virtual-reality

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, and that's not the point of Passthrough @flat pawn

[flat pawn]

way better to peer through the nose hole

yeah passthrough helps me find the couch

[carmine wharf]

ok so like, which one would you say fits more comfortably? and are the touch controllers and knuckles around the same size? the oculus touch controllers feel great but im worried the index ones may be slightly too big

[haughty thistle]

Passthrough was designed, so you can quickly find something like a bottle or your seat, but not to use your phone

[quiet radish]

Y'all think this is a good enough system for VR? It's not completely finished, and I'm still making some considerations, but I could use some feedback. Making this for someone in #public-chat.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pFd7ht

Ryzen 5 3600, 2x8 3600MHz DDR4, 1660 Super

[carmine wharf]

i dont see why not

[flat pawn]

it's gonna struggle without a gpu

oh

I didn't even see the 1660

[quiet radish]

I can't ultimately decide whether to put a 1660 Super or a 3070 there.

lol

[carmine wharf]

3070

[quiet radish]

Spend the extra 150 bucks

cool

3070 is a good card

all the Ampere cards are

[flat pawn]

definitely go 3070 over the 1660

[quiet radish]

Alrighty

everything else look good?

[carmine wharf]

yeah

[quiet radish]

I'm a bit iffy about the stock cooler

[haughty thistle]

The Index Controllers are like twice the size and noticably heavier, if just held in the hand, then the Quest Controllers. BUT: the weight distribution on the Index Controllers is super nice, so it's not really noticable during use. When it comes to headset comfort: Index wins hands down

[green crypt]

the 3600 is good enough yeah but depends on the games they want to play

[quiet radish]

AMD has competent stock coolers but idk what games this person is running so

lol

[carmine wharf]

I'm a bit iffy about the stock cooler
@quiet radish dont worry amd has great stock coolers

[haughty thistle]

The Quest always digs into my face like some sort of parasite, while the Index just comfortably rests on my head

[flat pawn]

inb4 scythe fuma 2 recommendation

[quiet radish]

yeah

ik

[carmine wharf]

The Index Controllers are like twice the size and noticably heavier, if just held in the hand, then the Quest Controllers. BUT: the weight distribution on the Index Controllers is super nice, so it's not really noticable during use. When it comes to headset comfort: Index wins hands down
@haughty thistle well i know the controllers are huge, but like how is the grip size? do you have to stretch your hands more to use the index controllers or anything?

[green crypt]

if they have a bit spare there is nothing wrong upgrading the cooler as vr can strech the temps quite high

[flat pawn]

it's like gripping a pole

but not as cold

[carmine wharf]

how thick of a pole

[flat pawn]

thinnish, roughly

[carmine wharf]

ok

[green crypt]

tbh the index controllers you keep your hand open most of the time so they are really comfy

[flat pawn]

precisely

[carmine wharf]

true true

im just worried my baby hands wont fit but ill figure it out

[haughty thistle]

About half the diameter, if not smaller, then an LTT Waterbottle (LTTstore.com)

[flat pawn]

you just had to

[quiet radish]

One more issue

[carmine wharf]

i dont have an ltt waterbottle haha

[quiet radish]

that person wants the system under 1.2k USD

[carmine wharf]

uh oh

[quiet radish]

that's why I had a 1660 Super in there...

[haughty thistle]

Yes I had to

[flat pawn]

save on the SSD then

samsung is pretty expensive

[quiet radish]

870 QVO?

[flat pawn]

I said save

[quiet radish]

Or WD Blue?

Oh

[green crypt]

well 1tb for 140 is not the worst price

[flat pawn]

as in spend less on the same 1tb

yeah this is true

but it's worth shopping around a bit

[haughty thistle]

But yeah, Index vs Oculus Quest Controllers: the Index grip part is slightly thinner, I'd guess

[quiet radish]

870 QVO 1tb is $99 to be fair

but

Lower read/write speeds

[flat pawn]

get off samsung

try mushkin

[carmine wharf]

But yeah, Index vs Oculus Quest Controllers: the Index grip part is slightly thinner, I'd guess
@haughty thistle ok well as long as everything is comfortable ill be fine

idc about the actual controller size i dont really have anything to bump into

[quiet radish]

LOL

[haughty thistle]

QLC SSDs are worse then Hard drives
Don't get them, unless you expect to move the system around a lot

[quiet radish]

480 GB FOR $200

WHAT IS THIS

lmao

[flat pawn]

what did you find

[green crypt]

adata also has some good ssd's

[quiet radish]

I looked up mushkin

and the first thing I see

Is a 480GB SSD for $284

[flat pawn]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JHxbt6/mushkin-pilot-e-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mknssdpe1tb-d8

[haughty thistle]

Try to get a Cached TLC Sata SSD. Should be good enough

[carmine wharf]

love how mushkin names their ssd's after valve engine names

[flat pawn]

try that one techy

20 bucks in your pocket is a start

25 bucks?

115 vs 140

same 1tb

[carmine wharf]

@haughty thistle ok so if the quest fits fairly comfortably on me the index will fit too right?

[flat pawn]

still well reviewed, still fast

[green crypt]

also good warranty still 3 years on the munshkin

[sullen linden]

you ain't a VR gamer if you haven't beat boneworks

[green crypt]

the main thing with the index is if you wear glasses it's better to get lenses for in the hmd if your glasses are wide for comfort

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, the Index has quite adjustment range, you should have 0 issues using the Index

[carmine wharf]

alright

[haughty thistle]

Just one piece of advice:
Don't try and strap the Index as tight as possible. It is meant to mostly carry the weight on the top headband. If you constantly press in the face foam a lot, because of the headset being too tight, you might end up damaging the foam

[carmine wharf]

you ain't a VR gamer if you haven't beat boneworks
@sullen linden im not a vr gamer then because i almost fell over from boneworks

i refunded it and got no mans sky

[sullen linden]

ok well you are still vr gamer just not elite vr grammer

[carmine wharf]

Just one piece of advice:
Don't try and strap the Index as tight as possible. It is meant to mostly carry the weight on the top headband. If you constantly press in the face foam a lot, because of the headset being too tight, you might end up damaging the foam
@haughty thistle i know that one from my quest as well. not the damaging the foam part but if i strap it on as tight as it goes its uncomfortable and out of focus

[gentle coral]

For me its

You aren't a VR player if you haven't punched a wall while in VR

Also another one is You are not A VR dev tell you have been punched by someone testing your VR game or experience.

[carmine wharf]

i havent "punched" a wall but ive definitley punched stuff on my shelf (before i moved it) and bumped lightly into the bed

ow those index controllers probably hurt

[gentle coral]

I have been punched at many demo sessions. And have gained quite good reflexes while helping people in VR

[carmine wharf]

lol

[gentle coral]

I wish I could share video of some of the demo sessions I have been a part of, it is amazing some of the crazy stuff people do while in VR. But privacy is important. Maybe I'll make a video where I reenact a few of the things I have seen.

[carmine wharf]

lol

so you develop vr games?

[solid hound]

:0

[gentle coral]

Yep, and hardware and software (I've done advising on 4 headsets (3 AR ones, and one VR one).

[carmine wharf]

are you allowed to talk about what youve worked on so i can look at it?

[solid hound]

Nice you do 3D modeling?!

[gentle coral]

The headsets i had the most to do with are the Kura AR headsets in a very early form, and the project north star AR headsets.

https://www.kura.tech/

https://developer.leapmotion.com/northstar

I also helped with the Atmos XR headset.

https://hackaday.io/project/166006-atmos-an-open-source-xr-headset-for-makers

Though that headset has stopped being developed for the most part.

I am generally an advisor for pre seed (unfunded) startups and open source hardware development.

Also I do a lot of other things like neurotech research, education in many fields, and journalism, and Japanese pop culture work (anime, manga, j fashion, etc).

On the point of 3d modeling

I do a bit of 3d modeling but am much better at physical prototyping, and explaining to others how a design should work. I have trained and learned a stupid number of disciplines.

[carmine wharf]

what does XR even mean?

is that like mixed reality

[gentle coral]

VR AR and MR are all on the XR spectrum.

[carmine wharf]

extended reality is a term for vr, ar, and mr?

[gentle coral]

YEP

[carmine wharf]

hey btw, how much is a hololens now and should i even consider buying one? lol

oop-

$3500

yeah no thanks

[gentle coral]

hololens 2 is quite nice, but is still very niche and does not have any good easy to use applications outside of specific use cases.

I cuurently recommend project north star much more for anyone getting into AR, as it is open source, easy to repair, has a dedicated dev community and has full steamvr support. So you can play any VR games you own. (Also it has the same screens as the index, but a smaller FOV (Still bigger then hololens 2)). Also it is way cheaper.

There will be some new stuff coming from one of the project north star groups soon.

https://combinereality.com/

The current kits are here.

https://www.smart-prototyping.com/AR-VR-MR-XR/AR-VR-Kits-Bundles

[carmine wharf]

wait, how would you play vr games in ar?

wouldnt you just see through the screen?

[carmine wharf]

so... you do see through the screens but you also dont..?

[gentle coral]

Let me find a good video

https://uploadvr.com/half-life-alyx-ar/

[carmine wharf]

that is fucking weird

so its like... this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPOhKULOL4o

[gentle coral]

If you focus on the virtual image with your eyes everything behind it becomes out of focus enough that your brain can forget it is there.

Yes the ltt videos on the two transparent displays he has experience with end up feeling similar. I have seen many of those transparent oled tvs at events and it is really cool.

[carmine wharf]

i really really wish i could go to fancy tech events

all my family ever does is sit down and when we do go on trips its for "family members"

[zinc timber]

i really really wish i could go to fancy tech events
@carmine wharf eh, travel is too much work

[carmine wharf]

i put family members in quotes because.. well its usually my step family and since i havent met them ever before it kinda feels like a waste of a trip

[zinc timber]

like, you leave your house, get on a plane for hours, stay in a shitty hotel, and basically interrupt your life for like two or three days to what
look at advertisements for a few hours?

[carmine wharf]

um yeah? id rather do that then sit here waiting 10 years for them to actually release

id like to call myself a person who likes tech, because well i do

idk where i was going with that

[flat pawn]

[sly falcon]

Any vive owners here who can tell me if this is normal??, I bought a used vive and see this is this just first gen optics being wierd or should I return it??

@ me if u know be I gtg

It’s on both lenses and there is also a spot on the top and bottom, and they only show up in dark scenes

[haughty thistle]

looks pretty normal to me

The Index has reduced those "God Rays" quite significantly compared to the Vive, but the Internal reflections (I believe this is what that is) are slightly worse. I kid you not, I first thought that my Index Optics were broken xD
But yeah, if it looks like a smaller ghost image of the brighter spots in the main image, then it's pretty normal (quite hard to tell from this one image)

@sly falcon

[sly falcon]

its some wierd green shit holup lemme get a better pic

support says it might be a cable issue

See it now?

Also is the HDMI on the vive supposed to be wiggly because it is

Once again if you have the awnser @ me

I know for a fact this is not normal because its too wierd you would think HTC would not let this slide

[haughty thistle]

Might actually be burn-in

[sly falcon]

fuck it better not be

isnt burn in visible when its off tho

because its visible when its on only

[haughty thistle]

It's a little too visible to be burn-in, but that would be my stab in the dark

[sly falcon]

dead pixles?

[haughty thistle]

Depends on the severity. Burn-in was very visible on CRTs, not as much on plasma, and almost invisible on OLEDs when turned off

For dead pixels, it's too faint

[sly falcon]

its not visible at all ive tryed to look for it

also the cables were attatched to the vive, but loose when it came so I think its could be that the HDMI got like bent

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, could still be burn-in. Idk tho... Does it stay in place? or does it move around your FOV, as you move your head?

[sly falcon]

it stays very still

[haughty thistle]

I do remember one of the cables on my Vive being slightly loose under the front plate directly on the headset

[sly falcon]

it doesnt look loose

it doesnt go farther in and im not gonna force it

[haughty thistle]

it stays very still
@sly falcon Sounds like something directly on the lenses or displays then

[sly falcon]

so is the display fucking busted :(

bcause its not on the lenses

[haughty thistle]

Did you try shining a not-so-bright flash-light at the lenses and looked for any green-ish reflections?

Hmm... Yeah, sounds like the displays then...

The Vive is supposed to prevent burn-in because of the always changing image while in VR, but a previous user might've overwritten that and cause some burn-in.
I do remember the Vive being a pretty modular piece of tech, so if you can find the OLED screens of the Vive (or maybe another vive with like a busted cable or other electronics, but still good screens) you might be able to swap them out and fix the issue relatively cheaply

[sly falcon]

that sounds hard

[haughty thistle]

Depends on how you look at it: https://ifixit.com/Anleitung/HTC+Vive+OLED+Screen+Replacement/98126

*edited for the right Link to the replacement guide

[sly falcon]

im pretty bad I dont think im gonna do that

im gonna try to get vive to repair it

yeah im returning it

I found a OBO for a brand new one so im going with that

im on the line with support about the issue to confirm if its broke if it is im returning it

yeah the display is broke

I think! could I test by plugging the HTC vive HDMI cable into a monitor and checking for artifacts?

[sly falcon]

can we get an F in the chat for my VIVE im getting a new one but it got damaged in shipping :'(

update I found some listings for almost brand new ones that are OBO im gonna go down my list and see which one I can get

by almost I mean the seal isnt on the box

on one of them its like 750 but there is no offers so I might be able to haggle down to like 200

[carmine wharf]

I'm on the latest quest update and its so weird how much different the guardian and stuff looks

[sly falcon]

yeah

well thanks alot chickenbread for helping me come to the conclusion that it was indeed broken before the return deadline

ima drop a follow or ur twitch for that

[regal breach]

oh really? I only know the Quest 2 so wouldn't know what's changed.

[sly falcon]

guardian got thinner and shit

[carmine wharf]

It did?

[fresh berry]

Finally paid for my third index 😶

Only took like 5 months

[carmine wharf]

..third?

save some for the rest of us man lmao

[fresh berry]

I gave two away for gifts, I share

[carmine wharf]

wow

[gloomy crater]

I'm gonna miss virtual reality. Hopefully by the time I get the money for my new graphics card, beatsaber mods will be fixed. But until then, my index is just gonna be sitting in the corner. sad times

[carmine wharf]

what?

didnt you just get your index?

[gloomy crater]

yep. not even a month ago

The plan was originally to use a (serviceable) temp card in the family member I'm selling pretty much my whole system to in order to upgrade my main rig, but it turned out I don't have enough money on hand to do that. So I'm the one who's gonna be stuck with a (bottom of the barrel) temp card until the RX 6000 series launches. Said family member just got a quest 2 and wants to play VRChat with her long distance BF over SteamVR, so I'll essentially be giving up my ability to play half life alyx and beatsaber so that she can play VRChat with her boyfriend she only sees once every couple of months.

[carmine wharf]

rip

[gloomy crater]

Yeah. But in the end I'll have a much better system (3600 -> 3900X, 5700XT -> 6900XT) and she'll have pretty much her first top tier desktop experience (aforementioned 3600 and 5700XT) so I'd say it's worth it

I'll be making enough to cover the new card in a matter of weeks, it's just availability that worries me. Hopefully I'll be able to get back into VR before Christmas if I'm lucky

[carmine wharf]

alright

i wish you luck

[gentle coral]

Early Vive's had many issues, but were pretty easy to fix if you feel confident repairing tech, and the vive is quite serviceable my friend who was part of the valve steam vr hardware indie dev program in 2017 had a new update part for his vive arrive almost every month. After a year he almost had enough parts to build a second vive setup. Though I have to say that other then controller issues the vive is built like a tank, I have watched people run full speed into walls while wearing that headset, or trip and faceplant into the ground. It is really hard to keep a straight face right when seeing people do that.

I have a ton of friends who buy headsets for others. In the dev and non profit educational community it makes a big difference. Between about 8 of us we have helped get and share about 50 headsets.

I am also excited that after moving a non profit i am a part of, I am about to start setting up our new VR, gaming, and neurotech area. Might even build a crazy VR computer I have been designing for a while.

[haughty thistle]

@gloomy crater
I know it's been said here multiple times, but I don't quite remember if you've read about it already, since you're thinking about going all AMD for VR:
Radeon drivers have been a known culprit many times in breaking VR support. From tiny issues like missing audio to completely not working until a full driver re-install, I've seen everything.
In the end I can't decide for ya, but Nvidia cards are advisable for VR

[harsh niche]

yeah

[distant ore]

Beatsaber vr go brrr

[regal breach]

gonna have another crack at trying to set up Liv+BSAR

[unreal bloom]

Bear with me here. I know it is not that simple.
(this is all in SteamVR)

Okay so I have had my rift s for a while now, but I'm looking for a headset with better tracking, but I don't want to spend an arm and a leg. I have been eyeing some used OG VIVEs, but I can't help to notice that the OG VIVE has a really low resolution. So here I am. Should I and can I use the base stations to track the controllers/wands, and then use the Rift S (as the HMD) separate from the base station/controller tracking?

And then later upgrade to a PIMAX 5K PLUS, any known issues with this HMD?

Is this worth it? Or should I wait for something like the index to arrive in my country? (I live In New Zealand)

Ping me for any info/advice please.

[unreal bloom]

OR if anyone has any ideas on how to get a valve index to new zealand im open to any suggestions.

Because im really struggling at the moment

[zinc timber]

why does your comment include both "don't want to spend an arm and a leg" and "Pimax 5k Plus"

OR if anyone has any ideas on how to get a valve index to new zealand im open to any suggestions.
it seems like you can use a re-shipper
https://www.nzpost.co.nz/tools/youshop

it's expensive, though, and you'll have to pay import taxes

[gloomy crater]

In the end I can't decide for ya, but Nvidia cards are advisable for VR
There aren't any Nvidia cards newer than Pascal that are actually worth the price they're charging. If the RX6000 series breaks VR, I'll buy another 5700xt. Edit: If worse comes to worse, I'll wait until that rumored 20gb 3080 comes out and try and find a way to snag one for $550 or less, since the MSRP of the normal 3080 is downright insulting.

[dry dove]

Index's are starting to ship more

And Index Amazon prices went down

This is a sign

[flat pawn]

if rx6000 breaks vr? what?

[gloomy crater]

if rx6000 breaks vr? what?

Today at 1:47am:

I know it's been said here multiple times, but I don't quite remember if you've read about it already, since you're thinking about going all AMD for VR:
Radeon drivers have been a known culprit many times in breaking VR support. From tiny issues like missing audio to completely not working until a full driver re-install, I've seen everything.
In the end I can't decide for ya, but Nvidia cards are advisable for VR

[flat pawn]

damn, really?

that blows, I really hope it's not true

for rx6000

I've been really thinking about getting whatever the top card is

can you cite any examples of this happening?

were they older cards? only happening with specific headsets? etc

[gloomy crater]

idk, it was chickenbread who said it after I mentioned I'm building an all AMD machine

I've personally not had any issues with radeon cards, other than on my old RX570 that literally just didn't have enough VRAM to run any VR titles without horrible latency and stuttering.

[flat pawn]

cb do you know if those amd related issues are confined to any specific headset/gpu line/etc?

I know you can't speak about upcoming amd releases or drivers but I've been looking at zen 3 and possibly big navi for a computer I'm building soon

first I am hearing about amd vr issues

[dry dove]

It sucks that my quest 2 came but i have to wait till Christmas

[carmine wharf]

ah thats how it felt for me

and this year as well

my mom ordered the headphones i want and they are just sitting in her closet :(

[gloomy crater]

same with my 1440p 144hz monitor

stuck on 1080p 60hz until christmas

[carmine wharf]

last year i asked for an oculus quest and litteraly a week later a box arrived from "facebook labs" and i had to sit for 3 weeks waiting to get it

[gloomy crater]

Apparently my family tried to get me a quest for christmas but it didn't arrive until the end of january, so I didn't get it until my birthday

[carmine wharf]

haha yeah

like 3 people asked how i got it

[gloomy crater]

I then proceeded to upgrade my PC, sell my quest to my mother, and buy an index

She's been playing classic rock songs on beatsaber for the past two weeks.

[carmine wharf]

nice

[gloomy crater]

I'm not looking forward to the day she has to make her own facebook account and buy her own copy of beatsaber, since I'm planning on getting a quest 2 for traveling once the world opens back up, and I'm gonna need that account

[gentle coral]

If you look online there is a lot of info about AMD drivers being unstable for VR, many cards and headsets.

If RX6000 series is competitive with Nvidia, then it will probably be priced pretty close. Especially since Nvidia is pricing stuff near its performance level again after 4+ years of quite high prices.

Though I do wish Nvidia would start increasing ammount of vram across-the-board, as games are starting to use it much more. I wish memory ammount was closer to 8GB for 60 level cards, 12GB for 70 level, 16GB for 80 level, and 24 for 90 level cards.

Also I am hopeful for AMD raytracing hardware to be competitive with Nvidia, or many people will lose out.

Due to needing cuda and raytracing for projects I make, and software I use, I have to use Nvidia cards.

Still i really hope AND RX6000 does great as having options and competition is so important.

[gloomy crater]

also @harsh niche will be interested to hear that the RX6000 series reference card has a USBC port on it

Since Nvidia seems to have dropped the C port with Ampere, it's interesting so see AMD pick it up

[harsh niche]

o hm

[flat pawn]

Damn I'm really gonna have to wait for 3080 20gb then maybe

[gloomy crater]

what I'll lose by switching to Nvidia isn't worth what I'll gain

[harsh niche]

what exactly are you gaining by going with amd besides a slightly lower price

[gloomy crater]

Like I said, it's about what I'm losing by switching to Nvidia

[carmine wharf]

Like I said, it's about what I'm losing by switching to Nvidia
@gloomy crater what do you lose?

[gloomy crater]

I'll be losing relive (i.e. my whole ass streaming setup), my AMD link functionality (has saved my ass multiple times), all my media hotkeys, and y'know, my d i g n i t y

[carmine wharf]

amd link? media hotkeys?

i dont see how hotkeys have anything to do with graphics card brand

[gloomy crater]

the hotkeys are all my presets inside the Radeon host software.

I have them set up in a very specific way

[carmine wharf]

you know you dont have to delete any amd software if you switch to nvidia right

[gloomy crater]

since I copied that image I lost the rest of the explanation from my clipboard, but the jist is; it's not worth it to switch to Nvidia in my specific use case, unless a free graphics card practically falls out of the sky that's miles better than my current one

[carmine wharf]

ok

[harsh niche]

but you could be the cool guy with 20gb of vram

“yeah boy I got that 3080”

if you go up to half of people that play video games I bet they wouldn’t even know what a 5700x or whatever is

[gloomy crater]

you know you dont have to delete any amd software if you switch to nvidia right
tech chat 1 has just informed me that you can not in fact use the Radeon host software or Radeon relive with an Nvidia graphics card

[carmine wharf]

if you go up to half of people that play video games I bet they wouldn’t even know what a 5700x or whatever is
@harsh niche that really doesnt matter lol

[gloomy crater]

So since I'm not gonna be able to use my index for a while, I better start thinking of where to buy my prescription lenses. I've heard good things about VRoptician among others, but I'm not too sure where to look other than the obvious like Widmo, etc.

[carmine wharf]

im gonna buy mine from vr optician unless i can find somebody significantly cheaper

[gloomy crater]

It looks like the index lenses from VRO are more bulky / better made than the ones in the pictures on the other sites, for only like $10 more

[carmine wharf]

yeah chickenbread said something about vro lenses being slightly thicker than other lenses

[gloomy crater]

the ones from VR lense lab are the cheapest, though. $45 versus VRO's $70

Gonna have to do more research

[haughty thistle]

I can highly recommend the lens inserts from VRO. They might seem more bulky and some they do stick out slightly more then the WidmoVR lenses (less then a millimeter), but in my experience I was able to get a much larger FOV with the VRO lenses, as my eyebrows are sitting on the sloped off part on the VRO lenses, and would be sitting on the lens with the Widmo Lenses

Aka. my eyes are closer to the actual lens with the VRO inserts them with the WidmoVR lenses. Also the VRO lenses are much higher quality, actually cleanable (the Widmo lenses seem to attract oils and don't wanna let loose of them) and they don't add a weird milky look to the edge of your FOV

[carmine wharf]

so do the vro lenses help at all with the sweat issues ive seen with the index?

like sweat getting inside the index lenses

[haughty thistle]

For that I guess the Widmo lenses are better as the VRO lenses don't fully encase the Index lenses (there's a gap at the top to prevent fogging up on the VRO ones)

[carmine wharf]

well id prefer lenses that dont fog up lol

also i was just asking, i dont sweat enough in vr to soak the lenses like that

[haughty thistle]

But generally speaking the sweat coming into the lenses is a manufacturing defect, as the lens assembly should be glued shut and airtight

[gloomy crater]

I have a weird issue where I have really long eye lashes and they touch the lenses when I blink, so they always leave streaks on the lenses. on the quest it was an issue bc you can't change the distance from the lenses, so It was a pain to have thicker lenses. But on the index, since you can change the distance, it isn't as much of an issue

[haughty thistle]

If you somehow do get sweat in the lenses: A. you now know you got a defective unit, and B. you were probably handling the headset wrong with holding the lenses pointing up.
If you try to hold your headset level to the ground or with the lenses facing down to the floor you should be fine tbh

[carmine wharf]

I have a weird issue where I have really long eye lashes and they touch the lenses when I blink, so they always leave streaks on the lenses. on the quest it was an issue bc you can't change the distance from the lenses, so It was a pain to have thicker lenses. But on the index, since you can change the distance, it isn't as much of an issue
@gloomy crater trim yo eyelashes

[haughty thistle]

I have a weird issue where I have really long eye lashes and they touch the lenses when I blink, so they always leave streaks on the lenses. on the quest it was an issue bc you can't change the distance from the lenses, so It was a pain to have thicker lenses. But on the index, since you can change the distance, it isn't as much of an issue
@gloomy crater VRO lenses are easy to clean, so that's your best bet if you don't want to trim your eyelashes

[sly falcon]

ok HTC vive or quest 2 one is 200 dollars ima snipe it the other is 300

I finally found one that isnt broke lol

[haughty thistle]

If you're happy with either giving Facebook your data, or getting banned for using a fake and essentially owning a paperweight, then the Quest 2 is probably the better option. With the Vive, you can essential upgrade in a piece meal kinda way up to the Index which is probably still better then the Q2

[sly falcon]

meh fuck facebook im sniping the vive lol

I ended up returning the other vive btw

[flat pawn]

I wish there was a controller design that worked with both inside out and outside in tracking

so that you could do some piecemeal upgrading no matter which method of tracking you chose

[haughty thistle]

Technically the Rift CV1 controllers are trackable by an Inside-Out headset, but due to their design they'd track less then optimal. And in general, if designing a controller for inside-out, you'd place the tracking elements in a completely different way then for Outside-In, so that's why such controllers don't exist

(plus it would add unnecessary weight if for example 2 completely different tracking systems are employed like Lighthouse and WMR)

[flat pawn]

there is no position for tracking elements that could work for both methods?

outside of making the controller have two loops or something ridiculous

[haughty thistle]

Well, You could track WMR controllers Outside-In. But it might not work well for larger playspaces, as the LEDs aren't too bright, and at some distance might bleed into the background. So yeah, you'll always going to have trade-offs with multi-Purpose controllers

[flat pawn]

oh well it was fun to think about

[haughty thistle]

On the Oculus CV1 controllers these LEDs were IR, so it was a lot easier to distinguish them from the background. With all other controllers I'm aware of, you'd need to do some major changes to the Tracking Ring to make it work for both inside-out as well as outside-in

[flat pawn]

how much faith do you have in big navi to right the past wrongs with amd gpu instability in vr

[zinc timber]

well, amd has that ryzen money

[sly falcon]

big navi looks promising but idk

[ashen ferry]

How do I know if my USB-A support Video Output?

Bcs I bought a cable for my VR that Works on my friend's PC but not mine

The Oculus recommanded Anker Cable

[regal breach]

@ashen ferry I spent hours beating my head against a problem which turned out to be OBS breaking the Vulkan driver.

eg, worrying it might have been the cable, chipset, other drivers, etc etc.

[carmine wharf]

Just got back from the optometrist

Very big prescription

[ashen ferry]

@regal breach I checked everything and I dont see why

do you know how I can tell if its DisplayPort compatible?

My USB port

[carmine wharf]

I hope I'm not so blind that I need to pay extra for lenses

[regal breach]

When you say it "doesn't work", be more specific. Also, what model?

[ashen ferry]

XD

My computer model?

In my Oculus PC App its says its a compatible cable and everything works just fine, but when I use Oculus Link, I have No video from the computer in the VR

So Its black on the screen and I see the Guardian

[regal breach]

The headset model

Do you have OBS installed (at all)

[ashen ferry]

Quest 2

OBS is installed

[regal breach]

Upgrade OBS to 26.0.2.

I know this sounds stupid... trust me 🙂

[ashen ferry]

Oh no I know that stupid things like a program that have no way to interfere actually do interfere XD

Ima try

Yeah lol I open it and its asking to do the update XD

[regal breach]

I spent two days beating my head against this exact issue, OBS 26.0.0 breaks the Vulkan driver and does what you're describing.

[ashen ferry]

But whats Vulkan actually?

@regal breach whats next? I installed the update

[regal breach]

What's next? See if it works, if the Oculus app or SteamVR can send anything to the headset.

[ashen ferry]

I Tried and still nothing

[regal breach]

in the oculus\support dir is an installer for the driver. It may help to reinstall that manually, just to be certain.

C:\Program Files\Oculus\Support\oculus-drivers

[ashen ferry]

Ok

[regal breach]

And probably then, just to be sure, reboot.

beyond this though, it's gonna be a lot of log digging etc and I didn't find the logs to be particularly helpful at all.

[ashen ferry]

Just rebooted my pc and its rebooting in the bios for a BIOS update

wasnt expecting this

but it might be bcs I did a Windows Update today XD

[regal breach]

Oh, just a BIOS and Windows update, what could that possibly break. After all, it's all fixes and improvements!

[ashen ferry]

Oh, just a BIOS and Windows update, what could that possibly break. After all, it's all fixes and improvements!
@regal breach Yeah 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

I didnt knew that Windows could actually fetch the BIOS update... Especially when the OS is not OEM

And still not working

Was showing this message before btw

[regal breach]

oof.

[ashen ferry]

@regal breach I texted you in pm

And would you want me to make a log and send it to you?

Oh

I found the problem

xd

seems like my usb ports are not using my RTX

[carmine wharf]

i wonder what will happen if i use my vr headset with my pupils dilated

will i go blind? lol

[ashen ferry]

Idk XD

[harsh niche]

uhh i wouldn't test it

[ashen ferry]

@harsh niche think I know what was the problem

Check the last image

[carmine wharf]

ok so on my prescription it says "cylinder" is "circle" what the fuck does that mean

[harsh niche]

wow lol

[ashen ferry]

Is there a way to make a passthrough?

from my RTX 2060 to USB

a kind of software

[harsh niche]

try different ports idk

[ashen ferry]

Already tried

xd

[carmine wharf]

ok so i think i figure it out

you always have a sphere measurement but you dont always have cylinder right?

[ashen ferry]

Idk

XD

[sly falcon]

god dammit oculus

Im using a quest rn because im waiting on a replacement vive because the one I got used was broken and oculus link TANKS performance on steamvr games

[regal breach]

oh?

[sly falcon]

yeah

all high on h3 on the vive and I have to run it on super potato on quest + link

[carmine wharf]

ooh cool

maybe ill be able to run half life alyx at high settings on the index haha

[sly falcon]

lol

[carmine wharf]

Does the wireless vive adapter work for the index

[young marten]

no

[carmine wharf]

why not?

[weak prawn]

I want to sideload games to my Quest 2, but I mean free opensource games and experimental app. Is this piracy?

[harsh niche]

... no...?

[ashen ferry]

I want to sideload games to my Quest 2, but I mean free opensource games and experimental app. Is this piracy?
@weak prawn

Free open source

its in the name

Free

and open source is ALWAYS Free

[harsh niche]

yeah lmao

[young marten]

why not?
@carmine wharf The hardware and software may have some proprietary stuff going on. Idk know the specifics.

[weak prawn]

@weak prawn
@ashen ferry aw nice thanks so i can use sidequest

[harsh niche]

yes

it is free

that is not pirating

[ashen ferry]

XD

What a question! Is free opensource stuff free? 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[weak prawn]

Hi again guys

I am having an issue with my oculus quest 2

[carmine wharf]

whats the issue?

[weak prawn]

I cannot connect via link
My cable is usb 3.0 5gbs,

ive updated all my drivers

[carmine wharf]

is the headset and oculus software up to date?

[weak prawn]

Yes

I believe is there anyway I could check for updates

manualy

[carmine wharf]

uh hold on

oculus usually shows when you have an update

and the quest you can just go into settings-about-software update

[weak prawn]

I did update about 30 minutes ago

[carmine wharf]

so have you set up your quest in the oculus software yet?

or is it not letting you

[weak prawn]

I have downloaded the Oculus SOftware on my pc

It registers my device

[carmine wharf]

ok but if you go into the devices tab your quest shows up right?

[weak prawn]

My cable gets 2.7gbs transer

yes

[carmine wharf]

how did you set it up if your cable is only 2.7gbps?

[weak prawn]

idk, it was marketed as 5gbs

thats what it was in the test

[carmine wharf]

if it was 5gbps in the test i wonder what could be causing the issue

[weak prawn]

oh no it was marketed as 5gbs but the test showed 2.7gbs

[carmine wharf]

oh

can you send the link to the cable ?

[weak prawn]

sure

[carmine wharf]

ok

[weak prawn]

https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B08BPDVBHF/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[carmine wharf]

looks like it should work

[weak prawn]

ah k

but when I goto the Rift Beta in the headset

it turns black

and an issue appears stating

[carmine wharf]

rift beta?

[weak prawn]

The Oculus App but in Quest 2

[carmine wharf]

uhhh

what does the issue say?

[weak prawn]

oh

gimmi a second

Oculus isn't working correctly. Click here to... https://support.oculus.com/1620988334865654/?locale=en_US&ref=oculus-pc-app

I tried all the solutions

to no avail

[carmine wharf]

id say contact oculus support honestly

[weak prawn]

I have

just before

[carmine wharf]

what did they say?

[weak prawn]

I'll check if they responded

[carmine wharf]

how long ago did you email them

[weak prawn]

only about 20 minutes ago i blieve

[carmine wharf]

oh

they take like a day to respond

[weak prawn]

ah okay, ill just leave it here sorry for wasting you time

but thanks

[carmine wharf]

no no

i dont have any time to waste

[weak prawn]

lmao

well ill cyas later and thanks fror the help

[carmine wharf]

you are welcome i guess? update us here if you get it fixed and how

[regal breach]

I haven't seen anyone getting >2.8Gbps in their USB-A tests.

[distant ore]

Beat Saber VR go brrrrr

[nova basin]

So past few days I have been looking into the quest 2. Today I read an ars technica review of it which completely destroyed it and their verdict was to avoid it.

Are there any alternatives available that you might suggest?

The specs and price of the quest seemed so good

[flat pawn]

I think I remember the review you're talking about

that was one of the first ones written about it, right?

before it even launched

have you checked any more recent ones?

or just reading more than a single review in general

there are pros and cons for the quest 2, some more obvious than others

you'll get a better idea of them if you look from multiple angles

[sullen linden]

what happens if you cry in a vr headset? does the foam of the front absorb it does you vr headset just die?

[sly falcon]

hey just wondering because im getting an OLED vr headset soon, if I always turn it off when im done and basicly never have static objects will I still get burn in?????

ive never used OLED so I dont really know how burn in works

[ashen ferry]

@weak prawn hey mine also says 2.7 instead of 5 but works just fine one my friend's PC, have you just tried to lunch Oculus Link?

Should work event if its marked 2.7

[lost dirge]

I'm sure this gets asked alot but is their any was to use the USB-c port on the motherboard as a vr display port?

[green talon]

i believe that would work

[sullen linden]

I'm sure this gets asked alot but is their any was to use the USB-c port on the motherboard as a vr display port?
@lost dirge I do it, it works.

[lost dirge]

Really? What gpu and motherboard do you have? @sullen linden

[sullen linden]

I dont know my mother board but it is rog and my gpu is rtx 2060

evga

[lost dirge]

I have a evga 1070ti and asus x470 strix

[sullen linden]

how do you check you mother board?

[harsh niche]

if you don't know your motherboard then you probably have a prebuilt

most prebuilts have custom ones like alienware and dell

unless it's cyberpower or something

[sullen linden]

no my dad built and bought it

look at this photograph

[flat pawn]

ok I am looking

[sullen linden]

You like boneworks

?

[flat pawn]

I do

[sullen linden]

look even closer

[flat pawn]

it must suck to sit at the gap between tables though

can't really pull your chair in

[sullen linden]

yes

[flat pawn]

knees bang into the table legs

horrible experience

[zinc timber]

So past few days I have been looking into the quest 2. Today I read an ars technica review of it which completely destroyed it and their verdict was to avoid it.

Are there any alternatives available that you might suggest?
@nova basin most reviews I've seen have disagreed, I think? Quest 2 is a really solid headset, except you have to use facebook, and quest link is kinda shit for performance

[carmine wharf]

thank u vro support

[haughty thistle]

and quest link is kinda shit for performance
@nova basin @zinc timber Not just performance, but also image crispness and color range (larger steps between color, not limited color range)
Plus, the Ars Technica review is not the only one complaining about the limited IPD settings (with heavier blurring on small differences then on the RIft S)
I've also seen one person go even further about the controllers saying that they somehow just don't feel comfortable even compared to the Rift S/Quest Controllers. (ThrillSeeker on Youtube)

Overall I'd say the Quest 2 is a really good upgrade over the Quest if you don't mind the FB enforcement, but for PCVR, the Rift S is apparently still a better choice (as long as your IPD is somewhere between 60 and 68 mm)

[carmine wharf]

whats the best way to measure my ipd at home? i forgot to ask the optometrist to do it

[haughty thistle]

I've read an article today about a possible new Vive Focus coming up, and in one part they did mention how it would be comparable to the Q2, and they called the main purpose of the Quest 2 to be data collection (the article is in german, otherwise I'd share it)

[carmine wharf]

you can still share it

we just wont be able to read it :)

[haughty thistle]

whats the best way to measure my ipd at home? i forgot to ask the optometrist to do it
@carmine wharf You take a ruler and take it to the mirror, alighn the 0 mark with your left eye, while your right eye is close. You then close your left eye, open your right eye and put a finger to the closest line to the center of your right eye. Take away the ruler and read what line you put your finger against

[carmine wharf]

why do i have to close my eyes to do it?

[haughty thistle]

I've read an article today about a possible new Vive Focus coming up, and in one part they did mention how it would be comparable to the Q2, and they called the main purpose of the Quest 2 to be data collection (the article is in german, otherwise I'd share it)
The article I mentioned: https://mixed.de/htc-neue-vive-brille-steht-in-den-startloechern/
(just paste the URL in Google Translate to get a rough translation)

why do i have to close my eyes to do it?
@carmine wharf To get a more accurate reading. You want to measure the center of your eyes, but when both eyes are open, they converge slightly, which will offset the reading depending on how far or close you are to the mirror

[carmine wharf]

ah ok

hm wonder what that new headset is going to be like

[haughty thistle]

HTC already mentioned that with newer headsets they'll go straight for the buisiness solutions. No more consumer headsets from HTC (so headsets in the price-range of XTAL and Varjo)

[bold plank]

guys im trying to install oculus home but it keep saying " error, please restart your pc"

i did several times

[carmine wharf]

you have enough space for it?

[bold plank]

of course

[carmine wharf]

its like 18gb

[haughty thistle]

Oculus Home by default tries to install on the C: drive. There's a console command to install it on another drive

[bold plank]

it says 9 gb but still i have like 50gb left on my c and plenty on others

[haughty thistle]

But using said command can cause issues during installation

Yeah, Oculus Home probably wants to reserve some storage for applications (since they also install to the same folder as the Oculus installation), and that might cause the problem

Other then that, I have no clue

[carmine wharf]

when i moved oculus from my C: drive to my D: drive i got like 20gb back on my C: drive

[bold plank]

somehow it says it needs 9gb but only downloads 5

on online forums from oculus they said turn off firewall and anti virus but idk about that

[carmine wharf]

its compressed

thats why

[visual mesa]

You ever just get to thye last minute in a song and your pc decides to fucking hard crash?

[bold plank]

it got installed on different drive. thanks

[weak prawn]

@weak prawn hey mine also says 2.7 instead of 5 but works just fine one my friend's PC, have you just tried to lunch Oculus Link?
@ashen ferry did and it's just black, so I read some of the reviews that were 1 star on the wire and they had the same issue it to when they would try to connect to oculus beta mode or link it would just turn black

[ashen ferry]

Oh

@weak prawn Have you noticed if you're controller where tracked in SteamVR but not you're Head, and having PC sound in the oculus worked? because me its doing this, the ONLY things that doesn't works are Head Tracking and of course Black Screen, I also see the Guarian when theres the black screen

[gloomy crater]

man, if a company other than facebook broke into the standalone headset market, I'd be ecstatic. I'm probably gonna end up getting a quest 2 bc it's pretty much the only solution to having to travel a lot and not being able to take your whole PCVR setup with you everywhere. But if a company other than facebook made a headset to serve the same purpose, I'd buy it in a heartbeat

[bold plank]

is it possible to play vr games from origin launcher?

im trying to use the quest 2 with it but it keeps using the game like it is running on the pc not vr

steamvr works fine but i have few games from the origin i want to try in vr

[regal breach]

guys im trying to install oculus home but it keep saying " error, please restart your pc"
@bold plank Disconnect your headset and then try to install. Failing that, disable windows defender.

[bold plank]

it worked ty

i just changed the install folder

[regal breach]

I needed 7 attempts to get it working, couldn't get it to install on a different drive than C though.

[gentle coral]

I'm really angry that Samsung hasn't done a standalone competitor as I know they have the tech, or one of the WMR headset makers. If they could get the WMR tracking tor run on a mobile chip it would definitely be doable.

My current goal will be to finish my setup for my Reverb G2, and then start building my VR backpack computer.
I will need to make a custom CPU vapor chamber, and custom GPU vapor chamber which will be very annoying.

Then I will have a decent stand alone VR gaming setup.

[bold plank]

Running vr games from origin is really weird

When using oculus link, im able to only view the screen and not actually interact with the games

[gentle coral]

Also I can't wait to finally get a 2k x 2k per eye headset. Though I hope soon everything will be shrunk down as I know it can. In 2017 I tried kopins 2k x 2k vr headset prototype and it was amazing (those screens were 1 inch 120hz OLED's whereas the Reverb screens are 2.89 inch 90hz LCD's.

https://www.kopin.com/kopin-debuts-lightning-oled-microdisplay-with-2k-x-2k-resolution-for-mobile-vr-at-2017-ces/

This would mean that if you wanted you could currently make a headset with 6k x 6k per eye resolution (12k x 6k total) in slightly more area then the Reverb G2, or slightly less area then the index. Also due to having multiple screens it could have the screens in a non planar arrangement which would allow for much higher FOV. Now the optics would be hard to do as they would need to account for the gaps, but it is doable. But would probably cost about 10000 dollars in parts if you get everything correct on your first try. At scale a headset of this design would probably cost about 3000 dollars in parts. A more practical version would be a 5k x 5k per eye system that uses 4 of their new 1.3 inch 2560x2560 oled 1000nit screens.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oled-info.com/kopin-announces-first-commercial-orders-its-oled-backplane-wafers%3Famp

This would probably only cost about 2000 in parts at scale.

[regal breach]

Also I can't wait to finally get a 2k x 2k per eye headset.
@gentle coral As an nVidia and AMD shareholder, I too can not wait for this either 😄

[harsh niche]

almost like Facebook except if you get banned your computer still works

[weak prawn]

@weak prawn Have you noticed if you're controller where tracked in SteamVR but not you're Head, and having PC sound in the oculus worked? because me its doing this, the ONLY things that doesn't works are Head Tracking and of course Black Screen, I also see the Guarian when theres the black screen
@ashen ferry yeah I can see the gaurdian restrictions, but besides that is all black

[ashen ferry]

Ok

@weak prawn You made sure the USB port you're using is linked to your Dedicated Graphic Card?

[weak prawn]

Actually no, I'll have to link the port

Ill try that thanks

[violet charm]

I want to get vr power for q2

But have heard mixed things about vr power

Anyone here tell me its good or bad?

[carmine wharf]

Doesn't look too bad

Wait so if that one connects via USB C what the fuck does the official battery strap connect with

[weak prawn]

How do I link my usb port with my GPU if I do not have any usbc on gpu card?

[regal breach]

you shouldn't need to.

[regal breach]

okay I'm not up to being able to play Expert yet but omg the BeatSaber Duck Tales map is so much fun 😄

[fathom sigil]

How do I link my usb port with my GPU if I do not have any usbc on gpu card?
@weak prawn you don't need to

[prisma lake]

suggestions for non oculus headsets on the cheaper end

looking for computer run, not self contained

[gaunt hull]

Nada

[bold plank]

guys is it possible to download games from steam to the oculus quest and play them without link ?

like beat saber for example is 20$ on my steam but 40$ on oculus store

[ashen ferry]

OMG

I FINALY made it work

[onyx vault]

so can you play steam games using the oculus quest if you have link cable?

[ashen ferry]

So all I had to do is go in device manager and DISABLE my integrated AMD Radeon Graphic card....
So now VR Problem Solved.
Now a new problem bcs of this, HDMI port for my 2nd display isn't working and EVERYTHING on my screen is lagging even if I use my RTX 2060
Event minecraft wont launch bcs its says that the driver does not appear to support OpenCL

@onyx vault Yeah

[onyx vault]

yo hype

facebook bad but if it can allow me to play minecraft vr then maybe

[ashen ferry]

XD

[onyx vault]

do you have any data on how much facebook tracks you? cause I'm genuinely considering it

[ashen ferry]

I just.... Don't care anymore

[onyx vault]

fair enough

[ashen ferry]

Ok so the now I'm using ONLY my RTX 2060 and anything event games are running badly

like about 5fps

[flat pawn]

Do you have a ryzen cpu with integrated graphics? @ashen ferry

Why would you have an integrated radeon driver if you just have an nvidia card

[ashen ferry]

I have a laptop

And yes the Ryzen is with Itegrated gpu

Ryzen7 4800HS

with RTX 2060 Max-Q

@flat pawn

The problem is if I enable my iGPU then my Oculus link stop working....

but if I don't enable it my games are not working properly (Even Oculus games)

even the desktop is lagging

[flat pawn]

Ah gotcha

That's a bind

[ashen ferry]

So either way I can't play

[flat pawn]

Sounds almost like it isn't even utilizing the nvidia card

[ashen ferry]

Yeah I know

But minecraft is when I tested bcs the difference is huge

up to 200 fps

in all maxed out graphics without shaders

But with a RTX 2060 Max-Q I should have more perfs no?

[flat pawn]

Nvidia drivers up to date?

[ashen ferry]

Oh hell yeah Oculus support made me update it

To be more specific:
Asus ROG Zephyrus G15 (GA502IV)

When I deactivate only the RTX GPU my desktop doesn't lag at ALL

[flat pawn]

That makes sense

The igpu is picking up the slack

[ashen ferry]

Yeah

What the Oculus support told me is that the Oculus is working in tandem with the computer screen

not as a 2nd screen

so if my computer screen use the iGPU which isn't supported by Oculus, then link isn't working, if I disable the iGPU, the link works just fine BUT In Game Its the same as on the Desktop, poor performances

Ohhhhhh thats fucking weird

when i especially deactivated the iGPU

and it is the same when I deactivate the NVidia GPU

only the iGPU shows up

[zinc stone]

im getting oculus headest and this message isnt edited

[harsh niche]

aren't those like really overpriced

[ashen ferry]

Yes they are

[fathom sigil]

Yes

[snow nexus]

@zinc stone I seriously wouldn't recommend any of the vive headsets

I have the HTC Vive, and have tried the HTC odyssey at my friends place

the screen door effect is very apparent and no amount of SS will fix that, one of my Vive wands triggers is squeaky. Odyssey on the other hand.... the tracking is delayed and its really apparent

[zinc stone]

does oculus headsets work with steam?

[snow nexus]

yea

[zinc stone]

ok

[snow nexus]

If I could I would get myself valve index

but if you really hate the facebook oculus thing

just create an fake account

and they can go f themselves

[zinc stone]

ok

[fathom sigil]

just create an fake account
@snow nexus as long as you don't buy and apps with that account

[zinc stone]

sure

[fathom sigil]

Don't buy any games on the oculus store

[zinc stone]

no problem do they track every steam purchase?

[fathom sigil]

And make it a fairly legitimate name

no problem do they track every steam purchase?
@zinc stone i dunno

[snow nexus]

They shouldnt be able to

[zinc stone]

ok

[fathom sigil]

Yeah I'd doubt it

They can barely program the app as it is

[snow nexus]

what oculus headset are you planning on getting anyway?

well

thinking about getting

[fathom sigil]

If you're forgoing making a proper account you might as well just get the quest 2

[zinc stone]

rift s

or quest 2

[snow nexus]

quest 2 is cheaper isnt it?

yep, just checked

[fathom sigil]

And better

But they want your data that's how they make the money

[zinc stone]

but the controllers are werid compared to valve controller

[harsh niche]

so?

[fathom sigil]

I never used any controllers except the go, quest and quest 2

So I can't say yes or no

[snow nexus]

better than the vive ones I would say tho, the vive wands grip start to hurt my hand after a bit

wouldnt know about the index ones, but I would assume they are better

[fathom sigil]

I would hope so since they're so much more expensive 😂

[snow nexus]

I wanna save up and buy either the valve index headset or the controllers, on one hand, I play a lot of assetto corsa so I would like the headset, but at the same time I kinda distance myself from other games because of the controllers on the vive

[sly falcon]

man fuck the quest 2 im getting a used vive

big fan of the vive controllers actually its really rare apperantly

[sullen linden]

I prefer the vive then whatever the quest 2 controllers are

[haughty thistle]

Just a word of caution, if you see anything about something called "DecaGear":
I'm pretty certain it's a scam. All of their profiles have been set up only recently, their websites are all broken and inconsistent, according to their company homepage, they're running a multiplayer game called D.E.C.A, but I can't find a single trace of it on the Internet.
The only thing that gives this whole thing are the additional commits done in the Repos on GitHub, that show some work has been done all the way back in 2018. But that was all work on example and OpenSource projects, and the last publicly visible commit was from 2020-01-09. Way before all the websites and what not have been set up.
You know what they say: If it's too good to be true, then it probably is...
Link to their website, so you can look for yourself: https://www.deca.net/decagear

[zinc timber]

face tracking, finger tracking, some sort of body tracking, 4k per eye, 90hz
$450
seems legit

[fathom sigil]

Yes totally legit

[zinc timber]

oh, and they're a startup, not a multibillion dollar corporation that can subsidize their shit

only $10 to preorder

[fathom sigil]

That's incredible

Shut up and take my money!

[haughty thistle]

Since not everyone picks up the obvious, I figured I'd say it additionally

[carmine wharf]

if it was preorders on some legit site it might be less sketchy

but their own website thats a big red flag

their "logo" also looks very similar to the valve index one but its just a circle

could be legit i guess. ill believe it when i see it

[sand pewter]

has anyone mentioned how the controllers are literally just the index controllers mapped over the oculus touch controllers

[carmine wharf]

Yeah true

They are just oculus controllers but instead of a side trigger its a grip sensor

[haughty thistle]

Interestingly enough one the 2 videos showing off this supposed headset, they have a Rift S in the background of one, and use a Quest in another. Could be just coincidence, but yeah. It just adds to the sketchy-ness imo

[fathom sigil]

In case anyone isn't convinced this is fake, yes this is a scam

[tired oasis]

if only this was real...

it would be a dream

[sly falcon]

looks very legit

looks like ski glasses lmao

[gentle coral]

I am guessing they paid a 3d graphics artist 500 dollars to design a somewhat realistic looking VR headset, and spent a few days building a website. It has realistic specs, but as a startup it has almost no trace to funding which is weird, and no actual press around it which is even more sketchy. A headset of that quality would need probably a few million in investment to get through prototyping, and probably 5 million for a dev kit run.

It isn't suprising that a scam headset of this level is coming out right now.

[carmine wharf]

It isn't suprising that a scam headset of this level is coming out right now.
@gentle coral is it really coming out at all? Haha

[sullen linden]

anyone know any cheap vr builds?

[gentle coral]

Soon I think a good budget vr rig will be - ryzen 5600x, Rtx 3070, 16GB ddr4, x570 motherboard, 1TB nvme SSD, extra hard drive and an ok case. All told it would be about 1600 dollars US.

If you want to go absolute budget right now with upgrade path, ryzen 3100, 1660 ti, x570 with 16GB ram combo, 256 gb nvme ssd, hard drive, crapy case. Would be under 900 dollars.

Though check with others

[regal breach]

That seems kinda overkill.

And yes - the budget version you mentioned should well and truly to it for non-Raytracing titles.

[harsh niche]

budget vr rig - 1600 dollars US.
.

[carmine wharf]

My vr pc is like $800

It was pre-built tho

And I still regret it but whatever

[gentle coral]

Its less then a mac so I consider it budget, everyone i know usually buys computers in the 2000 dollar range. But then again I live in the bay area and everyone has a mac laptop worth at least 1700.

Budget or cheap for me means it can run most vr games decently well, which is what I think those machines can do.

As if you want a machine that meets min spec for VR, and feel sick all the time, I consider that a waste of 700 dollars that could be saved to get something better in a few months to a year.

Also pre builts work sometimes. The first VR dev machine i worked with and still use alot is 850 dollar msi pre-built. It is quite bad, but it works.

My levels for any VR gaming computer are
Budget 800 to 1600
Mid 1600- 2400
High 2400- 3200
Epic 3200- 4000 (you just want to show off, or have a specific need)
Dev machine 4000-8000 (you must be doing more then just gaming to really justify this category).
Anything above 8000 is probably a waste of money for almost all use cases.

[regal breach]

That's just stupid dollars, I never understood the need to spend 3k on a PC - and that's USD I assume too, so that's even mode stupid.

anything above a 3600X w/3070 and 16GB I immediately consider being in the 'high' bracket.

[regal breach]

Okay, I should go back to playing Overwatch - this morning I was like "I'm too worn out to go for a ride today" (after riding 3hrs Wed+Thurs) so instead I played 2.5 hours of BeatSaber... uhh what? 😄

[gentle coral]

Yep 3k or more on just a gaming computer is stupid, unless you also livestream or do actual work that requires high end components (3d modeling, video editing, rendering, AI, etc) you should never really spend over 3k on a machine. Most people should never get a stupidly priced gaming computer as it becomes a waste of hard earned money that could more efficiently go other places.

[soft hound]

I feel inclined to spend 3K+ on a PC now

[carmine wharf]

I'm always inclined to spend 3k on a pc

Wish I had that much :)

[haughty thistle]

I am guessing they paid a 3d graphics artist 500 dollars to design a somewhat realistic looking VR headset, and spent a few days building a website.
@gentle coral looking at their GitHub, at least they have forked a project that could be used for Tracking, but it's more meant for post processing, so it seems to take a few ms to spit out a result. Not good for VR.
Besides that they did some commits on their fork of the Tensor Flow examples Repo. Again, nothing too special, but it shows at least some actual work was put into this. But then again, all of this is from 2019/Jan2020. My guess would be that they actually made a headset, albeit a crappy one and now try to scam people out of their money using it...

[green crypt]

It's just don pay and wait and see if devs/ reviewers get their hands on it. If devs get it it has a high chance to be real

[regal breach]

As far as streaming goes I'd almost be inclined to have a second PC for doing the compositing work if you're going ot be streaming.

[fathom sigil]

They probably tried to make this headset, failed, and didn't want their work to go to waste so they released this crap

Or did they release anything?

[tacit thorn]

im vibing with my quest 2 atm

I got it yesterday

[carmine wharf]

It's just don pay and wait and see if devs/ reviewers get their hands on it. If devs get it it has a high chance to be real
I wouldn't trust that much. Its not hard to send out a headset to advertisers and just not mass produce more of them

Well its hard but I think you know what I mean

[soft hound]

Escobar phone: VR Edition

[carmine wharf]

Yep exactly

[green crypt]

Just saw there are spelling mistakes on the product info "refresh are" it said not rate wanna check later if the pictures of the devs are stock photo's or not as that is the only thing that could give it a chance to be legit if they aren't stock photo's

[carmine wharf]

Do we really even need any more evidence its fake? Lol

[green crypt]

It's hard to know for sure if it's fake i just take most things as a grain of salt of their info

[tacit thorn]

quest 2 review please

[carmine wharf]

There are many already online

[sullen linden]

any good headsets for half life alyx

around £400

ik the lenovo one is cheap

but is it good

[haughty thistle]

The Lenovo Explorer is pretty good for it's price, yeah

Definitely better the the regular Vive Cosmos

[soft hound]

Most things are better than the regular Vive Cosmos lol

[carmine wharf]

Whats wrong with the vive cosmos?

[green crypt]

The inside out tracking on the cosmos is the worst there is

[carmine wharf]

Ah ok

[flat pawn]

how are the controllers

[sullen linden]

rtx 3080 + ryzen 9 5950x + index = vr happy fun times

[flat pawn]

6900xt + 5900x for me I think

[sullen linden]

did amd announce big navi?

[flat pawn]

you think 5950x over 5900x will make that much of a difference in vr?

[sullen linden]

no

[flat pawn]

not yet, just going off leaks for the moment

[carmine wharf]

Rtx 3090 plus i-9 11900k

[sullen linden]

nonononono

wait should I buy a 3090

[flat pawn]

depends

how much do you value vram

[sullen linden]

I mean cant have the vr headset costing more than the card running it

[flat pawn]

why not?

[sullen linden]

idk

I dont value vram

that much

[flat pawn]

then just get a 3080

[sullen linden]

ok then

[carmine wharf]

3080 20gb

Oops, that got cancelled

[flat pawn]

yeah I was about to say

[carmine wharf]

Was gonna get a 3070 16gb but oh well

[flat pawn]

I was either going to get that or 6900xt because I just don't feel comfortable with 10gb vram going into the future

I don't upgrade super often

[carmine wharf]

I run on 6gb vram lol

[flat pawn]

what resolution do you play at

[carmine wharf]

1080p

1440p soon

[flat pawn]

oh then yeah you're fine with 6gb

[gloomy crater]

6900xt because I just don't feel comfortable with 10gb vram going into the future
same. I'm on a 5700xt right now but I'm upgrading for more vram. Only thing is that idk if I want the 6900xt or 6800xt, because the 6900xt is only 8cu more but at the cost of not having any AIB models

so I think I'll go with an AIB 6800xt at 72cu rather than dropping extra on the 6900xt. I think it's like the 3080/3090 situation where one is good and the other is just slightly faster for people who want that max speed

[digital brook]

Will any type c cord work to link the oculus to my pc

[harsh niche]

Oops, that got cancelled
😭

[coarse forge]

my damn oculus rift cord just broke and a new one on ebay cost almost half as much as the damn headset

[flat pawn]

wtf how much did you spend on the headset

[coarse forge]

i bought it for 280 right before the quest 2 came out

but the replacement cord on ebay is around 120

[gray aurora]

The latest beta of the oculus pc software enables the debugger to change encoding bitrate

So my quest 2 pcvr quality has gone up immensely

I've now set it to 500mbps, compared with the 150mbps default

Plus the resolution can be changed, like before

So my quest 2 runs full res and is very close to pcvr.

Native pcvr that is

Obviously not as good as the g2 but the clarity beats the rift s for sure

Just gotta wait for 90hz to be unlocked for link

Thankfully 90hz can be used standalone via side quest usb debugging.

So I have 90hz for beatsaber

[haughty thistle]

Plus the resolution can be changed, like before
@gray aurora That is so called resolution scaling. It's like AA. It doesn't send a higher resolution image down the cable

[gloomy crater]

So can anyone tell me how to actually figure out how charged my index controllers are

Like, I know when you bring up the menu, they have those little green dots on them, but those never change. If my controllers are dead or fully charged, those dots stay the same. So I can't figure out how to tell if my controllers need charged, or if I need to adjust my positioning whenever my controllers drift off into space while playing beatsaber

[haughty thistle]

they have those little green dots on them
You already said it yourself. That's only built-in charge indicator for the Index controllers. But they definetly should change. After about 2h of play time from full charge one of the dots should turn gray.
I usually look at the charge indicators in OVR Toolkit to know how charged my index controllers are. It's a lot more accurate

[digital brook]

So can i use any type c cord with the oculus rift or does it have to be a link

[haughty thistle]

The Rift and Rift S use a propriatary cable, while for Quest Link it's recommended to use the official cable or a high quality USB 3 cable

[carmine wharf]

The latest beta of the oculus pc software enables the debugger to change encoding bitrate
Wait so does this mean I can use the full potential of my 3.0 cable? Cool

[harsh niche]

kind of

it's still not full res and refresh rate though :(

I think they're getting close tho because they're giving link attention

[carmine wharf]

Wdym

My link always runs at full refresh but not full resolution

[harsh niche]

oh forgot you don't have quest 2

or do you

idk

link rn is locked to 72 instead of 90 for q2, and the res is locked to the og rift's

[carmine wharf]

Ah

[gentle coral]

Tyriel Wood one of the VR youtubers just talked about the sketchy headset.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYHHg5FuS3s

I am weirded out only by their lack of funding background, or proper media release about info. Also the cost of production of a headset like that is really high, and based off the actual prototype they have in the videos, they have already spent quite a bit of money (if that isn't another headset in a modded case). Another problem is the price, at a volume of 10,000 units that headset would be probably sold at BOM cost (bill of materials).

The one part that people seem to doubt that I actually can easily believe that a team of 10 could build a headset like that with enough money, as if they have even one unicorn employee they could easily design a decent headset, and if they have an angle investor they can get the money they need. The reason I can believe this is because I have seen it happen many times in Silicon valley, and have been a part of a few of those types of teams. Also the amount of open source stuff they could be using to get the systems they need (tracking, optics, driver board, controllers, etc), means that most of the heavy lifting has been done.

If I felt like designing that style of headset I would have done similar, but I am waiting a few more years to design a headset as the hardware I need is still only in research labs.

[gaunt hull]

What’s a good stater bro headset that you can buy?

Vr*

Starter

[carmine wharf]

Wdym starter? Do you have a vr capable pc?

[gray reef]

If you don’t have a PC, Quest 2

[haughty thistle]

If you don't have a PC, but have a problem with Facebook, get a VR capable PC, then get either a used Vive or older WMR headset. prolly your cheapest non-FB options

[gloomy crater]

IMO, the least I would spend on a VRPC is around $650. That gives enough to get a 3100 and a 5600xt, or whatever the next gen GPU+CPU equivalent is

[gaunt hull]

Will a gtx 970 ryzen 5 3600 run it

Already had pc

[carmine wharf]

Maybe but not well

[gaunt hull]

😦

[green crypt]

the gtx970 is what is called minimum for vr but would upgrade it asap

[gaunt hull]

I would but then I can’t get the vr headset

[sand pewter]

Let’s gooo bois I’m getting a quest 2

I guess I’m gonna have to cancel my index order

[carmine wharf]

Why...

The index is still way better, just slightly lower resolution

[sand pewter]

Don’t care I’ve been waiting on the index for 3 months

Today I walk into Walmart and they have like six of these

[gloomy crater]

I've been looking for a person to pass my index order over to once it gets filled

[regal breach]

So I have 90hz for beatsaber
@gray aurora Got a guide for this?

[gloomy crater]

I placed it back in august so as soon as I can, I'm offering it first come first serve to whoever wants my spot. I'll just dropship it to them

[carmine wharf]

@gray aurora Got a guide for this?
@regal breach wdym?

Oh also ipd got measured today. 64.5

[tacit thorn]

Hey

How How yall going

[harsh niche]

@regal breach there’s a setting in side quest that turns on 90hz but it kills guardian

[gloomy crater]

that's a win win situation in my book

guardian has never been useful imo

[harsh niche]

very useful for me because I forget where i am in half a second and have almost hit my brother in the back of the head like 4 times

[gray aurora]

@haughty thistle I was talking about encode resolution width, not pixel overdrive. Pixel overdrive is SS, encode resolution width should be the resolution. It looks insanely better anyway, not like the moderate improvements of SS.

@harsh niche It doesn't affect my guardian at all.

[harsh niche]

oh

maybe that was only with virtual desktop idk

[drifting gorge]

hey does anyone know if the oculus quest 2 is any good for its price or are there better options for getting into vr

[hushed bramble]

samsung odyssey + has the same price as HTC Vive sosmos in Ukraine...

what a pain

[regal breach]

I'm super happy with mine, as a first-time VR user.

I had been planning to buy a HP G2, but decided to buy a Quest 2 in the interim, to see if VR was something I liked rather than dropping $1200 on something I might not like that much - glad I did because I'm happy with the Q2 so might not even bother with the original plan (ie, sell the quest, upgrade to a g2)

[drifting gorge]

ok thanks, do you use it with the pc connector or standalone because I'm considering recording/streaming with it, and if from what i can see, it doesn't look great

[celest flame]

@regal breach nice, i was also looking into quest 2 as my first VR set

but i have a rtx 3080 and idk if that is compatible with Oculus Link, it's not in the supported table for gpus

i cant find any more information on that either

[regal breach]

Can't see why it wouldn't work, maybe it's just too new to be certified.

[distant ore]

What's with Facebook & VR

Oh, now I know.

[haughty thistle]

Huh... that encoding resolution seems like a new addition. I never knew about this...

[fathom sigil]

I also see no reason for the 3080 not to work

They probably never got their hands on one to test it

[lofty minnow]

hi

[sly falcon]

quick question, so im getting me a replacement vive soon (old one was broken) and ive got a single base station lying around, is it possible to use 3 base stations? or should I flip it

[sly falcon]

these are 1.0s btw its the og model

[sullen linden]

gtx 970 is the index minimum specs

what if

I get a 960

:O

[agile abyss]

anyone seen this https://www.tweaktown.com/news/75874/decagear-1-is-4k-vr-headset-with-face-and-hip-tracking-for-449/index.html

sounds way to good to be true

[flat pawn]

Yeah it's bs

[haughty thistle]

these are 1.0s btw its the og model
@sly falcon Yeah, that's a no. You can only use 1 or 2 1.0 light houses in a single playspace. To use more then 2 lighthouses for a playspace, you'd need the curved front 2.0s. The OG Vive and the black Vive wands are not compatible with 2.0 lighthouses however and you can't mix-and-match these lighthouses

[pale orbit]

https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/featured-tech-news/matthew-wilson/deleting-facebook-now-also-removes-oculus-purchases-and-account-information/

[gloomy crater]

so I've been wondering; what's the least amount of money / least expensive hardware you can buy while still being able to reliably run HLA at max settings + index set to 144hz

[haughty thistle]

Most HW listed as VR capable will be able to, but HLA will autoscale down to half resolution (aka blurry image)
On my 1080Ti and 8700k I run my Index at 90Hz and HLA at Medium Settings to maximize Image clarity, and I don't loose too much Details. the difference between Medium and Ultra Settings in HLA are rather minor, but the performance requirements between the two is pretty sizable. So unless you really need that extra bit of details, I'd suggest sticking to Medium settings for a clearer image and more AA

[gloomy crater]

dang. I guess I can throw that out the window as a reason to justify having a 3900x + 6800xt despite only having a 1080p 60hz monitor

by my calculations, I won't be getting a new panel until next summer. It's on the list after a chair and the 6800xt itself. I thought such high level hardware would be good for SOMETHING but I guess I just won't see until I upgrade my panel

[carmine wharf]

This bad boy in a mobile vr headset haha

[sly falcon]

bruh imagine

[zinc timber]

yeah, but then it would only work with Apple VR apps

[carmine wharf]

Why yes, my favorite apple device. The z fold 2

[zinc timber]

oh lmao i can't read

i thought it was an ipad

[carmine wharf]

Lol what iPad even looks like that tho

[sly falcon]

mini

[mild sky]

guys

My vive just came in but I have no roomto use it

but I wanted it

and I also don't really have the funds to spend on it (I mean, I paid for it, just a lot going on and 1k extra in the pocket is nicer cushion)

bleh, i need to find a new place to live lol

[gray reef]

Oof, base stations are the reason I prefer Oculus products (and the new Reverb G2) to most other headsets

[sly falcon]

I im going for a vive for the controllers ngl

I just rlly like them for some reason

[mild sky]

I want the vive due to the base stations. I just live in a bedroom

with my wife

we currently have our vive original (got it really cheap used, like new) and it works well despite

I'm just not going to open the index until we move

[carmine wharf]

How does the index wireless adaptor work

Oops

I meant vive

[mild sky]

no clue, didn't know it was a thing

and do you mean like, how, or how well

[carmine wharf]

How

How does it provide power

How does it connect

[mild sky]

does it not say? is that even an official thing?

[carmine wharf]

Yes

Htc sells it on their website

[mild sky]

looks like battery powered

[gray reef]

How does it provide power
@carmine wharf I’m pretty sure it has a battery

[carmine wharf]

For that tiny ass thing? How

[mild sky]

comes with a power bank

I mean, phones and such are powered by such things already. it's not that amazing

I doubt you get very long playtime though

[carmine wharf]

Ah so it comes with a battery you strap to yourself, and it uses its own pcie wireless card for communication

[mild sky]

yeah, just saw that too

requiring its own pcie is a bit oof, but I mean, if it works well, that's not a huge deal

[carmine wharf]

It supposedly works well

[mild sky]

I'd hope so

it costs more than I bought my vive for

[carmine wharf]

$150?

You got a cheap vive lol

[mild sky]

says 299$

[haughty thistle]

You have to keep in mind with the Vive Wireless Adapter, you can use pretty much any Powerbank, as long as it supports at least Qualcomm Quick Charge 3. Because the Wireless adapter pretends to be a phone charging through this protocol, except it uses the power for the 60GHz Wireless and for the 12V power it sends to the headset

Other then that, the Vive Wireless adapter works in a pretty similar fashion to Virtual Desktop on the Quest, except that HTC uses a seperate card for the encoding of the image, encodes at the native resolution of the headset and uses a way higher bandwidth for fewer compression artifacts. All of that while having lower latency thanks to the 60GHz wireless and the dedicated encoding HW

[carmine wharf]

Man if oculus put hardware into the quest to do wireless with a wigig card id pay so much money for it

Same with the index

[soft brook]

I think the Quest 2 has pretty good wireless. Supports wifi 6 and people said its almost as good as going with a cable.

[mild sky]

i'm never buying tech from facebook

[gloomy crater]

if a different standalone headset comes out before the world opens back up and I have to start travelling again, I probably won't ever buy tech from facebook again either

[carmine wharf]

Google cardboard is a standalone headset

Lol

[flat pawn]

Bruh

[sand pewter]

yo typing this from inside my quest 2

[harsh niche]

swag

[carmine wharf]

My new glasses get here in 10-14 business days

Lit

[young marten]

I use my iPhone for full body vr but the viewer I use has lens distortion off the wazoo.

[gentle coral]

Wifi 6 vs wigig 60Ghz is no comparison in terms of latency and bandwidth wigig blows wifi 6 out of the water. Though there are issues with wigig, and wifi 6 fixed a lot of issues that wifi 5 (802.11ac wave 2) had in terms of cleaning up and optimising network traffic. The current problem is the cost of high speed wifi 6 routers and access points.

Theone good thing is laptop wifi 6 cards are already under 80 dollars and are a great upgrade if you already have one of the routers, or use internet at someplace that does.

[uncut lintel]

Quick question: Do I need a Wi-Fi 6 router as a middleman or a Wi-Fi 6 wireless antenna (pcie) to connect directly with the quest 2?

[winged kettle]

Hi for what I read around it is better to use a router

[rustic garnet]

I guess you could set the computer up as a mobile hotspot?

Which should eliminate at least one network transfer

im using a fourteen ish year old router tho so get a second opinion

[haughty thistle]

Using a Wifi Card meant for receiving Wifi Signals as your access point for VD is not recommended, as it can cause all kinds of issues with routing.
What I just did is I used our old Wifi Router as a seperate Wifi access Point just for VD. It's still not as perfect as via a cable (the image is softer, more compression artifacts and noticably more latency), but at least it's playable

[rustic garnet]

as i said second opinion

[haughty thistle]

[fresh berry]

Ordered it in may

[haughty thistle]

Oh damn'. That much backed up?

The orders I mean...

[fresh berry]

Sorta they are going fast now tho

[haughty thistle]

I'm thankful I committed to getting the Index back during the initial Pre-Order Phase. Got mine in July last year

[fresh berry]

Well I got two in January so I didn’t really care

[young marten]

I ordered my index September 2nd and I might get it mid November. So about 12 weeks now for the wait time in North America.

[sly falcon]

ok so lets say I have $300 and I fucking hate touch controllers, should I get a used vive or a brand new quest 2, like can I pull some strings to get vive controllers to work in quest 2 steamvr (I have base stations)

I will not settle for touch controllers they are the bane of my existence

[carmine wharf]

Honestly a used vive is probably higher resolution when you compare it to oculus link

[sly falcon]

damn ok sounds epic

[harsh niche]

virtual desktop is full res and 90hz right now

link will have that soon

[haughty thistle]

"Full Res"
it will still look slightly blurry, and the Latency is no where near a native connection. It is usable, but not usable enough for BeatSaber I'd say...

[carmine wharf]

Wait if oculus link is full res 90hz now will I get full res 72hz soon?

[harsh niche]

no

virtual desktop is 90hz

"Full Res"
it will still look slightly blurry, and the Latency is no where near a native connection. It is usable, but not usable enough for BeatSaber I'd say...
and no it doesn't look blurry at all for me

i can't even notice compression at all unless there's a ton of particles

and that's even on virtual desktop

link would obviously look better because it doesn't go over the air

and beatsaber is perfectly fine

even on virtual desktop

i'm just having some performance and stuttering issues but i'm still finding the bitrate sweetspot

[haughty thistle]

Have you actually tried anything native, like ever?
BeatSaber is unplayable for me through VD. The latency is just too great for me to hit the notes properly

And like I mentioned earlier, the router I'm using is totally overkill for VD

[gloomy crater]

I've been playing on index for weeks, but when I tried playing on Q1 over VD a few days ago to see how it fared vs. my native PCVR experience, all I could really differentiate was the refresh rate and display resolution differences. The latency wasn't really enough for me to notice, so I didn't take note of it

Maybe that's just cause I played over link so long that I'm subconsciously used to the latency from VD, but idk

[harsh niche]

Have you actually tried anything native, like ever?
BeatSaber is unplayable for me through VD. The latency is just too great for me to hit the notes properly
yes, and the difference is barely noticeable

and I have my bitrate on vd set fairly low so the latency isn't that bad

still can't notice the compression tho

why?

and i downloaded vrchat on the quest itself and it was performing like crap

think it's really new though so idk

what does it have to do with vr though

..

[sly falcon]

anyone else have issues with quest + link preforming like ass in steamvr games is this intentional or is it an issue with me using a USB 2.0 cable

I checked when I had my vive and it preformed way better than quest + link

[haughty thistle]

and i downloaded vrchat on the quest itself and it was performing like crap
@harsh niche VRchat in a nutshell. It takes a top of the line High-End Gaming PC to run VRC properly, so what would you make think that a mobile chip would be capable of running it? Yes, the Quest version is stripped down, but worlds out there for the Quest Version are equally optimized as the PC versions. Aka most of them not at all

[flat pawn]

1080Ti seems to run vrc acceptably

[haughty thistle]

anyone else have issues with quest + link preforming like ass in steamvr games is this intentional or is it an issue with me using a USB 2.0 cable
@sly falcon That's probably because of the overhead that Oculus Home gives. I noticed about half the framerates on my OG Quest compared to my Index

[sly falcon]

yeah its wierd

[flat pawn]

That's not really top of the line high end anymore

[sly falcon]

can I prevent this im tryna run h3 on high

[haughty thistle]

Well, the 1080Ti used to be highest end 2 generations back

[flat pawn]

Also I have a 4th gen i7

[haughty thistle]

And that's the card I'm rocking currently too (plus an i7 8700k)

[sly falcon]

also VRC runs fine for me on a 1650 + 1050ti when I had my vive

[flat pawn]

Heck yeah 1080Ti gang

[sly falcon]

I used to play it alot when I had my vive

now I just use rec room because it preforms better

[flat pawn]

I do plan on upgrading to 6800/6900xt though

And 5900x

[haughty thistle]

Meanwhile I'm still trying to get my hands on a 3080 FE xD

[flat pawn]

Dude good luck

[sly falcon]

ive got around 300 dollars should I get quest 2 or used vive, I hate the touch controllers

[flat pawn]

Tbh if stock issues weren't as big as they were I would have an nvidia card in my hand right now and not cared about what AMD had to offer