its actually for a lot more than just grouping
#development
proper gale
im implementing a whole layer on top of that so i can make calls in more Vulkan like manner.
from any thread, and in parallel.
tired rampart
sounds fancy
proper gale
ofc, implemented on both OpenGL (seen there) and Vulkan.
tired rampart
you will still have the OGL driver overhead though, why not move to vulkan completely
I was typing that as you sent that
you made it irrelevant now ๐
proper gale
because not every GPU supports Vulkan, and im going to 1.1 not 1.0
tired rampart
yeah fair enough
proper gale
i plan on having the exact same application code be supported on OpenGL 3.3 core no newer extensions (8800 GTX) to OpenGL 4.6 and all ARB extensions not yet in the core spec. Then for Vulkan im looking at 1.1 minimum.
but not just supported, run faster on 4.6 ofc
tired rampart
3.3 core is a good base
tired rampart
afaik its what LLVMpipe can emulate reliably on linux without a proper gfx driver
tired rampart
thats like 4.x crap isnt it?
proper gale
4.3
tired rampart
yea thought so :/
proper gale
ill have to add in a internal CPU compute implementation so it works
i never said 3.3 would always be fast
just that it would work
tired rampart
I would be surprised if you cant find an OpenCL all-in-one CPU package somewhere
proper gale
they exist
but im already writing a transpiler for the shading language though, sooo, not that big a deal to add a back end to output OpenCL C vs anything else.
tired rampart
yeah, if youre already onto that, yh... xD
just a fair warning
OpenCL drivers are really fucky even on windows
proper gale
oh i know
tired rampart
not in terms of stability, but performance consistency
proper gale
the AMD ones on Linux are good.
which is what i use, mostly.
ofc, it wont have to use OpenCL
i just want to, beacuse it would make more complex computations easier to handle.
tired rampart
I coded a benchmark that measured how long it took to render a portion of the mandelbrot set
and calculated scores based on that
proper gale
Vulkan has a very good compute API in it.
tired rampart
my Radeon R7 360 got like 10k points, which I thought was fine
then I ran the CPU version (just switched it to use CPU instead of GPU device)
Ryzen 7 1700 with the AMD OpenCL driver did around 3.5k
which I thought was about in line with what to expect CPU vs GPU wise
then I installed the Intel OpenCL CPU runtime tho
and it got 13k points
no idea why the two drivers behaved so differently on the CPU
and to me its weird that it would beat the GPU...
tired rampart
Ryzen 7 1700
I coded a benchmark that measured how long it took to render a portion of the mandelbrot set
I mentioned both ๐
bench is at https://nemez.net/tools
proper gale
i didnt know that you had a 1700, just that you had that benchmark
tired rampart
not sure how optimal it will be for Vega
dont remember what iteration count I used lol
so the shaders might actually exit too quickly and be limited by how fast it can dispatch compute work
proper gale
its 64SP/64CU
tired rampart
yeah but its the difference of looping 10 times inside of the shader on the GPU or looping over the shader compute dispatch 10 times
proper gale
only 10 times?
proper gale
was the GPU fully utilized?
proper gale
you know how to make good use of the GPUs SIMDs right?
or did you not program it?
at all.
tired rampart
I did and I mostly know
pretty old project though, probably not the greatest GPU optimized code xD
proper gale
okey, so the GPU was pinned without much instruction divergence and multiple work groups per CU that are not in total overfilling the registers and/or local memory?
tired rampart
not sure about reg utilisation but yeah
there isnt much branching in the shader code
proper gale
does it use local at all?
correct sync points to bring the instructions back together after the branches?
tired rampart
biggest mistake was probably letting OpenCL to schedule it on its own without explicitly telling it workgroups
tired rampart
still doesnt answer the huge difference between Intel's OpenCL and AMD's OpenCL driver
proper gale
Intel was the one running on your Ryzen CPU?
proper gale
both on the CPU?
tired rampart
yes
proper gale
probably a more mature CPU driver
what about GPU?
the 360 is not fast card, but it should stomp on the 1700
proper gale
if it doesn't, then ill try it on my newer card which are running the latest driver version.
well, almost.
i may download it from GIT and use that instead.
nocturne galleon
Is haskell worth learning?
ionic hull
Professionally? No if it is old and no one uses
As a hobby? Yes```
copper ravine
@nocturne galleon if you've never used a functional programming language before, it is worth having a look at it.
nocturne galleon
I've used PHP and Python
copper ravine
My comment still stands then ๐
nocturne galleon
I'm also very familiar with Java 8 lambdas and such
copper ravine
lambdas are useful, but not the same as organizing an entire program around a functional model
nocturne galleon
Ah
I wasn't really sure what a functional programming language is compared to an imperative
So functional languages rely more on functions that are already defined for you?
proper gale
if i am correct, function languages are slow?
copper ravine
@proper gale that depends... since functional languages require a problem be defined as a sequence of immutable steps, and this typically leads to a very parallel solution, while the compiled code for a single "thread" might be slow, you can almost always scale out the solution to get back that lost performance (See: Google) ๐
ebon light
F# is the greatest
the best lang ive learned through my years of undergrad
not one day i have been asked to use it
rare latch
hey guys: i'm looking for some people to help me with a GTA V FiveM framework. payout is 200 USD. must be familiar with C# or Lua. DM me if interested
proper gale
@rare latch does Java count?
north knoll
can one of you devs do the world a favor and reverse engineer the google play books api from googles android app and make a windows app for google play books?
main wyvern
Go to the library, get a bloody book out. Simple as that
north knoll
@main wyvern they dont allow you to download them now that the chrome app is depreciated
ionic hull
Roses are red
Violets are blue
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On line 32
devout lava
adds all
ionic hull
Did you make your own screenshot program?
devout lava
No I use 
ionic hull
real marten
oof feelsbadman
blazing python
js is pretty easy to learn
drifting sigil
should I declare my objects before a try/catch block?
which one is preferred and for what reason?
and I am not using them outside the scope of the try/catch
copper ravine
you can't use them in the catch if they are declared in the try
hence (I am assuming that's Java) use automatic resource cleanup (introduced in Java 7 or 8 I believe) or declare them outside the try block
drifting sigil
@copper ravine yes, it is java. (Android specifically but that doesn't matter). I was not aware the catch would not be able to use them, thank you.
@copper ravine would you agree that for the sake of caution, it is normally better to declare objects before the try/catch ?
copper ravine
it really depends
the auto resource cleanup in java 8 is really nice since it simplifies the code
I generally try and keep declaration to the smallest scope that is required
drifting sigil
i really want to do a lot of research into java's garbage collection once I graduate and have the time
copper ravine
it's pretty neat, and to really design systems that are high performance or high scaling, you need to understand how it all works to a pretty deep level
drifting sigil
yeah, its nice because it gives you the best of both worlds, it will do it automatically, but if you want you can take manual control. kinda like having an automatic car with a manual mode
proper gale
@drifting sigil if the point of moving them out of the try block is to allow you to close them, i would recommend using the try-with-resources syntax.
and if you for some reason dont, you are going to want their entire syntax wrapped in a try-finally block (can be same try-catch) aswell so that in the event of an exception being thrown in internal code it still works as expected.
jesus christ C++ makes you think about resources differently
copper ravine
indeed it does
proper gale
like, i would not have put that much thought into it prior to using C++.
scenic pagoda
Thoughts on this quick UI mockup I did? Might turn it into a real site ๐
eager kayak
@scenic pagoda are you planning this to be responsive? Would need to know how it looks in mobile and tablet
scenic pagoda
It's planned to be responsive yeah, it would basically be the box with the text - and the navigation pushed into the box
And the text adjusted as needed
Will most likely change it to have a slide out menu
scenic pagoda
Most people would recommend Microsoft Visual Studio I would assume
copper ravine
@nocturne galleon what OS? Personal fun? School?
Then I'd say Visual Studio is not a bad choice
You can also have a look at CodeLite if you want a Free choice, but it is a steeper learning curve
nocturne galleon
Has anyone used AWS elastic beanstalk?
raven osprey
I am currently studying C++ in college, we use Visual Studios, but I like to use a text editor, (my choice is either Notepad ++ or Nano in terminal) and g++ as the compiler under linux.
hasty sail
CLion would be my goto
it is based on intellij so it is extremely smart
text editors are fine for really small things
but a proper IDE provides way more features and help you out way more than a text editor
copper ravine
Yes, I have only used CLion a bit (although I bought it, I should use it more!) but it is well laid out
Unfortunately CLion doesn't support microcontroller development very well :/
hasty sail
hmm okay, it should do fine with them as far as you find a sdk for them
but not exactly sure, don't really deal with microcontrollers
little knoll
Because you can now get Visual Studio for free (VS Community Ed.), I think it's the best choice for C++ (included debugger, Intelisense, quite good built in project manager...)
hasty sail
students get a free licence for JetBrains products
little knoll
Only if you have a student international id or email. My school done everything needed to give student licences by themselves.
We just had to give to our school our email address to get the licence.
proper gale
@manic kayak or you can send in a special request and get it even if in high school like i am.
@hasty sail CLion FTW
@nocturne galleon are you a currently enrolled student?
@raven osprey apparently clang gives better debug codes than g++, may want to try it.
it is worth noting that Clion (and the IDEA platform in general) is a keyboard centric IDE platform, sooooo, get used to the keybinds.
raven osprey
Mmmm Keybinds.
proper gale
i like that feature of the platform personally.
then get a free Clion student license, IMO its the best C++ IDE.
nocturne galleon
What is the best way to write a DPI/resolution-independent GUI for a game?
I'd like the game's UI to look the same and take up the same amount of space to the eye regardless of the DPI and resolution.
Right now, the game's UI is written to work best in 1080p, but some players with 4K monitors have readability issues with text being too small and blurry. I'd like to avoid making them use system-wide DPI scaling.
This same issue also causes lower-resolution displays to not be able to fit as much on screen as my 1080p display.
I'd like to do it similar to how Saints Row 4 does it. I can run it in pretty much any 16:9 resolution and the text etc will all be in the same spot and take up the same amount of space. I just lose detail on lower resolutions and gain on higher.
elfin onyx
scale it based on relative resolution?
nocturne galleon
w-what's that mean
elfin onyx
rather than scaling on DPI, measure the curren resolution, math it using whatever SDK/API your using to draw it and math it so its 60% or w/e
text gets a bit... difficult
so no matter the resolution, the menu takes up 60% of the screen or w/e
nocturne galleon
thing is my ENTIRE GAME is UI-based
not just the menu
It takes place in a Unix-like operating system with a full desktop environment
and...
I'm not sure how to scale all that properly
(I'm using MonoGame btw)
elfin onyx
depends on what toolset your using, but that sounds like a pain
nocturne galleon
I'm writing my own in-engine UI framework.
(writing my own game engine ontop of MonoGame since it's just a unified API over DirectX and OpenGL and other stuff for keyboard/mouse/audio/etc)
I'd like to have this scaling stuff done at a level BELOW the UI framework
so I don't have to do much porting
proper gale
@nocturne galleon what is the screen cordinate space you have to use?
in OpenGL it is -1 -> 1, Pos X right, Pos Y up, and Pos Z back
so you can use a matrix that accounts for aspect ratio to create it, then if its in normal scales regardless of resolution, it scales with window size.
nocturne galleon
I'm not dealing with 3D
this is 2D
and the coordinate space is 0-<screen width in pixels> X
and 0-(screen height in pixels) Y
0,0 = top-left corner
proper gale
I know, I'm talking about the 2d part of opengl.
You should be about to create a matrix that can do coordinate transforms to that based on a standard coordinate space.
The z depth has to do with draw order in 2d.
Its used for layers.
nocturne galleon
ahh. In MonoGame, or at least, the way I use it
things render in the order you tell them to
in the code
so if I say "draw texture a", then "draw texture b"
texture b will ALWAYS be ontop of texture a because that's just when I called the draw function in the code
I don't use any z coordinates for layering
anyway I haven't a clue how to use matrices in MonoGame with the SpriteBatch class
proper gale
that is correct of OpenGL as well, if you do note specify depth (it assumes 0)
at the same Z-depth or wiht the depth test off, it will draw in drawcall order.
but if you wanted to draw the background last, enabling the depth test and moving it to a higher z (further back) it will then be rendered behind everything else despite being draw last, applies to everything without transparency (its still a good idea to try to draw back to front)
small escarp
don't you mean front to back?
back to front will draw useless details on top of each other
front to back will use culling to skip the occluded components
and for dpi independence you would probably want some classes which know how to render based on DPI and window size, e.g. button and label
but text is complicated since line-breaks and things like that are going to be very different at different resolutions and at some point it's just impossible to fit it in the screen at all
naturally, most of these issues are typically solved (in other GUI toolkits) through sizers and/or css-like styling, instead of absolute positioning
proper gale
@small escarp no, you want to draw back to front.
nocturne galleon
A lot of my game's UI is actually anchored based on the size and location of sibling UI elements
For example, the in-game OS's "Appearance Settings" window
the window itself is a fixed width and height. And this is what it looks like.
you got your heading text and description text at the top
15px from the left and top of the window
wordwrapped at 15px to the right of the window
the description text (I think) 5 px from the bottom of the heading text
then the wallpaper selection box (which is a scroller), 15px from left edge of window, 30px from bottom of description text, width is equal to window width - 30 px
so nothing will ever overlap anything, that's good
I can increase the font size of stuff and it'll scale just fine
the problem then becomes though
although UI elements INSIDE windows can be positioned and sized relative to their siblings
they still can't scale based on the DPI or resolution
so what happens is
if I pop into the engine settings and switch to 800x600 quickly
first of all, the Appearance Settings is still positioned in the center as if it were still in a 1080p desktop environment - that's a bug, easily fixed.
But...
if I re-open the program after closing it
well first the in-game app launcher doesn't fit on screen - user info gets cut off at the bottom
secondly, now the Appearance Settings window is too tall to fit on screen!
The title bar isn't even showing so you can't drag it down
and you can't access the other two UI accent color options because they're cut off by the bottom desktop panel
and...if I quickly write some code at the low level to emulate a 4K display
(hang on, doing that rn)
look how tiny the text is! (Ignoring the fact that it is 4K downscaled to 1080p because I don't have a 4K monitor.)
Ideally, I'd want the UI to scale up and down to look as close to the native 1080p environment it's designed in as possible
proper saddle
devout lava
Lol
nocturne galleon
not too sure what's going on in that picture (I hate being blind)
devout lava
http return codes
1*** hold on
2*** here you go
3*** go away
@nocturne galleon
nocturne galleon
heh
anyway I'm still trying to figure out the best way to handle my GUI issue without a total rewrite
proper saddle
obsidian bluff
riolu. You realise that even Microsoft hasn't been able to sort that issue out?
graceful silo
Microsoft sucks though @obsidian bluff
nocturne galleon
@obsidian bluff do you know that Volition has sorted the issue out in the UI of Saints Row IV?
no matter what resolution you run at, the game's UI elements are all in the same relative positions and take up the same amount of space onscreen
that's the case with many games
it's just a matter of "how are they doing it, and how can I do it in my game using MonoGame"
proper gale
@nocturne galleon make the scaling correct for 1080p, then scale by a factor of actualHeight/1080
That is what I was telling you to do, and it will scale it, I was just using a different coordinate system, it's still possible though.
nocturne galleon
Now, what do I do about font sizes? In MonoGame, fonts are rasterized at compile time. I'd have to create versions of the game's fonts for each scale. What would be the best way to handle that?
proper gale
Use 4k fonts, downscaling works much better than upscaling.
4k font textures, then map to the 1080p using downscaling.
nocturne galleon
I don't have direct access to the font texture..
proper gale
I'm not exactly sure what to do there because I'm used to being able to runtime rebuild the font textures of nessacary.
nocturne galleon
in MonoGame, you create what's called a Sprite Font Description file
proper gale
I can look at monogame, but with OpenGL directly there is nothing stopping you from mapping any size texture to anything you want.
nocturne galleon
this is an XML file, and it contains data such as the TTF file to use, the size (in pt) of each character, the text spacing, style (bold, italic, etc), and the range(s) of Unicode characters to import
then when you compile it creates its own sprite font file out of that and you're not supposed to touch the resulting font file
and the MonoGame SpriteFont API (iirc) doesn't let you manually grab the texture for each character
proper gale
Hmm.
nocturne galleon
you just load the font file in as a SpriteFont object, you get a list of the chars supported by the font, and a function that takes a string and spits out a pixel measurement as a Vector2
proper gale
This is why I don't touch premade engines.
There is always sone random bullshit that sucks balls to deal with.
nocturne galleon
then if you want to render text using that font, you call SpriteBatch.DrawString() passing the text, the font object, the location in pixels, the color, and I THINK there's an option for scale? Not sure.
MonoGame isn't a game engine. It's a managed abstraction layer over SDL and OpenGL
(and OpenAL and other stuff)
...I chose it for my game because I want to write my own game engine but I quite frankly don't want to write multiple rendering backends
proper gale
I'm working on a vulkan abstraction so it's got less bullshit require but still gives the main benefits of the API, that can also run on OpenGL.
Thing about OpenGL, if you target 3.3 core, almost everything can run it.
HD 2000 series, GTX 8000 series, ivy or newer on windows, and sandy or newer on Linux.
Which is most computers today.
I've done some research on GL version support
if MonoGame is an abstraction, you may want to do your own text rendering.
it should allow you to render with a custom texture that you can switch at runtime just fine.
nocturne galleon
only thing is what exactly do you mean by "4K font texture"
do you mean each CHARACTER is a 4K texture
or are all the characters stored collectively in one 4K texture
proper gale
Font texture size that would be used on a 4k monitor.
nocturne galleon
ahh so setting the size (in pt) to something high enough that it's readable in 4K
that makes a LOT more sense
thank god I've got 4K emulation in the engine (since I don't have a true 4K display, I just force the engine to render the game to a 4K buffer and downscale to 1080p. I lose out on 4x the quality, but I can still see the game's UI as if it were on a 4K display)
proper gale
it's just rendering to a 4k texture, then rendering that to the window.
It's very simple to do.
nocturne galleon
yeah, that's what I'm doing
probably not the best way to test but for development and since my eyes can't make out that much detail anyway, I should be fine
proper gale
That's what's going on in the background anyway, soooo.
nocturne galleon
so...if...I write the font descriptors for 4K...then..
would I not want to write the REST of the game for 4K?
and have the scale factor be actualheight/2160?
proper gale
Thats probably less nessacary than the textm
nocturne galleon
it just seems easier mathematically to compute one scale value and use it for everything
proper gale
Scaling yes, I meant doing the rest for 4k
signal juniper
anyone know if its possible to store notification data using an app
nocturne galleon
@proper gale I got your scaling tactic mostly implemented.
I'm designing the game to run in 4K
haven't gotten to increasing font sizes or anything yet
but... so far
this is how it looks in 1080p
Rectangles, textures, etc are scaled just fine
Positioning of UI elements is not done so well though...
because during layout, the UI doesn't know the scaled size of each element
not sure how to fix that without tons of porting
nocturne galleon
screw it, in the latest build I'll just lock the game at 1080p highest resolution
force the bugs into their hidey holes until I can come up with a suitable stable solution
little knoll
I think it does this only on a VR project (based on their VR template), I'm not sure tho
thorny galleon
nah, i was trying out the plain FPS template
(i went back to using Unity for prototyping anyway hue)
upbeat folio
Iโve been a professional web developer for five years now and I only wrote my first cookie script yesterday. Clearly I am a winner.
vestal glen
it's amazing how well you can live without cookies for most things, yes
reef tangle
nocturne galleon
https://youtu.be/IVi0CvprETA I feel like a slight badass seeing my game run perfectly in NVidia Surround...
too bad the left monitor is not a monitor, but rather a shitty TV
...with overscan issues
and I...don't know how well Surround will handle overscan compensation...
I would use bezel correction but I don't know how to measure the size of my bezels, and the two monitors have different-sized bezels
proper gale
it should handle it fine.
you dont measure the bezels for bezel correction, you line up stuff on the screen.
nocturne galleon
@proper gale thing is I need to do the overscan compensation on the GPU. The TV is too shit to do it on its own.
proper gale
i know
nocturne galleon
so that means running the desktop at a slightly lower resolution
nocturne galleon
also how would I accurately line things up on screen if the two screens aren't the same size (in inches)?
my primary monitor is 22 inches and the shitty TV is 26 inches
ahh well
I'll be getting a new monitor to replace the TV eventually
and I shouldn't need to test the game in surround more since it already works fine and the gui scaler is tested and working
just need to port things over to the new coordinate system
so I can live with overscan
I barely even do multimonitor as it is, I only do it when livestreaming
or when I want to run a game and watch Discord at the same time
Still pretty neat to see the game running in Surround.
That's genuinely cool to me lol
proper gale
i can show it with AMD eyefinity if thats still a thing.
i have three monitors that can run stuff like that.
scenic pagoda
Btw - I would recommend checking out a plugin called Emmet
Its so bloody handy lmao
theres a demo on the docs of how it works
proper gale
@mild basin HELPING!!!!!!!!!!!!
mild basin
Lel!
proper gale
@mild basin what do you need help with?
mild basin
Oh yeah, I had an issue on CodeAccademy, but itโs cool...... I mean I still canโt figure out my error in the python code but, eh....... not like my grades depend on it....
fresh jacinth
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Working progress
slate beacon
I think maybe google maps have an api for traffic data. Or is it wrong traffic im thinking off?
Oh wait @fresh jacinth did you mean Traffic data from the website. If so Firebase is a great tool for that
(Bad english im from norway)
main wyvern
We don't care about that block game in this channel.
late stratus
:(
proper saddle
swift niche
database question: if you were storing two tables, one with containing the name of companies alongside their stock market ticker name, with separate tables made with for each company to store their stock market data, would you use relational db's or document based db's like MongoDB?
little knoll
Relational DB with a view linking tickets with their companies I'd say. Because with document based DB, you'd still have separate table/endpoints but without relation support, so you would have to "Bring Your Own" relational view system. IMO
IMO : Document based DB are more for API/Services which have a lot of entries but don't need to create links between them constantly.
And so, relational DB would make sense if you need to have links between your tables/entries at nearly every requests to the DB.
copper ravine
I would also offer this: look at how the data is read/written. If numerous pieces of related data are written/updated/read together, a document-oriented DB might make more sense. If you don't use historical data and only the more recent, I would also move towards a document DB, but you need to be aware of how and what you accessing in your DB.
hallow siren
Do you search for records using other data than the primary key? Relational tables all the way. Do you want to use the key and get very impressive full record reads? DocumentDB or whatever nosql floats your boat.
WHY would you create separate tables for the companies though?
boreal dove
Had a brain melting internship day today
Even after a while doing something, or getting explaination, i found it hard
its using AJAX
passing data into things
supple marten
not sure where to ask this..but guys that do programming in python, what is best IDE for a beginner?
supple marten
i downloaded visual code from microsoft but it's hella confusing for me
i'm gonna hold you accountable for my trials and tribulation ๐
also...python 2 or 3? am self-learning on codeacademy and they are doing python 2
@grand hornet
oh sublime text is not free..
proper gale
IMO pycharm
grand hornet
@supple marten I started with PY3 since I was barely learning and everybody suggested the newest codebase
PY2 doesn't hurt I would assume but PY3 is better
supple marten
i mean, all the training i've done was on 2
supple marten
i like that ๐
brave bane
i guess it depends on which you learnt
supple marten
which is why i ditched c# which is what we learned one semester in my college
brave bane
ok
proper gale
what were you trying to do?
supple marten
iirc input from user was string and i needed integer
and had to convert every input to integer
proper gale
no, it does at runtime...
python is great language if all you care about is ease of writing and/or writing speed
but if you want speed, you tell it i want an int not a string.
because there is a distinction made in the first place...
proper gale
Programmers Hate PHP
supple marten
yeah but if you write in python
a = 5
it knows it's integer
whilst in c# you have to tell it it's integer
supple marten
it's faster for me to write
proper gale
mostly because not compiled language implements its
"python is great language if all you care about is ease of writing and/or WRITING SPEED"
supple marten
yeah
proper gale
i pointed out that python is fast to write.
but its slow to run.
i can run an entire computation before python even starts to read the script.
but i, ofc, have to use std::strtoi which is much more cryptic than you covert.toint32
which, BTW, you just wrap that in a readInt function and call it a day letting it handle the conversion for you.
supple marten
yeah, no one taught us that
proper gale
did that need to be taught?
grand hornet
I use readInt all the time
But no need to be salty
That's why I just teardown code to understand vs learning from classes or webinars
supple marten
yes, it did need to be taught because when one is faced first time with programming it knows nothing
so yea, it should've been thought
no need to come off all high and mighty
whole quail
They should be teaching you how to figure it out yourself
If you're relying on them to teach you how to do it you either have a bad teacher or haven't learnt anything
There's no way someone is going to tell you exactly how to do every little thing you need to do
They're the one programming in that situation not you
And you're not going to learn to program without programming
supple marten
so in college in a course called 'basic programming' i should NOT be taught in c# that input from user returns string and should be converted by ourselves to integer?
because my teacher did teach me that
i was not taught 'which, BTW, you just wrap that in a readInt function and call it a day letting it handle the conversion for you.'
so yeah, i think that i should be relying on my teacher to tell me that input form user returns string otherwise i would be pretty frustrated writing any program where user inputs numbers and i do math afterwards
whole quail
You're relying on them teaching you to read the documentation
Not to know that x thing does y
If they're not teaching you to figure it out yourself, they might as well train monkeys
Basic programming means you should understand basic terminology and concepts enough to find out more information on your own
It doesn't mean you can make x program or learn x technology or implement x feature
Either they're teaching wrong or you have the wrong expectations
And think you can just go through just doing x instead of learning how to do x
proper gale
i mean, readInt() should already be defined for you in a C# library class, and it would be basically just cpp int readInt(){ return convert.toint32(reader.readLine()); }
its nothing complex, and going yea, that seems like a good idea to do is not something that should need to be taught.
knowing why you would want to split stuff into a separate function and how to do so, should be taught.
whole quail
^
That should be one of the first things you learn when learning an object oriented language
If not the first thing
You should be taught why to do things, not just to use x
Because most of programming isn't in the code, it's the decision making, knowledge and understanding behind the code
It's not about use x function in x way to do this
proper gale
which is why if you ask a proficient programmer to use language X, Y, or Z that they have not used before, they can do so almost immediately.
maybe not well, but they can.
whole quail
With a few exceptions*
proper gale
exceptions mostly being functional vs imperative languages.
whole quail
There are some things that require you to learn more but it's not that big overall
whole quail
I mean the second one isn't that bad if you've used more than a couple languages
proper gale
ik, thats a joke
whole quail
There are some things that require you to learn more but it's not that big overall
proper gale
its not standard across compilers.
whole quail
Yeah it's more of an implementation thing
proper gale
thats why i just use boost
whole quail
Memory management is just a comp sci subject really
And is only difficult because people say it's difficult
Especially pointers
proper gale
yes, but it means i cant just pick up C++ from a garbage collected language
whole quail
They can be annoying but that doesn't make them difficult
proper gale
the memory system is significantly different.
whole quail
But that doesn't matter unless you never really understoood the other language you're coming from
If you don't know what python is doing, moving from that to c++ will be painful
But if you understand how it works internally you already know a lot of the concepts needed
proper gale
GC acts differently enough from MMM that you do need to learn it
whole quail
It's not difficult though
proper gale
its not
whole quail
It's just different
whole quail
Yeah but that's the case with almost everything else in programming
proper gale
yes, but java can be picked up from python easily because they are both GC
whole quail
And the reason knowledge is needed, alongside decision making and understanding to program
proper gale
but C++ from Java or python is not as easy in no small part because of the memory management.
whole quail
Only because it takes time though
Which is going to be the case when learning anything
proper gale
i had a very good understanding of the JVM GC before i started messing with C++, that did not really help me with memory in C++
both how to optimize for it, and how the fuck it works.
whole quail
I never had issues with memory in C++ despite not dealing with anything like it before, I just spent a week learning about what and why
proper gale
i mean, i picked it up and was like pointers, i got this
i have not typed delete sense then.
whole quail
I still don't get why people are scared of pointers
They fucking point to a thing, how hard is it to understand
whole quail
lmao
proper gale
i use those
whole quail
Where lol
whole quail
ahh
Okay yeah that makes sense
Do you cast them or just store the mess using whatever the compiler does
proper gale
Casted to/from structs.
i end up with a few different functions
void* createglBindBufferArgs(GLuint buffer);
void deleteglBindBufferArgs(void* args);
void* glBindBuffer(void* args);
void glBindBuffer(GLuint buffer);```though it is worth noting there is will be an additional deletion layer on top of that so i dont get leeks.
I don't do it the dumb way.
I did consider it though.
whole quail
lol that's such a mess to deal with
Still seems better than wrangling vs to work
Honestly any windows c++ should be renamed to wrangling vs
Since that seems to be the cause of most issues
It's also got a really helpful "feature" where it hides the majority of log information when building so you never see a subset of build errors or warnings
Which leads to weird bugs that take hundreds of hours to find
And once you've realised that vs is the issue, you have to manually build the project that can take a very long time
I've abandoned a project before rather than manually building it lol
proper gale
Msvs or msvc?
whole quail
tbh it could be an issue with both
It's just an error where tools will have a warning or error and output that to the console, but because they're run automatically it never finds the developer
And there's a bunch of obscure issues where that can happen
And you get a perfectly good build with no errors in the code but encountered an issue when building that you never get notified of
And you run the build and it just crashes or doesn't run something or some other weird issue
proper gale
And that is why, I use mingw
whole quail
Sometimes only sections of code are broken
So everything will work
Except one feature
Or one class
You can imagine how bad those errors are to debug
And that I'm not exagerating at all when I say it takes hundreds of hours to debug
Luckily they're rare or unluckily because it makes them harder to find
I can count on one hand how many times it's happened to me
whole quail
It always surprises me how little 100 hours is
whole quail
So 11 normal working days and the time you spend working on the problem outside of work hours
whole quail
lol
proper gale
am i wrong?
whole quail
Hard coded? They soldered crunch time to the board
proper gale
no, it was in the tape out
proper gale
ofc you didnt get it immediately.
swift niche
@copper ravine @little knoll @hallow siren the DB I'm making is supposed to have one table containing company names and their stock market ticker codes, then have a tbale of each company in that list containing the price of their stock with a date attached to it, as well as one more table per company that collects articles from ars Technica and other places, where my program will match changes in a company's stock prices to articles that explain/provide insight into the price change that occurred around that time
copper ravine
that doesn't seem to be the most optimal way of organizing it, but... what are you trying to do?
ah, nvm, I just caught the end of that
well, so you need a table of companies (giving you some sort of primary key you can use to index other tables)
A table of stock values keyed by company id (this one is tricky, more on that in a sec)
And a table of articles
I assume that the table of stock values will be updated as the stock values themselves change, so you will need a timestamp per stock value record
So you see, you don't want a table per company, in fact that makes life much more complicated , since you have to start managing adding/removing tables based on what companies are added/removed from the system.
The stock values table is a "bit" tricky since it is not bounded, and could potentially grow very fast and very large. If this is anything more than a simple fun experiment or some code for school, you will want a way of consolidating stock values by day/week as you get more data
little knoll
The question was about choosing between a document db or a relationnal db
If I recall correctly
copper ravine
And I'm not doing someone's homework or their paid-for work for them ๐
I think my response gives insight without giving away which they should choose
@swift niche If indeed you are required to have a table per company, then I hope you can see the answer to your original question.
little knoll
Here's what have been said the other day
copper ravine
I know; I was one of the original repsonders ๐
swift niche
For the stock prices, I figure I'd have a daily update rather than an hourly price update, since the tables would be HUGE
copper ravine
Heh. Well, I think you have to have a closer look at what you are doing, think about the problem a bit more.
swift niche
I guess I can just have one table containing the company names + tickers, and another containing all companies' stock prices with a timestamp and just do a join on those tables where "company name" = x
copper ravine
Also, a small hint: look at your sampling frequency of the stock values with an eye as to /what/ type of change you want to detect
Yes, that is certainly one way to solve that problem, probably the most "classical"
Re: sampling, if this is for fun/work, you should really have a look at some data sampling theory
swift niche
This is for my computer science capstone course ๐ I have until October to have it done, but I want to figure out the DB structure first so I can worry about the actual coding of the program
copper ravine
Isn't a capstone project the final project before you graduate or something?
swift niche
Yep
Thing is I'm currently taking a DB course and have had some experience with dbms in the past, but I'm not sure what dbms I should choose for this endeavor: I can work with whatever one I choose, the decision is the hard part
ionic hull
Does anyone have an idea for a browser extension? I need something useful that people will use so that I can implement some script that mines crypto currency
vestal glen
nope, because that's just shitty.
ionic hull
Idc
thin cobalt
@ionic hull that's a new level of low
ionic hull
@thin cobalt as I said, I don't really care
copper ravine
@ionic hull if you want to steal compute cycles from people, I can't stop you, but you sure as hell will get no help from me from now on.
ionic hull
left quarry
anyone in here care about userscripts?
little knoll
I've done some for random stuff why ?
left quarry
I am trying to write a tool for it
I'd like to find a community for this sort of stuff
modest pendant
main wyvern
That thing says Donwload
devout lava
lol
fallow zephyr
i'm in my "what the fuck is wrong with me" mindset rn
this is melting my brain, going to bed :d
deep solstice
anyone here know vb?
proper saddle
Why vb? 
dreamy finch
Can I get someone's second opinion on a program I have to write for my college class?
We're basically writing a chat program that heavily takes use of the concepts from AIM and a little bit of Discord.
Well... In this program we have to be able to handle errors that the user may cause.
For example what if the user tries to add themselves as a buddy? How would you handle that? It's things like that, I have to deal with.
My professor doesn't mind if we put easter eggs in our programs, but do you guys think these error messages may come off as offensive?(edited)
If the user tries to add themselves as a friend, the server will return "CANTBUDDYSELF" which causes a JDialog to pop up saying: "Server returned response that you tried to add yourself as a buddy! I know times are tough, but you're better than this..."
If the user tries to remove themselves as a friend, the server will return "CANTUNBUDDYSELF" which causes a JDialog to pop up saying: "Server returned response that you tried to remove yourself as a buddy! If you hate yourself this much, then you need help..."
If the user tries to send a buddy request to someone they're already buddies with it will say:
"Server returned response that you are already buddies with "+buddy+"! I can't believe that you'd forget who your own friends are..."
If the user tries to remove a buddy that they were never buddies with it will say:
"Server returned response that you are trying to remove a buddy: "+buddy+" that you were never buddies with! Are you so angry at the world, that you're removing people who you don't even know? Again... Seek help."
If the user tries to send a buddy request to a user that doesn't exist it will say:
"Server returned response that you are trying to add a buddy that does not exist! Are you now resorting to trying to add imaginary friends? Dude... Seriously... This is starting to get old. Get some help."
nocturne galleon
I think this one might be a bit too far.
Most of the other ones are great, but I'd remove the "Seek help" parts. Imo they're funnier without.
copper ravine
I'd actually worry about how to implement what you want to do as a base first, then add funny msgs in later. You will find out quickly that a online multi-person chat service is a rather complex piece of software to write without going crazy about the "funny" things ๐
ionic hull
And why would a user be able to add himself or any of his current friends? That is just bad ux
fallow zephyr
this is the first time i've seen someone refer to an exclamation mark as a "bang." interdasting
i don't know js i was just looking through random so questions :p
timber violet
ive heard that before
fallow zephyr
I've heard interrobang ( โ ) but not bang on its own
copper ravine
bang is what it is called
misty roost
>If the user tries to send a buddy request to a user that doesn't exist it will say:
"Server returned response that you are trying to add a buddy that does not exist! Are you now resorting to trying to add imaginary friends? Dude... Seriously... This is starting to get old. Get some help."
At that point you're assuming, that user already tried other things. It might that it's his first try to break something
swift niche
I've heard # be referred to as shebang and ! be called bang
tropic grail
That's normal
swift niche
For people who developed both the backend and frontend of an app, would you make the GUI as it's own class or would you make the "main" function of the program be the GUI itself?
vestal glen
always separate view and model.
copper ravine
I second the separate the application logic from the GUI logic; they very often have two different approaches dev-wise, and usually have different functionality and responsibilities. Also, it's a lot easier to merge two things that were split initially than to split a single blob of code later
swift niche
In my case, I have all the backend in their own classes, but the GUI is the part I'm trying to figure out how to connect
I know how to do MVC in Java and C#, but Python is proving challenging
fallow zephyr
i'm writing a program in c# that works with .obj model files, does this look acceptable from a formatting standpoint? I just wrote it and thought it looked just a bit weird.
this bit of code uses the stream writer to write something like this -> "f 1 2 3 2" (depending on what is actually in indicesToWrite)
proper gale
@vestal glen @swift niche do you actually subscribe to the MVC paradigm?
do separate the logic so it can run independently, no problems there.
but the MVC way of OOP is generally, horrid to program.
swift niche
@proper gale I learned MVC for my Organization of Programming Languages course where we coded a game in different languages, and used MVC to do so, but because we were doing it with OOP it indeed was horrid
Where C and C++ make you set up MVC stuff manually, while Java and C# have built-in stuff for the View, Python is more akin to C and C++ in terms making it conform to MVC
swift niche
I've seen it done in C, it's awful
and at least when I did it, we made an Android app, which worked out well enough for MVC
and normal Java does have GUI libraries, no?
gray hazel
vestal glen
@proper gale I don't think you should do complete MVC-stuff. But separating model and view is still a good idea. And usually you'd have a router in a web application, which you could call the controller...
mighty fossil
import json, requests, sys
ImportError: No module named requests
what the fuck does that mean?
I'm trying to use https://github.com/elevenchars/discorddelete
north hare
I need some help with something HTML and CSS related. Anyone up?
north hare
@deep solstice I'm late I know but I know some VB (6.0 though) I might be able to help you
restive sundial
after some time i have gave my bot a simple menu
oh fuck i just noticed one thing and its making me want to die
pulsar current
Has anyone else looked into the new nvenc codec supports
Nvidia supports up to h265 lossless on most pascal cards from what i've read
And i've been looking into when this support is coming to geforce
nocturne galleon
I dont sorry
swift niche
@pulsar current are you asking when h265 or other codecs will come to Shadowplay?
Because you can use OBS Studio and choose the encoder as you please
pulsar current
I know that OBS lets your choose which codec and how many tracks but it lacks in other areas. Shadow play is very simple to deal with and I know it's always gonna work.
sonic salmon
what would i need to do if i want like a testimonial quote on a webpage, where it would change to a different random other one on each refresh, so that it wouldnt just be the same testimonial quote each time
proper gale
use the servertime to index the list of them.
swift niche
@pulsar current They'll do it if h265 ever becomes more feasible to use in real-time than h264, which probably won't happen. H264 is good for real-time use, h265 is for saving storage space at the cost of CPU power and time. A group of big time devs and companies are teaming up right now to develop the AV1 standard, which is supposed to have lower CPU and GPU usage for both playback and recording, and supposed to have file sizes just as small if not smaller than h265, but that has a few years until it'll be out and become mainstream
shrewd siren
Hi all
Anyone up for a quick challenge
Nothing more than about 60 seconds of coding for most people
proper gale
@shrewd siren sure, what is it?
shrewd siren
- Pull all Window Handles
- Grab the title for each of those Handles (if you don't have any called "Default IME" you haven't grabbed all handles)
- Count how many are titled just "G"
swift niche
This sounds like a homework assignment ๐
lone monolith
Lol
ionic hull
๐ ๐ค
slate beacon
Does someone have experience with ModSecurity for apache?
tropic grail
Depends. What's up?
slate beacon
@tropic grail i want an easy script that redirects me to another page after 5 refreshes. Like an secret site after 5 refreshes
And it counts down every refresh every 10th secound
If you know what i mean๐
tropic grail
You'd have to set a variable that increments per refresh, then upon that 5th refresh initiates a meta redirect.
Easiest way to prevent the variable from disappearing would be to set it in a cookie.
slate beacon
@tropic grail do you have a website with info or could you make an example that i could use
proper gale
@slate beacon you would have to use cookies, HTTP remembers nothing.
slate beacon
@proper gale i need something in modsecurity that counts refreshes
proper gale
oh, idfk.
slate beacon
๐๐
proper saddle
Behold! I've used the Google's Street View API to append an image to the page!
little knoll
Hey developers friends! Here is a new Humble Bundle for us, mainly oriented for python developers, there is also some resources for web developpers ! (Digital Ocean credit and Postman REST API tester)
But also for all kind of developers, even for beginners ! (egghead.io training courses, GitKraken git client licence...)
https://www.humblebundle.com/software/python-dev-kit-bundle
Remember to set where you money goes to help caritative foundations and their actions!
devout lava
Lol
swift niche
@little knoll sucks that most of those are either subscriptions or PyCharm stuff, AKA not very useful
little knoll
Yeah... But the egghead.io sub is really cool and worth it IMO
And 20$ that I mostly given to charity (18$, 16$ to the Wikimedia foundation) isn't that pricey imo
proper saddle
Found out you can get a $100 digital Ocean credit for free.
And I don't think they stack
nocturne galleon
@deep solstice I know VB what do you need help with
Anyone know swift 4.0 and how to use the CMMotionActivity function with automotive initialiser
hasty sail
PyCharm licence for that price is pretty nice tho
as far as you don't need to use other stuff from Intellij
copper ravine
it's only for a 2-month subscription
which means you can't use it after that
IntelliJ's licensing works that if you sub for a year, you get to "keep" that version without re-subscribing for subsequent years (but no updates, obviously)
swift niche
IMO you don't need an IDE for Python, considering IDLE is pretty decent, and if you want to run the program from within your editor you can use Atom with the Script addon
proper gale
@swift niche depending on project size, and IDE is nice regardless of language.
hasty sail
oh okay, didn't know about that subscription thingy
as long as you just write little scripts in python, you can use pretty much anything
vestal glen
Yeah. You don't need an IDE for anything. You only need a text editor. But an IDE can make whatever you are doing a lot less brain or lookup heavy.
Or alt+tabbing heavy.
hasty sail
but for developing a application that is a bit larger an IDE is basically a must if you want to remain productive
but that is just my opinion
wheat orbit
is there anyone here who can help me with some sql?
proper saddle
The way this API's data is sorted is giving me a headache. 
swift niche
@wheat orbit whatcha need
@proper gale I'd still argue that you don't NEED the pro version of PyCharm considering there is a free version, but the extra features are nice
proper gale
If you want to do Django, you do.
For straight python, no, you don't.
@swift niche
wheat orbit
@swift niche if you could look over some queries and tell me why they dont work that would be great
swift niche
@wheat orbit no problem, message em to me. I actually jus got out of a database course final exam lol
wheat orbit
lol ok thanks
swift niche
@proper gale I've used Flask and Django in Atom and IDLE, although IDLE did make it difficult, but Atom was still super easy to work with
proper gale
For pycharm, you need pro for Django.
But for the most part, free is fine
But then there is clion, the best c++ IDE
swift niche
I'm going to try PyCharm free edition before I make any more assumptions
Because I was surprised how much easier it is to code in java with the Intellij IDE than it is to code C++ in Visual Studio
swift niche
Nope, already hate it
proper gale
why?
swift niche
Backspace isn't even doing what it's intended for lol
Apparently it's Shift + Backspace
and the delete key doesn't lead into the next line
proper gale
they work fine for me.
swift niche
Seems that installing the Vim addon defaults to having Vim used automatically, AKA delete and backspace are doing what they do in VIM
back to testing
raven needle
hey anyone know a good tool to check automatically if a website is snooping on a paypal iframe?
mint coral
hey can anyone help me with an issue in sql
with entering data into a table which doesnt work for some reason
ionic hull
@raven needle from what I understood, you can't manipulate an iframe
You cannot get data from it
restive sundial
when my paper 2d character moves around it kinda gets messed up in ue4
fallow zephyr
is this bad practice? (having two statements on the same line like this)
basically im setting out a datagridview, the stuff on the left is the left hand column, the stuff on the right the right column
nvm i found a less terrible way
north knoll
swift niche
Anyone know how I can measure the time it takes for a process to start and finish in Python
Right I know I have this:
proc = []
for fn in fns:
p = Process(target=fn, args=(arg1, arg2,))
p.start()
proc.append(p)
for p in proc:
p.join()```Each thread is executing a different function in their own process asynchronously
proper gale
@swift niche import time
then time.time() will give you the current time in microseconds.
swift niche
I know of that, I'm asking to measure the time of each process individually
proper gale
know that starting a thread is not exactly a fast process, so it may not be much or any faster
swift niche
In a synchronous program, I can just do:
...do commands here...
end = time.time()
total = end - start```mhmm
swift niche
but this is running three processes separately, and I don't know how to measure each one separately
proper gale
do that, inside them.
you can use a wrapping function to call the desired function that will record the time.
just be careful of print synchronization.
swift niche
These are printing to separate log files (one for each process), so that shouldn't be an issue.
What you're saying to do something like this?
start = time.time()
someProc.start()
someProc.join()
end = time.time()
total = end - start
def runInParallel(*fns):
proc = []
for fn in fns:
p = Process(target=fn, args=(arg1, arg2,))
myTimer(p)
proc.append(p)
for p in proc:
p.join()```no
def timeFunction(func):
start = time.time();
func()
end = time.time();
pass
def runInParallel(fns):
proc = []
for fn in fns:
p = Process(target=func, args=fn)
proc.append(p)
p.start()
pass
for p in proc:
p.join();
pass
pass```@swift niche ^
proper saddle
Python bothers me for some reason. 
little knoll
Maybe because that's a venomous little noodle ๐ค
If a thing like that was running on my PC, I'd be bothered too... (Even if a venomous noodle would suck at running...)
proper gale
@little knoll maybe beacuse its syntax is cancer?
little knoll
Not cancer, just different
proper gale
cancer
no explicit scope, cancer.
im fine if its not needed, but let me if i want to.
little knoll
Would you hate someone because he have cancer ? No, you would just be awkward because he is different
(I can't believe that I just done this link)
proper gale
different == have cancer (in this context)
little knoll
"Don't judge a book by its cover" ?
little knoll
true
I've just though of something, what if we just all speak using code in this channel ? (Yeah, I definitely need to sleep a bit ^^')
little knoll
const ShouldWeSpeakWithCode = () => {
return "probably no"
}
Why would you return a string
Now you have to create a common function to parse it
into a boolean
ffs
grand hornet
return false
swift niche
IMO I like Python a lot over every other language I learned at Uni, like C, C++, Java, or Javascript
Only ones I can I say I like after extended use of a bunch of languages is AngularJS, Scala, and Python
proper gale
@swift niche AngularJS is an API, not a language...
also, when you start getting into complex shit, you start to like static typing.
besides python's abysmal speed.
@little knoll cpp auto const* isThisABadIdea = [&](){ return difficulty > -1; }
nocturne galleon
I have absolutly no experience in any of this, but I loved this game
anybody understand this? https://github.com/cp-nilly/NR-CORE
its the source code to a flash based game i used to love.
and then it shut down
Forever
;-;
upbeat folio
Step 1: Research using Discord as an Identity Provider.
Step 2: Discover that Discord uses OAuth 2.0.
Step 3: Try not to cry.
Step 4: Learn more about OAuth 2.0 than you ever thought you'd need to know.
Step 5: Follow a tutorial to the letter.
Step 6: Discord now throws a 500 error at you for your attempts.
Step 7: Give up, grab a drink, and do something else for a bit.
main wyvern
discord's OAuth2 is simple
north knoll
the sims 3 patchnotes are my absolute favorite thing in the world
to be a fly on the wall while that dev team works on fixing some of these issues like holy crap
ebon light
does anyone recognise an .net technology that sounds similar to "dundercode", "thundercore", thunercode" that's easily learnt if you're familiar with MVC?
i was talking to a colleague but there's a bit of accent when they talk so I couldn't exactly identify which technology they were speaking of
swift niche
Are you sure you weren't thinking of ElectronNet? that's the only electricity-sounding thing I know for .net
proper saddle
swift niche
Huh, you'd think blockchain would be higher considering how everyone and their mother throw that buzzword around in the projects
ebon light
apparently it was just a cms called Thunder
pluralsight is so good
thanks for that
the tech index
swift niche
I'm trying to make nested progress bars in a Python console program, I've tried tqdm and progressbar2, but neither of them work well with nested loops
Anyone know what I can try doing?
I've also tried Progressive, but it only runs on Posix systems and I need this to be transferable between OS's
Figured out how to fix my issues using tqdm
proper saddle
winged zodiac
Is anyone here a black hat, grey hat, or white hat? (Or coder interested in hacking?)
whole quail
@winged zodiac also known as just a hacker...
And unless you're asking about something trivial you will want to be more specific
nocturne galleon
look in the back ground and what vedio is it you might get it
winged zodiac
@whole quail Iโm seeing if anyone is interested in joking a ctf
whole quail
Depending on the skill level it is you probably won't have much luck finding someone here
small kelp
I need some help setting up LUA and LUA Sockets in the eclipse IDE... could osmone assist me getting everything working
ionic hull
@winged zodiac what kind of ctf? Web based technologies, embedded systems?
winged zodiac
@ionic hull itโs the defcon quals@whole quail
whole quail
yeah you're gonna need to look somewhere else for that
winged zodiac
Oh we are just doing it for fun Iโll send you a telegram invite related@whole quail
whole quail
Ahh makes more sense
Because I highly doubt anyone here capable of doing well in the defcon ctf would both have the time and not have a team already
But yeah depending on when you need it if it's just a fun go I can join
winged zodiac
We just have a team of random coders
whole quail
Anyone with hacking/security oriented backgrounds or experience? xd
But yeah that sounds like something fun I'd enjoy
I definitely couldn't help you get a good place but I have the knowledge to have some fun breaking shit
winged zodiac
@whole quail um me and one other are hacking, we have a webdev, an os dev, a super computer engineer and a couple Linux nerds
whole quail
When will you need me?
winged zodiac
Whenever Iโll send an invite in a bit
whole quail
But yeah I have a hacking/theory background and some reversing and windows stuff alongside basic web server and services pen testing
I can run tools, make a few of them and understand things basically
winged zodiac
Ok
whole quail
@winged zodiac how many points do you guys have?
ionic hull
@winged zodiac i do mostly web "hacking", sql injection and soo on, and you already have a guy. Good luck
ebon light
you aren't from hackerone are you
prisma obsidian
anyone else dislike rails and its undocumented assumptions ?
vestal glen
I like rails because it has lead to some great github wars. But I don't even know it apart from that.
thin hull
I get to put all this into a list because microsoft thought that making a property an integer was better than keeping it as a string array.... YAAAAAAY! IM SO HAPPY! /s
storm plume
Anyone familiar with HTML, CSS, Flask(Python) please @ping me
trying to get a footer to stick to the bottom of the page and work with CSS but it refuses!!
thin hull
https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_footer.asp have you tried this?
thin hull
and theres nothing below it...?
thin hull
that would help...
storm plume
<footer> <div class="footer"> <ul> <li>ยฉ Copyright 2018 Bored Corner</li> <li><a href="DISCORD LINK" target="_blank" title="Discord Server">Discord</a></li> </ul> </div> </footer>
the footer is lined up
btw
thin hull
use ```
storm plume
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<footer>
<div class="footer">
<ul>
<li>ยฉ Copyright 2018 Bored Corner</li>
<li><a href=MY DISCORD LINK target="_blank" title="Discord Server">Discord</a></li>
</ul>
</div>
</footer>
its a website for my community
(discord lol)
.footer {
position: fixed;
left: 0;
bottom: 0;
width: 100%;
height: 20px;
background-color: red;
color: white;
text-align: center;
}
.footer li {
display: inline;
}
I tried that CSS and a lot more
dawn wadi
It could be the div tag, but I haven't worked with HTML in a bit so hard to say
thin hull
my guess would be that div tag is fucking things up
dawn wadi
Yea, smae ^
storm plume
i also tried without the div, but still doesnt work
all it shows is the same thing
ill show you the layout code
devout lava
That works for me
thin hull
again, I dont do website stuff... so last time I worked with html was Grade 11 in a coding class I got my school to start that ended after i finished...
storm plume
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
<head>
<title>Bored Corner Page Layout</title>
<link rel="stylesheet" href="{{ url_for('static', filename='css/main.css') }}">
</head>
<body>
<header>
<div class="container">
<h1 class="logo"><a href="{{ url_for('home') }}"><b>Bored Corner</b></a></h1>
<strong><nav>
<ul class="menu">
<li><a href="{{ url_for('home') }}">Home</a></li>
<li><a href="{{ url_for('about') }}">About</a></li>
<li><a href="adada" target="_blank" title="Discord Server">Discord</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/boredcorner" target="_blank" title="Reddit Subreddit">Reddit</a></li>
</ul>
<nav><strong>
</div>
</header>
<div class="container">
{% block content %}
{% endblock %}
</div>
<footer>
<div class="footer">
<ul>
<li>ยฉ Copyright 2018 Bored Corner</li>
<li><a href="d" target="_blank" title="Discord Server">Discord</a></li>
</ul>
</div>
</footer>
</body>
</html>
that looks fine, you just dont have any content to fill the page so that IS the bottom of the page....
add html next to the ```
storm plume
i removed the discord invite links if you are wondering what the random dadad were
dawn wadi
Might be true, try putting random filler images maybe
storm plume
but also, the css code isnt doing anything to the footer
thin hull
probably cause its looking for the footer class and not the footer tag....
storm plume
heres the css that goes with it
body {
font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
color: #444;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
padding-bottom: 20px;
}
header {
background-color: #6ba3ff;
height: 35px;
width: 100%;
opacity: 0.9;
margin-bottom: 10px;
}
header h1.logo {
font-size: 1.7em;
color: #fff;
text-transform: uppercase;
float: left;
margin: 0;
text-decoration: none;
}
header h1.logo:hover {
color: #fff;
text-decoration: none;
}
.container {
width: 1200px;
margin: 0 auto;
}
h2 {
font-size: 3em;
margin-top: 40px;
text-align: center;
letter-spacing: -2px;
}
h3 {
font-size: 1.7em;
font-weight: 100;
margin-top: 30px;
text-align: center;
letter-spacing: -1px;
color: #999;
}
.menu {
float: right;
margin-top: 8px;
}
.menu li {
display: inline;
}
.menu li + li {
margin-left: 35px;
}
.menu li a {
color: #444;
text-decoration: none;
}
div.home,div.about {
background-color: #E6E6FA;
-webkit-border-radius: 6px;
-moz-border-radius: 6px;
border-radius: 10px;
padding: 10px 0 30px;
}
.footer {
position: fixed;
left: 0;
bottom: 0;
width: 100%;
height: 20px;
background-color: red;
color: white;
text-align: center;
}
.footer li {
display: inline;
}
Works for me https://linusdrop.tips/edbc65c5.png
thin hull
please add highlighting.... please
devout lava
body {
font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
color: #444;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
padding-bottom: 20px;
}
header {
background-color: #6ba3ff;
height: 35px;
width: 100%;
opacity: 0.9;
margin-bottom: 10px;
}
header h1.logo {
font-size: 1.7em;
color: #fff;
text-transform: uppercase;
float: left;
margin: 0;
text-decoration: none;
}
header h1.logo:hover {
color: #fff;
text-decoration: none;
}
.container {
width: 1200px;
margin: 0 auto;
}
h2 {
font-size: 3em;
margin-top: 40px;
text-align: center;
letter-spacing: -2px;
}
h3 {
font-size: 1.7em;
font-weight: 100;
margin-top: 30px;
text-align: center;
letter-spacing: -1px;
color: #999;
}
.menu {
float: right;
margin-top: 8px;
}
.menu li {
display: inline;
}
.menu li + li {
margin-left: 35px;
}
.menu li a {
color: #444;
text-decoration: none;
}
div.home,div.about {
background-color: #E6E6FA;
-webkit-border-radius: 6px;
-moz-border-radius: 6px;
border-radius: 10px;
padding: 10px 0 30px;
}
.footer {
position: fixed;
left: 0;
bottom: 0;
width: 100%;
height: 20px;
background-color: red;
color: white;
text-align: center;
}
.footer li {
display: inline;
}
yay
dawn wadi
Maybe its what you're using to create the css?
thin hull
dude got muted... rip
narrow kestrel
Rips
dawn wadi
I can't get the CSS to work period
thin hull
https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml5_footer yeah... problem is that theres no other content to push it further down the page... also hes using classes rather than the tag in the css
dawn wadi
The class shouldn't be causing problems, i think
thin hull
it is when he isnt using the tag and never uses a class named "footer"
storm plume
@somber tangle yay im unmuted
thin hull
wrong person lol
thin hull
not enough content on the page, also dont use classes in the footer css, just use the tag
devout lava
Wow that wasn't long
storm plume
oh ok so remove the footer div
devout lava
I've gotten muted before because of this chat
storm plume
or should i keep the div
thin hull
doesnt matter
storm plume
@devout lava did you get muted too?
devout lava
Yes xD
thin hull
lol
storm plume
lol
devout lava
The bot doesn't like a lot of new lines
storm plume
@thin hull should i remove the div?
thin hull
doesnt matter
storm plume
ok so i can keep the <div class="footer"> or remove that too
thin hull
remove the class
storm plume
k
ima check it now
still not syncing with css
any idea why? or do I need a seperate html for footer?
thin hull
no... just a tag and the css for the tag
thin hull
yes?
storm plume
ok
@thin hull still doesnt work
heres the main page code
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
<head>
<title>Bored Corner</title>
<link rel="stylesheet" href="{{ url_for('static', filename='css/main.css') }}">
</head>
<body>
{% extends "layout.html" %}
{% block content%}
<div class="home">
<h2>
<b>The Place To Kill Your Boredom!</b>
</h2>
</div>
{% endblock %}
<footer>
<div>
<ul>
<li>ยฉ Copyright 2018 Bored Corner</li>
<li><a href="https:/" target="_blank" title="Discord Server">Discord</a></li>
</ul>
</div>
</footer>
</body>
</html>```and i linked the css to that
thin hull
yeah, theres no content above it... thats why, add a bunch of garbage pictures and stuff above it