#cars
indigo coral
tame jungle
That looks like a Range Rover @turbid onyx
With the logo
Unless they changed the steering wheel
@indigo coral GV80 is gonna be awesome
tame jungle
Eh for Sedans I like the new ones that Mercedes has come out with.
They seem nice
Especially the AMG GT 4 Door
That's beautiful
indigo coral
tame jungle
indigo coral
indigo coral
GS-F
stoic ledge
tame jungle
How much?
tame jungle
I've always hated the Lexus Interiors
Except the LC
The LC is beautiful
The steering wheel logos are so huge
And I don't get the clock
Doesn't the logo seem a bit big
This seems like a good size
Also 2018 has that trackpad 😐
so
yeah
indigo coral
Mercedes interiors are just tacky in general
tame jungle
The cool thing is that you can choose where in the car you can activate the lighting.
This person who took the photo just turned it up on all parts
fathom socket
i like the non new s class interior
new ones just too minimalistic for a luxury car for me
also i dont get the steering wheel
i mean i dont get the change
civic girder
Idk if I've ever seen her run this well. Functional ignition and a proper tune is 👌
fathom socket
deus ex got this whole speed limit thing on point
dense shard
Here's a fun one.
FCA might be recalling Jeeps and other cars with the 2.4 over emissions issues.
indigo coral
Oooof
carmine summit
That's not too surprising, dodge doesn't have the cleanest track record when it comes to emissions
civic girder
I see what you did there
dense shard
usually it's been diesel engines that get the boot.
Petrol is a new one to my understanding'
devout atlas
Talking about merc iteriors
yeah, new merc interiors are clearly geared towards Dubai Dude-bros
devout atlas
L0L1
median egret
Fυck
wild tiger
cops love miatas
wild tiger
How a explorer beats a miata
crisp cedar
fathom socket
because it was supposed to save the british car industry
or at least it was supposed to show off what they could do
and then it came out and it was just kinda naff
and the european models it was designed to compete with were alot better
well
Immagine FSO polonez
yugo was better than this
because its a fucking allegro
thats why
It looks like a luxury car
compared to this
Is that a talbot
or something
FSO polonez Brorewicz
I mean isn't that just a polish fiat
pretty sure FSO made licensed fiat cars
Oh yeah, now I see why that car looks familiar
It had a racing prototype called the 2500 Racing
FSO wasn't a licensed car
FSM build licensed cars
but Giorgio Giugiaro designed this car
Look up FSO Polski 125p
that's also the car this was based on
no wait
FSM build the 126p
and yeah
I have someone with FSO 125p under my home
I mean they are the same companies
and also
arent they
FSO MATIZ
FSM was what the collobration was called
between FSO and Fiat
I just looked it up
That's a pretty nice interior
Compared to the Allegro
it's fiat like
but even more fucked up
Hmm yes square steering wheel
civic spoke
But what about the old Citroen?
fathom socket
the 2CV?
sucks peepee
But the SM is a thing of beauty
I think people don't know the propper term
I love the SM
Squircle
Circare
See how beautfiul this car is
fathom socket
Yea citroen used to do some funky stuff with their designs back in the day
citroen bx
I really like that car
The same went for peugeot too
when I was a kid
With their jet fighter flaming advertisements
I always thought this car looked futuristic
The BX looks like a renault
tbh
civic spoke
We used to own one of these.
fathom socket
the interior looks really cool
fathom socket
Fiat's interior from the 90s
tempra?
yea
I think some Tipo's also had it
I've seen one
but it didn't work
Well yes its Italian
it was just xmas lights
civic spoke
🤢
civic spoke
The Tesla's have terrible interiors.
Change my mind.
fathom socket
Every single one of them look the same
and not appealing at all
Cool
I would rather make my own interior out of wood
ionic berry
civic spoke
Ahh, yes. The terribly impractical doors.
fathom socket
I'd rather you stand next to model 3 or a model S @fathom socket
civic spoke
That did a lot of breaking.
civic spoke
The Model S is their best looking in their line.
fathom socket
my father actually owned a first gen fiat tipo with diesel engine
old fiat diesels were terrible
idk what happened to it
civic spoke
@fathom socket If you say so.
fathom socket
They always break
but wi had audi 80
audis are cool
We had the Fiat diesels built by the licensed turkish manufactuarer
Tofaş
with diesel engine
It was a total flop
but the connecting rod broke off
It cost a lot more than the Gasoline variant
and too unreliable
electric cars are expensive to buy
Known for warping heads
and expensive to charge
spun bearings
bad fuel system
in poland they are just to flex
electric motorcycles
they are cheap
and good enough for the city
@median egret Pervert.
civic spoke
@fathom socket I would argue that charging an electric is more affordable compared to ICE.
fathom socket
my inneficient LPG car costs cheaper per KM than a tesla
I don't have any chargers in my city
median egret
@fathom socket this fr u haha give me an electric W201
civic spoke
True. But you have to live around LPG stations, and have a car that runs on it.
civic spoke
Electric would be the way to go for me. If I just had a place to charge it.
fathom socket
but I would still need to have gasoline car for long trips
median egret
oh
civic spoke
Fun fact. @fathom socket We can technically report you for impersonating someone.
median egret
we don't give free stuff to people violet
@fathom socket how much for an electric chassis based on a Tesla Model S P100D that could fit under a W201 (slim car)
XD
yesh
repor
fathom socket
30k$ is still expensive for me
median egret
violet you can find it on our website
@fathom socket lmao no
civic spoke
If you are actually Elon Musk. Then tweet "LTT Discord is where it's at". You have 3 minutes.
fathom socket
also
median egret
you don't make custom chassis
fathom socket
@fathom socket you are one number away from 666
median egret
If you are actually Elon Musk. Then tweet "LTT Discord is where it's at". You have 3 minutes.
@civic spoke my Twitter is broken
To prove that you're actually Elon Musk
No because I can find one too
civic spoke
The current Ford GT is actually 👌
fathom socket
I actually wanna to modify my ford to be a plugin hybrid
but the issue is
how the hell I'm gonna to attach the motor to read wheels
civic spoke
It depends on what kind of a hybrid you want.
With a mild hybrid, then you'd just stick it straight on the crank.
fathom socket
so I can just drive just with electricity in the city
fathom socket
how about you buy a prius drivetrain and spend 2 years how to integrate everything from the prius to the ford
civic spoke
Veesix?
flint sable
flint sable
civic spoke
Oh. I get it now.
fathom socket
It's an ecoboost engine
flint sable
Yeah mocking people that shit on it because two less cylinders lol
civic spoke
Eh. I'm not too bothered by that. It's biggest isn't isn't lack of power or anything.
fathom socket
Well the new GT is much more European than the newer but old GT
civic spoke
For daily-ish use, it's apparently its lacking fuel capacity.
civic spoke
Farah did a real fast run with the Ford GT.
fathom socket
If I remember right the first concept cars were based on the Lola Mk.6
I would have to replace the multi link suspention to solid axle
civic spoke
fathom socket
or I make my own car
Speaking of Farah
his million mile lexus
I wonder if my ford can survive 500k KM
fathom socket
That car goes everywhere
civic spoke
It doesn't go much of anywhere these days. Not since it hit a million miles.
fathom socket
That's the SC300
the twin turbo
Oh yes
Tavarish did buy it
I just saw it
wtf how come I never heard of it
probably because he hasn't made another video about it
civic spoke
Farah basically gave the LS400 to Tavarish.
fathom socket
well the guy already has too many project cars
I think it'll take a while before he does anything to it
this is like the stickbug equivalent of cars
devout atlas
try being less anti-consumer
and stop removing supercharging abilities from salvage cars
smh
flint sable
Fix paint issues and panel gaps while your at it
And stop charging like 5000$ for a color other than silver white or black
flint sable
Pretty sure the panel gaps were fixed
But I don’t think the paint issue did
Not the cost
How it wears off
fathom socket
well sounds like not enough paint coats to me
also can someone tell me the difference between the model y and model x
fathom socket
cuz the model y and model x look exactly the same to me
apart from the grill
then why did you call it the model y
why not model x lite or some shite
also ew crossover suvs
more like a hatchback that handles like an suv
devout atlas
that booth babe be lookin like mario
devout atlas
m a l a i s e e r a
dense shard
Or the OG Mercedes A-class
stoic ledge
OG A-class got mandatory ESP to fix that
stoic ledge
CMP Punto when
S.a.d.
Too long for the segments that hot imho
Also 500 5d is probably the next Punto with a different nameplate no?
Corsa was developed within 2 years
So Opel did in in roughly half the time
Well concept was probably there, but everything had to be done from start again from mid or late 2017
It was in the dealerships late 2019
So start-finish in 2 years
Opel had a brand new Corsa 95% ready on a GM platform
They started again after the acquisition
Also "just a rebody" ... Then everything is a rebody when using the CMP platform
Ofc, I get that
Still, imho, they needed new models for that like yesterday
Panda My21
Ah no complete redesign?
Sad
Wait there was a Panda Hydrogen once?
Fiat Mini plafform, 2003-present 👀 That's long
Oof
Should've put that in to production
fathom socket
i hope those fiat 500s are practising social distancing
dense shard
Right now half the auto industry is oofing very hard.
Not as hard as FCA, GM, and Ford tho.
Fiat saved Chrysler, the last 5 years Chrysler's RAM/Jeep divisions have made up the bulk of FCA profits.
Now... I still don't get the PSA merger tbh.
It's a euro heavy company that's light on China and meh on the US.
Ironically... FCA's car line up next year will be stronger in the US than GM and Ford... maybe even combined.
dense shard
I honestly feel... FCA merged to have PSA save them 5 years down the line.
errr... have PSA save FCA 5 years later... not unlike Chrysler saved Fiat... or AMC sort of saved Chrysler.
stoic ledge
Well is the merger complete now? Haven't followed it that close lately
Or complete... Confirmed for some day
dense shard
no clue.
stoic ledge
stoic ledge
Access to 21st century platforms
stoic ledge
Peugeot has, and so does DS
dense shard
Cause I know GM and VW have a good sized presence in China... and maybe Toyota.
stoic ledge
DS is a bling bling brand which Chinese like, even with special Chinese models (DS 9 for example)
Although they also announced the DS 9 for Europe. Possibly
Ah excludes imported models
Lol even 1 domestic factory as well
Nice
2nd factory isn't important apparently
carmine summit
why am I like this
I need to save money, but I just sent someone a message about the 3 MK4 Jettas they have for sale
one runs, one comes with all the parts needed to fix it, one is a parts car with no info about it, plus there's an extra engine
fair bronze
@civic girder 😎
civic girder
😂
I have an RX-7 club of America key chain actually
Previous owner gave it to me
And that shitty key on the right is what I got with it
Have since upgraded to a new key and that one is my spare
flint sable
^got a titanium Nissan Z key with our 300ZX
civic girder
Two can play that game
dense shard
my car is too dirty for that
prime scroll
is it just me, or am i seeing slightly more mx-5's and saab's on the roads? it's more the mx-5, but they dun have pop-up headlights
indigo coral
bruh i've been seeing a ton of Saabs too
prime scroll
some 9-3, 9-5 estate?
indigo coral
Lots of 9-5 sedans
prime scroll
yesterday I saw a 9-3 aero, looked 
devout atlas
I hope that the number of german sedans with particularly bad grilles decreases
ahem
prime scroll
bayernische
motoren
werken
yup
misty drift
yup
indigo coral
LOL
stoic ledge
Don't think that's correct German tho 
Der Motor funktioniert nicht is what it should be I think
elder pewter
I 99% guarantee that ur not the real elon
elder pewter
Prove it
small aspen
Well @fathom socket I do not believe you find a way to prove that you are the real person and then show it till then you are just a normal person that tries to immitate a famous person
fossil imp
elder pewter
I mean do u really think elon has the time do be on discord where we rant about him
And yes i know its not him
I just like to play along its fun for me
small aspen
No but I like to see if he'd break a sweat trying to verify himself
median egret
Report to the mods?
<@&375453001902718976> Hey there,
Seems we got some person impersonating Elon Musk, and being unable to verify their identity.
elder pewter
@small aspen fyi ru the person in the profile pic just curious
small aspen
No it's kinda a meme
elder pewter
Do u know who it is
small aspen
Noop it's just a random picture I got from the I internet
small aspen
Lol
elder pewter
And embarrassment
small aspen
But I gotta go and we should talk about this in #off-topic
elder pewter
K bye
small aspen
Lon does not have time for anything
tight cypress
yes sure
devout atlas
that car looks like a generic bot-sketch of what a 'sportscar' looks like
strong plume
elon doesn't have to prove himself
@fathom socket probably should tho
elder pewter
I agree
wheat hatch
Impostors, begone!
strong plume
your proof of authenticity is about as good as Teslas quality control
devout atlas
I too am a fan on Anti-consumer practices
median egret
it's a jaaaag
strong plume
bonnet scoop is for the subaru
stoic ledge
It's funny 'cause it's true
fierce rover
how could tesla be improved
fierce rover
hmm i think about not being the fucking apple of cars
stoic ledge
I'm thinking about not shortening warranty, at least some sort of quality control, no random disappearing options which have been bought by the owner, and while we're at it: a proper designer so it doesn't look like a fish, and some physical buttons in the interior
fathom socket
The only way to improve Tesla is to remove the lithium ion batteries
I can't wait for lithium ceramic batteries
median egret
lmao no
civic spoke
Probably.
Going to replace the alternator and battery.
Battery is due to be changed either way.
Doesn't help when it's being cooked.
small aspen
That's..... Wow
civic spoke
@flint sable Takes a seat in the car. Rubs bumpers.
flint sable
Oooh
dense shard
elon doesn't have to prove himself
stoic ledge
dense shard
MK covered the points I have.
LC500 convertible tho. Finally a nice Lexus convertible.
best way to sell the cybertruck to Texans is build it in Texas.
stoic ledge
LC500 convertible tho. Finally a nice Lexus convertible.
I'd totally get one if I could afford one
Sad it's €170k here 
dense shard
Paint quality... it'll be fucking funny if the new Berlin factory QC is just as bad.
I still think the China QC being better than the US built Model 3 is pretty damn funny.
stoic ledge
They'll have to hire some bad German employees if they want such build quality... Or it must be people who had to leave VW/Opel/Mercedes/Porsche/BMW
dense shard
I mean... what German working for a car maker will want to change over?
stoic ledge
Only if they've been sacked
dense shard
Also speaking of hate.
Apparently E-Tron and EQS or whatever is outselling Tesla in Norway.
dense shard
Last month I imagine?
Probably doesn't mean anything though.
I imagine a lot of Tesla fans in Norway are waiting for the Model Y..
stoic ledge
Model Y doesn't appear to be that hot here on the forums
dense shard
oh? interesting.
Makes sense I guess. How much hype is Tesla fans and how much hype is consumer hype.
stoic ledge
E-Tron: 174 units
EQC: 53 units
Entire Tesla: 36 units
That's july 2020 in 🇳🇱
Main thing is, Model Y is more expensive then the Model 3, and that's already at the limit for tax incentives
median egret
E tron is dope but I wouldn't ever choose it
stoic ledge
Best selling EV so far this year is actually the E-Niro
median egret
Model 3 will be under 7k in 5-10 years I reckon @stoic ledge
I hate E niro
Tesla has an ikea style interior
i hate it
stoic ledge
I'd never buy a VAG product 
But I appreciate that the E-Tron looks like a regular Audi
I hate E niro
@median egret it's better than the Tesla
Model 3 will be under 7k in 5-10 years I reckon @stoic ledge
@median egret probably, especially with the 30k "sold" last year
Inb4 all exported as well, just like all PHEVs
cyan stratus
Until the range is improved quite a bit an EV just can't be something I personally consider
~600 miles one way between the two offices I work out of
stoic ledge
Oof 600 mile one trip is quite a lot lol
cyan stratus
Yeah, I also don't know if I could ever get the same "thrill" out of driving an EV
I get that they can be absurdly fast which is thrilling in it's own right, but the lack of audible feedback (aside from wind) relative to speed you're going/the load on the car just doesn't really do it for me
static plank
cyan stratus
bad as I know it is for the environment, I just love burning gasoline
static plank
Oh my generator burns a lot of gasoline
cyan stratus
i'd ask if it burns gallons to the mile like a high performance car, but it doesn't move, so it technically does in a sense
lol
static plank
civic spoke
Ugh. I forgot which model alternator that my car uses. I think that there might be two different ones?
That's at least what I remember from changing the voltage regulator.
I guess that I'll just have to tear into the car to figure out what alternator it's using.
cyan stratus
usually it's a pretty clear plug or case size difference when there are variations, but not always
what kind of car?
cyan stratus
BMW is annoying like that, they use BOSCH and somebody else across their ranges
never been able to figure out which submodels get which, just seems like they throw darts at a board
🧀 broken
dense shard
To be totally fair.
There aren't a lot of cars that can do 600 miles on a tank of gas.
stoic ledge
I know many cars that can do 600 miles on a tank of diesel tho
dense shard
So at that point the EV thing isn't range, but rather how fast it can be charged.
Diesel is a rarity in the US.
moreso after VW's fiasco.
stoic ledge
VW
dense shard
And in most places in the US... diesel fuel is more expensive.
And then there's the price premium you pay on the diesel engine option.
stoic ledge
My brothers Volvo has a 62L tank and can easily do 20km/l, that's 1200+km of range
(1000km = 620 miles as you know)
dense shard
Once again. That's more of an exception.
dense shard
There are cars that can do it, sure.
civic spoke
I think my car has 63 liters.
dense shard
Then again... it's not really a relevant point considering the average car can be fueled up in 5 minutes.
civic spoke
I can just about do 800 km's. Average consumptioni of around 7.5 L/100 km.
stoic ledge
True
dense shard
My car can hold maybe 50 liters.
stoic ledge
I can do roughly 600 miles with both tanks filled up
dense shard
And at 80 miles an hour... the fuel economy drops sharply.
stoic ledge
Or even more probably
And at 80 miles an hour... the fuel economy drops sharply.
Very true
I can do roughly 600 miles with both tanks filled up
I only use one tho, so that's ±250 miles
dense shard
Went from 35 mpg to 28.
civic spoke
Your ideal speed is like 80 kmh.
stoic ledge
OOF the Corsa has a theoretical range of nearly 700 miles
But that would be filling up both tanks to the brim and using every ml of fuel
stoic ledge
dense shard
~750 kms for me. So about 475 miles on a tank of gas... given I hit that rated fuel economy.
stoic ledge
Top Gear did a 1200km challenge once 
(the good Top Gear)
I've never ever ever ever gotten close to the rated fuel economy
civic spoke
Computer in the truck says that it does 27 L/100 km
dense shard
I regularly surpass it.... provided I keep the speeds sane.
Unfortunately that means ~65 mph or less.
civic girder
If I did only highway, the RX-7 might do 300 miles on a tank
Typically I only can go about 200 when combined with city
The Prius can easily do like 500miles on a tank, regardless of how much city and/or highway
fathom socket
oh yeah that one
stoic ledge
And if he didn't trash it with heated seats, windows etc, and flooring it, Jeremy probably would have won
fathom socket
i was thinking the bmw london to edin to london one lol
now i have to rewatch that one
civic girder
The RX-7 has a 16.8 gallon tank. Prius is 12 gallons
civic spoke
I want to do 900 km's in my car.
stoic ledge
do it
civic spoke
I want to get a small tank of fuel before I try.
And probably change out the alternator and stuff xD
stoic ledge
Haha yes probably
fathom socket
aha i have returned
stoic ledge
fathom socket
the absolut sensorism
stoic ledge
Yes
Been there
Done that
What triggered it, repetitive characters or too long of a word?
fathom socket
repetitive
stoic ledge
Ah apparently it was even neither
But also both
Yes
Chrysler and Rover created a joint venture called Tritec
Does yours have zhe supercharger?
fathom socket
nah its not a cooper s
the insurance on that would be even more insane than it already is
smz time
stoic ledge
What's the SMZ?
fathom socket
soviet microcar
fathom socket
reliant robin ruski edition
stoic ledge
Nice
fathom socket
did anyone else see vettels ferrari today
stoic ledge
nein
stoic ledge
nope
flint sable
@stoic ledge SMZ = stillen 300ZX
fathom socket
fathom socket
damn i thought it was ruski boi
flint sable
LOL
stoic ledge
I'm curious to see if my grandparents car will start soon... last time it was driven was 8 weeks ago when I drove him to the hospital, hasn't driven since
8 weeks is quite some time
In hot weather
civic girder
Depends on the age, mileage, and condition
stoic ledge
Not that old, tad over 3 years
flint sable
@civic girder TT
civic girder
Yea, battery may be low or dead, but should be fine with a charge up and/or jump start
@civic girder TT
@flint sable F
stoic ledge
RIP it's parked in a shjtty position to be jump started
civic girder
stoic ledge
wang
flint sable
Oh yes
civic girder
RIP it's parked in a shjtty position to be jump started
@stoic ledge get a trickle charger and remove the battery
stoic ledge
It's an AGM battery for start-stop etc, can you even trickle charge those?
Idk, never tried
civic girder
I would assume so
stoic ledge
According to electronics.stackexchange.com, it is dafe to do so
Great, only thing to do is find a trickle charger
Inb4 the car will go in some safe mode after being left without a battery
civic girder
I mean, it shouldn't.
You'd just be manually locking/unlocking every door and wouldn't be able to move the power windows
stoic ledge
Well I know my car goes in some sort of safe mode which needs to be unlocked with a code you got when you first purchased the car, I know the other car needed it's electric windows learned again to go up and down with one push (throwing 3 fault codes until that was fixed).... idk how Renault group handles it in their cars lol
But we shall see, maybe it will fire up just fine
sterile holly
is it at least in a garage?
stoic ledge
No, it's outside
They live in an apartment complex for elderly people, just a regular spot outside
sterile holly
for me, batteries always die on the cold season, if they want to die
in the summer i worry more about the tire sidewalls
cracking and whatnot
dense shard
A car battery shouldn't die just sitting there.
Or it is time to replace the battery because it is old.
Idle it a bit longer or take in on a longer drive every so often to actually let the battery charge itself up.
stoic ledge
Using an extension lead isn't possible sadly enough, since they live on the 3rd floor
Won't be too old since it's just 3 years old
stoic ledge
Idk, it might be just fine, haven't checked it yet
But it has been sitting still for 8 weeks now, outside in hot weather. Might just as well be fine idk, have never parked a car for that long xD
OOF
Original battery?
dense shard
Why not
civic spoke
My battery was changed a bunch of years ago.
dense shard
Lowest hanging fruit will be picked.
My car is only a year old.
We do.
Is it eco friendly?
And Overall good?
Being electric doesn't make something eco friendly.
Especially when rare earth elements come from China or the DRC.
Or when the electricity comes from coal power.
Then there's the issue of battery recycling.
hexed heron
Sadly, until Japan figures out how to harvest all the rare earth metals in their coastline without destroying it, getting rare earth metals is a bit of a 'deal with the devil' right now.
dense shard
All over gas powered cars maybe.
But there are other automakers making EVs.
EVs that have better after sales support, better build quality, cheaper, and with fewer dubious features.
So far I'd only pair Tesla with BMW on sketchy features.
Most popular EV?
sterile holly
all electric is not necessarily user friendly either
dense shard
In the US maybe?
stoic ledge
Because it isn't
stoic ledge
Best seller is still the Leaf
dense shard
ah, so the Leaf is the best?
dense shard
oof.
stoic ledge
Unless something has changed the last 2 months
dense shard
Chademo. 
Telsa demand is collapsing in Norway.
Which is the biggest per capita EV marketshare in the world.
China is the biggest in the world... Tesla had to cut prices and introduce a nerfed battery to be competitive there.
stoic ledge
Also down in 🇳🇱 atm
dense shard
As the EV market matures, Tesla will face increasingly more issues.
After sales support remains a joke in the US.
That's not car stuff.
And Tesla isn't related to SpaceX directly.
They're two separate entities that share a CEO.
yeah, nah
uhuh
And I'm a Nigerian Prince.
gib money
Post an animated emoji.
Elon would have Nitro.
civic spoke
dense shard
lol you aren't Elon.
civic spoke
dense shard
Okay Elon.
stoic ledge
And I'm a Nigerian Prince.
@dense shard oh good, haven't heard from you in a while. How are the kids? You still owe me 300k EUR
dense shard
Fix your crappy products.
ah, sorry friend. I will send money. Can you send me more money to unlock account?
It locked again because of EU regulations.
Yes.
stoic ledge
No the removing options from cars and decreasing warranty on shitty products did
:0_KEKWatching:
dense shard
And GM sells millions of cars a year. Doesn't mean they're good.
Tesla CEO making billions doesn't make his products good.
stoic ledge
And GM sells millions of cars a year. Doesn't mean they're good.
Cries in GM Opel
dense shard
QC issues that need fixing post delivery is a shit operating model.
You say that.
I disagree.
Change my mind.
civic spoke
That's an opinion.
sterile holly
marketing is all about deception
civic spoke
That's where you are wrong.
civic spoke
People buy MVNT watches.
stoic ledge
People buy VW
dense shard
rekt
Sorry, but people buying a product doesn't make it good.
People buy potato chips... those are bad for you.
but I better might not
dense shard
You being rich doesn't make your product good.
stoic ledge
^
civic spoke
McAfee comes to mind.
dense shard
lol
stoic ledge
A friend of mine is poor, but he makes the best quality furniture
dense shard
Gates, Bezos, Intel...
stoic ledge
dense shard
I'd argue that the richer you are, the less quality a product has.
flint sable
People buy Apple products
dense shard
Tim Cook is super rich. I wouldn't call iphones, "good."
Bezos is super rich... Prime has gotten worse over the last 10 years.
flint sable
People buy macs 😩
dense shard
Gates is richer than you are. I wouldn't call Windows 10... "great."
stoic ledge
It's quite good... Way better than most things before it at least
civic spoke
Bill Gates is actually a pretty good human, tho.
dense shard
Mr. Toyoda isn't that incredibly wealthy... Toyota is considered a flagship automaker.
Gates has done good in the world, sure.
Mary Barra is another rich CEO type... well at least GM investors are happy? 🤔
civic spoke
He's a big philanthropist these days.
stoic ledge
Model 3 sales:
2020 2.608
2019 30.114
Hmmmmm
indigo coral
thats what happens when incentives expire
dense shard
That's... holy shit.
dense shard
I know it's only Netherlands, but holy shit.
indigo coral
the chip controls tuff is bullshit
indigo coral
Bill Gates has donated tens of billions of dollars to charity, and actually cares about the world, not just his bank account
dense shard
What size you wear buddy? 38? Must be a big noggin you got.
indigo coral
How am I wrong?
Lol
LOL
you're crazy
lmfao
REKT
Got muted for spamming lmao
dense shard
... isn't there a rule against shitposting?
dense shard
Only one I really subscribe to could be big oil killing GM's EV1.
stoic ledge
Just ask mod Barrington again
dense shard
But why would Big Oil™️ want to kill the EV1? That was super niche at the time.
stoic ledge
I thought the EV1 was cool AF
dense shard
It was, and it's sudden death only spawned a weird cult following. lol
I wouldn't mind an EV, but my area of the US is almost entirely devoid of chargers.
stoic ledge
GM: nobody wants an EV
Everybody with an EV1: "pls let me keep it, I'll pay big money for it it's superb"
GM: haha crusher go brrr
indigo coral
thats kind of the problem in the US
the only viable EV is tesla
and the company behind that is horrible
even if the cars are nice
indigo coral
there's no other nationwide networks so you'd have to dick around with plugshare and spend 6 huors charging every time you stop and stuff
stoic ledge
True, but if you live un the city and never get out of it (many people do) it's a very viable option
indigo coral
true
but if oyu ever take trips you can't easily have an EV as your only car
secondary car sure
dense shard
At that point just get a Bolt or Leaf.
indigo coral
^
indigo coral
if tesla wasn't so scummy i'd get a model 3 but I cannot support their bullshit
indigo coral
that was fast
dense shard
deepface
indigo coral
the control arm breaks
dense shard
What does that even mean.
indigo coral
1 week old
dense shard
Is there a shallow face?
indigo coral
and tesla tells them to get fuckedf
dense shard
New kid name?
indigo coral
with a factory defect
dense shard
ouch.
stoic ledge
Elon is a factory defect
dense shard
It's a feature.
dense shard
What, hold the fuck up. lol
dense shard
How does that even ship without a screen.
indigo coral
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dense shard
lol QC absent?
stoic ledge
How does that even ship without a screen.
@dense shard that's what haplend when you have 0 QC
dense shard
For a price
indigo coral
its crazy
dense shard
Don't build shit cars.
civic spoke
@fathom socket You doing okay there, bud? Need an asperin?
indigo coral
It would be one thing if they just fixed it right up, no issue
but they charged him full replacemnet price
dense shard
Anyone who wrongs the consumer will get shit on, rightfully.
Toyota, VAG, Tesla, Ford, GM, FCA, PSA, Geely.
indigo coral
What's your issue? Lol. Stop lashing out.
dense shard
Mercedes, BMW, Mazda.
Falcon is a contributing member of #cars. He stays.
He's good civ.
stoic ledge
https://maxileadmetals.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Ev1_crush5.jpg
Still in better condition than a new Tesla
dense shard
No one is calling SpaceX shit.
indigo coral
SpaceX is excellent because Shotwell runs it 🤣
dense shard
SpaceX's contributions to US space dominance can't be denied.
Tesla wasn't even founded by Elon Musk.
indigo coral
I like tesla cars but "your" company needs to seriously step up QC, and y'all need to seriously quit being anticonsumer.
dense shard
I mean... after a lawsuit we're legally required to say it was.
ok
enough with the insults.
The real Elon is classier than this.
And more creative tbh.
stoic ledge
@fathom socket how do I open the rear doors of a Tesla when it has been in a crash, I'm trapped and the electronics don't work anymore
indigo coral
Lol
dense shard
No chips, no implants.
I've seen Intel fuck it up.
I don't want any silicon or silicone in my body.
dense shard
EVs aren't mature enough to be viable imo.
civic spoke
Oh, no. Help me. I happened to report "Elon Musk"
stoic ledge
Just like 💩 > Tesla
civic spoke
They are really getting there, though.
dense shard
Yeah.
indigo coral
At least a Lexus or Toyota will last, and be excellent quality from the factory.
dense shard
No, they totally are making progress. I won't deny that.
civic spoke
We are what? On our third generation of EV's now?
stoic ledge
Oh, no. Help me. I happened to report "Elon Musk"
Oof how did that happen
dense shard
But Tesla is taking a step forward and a step back.
stoic ledge
But Tesla is taking a step forward and
a3 steps back.
Ftfy
dense shard
lol
civic spoke
👌