hexed wind
Jk, exercise is a good one. Another is it improves hand eye coordination also its next level with gaming in my experience its a lot better community (less toxic).
It depends on what you want to use it for if your not buying it then go for the oculus rift s its going to be "future proof" for a while due to the tech inside and the cost is better value for money.
Me, I'm getting the index mainly due to the upfront cost for me is only 115 more (sold my csgo skins) and the tech inside is better.
slow wren
Guys, so I'm thinking about getting a used HTC Vive until the Valve Index is out. It's available for about 450€ where I live. Do you think it's worth it?
shell zodiac
i think you should get a rift s
twilit sage
It really depends on what you want
Do you want better visuals or controllers?
Because you can get the Index controllers for the Vive, which are fuckin amazing. I would pick up a VIVE and then the Index controllers later
slow wren
@twilit sage I'll think about that thx
hexed wind
@slow wren get a rift s or just waitfor the index i had a vive and for the same money u can get a lot better unit
sand swan
I think rift s is going the wrong direction in terms of them reducing the framerate
But idk, I haven't tried it
surreal tide
I agree, but it's not too much of a deal breaker
void grove
I did the SteamVR benchmark for funsies...
void grove
I know, the score is only that low because I had a youtube video running.
This was my actual score.
ocean current
I just bought VR and tested if it worked that way, and so it did
void grove
Yeah, waiting for the Rift S to release on tuesday. 
full lotus
I really hope they release a proper rift successor at somepoint
The rift S was pretty disappointing tbh
full lotus
100%
I mean don't get me wrong, the rift S is great for those who don't want the hassle of sensors etc.
But its a complete side-grade, not an upgrade.
No hardware IPD adjustment, LCD panels instead of OLED, lower refresh rate, no proper built in headphones
Yeah the resolution bump is nice but thats literally the only thing.
And I WISH they had at least given the OPTION to use sensors.
Inside out tracking is great for those who want to plug and play. But it does still have limitations compared to sensor based tracking
The main VR game I play is Echo Arena/Echo combat and even little things like not being able to hold onto walls behind my back is a deal breaker for me
surreal tide
I get that they're trying to appeal to the average consumer or whatever but halting production of the og oculus rift MONTHS before the new one comes out is such a ballsy move and it's really unnecessary
broken horizon
has anyone been using their VR for something other than BeatSaber and VRchat, cuz i haven't lol
full lotus
@broken horizon I play echo arena/echo combat quite a lot
thats the main thing that keeps me coming back
broken horizon
cool i'll check it out
soft hound
@broken horizon Elite: Dangerous, other than that, I almost always play VRChat, and a bit of Beat Saber
void grove
Ah, i finally cleared a good spot in my room for vr!
😃
I just need to remove a chair, vacuum some more and wash my sheets.
😌
ocean current
Why does that first tutorial sound like a softtonic ad?
void grove
Lel
Also the oculus demo site has been updated.
But it doesn't list it as the Rift S for some reason
next rain
The Oculus rift s 👀
gentle coral
@broken horizon
The setup I take care of gets a lot of tilt brush , and superhot vr use.
I personally play quite a bit of Raw Data as I like their bow implementation.
We also run our own custom built games as the machine is also a dev machine. Testing VR games gives a whole new meaning to game breaking bugs, that are actually more sickening then they are annoying.
void grove
I tried the Microsoft rift s demo
They seemed to kick me off in a hurry.
I played the beat saber tutorial and the first song.
The headset barely fit me. But it was fine for the most part.
void sky
Probably been posted before but I only recently found this particular excerpt from an interview with Jason Rubin RE: why Oculus felt it wasn't the right time for Rift 2.
He makes some excellent points, some are expected and some unexpected (at least I didn't see it this way)
Article:
https://www.roadtovr.com/oculus-explains-timing-rift-2-rift-pro/
They link to the video if you would like to watch the whole discussion, though it is a bit boring (IMO), I would suggest just reading the article.
ocean current
Would've been funny if it failed that check lmao
void grove
What's a good game that's worth getting for $20 that isn't Beat Saber?
oh, beat saber's price is raised on the Oculus store now.
It wasn't earlier.
cosmic sky
Is the 'S' for 'Similar'?
I'm wondering if the 'S' will do well now that the Quest is on the scene.
Or if any of them will do well at all in general.
hexed notch
its the s for "why on earth did you lower the refreSh rate and downgrade to lcd"
hexed notch
at least the resolution is higher
the rift s makes me want a valve index
but my wallet has made the decision for me 😦
cosmic sky
The S could also be for Slightly Smaller System Simply Sold to Selected Suckers?
hexed notch
tbf according to tested, it is a better experience
cosmic sky
Oculus should have been bought by Microsoft. Imagine what would we could be living in now. Tens of people with Xbox Ones playing Minesweeper VR.
hexed notch
eh
windows mixed reality proves that we shouldnt expect much from microsoft's vr team
cosmic sky
I liked it at the time when I first used it.
However I hear support on that is bottom barrel.
hexed notch
ofc
also unlike what microsoft has done before, the wmr controller is absolutely the worst
cosmic sky
Well at this point they're far back.
cosmic sky
Yeah, very interested in playing it.
surreal tide
I would look into getting an index but my PC probably isn't good enough
At least when I ran the test thing
void grove
The rift s is fine, but i just don't really have any games to play rn.
Might check out viveport tho.
soft hound
So HTC is giving it out to owners of basically all non WMR VR headsets, except for their own headsets??
It's the small things like this where I am sad that I have a Vive over other headsets
@void grove Play VRChat lol, it's easy to run, and is basically all I play anymore
soft hound
Yeah, Rec Room paintball is great
surreal tide
Hmm
void grove
surreal tide
To each their own, I guess
void grove
Do you play with teleport or joystick?
surreal tide
Joystick
surreal tide
Ah, okay
I'd also suggest looking through the free to play vr games as there are some hidden gems (tho most of them are shitty unity asset messes)
void grove
I like "The Hard Way", that was fun, but it took me 7 minutes to complete it.
Might try VR chat later.
surreal tide
Rubber ball vr is a good small game to just relax and mess around in
void grove
Is budget cuts out yet?
Because that demo has been out since the vive launch
Oh, it released last year.
Thought so...
But it has mixed reception
cosmic sky
Yeah I played it.
It's not really 'great'.
Lots of good parts of the game but it's essentially a larger version of the demo.
It doesn't feel refined enough, ends a bit too soon as well.
The game also broke on me several times.
surreal tide
I tried to play it but the throwing is (or at least was) broken on wmr
cosmic sky
Throwing in Vive also didn't work well.
surreal tide
Really? I always thought it was just a thing with wmr
cosmic sky
In this game it tended in my experience not to work well.
void grove
Downloading NEKOPALIVE rn. 
gleaming grove
What games do you get with the Rift S and Quest?
whole fossil
do you mean cross buy?
surreal tide
I think he meant like how the og rift came with free games like robo recall
void grove
Rift S gets you quill and oculus medium after you setup it up on your pc.
Quest just gives you a few demos.
One of them is beat saber though
void grove
Ye, even had a marvel bundle at some point
Lucky's Tale didn't really come with rift, it was just a free game in the oculus store.
I should probably play that.
surreal tide
🤔
void grove
I like Super Lucky's Tale, but I'm bad at video games and couldn't beat the final boss.
void grove
surreal tide
Oh, Quill is just some fuckin painting thing
void grove
Yeah, and medium doesn't look that great either
hexed notch
does it not give you robo recall?
void grove
Nope
gritty hound
IcebladeNetworkToday at 3:16 PM
Rift S gets you quill and oculus medium after you setup it up on your pc.
Rift S Duo packs, and Robo recall
void grove
I've tried The Climb, feels too gimmicky for my tastes
wooden token
Anyone else having issues with Robo Recall in Rift S? When I release the trigger to throw a robot after I grab him, it does nothing.
Rift S is a way, WAY better than expected visual clarity bump, btw. Amazing.
Never mind. The issue is that there is just far more travel with the grip and trigger buttons. Wow, these suck.
sullen linden
You only got it for free when you ordered the original rift. I don't know about the rift s though
void grove
Robo recall was only free with the original touch controllers
pearl imp
Yea?
vapid depot
Should i save money and buy a eGPU with a rift s or just go for a quest?
void grove
shell zodiac
in my opinion you should get a rift s its overall better and i doubt it people would want to bring their 400$ expensive vr machine outside of their home anyway
hexed notch
Well you don't have a tether, so you do have some more freedom
There is one issue with the old rift (that isn't an issue with the s) that laptops don't have enough USB ports for all the sensors, but besides that I'd go for the egpu setup
Oh one other issue is that for some poorly made vr games you need to have it run on a display connected to the egpu otherwise it doesn't work properly (usually vr racing games only)
sand swan
I really want a quest so I can play beat saber at work
$500 though... For a game I already have
hexed notch
yea
cosmic sky
So does anyone have any idea how well Quest is selling?
After release nobody on my feed seems to be talking about it or making videos about it.
hexed notch
its smartphone vr
void grove
Smartphone VR that can play beat saber*
hexed notch
still
all the vr reviewers were like neat and stopped
and everyone else is waiting for theirs to ship
void grove
Udacity has free VR courses now. 
surreal tide
Ooh
void grove
I don't think so...
The Quest store lists three games as "coming soon". But I don't think they're available for Rift yet either.
kindred rose
pavlov is confirmed for quest. In fact you can side-load the open alpha.
midnight oracle
so i got the rtx 2088 ti now i need a vrheadset
void grove
Index
hexed notch
^
shell zodiac
@midnight oracle yo can you buy me a house with all your leftover money
how can people afford 2080 tis
hexed notch
the way you do it is you decide to set aside money 3 years in advance
or have an incredible job
that works too
gentle coral
Or ask nividia nicely (it works quite well)
hexed notch
yea not sure about that one
gentle coral
I know a number of startups and devs who have gotten stuff donated straight from nividia. But you need to give them a reason for it.
gentle coral
But it is true that 1000 dollars is absurd
That card is more expensive than a low to mid tier full VR computer
surreal tide
That's twice the price of my whole pc
Just to have slightly better reflections on battlefield 5
midnight oracle
@shell zodiac i dont have a house for me to live in
void grove
Is the level editor for beat saber just for custom beat maps, not new songs?
sand swan
You can put in your own songs
There's plenty of beat maps/songs already made though with the modders level editor
void grove
But I meant the official one
sand swan
Official one should work with your own songs too
rapid nacelle
I swear, I will find then strangle whoever mapped Angel Voices on expert+
No matter what I instantly lose at 4:30
void grove
rapid nacelle
I've beaten every single other level on expert+ in beat saber
soft hound
Angel Voices, easy stuff right there lol
Embraced by the Flame on Expert+ is another story, though not the hardest out there
twilit sage
I have yet to beat a Expert+ level :(
twilit sage
I have beaten one but it was just an expert level tbh
surreal tide
Ah
sand swan
Just hit the blocks
soft hound
I've beaten, uh, at least 100 expert+ levels lol
surreal tide
owo
sinful pewter
hexed notch
goddamn
i want it more now
single cable vr?
1440p144
🤤
hopefully the controls will be better by launch
shell zodiac
1000$ 😔
hexed notch
i mean 1440p144hz screens each cost 340-400$
gleaming grove
surreal tide
E
gleaming grove
Quest is getting more worth it now 😃
upper kernel
The HMD Odyssey+ is 299$ us right now - is it worth it at that price?
void grove
🤔
upper kernel
idk if windows mixed reality headsets are good tho
void grove
You're better off saving up the extra $100 and getting a Rift S IMO
upper kernel
yea that's what I thought
twilit sage
Not really
The controllers are leagues better on Oculus
but the screen on the O+ is much better
I'd go with the Oculus, but the 80Hz LCD screen is what pushes me back.
also what kept me from selling my OG rift
upper kernel
also the rift s has no IPD adjustment
hexed notch
Apparently the lenses are better now so its not a huge problem
surreal tide
Honestly the 80hz is the only thing that throws me off
Mostly because of how unnecessary it is
hexed notch
Oh hey
No the idea was same spec requirement as original even with the increased res
shell zodiac
most people dont notice a difference
hexed notch
Yes
It's cheaper tho to have just a low refresh option
Also see valve index
90, 120, or 144
surreal tide
True
hexed notch
Oh it also does 80
surreal tide
oh?
gentle coral
@hexed notch your price estimate for the screens is actually way off. The screens they are using are 65 dollars each at low scale, and at a larger scale are probably closer to 50 dollars a screen.
I know this because valve seems to be using very similar screens to the leap motion project North star screens.
These are the screens project north star is currently using.
https://www.smart-prototyping.com/Display-for-Project-North-Star-3_5inch-1440x1600-pixels
A good thing to remember is that unlike consoles (which have a constant revenue stream from games), these devices need to make money (at least for now). Almost all of the current main teir consumer VR and AR headsets, cost about 50% or less of their total price to build.
I would currently estimate that the index costs about $240 dollars to build each one.
Also a little note is that the 144hz overclock is not the full overclock if they are the same BOE screens, the technical limit is actually 240hz, but the pixels will probably not last as long.
hexed notch
by screen i meant monitor
the expensive bit in a monitor/screen is the controller (usually)
also i would suspect those lcds are not natively low persistance
gentle coral
Oh, true those are a bit more expensive than vr screens (especially G-Sync driver boards).
gentle coral
No idea, as it seems like a great idea, it will probably happen. And a few features nessasary are already integrated into vr display driver boards, as well as the steamvr and oculus software.
sand swan
I'd rather we start adopting things like eye tracking + foveated rendering so we can just run all games at Max fps without needing overkill hardware
No need for gsync if you can run 120 fps consistently
whole fossil
Eye tracking for vr is going to be trippy but really damn cool
gleaming grove
Yeah when Eye tracking because the norm then it would be so dope and easy to get into VR
whole fossil
also just being able to see where people are seeing in vrchat will be neat
and also picking up objects will be easier
surreal tide
Imagine staring contests in vr
whole fossil
I really would love to mess with eye tracking in ue4
hope there will be one standard sdk for eye tracking kinda like steam vr
gleaming grove
@whole fossil Why would picking up stuff be easier?
whole fossil
the game knows what your looking at so you can just grab
gleaming grove
What if I don't want to grab what I am looking at?
whole fossil
well then the dev can make it so if your controller is also kinda pointing at the obj
surreal tide
Ehh, I feel like that would be weird
And kinda unnecessary
Imo
But there are other uses for eye tracking that would be nice
Like more accurate aiming in shooter games
sand swan
IDK how helpful that would be. Plenty of people are already crazy accurate in VR shooters, just takes a little practice.
tall helm
im planning to buy a vr headset but theres so many idk which one my budget is about 400
i can go a bit higher
sand swan
The new Rift s is $400. Could probably find a used original rift for cheap as well
hexed notch
what sort of pc do you have?
manic otter
pls chg lmgfloatbot song
its pewdiepie congratulation i hate that bcause it basically point us indian
next rain
what
soft hound
cough This is the VR channel cough
hexed wind
i... i dono
ornate plaza
Occulus or rift
surreal tide
HTC or Vive?
gleaming grove
Valve or Index?
void grove
Samsung or odyssey?
surreal tide
Google or Cardboard?
shell zodiac
Hotel or Trivago?
twilit sage
Yes or no?
next rain
0 or 1?
soft hound
To be or not to be?
dire monolith
Wow, I'm little surprised by the fact that a 750ti is capable of doing VR, it was really choppy on my 780 when I tried to run some VR games on it with my Vive. Although, my XPS's 1050 ran quite good on small VR games.
gleaming grove
So you need to buy all the games again if you get the Quest?
ocean current
I wanna play VRChat now...
dry crown
@soft hound no i wasnt i was just using headset no trackers
^^ this was configing the headset to be able to use the 750 ti
shell zodiac
what a madlad
strange tusk
amber wing
dusty loom
I need to see a video of that guy accidentally beating up seat neighbors playing E+ in Beat Saber
fringe agate
That madlad was playing flight simulator in vr
Labo vr is google cardboard made by Nintendo
dusty loom
does Apple have bootleg VR?
young marten
Google cardboard for their iphones
tall helm
should i get the oculus rift s?
ive never played vr
well only once but that was years ago and only for a few mins
hexed notch
do you have something specific you want to do?
lean kelp
Alright so here's my predicament
I love VR, but right now I use PSVR as a means to play my games
I don't have that much space, but I can make space for a 7x7ft play area
The problem is that I have nowhere to put cameras where they would be most accessible or have a useful placement
I want to get a Rift S to compensate for the poor camera placement, however I do see it has slightly lower reviews. Can anyone enlighten me?
If anyone can help out then just @ me because I'll prolly forget to check back lmao
viscid elbow
i should start saving for next year's hardware
the low res of the rift is starting to bum me out a bit
lean kelp
@viscid elbow which Rift
viscid elbow
the regular one
lean kelp
Ah
viscid elbow
but in response to your quandry
lean kelp
I think the S is the best value from my research of all the headsets
viscid elbow
I'd think that if you're satisfied with psvr, you won't have any issues with the downsides the Rift S has
and it's the only thing that fits your needs
assuming you've ruled out the Quest
lean kelp
I recently upgraded to a 1080ti so I don’t want as many graphical issues
The PSVR is great but the tracking is severely limited and the graphics of some games are really really stressing the thing out
All of which is alleviated, or at least significantly helped, by the Rift S
If I didn’t have a 1080ti then I’d get a quest without a second thought
viscid elbow
the only thing I'd be concerned about with the S is tracking for archery games
since the headset will lose sight of the hand drawing the bow
lean kelp
I don’t think it could get any worse than the PSVR for archery
How does Blade and Sorcery work for it
Like how is the tracking
viscid elbow
haven't tried it
lean kelp
What about action games that use a sword and other melee weapons
viscid elbow
but I've played a lot of In Death, and it's great
viscid elbow
it's great for gun games, especially given the shape of the touch controllers
I always feel a disconnect when using swords
well, usually
the tracking itself is good, but I think I can't get away from expecting tactile feedback
that said, I do always feel like shield work really well
in any game
I always have a strong sense of how well I'm covering ymself
viscid elbow
I've had it for a couple years
lean kelp
The Rift S
lean kelp
Oh
I thought you did my bad
Did you play someone else’s?
You sound like you owned one so I was assuming
viscid elbow
oh, no I was just answering based on my og rift
and what I've gleaned from stuff I've watched about the S
which was mostly from tested
lean kelp
I feel like I’d be satisfied with the S, honestly
viscid elbow
it checks all the boxes
but I still keep trying to come up with a way I could get and justify the $1000 for an Index
then again, I'm not sure how comfortable a 2070 would be running one
surreal tide
I would get an index but I am almost 100% sure that a 1050ti couldn't run it
Same reason why I'm not looking at the Reverb/Samsung Odyssey
shell zodiac
if you have a 150ti you should probaby get a rift s
lean kelp
What should be the first game I get once my Rift S gets here
Not beat saber because I want a true PC VR experience
lean kelp
The main games I want are Blade and Sorcery, Arizona Sunshine, Raw Data, H3VR, and Beat Saber so I can use custom blades instead of the PSVR ones
and Boneworks whenever it releases
lean kelp
What game would you say has the best shooting?
tribal bronze
Does anyone know if the Knuckle Controllers are compatible with the Wireless Vive?
I read conflicting reports.
sand swan
The controllers will work with a Vive just fine
The wireless adapter will not work on the index though
Valve might come out with a solution at some point though, so idk
Also the quest can be modded to play steamvr games, using a router sorta as the wireless adapter. So it's possible someone could make something to work with the index
sand swan
Bandwidth will probably more of a problem than latency. I've heard the Vive pro can barely manage wireless at 90hz
And Index is at 120hz
Though I guess you could just run the index at a lower framerate
upbeat jacinth
Oh rip
ivory parrot
Oculus quest. Is it any good?
wraith oak
I wish I could sell my Vive
but nobody wants it because they are smart with their money
gleaming grove
yare??
wraith oak
they are*
surreal tide
Yare yare daze
gleaming grove
sand swan
I sold my broken original Vive lol
soft hound
Define broken
sand swan
It would not display anything and get really hot
The Vive pro had just come out at the time so I sold it for parts and got that
young marten
who bought a broken vive? Did they buy it to take apart or something?
midnight flax
@ivory parrot the quest is pretty good
the tracking works really well, and the controllers feel natural to hold
the games in the oculus store are kinda scarce, but nothing a bit of sideloading can't fix
topaz ridge
Seconded, quest is great for no setup vr gaming
Tracking works really well, I finished a beat saber song on expert + the other day with it 😃
tropic oasis
Not with that spelling you can't.
ocean current
did you break your fingers or are you i dunno special?
tropic oasis
Probable troll 
shell zodiac
ive been thinking about getting vr but i came to the realization that most games can be done with after 1 to 3 days, what do you think about that?
ocean current
buy games that you'll like for more than just 1 to 3 days?
soft hound
Err, there are games that aren't based around story you can play, e.g Beat Saber, VRChat, Rec Room
ocean current
exactly
soft hound
Pavlov Is also pretty good
ocean current
its a fps right?
soft hound
Yes indeed, basically CS:GO VR
shell zodiac
what games do you recommend other than the ones listed above
(that take some time to finish)
ocean current
A-tech cybernetics vr (i think it was)
i mean, it also depends on what content you like
surreal tide
Imagine if someone made surf in vr
soft hound
If you have a powerful enough system, you could also play Elite Dangerous VR
soft hound
Exactly
ocean current
i can play fallout4 VR, but it runs at roundabout 40fps, and thats not the nicest
shell zodiac
what are your specs
livid apex
Guys, r5 3600 and rtx 2060s do you think it will run nice vr?
twilit sage
"Guys, a mid spec Tesla Model X, do you think it will drive on the road nicely?" This is what you're asking
Of course it will run VR well, look at the min specs before asking if in doubt. @livid apex
livid apex
@twilit sage but, what's the most demanding vr title then?
twilit sage
Depends on what headset you want to use
I'd say the least optimized titles are the most demanding, so shit like Fallout 4 and Skyrim VR, Elite: Dangerous
It really depends on what you want to play.
livid apex
@twilit sage okay thanks man
nova mist
What’s everyone’s opinion on the Oculus Quest? I’m thinking of picking one up
gentle coral
@livid apex, any non optimised VR title can be somewhat intensive for most computers. Even games like VRchat. But generally fallout 4 vr and skyrim vr with or without mods can be very intensive if you want to play at high settings.
Also early access games. One experience I was helping make, we wanted to increase the detail of a scene, so we tried to convert a mesh with texture from obj to fbx, and it crashed a 10000 dollar vr computer because that texture mesh file went from 40MB to 6GB.
Optimization is critical for VR.
sullen linden
@nova mist honestly, for what it is, it's pretty worth as long as you don't already have a powerful rig
if you already have a gaming pc just get a vive or rift
nova mist
First headset and I have a pretty powerful rig, I just like the mobility of it
sullen linden
you have more options with a pc headset
nova mist
Since I’m not home a lot it would be nice to be able to use it wherever
sullen linden
more indie titles
its also pretty limited hardware wise
and if you're worried about the tether the vive has a wireless adaptor
more free titles with a pc based hmd
nova mist
🤔
nova mist
RTX 2080, I7-8700k@5.0ghz, 16gb 3200 ram
nova mist
Yeah but like I said I’m not home that much, so the mobility of it is that much more valuable
🤔 I’ll look into them both tomorrow since I’m off from work then
The Vice and Rift that is
sullen linden
that's essentially what im trying to say lol
surreal tide
Psp had a lotta good games
sullen linden
or a ds vs a ps3
yes the psp had a lit of games but less power
lot*
i am sad boi valve index isn't shipping to vancouver
sullen linden
@gloomy flicker https://www.wantboard.ca/products/valve-index-vr-kit-by-steam
ok you're right but still there's a markup
twilit sage
...vive trackers could work haha
onyx bramble
So I wanna give my cousin my Lenovo Explorer but what would be a good upgrade for $500 for my new one
onyx bramble
Would an Odyssey+ be good or should I go for a Rift S
midnight oracle
I did read this
young marten
young marten
jovial gulch
for anyone interested in it,
we made a demo app for quest that contain the full raw BT manager toll,
you can use it of course to pair your Forcetube, but also any non-official devices as headphones
feel free to use it (or not)
soft quarry
QUESTION
do you have to pay for every song you do on beat saber?
my dad wants to play it so he can quit the exercise bike
strange tusk
There are songs that come with beat saber
dire monolith
And you can get new songs either by buying them as DLCs (officials ones) or by downloading custom songs if you mod the game.
As there is now an official song creator thing, I don't really got the time to look at how it works to add new songs from it (I'm using an older version of the game because of some mods that I use)
jovial gulch
@dire monolith @strange tuskan buy official tracks pack,
Or mod the game and use custom tracks (huge free Playlist handle by the comunity)
waxen gull
hi
sullen linden
If he's on the PS VR he can't get custom songs with mods though
soft quarry
viscid elbow
masculine name, of course
soft quarry
...my name has girl in it
viscid elbow
we'll do our best, sir
sullen linden
Sorry I pretty much call everyone "he" because we don't have separate pronouns for males and females in my language
My bad @soft quarry
ocean current
@soft quarry 
so you a girl? Why not a microwave
soft quarry
@ocean current stop seeing girls as things you open up and put a bun in
(bun in the oven means pregnant)
/s
ocean current
Uh
I don't se girls as that
I see them as a person that's either trying get attention or just a normal human being
Like, i don't see why you randomly say that to me. All i did was joke around @soft quarry
soft quarry
@ocean current /s means sarcasm
ocean current
sullen linden
soft quarry
soooo can i use my vive in a different room from my PC if i have the tpcast?
young marten
Do you guys think it will be possible to buy a htc vive with no controllers so that you could use the index controllers? New and when the index comes out and stuff and the supply stabilizes.
soft quarry
@young marten ebay is a magical place
young marten
too much work
the vives there are around $190, base stations $130 x2, plus the index's $300 controllers
I'd buy used but my query was about buying new and the chances htc would allow something like that
hexed notch
pretty sure the index controllers require the new base stations
hexed notch
oh wow nice nvm then
gentle coral
@soft quarry
It would be nearly impossible to do the vive tpcast in another room unless the router is also in the room where the vive is. All of the wireless VR adapters (tpcast, vive wireless adapter, etc) use 802.11ad wi-gig 60GHz wireless transmission which needs direct line of sight to the headset adapter from the router. (Unless your walls are made literally out of paper (or have screen doors), most objects will block the signal.)
soft quarry
will index controllers come out in time for christmas
timber viper
I don't know
young sphinx
Vive + TPCast hmm
I quite dislike TPCast honestly. I prefer the wireless adapter the most
Also I'm unsure why people reccomend the gear VR the most for "mobility"
Get a Oculus Quest, has all the PC titles, cameras for controller tracking without needing any lighthouses and on top of that it also remembers each room you used and automatically places your boundaries, some people even watch movies or play outside with it
First it could be seen as having performance issues but I've seen many reviews and have tried it, absolute no problems performance wise and games run pretty smoothly. For anyone that is rather constantly out I'd recommend Quest
sand swan
Quest does not currently have all the PC titles (maybe with some mods you can, but not native). Games made for it run smooth yes, but that's because they run at potato quality.
That being said, I would also still reccomend a quest for all the other reasons.
Beat saber on the go is the best thing ever
surreal tide
I could see gear VR as a good cheaper alternative but idk
gentle coral
Gearvr does not have 6dof on the headset, and no motion tracking on the single controller.
Also you need the right phone, and you can't have a case on your phone
surreal tide
I'm just saying, if you have <$100 and want to get into vr, then it's an option
gentle coral
True
young sphinx
Of course it is potato quality but you're getting wireless VR with great games for a great price.
young sphinx
I'm a bit disappointed by Index to be honest
Wish they made a wireless adapter or a way to use the vive wireless
young marten
I would find it hard to believe if they don’t eventually make a wireless module. Especially looking at how they put a empty spot for modifications on the head set
young sphinx
Obviously it cant connect on the front I believe because the wireless module needs to connect to the display port as well, front panel is for modders and anyone who wants to DIY is what they stated
jovial gulch
@sand swanrigjt now, the quest is just the best HMD out there (before Index come),
It don't have the full catalog,
But Onward and Pavlov are coming,
And beatsaber is already there,
I can live with graphics downgrade if I get nice tracking, no wire, no PC
Ps :Pavlov run damn good for an early stage Alpha
young marten
@young sphinx I wasn’t saying they would put the module in the front. I was saying that they were giving off the modular product spirit unlike companies like oculus. They don’t give off the feeling that they will support much beyond what you pay for when you first buy the product.
sand swan
I agree that the quest is good, I have one, but I'll be sticking with my Vive pro for any serious vr gaming
If I didn't have the pro id be buying an index
soft quarry
i got the tpcast when it was the only wireless option
i want to get the index part by part (controllers first, headset later, base stations are low priority)
i need a better GPU to run the headset so it'll be a while. i really want the controllers tho
sand swan
I hope my index/knuckle controllers ship soon
I'm tired of having to fix the trackpad in my Vive controllers
Doesn't matter much since I've mostly been playing beat saber which doesn't use them, but still
gentle coral
@sand swan same issue with trackpad, it happens to most of the controllers after a few hundred to 1000 hours. Let me guess, you cant click on the right side of the trackpads (5 controllers I have used have had that side loose most functionality).
the index is definitely going to have a large number of mods and addons. Though any wireless adapter will probably be built in house because they use a proprietary internal plug for the displayport power cable.
I am very excited for when someone makes an eye tracking faceplate so that more games can start to use eye tracking.
young sphinx
My index controllers are reserved for 30th September pff
I also can't use Index since it doesn't have a wireless adapter I can use and cable is like 5/6 meters meanwhile my play space from one corner to the other is around 10 meters
hexed notch
strap your pc to your ceiling /s
sand swan
@gentle coral Yeah I've had to fix it on both of my controllers. Luckily it's a realtively easy fix, but still annoying. And one of them just broke again :(
sand swan
Htc could probably fix it with a tiny bit of plastic or something
Would cost them 1 penny
But hey, gotta sell those replacement controllers I bet
analog wedge
What are peoples thoughts on the Vive Cosmos vs the Oculus Rift S?
young sphinx
Just made a way to use the battery for wireless like a backpack
So much better than a belt tbh
analog wedge
^ This
sand swan
They haven't released a whole lot of news about the cosmos yet
All we know is it's less than $900 and uses inside out tracking
ocean current
It's time for several pairs of clean pants
ocean current
Does index work with HTC Vive?
ocean current
should i upgrade to the index controllers?
void sky
Witnessed a murder on reddit regarding the Vive Cosmos details lol
woeful flare
trying to decide weather to buy used og Vive with the controllers 2 tracking things and everything in box for 450 cdn, a used og rift for 450 with everything or a brand new Rift S for 600 (after tax)
thoughts?
hexed notch
vive is better than og rift imo
at the same price get the vive
vive vs s?
thats on you
woeful flare
is there a consensus of which is better overall?
i know the spechs oon the rift s are a liitle better...but are they 200$ better is the question...
hexed notch
they arent better and worse, they are different
the s is much more free, but cant track the controllers behind itself
the vive has much better tracking
but worse controllers and optics
woeful flare
if you had to pick one at this moment what would you go with? the s? i feel like im leaning more towards that
hexed notch
i already decided to save up for the index
so if forced id choose the vive
bc that can upgrade to the index part by part
woeful flare
oh...i didnt realize that...
hexed notch
and as a person who bought an og rift, and very much regrets it and dislikes how their software works, id also just not get the s
woeful flare
the part by part upgrade path is something that just instanty flipped my thought process
hexed notch
yea drop in controller upgrade is p sweet
and if you arent interested in the controller just want the headset you can do that too
woeful flare
oh i want the controller! gotta play me some beat saber
woeful flare
you are super selling me on the vive lol
hexed notch
like people bought it over the og rift when the vive was 200$ more
if you are going for vr with the plan to upgrade in the future, i dont see any reason to get the s
woeful flare
awesome. ya the upgrade path is definitly a bonus that has me sold. thanks for your help. legit helpped a ton!
hexed notch
np
surreal tide
I've never seen one in person but the Vive wands look uncomfortable to hold
Like some sort of TV remote or something
hexed notch
they are designed to exist as swords
instead of not existing like the rift touch
surreal tide
Oh, that makes sense
woeful flare
beat saber is the main draw for sure
hexed notch
for close to the same price as the s he could have the index controllers
which are the best vr controllers
woeful flare
is the index goingin to use "outside in" tracking like the og vive or is it switching to inside out like the rift?
hexed notch
its outside in
woeful flare
excellent
woeful flare
sick. im sold. arranging pick up with buddy now. anything i should look out for buying a used one?
twilit sage
You're in Canada? @woeful flare
Valve doesn't ship anything Index to Canuckistan as of yet
So you might have to ask a buddy in the States to receive the thing for you.
Get the Vive and upgrade to the Index controllers later, that would be great. Just be aware of the horseshit customer support that HTC offers.
As a OG Rift user, if I would have to pick now I would get a new Rift S tbh.
Index and such is nice but m o n e y
woeful flare
thanks @twilit sage !! Ill be picking up the Vive in about an hour. SUPER EXCITED!
young marten
I’m gonna get a new vive and just upgrade it with index controllers later on
young sphinx
Question is, when are you gonna get the index?
They were set as "Availability on 30th Sept" now it's "Reserve to find out when they will be available" Lol
@young marten
young marten
Maybe a couple years
sand swan
sand swan
I take terrible pictures
young sphinx
Welp
My reservation was pushed from 30th september to today
A lot of friends got it too, thankfully Valve started producing them quicker
sand swan
young sphinx
Are you using regular Vive or ?
@sand swan
I want to figure out if they work well with base stations 1.0
hexed notch
the tracking quality is the same apparently between the two versions
just the new ones are smaller, lighter, and have simpler electronics inside
young sphinx
Perhaps try to reserve it and see
I reserved mine when it said 30th sept, then it said "reserve now to be notified of availability" and then it sent me an email
sand swan
Not sure about how well they will do with beat saber yet, haven't had a whole lot of time with them
Sweaty hands will be more of an issue if you use the default grip I imagine
young marten
Wonder how often you will have to clean the microfiber fabric on the hand grip thing playing games like bear saber
void grove
Just noticed that Steam now displays whether or not a game is VR only. o:
ocean current
It always did?
soft hound
No, it only showed the logos for the headsets before, instead of saying it
hearty shore
Right, so I'm essentially in the middle of a little vr project
I brought 11 PC's and a switch. Hooked them all up via ethernet etc to run them off of wake-on-lan
So 10 of them are on a semi ceiling with nothing connected as of yet besides a power cord and ethernet
The VR headsets themselves will be setup wirelessly via a pcie card and antenna
So I've come to the situation where I'm fearing that the PC's I remote into are running off of their integrated card instead of dedicated.
Those without monitors are slower to load remote desktop view off and some applications doesn't show on the remote desktop
Using teamviewer btw
Any ideas?
spiral kindle
wah?
dire monolith
@hearty shore use the Remote Desktop feature in Windows (need a Pro edition for it but it's worth the hassle) and plug a headless dongle on your GPU (a display dongle that simulate a connected screen on a GPU)
TeamViewer, even in a LAN setup, should be considered as a malware as how much known vulnerabilities aren't patched in it.
And also, RDP is far better for remote control. Even VNC would be a better choice than TeamViewer (still in a LAN only environment)
steel venture
@hearty shore there are special dongles for such cases, something like this: https://www.amazon.com/CompuLab-fit-Headless-Display-Emulator/dp/B00FLZXGJ6
some cards/drivers are made in such a way to prevent headless usage
because according to the vendor you should buy a server card to run headless
just like @dire monolith wrote 😂
dire monolith
Yeah, the server cards BS is the worse thing.
steel venture
people used to mod drivers for it, to not go through this PITA.
gentle coral
You will need a really good dongle as there is a very specific reason that the standard VR wireless adapters are running on 802.11ad, 60 GHz, and that is latency and bandwidth. Even if a cheaper dongle can push a 4k display, there are major tradeoffs in latency and quality. Hopefully you plan on using the wireless dongles that are designed for VR, or have a budget to try a number of different wireless connections.
frozen shard
Anyone has some experience with a windows mixed reality from acer ? I would like to game on it. Call my name ( @frozen shard ) when you have an answer for me
fringe agate
@frozen shard I don’t have a wmr headset but I know you need the windows mixed reality software installed from the widows store. But to play steam games you need steamvr
frozen shard
I know i got 6 tb free space in my pc
frozen shard
But is it a good vr headset on a lower budget?
fringe agate
Do u mean games or other headsets
frozen shard
For gaming yes
green crypt
wmr is okay but you can have a lot of problems but i would go for it if it's cheap. but if you can afford something better get the rift s it also has some problems but less from what i have heard.
young sphinx
Yeet, received my index controllers today
Did some testing and I'm living them so far
Only took a bit to adjust them properly
soft quarry
gleaming grove
So you can only move forward? ah
soft quarry
no
you can walk in all directions
you can go backwards by leaning backwards and strafe by turning your feet
gleaming grove
No you step aside in real life
That there is just moving forward while looking left or right
gleaming grove
soft quarry
next up is crouching in skyrim
i think they should add an option for side step or turning feet, some people might not have a big enough space for side steps
soft quarry
my dad said he got a reservation in for knuckles, should i expect to have them by my bday?
my bday is september 24
green crypt
depends some people got order mesages as they are ramping things up a lot
soft quarry
and that's why i'm asking
green crypt
if you are lucky you can have it on your bday
gleaming grove
Floaty flatmates is a fun free game to play for an hour @stoic galleon
stoic galleon
nice thanks !
soft quarry
@stoic galleon bigscreen beta allows you to join environments with your friends and watch videos on a movie screen
sullen linden
@limber echo this would be a better channel
sullen linden
Ok, just one more thing
Can you point your phone camera at your oculus controllers when they're on and see if the ir leds light up
limber echo
Well it does track
It just bugs out when my controllers (not the HMD just the controllers) are moving a bit fast
soft quarry
bought a second powercore 20100 for the tpcast and it randomly disconnects
sullen linden
I tried my oculus rift and it worked perfectly
inner spindle
Is it worth getting a used VIVE for 330?
twilit sage
If you want to get the Index controllers, yes. Otherwise get the Rift S right away.
Depends on the condition of the HMD itself. Does it look very used?
sullen linden
Minecraft vr!?
YUS QUEEN
twilit sage
The Vivecraft mod hasn't been updated to 1.14 yet, so the only way to play is the "official" port
Which kinda sucks, I prefer Vivecraft as its Java
floral stump
As a former vive owner, would I be disappointed with the rift s? I can't install light bases where I live now. I mostly played like onward and H3 and racing games.
sacred totem
I would enjoy the better dirt rally support. Nothing beats dirt rally for vr racing imo
twilit sage
@floral stump Depends on what you classify as "disappointed"
But it's currently one of the best inside out tracked HMDs out there
floral stump
I just mean going from the lightbox room scale to the inside out tracked. Was hoping to catch someone here that used both long enough to drop some advice.
I miss my VR but I'm a little uncertain about Oculus
sand swan
I have a quest and a vive. Quest uses same tracking tech as rift s
You won't be disappointed with inside out tracking.
Unless you put your hands behind your head a lot?
Which, I've found that I don't do that often
soft quarry
converting the spare room into a vr room
soft quarry
VR room is awesome
stoic galleon
first day of vr -> lots of motion sickness
tips and tricks to setup everything properly
sullen linden
Getting vr is like a gamble if you haven't tried it before
You either get motion sick or not
floral stump
I'm fine but my partner she hurls
stoic galleon
the point where I can't take it anymore is after around 3hours
and the vive gets so heavy
sullen linden
You get used to it
I mean you're supposed to take 15min breaks every 30min I think but who does that lol
I've been on vrchat like 6 hours straight multiple times which probably isn't a good idea
stoic galleon
yea I just feel sick in general now
but it's a bit better than yesterday
I think the worse thing is the headset getting uncomfy after some time
sullen linden
Not much you can do about that other than trying to adjust it better
young marten
I think I have strong vr legs
green crypt
pai what headset do you have if you have the normal vive get the pro audio strap
if you have a different headset just adjust it better an re adjust it after some time
twilit sage
tbh I was surprised that I didnt get sick
I can play VR for hours and not need to stop
vapid depot
Oculus quest vs the oculus pc one whose name i forgot
??
I cant afford the rift s tho
sacred totem
you need ginger to prevent motion sickness unti l youre used to it
mellow flame
@vapid depot Oculus touch all day imo
surreal tide
CV1
gentle coral
Motion sickness also depends a lot on the type of game or experience your playing, as well as the movement style. This is also the reason I don't recommend steam early access for VR games, unless you are confident with not getting sick.
ocean current
If you can play VR when drunk, you won't have problems with motion sickness
Also, laying on the ground in VR (in this case beat saber) feels so weird yet real
sullen linden
I wish they'd restock the index already
queen scroll
I've just got the vive, any recommendations on what to play? I'm already bored as fuck from it
keen tartan
The Rick and Morty VR game.
Virtual Rick-ality
All the nVidia VR demos are pretty cool.
sullen linden
Hotdogs, horseshoes & handgrenades
Onward
Arizona sunshine
Beat saber
Vrchat
keen tartan
Prowl around GitHub for various bits of software.
sullen linden
Ofcourse I don't know what kind of games you like but there's tons of good games out there. I've had the oculus touch for two years and I'm not bored of it yet.
sullen linden
Like just on vrchat I have like 1,5k hours and made some really good friends on there
stoic galleon
@green crypt i havw the vive
after 3 days of playing I am not getting motion sick anymore
atleast outside of flying objexts
I started playing vrchat
it's axtually way more entertaining than I thought
I heard the index has bad visual overlapping or something?
also pavlov vr is awesome
sullen linden
Wanna play vrchat sometime? lol
sullen linden
Added
stoic galleon
alrigjt will accept after work
soft hound
VRChat is my favourite VR game by far, especially making avatars for it
sullen linden
I used to like making avatars but then they added all this bullshit that restricts creativity and other things that basically made all the animators mostly quit the game
If you ask me vrchat was at it's best back when there was like only 100 people playing, good old days
soft hound
Yeah, though I'm happy that they finally got rid of the polygon limit on the newest SDK, so you can have over 70,000 without having to edit the SDK itself, so now my avatar is nearly 250,000 polygons :P
sullen linden
There was a time when the limit was 25k
I still remember the pain of trying to decimate the model in blender to that limit while trying to not make it look horrible.
celest jetty
Hello guys, I'm new to the VR craze, was always waiting for the technology to advance some and I got the Steam Index. Have tried Beat Saber (Since Linus and others kept mentioning it being tons of fun, which I love so far), Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice VR Edition (already had), and Gorn. Also played through Aperture Hand Lab as well for kicks since it was free.
Anything I should know? Any game suggestions?
I'm tempted to try using it with a sim game like Dirt Rally 2.0 or Ace Combat 7. Also the new Microsoft Flight Simulator when it comes out.
stoic galleon
you can also try dcs world
yiou get two planes for free
but it will most likely get u motion sick af
soft hound
Elite Dangerous is also really good in VR
twilit sage
The learning curve is dramatic I've heard
surreal tide
I tried to get into it but I can tell it's best played with like a flight stick or something
twilit sage
Yeah it's best played with a HOTAS controller when playing it in VR
vapid depot
SUPERHOT
gentle coral
@celest jetty Superhot VR, pavlov if you like CS GO type games, fallout 4 VR or Skyrim (with mods) for open world RPG, Project Cars 2 for racing, tiltbrush or gravity sketch for art, Raw Data for FPS, job Simulator or Vacation Simulator for creative.
stoic galleon
pavlov has ttt aswell, super fun!
glad sand
I'd argue Assetto Corsa for racing/sim
void grove
The Psychonaut's game is on sale at the humble store. 
soft hound
Need more power
void grove
minor pond
ive had my vr for 2 months, 100 hours in beatsaber and beat a few pro maps, and met ogg_ (epic beatsaber god)
nimble violet
@stoic galleon I sent an invite on steam. I got Pavlov recently, been playing offline for the most part but would like to try online. Also have many other vr games
stoic galleon
alright dude
nimble violet
I'd like to get vr friends for VRChat, Pavlov, Project Cars 2 (preferably Steering Wheel Setup to help me learn), Onward, Arizona Sunshine, or HDHHG. Hopefully with more vr I'll overcome the motion sickness
stoic galleon
I mostly play ttt though
stoic galleon
trouble in terrorist town
nimble violet
I haven't tried that, feels awkward to talk to random people in vr at first. I just need to get used to it
stoic galleon
ohh
yea people in ttt are nice
good starting point imo
since you don't need to think of a topic or stuff like that
nimble violet
Not from what I've seen online xD But then again that could be personal friends on their own servers. Sounds good tho I'll have to try it out then
stoic galleon
yea could be
I have only played on public ones with randoms
nimble violet
Gotcha, sweet I'll probably play a bit today when I got time
sacred totem
VRChat sucked because some asshole would always crash the game with their avatar. Maybe they changed the game so that people couldnt do that
young marten
You can block avatars by performance so people can't crash you with their avatar. But they could still theoretically crash the world instance you are in or disconnect you from it with other hacks though this will almost never happen. @sacred totem
sacred totem
Wasnt that the option to disable shaders, which fucked up a lot of regular avatars
?
young marten
No that's the standard safety settings part blocking. The avatar performance, as deemed by the devs standards, allows users to hide avatars that have assets that exceed a certain "performance" ranking.
goes from: excellent, good, medium, poor, then very poor if I remember right
you can set which ranking is the highest before the avatar gets blocked
It will just show grey floating bots and most people don't optimize their avatars ,including me, so you would have to unblock people you can trust
I normally just turn all safety stuff off and suffer the crashes
sacred totem
Ah very nice!
There were those avatars that fucked the entire world though, like it messed up everyones vision like you were on acid or playing on 140p
But some people would just have flying particles around them and it would fuck your gpu. I guess things have changed since i last played like a year ago
young marten
You could also just hide shaders on lower "rank" players that have not put in a lot of active time into the game
but from what I saw the performance thingy works well because it even looks at the hidden parts of avatars
sullen linden
@sacred totem You can also only hide animations because that's what people use to crash you. Also a few particles around an avatar won't make you lag unless there's a ton of them. You lag because people don't bother optimizing the materials and they have a lot of draw calls.
young marten
I forgot about animation blocking, I should probably start using it
sullen linden
I tend to avoid public worlds because of the malicious people unless I'm extremely bored. Although I do have to admit that crashing crashers was fun lol
All the effects on avatars were cool before but then they got stolen and people were abusing them in public worlds
One of the reasons I quit making avatar animations because now you can't show them without someone complaining "stop you're making me lag" even though I optimized everything I could
young marten
I’ve spent 97% of my 1k hrs in public worlds i don’t get crashed that much form others it mostly my bad WiFi connection with my laptop
And my lack of ram
sullen linden
Vrchat needs atleast 16gb
young marten
I got 8 kek
young marten
Idk if I want to get a ram kit for my laptop because I’m planning on getting a desktop in a year or two
sullen linden
Probably not worth it then
@nimble violet You can add me too if you want to play vrchat or something.
nimble violet
@sullen linden Awesome yeah I'd be more than happy to. I sent a steam friend request
sullen linden
Yeah got it
gleaming grove
What CPU?
nimble violet
You can install on Steam the software "SteamVR Performance Test" and see what your VR Score Performance is
gleaming grove
He might not have all the PC parts yet 🤔
nimble violet
So long as it passes you should be fine to play vr games but most likely not on the highest quality settings. Enough for 90Fps from what I see on Reddit posts for the GPU in VR
glad sand
That looks like MacOS, and...good luck if you're running MacOS for VR lol, you can certainly try it, though
prisma delta
the fact that it says "Intel Core i5" by itself means macOS lol
cold swift
i have had no issues with runing with vr with my i5 7500, veag 56, and 24gb of ram
soft hound
lol, your specs are pretty similar to mine
cold swift
yeah i plan on upgrading to the r9 3900x when i have the cash.
i think i will set up my current cpu and mobo as a nas
young marten
wraith walrus
dues anyone know how to fix a gray screen on htxc vive i cant get ride of it
sacred totem
@prisma delta ayy lmao
prisma delta
?
jaunty knoll
Dragles its normally that the sensors cant see the grid boxes if you have something covering the bumps on the headset remove it
tranquil pond
do you think a brand new htc vive for 420€ is worth it?
the guy selling it says he got 2 and is selling it, not opened at all
twilit sage
Brand new for 420 Eur?
Depends on what country you're in
Personally I would go for the Rift S because of better resolution and better customer support.
tranquil pond
france, but i fear if i buy it "used" even tho it's brand new, i might not have a warranty on it
ocean current
I need help
Either i get me some valve index. Or something audio related
Or i just save money
tranquil pond
well i do want full room tracking
twilit sage
...you get that either way
tranquil pond
without the usb hassle
twilit sage
^
tranquil pond
or wait for enough money index 
tranquil pond
and wait for all the controller dying to settle
twilit sage
But at 400 Eur I'd go for a new Rift/Rift S
surreal tide
Yeah
twilit sage
the controllers are fine mostly, it's just that the people that get the issues are the loudest
tranquil pond
yeah it's always like that
swift knoll
