going to consider using non-gui version this time
So I cant wait to get my hands on the build and start powershelling through it
For each new 2019 instance
But the stable build not the preview
I will wait for ms to release it
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powershell is bae
short relic
powershell is a nightmare
little schooner
It's gotten to the point now where it's easier to use
short relic
ill never be comfortable with Windows CL
rocky badge
New-ADUser -Name "username" -CannotChangePassword "true"
plus, for AD it's super handy
short relic
the powershell application itself is what irks me, its super buggy whenever I ssh into my linux machines
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That's because the OpenSSH on Windows is shit
short relic
hmm
little schooner
.net is slow, and makes powershell slower than it had to be
Isnt the solution to that is just load modules you actually need
And then import after starting the session
So it starts fast? Or do I have that wrong?
civic shadow
Anybody know if there are any free courses on networking ?
vagrant heath
short relic
@civic shadow for the most part, just Google around. I may suggest looking at guides for like setting up a Linux or raspberry pi router, as those can contain a lot of information. If you're curious to learn about IP routing, there is a software called GNS3 (free?) That allows you to simulate computer networks
civic shadow
Thanks buddies
vestal lotus
Has anyone here had any problems with any of NETGEAR's routers?
zenith ridge
We had one at work that some days had many issues keeping connected with the internet, and then followed by a week or 2 without problems
But I also have no clue how old that thing was
zenith ridge
if the budget allows it, look into ubiquiti unifi line, a lot of fancy features for a really good price
No clue what it was, it's in the basement
vestal lotus
I got the NETGEAR Nighthawk(supposedly?) D7000v2. I wanted the higher end (at best, X4S) on Amazon with MU-MIMO, but I missed out on the low prices for the used model.
In the future, though, in the future.
Funny how the D7000v2 isn't considered a Nighthawk router by NETGEAR's Nighthawk app.
short relic
My parents Netgear router craps on them every other week. I'm so close to making them buy Google WiFi
unkempt lagoon
If my mobo would have 2 ethernet Ports, and I would plug them both in, would I have double the normal speed that I would have?
Please tagg me for answer
clear igloo
@unkempt lagoon No
little schooner
@short relic Is it in a corner or in a hot room?
did you give it space to breathe?
it shouldn't just stop working like that also its possible that the gateway is rebooting or something
short relic
It's in a corner on one side of the house, the wifi doesn't reach the back part of their house. My dad refused to put it in a central location lol @little schooner
halcyon grove
Not always, many rack mount switches are front facing, it depends on which way the fans blow
subtle glen
would you splice together 2 ethernet cables?
halcyon grove
Agreed, but most places use a patch panel and need to access it, so they put the patches on the front... There are tradeoffs to both
fresh copper
@ancient vigil Basically, I don’t have the rack mount brackets for the switch and the switch is really old so it has literally no airflow. Also I have my router mounted inside of one of the drive bays of the server because I originally thought I was only getting 1U and that caused issues. Also I thought it looked better. In the end it does not matter too much
fresh copper
Did anyone hear about the guy who bought a brand new sealed iPad and opened it up to find an iPad’s worth of clay
subtle glen
I have a 3560x
clear igloo
Do you have a 2600 router 😛
subtle glen
An 800 one, hehe
clear igloo
Which ones?
subtle glen
I recognize the console and the aux port
The 2 eth ones
Do you config them as wan/lan?
subtle glen
You know what I mean when I say wan/lan 😁
clear igloo
One is a 100meg port and the other a 10meg port
subtle glen
Wow.
clear igloo
Those slots are for addon cards
subtle glen
Who needs fancy 10g routers
dense osprey
anyone know anything about a cisco 1921
dense osprey
Some labels on it, I don't understand
clear igloo
Shoot them my way, might be able to help
dense osprey
What goes into the AUX, GE and console RJ45 slots
clear igloo
Aux is for RJ-11 dial-in as a backup access, don't worry about it
Console is for terminal access, you'll need a console server or a RJ45 to DB9 to USB converter but they do have RJ45 to USB cables too that do all the conversion in one go
GE is for anything, they are gigabit ethernet ports that you connect anything over standard RJ45 into
dense osprey
so you need the console for it actually to work
clear igloo
Yah, to do the setup you need to console into it first
dense osprey
cause i only have the router, do i need to have the console running at all times
clear igloo
No, you'll want to setup SSH once you console into it and assign one of the GE ports an IP address so you can remotely access it that way. You can use the console port but it's easier to just setup SSH or Telnet and access it that way
gritty owl
Hmm, still have to learn SSH setup.
Though curious, can you patch panel console ports?
clear igloo
Yes, it's how we setup comm servers 😃
Use some octal cables to a patch panel and then patch in the console port
gritty owl
yeah, because ubiquiti put the console port on the rear for some reason and I have no way to easily access it.
That's good to know. haha.
I thought it should work, but just wanted to double check
clear igloo
Yah, life would be a nightmare without it 😃
dense osprey
How would I console into it
clear igloo
console cable to USB and then use putty to access the COM port on your computer
gritty owl
^
clear igloo
Something like this if you don't want to deal with adapters all the way
https://smile.amazon.com/Console-Essential-Accesory-Ubiquity-Switches/dp/B01AFNBC3K
gritty owl
I had to learn how to do this to figure out why my USG Pro-4 kept crashing. lol
Yay factory defect...
clear igloo
ouch
gritty owl
Yep, the USG Pro-4 had a batch of them where they would kernel panic because of the RAM stick used
There's one specific stick that would make it work...but eh, to buy new RAM just for it...I refunded and got the edgerouter 4 instead
clear igloo
Yah, sounds easier 😃
dense osprey
Ok cool
gritty owl
Yep, if it doesn't connect, you might need to go to device manager to find which com port your PC put the serial on
and need to get drivers as well
clear igloo
Yes, don't forget the drivers
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Gonna try and do IPv6 https://linusdrop.tips/DarkorchidElegantSlothbear
gritty owl
Oh, have fun
clear igloo
what are you doing vPC to?
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My EC2 instance
clear igloo
dual sided vPC?
dense osprey
nice website
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2600:1f18:265c:ebcb::/64 what's a valid Ipv6 in this cdir?
clear igloo
2600:1f18:265c:ebcb::1
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oh... 🤦
clear igloo
through 2600:1f18:265c:ebcb:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff
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0-9 and a-f?
clear igloo
yes
clear igloo
XD
dense osprey
I also have a Dell PowerEdge 2950 i think it needs a cooling repair cause it sounds like a jet engine when i turn it on
rocky badge
it rebooted and I hit up, excepting hostname -I
@dense osprey all servers sound like that when they're turning on
especially the PE2950
root@ip-172-31-92-201:~# hostname -I
172.31.92.201 2600:1f18:265c:ebcb:558d:30ed:975e:a1e8
Success!
dense osprey
even after the bios boots up
clear igloo
That's normal
dense osprey
how do i turn it down
gritty owl
lol
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root@ip-172-31-92-201:~# nano /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/*
root@ip-172-31-92-201:~# nginx -t
nginx: the configuration file /etc/nginx/nginx.conf syntax is ok
nginx: configuration file /etc/nginx/nginx.conf test is successful
root@ip-172-31-92-201:~# service nginx restart
woot!
chrome hound
try booting a NetApp, it should like your are landing a jet in your room 😄
clear igloo
lol, yes
chrome hound
for 10 minutes
gritty owl
surprised you guys aren't suffering from hearing loss. lol
chrome hound
who says we aren't?
clear igloo
What did you say?!?!!!
chrome hound
hold on a sec, some one took the cover off the p1000
clear igloo
I've got an R620 and it's damn quiet even on boot
chrome hound
lies
clear igloo
no lies, it's crazy magic
clear igloo
Like it's not silent but by comparison to a 2950 or something it's quiet
chrome hound
tbf the fans in a 2950 could float a hover craft
clear igloo
Delta fans FTW 😛
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Name: dw.ryois.me
Addresses: 2600:1f18:265c:ebcb:558d:30ed:975e:a1e8
52.5.149.66
woo
finally using IPv6 xd
chrome hound
so blob has turned to the dark ip I see
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lol
chrome hound
insert lukes dad joke here
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which is?
chrome hound
NOOOOOO thats not possible, your IP was v4!!!!!!
Luke, serach your DNS, you know it be true
dense osprey
he's just taking up as many adresses as possible
chrome hound
yea, typical public org 😛
clear igloo
I wish AT&T would give me a dang /60 already 😦
chrome hound
that was cloud flare you listed wasn't it?
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yes
chrome hound
so I think I have given up on 10gb throughput on my PfSense 😦
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oof
clear igloo
5Gbit?
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hopefully by the end of today I'll have IPv6 at home
clear igloo
I'll give you some fiber for IPv6 >.>
chrome hound
I am hoping LTT does some PsSense 10gb what worked for us videos 😄
clear igloo
Video: It didn't, we gave up
XD
chrome hound
lol
come on they have much great recourses than I do, hell I would sign up for floatplan
clear igloo
Would be nice if they did more summary of what worked vids on some of their projects
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@clear igloo Spectrum does IPv6, but my current modem doesn't
clear igloo
Yah, because consistency is hard 😛
little schooner
Does this mean my 10Gb card is working??
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yeet
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oh...oof
little schooner
Yeah like the whole point of it
Also virtualization features are gone
Like vmdq
And profiles
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Don't use 1809?
little schooner
Righto
xD
But
I think I'll deal with it for a little
Until intel can release patch
They will have it ready once Microsoft pushes iso again
rocky badge
Yea