good idea
#virtual-reality
vagrant crescent
just dont get distracted if they rumour something else
tyou have to make thatleap otherwise youll kepp waiting
cobalt cloud
Yeah, but first I have to find the money
Can’t pay for a trip to japan and vr at the same time
sullen linden
they are the same resolution/refresh rate, its all subjective which one looks more comfortable, and which OS do you want to use
cobalt cloud
I want to demo an oculus, but I don’t know anyone with one
vagrant crescent
go oculus for rift core 2.0
sullen linden
ya id take the trip and then, if its gonna take even more time, you might be able to get the newer oculus or newe vive pro
cobalt cloud
Yeah, Vive is more like iPhone
vagrant crescent
but personally ocluus is so much more sleek
cobalt cloud
I would know because I’m typing this on an iphone
vagrant crescent
the sensors arent crazy obtrusive either
i have razer nommo and it looks like surround with them
so convieneit
cobalt cloud
I haven’t had much problem with the vive’s build
sullen linden
oculus seems much more like iphone to me. Sleek look, less customization, software developed only for oculus
vagrant crescent
also three sensors for large play space
if you have a small clear space 2 sensors looking down is great
ik but then vive has price tag and simplicity
sullen linden
vive seems much more complicated to me
cobalt cloud
Yeah, maybe it is more like iPhone. I’ve never used an oculus
cobalt cloud
Most of what I know about oculus is from the early days when markiplier was playing around with one
sullen linden
ive used both, and i disagree, its more subjective then
vagrant crescent
i have cables across my room
had to use some extenders
i havent acc used vive
but i wanna
sullen linden
setup is a pain, but using it everyday, is way easier
cobalt cloud
Eh, I kinda like the Vive design
dire monolith
I really enjoy the Vive because of SteamVR. If only Oculus where working with Steam to get a great universal API/SDK for PC VR it would be dope af.
The SteamVR SDK is already great, but Rift Core is a very cool thing but only for Oculus Rift owners... Even if it could have been done with SteamVR for everyone...
And from my perspective, Vive tracking (with lasers) is way better than the IR camera thing from Oculus (but it cost much...)
Vive vs Oculus only depends on your budget and preference. (And if you want (Vive) or not (Rift) a wider FOV but with a slightly increased "screen door effect" (where you are able to see (microscopic) "gaps" between each pixel of the screen))
rugged walrus
Oculus works with SteamVR, and Oculus is part of the working group making the OpenXR API
dire monolith
Yeah I know but I was just saying that it would be cool if Oculus had worked on SteamVR to add a lot of Rift Core features in.
whole fossil
one thing i like about oculus are the controllers and the dash, its very nice
whole fossil
well if you want a gpu for $300 just goto japan https://tokyo.craigslist.jp/sop/d/gtxgb/6518047164.html
willow tartan
strange tusk
Probs but idk if it’ll be good or not never thought about that
whole fossil
woven narwhal
Sorry, im not really in the vr market (running off a 2008 iMac 😢) but what happened yesterday with oculus?
Well, last week anyway
Idk
sullen linden
Got my $15 oculus store credit for not being affected at all
vivid goblet
Lol
@dull tide If you wanna get into windows Mr, Samsung HMD Odyssey is the only good headset
whole fossil
just got superhot for $9.90 with the store credit
atomic plinth
Do you guys think the Oculus go will be worth it?
Or do you think I should just go with the windows mixed reality
rugged walrus
Completely different things - the Oculus Go is a competitor to Gear VR and other phone VR
If you have a good pc, the Windows headsets are a better experience (apart from being wired)
full lotus
^^
Oculus Go is basically a gearVR, but with better lenses and includes all the hardware so no need for a phone
GearVR is cheapest option but arguably the worst
Mixed reality is basically budget level Full-PC VR, tracking is not as good as oculus/vive since its all inside-out and application support is poorer
Vive/Oculus are about as good as it gets atm
Vive pro will ofc be the best once that releases, but will also be 2-3x the price of an oculus
void grove
wary sandal
VR Pr0n
mortal plinth
pulsar panther
Is the PSVR worth it?
sullen linden
@pulsar panther depends if you already have a pc or ps4. and how picky you are on framerate and quality
pulsar panther
i have an pc with an 660ti and an i5 (3th generation, but i cant remember the model name)
and i do have an ps4 (the original one)
and i really dont care about frame rate, i can play games at 20fps without real problems
sullen linden
Does anyone here do htc vive in like a small area and have issues with it? I want to get a vr headset and setup but am worried i dont have enough space
dire monolith
I personnally don't have major issues, i just have to cheat a bit to setup my room (go over some furniture). The only thing to look at is lighthouse dead zones from the vive and controllers
Even if a lighthouse can't "see the other one", you can link them with an included cable
But the Vive is better if you want to do room scaled experiences, if you just want to do some sit/standing experiences (racing games and stuff) maybe you should get the rift
(If a Rift owner could confirm my last point)
The Vive minimum size is a 1.5x2m room (for room scaled experiences) or any space you have if you use it for sit/standing experiences
sullen linden
@void grove comes out to roughly $1400 after the lighthouses and controllers
void grove
wouldn't it be cheaper just to buy the OG Vive and it? 
sullen linden
🤔
sullen linden
its the new price
sullen linden
^
pulsar panther
it still costs way too much
main kraken
Hahaha here too?
Just saw my comment was deleted on HTC for calling their lenses shitty
Checked fb page
And it went full on rage mode apparently people. Don't like deleted posts
Guess HTC tried to milk gaming market usingold cellphone market tactics
Completely missing that gamers are a bit different kind of consumers.
Imo it's end of vives lead over the market.
sullen linden
Wait whats different vive and vive pro
void grove
Vive pro has a higher resolution and has support for SteamVR tracking 2.0
Not sure if the lenses are different.
Oh, and it has built in headphones and a dual mic and camera setup.
whole fossil
palmer luckey in that rem cosplay is just 10/10
also does anyone know any good games that use roomscale a lot and i already know about job sim
i cant put the photo of lucky in here because discord knows its too sexy
main kraken
basically you pay twice as much for same old vive with better res and crappy headphones
bit better
same old shitty lenses afaik, same old fov
they supposedly made it bit lighter, it's prolly to lower weight after adding potential wireless addon which will prolly be overpriced as well... they also added headphones which prolly ain't very impressive and definitely not worth the price hike
what surprises me more is they didn't use the chance to throw new controllers, those prototypes looked great
as for steamvr tracking 2.0 afaik it's mainly lower power consumption it seems like standard improvement.. nothing revolutionary to be seen as feature
overall it feels like inbetween product upgrade that shouldn't really cost more than original.
<< disappointed as i skipped gen1 of vr waiting for something that will ged rid of obvious problems.
Sadly aside from potential wireless, which i still doubt since it does take a lot of data at very low latency for it to work, and it requires a battery which is likely to be a problem as well.. (though i guess mini backpack like addon could solve that easily) i don't see it this year ;/
dire monolith
Damn... Lenses were the thing to fix on the Vive Pro IMO
I think I'll definitely mod my Vive to replace those freaking bad lenses
whole fossil
raw bay
Any Vancouverites going to the RPO experience/teaser in front of the Vancouver Art Gallery? 😄
It's tomorrow and Saturday, from Noon till 9, DT Vancouver.
whole fossil
my desktop is having problems so no more vr ;-; at lest i have my mac for playing video games
dire monolith
My little outside VR setup last sunday, 4x2.5m space :
whole fossil
why outside
dire monolith
More space
whole fossil
thank god it didnt rain for you
dire monolith
Weather was great, one of the sunniest day since months ^^
(I live in Annecy, in the Alps in France)
The sky was clear the whole afternoon 👌
whole fossil
well these recent days are really shitty because motherboard got fucked up so i have to use my mac which isnt bad because the gpu in it is the same as my desktop
thank god all my code projects are on the cloud
dire monolith
In my early days with my PC, I had a BIOS brick because of a f**ked autoupdater, thanks MSI... One full month waiting for the RMA and the full refund on my mobo (and another week waiting the new one). Went from a i7 4790K to a Pentium 4 661 with a GTX 780... Yeah I really needed a computer so... A month is long when you have a Pentium 4... And 4Gb of ram instead of 16...
¯_(ツ)_/¯
whole fossil
my motherboard just randomly started to only allow 8gbs of ram out of my 16 and now my debian install got fucked up because for some reason my MB decided to randomly make it read only.
dire monolith
Oh... That's not good
whole fossil
and now windows started to be weird so when that happened i just turned it off and stopped using it
at lest soon i will get a way better MB
dire monolith
👌
whole fossil
well i cant even use native mac os for codding my discord bot, time to dust off that vm i have
void kelp
rip
ivory parrot
Anyone have expereince with wireless vr
deft crater
no, can't afford it sadly
ivory parrot
Anyone have exp with cable mamagmemt so you dont trip
sudden hare
dire monolith
Only time i nearly tripped was because of my headphone cable (which broke in half on a fragile spot, had it for 4-5 yrs... RIP Plantronics Gamecom 380)
rigid ridge
I've never actually tripped, I just became aware of the cord and if I felt it hit my leg, I could easily step over it without issue
harsh forge
sooo I played superhot vr today (my first experience with vr) and it was AMAZING!!! So I went online to look at prices and basically I'm gonna have to live without VR 😭 😜
naive oasis
👌
whole fossil
strange tusk
I tried payday 2 vr and it’s quite weird but still fun to play just matters on what the settings are
Also I’m planning on getting skyrim vr soon
dire monolith
Payday 2 is a great example of an added VR experience to an existing game whereas SUPERHOT VR would be the best designed for VR experience.
The VR update is so well done that it made me like this game again (I was disappointed by all this DLC apocalypse (need to have a freaking DLC to kill a turret in the lowest difficulty of the game...) and the stealth experience being killed by updates)
I also was one of the first to test the beta when it came out
strange tusk
Yeah it’s pretty awesome
deft crater
Have anyone here played racing sim's in vr?
dire monolith
I played a lot on Project Cars, Dirt Rally and Assetto Corsa
sullen linden
@deft crater I’ve done a lot of Project cars 2 and it works with my wheel and pedals (Logitech g27)
dire monolith
(also i forgot to tell that i also have a G27)
deft crater
Oh cool
steep beacon
i lowkey miss my g27 but i barely used it
jaunty hound
I want to play some vr racing... I recently got a g29 for my pc to play project cars 2 and its amazing. Fortunately got it 200$ AU off. Don't know if I can justify the 1000$ for a VR setup just to play pc2 in vr. Also was thinking of getting either Dirt 4 or Dirt Ralley as well
next sandal
Hey you guys have any idea why im getting so motion sick from VR lately? I own both the rift and the vive and both are making me almost barf after 15 minutes on any game. I took a month of from playing and the straight away Im almost puking. Any way to stop dis??
sullen linden
do you notice the tracking being significantly worse? I started to get motion sickness when my sensors and headset were on usb 2.0 instead of 3.0
dire monolith
+1 about tracking issues, if there is some, this is probably why you experience motion sickness. Another thing would be latency/framerate, if your PC isn't fast enough, you could experience some delay between your movements and ingame movements and slow framerate could make stuff worse.
Another simple thing could just be that you are more likely to experience motion sickness while gaming in VR than most people and then you sadly can't do anything to fix this...
Do you have any kind of motion sickness in others situation ? (Fast FPS (not in VR), car travel...)
full lotus
@next sandal have you started playing different games?
Typically the ones where you move in game but not IRL (eg echo arena) are much more sickness inducing than ones where there is teleport movement or 1:1 RL movement (eg robo recall or the lab)
strange tusk
Can anyone tell me if Skyrim vr is good cause I hope it’s not as bad as fallout 4 vr
spare obsidian
HTC vive is 500 bucks? Quite a bit cheaper than i thought, although i think ill wait a year or two for the price of a steam compatible vr kit to be say 300 dollars.
dire monolith
@DanIsMe#7078 UI and gameplay looks a bit better, DLC are included. But idk if at 60€/$ it is worth it...
(Specially when in the file that's just a "DLC" for Skyrim Special Ed. (confirmed by some people at /r/crackwatch)
strange tusk
Ah okay costs 70 cad for me lol
full lotus
@spare obsidian oculus is cheaper than vive and is steam Compatible
You can play any steamVR game on oculus
You just can't play oculus games on vive (not without some software workarounds anyway)
spare obsidian
and pair that with some kind of controllers?
full lotus
Yeah, the oculus touch controllers
@spare obsidian
Oculus rift + touch controllers is £349
ivory parrot
Can confirm
I use oculus touch
With steam vr
And robo recall
I will say payday 2 vr while very buggy
Is amazing
I still cant figure out how to go up ladders
But eh
strange tusk
You have to look up at it I think cause I played a mission that required that and it was pretty tough
full lotus
The controllers were the main reason I sold my vive tbh.
The oculus controllers are just sooooooooo much nicer
You feel like you're using your hands. Not holding clunky wands
strange tusk
Never tried an oculus controller so I can’t say much
devout meadow
rugged walrus
@strange tusk @dire monolith SkyrimVR is pretty good, performance is far better than Fallout 4 VR. It's still very obvious that it's not built from the ground up for VR, but I'm enjoying it a lot anyway. Especially since it turns out many mods work fine. I picked it up for £32 ($45) at green man gaming (with 20% off code), which is more reasonable. They still seem to have that pricing
steady bear
Well I didn’t know that there was a VR chat. I’ll definitely have stuff to share here. We have a VIVE at work that I have done mixed reality recording with, ive also taken it to all kinds of events from 24 hour LAN party’s to local 1000 person cons, to outdoor events (just a note, the vive dose not work in bright sunlight, and if the sun gets in the lenses it will burn the screen) to an event at a dance studio (one more note, vibes don’t work in a room with an entire wall of mirrors, we had to cover them up)
dire monolith
One more little note, watch out for any reflective surfaces when using a Vive, I had some tracking issues because of my bedroom window reflecting lasers from one base station.
sleek adder
VR just wants you to live in the darkness, so the lenses are your light and guidance 😄
dire monolith
That's kinda true actually, I broke two sets of three bulbs while playing in VR ^^ I had to move up the chandelier to stop hitting it while playing XD
full lotus
Both systems have issues with large mirrors or reflective surfaces.
My vive and oculus both had issues if the tv in my living room wasn't covered
proud pike
Anuone here have an MR headset like the Dell
main kraken
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/12/htc_vive_pro_teardown_review/ - i think this is pretty much confirmation, same old shitty lenses
chrome pewter
mortal plinth
@proud pike - I thought the Dell was Steam VR
Apparently not
And I totally tagged the wrong person..
You saw nothing..
I believe so.
mortal plinth
But, despite HTC really being the only one, Steam VR is a platform/standard that manufacturers can build headsets for... For some reason I thought Dell was one of them.
Windows MR headsets are like the Rift... They work with Steam VR, but they're not Steam VR headsets.
Yeah. I don't know how much of it is the Steam VR standard, and how much of it is just HTC..
But there is some kind of Steam VR standard.
gotcha
Ugh. I can't wait until Knuckles..
Or a higher res Rift
One of those two is when I'm jumping in.
(to VR)
woven lagoon
oof, that Vive pro is not looking too hot for consumers
whole fossil
even if i had a vive pro my pc is too shit to run it
full lotus
It just sucks that the vive Pro still has the same mediocre lenses :(
sullen linden
^ I agree. If they were going to charge 700-800 bucks for just a new headset, I would have hoped that it would have came with at least better lenses, not just a new way of it sitting on your head. Also would have been nice if it would INCLUDE all the extras, but of course, beggars can't be choosers.
dull tide
rugged walrus
Well it's been a year and a half, so that probably isn't happening
whole fossil
well also the switchs hardware cant do VR but it could do AR, even then the display is very low res
strange tusk
I have the regular htc vive and probs just gonna keep it because it’s decent and doesn’t cost as much as it used to anymore
whole fossil
the xbox one streaming app for oculus is pretty cool
final patrol
To use the rift as a screen for the xbox?
That would be pretty cool instead of a tv....
vivid ivy
Anyone heard of turning you phone into a pc vr headset?
Ive done it with my phone, a mobile vr headset, two Playstation eye cameras, and Playstation move controllers
dire monolith
You have Riftcat if your phone have a gyroscope, it's the best "transform your phone into a PC VR headset" app you can get. But it's still more a "workaround" than a true VR headset solution.
reef rover
full lotus
Yeah, its better than having no VR headset, but it still can't compare to a proper HMD
The latency alone would kill it for me
dire monolith
When I tried (with USB tethering), it wasn't that bad, but when my phone (Nexus 5X) would start to heat up, this was creating some kind of tracking drift and so it wasn't usable after 10 mins...
opaque slate
newest version of riftcat makes the feed bleed colors and it has a 4-5 second delay now
using a 1080p60 phone over USB 3.1
dire monolith
Wow... I was waiting for it before getting my Vive... Sad to hear that :/
ivory parrot
I used a gear with something
It worked well
Drains phone bat
Even when charging
And very hot
sullen linden
What do you guys think of this? https://youtu.be/fvu5FxKuqdQ
still nimbus
Should I get a Vive or Vive Pro? My GPU(1080Ti) could handle either
earnest crystal
strange tusk
too expensive for just the headset instealf for the vive pro
sullen linden
@still nimbus supersample on the regular vive and save $1000
still nimbus
What is supersample? I'm new to this whole VR thing
sullen linden
@still nimbus increases the rendering resolution, giving the feeling that the display is a higher resolution that it actually is
still nimbus
Ooh that sounds nice
sullen linden
Like playing a game and rendering in 4k on a 1080p monitor, it will look cleaner, but it’s still not actually 4k
@still nimbus
still nimbus
Yeah I'm probably gonna get the Vive OG version instead of the Pro
slate forge
In linuses vid he said pro wasnt worth it
still nimbus
yes i watched that one
verbal coyote
woo, Rift might be arriving tomorrow
so excited
can't wait until i'm comfortable enough to play Sprint Vector, that shit looks wild
rugged walrus
Clear your surroundings carefully for that, lol
Echo Arena had already taught me that though
placid apex
lol
dire monolith
About the Super sampling (SS) thing, the SteamVR beta have the SS setting changed a bit, it's not a manual slider anymore but a dynamic quality setting which is checking every 4-7 frames (can't remember exactly how many) the current GPU usage and so raise or lower the resolution (can go x3 but also x0,7 if needed)
I tried it a bit, no perceptible lag but a better quality overall on most games.
I don't know if this got to the main branch as of now but it's worth to try, SteamVR is stable enough for regular use.
still nimbus
Ok. Thanks for all the info. Is 6 ft x 9ft enough space for room-scale?
misty shard
hey does anyone know how well an r9 380 will run VR wise?
dire monolith
@still nimbus I use my Vive with the minimal size (2m x 1.5m, about 6’6ft x 5ft) with some furniture on the way, I just have to be careful not hitting too hard stuff but it works well. You won't have issues if your 6x9 is clear of furniture.
I've done a 3m x 4m outside one day, it was the best experience I've done with roomscale, not only because it wasn't too hot (maybe a bit cold) so it helps with sweat while playing in VR (it's a thing, not a big, but still). I'll probably do this more with summer coming in (got my Vive in November 2017 so I didn't had a lot of "good time" to put it outside, thanks Winter in the French Alps I guess?)
Just found the pic of my outside setup ^^
sullen linden
^
verbal coyote
my brother is using his Rift with all sensors in USB 2 ports
wew
surprisingly works fine actually, it's an old AM3+ board and he can't use his new 8700k yet :p
still nimbus
@opaque slate was just making sure my CPU wasn't too old and my ram too slow
I highly doubted that I would get a bad score but was just making sure. I would have felt like an idiot if I hadn't ran the test and had performance issues
rugged walrus
Skyrim VR with mods does make my i5-3450 chug
full lotus
Yeah I was using my sensors on USB 2.0 for a little bit
it works fine actually.
You can't really notice much of a difference. I just found that motion sickness was significantly reduced when I went to USB 3.0. So maybe there's a frame less latency or something
still nimbus
Does the Vive link box have miniDP?
placid apex
who else i s watching the NBA play offs in VR
rugged walrus
not available on Rift or Vive 🙄
it's bad enough when eg. Samsung sponsors stuff so it's only available on GearVR, but this is already multiplatform and on PC, so skipping the most popular PC VR headsets is just...
void grove
Is the lenovo hmd worth it or should I just spend the extra money on the rift?
rugged walrus
you kinda get what you pay for; the Lenovo HMD is amazingly cheap, but the build quality is just not the same, the controllers are not so good, there's no integrated headphones etc.
ivory parrot
get a rift
icy root
@rugged walrus have you tried the explorer?
Its better than rift for screendoor effect and its controllers are perfectly fine. You do not get full motion tracking when they are at your sides and if you hold hands fully up but thats due to lack of lighthouses. Theres also headphone port so you can wear whatever you want instead of suffering with built in stuff. I use mine with g933 and h800hs so i can mic and game. If not going for a vive the Windows MR lineup is nicer than CV1. My Lenovo Windows MR and Vive are go tos and CV1 was sold off. The only.concern is non adjustable PD and smaller sweet spot
rugged walrus
I tried one of the other WMR headsets, but apart from the Samsung Odyssey they're all very similay
the controllers are definitely less polished than the Oculus controllers
icy root
Dells and acer are sadly absolute garbage.
rugged walrus
having to use separate headphones is a big downside compared to built-in headphones
icy root
Lenovos, and samsungs are the best and samsungs modified controllers halp too
Not really...unless they are like AKGs in sammies
rugged walrus
it's a hassle, it's much less comfortable
rugged walrus
they are basically the same, just OEM versions of Microsoft's R&D
icy root
They each have quirks and some have different FOVs.
whole fossil
the only problem with toggling the oculus hardware support flag, not too much of a problem but chrome should fix this
rugged walrus
heh Firefox started doing that a while ago as well
jaunty hound
I want to get into VR, but I only really want to play racing games like Dirt and Project Cars. What sort of setup would I be needing? Do I need a vive or rift or can I settle for something cheaper like MR?
void grove
You might be fine with WMR because you're probably not turning your head fast enough to see the smudging effect, but what do I know?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
And if you don't like the experience, you can always return it, but online retailers will charge you a restock fee.
jaunty hound
righteo, I will look into it. I don't know about all of that living in Australia cause we have a thing called the Australian Consumer Law which states all these return policies
void grove
Oh...
I just checked, last time I returned something one amazon, the return shipping fee was too bad for how much the item cost.
jaunty hound
yeah, i can't order alot of amazon, they don't ship over half of the stuff to Australia. Even if you are on the Australian amazon site
void grove
Ouch
jaunty hound
yeah
inland meteor
Its like that here in nz, but 10x worse
void grove
You might be lucky and find a brick and mortar store that sells them. :v
void grove
Devs just get lazy and set it to everything to the American price. :v Unless your currency is inferior to USD then you get upcharged.
jaunty hound
We have to use USD not AUD, so when you go and buy a $20 steam card, you only get $16 on steam
jaunty hound
wow
void grove
o:
inland meteor
Mosy of those a 1080 or 1080 ti
Most*
Which makes sense since who can really afford them for thier price atm
jaunty hound
I don't think i will get a mixed reality headset, I can find 1 from all our major tech retailers, and they are the same or more than a vive, and you can't really get a rift here without importing it from the US
jaunty hound
amazon australia... $920 AUD (700 USD) + shipping to my nearest major city, 8 hours drive away
void grove
oof
jaunty hound
i can get a vive for about half that
void grove
$460 aud?
jaunty hound
around 500-550
void grove
That's a little cheaper than US price.
jaunty hound
that was cheapest I could find by $200 though
and if i had the money atm I would probably buy it
mighty briar
Hi guys; I've been out of the news cycle for VR for a few years after wasn't really impressed with its first implementations. Spent the day going though different VR/AR/MR news and the one thing that keeps poping in my head is why are we still being limited to controllers? I'm not looking for mind reading VR, but I feel like specifically AR controlers take away from experience? am i missing a product or are we just not there yet? Also understand current VR games would be better for/with controlers
azure aurora
Anyone here
Able to help me find out if I can use a mixed reality headset for racing sims
I'm getting a wheel and pedals tomorrow .. and that $225 deal for the hp vr seems a good deal
Tag me if ya got some input pls 👌🏻
void grove
@azure aurora Depends on the game. but it might work if it has SteamVR support.
azure aurora
Okay .. honestly just any game lol
Asseto corsa project cars forza
Dirt
@void grove
void grove
azure aurora
I saw that haha
That's why it's got me intrigued
But I really really can't wait to get my hands on that wheel and pedal
Getting it tomorrow
void grove
From the video it seems fine.
void grove
And there's a Windows MR subreddit that you can poke around in too.
azure aurora
Ah. I'll have a go in that then
void grove
verbal coyote
clocks ladddd
void grove
Speaking of WMR I hope that someone release a headset with 4 cameras instead of the two, but there might be something in software preventing that.
rugged walrus
Oculus Santa Cruz has 4 cameras
void grove
But isn't that standalone?
And it looks like they're all on the front, I meant the other two would go on the back of the head strap.
rugged walrus
yeah it's standalone; they have the cameras on the edges so they can cover backwards to a pretty wide angle (no butt tracking though)
I think eventually all PC (and console) headsets will use that kind of tracking though
void grove
Yeah, I heard it's using Snapdragon SoC so the only difference between it and Go is the tacking... :/
That's really disappointing, unless they announce CV2 at Connect this year.
Or it can connect to your PC
grim badge
So I'm currently in an apartment where room-scale is basically a non option. Even if I didn't live on an upper floor of a building where the walls are basically made out of paper, the rooms are small enough that my bedroom, with my computer desk, bed, dresser, and other furniture make using room scale impossible even in an ideal setup. Should I still get a Vive and just use it seated, or should I just get a Rift?
sullen linden
@grim badge Don’t buy either. Honestly you won’t get full experiences out of either of them and if you still want a vr experience, you’ll probably want a windows mr headset because you won’t need to calibrate a play space with sensors. If you plan to move into a room where you can roomscale, the oculus or vive would be a nice option for now. You will heavily regret the $400+ investment into vr just for seated experiences, and the cheaper alternatives like WMR will give you a pretty similar experience in seated vr for a cheaper price
still nimbus
Yeah I've used a Vive in seated mode and it's just not the same experience
lean hazel
http://prntscr.com/ja76hd tempted to buy an VR set, if its worth it with that rig....
pearl scarab
Holy crap
You have a 8-core?
But a GTX 970?
That might work well with VR
But get an upgrade at some point
10 series is best candidate.
lapis wave
nice
jaunty vigil
thats really cool
carmine lintel
I want to try to get a chair like that for my wheel
keen olive
oak pawn
@sullen linden i got the space to get one of those. all I need now is money.
strange tusk
VRChat has been really fun recently if you play with some of your friends that you know in it but just playing it by yourself with random people can be just okay depending on what you are doing
left veldt
@sullen linden that is sick
strange tusk
Anyone know how to make your own avatar for VRChat?
And I’m trying to use blender to make one just need some help that’s all
lean hazel
@pearl scarab i recently upgraded my CPU since i was running an old i5 750 @ 4ghz, im looking into a gtx 980ti since i wanna build another pc later on with ryzen and the strongest gpu nvidia has for sale
sullen linden
If you can get one under $300 and you NEED a new pc right now, but if not, I’d just wait the extra few months for the new nvidia cards
lean hazel
i dont need a new one, if i get a 980ti for under 300 im fine with that
whole fossil
beat saber is coming out today!
rugged walrus
hype hype
whole fossil
i played beat saber and its so good
whole fossil
oh neat
still nimbus
guys do you prefer the htc vive of oculus rift? im leaning strongly towards a Vive
sullen linden
@still nimbus Oculus for the software, touch control immersion, and the headphone quality. All of these things I feel the vive has not done right to my likings.
frosty nebula
whole fossil
i love the rift
still nimbus
sullen linden
Smh
still nimbus
I tried both side by side and IMO the Vive is better
sullen linden
Well most of it is subjective I guess, but idk what I would do without the oculus store and its exclusive games
ivory parrot
I agree
I personally like the rift
because it fits my glasses
and is lighter
and is a bit more polished
its kinda like an iphone
not the most advanced
but well put together
vive is like an s9, it has all the bells and whistles and is more advanced
uneven charm
I'm tempted to cheapout and get a Mixed Reality Headset, so I don't pay out the nose for Facebook property, or have to futz around with my room to set up cameras for Vive. >.>
strange tusk
I already have a htc vive and from what I can tell in it is pretty decent on what it has since it can have a good amount of play area and the resolution of the actual headset itself but I don’t know how to compare it to a mixed reality headset nor a oculus rift headset since I don’t have those 2
mighty briar
Hey; I havn't had time to go through the facebook event, but was there anything AR/VR releated?
still nimbus
@strange tusk rift and Vive have exactly the same resolution of 1920x1200
rugged walrus
@mighty briar they launched the Oculus Go plus some new apps for it
rugged walrus
They also have the new half dome prototype
void grove
Spamming angry reax on Oculus livestream. :v
velvet verge
I hope someone here can help me. I just got my vive. It was working perfectly fine for the last few days and now it jitters and I get missing frames. Also every once in awhile my right controller will just fly off into space. I've tried turning off super sampling, off rear projection thing and the one above it. I can't remember what it's called. Also tried deleting my steamvr config.
I have an i7 don't know what model number I got the system 2 years ago, maybe 3.
Im also running a gtx960
still nimbus
GTX 960 is not technically within the minimum system requirements of the Vive
Can your lighthouses see each other?
velvet verge
When I ran the test a year ago using steam vr performance and the performance from test from HTC, both said it was good and ready. I did run the stream one again and it said high medium quality.
The lighthouses can see eachother. Opposing corners of the room facing eachother at a 45° angel to the ground
strange tusk
It’s probs just the graphics card sadly
whole fossil
isnt the 2nd lighthouse supposed to have power going to it?
sullen linden
@whole fossil the cable management is so good you can’t even see it
whole fossil
but look at the left one XD
dire monolith
He just saw Linus video 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1vu4no-EtE
onyx bramble
Are Windows Mixed Reality Headsets any good? I fount one on Amazon for $250 USD and I'm thinking of getting one.
rugged walrus
not as good as Rift and Vive, but a reasonable compromise considering how cheap they get ($250 is common, I've seen them at $220 a few times as well)
sullen linden
@onyx bramble there is a new one on microsofts website pretty often now for $200
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/d/hp-windows-mixed-reality-headset-with-motion-controllers/8n5g0j1qf74b?tduid=(47f6cb79f5434c0abc159988d0c0d868)(261853)(2939310)(wtbs_5aeccf01d8d37707abe63322)()&activetab=pivot%3Aoverviewtab its up $24 currently, but its a better deal.
steady bear
So we now have basically an entire VIVE worth of spare parts where I work
The shelf of vive
onyx bramble
@sullen linden I saw that in the store I'm hoping that its still gonna be there next Friday because thats when I get paid
velvet verge
@whole fossil I put power to it when I need to use it
sullen linden
would simulated mixed reality perform well on a gtx 760 with factory oc?
rain wolf
GTX 760 and VR doesn't add up
sullen linden
@rain wolf wdym
rain wolf
Too weak
Here is a good write up
After some tweaking, you could achieve 90 fps and have it running good
but that means lowering SS and tweaking
and expect to use low settings
With VR being already a bit blurry/aliased, I don't wanna think about the output
sullen linden
good question
how do i disable AA on vr since i don't really want/need it
yea, mixed reality simulator lets you tweak the resolution of the headset
@rain wolf again, my card is a super clocked evga
rain wolf
I don't think it's gonna save you. Maybe someone can correct me if i am wrong, but the architecture of the 700 series and 900/1000 series is enough different
Kepler, Maxwell and Pascal being progressively better than the last
sullen linden
yeah for one im missing the Maxwell introduced tech which is just one feature
let alone the latest ones
sullen linden
and it's 2gb vram
rain wolf
but there is a bigger difference to them
sullen linden
and i have a i7 4790(k)
rain wolf
Yeah, but, the graphics card isn't on par
I just dont wanna see you disappointed
Because I almsot took the same plunge with a GTX950
but I decided to get a GTX 1060
sullen linden
well i kind of bought a 2013 pc
xd
so what year made vr possible?
@sullen linden anything below a 780ti probably wont run vr too well, even that card is pushing it
i don't remember the values but is my superclocked card equivalent to a 780?
gtx 760
gilded isle
sullen linden
lol, then we have this dinosaur doing it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDjSG8YPXBs
atomic plinth
Should I get a psvr or save my pennies and buy a 1060 and an Oculus?
dire monolith
Save your pennies, PSVR is funny but it lacks of roomscale experience, good tracking and it's only 1080p60 (if you are running it off a PS4 Pro). And as the Oculus is getting cheaper and GPUs too, you should be able to get it in no time if you already had the money for a PSVR.
You could search for used Oculus near from where you live, you may find some brand new like for less than MSRP. I've done this with my Vive, I bought it in Switzerland (I live in France, it was a 2h drive to Lausanne, from Annecy) at 500CHF (about 430€, back in November when the Vive was at 700€ MSRP) and it works perfectly.
void grove
Looks like Daydream standalone has inside out tracking. 
https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/tablets/virtual-reality-and-smart-devices/virtual-and-augmented-reality/lenovo-mirage-solo/Mirage-Solo/p/ZZIRZRHVR01
rugged walrus
too bad it only has a single 3DOF controller, rather than a pair of 6DOF controllers
can't wait for devices like Santa Cruz to arrive, affordable 6DOF standalone headsets are the holy grail
sullen linden
is the htc vive worth 879 AUD?
rugged walrus
considering the oculus rift is 595 AUD, I would say definitely not
sullen linden
where can i get the rift for 595 aud? the site says 650 aud
final patrol
even 650 is better then 879 😄
its not a big dif between the old vive and rift
def not 230 $
get a ps4 slim for that prob
rugged walrus
Oculus.com charges 449 US dollars for Australians, which is 595 AU dollars
steady bear
So interesting story. One of my friends that just graduated from comp sci class today bought a rift with some of the cash his parents gave him. He was haveing some trouble getting it to work so he asked if I would help. I don't blame him for that, frankly I must be one of the most VR experienced people in my town, I've done everything and fixed just about every problem (on the Vive anyway). So I went over and turns out the problem was that the cameras were overloading the bandwith the USB 3 controller could handle. So I grabbed a PCI-E USB 3 card from my house to throw in the system. This guy that just graduated from a comp sci program that day, with a handmade system that I am 80% Shure he built was confused about how the card went in and had me do it because he thought he would mess up the computer.
Admittedly I think he was doing a software corse more than a hardware one, but still.
west stone
Yeah, software doesn't mean they know hardware at all. Had someone in an electrical engineering class who's up to that basically only used Mac. (Needed some pointers on Windows stuff)
Also as a freshly graduated student who just spend money on stuff... even if they know some stuff they might still prefer the very experienced guy to do it, because they might not be able to easily afford a broken PC.
cinder bloom
I didn't realize that Skyrim VR was out on PC....
And its fucking full priced....
So to Kinguin I go, for $30 off
cinder bloom
I launched my VR home world for the first time in a while, ended up wiring my VR headset though my roof from my PC room to my living room (75')
Anyways, first time launching it in a while now and the home will no longer let me walk around. And there's giant ERROR signs in front of me! No idea why....
So booted up a non-saved environment version of it. And it worked fine
So something screwed up. lol
But on my first topic! Finally got a solution set up for how I have VR setup
Bought a powered HDMI cable (75'), and a USB over Ethernet adapter (Cat5e cable, 50')
Used these so that my cables didn't have too many links or interrupts between my PC and VR headset. Just the one cable from PC to the link box essentially
Here's the side in my PC room.
Comes out in my living room wall. I placed it so that it was high enough that the VR cords wouldn't be near the ground to be stepped on. You'll see a picture hangar above the socket, I have a thick framed picture that has a hollow back that will allow me to tuck all the cables away behind it without causing an eyesore.
This isn't the setup for everyone, but worked perfectly for me.
My PC is on one end of the house, in a fairly small room so definitely no room for VR!
However my living room has plenty of open space, so was a perfect location to play in! My issue was not wanting to cart around my PC every time I wanted to play.
Now I just take a picture off the wall, plug the headset into the linkbox I have setup there. And voila!
.
I would also like to point out that I can still have everyone watch the game while I play it!
Little known fact, but the Valves Steamlink allows you to just browse the desktop as per normal. So by linking my Steamlink up to the TV in my living room I launch it, Exit big picture mode (it causes issues with VR when that tries to launch), select the game I want to play via the Steamlink or VR Home and ready to go!
I have had a couple very minor hiccups in terms of lag or whatever. But they seem to be caused by latency on my network, not fault of any of my connections.
verbal coyote
my VR hype thrusters have been re-activated after about 3 years of inactivity
this is the FUTURE bois
echo arena is fuckin amazing
cinder bloom
Thats Occulus exclusive isn't it?
void grove
Yes
rugged walrus
Echo Arena is great, really looking forward to Echo Combat though (and their vaguely announced continuation of Lone Echo as well)
lapis wave
this doesnt exactly apply to vr but im gonna ask here anyways
so i have a gtx 770, and i want to run VRChat
will it work if it's in a non-vr environment?
i did some research and i think i cant
since i have the 2gb version
opaque slate
it's a free game, go ahead and try
my r9 380x handles it perfectly well
which userbenchmark says is 2% faster than your 770
granted mine is a 4gb
but i don't think it uses all of that
steady bear
So while I've done just about everything on Vive I've hardly touched the Rift. I don't thin the problem is 100% related, but... The guy I was helping couldn't get the rift to work with the USB 3 ports on his mobo. I threw a PCI-E USB 3.0 controller in the system then I put one sensor and headset on the new PCI-E controller, and the second sensor on the mobo. That worked so I figured the rift just overloaded the onboard USB controller. He just got a new mobo and CPU today and put it in his system and now the PCI-E controller wont work and seems to have some driver issues. It is a driverless controller card, but we (unsuccessfully) tried to install drivers for the same chip from dell. He also mentioned that one of his front USB 3 ports didn't work, but the other did. All of the USB controllers in his system are using windows generic drivers and refuse to install the drivers from the mobos website (ASUS ROG STRIX B350-F GAMING)
rugged walrus
if the board won't work with the USB drivers, it sounds like it's RMA time
sullen linden
@steady bear make sure you go in the oculus settings-> devices so you can click on each sensor and the headset to verify it is on USB 3.0. When the usb controller is overloaded, some devices will be suspended and put back on a 2.0 bandwidth
You can download the oculus tray tool to prevent that from happening, but if you notice poor tracking quality, it’s probably the USB’s not being on a 3.0 bandwidth
deft crater
What do you people think about beat saber?
strange tusk
Love the game I usually play it almost everyday
sleek adder
its really fun
graceful path
Is it worth buying a ps4 for vr?
rugged walrus
probably not, the PSVR is nice as a cheap VR kit if you already own a PS4, but if you have to buy the PS4 as well, the price gets to the point where you'd be better off with PC VR
molten pond
vive is detected on reboot, but hdmi is not detected, ive tried everything on the internet to no avail
any help?
deft crater
huh not sure i haven't had issues. maybe some one more knowelaged person can help 
strange tusk
I like seeing what people are making for custom songs that I like for beat saber
ivory parrot
Get vr set up, get wireless, hurt knee, be sad
dire geyser
Help I just got a vr headset for my phone and am looking for a browser that I can use in VR and navigate with my Xbox one controller
pastel basin
I managed to get steamvr working on intel integrated graphics
🤔 it's a very interesting experience
dire monolith
"Everything is a dldio VR-capable GPU if you are brave enough"
cobalt cloud
Bought a (not used) Vive for $423.99. Yay Office Depot.
except it's gonna take a whole week to ship
agh the anticipation
dire monolith
Got mine used at 500 CHF (about 430€) in november
cobalt cloud
Yeah, Office Depot is having a store-wide 20% off event.
dire monolith
Nice!
cobalt cloud
so I took advantage
except it wasn't in stock
so I refreshed the page a gazillion times
and I think they blocked my IP address
but then I got unblocked
dire monolith
Oops
dire monolith
Profit
cobalt cloud
quickest online checkout I've ever done
and the confirmation email says this
but no no no
June 5th
dire monolith
It took me 1hr to find a good offer, after I dug into all offers in France (in the department of Haute-Savoie, in the Alps), I've decided to take a look at what was available in Switzerland, which is not too far from me. And then I got one, at 3hrs from my home, it costed me about 75€ of fees just to get there with a friend, but at the end it was worth it, because it was the cheapest one I could get at the time.
cobalt cloud
huh
Used on Amazon here in the US is pretty close to $430
all the time
also, it's crazy that you can literally just drive over to another country on any normal day
dire monolith
I'm at 30mins of Geneva ^^'
dire monolith
dire monolith
If you have some spare time, look at the 3D satelite view in Google Maps, it's so much beautiful.
cobalt cloud
woah that's pretty nice
dire monolith
(Ctrl+click to rotate the view if you don't know ^^)
cobalt cloud
huh, it's a valley
dire monolith
Yeah
cobalt cloud
dire monolith
With a lake of pure ice water.
dire monolith
Damn, 8hrs ! I mean, it takes me 6hrs to go to Paris from my home town...
cobalt cloud
The US is freakin' huge
I've been to Paris once, but only in an airport
connecting flight to London
dire monolith
Annecy > Paris is nearly the same distance than New York > Washington DC
(NY > DC is a bit shorter)
Well, New York > Richmond is exactly as long as Annecy > Paris.
So yeah, the US is freakin' huge, as of my Annecy > Paris trip is going through nearly the whole freakin' France.
cobalt cloud
Yeah, DC to NY can be even shorter by taking the Acela train
dire monolith
3h30 Annecy > Paris by TGV
dire monolith
I'd definitely like to travel through the US, a 1 year travel is my dream, one week per state. (Maybe more or less depending on what there is to visit)
cobalt cloud
Wow, one week per state
(You'll get bored in Iowa, probably)
Alaska and Hawai'i too?
dire monolith
Yeah
Maybe 2 weeks for Alaska, there is a lot of stuff that I'd like to see down here.
And I'd really like to visit some locals to share a bit with them, talking about how their life is going where they living.
cobalt cloud
That would be awesome to do, but I suck at social interactions lol
I've lived in the US for my entire life and have only been to maybe ten states for more than a day
maybe even less than that
hmmm let me count
Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Kentucky, Tennessee, Illinois, Georgia, West Virginia, Delaware, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Ohio, Oregon, Utah, South Carolina
ok, it was more than I originally thought
most of them were when I was really young
we should probably move this over to a general channel lol
dire monolith
I didn't traveled a lot (well I am only 20 so... I still have time ^^), multiple weeks in Spain, a week in Germany, couple of days in Switzerland, and I visited some part of France (Poitiers, Montpellier, Tours, Paris...)
And yeah, we definitely should move to another channel ^^' Can you mention me in a channel pls ?
hexed cove
Anyone here used windows mixed reality?
I'm thinking about getting the Lenovo explorer as it's pretty cheap yet really good at £250 with controllers
soft galleon
@hexed cove i have the HP WMR headset and i think its great for less than $300 its a steal definitely get it
hexed cove
I think the Lenovo one is very similar but with 10 degrees higher fov
P.s it's 3am here
I can get the HP one for about £230 to £240
Also, do you need a Bluetooth 4.0 adapter? @soft galleon
soft galleon
i just have a $12 bluetooth adapter off of amazon that i got last year so any cheap one from a reputable brand should be fine
i prefer the hp headset because the cable is removable so i can store it easier
@hexed cove what are your pc specs
hexed cove
i7 4790K, 14GB (yes 14 not 16 lol) RAM, GTX 970 SLI (soon to be 1180)
I have plenty of USB 3.0 ports too and I've checked and the USB controller is compatible
The only VR game that I have supports SLI is the Nvidia funhouse
soft galleon
the only issue u might have is with ur cpu as some of the the older cpus dont have a specific instruction set that wmr uses
hexed cove
What instruction?
SSE4.1 is supported on this CPU
If not, I can upgrade to an i7 5775C
soft galleon
i dont remeber exactly which set it is but i know older cpus speccificaly 3000 series and xeons arnt supported
i just remeber seeing a post about it on r/windowsmixedreality
hexed cove
5775C is the highest my motherboard supports
I'm going to build a mini itx ryzen build for my dad so I can use that
And make it so it can fit in a backpack style case
soft galleon
more than likely u should be completly fine but if u do run into issues that might be it
hexed cove
Does the WMR tool not pick it up?
soft galleon
the inside out traking make back pack vr super usable
if the wmr tool says ur good than u should be fine
soft galleon
ah so that why xeons wont work
hexed cove
I'm not sure if there's any other requirements but some Xeon CPU's should have AVX
AVX lets you perform some parallel instructions on the CPU instead of GPU I think
soft galleon
idk really anything about instruction sets
hexed cove
AVX was released with 4th gen
Correction, AVX2 was released with 4th gen
And MR requires AVX2
soft galleon
when u get ur headset defiantly get fallout 4 vr
hexed cove
You can break down the instruction to multiple smaller instructions for old CPU's but it will use a lot more cycles
soft galleon
and soundboxing
hexed cove
I'm about £50 short atm lol
Have you played Pavlov?
Anyways, I'm going back to sleep
soft galleon
gn man sorry for waking u
sullen linden
@hexed cove If you plan to do VR a lot, and you want a good experience, go for the oculus or vive, youll be happy in the longrun that you did. The tracking on the WMR gets by, but is not optimal for a lot of people. Also the controllers and game selection are much better on the two major headset compared to Windows. However, I am not dissing the WMR headset and totally think it has its place in the VR market. If you want a casual headset that is very simple to plug and play, and easy to travel with, the WMR is perfect for you.
hexed cove
The only problem is the vive is double the cost and oculus rift is £400.
mortal turtle
Oculus has higher display resolution, but requires a little better hardware to use. Best deal for the price.
dire monolith
@mortal turtle Actually, the Vive, the Rift and most of WMR headsets have the same display resolution (the 2 exceptions are the Samsung WMR headset and the Vive Pro which have a higher resolution).
The only difference would be the pixel density at the center of the lenses that could be higher or less depending on the headset FOV.
sullen linden
@hexed cove $200+ is a hefty investment for some, so you’ll want to make sure you buy the right headset for you. If might not be the oculus or the vive, but I’d look more into the differences and see if the lower price is worth the compromises
cobalt cloud
I am typing this while in VR. All hail Bigsceen Beta.
My monitor is now 55 inches and curved.
whole fossil
the beat saber mods are just great
hexed cove
The windows mixed reality headsets actually have the highest resolution of 1440x1440 per eye full RGB
Oculus rift and HTC vive have a resolution of 1080x1200 per eye but it's PenTile which means there's only 2 sub pixels per pixel. (It alternates between RG and BG pixels to get full colour)
The effective resolution of WMR is much higher than that of the oculus and HTC vive. More than double the subpixel resolution
full lotus
I'm just looking forward to the 2nd gen rift at the moment
The prototypes we've seen so far have been amazing
Eye tracking, varifocal displays, way higher fov and resolution
2nd gen is going to be awesome :D
opaque palm
hey guys... have had the Oculus go for a week now and gear vr before that.. just dipping toes in. Now I think its time to get a little deeper into it. I am a mac guy so will have to buy a laptop (no desktop for me) and the rift / vive / vive pro /samsung odyssey
but, wondered if I could actually cross this over into work life too. Has anyone ever done webex and other work related stuff in VR?
strange tusk
Haven’t done that yet was going to possibly soon
harsh magnet
The current best VR setup is using a PSVR on a PC. Least amount of screen door, inexpensive comparatively, most comfortable, 120Hz. It's great. I personally use a WMR headset because I got a good deal on it, but that would be my ideal setup.
hexed cove
PSVR doesn't have room scale so you would need nolo attachment or something
full lotus
@harsh magnet thats just not true at all.....
SDE effect on PSVR is awful compared to oculus or vive
Lower resolution, MUCH poorer tracking etc etc
it is very comfortable, but thats about all its got going for it
harsh magnet
The tracking is not as good yes, but the screen door is basically non-existent thanks to OLED, there are better colors, blacks, contrast, ect due to OLED as well. It should also have less ghosting effect which is important for VR. It's very noticeable for me with the WMR headset in games like Superhot, but it's fine in games like Job Simulator. It all depends on what's on screen. PSVR has some great advantages. Anyway, a large part of the tracking can be remedied by using Vive Controllers. There are documented ways of getting it to work with WMR headsets that would also work with the PSVR on PC.
@full lotus
Oh, and the resolution is technically higher (subpixel count wise)
full lotus
The PPD is MUCH lower
and when I tried it it was the first thing I noticed
don't get me wrong, PSVR isn't bad. Its an excellent budget headset
But it doesn't hold a candle to a vive or oculus
strange tusk
I’d still prefer vive than a PSVR
hexed cove
@full lotus PSVR might have lower resolution in terms of pixels but it has higher resolution in terms of subpixels.
PSVR uses full RGB stripe whereas oculus and HTC alternate between RG and BG per pixel
harsh magnet
@@full lotus What you may have seen in the psvr was maybe not the headset's fault. It could have just been a low "render scale" because of the PS4's lacking power. (Even the PS4 Pro can't drive VR that well)
full lotus
For me the tracking alone was enough to put me off
steady bear
When you have the cash in the bank to buy your own vive, but you need it for a con, but it is just sitting there.
strange tusk
I would wait for good deals for new vr headsets that will be coming out soon
void grove
New HMDs? 
full lotus
I wouldn't bet on new HMD's being released particularly soon
HTC only just released the vive pro, and the rift CV2 is still only in prototyping
and they've said they still have some ways to go before the varifocal display inside it is ready for wider release
probably won't see new HMD's until at LEAST late 2018/early 2019
Not from HTC/Oculus anyway
sullen linden
the main VR reveal conferences have already past this year, I really doubt we would hear anything about a new headset until 2019
rugged walrus
they have not confirmed that varifocal displays will be used in the Rift CV2
as for VR conferences, Oculus Connect 5 is happening in September
in other news, Echo Combat open beta + trailer hype is now going on
looks great so far, and I'm happy to see at least a couple different environments
Echo Arena did get a bit samey with just a single arena
ivory parrot
anyone use 4 sensors with rift
rugged walrus
week and a half to open beta 😀
steady bear
Woo I might be getting a VIVE of my own next weekend. Vive+audio strap+gels+50' extention for $425
sullen linden
50’ extension LUL that’s insane. I thought that wasn’t possible for usb 3.0, but I’m not too familiar with the plugins for vive. Getting my 20’ extension working on my rift was a hassle and became a lost project, but now I guess I gotta get it working again
full lotus
Active repeaters/extenders are normally fine
its just with passive extensions that it gets very tricky
sullen linden
@full lotus can you explain what an active extender does different than a passive extender?
Is it just that you lose power stability through the longer cables that you need another way to supply power to the usb? And at what range do you think that an active extender is needed vs a passive?
rugged walrus
an active extension has a chip receiving the signal and re-transmitting it further down the cable; that's important as signal integrity degrades over distance
sullen linden
Reading more into it, it looks like active extensions are just as unpredictable as passive extensions for users trying to extend the range of their oculus headsets. Going through reviews on multiple cable extensions, it looks like it’s pretty evenly split on each cable whether or not it works correctly, and whether it will introduce new audio issues or not
steady bear
Also the VIVE only uses USB2 (much more stable at long distances, ive used it at 50' with passive extenders) and the basestations don't need USB at all. Where the Rift uses 3 USB-3 cables at full speed, the VIVE only sips on a single USB-2 connection.
@sullen linden I find that stability of the Rift deepens a lot more on your motherboard and USB chipset than anything. Not to mention the Rift seems to be much less stable than the VIVE
sullen linden
@steady bear that’s definitely a plus to the vive, because I agree about stability of the rift being finicky. I have seen my sensors (and sometimes headset) degraded to usb 2.0 speeds on my older system, making the experience a bit clunky with only okay tracking.
strange tusk
You know the vive focus is coming soon just saying
steady bear
I never even heard of it, and looking at it it hasn't even came out in China yet. When Vive releases something first in China generally takes another 3 to 4 months plus for it to show up in the US. Plus it's just an advanced Google cardboard which was garbage from the start. I want actual VR not pretend junk. Cell phone VR is the lowest trash scam in VR. It's cool and neet that you can do VR with a cell phone, but when someone tries out cell phone VR they expect that it's the best that it could be, they think that PC VR can't be any better than it whatsoever, and it's what is killing VR. If VR doesn't catch on you can 100% blame Samsung and their gear VR.
opaque slate
VR being accepted by the masses is much more important than it being premium
that said, it's Google Cardboard that unlocked the flood gates to letting anyone with at least this much processor try VR
their new Daydream platform at least includes sensors, screen frame-time, GPU performance into account
but Samsung at least kept Gear VR to their higher end phones that could at least hold 60fps and had the larger screen to give an immersive experience
rugged walrus
@steady bear the 3rd Rift sensor runs USB 2.0. They even include a USB 2.0 extension with it. Worked fine on my old, cheap Z75 board, works fine on my new X470 board.
sullen linden
@rugged walrus he meant 1 to the headset and 2 to the sensors.
rugged walrus
be that as it may, it worked fine on old hardware, just not on shitty secondary USB controllers
sullen linden
@rugged walrus Ya, but some mobos have all of their usb 3’s on the same controller, or just bad controllers in general causing USB’s to suspend selectively unless you run the oculus tray tool
rugged walrus
as long as the same controller is the chipset, you should be fine
it's been fine on Z75 and X470 for me, so both Intel and AMD, old and new
vivid goblet
Lol everyone
VR is dead
pearl scarab
it quite is
but most of us can't afford vr
there's lots of things you have to buy to get it running well
a good system
a good vr kit
and maybe an extra lighthouse.
whole fossil
its not dead, i cant wait for the valve vr games
full lotus
The cost of an oculus + touch + a PC capable of VR today is less than the cost of a PC capable of running the original half life when it came out
sleek adder
i just treat it as a console purchase
rocky wing
would this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045532LU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1&tag=tomshardware_forum_vgl-20 be able to extend a lenovo explorer?
hexed cove
The cable "should" work but I don't think that particular one has been tested before
rocky wing
Its recommended for the oculus though I didn't know if the oculus and Lenovo explorer would be different enough for it not to work
rugged walrus
personally I've been using Ugreen extensions for USB and HDMI, and they work great
rocky wing
Reviews say it needs a powerful GPU for it to properly display. Would you think a 1070 sc would be good enough
rugged walrus
that would run things well
rocky wing
Ok!
eternal dagger
dell visor is pretty good
@rocky wing I use my evga 1070 sc so i can attest it works well
rocky wing
Ok! Going ahead and ordering it now
steady bear
WOO! I did it! I got a VIVE, audio strap, 50' active HDMI, 50' USB extension, and a spare (admittedly broken, but still useable to track cameras) controller. A over $750 value for only $400
The tracker head is broken off the controller body, so it works, but it kind of messed up.
The other controllers work like normal, but they don't vibrate, I'm going to see if I can fix them at some point.
strange tusk
noice
hasty rapids
Is there anything that exists that can keep my vive cable from touching my back when I play vr? it really breaks my immersion to feel a cable going down my back
inland meteor
Hook it to the ceiling?
open lintel
@hasty rapids if you have the thick cable with the huge 3 cables molded together, there's a replacement that's just a single skinny tether on Amazon
Also you could just get the TPCast wireless adapter
rugged walrus
Echo Combat open beta weekend is going on
sullen linden
Is the htc Vive worth it yet do you think?
I am getting a dual lga 2011 setup with an r9 390 and wandering if I should invest in VR
hexed cove
You want high IPC for VR
full lotus
@sullen linden dual lga 2011 is likely not ideal for vr
You want high ipc/single core performance
Not lots of cores
sullen linden
It's a Xeon e5 2670 so it has good single core performance
About on par with an i7 3770 I believe
full lotus
@sullen linden no the single core performance is almost identical to an i5 3330
its not great
xeons are not intended for single-threaded workloads
strange tusk
They’re used for multicore threaded workloads
tropic oasis
@full lotus does that mean I can't run a Minecraft server on one ;-;
cinder bloom
VR is more alive now than it was a couple years ago when it launched.
More headsets that are affordable for everyone, more supported titles from big developers,
And great titles like Beat Saber coming from indie developers.
full lotus
omfg beat saber is goddamn amazing
cinder bloom
SO GOOD
light trellis
tbh I really enjoyed skyrim VR, just the fact that you can shoot bows like a machine gun was enough for me to give it a try
sadly I dont own a VR and can play once in a while when I'm over at friends but I'll definetly get one in near future
strange tusk
Beatsaber was one the best things to come to vr
dapper crescent
dire monolith
If you can find one used near your location, it could, got my Vive for 430€ last november, used but was brand new looking, while it was 700€ brand new at this time. Just search a bit for a used Oculus or a Vive nearby, a lot of people are selling their nearly brand new headsets at really low prices, because they take too much space or they aren't using them enough.
frigid mesa
I bought beat saber, still got to try it, just got my new pc
I hope beat saber makes me loose some weight, I need more exercise
dire monolith
I think there is a lot of chances that it could happen.
frigid mesa
I got a real ocolus!
steady bear
As apposed to fake?
cinder bloom
There's always fakes. Though I'm not sure if fake VR headsets are common
cinder bloom
So just wanted to toss this out there, because my situation may be unique but maybe there's someone else who shares it with me.
My PC is quite far away from my VR play space, since my PC room on one side of the house, and VR is on the other.
So my solution was to run an active HDMI cable and an Active USB 3.0 cable through my walls and into the other room.
(Obviously the running through walls thing only applies if you own your house, so if you rent just run the cables along the floor).
The cables I ended up picking up was TrippLite 20M (65.6ft) Active USB 3.0 cable, as well as Monoprice Luxe Series Active High Speed HDMI Cable - 22.8M (75ft).
Even at those impressive lengths I have zero signal degredation, I can run the camera in my Vive at it's max refresh of 60hz and it still looks beautiful.
Link to where to buy the two items mentioned:
Monoprice HDMI:
https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024019&p_id=13762&seq=1&format=2
TrippLite Active USB 3.0: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01N59XNO7/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_6iAnBbMNQSBPE
umbral moth
I did the same thing with a LAN cable, It should work fine
cinder bloom
My initial sertup used an active HDMI and a USB over Ethernet, but at the distance I need the USB over Ethernet did not support microphone or camera.
Tracking worked fine however.
cinder bloom
@full lotus which game?
full lotus
"From Other Suns"
Basically you have to make your way back to earth before an alien mothership does, encountering pirates, traders, massive space stations etc along the way.
All of which you can board to get new gear, complete quests etc
its fantastic
steady bear
I have a 50' version of that HDMI cable and a USB over Ethernet, and I know others that have the same and I have NEVER had any problems. The VIVEs USB connection is MUCH more stable than the Rifts USB stupidity. I would assume that using active cables would even work on the Rift no problem, that is if you ever found a USB chipset that worked with it.
rugged walrus
Intel's Z75 and AMD's X470 both work just fine with a Rift + 3 sensors
just try to avoid secondary controllers from Asmedia and Marvell etc., they tend to be crap
void grove
That's $500 more then just getting it with the original base stations
full lotus
I honestly have no idea wtf HTC is doing atm.
I had the vive and oculus for a short while.
Both are fantastic products, though ended up selling my vive because the oculus was better in many areas (comfort mainly, also some of the best games like "echo arena" are oculus exclusive)
if they were the same cost, it would be a close match, with the oculus being cheaper, I see no reason to get a vive.
IF ITS $1700 WHY WOULD YOU BUY THAT!??
sullen linden
Got the Vive "full pack" (aka. stations + controllers + premium audio headset) for 600€ (because thanks Europe) and I'm satisfied, I don't see the point of getting the pro version even after testing it, although image quality is indeed better.
full lotus
Yeah I tried it, and it is better, but only JUST, certainly not $1000+ better
You would be better off spending the extra money on getting a 1080ti + 8700k and cranking the supersampling up
sullen linden
Does supersampling change anything when it comes to the grid effect?
Because that's exactly what I did, got a 8700K + 1080 Ti heh.
full lotus
I've found it makes a BIG difference when done through oculus
The steam supersampling helps a little but not as much though
On oculus the difference between 1 (normal) and 1.5 supersampling is insane
sullen linden
Where do I manage supersampling for a Vive?
full lotus
I honestly can't remember for steam :P
Lemme find out
sullen linden
Ah, if it's for Steam I think it's just in the SteamVR parameters, I'll search a bit.
dire monolith
The Vive Pro isn't a consumer product, it's made for enterprise or arcade use. So yeah, it's overpriced for anyone but the public it is intended for.
For once in a while, the "Pro" name isn't stick on the box just to make it the ultimate experience but the FOR THE PRO version
dire monolith
"High precision, large scale room, multiplayer VR tracking"
100% intended for Pro.
And also, they enhanced the headset strap to be adjusted quickly, which is useful for arcade VR stations.
Welp... They still want to sell it to consumer... But, mostly for "hardcore" consumer!
And yeah, the full kit with Steam Tracking 2.0 is sold on the Vive Enterprise website, so definitely intended for pros :
sullen linden
I mean, we know it's not really intended for your casual gamer (and VR itself still costs enough to be unreachable for really casual gamers), but compared to their current technology, unless I'm a big business with plenty of money, I'd rather just buy a full pack w/ premium audio headset (really easy to adjust too) for $600 because the difference isn't that high for such a different price tag.
dire monolith
The characteristic difference (improved precision, double the max room size, multi station and multi users support...) isn't that big but the hardware cost way more than the Steam Tracking 1.0 (counting the fact that there is 2 generations of the Lighthouse, second one was cheaper to make). Most of the cost is down to the Lighthouses v3, and the Vive Pro itself (for the full Vive Pro Kit). And you can still get the Vive Pro + Steam Tracking 1.0 stuff for 1000$ on their site (which means they sell 2 lighthouses v2 and 2 controllers for 200$, which is a bit more than the price of one controller, as the Vive Pro HMD itself costs 800$)
I don't say that the price is fair for everyone but for an enterprise point of view, 1400$/1000$ isn't a huge cost. But as a user of the regular Vive, I'll keep mine and buy a better gpu for supersampling.
Even if they changed the screen for a 3 subpixel one (each pixel is RGB instead of a grid system with only 2 subpixel) which is a big cost and a huge improvement.
full lotus
Im just looking forward to the oculus CV2
the vari-focal display they've been showing looks really good
dire monolith
I think I'll try the Vive Pro (a friend of mine got one with original Vive controllers/lighthouses) then see if it's really worth it to replace mine or just wait for another headset to come. As I don't want to have Oculus camera thing (I need my usb ports... And not running cables through my room...)
steady bear
Are the new base stations backwards compatible?
weary yarrow
https://youtu.be/XMY57l3lwCM Early trailer drop for a new VR game called "Dont Stop"coming this fall! made by a small group of developers.
frigid mesa
I still need to buy a 3rd sensor for oculus, as my tracking sucks
sullen linden
@frigid mesa if your tracking sucks, I’d make sure both sensors and the headset are on USB 3.0 because 2 sensors can be as good as a poorly setup 3 sensor setup
hard silo
Ay guys anyone here, I need advice
steady bear
Advice on what. Post your question if you have one.
tropic oasis
^
frigid mesa
@sullen linden true but both my sensors are in front I got none at the back, so if I rotate the tracking starts to fail
opaque slate
then set the 2 closer to 180 degrees from each other?
sullen linden
@frigid mesa Sensor Bounds in the oculus store lets you see what your sensors see so make sure you don’t have any dead spots that way, but if your tracking is still poor, then it’s a hardware issue where you need to check usb 3.0 connections. I’d recommend a 3rd sensor if your headset is on a 3.0 connection and your 2 original sensors are as well. Check in the oculus Devices tab and each one should specify their bandwidth
frigid mesa
cool ill give that app a try, i got Z370 board from gigabite. it should have plenty of 3.0 ports tho
sullen linden
@frigid mesa plenty of 3.0 doesn’t mean you’re guaranteed to have all of your devices on a steady usb 3.0 connection. Some motherboards load up their I/O ports but stick them to only one crappy controller which causes devices to get downgraded to usb 2.0 or suspended completely.
Just a check in the oculus app is the best way to diagnose though
frigid mesa
i got to admit that the usb's on this board are bit confusing with red, yellow, blue and black ports 😄
during instaltion they said "Ok"
sullen linden
@frigid mesa the red is a usb 3.1 that has more bandwidth than the blue 3.0 ports, but modern devices stilll rarely use that extra bandwidth between 3.1 and 3.0
The black ports are just regular 2.0
frigid mesa
yeh so i just got my mice in the black port, and both sensors in the yelllow ports (should be 3.0 with specail cleaner 5v signal, and the headset is in a blue port, should be 3 aswel 😄
frigid mesa
i see some nice new games in ocolus
i wish dolphin vr got updated or the team dolphin with vr support 😄
frigid mesa
beat saber is fun indeed
steady bear
@sullen linden red ports are only an MSI thing. They're not part of any actual standard
sullen linden
@steady bear jarno has a gigabyte and I have an asus, both of us have 3.1 ports
steady bear
Yes, but only MSI uses red ports to Mark latest gen USB ports
sullen linden
That’s my asus
And this is my mini itx gigabyte @steady bear
Both are 3.1 type A ports so it’s not only MSI
frigid mesa
yeh my gigabyte does have red ports
This is the IO of the "Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Ultra Gaming Wifi"
hushed pond
void grove
They're blue on Newegg's product page
Oh, I was on the wrong product page. :|
The yellow is for USB DAC-UP 2.
USB DAC-UP 2 continues to provide clean, isolated and low-noise power while adding the ability to compensate for voltage drop.
Virtual reality pioneers and gamers alike can rest assured that their expensive accessories and peripherals will not encounter connectivity or power deficiency issues with the AORUS USB DAC-UP 2. With Gaming Gear drawing large amounts of power and having firm specification requirements USB DAC-UP 2 is up for the challenge.
hey guys I'm trying to install the custom songs mod thing for beat Sabre but whenever I try and run the program that modifies the game I get this error. I even tried downloading the .net package directly from Microsoft
I also get the same error if I try and install it by enabling the future in the "turn Windows features on or off" menu
frigid mesa
@hushed pond yellow are special dac up ports, basicly their 5v lines are separated and there for more clean in case you plug in a dac, also the power can be overvolted so it will work on long usb cables
dusty salmon
Should i buy an oculus rift nnow fof 320 dollars or should i wait a year for the newer one?
rugged walrus
320 dollars is prettty reasonable
strange tusk
It really depends if you want to be in vr rn or wait for a year and then go in vr
@dusty salmon
dusty salmon
Yeah idk i have a 1050 ti which will run the lightest vr titles but i will make a new build next year in march with an i3 8350k 16gb ram and a 980 ti( i would build that if i would build it now but im obviously gonna get a better gpu and stiff if i wait a year) but i have barely enough money for an oculus rift now and i think vr is really cool
tropic oasis
@verbal jacinth you forget sfc /scannow
dire monolith
rugged walrus
could be excellent for VR arcades
not much use for the home market
guess it's another example of HTC moving in that direction
void grove
Well, not arcades but arenas like laser tag. :v
dusty salmon
That could be cool
frigid mesa
Meh my ocolus won't support steam vr2
void grove
I think there was a place in CO that was trying to open a large scale VR arena.
But it was for an adventure/exploration game.
steady bear
Yeah, The Void I think
Apparently you can buy tickets so I guess they are open. https://www.thevoid.com/
steady bear
Oh yeah? You should go do research and let us know how it compares.
What city is it in? I would guess it would be up in Ogden, but I only lived in West Jordan for a few months so I I could only make a vague guess
fast sequoia
I'm a bit late to the party but the VOID (at least in the UK) was a 30-min Star Wars VR experience with a leap motion and IR tracked blasters. The headset (dk2 I think) was integrated into the PC and you walked between rooms with three other people, who were all tracked in VR, where you would have to complete various tasks. Your 'backpack PC' also had vibrators which would activate when you were hit by an enemy.
steady bear
Ok. I was wondering if they were somehow using wireless VR or just something with a backpack PC
fast sequoia
it was multiple backpack PCs connected together in some way
void grove
obtuse bridge
Is playing those Japanese VR hentai game a good enough reason to buy a VR headset ?
void grove
Yes, kanojo vr is best game 11/10! 
fast sequoia
Run the SteamVR Performance Test @obtuse bridge
strange tusk
^
rugged walrus
no, it will not do well in VR
without ASW support, the minimum is an R9 290, while the 7950 is a slower clocked R9 280
dire monolith
steady bear
@void grove is that what they had at Anime Expo? Where do I buy the inflatable? Is there a penetrateable version?
surreal scroll
To reply to your week old comment, Justin, it's in Lindon. You know, not the most ghetto city in Utah.
dusty salmon
Oculus rift or vive? (my room is small so the rift is perfect for me)
rugged walrus
Rift is cheaper, more comfortable and convenient, has better controllers, and due to ASW has reduced hardware requirements
it does use more USB ports and you'll have a little more cable routing to organize; it also comes with shorter cables so you might need to buy extensions (maybe not with a small room though)
dusty salmon
What do you think i should get?
rugged walrus
Rift makes the most sense, but they're both good headsets
dire monolith
It's mostly down to which headset you can have for the best price, but only if room scale gaming isn't mandatory (if it is, go for the Vive) imo
dusty salmon
But my room is tiny
rugged walrus
the Rift does roomscale just fine anyway
strange tusk
Since your room is tiny I suggest the rift
full lotus
Get the rift
also, the idea that the rift can't do roomscale is a complete myth
if you add a 3rd sensor (which even if you do its STILL cheaper than the vive) then it does roomscale beautifully
The only downside is you have to run the sensor cables
but other than that its just as if not better than the vive due to the MUCH better controllers, much lighter and more comfortable etc
void grove
Hoping they announce a Rift 2 at connect this year.
full lotus
I think the CV2 is probably a little bit out. They've been showing off the "half-dome" prototype with the varifocal displays with looks fucking awesome, but theyve said its not quite ready for a consumer model yet
so I would expect them to wait until that is ready. Especially since the vive pro was kinda a joke
They're gaining market share and have the majority currently so there's no pressure for them to release a CV2 just yet
void grove
What an updated version that has a higher resolution and supports the prescription Go lenses? That would be nice and wouldn't really be a CV2 more of a CV+. :V
But I'd still be a stretch if they're only focusing on Santa Cruz and CV2.
full lotus
I tried out the oculus go a couple days back. The resolution + lenses on it really are wonderful, and as a result the image is noticeably better than the rift CV1
But as you say, just doing that wouldn't really be a CV2
And given as the oculus already has better lenses etc than the vive, and the vive pro for SOME reason is still using the same mediocre lenses, again, oculus is under no pressure.
I expect they won't release a new PC headset until CV2 once varifocal is ready, possibly with eye tracking stuff too.
tropic hornet
dusty salmon
Yeah just go buy a cheap gtx 1060 or a 980 lor something
Im looking forward to the new oculus rift because for them to put out a new rift they have to upgrade it quite a bit so immersuon will probably be even better
Btw the oculus live website is fucked up for me, can someone check if there is one to test near dalarna?
full lotus
@tropic hornet no, you can't run VR on an integrated GPU
Not even sure why that benchmark is in the yellow tbh
but yeah, you'll need to grab a 1060/1070 or something first
dusty salmon
Do you guys know anything about the new oculus/half dome thing
full lotus
A fair amount
Basically it incorporates a varifocal display (which is important to depth-perception in VR, and no headset has incorporated this yet)
As well as eye tracking (for foveated rendering and likely game features too), much bigger FOV, I don't believe resolution has been explicitly mentioned but given as they are increasing FOV and adding eye tracking its safe to assume resolution will go up too.
Also looks like some further-improved lenses
They have said "don't expect to see anything soon"
So it would likely be releasing late 2019 at the earliest
they probably would have pushed it out faster if HTC had released something competitive
sullen linden
oof