you would think they would have that locked down
#networking
chrome hound
rocky badge
ikr
chrome hound
although you shifted speed test server, maybe the one is just over loaded?
rocky badge
Hmm I dunno
chrome hound
I guess if I had more of these I could get rid of the 16 port switch >> https://www.fs.com/products/14210.html
chrome hound
I get ya
rocky badge
It's over that, so I'm happy
clear igloo
@chrome hound needs more netapp 😛
subtle glen
@chrome hound you need a diesel generator aswell
chrome hound
these are all good points
subtle glen
the diesel generator?
chrome hound
yep
subtle glen
you could go with a temporary solution or permanent solution. You could install one of those round plugs outside where you will connect the generator ( the kind that has wheels to move it around), install a transfer switch breaker (i dont remember the name) or put an all in one generator that you bolt to the ground 😄
for round plug i mean this one
clear igloo
@chrome hound I was half right about the throughput. It's 25.6Tbps backplane, I forgot to double the 12.8Tbps to account for throughput being bi-directional x.x
hallow nimbus
😂 😂
wispy plover
@subtle glen twist lock is the term you're looking for.
thick minnow
@latent badger Hi, late reply here, i tried your command, and rebooted the router, and still wont work, this also proved that this the asus router issue instead of and os issue.
latent badger
My best idea is to burn everything and try again.
Or you'll have to try more trial and error
My idea had a low TTL, so it is expired by now 🙈
thick minnow
Yeah, strange enough.... only my asus router having this issue and the xiaomi router dont
Even factory reset wont work....until you plugged it off for a few days and it works
latent badger
I would just try to change the DNS of your PC to 1.1.1.1 or 8.8.8.8
thick minnow
Thats my config now
thick minnow
I am guessing the cdns redirected me to somewhere farfar away
subtle glen
@wispy plover I meant the transfer switch
wispy plover
Got that one right without trying, then!
thick minnow
PROBLEM
Doggo ate a 10Gig Eth cable
what do I do
chrome hound
shot dog
unreal wedge
Buy another one. They're cheap af.
fresh copper
10Gig base T or fiber? Base T is pretty cheep, fiber a bit more but even then it’s nothing compared to the NICs, switches, routers etc
unreal wedge
They said ethernet, so Cat6 or 7.
fresh copper
@unreal wedge Ethernet is not just twisted pair. Old Ethernet used to be over coax with newer versions having a fiber option like 1000Base-LX and 10GBase-SR.
Ethernet over twisted pair with 8P8C connectors and TIA/EIA-568 A or B wireing may be the most common but it’s not the only option. Fiber is definitely the more preferred option for 10G as well. There are significantly more 10GBase-SR SFP+ connections than 10GBase-T connections.
unreal wedge
But they said 10G Ethernet. I'm assuming it wasn't something special trying to be all difficult.
fresh copper
The most common form of 10G Ethernet is fiber though
unreal wedge
How is fibre Ethernet.
latent badger
How is fibre not ethernet?
fresh copper
It’s literally in the standard
1000Base-LX is literally an Ethernet standard but it uses fiber
1000Base-LX is in the 802.3z standard
sturdy mirage
hey kids, what cool things should I do with MTRJ fiber cables? 🤔🤔
fresh copper
It looks like you can get MTRJ SFP modules so you might want to look into that.
subtle glen
or.... you could give it to me as well as a catalyst's 3560-X 10g module 😀
They are not that expensive
fresh copper
I’ll take one too
sturdy mirage
I can give you cables if you pay shipping from France :3
subtle glen
this one?
subtle glen
btw that laser thing is really really small. How fast is that
sturdy mirage
subtle glen
that fiber thing is so tiny
subtle glen
why dont just go sfp or something like that
subtle glen
1 hr ahead uh?
sturdy mirage
so I'm falling asleep, have a nice day!
sturdy mirage
where are you from? :3
subtle glen
italy
fresh copper
I would love a cable or two but shipping would be way too expensive and probably not worth it
thick minnow
here so ... for like 70 dollars you could link two computers to eachother @ 10Gbps
with fiber
or 46 dollars if you get direct attached copper
🤷
sturdy mirage
thank you for this site, I did not knew it %(
gentle siren
Lol, love it when I'm helping someone with an event and someone tells me their Asus Rapture can do everything my Ubiquiti stack can do.
All I can think when they do that is "that's cute."
reef vine
Just wondering what you guys have for internet speed. Share your link:-) https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/d/ed6694a0-9879-46d7-9c0c-d221c42bd598
sturdy mirage
3.5mbps download
fresh copper
Here is one of the best ones on my phone. I’ve gotten up to 300/25. On my parents internet I can get 300/300. Why do they get better internet than me. A networking professional.
subtle glen
oh fiber, where are you... They keep digging and digging to add more conduits but they still haven't blow fiber
fresh copper
Apparently my IP showed as a IPv4 translated IP?
This is weird
I guess the host was IPv6 only and used the old depreciated transition tech
lean jacinth
remote kernel
can i run Windows Server 2016 on a machine that doesnt support prefetchw?
and do pentium D CPUs support prefetchw?
lean jacinth
google yet?
remote kernel
yeah there isnt much about it
pentiums werent really designed as server CPUs though
thick minnow
Just got a 5 mbps boost on download and a 1 mbps boost on upload just by upgrading my router 😃
chrome hound
fresh copper
Just got to run your own speedtest server in a VM on the same machine and hope the hypervisor has good virtual interface throughput
torn remnant
wow and here I am stuck in the same boat as @thick minnow
thick minnow
Lol yeah
Also apparently my speed wasn't a 5mbps increase it was actually 45 mbps before on my old router
So I doubled my speeds
chrome hound
what router did you move to?
chrome hound
nice I loved my Edge, I had the Edge light, loved it
thick minnow
yeah they make some nice products
But in total the upgrade costed me about 150 dollars for that speed which I consider good
chrome hound
I wish I could afford the edge router that can support 10gb speeds
torn remnant
I use Google's
thick minnow
Yeah about that, what do you even use a connection like that for?
torn remnant
because my house is so big. And I don't have a modem here because I may or not have an Ethernet cable running across from my grandmas house to mine so we only need to pay one bill....
chrome hound
I am using a PfSense custom build
torn remnant
@chrome hound what do u do to need 10 gbps
torn remnant
oh 80 gbps
chrome hound
hey there is nothing wrong with that, I would run cat 5 all day if it meant free service
thick minnow
Local transfers is also really nice
I just don't have any test files on hand to show the speeds right now
chrome hound
no I have 10gb internet service
chrome hound
I have fiber coming into a Juniper, then to a netextream, then to my Pfsense and various things
torn remnant
oh ok
chrome hound
well cat 6, I am old so cat 5 is what I used to know 😛
I still remeber when cat 3 seemed overly expensice
chrome hound
I am not sure how to answer that 😛
thick minnow
I've wanted to make my own network cabinet but then decided that there was no way to fit something like that where my internet was coming in from
torn remnant
XDDD I love it when ppl go overboard lol
chrome hound
for the most part I have moved the networking bottle neck to the internet for anything I connect to my network
I put mine in a room and declared it the don't touch dads stuff cabinet 😄
thats kind of an old pic, but you get the idea
torn remnant
Again mine looks like a child lol
thick minnow
I sadly only now in semi control about what happens techwise in our house so I couldn't decide before where everything went 😦
chrome hound
network stack router, switch etc
thick minnow
So we ended up with the worst wifi access point placement in the world
Also awesome 😃
torn remnant
ooof mine are babies lol
chrome hound
networking is just fun, its awesome to see what people do and where they are forced to make it work
thick minnow
True
chrome hound
my crap before was pretty janky
thick minnow
I found a random 16 port switch for like 5 bucks at a thrift store
torn remnant
XD
thick minnow
And bought it for my setup
torn remnant
I got a bunck of 10 switches incase one fails, which I had one do to me and it was not fun
chrome hound
I got all of my setup from my last company that was tossing it out to make way for all new
even the rack
thick minnow
Thats what I wish I could do
just take everything from a company
All ive gotten free from a company nowadays is a laptop
chrome hound
torn remnant
I was going to get a rack but then I realized that I would need to rewire everything so I got a bunch of cat 6 1 ft patch cables
chrome hound
that is what I had before
torn remnant
not to bad
thick minnow
Closet networking is always I feel like the best starts
chrome hound
you can see my first dell server leaning on the wall, running my web sites for gaming
that was a p1950
that box on the left wall on the wood panel was a cisco 2600 my ISP insisted I had to have to get static IPs.... jerks
torn remnant
I need a server computer but I need to convince my dad to actually do that XD. we have an old AMD FX build that should, u know, be repurposed now that he got a newish one that is 50x better
thick minnow
Lol
torn remnant
LOL
thick minnow
best setup 10/10
chrome hound
those were Pentium D cpu's
thick minnow
Needs more dual monitors though
torn remnant
I mean it works
thick minnow
true
chrome hound
for kids home work it was fine 😄
thick minnow
yeah
chrome hound
the brats didn't know how good they had it
thick minnow
I struggle on laptops now that I got more then 1
Also I would repurpose old hardware for a server
torn remnant
The left is the FX processor
chrome hound
yep been there done that 😄
thick minnow
but most of the stuff I have thats old was 100 dollars at walmart
torn remnant
Then I have my PC desk all by itself
chrome hound
so some day I need to wire in my patch panel in my rack so it looks like a real network 😄
thick minnow
I still have all my PC stuff on a dinner table
thick minnow
Yep repurposed
Took a 1080p monitor, random tv and a free 4,3 480p monitor to make my display setup rn
torn remnant
oh question should I do a Linux OS for a server or is Win10 just fine? I was always confused because everyone has their own opinion
chrome hound
not sure how I am going to deal with the fiber patches, my PC, my Wife PC and my sons PC all have fiber with 10gb nics
thick minnow
I read that as linus first
chrome hound
it really depends on your needs, what do you plan to do with it, and what you want to connect to
thick minnow
But I would reccomend linux
chrome hound
I have 2 r710 and a r640 in a proxmox cluster and I run a mix of both windows iand ubuntu
for Samba sharing I jsut find a windows server just easy to setup and keep running stable, for service like my Ubiquity Wifi Ubuntu out paces the windows varant by leaps and bounds
I even run a NFS share on my windows server and mount a 5 t drive for movies and tv shows that I map out to my Plex server
thick minnow
With linux setting up even simple things like static local ips is easier
torn remnant
ok so for reliability and ease Windows and performance Ubuntu?
thick minnow
Basically
chrome hound
well kind of, your mileage will vary
torn remnant
alright that makes sense thanks y'all
thick minnow
yw
chrome hound
chrome hound
I have gone from single server with raids to a Proxmox/NetApp setup
so for me its a click to launch a server
thick minnow
Wow
chrome hound
again stuff my old company tossed out 😄
chrome hound
my new company not so much, so it will be fun when stuff starts getting beyond usable, I am not looking forward to replacing things
chrome hound
tbh the hardware ended up costing them massive down time, due to the IT staff miss configing it for its use
thick minnow
Hmm
chrome hound
the Netextream didn't play well with Cisco so they dumped 2 48 SFP+ 670x and 3 48 copper port switches
thick minnow
I once had an IT team that erased all the data on my works network only giving us 1 warning in the bottom of a daily email
chrome hound
lol nice
thick minnow
Nightmare that day
fresh copper
My setup is so lame. At least I have a colo in about three days
chrome hound
oh nice, what are you coloing?
fresh copper
Edgerouter X, Xserve 2008, Netgear 24 port managed switch with 2 SFP ports
It’s going down in Fremont 2
chrome hound
nice
fresh copper
In the new LTT video linus shows off a 48-port 10GBase-T switch. Looked to have 8 SFP+ ports too
chrome hound
idk fiber is just so much better than copper and the nics are really not the expensive now adays
fresh copper
Yea
sturdy mirage
do you have plan for PCIE to MTRJ CARDS KIDS?
I got a lot of those cables laying around....
subtle glen
do you have plan for a wireless G with 4 100 mbps eth ports router?
fresh copper
Throw it in a DC in ad-hoc mode and call it an internet exchange
subtle glen
uhhhh
wispy plover
@chrome hound fiber is only better than copper for distance and electrical isolation. Even with 10G copper works fine for short distances (like a house or small data center). Backplanes for stacked switches are going to be copper...
chrome hound
not true, fiber also has lower power use so your copper 10T will consume more power
wispy plover
That doesn't even come close to mattering if you're in an environment that needs 10G.
chrome hound
are you kidding, power costs in a DC matter
wispy plover
Most of which will also be deploying access points and VOIP phones. POE will make that an insignificant difference.
chrome hound
10GBASE-T has been around since 2006 and never took off and that has a lot to do with heat generation and power needed to push the distance
there is a massive differance between POE and power consumed
wispy plover
Data centers will have stacked switches...which are stacked with copper. And again, insignificant compared to the server they're feeding.
servers**
chrome hound
I guess I need to go tell the DC guys I used to work with that they are doing it wrong and meed to rip out the fiber back bones they use and put in copper
subtle glen
😂
chrome hound
and I guess we can toss the latency comments out the window
wispy plover
Fiber in a drawer center makes sense because of density (in that, bandwidth you can push through the amount of space taken up. A 24 strand fiber that's the same size as a cat6A cable can obviously handle more bandwith using 12 "pair" or 24 and bi-directional optics.
data center**
Compared to the stacks of 200W+ servers... insignificant amount of power difference. And compared to half a switch of POE devices.... insignificant.
Data center wise: and of course cross talk when you have a bunch of high bandwidth links near each other. Not applicable in most small business or residential applications though..
chrome hound
.7wat per port versa 5wat math is hard, a single cabinet in a DC could have any where from 1k or more connection depending on what its doing, and why do you think POE even matters here?were are not talking about pushing power, jsut the cost of networking
When it comes to 10GBase-T, the PHY standard uses block encoding to transport data across the cable without errors. The block encoding requires a block of data to be read into the transmitter PHY, a mathematical function run on the data before the encoded data are sent over the link. The reverse happens on the receiver side. The standard specifies 2.6 microseconds for the transmit-receive pair, and the size of the block requires that latency to be less that 2 microseconds. SFP+ uses simplified electronics without encoding, and typical latency is around 300 nanoseconds (ns) per link.
Two microseconds may not seem high at first; however, if we imagine a TOR infrastructure where traffic is passing 4 hops to reach the destination, as much as 10.4usec delay is introduced when using 10GBase-T. This is a significant performance penalty compared to using 1.2usec introduced by the SFP+ DAC technology. For each technology, the latency of physical media must be added. In fiber or wire, the speed is roughly 5ns per meter.
subtle glen
holy crap, 300 nanoseconds???
chrome hound
yep
subtle glen
woah
wispy plover
POE doesn't matter in a data center. I originally reference power difference not mattering in places needing 10G that also have access points and phones, hence POE.
chrome hound
but POE is on top of it all, its just power pushed
sure I can't do POE over fiber, but in that case I probably have a mixed switch anyways and I have a POE injector or small POE switch
wispy plover
You're not likely to have that many 10G connections on a single switch (outside of a data center), which falls on what I said of the space it takes up.
300ns vs 2.6 is certainly interesting. You have any references on that? Not that I don't believe you, I'm just curious to actually read about that.
chrome hound
just googling here
wispy plover
Power pushed causes it to draw more power from the wall. An unloaded POE switch and a fully loaded POE switch will draw different wattages from the wall. Adding 5W of power on top of whatever 360W (assuming 24 ports of 15W) of POE is going to demand isn't a big difference. That was my point. POE can add 250W of draw from the wall pretty easily
chrome hound
btw I work for a fiber company most of our 10gb/100gb connections are out side of a DC 😄
wispy plover
Maybe fluke will have something in their articles.
wispy plover
For a fiber company? Like, an ISP sort of thing?
chrome hound
UTOPIA we run and build fiber all the way to the last mile, sure we have connections into DC for ISP hand offs, mainly we deal at layer 2 providing connectivity between sites
I am in fact running 10gb from the internet to my desktop, a nice perk of working for them 😄
I am stocked that LTT is going to be working with a 10gb connection, I may finally be able to solve my routers issues and get full use of my service 😄
wispy plover
I don't even know what I'd do with 1G, let alone 10G...
chrome hound
lol let me tell you about children and them ruining my gaming time with there "streams"
wispy plover
I mean, internal Network is one thing. I just don't have anything that needs that much bandwidth.
chrome hound
even with my current router setup its so much better, I no longer get the DAD the internet is doing that thing again
wispy plover
Ooh, I never even considered gaming streams.
chrome hound
well I have about 5 people living in my house, with 5 some how at any given moment there is 20 to 30 incoming streams from various services netfilcks youtube amazon
subtle glen
Are fiber cabinets equipped with ups'es?
chrome hound
yep
subtle glen
Generators?
wispy plover
It's just me and my fiance, so it's much less for me lol
chrome hound
they are more core to the network so they need quicker power response
wait until that changes and you have cancer blobs taking up the internet 😛
subtle glen
But the last cabinets have passive fiber so no backup power, right?
chrome hound
no UTOPIA is 100% active network
subtle glen
Isn't it better with passive? So you only have a hut that needs power?
wispy plover
Since you do up to the last mile...what happens then? Hand off to another provider, jump down coax or phone?
chrome hound
so passive introduces a lag on your conenction
think back to the old token ring networks
its not exactly token ring, but you have a clock dependancy
subtle glen
So here they are installing crap fiber 😁
chrome hound
its not exactly crap
because now adays your clock and cycle hundres of times faster then anything
but bacisly with passive each device gets a time slice to send and receive data
subtle glen
They say the reason they go with passive fiber is to have less failure points
wispy plover
Oh, so just like ptmp with wireless.
chrome hound
it is true, no power on a pasive means your not down if you have power failures
but in most cases power outage means your client is down anyways
here is the Hut that my connection routes to
the Generator is in the top half of the hut walled off from the fiber and switches
chrome hound
I would have linked the google map but discord blocks those 😦
wispy plover
Less likely to be targeted if it blends in lol
wispy plover
ISP that used to be local to me (I moved) had one of their main huts that i swore it was a house. Turns out, it was and they bought and repurposed it.
chrome hound
coming into that hut is probably 2k fiber strands all connecting up into SFP, see this is where power and heat matter 😛
subtle glen
those should be the one that this company uses. with batteries on the outside and eventually a generator. those are also power substations sometimes. the container is mounted onto anti earthquake foots
wispy plover
The idea of a hut having a fireplace is providing me entertainment.
subtle glen
Lol wtf, a house like in a neighbourhood
chrome hound
lol
wispy plover
On a US highway, at that.
subtle glen
Imagine living next to that house with that super low ping
chrome hound
subtle glen
You could threw a cable out of the window and have more lines
chrome hound
Google street view on the entry to the switch room
lyric wren
are you guys on about exchanges?
wispy plover
Looks less house like from that angle.
chrome hound
lol my ping to that hut is 0
subtle glen
Its missing windows thats why
chrome hound
60km optics
subtle glen
Mmmmm interesting
wispy plover
Hey, sometimes there's a shitload of batteries too!
chrome hound
mobile AC unit when they go bad
lyric wren
looks right. also looks like fibre
subtle glen
do you use this plug for active fiber
lyric wren
yup
chrome hound
these are BiDi fibers one per connection
subtle glen
Thats a lot of cables
chrome hound
but yes that is also a LC dual connector
wispy plover
Is it possible to make a bunch of fiber patch cords look good?
chrome hound
lol sometimes
lyric wren
irish ones look like this
subtle glen
I just found a few phone cabinets open around here.... I could take down internet to few houses
lyric wren
a shitload of telephone wires
subtle glen
Wtf
wispy plover
I swear it isn't. Unless you're hiding it in wire management with covers.
subtle glen
How do you know which wire is for who, like if you have to troubleshoot or turn on a line
lyric wren
oh i know one in my own that is not locked ever
chrome hound
typical WDM panel
subtle glen
Isnt that the passive connector
lyric wren
@subtle glen they have a db of line numbers and ports
chrome hound
it can be
wispy plover
Just a simplex SC. Active and passive use the same connectors.
chrome hound
what makes it passive is the equipment
lyric wren
in ireland at least they go by phone line number and then they lookup the port
chrome hound
and passive fiber can be T connected in, I don't understand that part, but that is how it was explained to me 😄
wispy plover
...it...what?
subtle glen
those are the kinda common cabinets here, how do you know the right wire
lyric wren
you lookup the port number for that client
chrome hound
lyric wren
its not hard once you know the method 😄
wispy plover
I mean, I get that you're basically fusing multiple pieces together and each one takes a specific frequency...but no idea beyond that.
subtle glen
I don't see numbers here
wispy plover
Passive splitters made my life easy for catv over fiber though. Only like 17dB of loss for each port in a 32 way split.
Juniper?
chrome hound
I am not sure to be honest, it could also be a Hauwi
wispy plover
Got to take a large router out from juniper that had that footprint. Thought we were going to break the raised floor...
chrome hound
its is one of the100gb core switches though, with 10gb 48 port cards that slide into the chassie
wispy plover
That must be...interesting to manage.
lyric wren
@subtle glen i found a sample
wispy plover
Looks like it'd be passive, but can't really say..
Oh that's cheating. Who labels pair colors?!
subtle glen
That's similar to the cabinet I will be hooked up, I don't know where the next one is to see
chrome hound
well look up the device when you get it, it will say what it is
lyric wren
its usually one pair in ireland
chrome hound
its still fiber optics, just passive 😄
lyric wren
@chrome hound yes it goes to fibre after that
subtle glen
Nah that's old copper
lyric wren
similar @subtle glen
subtle glen
Thought they used a tone thing like in network rooms when they punchdown cables
lyric wren
yup they still do in ireland
chrome hound
ok here I found an example of poor cable management 😄
subtle glen
So they connect the tone box in your house and go outside to the cabinet to find the wire?
lyric wren
@subtle glen
subtle glen
Oh ok
lyric wren
yup exactly
wispy plover
And every wire it bleeds over into :D
lyric wren
2 piece set one stays at the house and then they can test the cable pair at the exchange
chrome hound
lyric wren
true that its a pain @wispy plover but you can overcome that when you find the right pair and connect the 2 cables to the probe and it beeps
subtle glen
Lol here some houses are km away from the rack, I think to test that someone stays at the customer house and one at the cabinet
chrome hound
subtle glen
Are those routers
lyric wren
they use a line tester when the modem is connected @subtle glen
subtle glen
Ohhhhh
wispy plover
They just hang the tone generator from the electric meter housing around here...
subtle glen
And to turn on/off the lines? They manually unplug the cable or they have a software where you select the line status?
lyric wren
@subtle glen something like this at least in ireland
wispy plover
Had a service call to a place and saw a tone generator hooked up to a phone line and no one around. Called the number and they were back at the CO.
subtle glen
😂
lyric wren
subtle glen
Few meters away from here there is a small cabinet open
Why all those clips?
Aren't 2 enough
lyric wren
there're fun take out a few wires shutdon a few lines 😄
you need ground aswell
as far as i remember its positive, negative and ground positive and negative can be on either cable
subtle glen
There is another one around here that doesn't have the cabinet door. Its a really old one
lyric wren
oh shit deffo secure lol
subtle glen
Lol thought it was only one red and one white clip
Sometimes they leave the big ones open so that rain or stupid kids can get in touch with it
lyric wren
get a better reception for their phones lol
subtle glen
Hehehehe
lyric wren
or connect their phone to make a call home 😄
subtle glen
Or illegally connect to the neighbour that has faster adsl
lyric wren
a tone and probe is a must for any networking job
subtle glen
Pffff when I make an eth cable, I plug both ends into a switch and if the leds blinks it's fine
wispy plover
Someone must have stolen the black garbage bag that's supposed to be covering it.
subtle glen
Hahahahaha
wispy plover
Broken ped? Put a garbage bag over it and wrap it in tape.
subtle glen
Here when the cabinet door falls, they just use a piece of steel wire to hold it in place
True
wispy plover
I hadn't learned that "trick", so I took the time to unfuck the cover and get the bend out of it by having my girlfriend (at the time) stand on it while I jumped on it against a curb to work it back to being flat..
lyric wren
lol why?
subtle glen
Put your tester in continuity mode, short the cables at the customer house and then touch the pairs with the tester on the other way
wispy plover
I didn't know any better! I had never had to deal with a pedestal before. I hadn't yet learned what everyone else does.
subtle glen
@lyric wren I've seen that kit on amazon, is it good?
lyric wren
i wouldve just left it after looking inside and taking pics
it does the job i like it
wispy plover
Someone backed into with a moving truck, flattening it and moving the cover for the high voltage transformer to where you could reach in and grab cables.
Was doing this work for a university (was a student worker at the time) and they wanted it fixed. Later learned what AT&T and Verizon do. And that we had new pedestals that I could have just put over everything instead.
subtle glen
That is what I do too. I find an open cabinet? Quickly pulls out phone, open the camera, quickly opens the door, take a rapid picture and walk away while I look if someone saw me
wispy plover
Put peanut butter under the cables and let a mouse loose in there.
subtle glen
@wispy plover today I discovered that transformers have sprinkler systems
It surprises me the fact that they use water
lyric wren
wow
wispy plover
I mean, I guess if it's to the point of needing a sprinkler, a little water won't hurt any.
lyric wren
they must shut off power before activation?
subtle glen
I was wondering that too
wispy plover
It's this feature where it shuts itself off after a spectacular light show.
subtle glen
Lol, electrifying all the sprinkler pipes wouldn't be good
lyric wren
lmao
wispy plover
Well, don't go touching them.
subtle glen
I think they are grounded tho
wispy plover
Besides, they're probably just a really good path to ground.
subtle glen
Or just heat that breaks the sprinkler head
lyric wren
yeah but if its still active when the sprinkles come on the would shut the power off for alot of people
wispy plover
Usually the heat will melt a wax in the sprinkler head or it's a certain metal that reacts at around 135F. Though it's a transformer, so probably the 185F heads.
lyric wren
cool didnt know that
wispy plover
....if there's a fire and they have to activate, I'm not sure they care about people losing power?
lyric wren
xD
lyric wren
this is used aswell to test if the line is active and to see if its the right number
subtle glen
and this is the breaker for a house
lyric wren
oh imagine that
wispy plover
400kv breaker? I'm sure a 2" piece of billet aluminum will work as an alternative.
subtle glen
Do you do a random call with that or there is a specific number @lyric wren
wispy plover
There's usually a specific number you can call which will tell you the line you're on.
subtle glen
Yeah why not @wispy plover
wispy plover
Otherwise, call your mobile phone.
subtle glen
I was thinking about that too
lyric wren
some specific number i dont remeber lol a technician showed me how to use all of his tools i was his little apprentice pretty much
subtle glen
Secret isp numbers
wispy plover
I think he means toolbag with legs lol
subtle glen
OOOO
wispy plover
toolbox** less negative connotation with that phrasing...
lyric wren
haha lmao
subtle glen
@wispy plover are you from usa or something
wispy plover
I am, yes.
lyric wren
nah he carried the tools i just did the learning and observing
i was like 13/14?
12-13
lyric wren
@back where are you from?
lyric wren
cool
wispy plover
Yes, neutral is bonded to ground at the transformer and at the service entrance to a facility.
latent badger
I think this is a good definition of "Off topic" 😆
wispy plover
The ground isn't bonded anywhere else inside, only at the main panel.
subtle glen
Cause y'know @latent badger substations are connected with fiber cables with eachother to make a network
wispy plover
To be fair, a lot of power companies in the US have fiber optic cable buried in their neutral that runs between substations. That's how they know the status of them.
subtle glen
The timing
wispy plover
I've heard the cable is stupid to deal with. Have to put a zip tie around it and cut the conductors with a hacksaw.
subtle glen
@wispy plover I saw some houses that have neutral and ground mixed together dunno why
latent badger
I mean that might be a stretch, but I am not here to judge
wispy plover
lol
lyric wren
still networking 😛
subtle glen
Its a network for power distribution 😂
lyric wren
yup
latent badger
But, in a more networking related matter - I recently installed a few 40x10Gbit/s switches. Total throughput in VC? 1,6Tbp/s.
lyric wren
still qualifies
subtle glen
Mods dont ban me pls
latent badger
I like that.
wispy plover
It happens in older homes. Easy way to trick something into thinking there's a ground when there isn't. I mean, it's only there for safety, who cares about that?
subtle glen
We are going fast there
lyric wren
although i think this i meant to be for internet networking Eg Cat5/at6 & fibre type lol
subtle glen
@wispy plover everyone ofc😁
latent badger
Best way to create ground is to just bring in a bucket of dirt and stick a ground pin in it with a little cable
subtle glen
Is that for home use @latent badger
latent badger
Boom works every time 100%
lyric wren
lmao
latent badger
@subtle glen No, we do LAN-parties with the equipment.
lyric wren
you need a plate under the house
wispy plover
Ooh, earth ground can be a flower pot near every receptacle. I like this idea.
latent badger
lyric wren
would be a nice touch to the decoration lol
subtle glen
lyric wren
lmao
latent badger
Yes exactly! And I PROMISE, as long as you dont NEED ground, it will work 100% every time.
Its whats the ground is made of so should be safe
lyric wren
latent badger
I get my ground from the air
lyric wren
haha
latent badger
As long as your overcurrent is about 10kV
wispy plover
People with standards, apparently.
latent badger
no problem
lyric wren
physics out the roof 😄
latent badger
Air is fine for ground
subtle glen
I use all that metal frame for grounding. it's my only option
lyric wren
your car?
lyric wren
oh wow never wouldve thought
latent badger
...
subtle glen
Technically the car is grounded to the negative terminal of the battery
wispy plover
Flip the ground and hot at night and it doubles as a security system.
latent badger
I used to work with stages. And I mean huge metal stages with atleast 10-20 tons worth of CONNECTED metal. Its not like it grounds itself, still ned a big fucking copper metal pin to stick 2 feet into the ground..
subtle glen
Good night
@wispy plover put an inverter into the car, hook the live to the metal frame
wispy plover
Kitt ain't got nothin' on that.
latent badger
Id love to see the measurements on that.
subtle glen
I want to see it in action
fresh copper
I don’t know if you guys have already talked about it but LMG is getting dark fiber which is awesome
subtle glen
What speed do they want?
fresh copper
5.5G I think
latent badger
So dark you cant even see the optical fiber!!!!
subtle glen
Don't they have it already @fresh copper
fresh copper
He talks like VanIX is a good IX though. I mean, it’s better than FCIX or EVIX, but far from something like SIX or MICE.
@subtle glen I thought so but not according to there latest video.
latent badger
Why would you even need dark fiber for 5.5G? That sounds a bit stupid. The point of dark fiber is to use your own equipment on both ends.
latent badger
I mean if you are using your own equipment anyways, why not 40G
subtle glen
My friend has ftth that is only used for 100mbps and it is capable of 1 gbps
The isp just locked it at 100 mbps
latent badger
FTTH is the standard here in Norway. Most places can get 1Gbit/s, but some places they have 10Gbit/s..
fresh copper
At this point he should just pay the $250/year ARIN fee and get his own ASN, and IPs.
subtle glen
The fiber network they are installing here is for 1 gbps and capable of 10gbps, the isp has to decide if they want to sell it
fresh copper
The switch has QSFP+ too which is cool
latent badger
Why would you need your own ASN? I mean, hell yeah its cool but nope that is not how you spend your money business-wise.
fresh copper
Lol, my best switch has two normal sfp ports
latent badger
If you need an IP range, get it from an ISP and advertise it yourself
subtle glen
My best switch has 48 1gbps ports
fresh copper
If they got their own asn they could do a number of things
latent badger
A whole number of things
fresh copper
Basically they could make their own network, also it’s not that expensive, like I said $250/year with ARIN (less with other RIRs). It’s also just a kind of fun thing. They could do a video about how the internet works with autonomous systems
I have my own personal ASN which is literally in my username
latent badger
They could make their own network without an ASN aswell....
fresh copper
But they could not be multihomed
subtle glen
That's why that username
fresh copper
No?
latent badger
Yes they are 😃
subtle glen
I don't know what an autonomous system thing is so I can't confirm
fresh copper
But you don’t need that unless you are an ISP
There is a guy in APNIC selling ASNs for only $50
latent badger
Well the current fee is 1400 EUR
fresh copper
Only for a full LIR which you don’t need
It’s reasonable price considering you get a /22 with it but you don’t need to do it. Get a sponsoring LIR and it’s much cheeper and an ASN only is a one time cost. IP is reoccurring yearly but still not too bad if you get a sponsoring LIR.
latent badger
I will have to look into a sponsored LIR.
Seems like a good deal indeed
But then, I might not technically need an AS number since I can do whatever I want anyways
🤷
fresh copper
I used Snapserv for mine. The guy from VMHous in the APNIC region will do it for $50 and give you a free /48. They don’t advertise it on their website so you have email them about it.
Even though it’s from APNIC you can use it anywhere for hobbyists
latent badger
Looking at Snapserv now
fresh copper
I like doing BGP for a hobby. It’s not for everyone but I’m a part of three IXPs now and I have about 70-80 IPv6 peers and a couple IPv4 (I don’t have any v4 space yet, I’ll get some 44net at some point)
subtle glen
@fresh copper in that fiber thing unboxing linus says that they can have 10 gbps
lyric wren
What's an LIR
fresh copper
@subtle glen yea. He has a 10G connection to the ISP but the ISP throttles traffic going out to transit to 5.5G but any direct peers or IXs that their ISP is on gets the full, unthrottled 10G connection
@lyric wren it’s bit complicated but here is my favorite one from Kenneth: http://blog.thelifeofkenneth.com/2017/11/creating-autonomous-system-for-fun-and.html?m=1
upbeat oar
Fastest network that I've been connected to was 1.6Tbit/s, most people probably know where
rocky badge
Dreamhack?
rocky badge
Nice, but you were limited to 100/100 or 1000/1000, depending on what you paid for right? 😛
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Oh
upbeat oar
and I only had my laptop and a connection the their really well optimized wireless network, 100/100, WLAN was one of their biggest challenges to cover the entire event
rocky badge
What APs?
upbeat oar
no idea, Cisco Aironets, probably the top of the line ones, which they (Tech Team) get from Cisco
rocky badge
Yeah, saw a lot of stuff was Cisco
rocky badge
The Aironet 4800s are nice 😄
upbeat oar
I wish I had those than the Unifi AP's that never adopt, even if I tried everything :p
upbeat oar
yep, their AP's have good hardware, its just the software that sucks, especially the firmware roulette, u never know which version is the best to work with
upbeat oar
about unifi, I was really disappointed with the USG Pro 4, even that never adopted because it requires an external controller, besides having 2x SFP ports, I thought it could be WAN+LAN, but its just WAN+WAN2, I replaced that ordeal with a ER Pro and that router works flawlessly, EdgeMax is the way to go when using Ubnt's stuff
fresh copper
Once you get over about 10G speeds it starts to get to the point where there are a reasonable number of services that are slower than that. Once you are higher than 10G you might start to bottleneck some internet exchange connections. If you get 10G+ then the ISP likely has multiple bonded 10G connections or maybe even one or more 40G or 100G connections. The issue is that many of the exchange members might not. Then you get to transit. Most ISPs oversell transit so if no one else from the ISP was using the transit then you would get your full connection but it can slow down with more users. You’re probably going to have to be your own ISP after about 20G so I will assume you are now thinking about directly buying transit from a tier one network like Level 3 (one of the best IPv4) or HE (the best IPv6). At about 100G you can reasonably expect to have full connection to the local area (Quite large, east vs west in US/Canada, basically all of the EU. The other places are a completely different story I won’t get into). Once you get into multiple 100G, the area of full speed is much smaller and there won’t be many single services other than the huge players like Google and CloudFlair that even have that speed to any one of their POPs. Beyond that you’re not going to get that speed to more than the DC you’re in. Long before this you would have started on the next step though. Making connections at multiple DCs and peering with huge numbers of ASs and IXs. Most tier two ISPs do this already but their goal is speed that is spread out rather than centralized so while they may have an aggregate capacity up in the high 100G and into the Tbps, it’s never concentrated at one location, not that it needs to be. Dreamhack managed to pick the Right DCs to get 1.6T transit (with plenty of peering) with a rather small network, but others, like NASA, have huge networks to be able to achieve multi-Tbps connections.
In this there is a lot of traffic engineering and other things that go into attempting to reduce bottlenecks at the other side of the internet where many services only have 1G connections with a number of larger players having 10G and only the largest having 100G at a single location. Traffic engineering allows them to spread traffic to multiple POPs to overcome this and get access to higher speeds for a single service if it is anycast, like Google and CloudFlair. There are some other things you can do too. Many services like Netflix and Google offer cacheing services. There are also cacheing services for Apple and Steam and some others but you have to set them up in specific ways that have issues
Why did I just write such a huge wall of text
No one is going to read that
upbeat oar
u should write an article 😛
fresh copper
Lol, I need a blog
upbeat oar
with that amount of text 😛
fresh copper
Then I can stop sending people to Kennith’s blog to explain networking stuff
rocky badge
So erm
I messed something up
Remotely
And I can't remote back into it
Oh....I can't ping it
Shit...
Oh well....I messed something up when modifying a VLAN
upbeat oar
earlier I did something similar, I created drop policies on the firewall for everything, when I thought I was setting up DPI.... then I realized that I blocked everything on my inbound traffic, killing my connection..... dont configure stuff when ur tired 😛
upbeat oar
if only the controller was built in
rocky badge
My router's an Edgerouter
It's just that I have a UniFi controller in docker because I'm getting some APs 
upbeat oar
ah
Im probably switching to Cisco Meraki APs instead
trying to keep it all to one ecosystem, except the router
upbeat oar
oldschool!
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ExtremeSwitching and ExtremeMobility family of products
upbeat oar
I havent seen that since Dreamhack 2004ish
rocky badge
😄
upbeat oar
back then they had a 5Gbit connection, times has changed 😛
upbeat oar
ah
rocky badge
then the VPN and main servers have a dedicated fiber line
upbeat oar
my University uses 2x100Gbit 😃
rocky badge
They use like 20 IPs out of a /24
They could get some 10 Gigabit lines but we don't need that 😄
There's not enough traffic to justify it
viscid warren
I live in a old house with thick walls two story 2,703 sqft. I plan on adding several smart devices and we have multiple alexas and stream music and movies in multiple rooms around the house. I should set a multi acces point setup or would one of the higher end routers be sufficient?
I also plan on have a decent camera security system
rocky badge
I'd say for the reliability a multi AP setup
viscid warren
Ubiquiti?
rocky badge
Yeah
upbeat oar
same plan as mine for this old house from the 1940s
viscid warren
So just two down stair spaced out splitting house into 3 sections?
Some walls have a lot of pipes and are super thick
rocky badge
Maybe the AP-AC-LR?
upbeat oar
although this house has FTTH 1Gbit symmetrical 😃
I should really go to bed, I keep mistyping wrods
viscid warren
FTTH?
upbeat oar
Fibre to the House
rocky badge
Fiber to the house
upbeat oar
xD
rocky badge
😄
upbeat oar
used to be 3800 euros like 3 years ago
viscid warren
I would love to get faster internet here
viscid warren
I am only at like 250
upbeat oar
although Im stuck with 1Gbit for now 12 months contract with the ISP I use, later I can change to 10Gbit, for 30 euros a month with another ISP
upbeat oar
10Gbit for home use offer just rolled out this year in Sweden
rocky badge
But then it's like $299/mo without taxes, fees, and equipment
upbeat oar
ah ye Equipment is not included with the low cost per month here, I have to sort that myself
upbeat oar
nice
rocky badge
might go all UniFi
a US‑16‑XG
for PoE US‑48‑500W
some US‑48s
and then the USG‑PRO‑4
It's not final though, UniFi and EdgeMAX are supposed to be friendly soon
upbeat oar
ah, when it comes to switches I use a Cisco WS-C2960G-24 and WS-C4948-10GE 😃
upbeat oar
its not 48 port 10GbE, it has 2x 10GbE uplinks
upbeat oar
I wish it was 48 port 10GbE
rocky badge
My favorite part of the LTT livestream https://youtu.be/jaCq-TMpejk?t=546
upbeat oar
but I got the 4948 dirt cheap on ebay
rocky badge
I just want fiber at the new house
upbeat oar
even came with 2x 300W PSUs
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Nice
upbeat oar
its not a quiet switch
upbeat oar
runs 6x 40mm delta fans, vroooom
upbeat oar
ah ye my server uses those too
rocky badge
Dell: Chassis is open, ramp up the fans!
upbeat oar
12k rpm though, its loud
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paired with the 15k rpm disks I have
upbeat oar
yea intrusion detected, they freak out
viscid warren
$299.95/mo for "Up to 2000 Mbps Download Speeds"
rocky badge
I booted without heatsinks before
upbeat oar
@viscid warren expensive!
upbeat oar
when it says "Up to" u wont get the full speed 😛
that's what I experienced in the UK before
viscid warren
Ya
upbeat oar
oldschool 😃
rocky badge
And expensive lol
viscid warren
85/mo for 400Mbps and 90/mo for 1000Mbps why would you not get the 1000
upbeat oar
looks neat
rocky badge
The new school's is neater 😄
But then there's way more Ethernet runs 😄
Each classroom has at least 4 Ethernet ports, one for the projector, one for the intercom, one for the lights, one for the AP, and one for the fire alarm.
Then you have 24 classrooms like that, then the labs, both science and computer.
The science labs have a 24 port switch while the computer labs have 48 port.
You can go almost everywhere in the building and have a usable/strong signal
proud ridge
Surprised the LTT crew haven't checked out any of Juniper's gear
especially given Juniper just throw discounts at you the moment you mention Cisco's name
clear igloo
They don't like full fledged enterprise gear, they had a Cisco 2851 and replaced it because they couldn't maintain it
@proud ridge I would love to see them do more networking videos but they usually don't do the research needed to do it justice or maybe just from a network engineer perspective I'm too picky 😛
upbeat oar
they just need to hire a proper network engineer to handle the server room and everything, Cisco 2851 isnt hard to maintain though
clear igloo
Yah, I don't think they want to invest in that though which kind of sucks =/
upbeat oar
they dont even want to invest in a sound engineer even if Brandon says having one would make his job easier
clear igloo
Exactly, and they wouldn't even need to invest in a full-time network engineer either, just someone on call or something once it's all setup
upbeat oar
Boom Operators are usually required in professional film production
so they have people freelancing for them then
elfin gust
I have a 1950 G3 paid like 650 brl (around 200usd )
anyway, that new switch Linus released a video about is a Dell N4064 ?
hardy kestrel
So that's why Blob isnt talking
proud ridge
Yeah
Is amazing
I’m also surprised that they’re not running their own network out of VAN-IX too
Would likely be significantly cheaper to just pay IX fees, get some trash transit like Cogent and some prem transit like NTT and grab a tail from Telus
Maybe one day they’ll do a collab with someone and sort that out
proud ridge
sure, why not 😂
clear igloo
You mean PE nodes? 😛
clear igloo
Well if LTT is a provider then PE would make sense, otherwise they would be CE nodes?
ivory coyote
Guys, I have to wire part of my house. I'm not very expert in netwroking, so if you answer, please use normal english 😅
I'm not sure whether to buy a Cat 5e or a Cat 6 cable (I use ADSL, so there will be no difference, but in the future I may upgrade to FTTC). Since I'll have to run the internet cable in the same electrical conduit of my electrical line (220V) will there be interfererence/noise if I use a not shielded cable?
I'll have to place at least 11.10m of cables between my modem/router and a second access point (a Netgear EX3700 I still have to purchase). What are your thoughts?
I'm planning to buy a Lan switch too before the access point, something like the 5 port Tp Link switch
clear igloo
If you're running next to electrical I would definitely try to get shielded cable to be safe. Cat5e is fine for gigabit
ivory coyote
https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00MLCFF5K/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3SXIDN65HMO59&th=1
Is something like this fine?
clear igloo
I can't read italian 😦 but I think it says copper clad aluminum?
If so, do NOT get it
ivory coyote
Whoopsies
Yes. Copper and aluminium clad conductors (Idk how to translate it better)
clear igloo
Yah, anything with aluminium is bad. They try to cheap out and save a few cents and you get a terrible product that's worse than standard pure copper
I would rather go with standard copper unshielded cable over CCA next to power lines
ivory coyote
I can't spend a lot on this project… Is there a 20m all copper cable for somewhere around that price?
clear igloo
Let me see what I can find 😃
ivory coyote
Thank you 😃
clear igloo
ivory coyote
I will have to cut the connectors, since my conduits have some cables in them and the internet cable wouldn't fit. Are there some special connectors I have to use or they're all teh same?
clear igloo
So long as they are Cat6 ends, they'll be fine
Just know you'll need to crimp them so you'll need a crimper too
sturdy mirage
🤔
chrome hound
it is possible to water cool a network card?
elfin gust
yes, i think, although it might not be practical since you might not get any real advantages with that... BUT i would like to see it done... lol, maybe Linus read this and try some day ?
chrome hound
I noticed the heat goes up when I run speed tests, like a lot
elfin gust
whats the card?
do you have clearance on the machine to put a water block or a heatsink?
chrome hound
well that might be a problem, its a 1u rack mount, Cheliso dual fsp nic
proud ridge
His 10G cards must get hot I imagine
fresh copper
I hate Cogent so much. They don’t even have Google on IPv6. I wish they would set up their own network. My rough estimations say it would probably not be too expensive.
I would be happy to set it up for them. I only live like 30 minutes away and I have plenty of BGP experience. I even got my own ASN a few months back and I run an internet exchange. I could probably end up getting them a better connection than their ISP would get them because it would be specialized for them rather than made for multiple customers.
candid egret
anyone here good with fiber networking and 10GB?
viscid warren
I am trying to setup a super fast full coverage home network.
Still trying to figure out what all gear I want to get
Im debating on if I should get ubiquiti wifi mesh or should I put a few wired access points at the ends of the house
subtle glen
latent badger
😮
subtle glen
Hehehe
gritty owl
haha, that's a fun WiFi name
rough zenith
Which wifi solution would be optimal:
Pci wireless network card
Those mini itx board with built in dual band wifi?
young sundial
Which ever one has external / removable antennae.
You can get around a lot of problems by being able to move your antenna.
subtle glen
Or no wifi solution at all for pc
young sundial
^^ or that, circumstances permitting.
subtle glen
It's always possible to run a cable 😊 , you just have to plan its route
rough zenith
Hmm, is there a difference between those usb wireless dongle with the antenna, pci network card with 1, or pci network card with 2 antennas?
young sundial
I have one of these that I use with my Alfa USB 8187. It's old, but the transmitter is pretty powerful.
The chipsets mostly.
Some are made for speed, some for compatibility.
Realtek/Wistron/etc have lots of driver support for Linux and BSD. They often support monior mode and packet injection, if you are into that sort of thing.
Others are made for high advertised speeds, but tend to be mostly Windows devices.
rough zenith
Hmm
young sundial
Like all things technological, it comes down to what you're trying to accomplish.
rough zenith
Streaming....with wifi
young sundial
And you're having signal problems?
rough zenith
With the current usb wireless dongle, yes
young sundial
I like to use this app (on an Android device) to see what the wireless environment is like: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer&hl=en_US
rough zenith
Let me try, hang on.
young sundial
Your channel may just be getting stepped on by someone else's gear.
rough zenith
It auto disconnects every once in a while
young sundial
The channel view will show you what is near you, on what channel and what it's signal strength is.
rough zenith
Give me a moment
young sundial
Sure.
young sundial
The signal strength looks pretty low, but channel 12 doesn't look like anything is directly on it. Is your access point set to automatically pick a channel?
subtle glen
don't stream with wifi
rough zenith
Im not sure about auto either
young sundial
Also, are you streaming as in broadcasting on twitch, or streaming as in watching netflix?
rough zenith
Broadcasting to YouTube
subtle glen
oof
young sundial
Ah, well wifi isn't going to be your friend 😃
subtle glen
^
young sundial
you have a USB wifi thingy?
rough zenith
It could handle 1080p 48 fps at 3600 kbps, but for some reason the wifi kept turning off, i thought it might be the usb network dongle problem
subtle glen
pci-e usb dongles are more stable
young sundial
it could be. It could also be your AP and your dongle switching channels.
rough zenith
young sundial
That can cause momentary drops.
rough zenith
I had another dongle too
rough zenith
I was wondering if getting that or a pci wireless card with antenna would be better too
subtle glen
isn't running a cable an option??
young sundial
you could set your AP to always use channel 12 (or 3) and see if that helps. Even if it doesn't it won't cost you anything.
rough zenith
Around 9 meters away through 1 or 2 walls
subtle glen
i see that you are not even considering the cable
rough zenith
Sadly no
subtle glen
you could try with something like this
or this that has mobile antennas on a docking station
young sundial
Is your AP on the same floor as you?
rough zenith
Hmm, switching to channel 3, u said? What about 5?
Ye its on the same floor
Just different rooms
young sundial
switching channels and disabling the auto select doesn't cost you anything.
rough zenith
Pci card with 3 antennas?
subtle glen
there are even with 4
rough zenith
But 2 would be fine too?
subtle glen
if your router has 5 Ghz i would get one that has 5Ghz capabilities
beside the number of antennas
rough zenith
Semi weak signal on 5ghz network though, hmm
subtle glen
yeah it's not very good at going through walls
young sundial
being able to move your antenna around the room will make a big difference.
subtle glen
or just drill holes, follow the wall outlines and sneak a cable
rough zenith
The network cable would be lying on the floor, going out my room door lol, unless the cable is built into the wall, which calls for renovation :(
young sundial
CAT5 is good for like 100m, get creative 😃
subtle glen
just a little hole. Use silicon to glue it at the bottom of the wall on top of the wooden thingy
or use a tiny cable rail and run the cable inside
they even exist cable rails that have a sticky back so you don't have to drill holes
rough zenith
Hmm
If running a cable really isint an option, is any brand with dual band ac pci wireless network card sufficient?
subtle glen
i would say yes. maybe search online for reviews, speedtests and stuff
young sundial
Speaking of noisy networks, I grabbed this a couple of years ago in Manhattan, near Wall Street.
subtle glen
did you see the one i sent before?
students hotspot, all the wireless ap's for the different networks etc
young sundial
I didn't see that. Sounds like chaos tho.
subtle glen
yeah, and all the wifi networks were like -86 /-76 db on the orange poor quality range
young sundial
I have a friend that did IT for an Amazon warehouse. Wifi is a big deal for their handheld package scanners.
subtle glen
yeah that's the only option. imagine if all those robot would have cables. what a mess would come out
young sundial
and there was this arms race with the other nearby warehouses where they kept getting more powerful APs and bigger antennas.
young sundial
one warehouse would be on top for a month and then another would upgrade. I was like, why not use directional antennas?
put them on the outside walls and point them inward.
young sundial
100km of range, also everyone within a mile of it will go sterile 😃
subtle glen
just stay in front of it for a couple of minutes
young sundial
it's like a free vasectomy 😃
subtle glen
chernobyl radiations arent even close
subtle glen
i'd like to know if with that thing on my balcony, pointed at my garage would actually let me have wifi in the garage. considering there is dirt, concrete bricks, reinforced concrete etc
young sundial
I have all my network gear in my basement, and I have a living room that used to be a garage, so there is a basement wall an exterior brick wall, and 10 feet of earth between it and the basement. I ran a cat5 and put an AP in the living room, even though the whole rest of the house is covered fine by the basement AP.
subtle glen
running an eth cable is not an option (maybe if i get permission and stuff i will be able to run a fiber cable). for now i just use powerlines but they are not that fast
young sundial
On the plus side, the back yard gets decent signal now. Vinyl siding on the garage living room doesn't do anything to radio waves apparently.
subtle glen
i tried with a router on the edge of my window and another router as repeater mode down there but it only works with the door of the garage open
young sundial
metal door?
subtle glen
yep, and it's also facing the other direction
i'm seriously thinking about buying a 100 meters spool of single fiber cable and run it in all the power conduits from the 3rd floor down into the power room, then under the street to the garage
young sundial
I helped my dad wire his garage. He had some electrical work done and had the contractor bury a conduit between the house and garage.
I told him to get some nice cat6 cable and I'd pull 5 strands. He bought that direct bury cable that looks kind of like coax.
subtle glen
if i was in a private property i would dig as i'd like but unfortunately it's an apartment and the street is all asphalt
young sundial
so my 2 hour job became a 3 day job pulling that stuff through 4 90 degree bends.
subtle glen
i would have made smoother turns 😄
young sundial
I worked at a place that had two offices across a parking lot. it would have cost like $30k to dig up the parking lot to run fiber, or $10k to run it on the utility poles. So they just did two APs in bridge mode.
and suffered through the lag.
subtle glen
or rent one of those machines that have a vibrating head that can make a hole in the dirt without breaking the parking lot asphalt
young sundial
yeah, the whole thing sounded like a failure of imagination.
here's hoping Elon Musk's Boring Company has a plan for doing fiber runs as well 😃
subtle glen
hehehehe, they already use abandoned subways and stuff to run cables and utility pipes
yesterday i saw a video of 2 guys exploring an abandoned subway and they found some big fiber conduits in there (from at&t or something)
young sundial
I was thinking more of like long haul runs between big cities. living in Boston but being able to get ISP service from NYC. And vice-versa.
Who needs Net Neutrality when there's competition?
subtle glen
i will start my own boring company but not to make tunnels for cars, to make tunnels for fiber. Tomorrow i'll sell flamethrowers
young sundial
Or a gun that shoots fiber optic cable like silly string.
I'd buy that for a dollar!
subtle glen
a grappling hook gun but instead of using a rope use fiber
young sundial
You can climb up and down, just don't swing side to side 😃
subtle glen
seems like they used it here
young sundial
I watched the local cable company pull fiber into a new office my company is opening. 10 years ago you needed a truck to carry all the gear you needed to splice fiber. This dude had a box the size of an ATX power supply. It was pretty cool to watch.
subtle glen
few months ago they put in (i think) one day an ont, boxes to distribute fiber on each floor, a fiber cable across all the building and i almost didn't noticed
google image @sturdy mirage 😄 ?
subtle glen
why not 48 switches ports at this point?