To me it feels that having my fans run at audible levels on a landing page is a bit much 😄
#development
obtuse stump
obtuse stump
I bet the problem is that it was developed on a desktop PC with i7 from last few gens.
Where it works just fine.
carmine relic
the background should probably be prerendered
there's no need for the fancy mouse animations
like sure, it looks cool
but it really kills CPU
obtuse stump
It might be something temporary as well, as floatplane.com is not finished yet. So we'll see.
If it acts the same when they go live, I will cry 😄
carmine relic
My money is that it's the rendering of the background which is causing CPU usage issues, but yeah, people will cry if it remains an issue when floatplane launches
obtuse stump
Yeah, must be the background.
Forget laptop on floatplane signin page -> battery empty in 1h 😄
obtuse stump
Probably
carmine relic
if not, might be a good idea to mention him 👀
obtuse stump
Though he as well uses desktop PC-s a lot 😛
I am quite sure they do not follow discourse that much because they have gazillion mentions here
carmine relic
Probably, but hey, it might be worth a shot
Andrei from Discord probably gets a million mentions a day but still responds to a bunch of the sane ones 😛
ember kiln
There's a ton of optimisation still to be done to the floatplane site - it's super in development still
carmine relic
yeah, that much is obvious
it's mostly a question of "what is slow on certain underpowered devices", really
proper gale
no, its more of "what is taking a lot of resources at all"
i dont want floatplane to kill my desktop.
carmine relic
¯_(ツ)_/¯
proper gale
gritty carbon
lol
rich cradle
@carmine relic have you tried the new firefox in comparison, it got a hefty rework and it runs way faster and doesn't eat as much resources as chrome
proper gale
reducing conditionals in performance critical code be like
(unsigned int(x | y | z)) >> 4 <= 15```checking if all threee numbers follow -1 < n < 16
now to see if that is actually faster
whole quail
Most of the time in compiled languages it won't be faster
obtuse stump
But it will be a lot harder to understand in 1 year on a glance.
daring anchor
if it improves performance enough you can comment a diferent version next to it
ember kiln
at best it goes from 6 to 4 instructions
daring anchor
if its performance critical it is compiled, and the compiler should optimize it anyway
whole quail
Compilers can optimize asm really easily
proper gale
Ik, but in don't trust them unless I test it.
Which I still haven't done.
If this was on a gpu though, that would make a large difference.
For a very odd reason
carmine relic
If you're writing performance critical code you should probably be using assembly anyway 😛
proper gale
a) i dont know ASM
b) not sure if there is a difference between Linux and Windows
and this code will probably be ported to OpenCL at some point so minimizing conditionals is preferable.
even if there is no performance benifit on x86
vernal lily
proper gale
...
carmine relic
the last time I tried tensorflow it didn't work
proper gale
this code```cpp
void benchmark (bool (*func)(int, int, int)){
long long start = std::chrono::system_clock::now().time_since_epoch().count();
for (int l = 0; l < 100000; ++l) {
for (int i = 0; i < 33; ++i) {
for (int j = 0; j < 33; ++j) {
for (int k = 0; k < 33; ++k) {
func(i, j, k);
}
}
}
}
std::cout << std::chrono::system_clock::now().time_since_epoch().count() - start << std::endl;
}
int main() {
auto checkCoordinateA = [](int x, int y, int z) {
return (x >= 0 && x < 16 && y >= 0 && y < 16 && z >=0 && z < 16);
};
auto checkCoordinateB = [](int x, int y, int z) {
return ((x | y | z) >> 4) == 0;
};
benchmark(checkCoordinateA);
benchmark(checkCoordinateB);
return 0;
}```
this result```
17088509000
15967359000
i think ill go with the latter
wait a sec, i forgot to turn on optimization
same code, GCC -O3 6394902100 5787498400
thats on a ryzen 7 1700x compiled with mingw so results will vary.
carmine relic
yeah, I gathered
on coliru:
995114400
1050329957
and it seems pretty consistent about it too
wait no nevermind, it changed again
934209371
809898917
i get my result consistantly
carmine relic
I'm guessing whatever coliru is using favours it on one machine but not the other
proper gale
if you have a C++ compiler installed, try it on your computer
carmine relic
yeah, with -O3 it still produces 919... and 1039...
sure, i'll try it on mine
dev@Tristan:~ $ g++ -std=c++14 -O3 -Wall -pedantic benchmark.cpp && ./a.out
8961096974
7451820357
dev@Tristan:~ $ clang++ -std=c++14 -O3 -Wall -pedantic benchmark.cpp && ./a.out
86
75
what CPU?
carmine relic
AMD FX-4300
proper gale
right
should probably try on intel
but me laptop doesnt have mingw yet, FLASH DRIVE!
carmine relic
Oooo, in -O2 on clang they're almost exactly the same
dev@Tristan:~ $ g++ -std=c++14 -O2 -Wall -pedantic benchmark.cpp && ./a.out
8972975353
7338630398
dev@Tristan:~ $ clang++ -std=c++14 -O2 -Wall -pedantic benchmark.cpp && ./a.out
7165611238
7176983855
well, i am using g++ not clang sooo
carmine relic
I'm super confused as to why I'm getting different behaviour with -O3 vs -O2 in clang
dev@Tristan:~ $ rm a.out
dev@Tristan:~ $ clang++ -std=c++14 -O2 -Wall -pedantic benchmark.cpp && ./a.out
7167534222
7200244570
dev@Tristan:~ $ rm a.out
dev@Tristan:~ $ clang++ -std=c++14 -O3 -Wall -pedantic benchmark.cpp && ./a.out
90
72
Where did you guys learn this stuff? Looks advanced
proper gale
benchmarking code == advanced, wut?
to actually answer, for me, the internet.
so Finite, trust compilers as much anymore?
carmine relic
i think clang was doing some weird shit in -O3, i get more-or-less the same results now that I converted both times to ms
proper gale
in g++ and clang?
carmine relic
clang is very similar for both -O3 and -O2; gcc is 8s for benchmark 1, and 6s for benchmark 2 in -O3 and -O2
proper gale
ill take those 2s
carmine relic
it's more like 1.4s really
proper gale
ill still take it
carmine relic
so yeah, clang is more consistent with its results but is slower than gcc's fastest
proper gale
this is in a mesh generator so i have about 16ms (max) and over 25000 calls
carmine relic
dev@Tristan:~ $ clang++ -std=c++14 -O2 -Wall -pedantic benchmark.cpp && ./a.out
7204ms
7445ms
dev@Tristan:~ $ clang++ -std=c++14 -O3 -Wall -pedantic benchmark.cpp && ./a.out
7252ms
7319ms
dev@Tristan:~ $ g++ -std=c++14 -O3 -Wall -pedantic benchmark.cpp && ./a.out
8397ms
6737ms
dev@Tristan:~ $ g++ -std=c++14 -O2 -Wall -pedantic benchmark.cpp && ./a.out
8292ms
6715ms
per generation, for just this
carmine relic
Maybe you could make use of C++ template magic 👀
proper gale
for what?
carmine relic
what do you do with the result of checkCoordinate? ignore the coord if its false?
proper gale
its for array bounds checking
proper gale
int modifiedCoordinate = x - 1 + i;
if (checkCoordinate(modifiedCoordinate, y, z)) {
int neighbor = blockData.ID[modifiedCoordinate][y][z];
if (neighbor != 0 && getRenderLayer(neighbor) == OPAQUE) {
face.direction = UP << (i >> 1);
generatedFaces.emplace_back(face);
}
}
// ...
16x16x16 voxel mesh
i see an error in there, but ehh
ill fix that in the actual code
carmine relic
oh, you're generating a mesh from a set of voxels?
proper gale
yup
carmine relic
yeah that could deffo be improved on using template metaprogramming 😛
proper gale
and i need check all six neighboring voxel IDs to see if they are in the opaque render layer
if one is, i dont need to render that face
carmine relic
yep, makes sense
proper gale
if its not, that face needs to be rendered because i dont have a gurentee that it cant be seen
and i dont want to step out of my array.
so when i step out if it, im going to assume transparent/translucent is possible until i add in cross chunk checking
carmine relic
yeah
proper gale
so there is 4096 blocks
carmine relic
man, I want to make a voxel engine now
proper gale
that each check their bound 6 times (i guess i dont need to in the middle)
here is the repo
carmine relic
well I guess I'm making a simple voxel engine for shits and giggles 😛
also its <link> to disable embeds
proper gale
i personally like this remark of mine ```markdown
Presumed FAQ
...
Are you planning on adding support for Mac OS?
Is Apple planning on supporting Vulkan?```
apple gets the finger
nocturne galleon
It's okay but coming from a exsi env, it sure isn't as streamlined gui wise. And having to reboot the entire server after making some network chances is annoying, but that's Linux
This is my proxmox cluster, still have to make them communicate over infiniband with each other.
bright olive
i only have one server on it atm, but I'm considering expanding ;/
gritty rain
Is there a decent python equivalent of electron?
proper gale
ESXI is great
proper saddle
@gritty rain https://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter
proper gale
jakk, not sure if you did change this for this channel
but make sure that large amounts of text wont result in a mute
posting well over 2k characters is common in a dev channel
multi message ofc, but it still happens
proper saddle
What's a good site for buying domains? I've looked at namecheap, but I was wondering if there was a better site for it.
proper gale
domains.google
maiden flower
Yeah use Google Domains. Bought mine with GoDaddy and I regret it. I'm gonna buy mine with Google when it expires.
main wyvern
proper gale
can someone verify that i did this correctly?
https://hastebin.com/ukedivuwef.http
its a vertex chunk mesh generator.
i am aware there is no texture location, im handling that in the shaders.
it should create all faces (quads), triangulate them, then reduce the verticies with an EBO.
note, its C++
alpine wolf
would anyone be willing to work with me on a python discord bot?
whole quail
Work with or help?
cyan niche
I know all about python but I'm all programmed out for the day.
@gritty rain that question doesn't make sense.
Electron is a framework for running web apps as desktop applications.
Python is already running as a desktop application.
There is a built in GUI library called tkinter that will let you do a lot as long as you don't get too fancy
gritty rain
@alpine wolf What's your plan batman?
alpine wolf
I give u access to the repo and you do a certain part and I a certain part
proper gale
i want a vote for a project of mine http://www.strawpoll.me/14497531
sacred forge
i love discord RPC
whole quail
Rich Presence is cool
nocturne galleon
Shame bots can't touch it
gritty rain
Guild/InterGuild matchmaking?
sacred forge
@whole quail RPC doesn't support bots.
gritty rain
but can bots access RPC?
proper gale
no, thats what he means.
wooden ravine
What should I use to build my website? I have the domain already
dawn sorrel
code it yourself
carmine relic
dreamweaver, of course :^)
dawn sorrel
or brackets, if you want freeware
wooden ravine
I'd be willing to pay for now while I learn to code it myself, I just need something up
dawn sorrel
Wordpress is used alot, if you want to click something together
wooden ravine
Ok I'll look into that, thanks
little knoll
If you want something a bit more powerful, you have others CMS like Joomla, Concrete5 or Drupal.
whole quail
Use one of the suggested or pay someone hundreds or thousands to build a website for you depending what you want
fallow zephyr
tfw nobody has mentioned Squarespace yet
dawn sorrel
Squarespace is paid
gritty rain
@wooden ravine do you know any coding languages right now?
little knoll
You can also look on your hosting dashboard (if you already have a web server), most hosting providers have some CMS available as "auto install" or "auto setup"
nocturne galleon
Does anyone here have experience coding discord bots?
I'm assuming that the discord bot can only be used when the command prompt is open on my laptop but is there anyway to get it to run 24/7? or would I need some hardware to do that?
violet jewel
discord.js?
nocturne galleon
I’m using the commando package right now
I don’t have my laptop on me right now but my main idea was to make a bot for my discord but if it can’t run 24/7 without extra hardware that kind of sucks
random lantern
wait you're using discord commando?
also yes you need dedicate hardware to run something 24/7 that's how things work xd
crystal pike
I'm pretty sure you can run it off a VPS if you don't want to set up extra hardware yourself
violet jewel
@nocturne galleon so you can use the pm2 package
to run it 24/7
and yes you need a VPS
nocturne galleon
Ok I’ll look into it see if it’s even worth it
nocturne galleon
@nocturne galleon Okay lets jot down some things
Dont use discord.js commando reasons being it has memory leaks, its bad and its just use something like Klasa or Komada made by good developers who know what they're doing.
To host a bot 24/7 you need someone like a vps
using pm2 a process manager
if its a small bot you could use glitch.com or heroku
cunning leaf
Is anyone renting cheap vps servers
bright olive
I recommend SSDNodes for cheap OVZ (but u have to pay yearly to get a good deal), BuyVM (for kvms, they have dedicated resource options.)
mint sluice
Hey can anyone explain me what is operator overloading in c++ lol I've got a test in next 30mins lol
mint sluice
Thanks man I was on ibm site and couldn't understand shit
carmine relic
Don't link tutorials point 😠
whole quail
Tutorials point is normally never actually helpful and cppreference has such a layout that it's only really useful when you want a specific niche bit of information
cplusplus.com I find to have the best information to usability ratio
mint sluice
I was writing a test and cheating it went good 😂
sour nova
@nocturne galleon A raspberrypi should also work.
wooden shadow
does development also include web programming?
dawn sorrel
yes
carmine relic
cplusplus.com is even worse than tutorialspoint
cppreference is the best actual reference because it's written by the people who actually work on the standard
for learning, i'd suggest books written by C++ standards members
whole quail
cppreference is terrible to use unless you need a specific niche piece of information
It's a complete mess
Also tutorials are better than books now
Maybe 3 years ago the tutorials all sucked but now they're better than the books
carmine relic
cppreference really isn't a mess
e.g. a search for std::string returns http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/string/basic_string, which (A) is a completely reasonable URL, (B) contains completely reasonable, structured content and (C) is actually quite readable
and books don't have to be like library books: they can be online things too
either way, something written by C++ standards members beats anything written by anybody else by a mile, because it's written by somebody who actually knows the language
zealous plaza
To use a reference like that properly, you need to understand the underlying concepts enough to know where to look, and to piece apart the information from the reference
graceful silo
Anyone have suggestions for website creation software? I'm likely going to go with Dreamweaver (and just get the CS6 Master Collection on /r/microsoftsoftwareswap because it's pretty decently priced on there). Anyone know of anything better?
strange horizon
Yes, i know something better. Just plain code it in php, or even html + css and some css pre-compiler. No need for stupidly expensive software. Something like coffecup free more then suffices.
lost schooner
^
zealous plaza
^
proper saddle
^
pulsar shadow
It all depends on what you want to make, if you need a dynamic page with a backend Dreamweaver won't get you far
When it comes to software just get any good IDE
For example: VScode, atom, webstorm,...
little knoll
I definetly recommand Atom, it's free and have a lot of plugins !
whole quail
@carmine relic http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/string/string/substr/ is far easier to use if you just want to quickly use the function than http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/string/basic_string/substr
carmine relic
I prefer the cppreference page to the cplusplus page
whole quail
90% of the time I literally just want this https://i.imgur.com/h7l75zK.png
Not this https://i.imgur.com/TqaMeA7.png
the cplusplus one means I don't have to experiment with the code to actually use it, the cppreference one means I have to experiment with it to actually use it
cppreference gives me none of the information I want and all the information I don't want
And on top of that having a new line per function argument is just the worst thing to read
I normally just want to glance at the page and close it before it even finishes loading
It's a 50/50 whether I want to glance at it or actually read it
None of which I can do with cppreference
Since they don't explain for example, pos starts at 0
That's crucial to know
So I then have to experiment to use it if I go off cppreference
Since it gives the information in such an obtuse way
That it might as well not be there
autumn dune
Just stack overflow everything and hope :)
gritty rain
until, you're working in a really niche area, and no one has asked the question, or the question has no answers
stray canopy
This is the programming/coding chat?
I was surprised when I couldn't find a programming chat earlier
graceful silo
This is
stray canopy
Well, hello there fellow devs
timid widget
I feel so overwhelmed. Been writing Node JavaScript all day. Everyone's talking about C++.
proper gale
C++ it's hard until you know it
At which point reading others c++ becomes the challenge
small escarp
and that's when you realize C++ is never the right tool
the only tool at best, for some tasks...
lost schooner
I read the source code of some C++ libs and programs. My eyes bled.
They're still bleeding.
hybrid wolf
For web development, Python's doing some really great stuff
carmine relic
Python is slow though :^)
zealous plaza
Depends on how you write it e.e
You can get it to run moderately fast, but you wouldn't want to use it for something that required great speed..
lost schooner
Oh please, it's leagues faster than C. Everybody knows that. /s
I do have a serious question tho. Python is used for AI/ML, a lot. Why?
For something like that, wouldn't C/C++ be better? Or even Asm?
zealous plaza
Mainly because it's easier to work with, Plus, TensorFlow works really well with it.
Which can use GPU quite well
dreamy linden
@lost schooner Python is easy.
And is "fast enough" for experimenting.
And frameworks like Tensorflow are actually written in C/C++. You just define the model in Python.
zealous plaza
In fact most complex libraries are like that
just C derivative libraries with python bindings.
You get the speed and power of C, with the ease and simplicity of Python
night trench
golang is also really good for backends now
much much faster than nodejs and python
but its cpu usage is much higher which is a drawback but if thats not the problem for you then golang is the way to go
zealous plaza
Tho, there is less support for golang
night trench
well because its rather new, if you learn it now there will be many job oppurtunities in future, hence why im going to jump into it when I get time.
zealous plaza
Yeh
proper gale
@lost schooner are you trying to tell me that code interepreted by C code at runtime is faster than raw C code, such as what is running it?
if so, see the paradox you created and get back to me when you have infinite single threaded performance.
nvm, i did realize there was a /s
i usually sum a random character to a typo as you hit enter\
on a side note, dont look at boost, its painful.
carmine relic
@dreamy linden Tensorflow is written in Python, it's being translated to C/C++ 😛
in other news, bot design is hard
dreamy linden
@carmine relic Tensorflow is much like numpy.
It is written in C/C++ with a Python interface.
carmine relic
No, it's written in Python 😛
Trust me - it's written in Python, and they're expanding it into C/C++
https://www.tensorflow.org/api_docs/ If you look at this page, it says "The Python API is at present the most complete", implying that it is written primarily in Python, with implementations in other languages being a work in progress
dreamy linden
Check this out.
Yes. As you said. The Python API.
Don't forget the flow. You create a graph in Python and then execute it. It creates everythin up-front, in order to minimize the Python <> C (pre-compiled parts) "transitions", which are costly in terms of time.
carmine relic
Huh, TIL. I never knew that page existed 😛
Sorry for telling you that you were wrong I guess 🙃
dreamy linden
np
The point is that it is an awesome framework.
And Python is just a way to interface with it, so Python's performance shouldn't be taken into account (unless you're doing smth terribly wrong with your graph).
carmine relic
Yeah, Tensorflow is p. cool
Have you looked at Torch? It's sort-of the same thing as Tensorflow, but for Lua/LuaJIT
dreamy linden
I have no idea that it exists. Will look into it, though! ^_^
uneven lance
Tensorflow is confusing to me, but ive messed around with it a bit
dreamy linden
Yeah, it's a bit steep in the beginning.
uneven lance
also my GPU is horrible for ML
carmine relic
Honestly, I have no idea how AI stuff works. I have a close friend who does know though, so I rely on him a lot, haha~
dreamy linden
Nice.
proper gale
And iirc, there is fp16 support so I'll be able to get almost 28tf compute
lost schooner
I see, so that's why python is used. Thanks!
graceful silo
proper gale
its true
zealous plaza
Then once in a million cycles "Wow, that actually worked. HOWWW????"
carmine relic
tbh that's me in a nutshell
obtuse stump
Question from (somewhat) a past: What is the current go-to base for making irc bots?
obtuse stump
Don't really care about language, I can learn any language needed.
I imagine there are not that many good base projects, so cannot be picky.
carmine relic
Ah, you wanted like an example to start from
I misunderstood what you meant 😛
I really don't know, to be honest. I just use SmartIrc4Net and be done with it 😛
obtuse stump
Example or decent irc-library. Dont want to reinvent the wheel atm 😛
I have seen one built in javascript running on node.js
Might have to look it up then.
Although I really dont want to do it in javascript 😄
hmm, maybe there is a go library, would be a good way to learn new language
carmine relic
Yeah, which is why I said SmartIrc4Net 🤣
obtuse stump
😛
little knoll
Php or python have good libs that have been used for years.
obtuse stump
php is a no go, but python might be it then
little knoll
And learning python could be useful for others projects (like AI stuff which is trending since some time)
obtuse stump
I have used python a bit, but probably have forgotten the most of it. Except that I hated it for the whitespace management 😄
hmm, there is an irc library for rust as well, have been meaning to learn that for a while
might be a good opportunity to jump in
little knoll
I'm pretty sure that there is one for Ruby also.
proper gale
@zealous plaza higher with c++ because you do more verification, because debugging c++ is harder than, say, Java IMO.
zealous plaza
Yeh
Too much memory stuff for me e.e
I don't need performance or reliability, I just need shit to work
Thats mainly why I use python for personal stuff.
proper gale
syntax opinions aside, python is great with speed doesnt really matter
C++ is great when absolute performance matters.
zealous plaza
Yeh
proper gale
VM languages (Java, Kotlin, C#, etc) are great when you need internal speed, and crossplatform compatability.
but not C API speed
zealous lodge
Java can do about anything, really. Android apps, desktop apps, mods for Minecraft (if you dig that) and more.
proper gale
sorry, you cant beat C/C++ speed when using a C API.
do not talk about the abomination of code that is that game.
proper gale
i could go on a full on rant about its use of OpenGL 2.1
i have no problem with the game, its well, ^
or more specifically, immediate mode rendering
zealous plaza
LWGL e.e
proper gale
LWJGL is fine for many things, the slowest part is JNI
the largest problem with Minecraft is the number of JNI/OpenGL calls it makes per primitive
zealous plaza
Tho, It wasn't built with robustness in mind
zealous plaza
Minecraft.
proper gale
no, no it was not.
zealous plaza
Some indie game guy messing around
Then it just got 'improved' on, but the rendering was never properly fixed..
proper gale
no, no it was not.
and its almost imposible to add on higher OpenGL class rendering.
zealous plaza
Yeh, exactly
They got to the point where it wouldn't be worth re-doing the rendering
proper gale
i had to use a seperate thread, and even then it required a OpenGL 3.3 compatability capable driver (not Mesa)
obtuse stump
It's beyond repair if Microsoft doesnt want to render gazillion mods inoperable.
zealous plaza
Minecraft now is just a cesspit
java edition is okay
Everything else is just micro-transactions for kiddos
proper gale
changes on the scale of what would happen if they switched to OpenGL 3.3 core would be about the same as normal major version changes in forge.
obtuse stump
Dont have first hand knowledge, heard it from a friend who has made some mods.
He has mostly made audio mods though
proper gale
i have first hand knowlage of all three APIs
obtuse stump
mkay
proper gale
biggest difference would be the split in where data is passed
most interfaces would remain the same.
obtuse stump
Then my question is: Why dont they.
proper gale
just instead of just render there would be setup and render
because its a lot of work they dont want to do
and even OpenGL 3.3 core doesnt have the same hardware compatability as OpenGL 2.1
mostly with Intel HD
requires sandy or higher on linux and ivyor higher on windows
obtuse stump
That is indeed quite restrictive.
proper gale
with descrete cards the 8800GTX and newer support it
and the the Radeon HD 2000 series and newer does
those are both 10 years old now.
its the intel GPUs that is the problem
to ping jake about the channel topic or to not.
becauase it should be puts not print
beaucse C/C++ > Python
puts, printf, or std::cout if you are on C++ and using the IO libraries anyway (most project do).
proper gale
ok, Java is great and all, but no.
(may be slightly biased due to Java being my first language)
obtuse stump
or if you want to mess with everyone: console.log
proper gale
no, no, stop, no.
whole quail
@obtuse stump if you want an irc bot why not get dirty and make a library yourself
It's really not difficult at all
In fact I might make one while waiting for some batteries to charge
winged zodiac
Does anyone know of a way to integrate folding@home into a website? I want to have an option on the donation page on my site where people can fold for me.
proper gale
slowclaps
winged zodiac
This is my test site where I make things before implementing them into my main site what do you guys think of the donation page? (music may be changed) https://terrrrer.neocities.org/donation.html
proper saddle
Console.WriteLine
C#, Java does what Mart mentioned earlier. :v
System.out.println
I guess it's .Net in general.
.Net is a library/framework, it's mainly used for C#, but other things use it.
I'd recommend Javascript if you want to do web stuff, you don't really need a back-end. Third-party APIs can do that for you! 
tranquil girder
proper saddle
Yes, but you just need basic understanding of the tags
No, an element is a tag + the stuff in the tag. 
A is anchor it's for links.
Highly recommend W3Schools if you haven't checked it out yet. https://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp
It's basicly Wikipedia for web design/development.
That's the W3C, which is there the name of the site come from... I think.
I don't think W3Schools is affilated with the W3C. :/
Created in 1998, its name is derived from the World Wide Web, but is not affiliated with the W3C (World Wide Web Consortium).[
I absorb information like a sponge, if it's something I find interesting. :v
proper saddle
The only websites I have in "production" are just static HTML sites.
And there's verry little JS on them.
winged zodiac
It’s got tons of pages with music on every one
proper saddle
lemme sign in on github. xd
This is the worst example, because I did the CSS by hand. https://icebladenetwork.github.io/html-me-something/
winged zodiac
The pinnacle of the internet
proper saddle
.party
xd
proper saddle
It's the best! 
winged zodiac
Also the board list has some pages with music and some with weird secrets
Working on implementing steganography into a few pictures it
The bird game is my not found page which I wrote almost purely in css
Also if you are wondering what dildo sky is that was version 1 of the site
proper saddle
When I go to the illuminati page, Winwows Defender is claiming that it's a trojan.
winged zodiac
lemme check something
I had tested out a cryptominer as replacement for ads but forgot which pages I put it on
The site has over 100 html files
proper saddle
This is the overchan home page. :v https://builtwith.com/?https%3A%2F%2Fdark3n1ng.party%2Fsfw%2Findex.html
winged zodiac
omg yes
proper saddle
It already exsists, it's called noscript
proper saddle
Nope, still doing it.
winged zodiac
probably taking time to process
proper saddle
Needs to be removed on the /murder/index
winged zodiac
view-source:https://dark3n1ng.party/sfw/index.html
proper saddle
view-source:https://dark3n1ng.party/murder/index.html
winged zodiac
thanks
removed
everything should work now
if you find anything else please tell me
winged zodiac
Is it basically a specialized vps
proper saddle
If I link it, don't use an actually password, because I don't know how to do any security checks. :v
winged zodiac
gotta love when servers take a million years to process a request because you erased 80 lines
lost schooner
Well, instead of noscript, let's build something that uses up 100% of CPU so the miner can't run. :^)
proper saddle
xd
median flame
Anyones knows how to drag and drop files using PySide here?
proud lodge
Does anyone use jetbrains products here?
proud lodge
http://prntscr.com/higpi7 I created 2 for the 2 domains we have lol
So it will take like 2 days or so
proud lodge
the intellij idea is recommended by everone i know
autumn berry
you wanna do java?
autumn berry
well rip you I guess that's the one language they're good at
I used Gogland for a while
before vscode got a proper go plugin
autumn berry
I try to stay away from node
I was an early adopter in 2010
and I came to the conclusion the JS landscape is and will be fucked for a while
I made one too. https://github.com/damongant/shodan
just switched work over to using webpack and it took about half a week to get all the packages in various formats to load properly
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
autumn berry
reminds me of an old thing I have somewhere
proud lodge
well its a very big bot
proud lodge
yup
autumn berry
typescript tho
back when it was a pain to use because nobody shipped typings and npm didn't even have any
autumn berry
not for the stack I need
autumn berry
we use riot in production because when we made that choice react still had patent bullshit stuff
proud lodge
bootstrap
autumn berry
we have a bootstrap 4 migration branch
it's a lot of work
also I don't work on any of the CSS
but the stuff that's being worked on looks pretty rad
#paintitblack
we also recently shipped https://picarto.tv/js/description_panels/description_panels.tag
stray canopy
What do you guys use for web programming?
vestal glen
a computer? An editor I like? HTML/JS/CSS because that's the stack? A browser with devtools I like and all other browsers for compat checking?
vestal glen
still, IDE, build tools, debugging tools, test harness? All of them?
stray canopy
Yes, if you'd like, that falls within software.
proper gale
I'ma recommends Jetbrains IDEs regardless of language.
stray canopy
Justify?
proper gale
Well, specifically for web programing languages
For all I know you need phpstorm
If you are doing c++ that's a different story
But from my experience, the I idea platform works the best for me.
stray canopy
I code a bit of everything actually
proper gale
So I recommend it.
carmine relic
jetbrains 🤢
stray canopy
I've got PHP Storm installed, I haven't had a use for it since installing it yet.
proper gale
If it doesn't for you, don't use it. Such as this dickbag (finite).
carmine relic
OUCH
proper gale
Nothing web so.....
Most of my stuff is related to C APIs
So, OpenGL, OpenCL, Vulkan, Tensorflow (it's written in c/c++), GLFW
Etc
stray canopy
Can honestly say I've not had any experience with that stuff
carmine relic
I've had a small amount of experience with everything in that list other than tensorflow
and vulkan, actually
derp
autumn berry
oh god someone recommends jetbrains
carmine relic
I have a basic idea of how it appears to work, yes
proper gale
Problem? (Gant)
autumn berry
I really don't like how heavy they are.
proper gale
I have a 1700x to take care of that.
carmine relic
It's rendering a triangle using a VBO, and using a shader to colour it... red?
autumn berry
They get my battery life down to 1/3 even with power savings mode
proper gale
Oh, laptop.
carmine relic
I have no idea, I don't see any cheating there 😛
stray canopy
You wrote it while banging your wife's best friend?
carmine relic
LMFAO
proper gale
That justifiable.
proper gale
No, I don't unibind the vertex array object or program
stray canopy
Code?
autumn berry
but then again I do Go and I did use Gogland while it was in EAP
carmine relic
oh
proper gale
Code:: blocks
autumn berry
Visual Studio Code
carmine relic
but you delete them? 🤔
proper gale
Oh, that code.
carmine relic
I use VS Code too 😄
autumn berry
yeah, it got a great Go plugin
proper gale
Yes I do.
carmine relic
VS Code for C#, and KDevelop for C/C++
autumn berry
Oho a KDevelop user
stray canopy
I use VS, wtf is VS Code?
proper gale
Thing about the cheat is that if I render l rendered anything else, it would fuck it up.
autumn berry
it's nothing like VS
stray canopy
I just googled
proper gale
So I would need to unbind
stray canopy
You are right.
carmine relic
oh i see now
since you're only rendering one thing you don't need to unbind them to switch to render something else
yeah, i see now
proper gale
Correct, but that never happens except for here
carmine relic
I don't really do raw opengl that often, which is why I'm not as familiar with it 😛
autumn berry
anyway this is what code looks like https://i.imgur.com/KvMgLdV.png
proper gale
Still have not drawn a triangle with vulkan.
stray canopy
Thanks for reminding me to install VirtualBox
autumn berry
p r o p r i e t a r y
proper gale
That's hyper-v
autumn berry
I wanted to use hyperv, but it's not really great for running a DE
proper gale
DE?
proper gale
Oh
autumn berry
the mouse is extremely laggy on hyperv
proper gale
In my experience is fine.
autumn berry
it really is more meant for server virt
stray canopy
I haven't had issues with Hyper-V either?
proper gale
You have a decent GPU?
proper gale
What os?
autumn berry
idk
autumn berry
I might hop back on Ubuntu with the next LTS
who knows
I have some very specific debian hacks in my dotfiles/bootstrap tho
proper gale
Hmm.
autumn berry
proper gale
MinGW takes sooooooooo long to link...
1 minute to compile a single simple .cpp and link......
carmine relic
This is why I use linux and cross-compile to windows :^)
proper gale
yea, i want to install linux but, alas, im on a optimus laptop.
believe me, i run linux on my desktops (and windows)
normally
just switched drives around a lot so neither have linux ATM, but i have a drive for linux in one, and the other needs a drive for it.
stray canopy
I just use Linux in VMs
proper gale
im using a nice 10GB of memory and only have 16 soooooo, not exactly an option for me.
and, i need Vulkan/OpenGL support...
sooo, easier said than done.
obtuse stump
It's quite annoying that hyper-v and virtualbox cannot be used together.
I would use hyper-v for some stuff, but I have to use vagrant+virtualbox, so I cannot use hyper-v
graceful silo
I've always had issues with VirtualBox not working right with my computer. Hyper-V seems to work perfectly though
proper gale
for the most part, i just use a dedicated ESXI box
rarely do i do any virtualzation on my main computers anymore.
and ive got a new esxi box in the other room, YEET!
adding a 3770k to my e5640
proper gale
not sure how much ram i should throw in it though
i could put 32 in there, but the largest set i have is 16GB
median flame
Anyone familiar with pyside?
proper gale
ewww, qt
median flame
Yup eww
proper gale
havent used qt so append a/s to that.
vestal ravine
Hi 😃
proper gale
return;
proper gale
bool cares(Emotion::Contition contition){
return false;
}```error, Emotion::Condition does not have a constructor with const char* as argument
proper gale
no, i just see that wayyyy to often from GCC
vestal ravine
I'm not doing games that mutch, don't have enough time sadly
😦
I did experiment with DirectX
|-_-|
proper gale
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
vestal ravine
lol
vestal ravine
If i'm building game, I am mainly using 2D rendering
proper gale
oh wait, Vulkan already threw it in one.
vestal ravine
lol
proper gale
look at ROTR,
ITS A MICROSOFT (affiliated) TITLE AND ITS DX12 IS SHIT! botcase botcase
proper gale
then there is DOOM and Wolfenstein 2, both with amazing Vulkan ports.
vestal ravine
And i'm working for a MS silver partner atm, i'm saving my company from going in Azure hell.
😃
proper gale
cant wait to see what idtech 7 does for Vulkan
proper gale
but thats competing with Vulkan 3
vestal ravine
That directX 15 will beat lol
proper gale
Vk4
vestal ravine
DX 16
proper gale
VkNext
vestal ravine
Azure Next Accelered Cloud Graphics API U_U
proper gale
stop
vestal ravine
the word "Azure" is painfull indeed
proper gale
actual opinion, not trolling.
vestal ravine
yeah
I'm not that into graphics libraries
I person gotta specialize 😛
So can't give a technical opion about tjhat
proper gale
no, Vk > Dx12 and GL > Dx11- is my actual opinion.
proper gale
cant compare them
besides that Vk == GL5 so technically if we use that, then the competing versions GL always wins.
vestal ravine
Me to
proper gale
so Vulkan and OpenGL get my money over D3D
vestal ravine
I personally hate Java 😛
carmine relic
rEEEE
vestal wave
gonna put my input on this: basically put i always had a better experience with OpenGL and Vulkan
carmine relic
sorry, you told me to 😛
vestal ravine
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
proper gale
the JVM and its ideals (same as teh CLR) is fine
carmine relic
C# is bae
proper gale
when it comes to the language, im not going to get into anything.
vestal wave
DirectX tends to be rather glitchy with it's earlier versions and DirectX also crashes more often than i'd like
proper gale
because Kotlin is better IMO.
vestal wave
i am not a developer but when it comes to playing games Vulkan and OpenGL always worked better for me
proper gale
thats basically what carmack said about D3D 20 years ago
when he decided to use OpenGL, which idtech has sense stayed on.
also, it idtech not IDtech, the company name is lower case.
vestal wave
hell try playing the evil within for PC (which is a rather shitty port of the game IMO)
vestal ravine
I mainly use C# due to the company I work for'
proper gale
it is
vestal wave
it uses IDTech 5 (or whatever Wolfenstein the New Order uses) and the dev's for some reason wanted to use DirectX instead of OpenGL
the result: it crashes a lot and the performance is poor
proper gale
just like how its bethesda softworks, bethsoft, bethesda game studios, etc.
vestal ravine
I rarely game on PC anymore
proper gale
but its the creation engine.
vestal ravine
Creation Engine is cool 😄
proper gale
idtech is the name of the engine
carmine relic
i thought you were talking about the company 🙃
proper gale
the id in it is the same as the company though, which is id software
its the same engine as Wizard 101
no, i am not joking.
vestal ravine
lol
carmine relic
lmao
cheap crappy online multiplayer game uses same engine as AAA single-player FPS
proper gale
red, Doom uses some Dx but its graphics are OpenGL/Vulkan based.
sooooo, not sure.
The Creation Engine is a 3D video game engine created by Bethesda Game Studios based on the Gamebryo engine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_Engine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamebryo#Games
Wizard101 2008 Windows, Mac OS X KingsIsle Entertainment KingsIsle Entertainment
Civilization IV 2005 Windows, Mac OS X Firaxis Games 2K Games Aspyr[5]
Fallout 3[6] 2008 Windows, Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 Bethesda Game Studios Bethesda Softworks Fallout: New Vegas 2010 Windows, Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 Obsidian Entertainment Bethesda Softworks
i was not joking
its actually the same engine
vestal ravine
Fallotu 4 was a letdown 😦
proper gale
not talking about the game
only the engine.
huh, there is no weeb channel.
damn it.
@.jakkuh i need my weeb channel
vestal ravine
lol
vestal ravine
@last ingot MrMeTech I had that with AC Origins when that child died, I was making me sad 😦
Thinking of making an 2D MMO
I got 16 GB RAM left on my Dedicated server to support it
But still looking for peepz to design gameplay with, and write the quests
proper gale
ewww 2d
vestal ravine
2D Masterrace 😡
proper gale
you may be the masters, but we are the gods.
vestal ravine
3D is only cool with big budgets 😛
rocky hamlet
you can do 3D on small budget now
and it still uses 2D movement, just on different planes
lost schooner
proper gale
eww, console, eww.
vestal ravine
I got a game PC (i7 5820k, gtx 1080)/Xbox one X/PS4 Pro/Switch
proper gale
ewww, consoles, ewwwwwwww
vestal ravine
Fanboyism is coming of you 😛
proper gale
/s
i dont have any consoles, but i know why people like the little shit boxes.
there are only two games i would play on a console.
Ratchet and Clank, and Zelda
vestal ravine
Don't forget RDR 😡
proper gale
but they are not on the same platform, REEEE
vestal ravine
Red Dead Redemption
proper gale
nah, not for me.
vestal ravine
horizon zero dawn
proper gale
only concerned with R&C and Zelda
vestal ravine
lol
proper gale
proably going to borrow my friend PS4 and another friends Switch to play them.
even though i have played half of BotW on CEMU, may just get my brother to pull it off the backup.
vestal ravine
As of Xbox one X still haven't got a smaller, same price piece of hardware with the same specs
proper gale
i mean, you can half the core count to two and just get higher clock speed (IE: g3258)
as for the GPU, microsoft actually did good there.
proper gale
(didnt even realize that 8/2 = 2)
vestal ravine
As value they would real high on linus his chart 😛
proper gale
you mean how they perform?
proper gale
im talking about a more technical explanation of why 8 jag cores roughly equals 2 haswell cores at double the clock.
vestal ravine
I'm talking about performance as in FPS and visual quality
proper gale
i realise that.
vestal ravine
since i dont render movies or programming on the machines
so for consoles i only care about that
Not about GHz and such
I care on a PC about that, but not on a console
proper gale
it matters on a console aswell
vestal ravine
Yeah ofcourse for programmers
proper gale
me
vestal ravine
But I would not care as a gamer on that device
about that
Yeah ofcouse my 5820k and 1080 are more powerfull
proper gale
By a lot
graceful silo
ooo neat
obtuse stump
Oh, they still have that CPU-hog signin/signup page 😛
Let it run on your laptop and check CPU temperatures 😛
warm pebble
id rather not
rocky hamlet
spend 3 hours teaching young padawans how to make VR swords to collide with stuff, they quit out of frustration
graceful silo
rip
rocky hamlet
spent another hour earlier showing one how to do conditional animation switching for character, he undid everything in 15 minutes because he had better idea
proper gale
Your profile pic represents that perfectly
proper gale
proper gale
take an ASM course
three easy steps and you are done.
buy knife, buy sniper scope, attach scope to kinfe.
see above picture
the truth in it though.
C like languages are not that hard
hell, the hardest part of C/C++ is manual memory managment.
i am knowledge
Says someone who is knowledge
i am knowledge
ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT!? botcase botcase botcase
that, is a meme.
winged zodiac
proper saddle
pulsar shadow
!= 
autumn dune
^ rip
i have a python programming test in a few hours, so can somebody refresh over some pseudoco~ cough python for me :)
fallow zephyr
I've been doing programming in college and I've never known what Visio was till now
is it basically a poor man's adobe illustrator?
fallow zephyr
Ohh
Well I have had to do plenty of diagrams before (ER diagrams and the like), but I just did them in photoshop or paint if I was really lazy :V
crystal skiff
Heh, it would be easier with Visio or, for free and available in browser, https://www.draw.io
whole quail
lol I think the idea of learning C/C++ and pointers at this point is more difficult than actually learning them
It's actually one of the simplest things
The only hard part is realising that * does 2 different things
int poop = 10; // Okay
int *poopy = &poop; // poopy holds the memory location of poop (aka points to poop)
int poopie = *poopy; // use poopy (holds the memory location of poop) to get the value from poop and store it in poopie
std::cout << poopie << std::endl; // Prints 10
Once you realise that * means 2 different things it's so easy
When creating variable it means the variable will be a pointer
When using it on an existing variable it means you want the value it points too
So there's some help for anyone who is struggling with pointers, not because they're hard but only because people call it hard
wooden ravine
Png or JPEG for websites
obtuse stump
png for screenshots (or alike), jpeg for photos (or alike)
vestal glen
svg for icons (or alike)
copper rivet
Hey, if anyone is well versed in Android development, and don't mind working with somewhat of a noob, please message me. I would love someone to bounce my ideas and questions off of
proper gale
@whole quail no not pointers, actually managing the memory.
Malloc/free new/delete
So, basically, segfaults
whole quail
@proper gale Anyone who's doing low level stuff should already know how to do it so it isn't a problem
And anyone who doesn't know how memory management works shouldn't be dealing with it
Especially since it changes depending on the platform
Speaking of which, anyone here deal with signing drivers before?
So annoying
Gonna cost so much
winged zodiac
https://dark3n1ng.party/ My site is a combination of my many years and styles of coding. currently working on a music player to play music that is used throughout the site https://dark3n1ng.party/music.html I am working on a donation page with an optional js miner also so that others can mine me monero instead of donating straight money!
random flume
@winged zodiac can't reach that address
winged zodiac
Really?
open trench
I know someone who codes in java and I’m just like mind = blown
untold flame
Java is great not in denial
proper saddle
I prefer C#™, because I'm an M$™ McShill™. :V
I did a free coding bootcamp, and had an option between Java and C# for the final unit and picked C#.
open trench
I ain’t the best coder out there I just know some of the basics
proper saddle
I just bought an Angular course. 
There's only 2 hours left for a Udemy sale. https://www.udemy.com/
open trench
Awesome
proper saddle
Node.Js versions get outdated really quickly.
idle cave
lost schooner
Has anyone here used PyQt5 before?
trim ivy
Never used pycute
lost schooner
It's not cute. I'm getting a segfault. And I have no idea why.
lost schooner
Oh I had no idea. I also pronounce it as cutie.
And my words still stand. It's not in any way cute ;-;
carmine relic
C# superior
Java inferior
proper saddle
And I can prove it!
Name a game that was made in Java and wasn't made by Notch.
vestal glen
<insert any game made for a university project that wasn't built to run on a console>
vestal glen
and all the 10 games we used to play on Symbian UIQ3 phones that were java mobile edition.
trim ivy
Runs on everything 😛
proper saddle
This had a version that ran in Java https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemony_Snicket's_A_Series_of_Unfortunate_Events_(video_game)
@vestal glen Pretty sure Narbacular Drop used C++ :V
trim ivy
I'll learn C next year thanks to an university in Finland
They said they allowed me to learn it via their course.
proud lodge
I got an ssl on my host, how long does it takes for it to update
so i can actually use https
oh it verified
👏
trim ivy
You can use let's encrypt instantly
trim ivy
free
proper saddle
Where can I get one for free? o:
proper saddle
I'll look into that when I actually deploy something. :V
trim ivy
My VPS has it too
I set it up myself
Via Digital Ocean
Every month I need to pay
for my VPS
about 7$
proper saddle
I signed up for AWS free teir, but too lazy to set anything up. :V
valid forge
I have cheap webhosting if anyone needs something decent for dirt cheap.
I don't think dirt is even that cheap haha.
But whatever dirt costs, it's cheaper than that.
carmine relic
zzzzz