development

[twin arch]

im using intilij idea

[proper gale]

IDEs to a shitload of work for you

[twin arch]

i just clicked the build button

[proper gale]

IDEA is no exception.

you need to add a build artifact, then you will get a jar from that

open the project settings (Ctrl + Shift + Alt + S)

left column, Artifacts.

add a new one, Jar, from module with dependencies, select the module (should only be one), select main class, select dep behavior, click ok.

should add the build artifact, click ok again.

under the build menu, build artifact, select your artifact.

@twin arch got all that?

[twin arch]

yes

i got it onto my vm

[proper gale]

now, run the jar.

also, i highly recommend not having it in the /usr directory

[twin arch]

better idea?

also it didn't work

[proper gale]

even if you are root, i would recommend a directory such as /Meebo

[twin arch]

ok

[proper gale]

what error did it give you this time?

[twin arch]

all of these

[proper gale]

build artifact is wrong, did you select the main class, or type it in?

[twin arch]

yup

[proper gale]

while technically a corrrect answer, that is not what i was looking for

[proper gale]

oh, wait, im dumb, i thought you did the command right.

when running a jar, you need to use the -jar argument

java -jar jarname.jar

[twin arch]

wait so you can't run classes anymore?

i thought i did that a while ago

back when i used javac and notepad

[proper gale]

you are not running a class, you are running a jar (a bunch of classes)

[twin arch]

yeah but earlier

i was tryiong to

ok lemme try -jar

hey yo

it works

kinda

[proper gale]

what isn't working?

[twin arch]

i didn't see the text file it was supposed to create in my sftp explorer but it just hadn't refreshed yet

thanks

[tropic sapphire]

@modern nest nice oc but 0% deep sleep?

[modern nest]

Thats a problem with pie and doubletap2wake @tropic sapphire

[ember torrent]

Is it fair to call a developer incompetent if they're a AAA dev who can't fix a bug, that's been going on for a year, and is it fair to give them a pass by saying this is normal with millions of lines of code?

Also, said dev said they fixed it..but..they didn't Basically, in destiny 2 in one boss fight there's a bug that causes you to die every time you go into the void room. For no reason your character just gets pulled over. Seems like a simple fix to me.

[proper gale]

@ember torrent i highly doubt there are millions of lines considering that Linux is only a bit over 20million lines.

now, as to the actual problem, they are fucking idiots

[ember torrent]

Ya, I am not sure where this fangirl was getting her numbers. That wasn't my claim. I stand by claim that Bungie is an incompetent developer who likes to fuck their community. 180 bucks later for all of destiny 2, and they won't even fix their shit when it's been a year.

I just told her it was bs, a developer of that level should be able to fix such bugs to the point they go away, and she's like.."Nah, millions of lines of code it's impossible"

[proper gale]

i mean, you can tell based on compiled size how long the source code is

or, rather, how long the unique source code is.

for example, my entire RocketLeague folder is 7.4GB

[dark thicket]

patches have made devs lazier

[ember torrent]

destiny 2 is like 40-50gbs iirc

[proper gale]

the binary is 47MB

[dark thicket]

you can take out the textures, audio, maps, and all of that out of the file size

[proper gale]

assuming same ratio (Rocketleage is heavily assets)

the binary of Destiny 2 should be around 310MB

[dark thicket]

the ps2 and xbox era of games made devs betters as if they fucked up the bug was forever in the game

[ember torrent]

"In video game development the fixing of one bug causes more no matter how skilled you are, its the nature of these massive complex games. "

[proper gale]

just boost compiled in release mode is 230MB

thats programming in general

[ember torrent]

" When you have millions of lines of code, literal millions, searching for the cause for the bug alone can take forever. Your naive and a liar. We support bungie through massive amounts of crayon eating not because we like bungie but because we enjoy their game and hope that through our support it will continue to get better. You can keep spewing out your ass like youre some big smart man and you can continue lying about being a game dev major but everyone here will very easily see through it and see just how stupid you are.
" Do you see what I mean by a fan girl?

[proper gale]

yes

[ember torrent]

She got pissy cuz she learned I'm a dev major and called her out.

[proper gale]

to get boost into perspective

there have been 7566 man years put into it

at an average salary of $55k (low) that is 416 million dollars.

games development costs and time dont even come close

they have in the hundres of thousands at most.

i would be amased of a game broke 1 million lines of unique source

unique source: source code not copied from another section of the code, this does not mean that } is counted out as a unique line of code.

[ember torrent]

Well, they claim they're actively working on it..yet.. Bungie is known for being dicks. Like they hate the infusion system that "they" created. So, they literally punish us for it by making us work extra hard. Matchmaking is broken because to leave it you have to spam cancel. The net code is so bad I can get shot behind cover in PVP when I'm not lagging.

[dark thicket]

I wonder what it would be like if you assigned an AI to produce an physics engine giving it real world gravity input to work with

like how googles AI created it's own encryption in that one test

[proper gale]

you can actually do that

and its not as hard as you may think

the problem with AI, is that it has a O(1) time

and while that may seem good on the outside

its a high time

[ember torrent]

all the binary crap is in the game's bin folder/s right?

[proper gale]

yes

[dark thicket]

I've watched those videos where a AI learns how to play a game those are pretty fun to watch

[ember torrent]

I don't think this is millions of lines

[proper gale]

to be specifc, you would give the network information about the object and train it off simulations.

@dark thicket that is the genetic generation model, which is completely different from neural networks/deep learning.

libdcef is a publicly available library

[dark thicket]

it just keeps trying and takes the best sample from each generation from what i understand

[proper gale]

to be exact, thats chromium

[ember torrent]

oh

tbh I only clicked on that randomly lol

[dark thicket]

I don't know anything about coding I used to play with a games scripting language changing variables just to see what would happen

[proper gale]

the vulkan version of DOOM, is 100MB

the whole folder is 74GB

[ember torrent]

I think the largest game I've found was like 120gbs and that was gears of war 4 on the ms store for windows 10

[proper gale]

74GB/100MB == source code is tiny

compilers are generally quite amazing when it comes to making code small

correction on boost, its about 34MB compiled.

[ember torrent]

Ya, figures she's just buying into the bs Bungie feeds her. Same idiots who claim dedicated servers are super expensive and not good for the community.

I mean Quake Champions uses dedicated and that's a F2P

[proper gale]

the source is 354.6MB of impl, and 130MB of headers, all ofr 34MB of compiled code.

dedicated servers are cheap af on the scale of destiny

[ember torrent]

Ya, I am questioning how their network guy has a degree when he actually believes his p2p meets client based hybrid server is better.

It's broken the game

[proper gale]

a 2p2 mesh network is generally better

when it comes to real time syncronzation at a level lower (less time) than the p2p latency, it just doesnt work.

[dark thicket]

resident evil's online play for ps2 was broken, keys required for progressing would spawn inside walls and stuff so they killed off that part of the game

[tropic grail]

How hard is it to fix a wall-spawn bug.

Literally built into some game engines.

[proper gale]

depends.

[ember torrent]

I mean how does a p2p/client based server work in the hybrid sense?

[proper gale]

tldr, instead of your computer telling a server that you moved, you just tell everyone that you moved.

[ember torrent]

oh

[tropic grail]

Garbo.

[proper gale]

the normal way of doing it, is like having the server be a giant whiteboard where you can see where everyone is at all time, all in one place.

[ember torrent]

I'm tired of getting shot through solid objects because of it.

[proper gale]

a p2p way is like everyone shouting that they moved.

it is generally better, because there is no one point of failure/bottleneck and players nearby experiance a lower latency

but because residential connections suck, and players are not nearby at all times, the latency can be ever higher

if the server was on OVH's network (a classicly bad one), it would still have fiber dedicated to OVH to/from each datacenter

[ember torrent]

Well, I'm not lagging, they are not lagging, but the game is the only time we do lag. I get shot through walls, boxes, I get a kill 5 seconds after I die, and their bullets are not easy to dodge because they don't match when they fire.

This is like every pvp match for the past 2 weeks.

[proper gale]

this results in a lower latency because the packet can go to the nearest server, which can then send it over a faster line to the other servers, who can send it out sooner.

so, thats due to latency/synchronization, which p2p is classicly bad at.

[ember torrent]

my favorite is when we go to orbit, but don't wanna stay in matchmaking we then have to hit cancel 10 times at minimum to even leave that because the first 9 cancels are not registering.

[proper gale]

this should explain it, https://imgur.com/iEP01Ee

[ember torrent]

Okay ya they need to invest in dedicated servers slaps it

[proper gale]

you see how that could go poorly with a game?

[ember torrent]

yes

[proper gale]

great for file transfer, that takes on the order of minutes (for things the torrent protocal can help with)

order doesnt matter

and if it takes 50ms for a responce, thats fine.

for a game on the other hand

order does matter

and 50ms is an extremely higher response time.

[ember torrent]

this is why I'm quitting destiny 2 I feel robbed of 540 dollars. I mean I was gifted most of it, but I have destiny 2 on PC/PS4/XBO. That's 180 bucks times 3.

[proper gale]

$540?

jesus christ m9, why?

[ember torrent]

100 bucks for the base game + first 2 expansions, 80 bucks for forsaken in total.

[proper gale]

pick a platform, and go wtih it.

$100 for the game, what a fucking rip

[ember torrent]

another 80 if you wanna keep playing lol

[proper gale]

i got DOOM for $60, and my brother did for $40

[ember torrent]

I mean I was mostly gifted this crap, but like I'd feel worse if it were my own money.

[proper gale]

that now includes all DLC because id software is baller af

[ember torrent]

Ya, that's why I'm going back to doom/quake champions/unreal

[proper gale]

now, lets ask this question

how can a company make the best game engine (i can back this up), a fucking great game with stunning visuals, make a IMO great 22 year later new version of a classic game, have the best engine programmer write the engine, and sell it and all its dlc for only $60?

the answer, by making a good game, so people buy it, and you get repeat customers, and a lot of them (that are not 12)

[ember torrent]

John Carmack is the answer.

[proper gale]

and that

John Carmack did some amazing things with that engine

[ember torrent]

when he left the only guy who could replace him was the dude who created the cryteks

[proper gale]

i have seen no other engine run as well as idtech, and it looks better while doing it

there were two people iirc

[ember torrent]

hm, hold on

[proper gale]

my favorite part about idtech, is that unline literally every other engine it uses OpenGL/Vulkan.

and guess what, Carmack was right

D3D is shit

http://rmitz.org/carmack.on.opengl.html

John Carmack
Id Software```

[deep scarab]

was that the guy who invented the fast inverse sqrt?

[ember torrent]

lol and Tiago Sousa is the guy who replaced him

[proper gale]

yes

and the guy that made 3d a thing

[ember torrent]

in his spare time he builds commercial flights to space not even joking

[proper gale]

and the guy that made quake require not just a 486, but an intel one at that.

if you used a cyrix one, you performance would be about half

not because the CPU had a lower int rate, or fp rate, but rather because it could not do both at the same time.

[ember torrent]

Armadillo Aerospace is what it was called.

[proper gale]

on a side note, the DOOM 1 engine is really interesting

to explain why

the generally thought of as a 3d game, DOOM, is actually a top down 2d shooter.

even though that gives no explanation as to how, it explains the wtf element of what he pulled

[ember torrent]

wasn't it somewhat fake 3d, though?

[proper gale]

100%

same with wolfenstein 3d

the first actually 3d game that id made was quake

if you notice, in DOOM 1/2 there are never any room stacked on top of one another

this is because there is a texture map and a height map, these are both 2d

add a lot of fancy texture processing, and walah, it looks 3d but its not.

[ember torrent]

I remember watching a video on it that got popular. Funny thing is Duke Nukem and most Apoggee games from that era were 2D

Like Secret Agent and Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure.

[proper gale]

any "3d" games from that era, use the same technique as doom

[ember torrent]

have you seen old games from what became 3d realms?

[proper gale]

no

tldr of if a game is "3d" or actually 3d, if it has 3d in its name its "3d" not actual 3d.

[ember torrent]

the very first duke nukem

[proper gale]

yup

make a guess why UIs in old games are so large

[ember torrent]

SW limitations at the time? bad guess most likely

[proper gale]

usually HW limitations

[ember torrent]

oh

[proper gale]

HW limiting SW.

when you only have so much CPU, you can only do so much.

[ember torrent]

Here was their other big hit at the time next to Duke Nukem

[proper gale]

another thing that you may find interesting, OpenGL (and Vulkan) are 2d rendering APIs with depth buffering.

OpenGL 3.0 forward compat and higher versions

GL2.1 and lower operate in a fundamentally different way, and is more of a 3d api

[ember torrent]

So, how are they not 3d?

[proper gale]

how many dimensions is your screen?

you take 3d world date -> fancy math -> projected (field of view) 2d with depth (not 3d)

this could be implemented on a fully 2d renderer

render each triangle to a different framebuffer, use a secondary buffer as depth storage, compress rendering onto main buffer by comparing depth values and writing the one with the lowest/highest (depends on API, and API settings) value

GPUs do basically this exact process, just much much faster.

[ember torrent]

12 if I throw it into a black hole

[proper gale]

hmm?

[ember torrent]

You asked how many dimensions my screen was lol

I made a bad joke

[proper gale]

oh, you were a bit late to be responding to that

there is physical hardware dedicated to frament discard, matrix math, texture mapping, etc.

[ember torrent]

ya, I was being spammed by someone. But, that does make sense.

[proper gale]

ever wonder what a ROP does?

[ember torrent]

remind me of that again I'm still getting back into all of this lol

[proper gale]

if this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_output_unit) makes no sense to you, ill give the tldr.

[ember torrent]

I was thinking of a type of programming for a second

[proper gale]

it bascially handles rasterization and depth testing, anti aliasing, etc.

[ember torrent]

But, ya I know what that is.

[proper gale]

also, by name, writes the render result to the framebuffer.

as the name would suggest, a Render Output Processor/pipeline/unit (take your pick)

[ember torrent]

So, what do you think will handle rendering and tasks in maya better the 2080ti or potentially Navi/7nm GPUs? I know it's hard to say with navi atm.

[proper gale]

depends on the vega GPU

also, only the 2080ti vs 7nm vega?

no quadros?

because quadros will whoop ass in maya

[ember torrent]

Well, 2080ti and Navi = consumer cards that can game and develop. Heavy dev focus = quadro and vega 20

[proper gale]

navi is to consumer as skylake is to desktop...

[ember torrent]

I should have said gaming card lol

[proper gale]

now, while we dont have 2080tis, you can compare the 1080ti and the Vega 64.

top tier offerings from each vendor

[ember torrent]

ya the 2080ti got delayed until the 27th, the 2080 is out now and matches the 1080ti.

[proper gale]

and, well, the Vega is faster.

by about 20%

[ember torrent]

Doesn't the 64 equate to a 1080? Or, is that only in gaming?

[proper gale]

gaming

it whoops a 1080s ass in compte

my Vega does 14TFlop compute

and upward of 450GB/s mem bandwidth

14tflop fp32

[ember torrent]

I do have a budget next fall of up to 1200 usd

[proper gale]

a 1080ti does 11.3 by spec

as for 1080ti vs vega64, https://code.blender.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Screen-Shot-2017-11-24-at-16.52.22-1024x562.png

[ember torrent]

I mean I could get a vega fe basically 64 with 16gbs of hbms 2

[proper gale]

a VFE is usually even faster for these tasks

due to driver optimization

butttttttt, if you are on linux the same driver runs on both, and they are basically the same thing

[ember torrent]

I'm on windows 10 but plan to boot into fedora

via dualboot

[proper gale]

fedora doesnt play nice with the driver, unless you plan to use the inbuilt kernel driver and mesa

[ember torrent]

what distros work better?

[proper gale]

i would recommend using Ubuntu 18.04 and the propritary driver for more performance.

which is what i do

[ember torrent]

Hopefully ubuntu wants to work this time. Every time I try I get some gnu issue

[proper gale]

if you sift through that benchmark graph, you will see that the Vega 64 beats the 1080ti every time

someitmes, quite handily.

[ember torrent]

ya, I did

[proper gale]

the classroom is the most significant difference by the looks of it

[ember torrent]

Hopefully navi beats the 2080ti in rendering and at least matches the 2080 in gaming.

[proper gale]

im good with my Vega 64

i had a pair of 970s, then a 980ti when it was to of the line.

then, i got my first new AMD card

an R9 Fury.

i have sense not bought another new Nvidia card

IMO, the AMD driver UI is better.

[ember torrent]

Well, I finally got the thermal griz, 1950x, and other new components working. I was mostly AMD like 280x crossfire, 390, fury then I went to 1080 for gaming. And, ya I agree I hate this cluster fuck 2 program bs Nvidia does.

[proper gale]

also, AMD is much more baller as a company

Nvidia makes great products

AMD makes great technology

TressFX?

RadeonRays?

[ember torrent]

Yup, wishing for Navi to be better cuz I want to turn on freesync too

4k monitor with freesync, 1080

[proper gale]

their open source Vulakan driver

[ember torrent]

one company I miss from the common consumer market = IBM

[proper gale]

freesync, Anvil (look it up), RadeonProRender, CodeXL, RGP,

and, lets talk about their most baller project, ROCm

you know, the thing that allows you to run CUDA on AMD gpus

[ember torrent]

oh, the vulkan wrapper

[proper gale]

because nvidia is such a dick, AMD went and made their own CUDA to OpenCL suite so you dont need to worry about if the application will run on your GPU because its AMD, it will, despite nvidia.

they have their open source driver

that was mainlined with the linux kernel

so, ya know, a 1st party driver installed without needing to go through the bullshit that is installing the nvidia driver.

and thats just to mention a few things AMD does.

[ember torrent]

dayum, vega fes are dropping to 500-750 on the used market

[proper gale]

i got my V64 for $450 back in November.

[ember torrent]

I paid 500 something for my 1080

[proper gale]

same time i got my 1700x

VFE, $500 shipped https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/9cz7ef/usapa_h_4_vega_frontier_edition_cards_w_paypal/

[ember torrent]

waiting for black friday to finish my workstation upgrades

[proper gale]

that was a couple weeks ago though

V64 $465: https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/8x4jdn/usama_h_vega_64_w_paypal/

[ember torrent]

ya, ebays loaded with those I don't need that much until next full when I do more projects for school and what not. But, as I said if the 2080ti or navi don't seem worth it by next november I'll just buy a used FE

[proper gale]

damn it reddit, keep my sort order plz, thx

[ember torrent]

well, I'll talk to you later my gf made me take something for my cold and now it's knocking my ass out. XD

[proper gale]

heh, i should get to sleep myself

school, after school activity, then bowling practice, fucking tired

bowling practice doesnt sound tiring, but when its like 40 minutes of as fast as the lane will go, you get tired real quick.

[ember torrent]

Didn't realize bowling still existed. Most places here closed down

[proper gale]

It's still a thing

Quite a fee alleys here in San Diego

My personal favorite is my local one, not because it's local but because it's only 12 lanes.

[ember torrent]

I haven't bowled in 15 years. Was toying with games and coding mostly reading game making books by guys like Andre Lamothe

[proper gale]

Huh

I need pe credits, and bowling is one way to get them.

[ember torrent]

Oh, I just workout. I just had to go to PE for credit. Did that senior year. Mostly focused on computer courses.

[proper gale]

What courses?

My school doesn't go as high as I am, so it's self study for me.

[ember torrent]

Mostly typing, editing, and light html. They didn't give us programming until college. For me it was alice3d, raptor, pyyhon, vb, and java.

[proper gale]

Also, it's 1 day a week, for a couple hours.
It's not expensive, and it's a nice to hang out with fiends and make fun of them (I'm better than most of them)

Heh, no programming until college...

I would consider myself fluent in c++, 11th grade

This is after Java.

Not to mention GL and vk.

[ember torrent]

Ya, programming wasn't big until the 2010s in most of America in grade schools. So, schools adopting it is somewhat modern outside of a few exceptions

I graduated in 2008, got my first degree a bit after going to work on my second next year or in 2020 to do a double major

[proper gale]

Noice

[ember torrent]

what's funny is people downvoted the fangirl and people are now pissed off at bungie even more because of my comments.

[proper gale]

reddit?

[nocturne galleon]

I love how only 2 people use this. And now I want to make it 3. Have you tried Solus?

[ember torrent]

@proper gale Bungie's forum

[proper gale]

huh

[ember torrent]

Where the comments are.

[ember torrent]

Oh wow, now the entire forum is calling Bungie incompetent. XD

[tropic sapphire]

We have always said that even back in d1.

[ember torrent]

Ya, but they haven't been this vocal about it on the forum. Loyal players are leaving now in greater amounts than with vanilla d2.

I just like the fact that they always brag about how big their development team is, but they're not really that great either.

[proper gale]

@ember torrent what one developer can do in one month, two can do in two months.

adding more people do the development of a project doesnt scale as you may think.

[ember torrent]

Well, Bungie is bragging about how large their dev team is in the sense that they're also good at what they do.

[proper gale]

espically when the people are not good individually

[ember torrent]

I mean I know they're not good. I'm just laughing at their bragging and claims.

[proper gale]

in total, idsoftware has ~270 people, bungie has ~750

how can 270 do more than 750?

[ember torrent]

Because id is actually competent

[proper gale]

exactly

and id looks like a bunch of bumbling idiots compared to kernel devs

correction on Bungie's employee count, there are 875 of them.

[ember torrent]

Well, id has Tiago Sousa who is a better dev than anyone at Bungie lol

He was Crytek's principal graphics engineer and replaced John Carmack

[swift niche]

This is pretty specific, but to;dir I have a system I want to use for a machine learning program that'll rely mostly on the GPU(s), but the CPU itself doesn't support the AVX instruction set (it's an i7-970, so 6c 12t is cool)

My question is if anyone knows if the lack of AVX will be q huge hinderence or nah

[jade nova]

I’m creating a client/server application in Java however I don’t want the server to immediately do a socket.accept() on the client socket which would allow a potentially malicious person in, I want it to pass through an if statement and if the remote address has been added to the blacklist then it closes the connection, otherwise it accepts

[lapis pebble]

@swift niche To learn? don't worry

@jade nova https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13062494/server-socket-to-accept-connection-from-particular-ip-java

[ember kiln]

@swift niche if you're going to be doing most of the work on the GPU, I don't think it would be a big issue to not have AVX because any time you need to vectorise you'd probably be better off using the GPU anyway

[tropic grail]

The Mortis strikes.

[fallow lantern]

No clue if this is the best place to ask but:

Would there be by any chance a docker that can manage any amount of java instances? Where you can just create a few batch files to load up, with a console in the browser/commands to control the instance? maybe combines with some log of cpu/memory

[split condor]

Could you explain what you want a bit more/differently @fallow lantern?

Typically a single Docker container will hold a single instance of some application (in your case, something on the JVM). I believe the Docker daemon already exposes information regarding container resource usage, but you'll need to handle application metrics. You can find third-party tools to manage these containers from a web interface.

[fallow lantern]

Well, i got the idea from Minecraft, they have dockers that can run multiple servers within a docker, I use a VM right now to run a few different java servers including a Minecraft server, but i would like a general JVM solution without having to create a docker for every single server, both because I would have no clue how and if you can do it with programs that are not opensource and I just don't want 10 dockers running different java servers

[split condor]

they have dockers that can run multiple servers within a docker

What do you mean? There is no reason to have multiple instances running in one container. That kind of defeats the purpose.

You can have multiple containers running, each for a single server. You will have one Dockerfile to use for Minecraft servers. When you are starting a container you can specify a port on the host machine that will forward into the container's 25565 port.

Then you can then bind them together with whatever proxy suite you want (whether that be BungeeCord or LillyPad) so that they act as a single server, or treat them as individual ones.

If you could share some more details about those ten different instances you want running (what is their purpose? what kind of server are they?) we may be able to help out some more

From what you have described so far I'm gonna recommend leading away from Docker, and trying out some game panels. This is one that's fairly popular with Minecraft: https://pterodactyl.io

[fallow lantern]

I just want an easy interface where i can add jar files, and start them

[split condor]

There's also Multicraft, but in my experience it kind of sucks

Ok. Where are you planning to running this?

Some dedicated Minecraft hosting provider or are you leasing some VPS/dedicated server?

[fallow lantern]

I have a server at home

[split condor]

Is there any reason you want to use Docker in particular?

[fallow lantern]

But now when a java server shuts down, i have to remote in to my vm, and thats not easy if i'm on my phone, and windows ignores my setting to not update

[split condor]

Would you be comfortable with a little bit of command line work if you were to use Docker?

[fallow lantern]

I would really like if there was a solution with a web interface, file upload doesn't have to work from a web interface though, just start/stop and maybe a log file or something from a web interface

[split condor]

What is that VM running?

[fallow lantern]

At this moment, judt a MC server and a spring/hibernate jar that i made, a little project

[split condor]

As in, what operating system is it running?

[fallow lantern]

windows pro

[split condor]

Oh alright. I wasn't sure about that yet.

[fallow lantern]

i had windows server but i'm not a student anymore

[split condor]

Are you exposing those Minecraft servers to the Internet? Or is it just a home fun thing

[fallow lantern]

exposed i guess, i have some ports forwarded to the internet

[split condor]

Ok

[fallow lantern]

got owncloud and webserver running

[split condor]

Maybe (as you wanted earlier) 10 Docker containers each running a server, then something like https://portainer.io/overview.html to look over them?

If this sounds alright, we can help you get that all setup.

You can set those containers to restart automatically too

This would require a little bit of maintenance, but it shouldn't be too bad

[fallow lantern]

my server is unraid, so i guess i got something similar to that no?

[split condor]

Oh. I'm not familiar with unraid at all.

[fallow lantern]

unraid has a docker manager thing

[split condor]

Oh alright, cool

Ok I understand what you're going for now

Is there a reason you can't just run multiple containers? Instead of needing one container to hold all of the servers?

[fallow lantern]

but i just dont want to flood the list with all java dockers, and I have no interest in learning how to create those dockers in the first place at this moment

[split condor]

Hmmm. I'm not sure what to tell you. I'm not saying you can't run all of them in one container (you'll need to manage that yourself), but it will not be that fun. As you'll end up doing the same thing you are now; having to go muck around inside that container to fix a single server.

I can help you setup a Dockerfile for Minecraft, but not running them all in one container. It's just a bad idea, though I get where you're coming from.

[fallow lantern]

Well since Minecraft has this idea worked out, i was hoping there was a more simple idea for just any jar file without all those Minecraft specific variables

[split condor]

Hmmm, what do you mean?

As in you want a single Docker image that will work with any JVM application?

[fallow lantern]

yes, but a few months ago i found a docker that could run multiple mc servers within 1 docker, so basically that idea for any jar file instead of only mc

[split condor]

within 1 docker
What do you mean by this?

[fallow lantern]

container? the things that make up a line in my manager

from unraid

[split condor]

Ok. I just wanted to clarify that.

Can you link this thing you found?

[fallow lantern]

i'm sorry, docker is a bit new to me, and unraid does most for me

[split condor]

no worries (:

[fallow lantern]

well no, i was just trying to find it again, but can't find it, also on my phone right now

https://hub.docker.com/r/hexparrot/mineos/

i think this is an example

[split condor]

Yeah, I mentioned using something like that earlier

You can use that? There are instructions on the README on how to set it up

[fallow lantern]

but i would also like to run my hibernate/spring application within the same container

[split condor]

Why?

[fallow lantern]

because then all java application are within the same manager, and not pread around in 10 different interfaces

spread*

[split condor]

but they are completely different things

It looks like unraid already provides a way for you to interact with these containers

mineOS (or whatever you end up going with) will be the central place for you to interact with Minecraft scoped stuff

then you can manage that h/s application on from unraid?

It would be like having the GitLab container and Redis container in the screenshot you sent earlier managed from each other. It doesn't make sense. They are completely different applications, though not necessarily decoupled from each other.

Unless I am miss-interpreting what you are trying to accomplish

[fallow lantern]

so a different container for every project i do? and ending up with 20 containers?

[split condor]

That is the point of Docker

You can use Docker compose to manage applications with multiple components (i.e. containers)

Though a single Docker container(/image) should be one component

[fallow lantern]

in unraid you only have a single docker image

[split condor]

No you don't

Oh

[fallow lantern]

hmm

[split condor]

If you mean unraid is one image, then yeah. It is one application.

Though from your screenshot I can see multiple containers each running a unique image

[fallow lantern]

ah yes

but it's saved in the same file

[split condor]

What do you mean?

[fallow lantern]

hmm i had to set a size for img file

and it's all saved there

[split condor]

I assume that's where all of the distinct images are?

because I know this is not all one image

[fallow lantern]

🤔

[split condor]

Yeah

That one image is running the Docker daemon

That is not a Docker image

[fallow lantern]

aah

learning here :D

[split condor]

That image is on the same level as a Windows image

[fallow lantern]

i see

and the list are all containers then

[split condor]

Yep

It shows all of the Docker containers running on this Docker host

Docker containers are just an instance of a Docker image

So a Docker host (think that "docker vdisk location" you showed me) manages a bunch of Docker containers

Docker containers are started based upon a Docker image, which are created with a Dockerfile

You can have a bunch of Docker containers running the same image

In your case, one Minecraft Docker image

[fallow lantern]

like my mysql container?

i have 2 of those

[split condor]

Yep

Those two things are running the same image

Granted they may be a different version of an image, but they are the same image

[fallow lantern]

yea, mysql f** me with 8.0, so created a sexond fixed version to run most stuf, and keeping the other to test

[split condor]

ah

I am guessing you can get 8.0 to work

but that's another conversation

[fallow lantern]

the authentication changed, and recently my php sites didn't like it, i'm also unable to log in from anything but console

before 8.0 worked fine with php

anyway thats indeed for another time, it works for now

[split condor]

Ah, I've ran into that before. You can set it up so that it has legacy auth support.

[fallow lantern]

oh

[split condor]

This way you're running with the latest MySQL server version, but still able to use the same apps and such

[fallow lantern]

cool, i had a fun weekend, spend 6 hours to find nothing ending up doing a dump from console to run it again in a fixed mysql version

[split condor]

that's how it goes usually

[fallow lantern]

anyway, back to mineos, in that web interface you are able to set up multiple servers, i would just like the idea of having that working for any jar file, without stats like 0/20 players so it would work for any jar file

and that you can start/stop them from a webpage
in a single container

i guess it's what docker does aswell, just don't feel like having 10/20 containers for just different java application

[split condor]

The project I linked earlier is a web interface for Docker

I think it will satisfy what you're looking for

[fallow lantern]

I'll look into that a bit more, time for me to sleep, past midnight already

[split condor]

Here is an example: http://demo.portainer.io/#/containers

I created a container called ltt-discord-test running the nginx image

username: admin
password: tryportainer

You can interact with that container from the web panel. View logs, restart it, etc

If you deployed what you want, there would be 11 containers there. That is the point of Docker, so don't worry about it.

You can name each one, etc so that each one is easy to find

[fallow lantern]

I'll play around with that tomorrow, thanks already, at least have learnd a few terms about docker and containers 😄

[split condor]

np, sleep well (btw, that demo resets every 15 minutes; so it will not be there tomorrow)

[tropic grail]

We doin' Docker now? lol.

[vestal glen]

those defines LOL

"I don't want to write C, so I'll just make it look like basic or whatever"

my assumption would be integer overflow

so you may want to use a long instead of an int, resp. double instead of float

[timber violet]

@tired bridge hmmm... i got a positive number https://onlinegdb.com/BJUU70wF7

[granite fog]

His code is.. weird.. and freaktechnik is correct, need to use double.. because the 'answer' is 4633166637576240462800758953941617252961510218880920244919657663465236325203968.000000 🙄

And heres his code written sensibly.. ```#include <stdio.h>

int main (void)
{
double i = 1.7;

for (int j = 1; j < 100; j+=2)
{
    i = i * j;
}

printf("'%f'", i);
return 0;

}```

[ionic hull]

@tired bridge wtf have you done with the syntax hahahha

[deep scarab]

he's trolling

he asked the same question a few weeks ago

didnt even reply

[winged obsidian]

this meme again

[timber violet]

i for one appreciate it

[tropic sapphire]

@tropic grail I do docker daily at work. I have large website that request a network on containers to run. then that gets deployed into AWS fagate.

[languid pagoda]

Uhh, I don’t understand your guys complicated code but uhhhhhhh here’s some code I wrote as a joke in pascal

Program normieTest;

Var
ChoiceNum : integer;
NormTestNum : integer;
NormAnsNum : integer;

Begin

Writeln(‘choose a number, if it’s our math makes it even, it’s normie’);
Readln(choiceNum);
NormTestNum := choiceNum * 2;
NormAnsNum := normTestNum Div 2;
If(normAnsNum=choiceNum)
Then writeln(‘wow that number was really normie please delete your account’);
Readkey;

End.

Honestly idk why I make these anymore

[deep scarab]

what

[ionic hull]

[tropic sapphire]

@deep scarab I think you mean "Why?"

[jade nova]

Would it be possible to script my NodeJS Discord bot so that if a member deletes a bot command message, it deletes the bot’s response as well to protect privacy?

[tropic sapphire]

Each message has a mentions, key, you could find a message that is from the bot, mentions that person and close to after the post.

[winged obsidian]

This may not be the best way, but you could simply:

1. Store the message.id of the request and the response messages when a command is fulfilled
2. After storing, delete the messages routinely where the request message.id no longer exists.
3. Perform clean up as you go, removing old response messages to be safe keeping the count low.

Note I have not looked into the Discord APIs, so this is from an outside perspective, there may be easier ways to manage this.

Look into Gateway Events such as Message Deleted
(https://discordapp.com/developers/docs/topics/gateway#message-delete)
to detect when a message has been deleted, and perform the appropriate action.

[proper gale]

@tired rampart what IDEs do you use?

[tired rampart]

eclipse for Java, Visual studio when dealing with M$ crap and Atom for literally everything else

vim when in terminal

[proper gale]

eclipse, :reee:

[proper saddle]

VSCode Mustard Race

[winged obsidian]

Visual Studio for everything (trying out JetBrains suite)
VSCode for anything that doesn't compile. (+ lots of RE tools)

[proper saddle]

But Jetbrains is expensive.

[torpid knot]

how can you delete a package you installed on ubuntu such as docker or any other packages? Is there a particular command for the terminal?

[split condor]

apt remove <package-name>

After doing so, apt purge <package-name> can be used to clean up some extras.

You can read a bit more about this by doing man apt; under the "Description" section there are a few paragraphs explaining the install, remove, and purge commands some more.

The name of the Docker package depends on the version. It could be a few, though recent versions are named docker-ce (assuming you're not an enterprise customer)

Here is the documentation for that: https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/ubuntu/#uninstall-old-versions

[proper gale]

@proper saddle how so?

[proper saddle]

It's expensive for poor people like me. :<

Especially if you need/want the entire suite. :|

Though, it gets cheaper.

If I had a jerb I would probably sub to it if I used something that couldn't be used with VS IDE

[native shoal]

@proper saddle jetbrains was free for students

Did they change that

[proper gale]

it still is

i have the free licence

[proper saddle]

I'm not a student anymore

[native shoal]

@proper saddle they disabled your student account?

The systems over here are very lax with that

[proper saddle]

Yeah at the college I went to they delete your email if you're not enrolled anymore.

[native shoal]

Wow that's rough

Guess we got it good here

They left all students access to the free software

I've moved to a new university

And they are opposite

But previous schools no

[proper saddle]

But I also haven't been in college for 2 years, I didn't graduate and it was a community college so shrug

[deep scarab]

when you spend 45 mins making a program to translate c structs with bitfields to java classes, but you realise that you could've done it manually in half the time

[winged obsidian]

Yeah lol, that is the engineer problem
"How can I never do this task again, without spending the same time it would take to do it manually many times." lol

That reminds me, I wrap any useful tools into a "gogo.exe" program.

Added the build directory to the PATH environment variable and use reflection to resolve the names, types, input, casing etc. so that if I want it to do something new, I just add a well named function in there.

Entering just the name of the functions prints the params and a usage string.

I can call it from the command line or powershell. very handy.
The bonus is you get to work like Inspector Gadget, "gogo NeatUtility param1 param2"

[native shoal]

@proper saddle I see. Actually it's only been a year since I left college. So idk if on year-2 they will drop my account. Its quite a possibility

[torpid knot]

Thanks @split condor

[jade arrow]

I don't remember my info to my free version of intellij from being a student 😐

So i bug my friend into letting me use his

Just lazy over here

[wanton cargo]

uh oh, didn't expect a development channel here

[native shoal]

Development in what fashion

Professional or programming?

[proper gale]

this is only one of those things.

[tidal tusk]

Anyone here mess around with cpanel?

[proper gale]

ive used it, but never set it up, dont think that counts

[ionic hull]

@tidal tusk what do you need to do?

[kind portal]

num = 75;
reversenum = 0;
  while( num != 0 )
      {
          reversenum = reversenum * 10;
          reversenum = reversenum + num%10;
          num = num/10;
      }```
hello peeps, my programming shenanigans continue. 
I am confused as to *how* does this make thr 75 into a 57? Or if we take 63 to 36. Can someone try to explain?

[vestal glen]

do you know what % does?

[kind portal]

I think thats modulus

so uhh 25 % 10 would give me 5 for example?

[vestal glen]

so if you step through the code, what is it doing?

[kind portal]

ok lemme try to do that again

0
0 + 5
7.5

thats the first loop

[vestal glen]

I assume num is an integer

so the last step would be wrong

[kind portal]

yeah

but it still gets me a reverse number

oh wait

yeah

LMAo

0
5
7

then
50
50 + 7
0

O

WAIT

that was it!

[vestal glen]

so do you understand what the separate steps do?

[kind portal]

I didnt take it as an int

Yeah, now i do after you mention that the last one was wrong

damn i can be hella dumb sometimes

Thanks alot :P @vestal glen

[vestal glen]

np, my pleasure being your

[kind portal]

rubber ducky

isnt that like one of those arduino USBs?

[vestal glen]

rubber duck debugging is a technique to find out why something isn't working as expected. Look it up.

[kind portal]

ooo

on it chief

https://rubberduckdebugging.com/

This is AMAZING

[vestal glen]

it's kind of what I made you do, except that it wasn't to find the fault in your code but the fault in your understanding of the code 😉

[tidal tusk]

@ionic hull Im trying to find a way to log cpanel logins into a mysql database

[ionic hull]

Shared hosting?

/usr/local/cpanel/logs/access_log

If you are using shared, search for a folder which the a dot ( .cpanel ) if not mistaken

@tidal tusk

[tidal tusk]

I have my own vps and I want to track my client logins I understand I can check access_log but how can I pull that data using php (maybe explode? and insert it into a db?

@ionic hull

[ionic hull]

@tidal tusk can you pm me an example file?

I don't have any cpanel active rn

[proper saddle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390594819078094851/496375072429178885/unknown.png

[winged obsidian]

right to left throws me off big time

[winged obsidian]

@ionic hull you could explode for the lines then use regex to grab the values before you send them to the database.

[winged obsidian]

(?<=[^_])((?: [^" ]++)*+((?: \-)*+[^ ])++)++

This RegEx pattern should work for you given the input of the CPanel access_log

1. Just open the file
2. explode with "\n" newline char
3. start a foreach loop to iterate the lines
4. use preg_split($pattern, $line) to get the values
5. store them in a collection
6. open the connection to the database
7. generate the query and go from there

That is one way to achieve what you want.

Just take the usual precautions when working with databases.

[nocturne galleon]

Mwahahahahaha my chess bot is almost complete. I will rule deh world! http://i.aeternumstudios.com/DiscordCanary_2018-10-02_10-00-56.png

[ionic hull]

Looking really good @nocturne galleon

Does anyone have the sharex upload photos script?

To store images on the server

[nocturne galleon]

It's not a script

It's just settings.

You use ftp upload

[split condor]

that's pretty cool aeternum

i will admit that... i still don't know how to play chess

[ionic hull]

@nocturne galleon I saw someone that made a php script, but I didn't save it

And does the chess bot use images?

[nocturne galleon]

Gross. Php

:)

Yeah, I use a rendering API.

@ionic hull https://chesslounge.xyz/api/games/chess/board.png?size=1920&fen=rnbqkb1r/pppppppp/7n/8/PP6/8/2PPPPPP/RNBQKBNR&lastMove=b2b4&orientation=black&theme=default

You can change anything you want in that url, like the FEN or the orientation or the coordinates of the two blurple squares etc and tge API returns the chess board.

And then since these images are really big, I have a low bandwidth mode which uses only pure two color black and white images and makes them about half as big, or an ultra low bandwidth mode which is just text

The lowest setting between two users is what's used when they play.

If you don't use low bandwidth I also support custom pieces, so you can earn coins by playing and spend them on different set styles which I make all of.

And then whenever you play someone it renders your pieces

[nocturne galleon]

essential apps for swift development ?

dont say xcode

[vestal glen]

if apple did their job properly there shouldn't be anything else to say though.

[ionic hull]

@nocturne galleon looking really good, congrats

[nocturne galleon]

Hey guys, so I accidentally made a script that removes the windows watermark - anyone interested in the application?

[native shoal]

@nocturne galleon that can be done by buying a product key.

[nocturne galleon]

@native shoal but this could be helpful to someone such as ltt who may not want those watermark but also cant afford the time and hassle of activating every windows with a valid license

[nocturne galleon]

you selling it or just giving it away? @nocturne galleon

tag one of the ltt staff about your program too

they would want it

[nocturne galleon]

@nocturne galleon im pretty much giving it away - i dont know what else to do with it ;-; if you would like a copy just dm me i suppose ::) its onlyt 15kb and doesnt need an installer to run either

@wild birch is the ltt staff interested in such software?

most probably

as long that it dosent count as piracy

is it piracy ? @nocturne galleon

i dont know which is why im not releasing this publicly just in case i get sued by microsoft or something,

but i have been popping in peoples dm's to distribute the software

what programming languages do you know?

i used visual basic - i also know python, a lil bit of html and err thats about it tbh

im gonna probs move to c# soon tho

what is your program written in?

visual basic,

would u like the code?

nah

im good

^^

im on my mac now

oh

so...

[glad terrace]

Punch cards is how I program cause i like to be ultra proficient.

[nocturne galleon]

lol

is it possibe to write an aimbot in swift for mac?

hmm, mostlikely yes, look for color detection code, and a mouse control code

ok

then using that you should be able to get a start on basic tracking of moving elements

one thing i recommend is making the mouse speed random using random number generation that refreshes every so often, that way itll be harder for anti cheat to detect its an bot

ok

im gonna learn swift

[glad terrace]

oh

nooo

[nocturne galleon]

just waiting for xcode to download

6gigs

[glad terrace]

if you don't already know swift and want to make a aimbot you should probably just learn C++

[nocturne galleon]

why?

[glad terrace]

Run on linux, mac, windows.

[nocturne galleon]

some people also use objective c to code on mac,

idk anymore about windows

i worked hard to get a mac

im learning swift

[glad terrace]

Also if you plan on doing anything with memory

[nocturne galleon]

then ill learn either: andriod, java, python, C++,or JS

[glad terrace]

JS is currently my main. (What I get paid to do at work lol)

[nocturne galleon]

how much do you make?

[glad terrace]

Kinda wish it was something else

[nocturne galleon]

if u dont mind saying

hmm im still not sure if its worth learning c# or should i skip learn c++?

id go for c++ cuz i wanna hack fortnite

c# is pretty capable tho

go for both

[native shoal]

C# and then c++ is sensible path

[nocturne galleon]

you got a reason for that?

[glad terrace]

I'll say over $50k But my review/raise is next week. 1-1/2 years professional experience currently and an associates degree.

[native shoal]

C# easier to learn

Resources managed for you

C++ you do everything

[nocturne galleon]

yeh i guess ur right, go up in tiers of difficulty.

[native shoal]

If your new dev, would not even recommend c++ as first language

[nocturne galleon]

shadowcraze you went to college?

[native shoal]

Java, python and c# are firsts

[glad terrace]

Yes

[nocturne galleon]

you got a programming degree

?

[glad terrace]

yes

[nocturne galleon]

started with basic ;-; pretty similar to c# from what i can tell

vb**

how many years of overall programming experience?

[native shoal]

@nocturne galleon I think in years past yes visual basic is also a starting langauge

I dont see it too often besides office

[glad terrace]

Ehh... I did it on and off since I was 14... Started with C# and Dark Age of Camelot freeservers.

[nocturne galleon]

ok

@glad terrace you need a profile picture tho..

[glad terrace]

I'm 28 now. But id say legitimately if I had to compact it I'd say 4 years honestly.

[nocturne galleon]

why?

[native shoal]

I can make basic programs with c#

My major is in networking

[nocturne galleon]

i can make decent applications with vb, like a flux replica or something

[native shoal]

I also made the cheating program TTR GE

That was in c#

[nocturne galleon]

TTR GE??

[native shoal]

It was for a defunct Disney online game

[nocturne galleon]

lol

[native shoal]

Basically like a cheat tool

[nocturne galleon]

oh cool

[native shoal]

It's on google if you search

That's the most I've done

The name stood for toontown rewritten game enchancer

Lol good times

[nocturne galleon]

hmm most ive done is probs give an idea to one of the top devs of ios jailbreak and theyve been working on it since then, it was an alternate method to substrate which i spoke with a user named foxlet fox,

[glad terrace]

I should probably stop reading this chat and do some work lol.

[native shoal]

@glad terrace it's easy to get sucked in trust me

[glad terrace]

yeah

[nocturne galleon]

then my second most amazing thing is probs my recent application which removes windows watermark on non licence copies

[native shoal]

@nocturne galleon well it might be good for linus to use just for the sake that it wont appear during his videos

Because he just.installs and nukes them anyway

[nocturne galleon]

yh true,

dont know how id get hold of linus to pass the program to him without making it seem its some sort of a malware...

[glad terrace]

I currently program the digital menuboards for McDonalds and Taco Bell 😛 (The fancy screens you see inside the stores, some of them have them in the drive through also)

[nocturne galleon]

thats impressive,

[glad terrace]

Not really

[nocturne galleon]

;-; thousands of people will be using those boards tho,

[glad terrace]

Millions served! lol

[nocturne galleon]

yep, and they all used something which u coded, that is pretty impressive imo

[native shoal]

@glad terrace does that include the boards with touchscreen to order?

[glad terrace]

No

[native shoal]

Man

Because I noticed that some items are.missing

In the items you can order

4-piece chicken nuggets not there!

[nocturne galleon]

man needs his nuggets ;-;

[glad terrace]

That may be another department in the company I work for but I don't know about that.

[native shoal]

I'd like to tell the dev to add that option because 6- and 8- cost more

[glad terrace]

lol

[native shoal]

Also it makes people eat more than necessary

Need a dev to fix that

Add it...

[glad terrace]

Yeah, I don't have any hand in that. I don't think our company actually does those. It's probably the company that makes the Point of Sale

We do handle Starbucks indoor digital menus also but it's not widespread quite yet.

[nocturne galleon]

are the programs developed for custom hardware or general purpose machines?

[glad terrace]

IDK how much I can say exactly but they do run on custom hardware. I won't say anything else on that.

[nocturne galleon]

oh, interesting... thought it may run on some gekko raspburry pi or something, i mean those could probs work too lol

syth

ye

maybe tag jakkuh about ur program (its a bit risky tho ask a mod first, mr cubeman is good)

[glad terrace]

You'd be surprised how much code there is for the menu's. It needs to handle all the different variations of stores. Some don't sell certain categories.

And security

and some other stuff. RPi would be unreliable to run 24/7 for 5 years imo.

5+ years

[nocturne galleon]

should i tag him here or in general?

idk

[glad terrace]

DM?

[nocturne galleon]

ask mr cubeman

first

@nocturne galleon srry to disturb ur game, i wanted to ask a quick question;

he wont see it

hes on dnd

;-;

Well

I always see it

0.o

I'm just in DND to turn off the noises and so people bother me less

lol

what's up friendo?

i made a program which removes the windows water mark on non license copies

u think ltt staff will be interested??

I doubt it

why

are they evil off camera?

[glad terrace]

LOL

[nocturne galleon]

no lol

It just doesn't really matter.

@nocturne galleon u know anyone who will be interested by any chance?

mac users like me with unactivated macOS cuz we replace our graphics cards every day

jk

lol,

mac is different

[glad terrace]

I use a mac for work.

[nocturne galleon]

i switched from windows

[snow galleon]

I like Mac better than windows 🖥

[glad terrace]

Mac for productivity

[nocturne galleon]

both are good

[glad terrace]

development

[snow galleon]

True

[glad terrace]

windows for gaming

[nocturne galleon]

yep

100%

[glad terrace]

I need to learn Docker...

[tropic sapphire]

I use docker a lot :P 100% look into docker-compose

[glad terrace]

I want to learn it for my personal projects so I can dev it on any machine and deploy to my 'server' easily.

[nocturne galleon]

@glad terrace you make 50k a year or a month?

[glad terrace]

HAHAHA a month? I wish!

It's over 50k but yeah

I don't think there is a dev anywhere who doesn't own his own software company that makes anywhere near that.

50k/month

[nocturne galleon]

bill gates does lol

[tropic sapphire]

I'm on £25k a year before tax.

[glad terrace]

ah but thats why i said own his own software company

For him specifically lol

Are you a dev?

@tropic sapphire dev as your job anyways? 😃

[grizzled canopy]

@glad terrace I turned down 20k/month - and I don't have my own company 😄 It's all about being good at what's needed and nobody else knows / or wants to do 😄

[glad terrace]

Thats an insane amount of money lol. There was a 3 month contract I was offered but it was only 13.3/k a month and I'd be jobless after it. Not worth it IMO lol. I like stability.

[grizzled canopy]

Kinda the same deal, though this was a 24 months contract with option for renewal... But the travel time and the "uncertain" after the 24 month I don't like

[glad terrace]

Travel is yuck =P

[grizzled canopy]

I settled for 12k/month for way less travel and a buttload of bonuses like free car/internet/phone/equipment and around 100k I can use on education

[glad terrace]

That's awesome. What do you work on?

[ionic hull]

@nocturne galleon nice, can you send me the code pls?

[grizzled canopy]

Networking & Security and embedding systems on the side. Think bootloader software to your electric meter

Generally think of programming without ever using the word new and delete xD

[glad terrace]

I'm currently basically a web dev which was the last thing I wanted to do initially but it's not too horrible lol.

[grizzled canopy]

And then try to make it multithreaded and threadsafe

Yep - I keep my hands as far as I can from anything with an UI 😄

[glad terrace]

We get our designs from our clients at least but it needs to be as close to pixel perfect as possible.

[grizzled canopy]

Yeah - I would just get mad in the end.. I'm way to "perfectionistic" as in.. If I do it, it has to be pixel perfect on all screens you can ever imagine..

So - I would never get anything done

[glad terrace]

Yeah haha. There's like over 1,000 different permutations.

I'd love to do hardware integration type stuff. Or robotics of some sort but I don't have the money for the education for that lol. I'll be limited by my associates degree for quite some time probably.

[modern nest]

http://html9responsiveboilerstrapjs.com/

[lament sleet]

tweetybirds

[reef hollow]

h t m l NIEN

[tropic sapphire]

@glad terrace yeah I work at a financial software company, we create software for managing debt.

I left uni 2 years a go and have been working here a year. So I don't think it's bad for a first job. :)

[nocturne galleon]

how much do you make @tropic sapphire if you dont mind me asking

[tropic sapphire]

@nocturne galleon 25k a year works ok 2 k a month and 1.8k after taxs

[nocturne galleon]

25k a year?

what currency?

[tropic sapphire]

great biritish pounds

british

[nocturne galleon]

oooh ok

that is pretty good

for a second I thought you meant USD or something

[tropic sapphire]

it is pretty good yeah, I wouldn't be able to live on 25k usd 😛

[nocturne galleon]

yeah lol

[jade nova]

Is C# a good choice of language for running a web interface for managing servers?

[glad terrace]

With C# you might want to look into Linux portability to see if that may be an issue.

[jade nova]

I could use Mono

The reason that I'm aiming at C-based languages is because they have more access to the system than say Python would

[glad terrace]

I have a new plan for a Development laptop... http://www.eluktronics.com/N131WU-BYO/ + https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N7K4DV4 + https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BN5FJZQ Any other ideas? Whatever I get I'll be wiping it and installing Linux. ===== TOTAL: $938.15 ======

[ionic hull]

Or just buy a Xiaomi

Notebook

They look good

[glad terrace]

https://www.gearbest.com/laptops/pp_786411.html?wid=1349303 This is the closest I could find. Only 1 ram slot though and still over $100 more.

and it't not a QHD display

looks like it also only has capacity for one external monitor

slower ram also

[ionic hull]

You don't need an i7

I5 is enough

[little knoll]

I think it depends on what language you are programming in, an i7 would be really helpful with anything that uses Visual Studio IDE (C++, C#, and stuff...) or equivalent.

[vestal glen]

Is VS really that resource intensive? 😉 Really, what you'd want a stronger CPU for is compiling code. If the compiler supports parallel compilation you'd even want more than one core...

[native shoal]

@vestal glen yes it really is resource intensive

I have 8700k and sometimes debugging a project takes some time to process and add a delay to bring up the program

I'm sure vs code is lightweight

[vestal glen]

Vs code isn't exectly lightweight but the debugging it does is much less resource intensive due to it inspecting jit in real time and nit having to do the same symbol magic...

[ionic hull]

@native shoal @little knoll but is it worth it 300$??

Sure you would wait 5-6 seconds more ( depends on how big the project is, but sometimes it isn't worth it

[little knoll]

You gain in compile time, so it may be worth the money.

And also, if you need VMs, for any reasons, more cores may be really useful if not mandatory.

It was the main reason why I took an i7 (7700HQ) model for my XPS 15

[native shoal]

@little knoll I am going to do the same. Opt for the i7 model and add 16GB RAM

[glad terrace]

I'll be running my next project in docker containers (Database, backend, 2 website frontends, JIRA Server, GitLab) Basically my entire server for dev and easy deployablity.

Compartmentalize everything lol

I want my dev laptop to be as robust as possible for under $1000 USD

[glad terrace]

I also own/use all of Jet Brain's software.

[native shoal]

Jet brains pretty good software set yeah

[tropic sapphire]

@glad terrace I have a Lenovo T520 at work and I run a network of containers on my laptop

Main docker is the gui and web api from there I have mongo db, redis a websocket server and a RabbitMQ.

I5 and 16gb of ram.

Images are build and push into aws fargate, though will be moving to code pipelines so I see can build them.

[carmine timber]

I have a t420 it's 👌

[tropic sapphire]

They aren't bad laptops, I can build the main docker about 2 mins though we have a 22 core server that mighty faster at building images

[glad terrace]

@tropic sapphire basically I want to spend about $1000 USD and get the best performance I can get for that price.

[nocturne galleon]

Does someone use Eclipse CPP Photon ?

Why when i starting to install it, it just shows an error message

Java was started but returned exit code=13
.....

[naive roost]

Hi

[ionic hull]

Hi

[eager bronze]

@nocturne galleon - Make sure you have a 64-bit JDK installed.

[tropic sapphire]

@glad terrace the best thing you can do for docker performance is run linux. Not being a fan boy here.

In Windows and mac docker is ran in a virtualised environment where as on linux it runs on the host kernel.

Though the speed is only about 5% lower you lose a lot more in over head for I/O mounting volumes or network traffic will be much slower on Windows.

If you do go for Windows go for 8th gen i5/i7. If you're using node add node-modules to .dockerignore

[glad terrace]

@tropic sapphire Yeah no. Only time I use windows is when I'm gaming. I have a Macbook Pro for work, a gaming PC Desktop I built at home and soon to have a laptop running linux (Think I might try Pop OS https://system76.com/pop)

[jade nova]

How could I export only specific packages to their own JAR in NetBeans?

Everything I’m finding online is how to export the entire project to JAR

[tropic sapphire]

@jade nova that looks like a very nice os.

I will install that at work :P

I have all my fines on a second ssd so I can do what ever with my os.

Wrong quote my bad

[meager gazelle]

@glad terrace why a macbook

[glad terrace]

@impulse9 Web development. Compile time on a windows machine is like 20 minutes while on a Mac or Linux it's under a minute.

[nocturne galleon]

anyone here do ios/swift?

dm

[tropic sapphire]

@glad terrace I've never had it that bad but when I had Windows on laptop docker compose would take about 4-5 mins on linux is around 2.

The server we have builds a little over a 1 min.

[glad terrace]

I don't use docker at work. Gulp transpires, compiles, and zips up everything including over 1000 assets.

[glad terrace]

Transpiles***

It's like half a GB all said and done.

[tropic sapphire]

Our old front end uses gulp it's horrible -.- all new uis are angular 5 or 6.

[glad terrace]

gulp isn't a framework

[cloud knot]

gul is still horrible

webpack FTW 😛

[glad terrace]

We're switching to a new framework and using webpack 😄

soon (tm)

[modern nest]

[nocturne galleon]

can anyone here recommend QT for c++?

[vestal glen]

I can, yes.

[ionic hull]

👌

[ionic hull]

Any good payment gateway with BTC and PayPal?

Spent all day working with paypal's api

Then to realize that you must have a business account ( and verified )

[nocturne galleon]

Do those 2 separately, bitpay is fairly decent for btc/bch

[tidal tusk]

is it possible to self host this on my existing server?
https://github.com/skx/dns-api-go
I'm assuming this uses my servers dns resolution to perform lookups?

[fallow lantern]

Yes you can run it on your own server

[nocturne galleon]

Mwahahahahaha, finished my chess bot

http://i.aeternumstudios.com/DiscordCanary_2018-10-08_19-40-16.png

[nocturne galleon]

if the office 365 suite is made with c++, what gui library do they use?

[feral pebble]

python help

[granite fog]

@nocturne galleon iirc uwp for deaktop, for mobile/Web it's UI-fabric which includes react as far as I can tell

[tardy plinth]

Hi guys , I'm learning c in my school and have to make a library of the functions we previously created.

How should I do ? I have the directory lib / my / libmy.a and have to make it here. should I put all the " .c " files of my function in this directory then compile it? Or write all those functions directly in the " libmy.a " file?

Edit : Sorry if it was a bit to specific, but I don't have that much time to use the forum ^^.

[glad terrace]

Are the instructions you received that unclear?

First section might apply to you? I don't remember any C lol https://randu.org/tutorials/c/libraries.php

[tardy plinth]

Haha yeah the instruction was really unclear, it was a 4 min video with a shity example, reading this link clarify everything, thanks ;D

[random bough]

Hello
I'm writing a paper for school about the application of neural networks and am intending to make a working example that simply recommends songs to a user and refines the song recommendation based on user rankings of the song, through some level of artificial learning. is there a specific programming language that y'all think might be most efficient to make this?

[deep scarab]

python comes to mind

[jade nova]

What’s the best language that compiles small executables so that it can be run on embedded and micro PCs like Raspberry Pi with ARM processors?

[granite fog]

@jade nova c

[nocturne galleon]

@random bough Python

[near patrol]

@jade nova try gcc -Os to optimize for size

[tropic sapphire]

@nocturne galleon python isn't small or a binary :/

[granite fog]

@tropic sapphire looks like lima responded to the question about neural networks, not the one about embedded applications 😅

[tropic sapphire]

on XD

oh

python is correct answer then 😛 I actually found this

https://towardsdatascience.com/how-to-build-your-own-neural-network-from-scratch-in-python-68998a08e4f6

which looks pretty good

[granite fog]

When I was at uni, a friend and I managed to create a neural network in NXC the c-like programming language for the lego mindstorm robots, and it was a complete accident 😂

We used the mindstorms colour sensors which provided RGB values and then determined what 'colour' they were. e.g. red vs purple vs blue etc

[tropic sapphire]

@granite fog that sounds awesome 😛 nice when things like that happen

[random bough]

that sounds pretty sick!

[jade nova]

I’m making a program in Java which gets all of the local accounts on a Windows system into an array by looking inside the C:\Users directory

Only one small problem is that how could I remove the “C:\Users\” prefix from the account usernames?

[deep scarab]

substring?

pretty sure you can also use regex

"C:\\Users\\Admin".replaceAll("C:\\\\Users\\\\", "")

😬

yikes

[tired rampart]

eh

username.substring("C:\\Users\\".length());

[deep scarab]

yeah substring is much easier to look at

[tropic sapphire]

Another way is to split the sting on / and get the last element with .pop() assuming that's in java

[tardy plinth]

Thanks, i solved my problem already 😄

[nocturne galleon]

What do you guys think about that type of organising you programming project?

khazakar@dellprecision5510:~/Programowanie/ESP-OS> tree -d .
.
├── 3rdparty
├── bootloader
│   ├── include
│   ├── re-code
│   └── src
├── firmware
│   ├── include
│   ├── re-code
│   └── src
├── kernel
│   ├── include
│   ├── modules
│   └── src
└── userspace
    ├── include
    ├── services
    ├── shell
    └── tools

[icy barn]

@nocturne galleon Pm?

that chess boot i want to see the scorce code

hehe

[nocturne galleon]

To bad?

[deep scarab]

lol

[agile nova]

@nocturne galleon impressive! 😄 how'd you do the chess board?

[tropic grail]

Looks like an embedded image.

[spice hatch]

i wanna learn to code

what is a good language to start?

[tropic grail]

Anything, like Python or something.

[spice hatch]

alright

[glad terrace]

Anything except Prolog haha 😄

[mellow wave]

yeah python is quite good to start with, learning it myself rn 😄

[round dome]

c/c++

[tropic sapphire]

I learned python and it's a great scripting language.

I used to write bots and web scrapers for people.

I'm now using nodeJs at work.

[round dome]

how is npm treating u

[wheat dock]

@spice hatch python is fun, especially if you get a raspberry pi. C++ is also a good starting language. C isn't necessary, but it provides an educational foundation. JavaScript is good if you have any interest in web stff. Don't learn Java, screw Oracle.

[nocturne galleon]

@agile nova the board is rendered via a web api from a FEN which is a chess notation that stores the contents of the board.

. https://chesslounge.xyz/api/games/d8636126-d468-4e75-aa95-41dd397e2976/board.png?t=1539561602.9602783&check=d7&lastMove=g6f5

Each game session is assigned an uuid and the fen is stored and updated there.

Pardon the orange and green, Halloween theming

[nocturne galleon]

https://chesslounge.xyz/api/games/custom/board.png?fen=rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1&theme=default

[agile nova]

trying to wrap my head around it, sounds pretty cool

Been working on a Discord bot that will eventually need generated images

dang that dark board looks great

[nocturne galleon]

thanks, thats the default board

i just have the crazy colors for halloween

[split condor]

assembly is obviously the best starting point

What is your server load/bandwidth usage like? Looks like you’re sitting behind Cloudflare, so I’m guessing you’re trying to hit their cache mostly?

Though I don’t think you would with that URL layout on the free plan

[nocturne galleon]

lemme quickly pop netdata on so we can check

[split condor]

I checked and every request was missing the cache

[nocturne galleon]

thats because its not cached in teh headers

[split condor]

Huh?

Cloudflare appends a header letting you know of the cache state

cf-cache-status

[nocturne galleon]

I set the headers to tell cloudflare not to cache

cache-control: no-cache

[lofty jolt]

That’s what the atm says when i try to withdraw

[nocturne galleon]

XD

[split condor]

Why wouldn't you want this to be cached?

[nocturne galleon]

because the board changes every turn?

why would I want it to cache?

the likelyhood of you ever seeing that exact image again is like 1 in a million

that url above is direct access to the api, so i can generate custom boards for like, making documentation and whatnot

https://chesslounge.xyz/api/games/custom/board.png?fen=rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1&theme=docs

but normally games are all under sessions as well

https://chesslounge.xyz/api/games/dbad6fb9-8634-4b42-9132-8e04ede3dd29/board.png?t=1539569013.6573746&lastMove=c7b5

like thats live from a game currently going on

this image will never again be requested

ever

because the session ids are uuids and the liklihood of these two people making the exact same moves again to reach this point is also super small

caching would be pointless

[split condor]

How you have it setup, yeah it would be. If you're running this at a decent scale, I'm sure you will eventually hit repeats of boards.

[nocturne galleon]

uuids

[split condor]

No reason to generate the same thing

[nocturne galleon]

are unique

they never replicate