Our Buicks were... alright?
#cars
indigo coral
buicks are okay
indigo coral
buick is supposed to be soem kind of sporty luxury brand or something
idk what they're doing with it
indigo coral
like the Craptiva captiva
stoic ledge
Yeah well idk what GM's strategy was/is for any brand lol
dense shard
They're doing a Ford.
Cadillac will be all EV in the near future.
Chevy is the budget all brand.
Buick is China.
stoic ledge
But yeah most small Chevy's were Daewoo's which are noticably less good then the Opel's
dense shard
GMC is the fancy truck.
indigo coral
Ford is circling the drain financially
stoic ledge
Bronco is cool 
dense shard
Ford is living up to their all SUV branding.
indigo coral
I wouldn't be surprised if they enter bankruptcy soon-ish
They're actively losing money & sales
dense shard
EcoFart, Escape, Bronco Sport, Bronco 2, Bronco 4, Edge, Exploder, Expedition, F150, Ranger...
oh and the Mustang.
indigo coral
And the GT if that counts
stoic ledge
With all the trucks they're selling, the Bronco soon and how well they're doing in Europe with the Fiesta/Focus? x doubt bankruptcy
stoic ledge
They'll survive
indigo coral
It's gonna be funny when Tesla's stock bubble bursts
and all the robinhood traders get screwed
stoic ledge
Yes
indigo coral
because i'm sorry but in no plane of reality is tesla worth 300 billion
dense shard
Worth 30% more than Toyota's total market value.
indigo coral
It's ridiculous
dense shard
The company with a market presence in every market.
With billions in profit... yearly.
indigo coral
I almost hope their next quarterly earnings are a bust so we can enjoy the show
indigo coral
They're ludicrously overvalued
dense shard
They have been since surpassing VW.
stoic ledge
And VW has 7 car brands, a truck brand, ...
indigo coral
vw makes trucks? 
dense shard
That's why the next gen will move to a Ranger platform.
stoic ledge
But it was shite with the 2.0 TDI
stoic ledge
Nein
indigo coral
oof
stoic ledge
It's part of Audi
indigo coral
vw gonna acquire ford eventually probably 
stoic ledge
Just like Lambo
stoic ledge
Uuuhm could be, idk
But they worked together before, with like the VW Sharan/Ford Galaxy/Seat Alhambra
stoic ledge
Nope EU only
indigo coral
o
stoic ledge
https://media.autoweek.nl/m/m1fyh3mbaq9a_800.jpg
Especially visible on the inside, like the sat nav, hvac, gauges, window switches etc
stoic ledge
Well it was late 1990's, what did you except lol
stoic ledge
https://www.parts-specs.nl/system/large/42660-b4078609776842d4e11897304f053eaf2158dda9.jpg?1520817490 much better 
indigo coral
🤡
stoic ledge
Well different price class ofc
stoic ledge
Basically half the prixe lol
indigo coral
but it doesn't cost more to organize the interior well
stoic ledge
Well same era Toyota interiors were also a mess lol
And well the Galaxy facelift (first interior I showed) wasn't that bad organized lol
https://media.autoweek.nl/m/m1by0l4b2ugq_800.jpg
This was the Peugeot mini-van interior back in the day lol
stoic ledge
How is this scattered?
indigo coral
the worst part is that big block of mess where the screen thing is
civic spoke
stoic ledge
dense shard
Ford likely won't be merging with anyone.
Ford family won't allow for it. Maybe an alliance like Nissan?
fathom socket
been watching more reviews of the polestar 2
lookin fiiiiiiinne
if i had the dosh id probably get it
stoic ledge
Same
fathom socket
the "new" volvo design language really do be it tho
vast bridge
stoic ledge
Yes
2019 Ford Ranger Wildtrak
If you want to be absolutely sure because you can't trust anyone on the interwebs, you can always check a UK license plate
According to it's license plate, it's a ```FORD RANGER WILDTRAK 4X4 DCB T
Colour: WHITE
Year: 2019
it is a ford ranger indeed
stoic ledge
fathom socket
nice doritos car
fathom socket
indigo coral
drowsy ruin
fair bronze
That's one lovely 300ZX
fair bronze
I think it says Ferrari
devout atlas
I think that it's lifted from a tractor
fair bronze
Or that
fathom socket
encats
versed oasis
Just found an epic nice cool gamer 370z Nissan Supra Amg version
stoic ledge
Yesn't
stoic ledge
Dorito go brrr 
warm sparrow
doritos car?
fathom socket
the wankel is shaped like a triangle
so some people call it doritos
doritos engines
little night
pringles engines
devout atlas
smol pizza engine
warm sparrow
ah okee
sterile holly
pizza time
flint sable
civic spoke
It's nice that we're seeing more nice cars out on the roads.
devout atlas
yeah
because the 458 is in that odd spot
where it's no longer the cool new ferrari
and isn't old enough to be a classic
civic spoke
Still with the NA engine, tho 👌
civic girder
Na carbs best
stoic ledge
^ what he says
devout atlas
oh
it's the cool new ferrari
nice to see it on the road
I thought that 488s come with that massive hood vent
though
even though mid engined
or is that just the piss-ta?
civic spoke
This would be quite the garage.
M3 Coupe Team Schimer spec.
E36 with an S54 swap.
Classic 458 Speciale.
Mclaren 675LT with roofscoop.
median egret
It's a 458
civic spoke
@median egret That's what I said? 458 Speciale. In the classic red color and the white/blue stripe.
median egret
ooh but that's not a 488
Oh haha
idk theyre so similar
oh yeah the wide boi
guys white wheels
opinions?
(i want to get white ten spokes for the W201)
silk gate
brake dust is a killer
median egret
I know
haha
but we don't do that here
Xd
yeah that'll be a problem
UNLESS
i upgrade to carbon ceramics
👁️👄👁️
silk gate
big bucks
median egret
brakes gonna be more expensive than the car
lmao
not doing that until it gets cheaper
silk gate
porsches nicasil coated brakes
median egret
wha
silk gate
yes
silk gate
no wait it was not nicasil
median egret
silk gate
it was tungsten carbide
median egret
haha yeah
I want white wheels
but idk colour for the brake calipers
as the car in stock form is blue
silk gate
median egret
but I want to wrap it dark purple
and the caliper colour should fit both forms of the car
the wheels are probably summer wheels
and the original wheels for the winter
silk gate
The te37's are a good option
median egret
the ones you sent?
silk gate
yeah
silk gate
It has some 350z nismo energy
median egret
I copied this fitment
and I think it'll look great
16 inch isn't too much but it looks great
on here
ah
fathom socket
how much are ceramic brakes?
median egret
but paying how much (10K?)
fathom socket
out of interest
median egret
basically when they get over a certain temperature the carbon in them burns off.
@turbid onyx Yeah yeah I'm not planning to have them that big
silk gate
the merc?
stoic ledge
@median egret keep it stock
median egret
ill only change the wheels for the summer
stoic ledge
Or get a worse Merc and modify that
median egret
and probably wrap it
stoic ledge
Don't mess with this good example
stoic ledge
silk gate
wheels and coils
median egret
idk, maybe
engine will stay stock
suspension idk yet
I think I'll just wrap it purple
and get the white wheels
stoic ledge
Oh god
median egret
why
stoic ledge
Me whip
stoic ledge
That's not a Merc
median egret
stoic ledge
That's not classy
silk gate
I wish the sec mercs weren't so expensive
silk gate
yeah
median egret
Research has shown that men think about SEC's every 30 seconds
silk gate
thats one mean looking car
median egret
tyhats a 560 right
silk gate
yes
median egret
that special editon
carmine summit
we talking about Mercs? I'm looking to pick up a W210 E300 turbodiesel
median egret
ooh
My dad has an S211 E500
W210 idk
I don't like the taillights
i mean, not on the saloon
carmine summit
I'll probably do big turbos and injection pump, and eventually put the engine in a Chevy C10
carmine summit
500hp 3.0l diesel in a square body Chevy sounds like a really good idea to me lol
median egret
@stoic ledge whyno
stoic ledge
Dude... Do I really have to explain it?
carmine summit
it seems like the perfect engine for a 1/2 ton truck, LS engines are overrated and get horrible fuel economy
the stock engines are even worse than LS engines lol
carmine summit
I won't be the first person to put one in a Chevy truck, it's been done a few times before
I like putting European diesels where they don't belong
my dad's 1974 Porsche 914 has a VW AAZ
besides, I need a practical & fuel efficient daily
my Golf isn't too fuel efficient
dense shard
opal mica
Bah, y’all should pre order a roadster
civic girder
Man, Tesla is really fucked up
yet another quality video from rich rebuilds telling me why I should avoid Tesla like the plague
stoic ledge
Bah, y’all should pre order a roadster
https://media.tenor.com/images/53891b8fb5e7ece2391423b6d49078a7/tenor.gif
carmine summit
just sent someone a message asking about an E300 they have for sale, if I can get it cheap then I've got me a diesel 2JZ
near bay
dense shard
might as well buy a 2021.
smoky halo
Yeah
Ig
But anyways
What is the best starter sports car?
That has good mileage and respectable reliability?
dense shard
Honda Civic Si or Mazda Miata.
fathom socket
yeah thats gonna be a 90s bmw 8 series or a lexus lc500
dense shard
If you are daring. a WRX or Mazdaspeed 3 or 6
smoky halo
Ok
dense shard
If you wanna be different. Celica GT-S.
smoky halo
I’ve always wanted a Toyota celica. U can buy a heavily used one but the ac and all the other components almost always run like a dream
civic girder
Mazdaspeed 6 and you'll be going through transmissions like WRX's go through headgaskets
smoky halo
What should I mod on a rx 7? Specifically an FD model
civic girder
Cooling
dense shard
lol reliability mods
civic girder
and that's really all you should do
dense shard
Replace the hoses, solenoids.
civic girder
I mean, that's just maintenance
dense shard
A popular mod would be to change out the twin turbos for one.
More reliable, fewer thingies.
civic girder
Single turbo swap is if you want to make reliable power
civic girder
leaving the stock sequentials for stock power is fine
smoky halo
True
dense shard
I'd leave an FD stock.
civic girder
Same
smoky halo
What is the best website to buy cars like these?
civic girder
I'd upgrade the cooling and that's pretty much it
dense shard
ebay or forums.
civic girder
Any site where you can buy cars?
dense shard
FB marketplace if you're willing to play the game.
civic girder
Forums are often the best way to get true deals
As you are buying from competent people who want their car to go to a good home
smoky halo
Ok
dense shard
It's maybe a step above Italian exotics in terms of sheer effort.
smoky halo
Bc it’s a dream car of mine
My friends r basic when it comes to cars
They only like aventador a
And Ferrari’s
And g wagons
Lol
dense shard
taste is subjective
smoky halo
Ig so
But in all honesty I don’t like lambos at all. They just aren’t my taste of car
civic girder
same
civic girder
imo, FD isn't even worth it. They are cool, but the price premium and the fact that they are pretty much the least reliable rotary car ever (except maybe RX-8) is a total turn off for me
civic girder
Like, for the price of a clean and fully functional stock FD, I could have like 10 mint first gen RX-7s
if not more
smoky halo
Lol that’s very true
With that being said, is there any great starter sports cars out there that’s very reliable?
dense shard
as I said before.
smoky halo
Oh sorry I forgot @dense shard
dense shard
MR2s should be cheap, but cripes they're useless as dailies.
civic girder
They aren't any more or less practical than a Miata lol
smoky halo
Yeah the Mx 5 is a good car
civic girder
Miatas are also 2 seaters with zero cargo space
dense shard
MR-2s have room for a spare tire.
civic girder
Its not that bad
civic girder
idk, a buddy of mine's family has a 3rd gen
smoky halo
What is a good year for the mx5?
civic girder
cargo seemed usable
civic girder
Any year
dense shard
I'm not willing to get rid of the spare tire.
smoky halo
Ok
civic girder
NBs are more common
NAs are a little rarer, but have popups
NC no one seems to want, but they have really nice transmissions and are the biggest of all Miatas
smoky halo
Is the newest one a good one?
civic girder
ND are expensive cause new
dense shard
They're all solid purchases.
civic girder
They are good tho
smoky halo
Ok
civic girder
I would suggest going with a later NB or an NC, personally. Older NBs and NAs tend to be scuffed, unless you find an overpriced mint one
like, a stock, but fucked NA typically goes for around $3-4k anymore
which is not ok
dense shard
There's always the 9th and 10th gen Civic Sis.
civic girder
Yea, I'd go for a Civic or an NC
solid birch
median egret
i second the no purp merc
@fathom socket suggest colour
placid zinc
stoic ledge
New Bronco is quite cool 
median egret
@stoic ledge Suggest colour
jade green from the g class?
mystic blue
hyacinth red
marsh owl
Love the orange color they've been promoting
median egret
hm
marsh owl
about to put another 7000 miles or so on my 80 series for another road trip. one thing it ain't is comfy
would love a refresh
stoic ledge
@stoic ledge Suggest colour
@median egret blue as it is now
Bronco in yellow/orange/whatever that is
median egret
@median egret blue as it is now
@stoic ledge and silver/chrome/slate grey rims?
16-17
inch
fathom socket
wait
did smart for 2 come only in automatics?
oh
I'm having trouble finding a car for cheap
I found Subaru Justy 4WD for 450 chf
they don't even sell those here
it's more rare than air cooled prosche 911
but I don't see any for sale in my region
there is a focus for sale
but it's a wagon
but can I fit in Subaru Justy
so
these are the cars that are on my list
VW golf 3 and 4, polo Mk4 (9N) and focus mk1
polos are so common for sale
hmmm
or a fiat panda 2
but in poor shape
fathom socket
I wish they would be more common
stoic ledge
https://youtu.be/wR0M-g5mCvw
@turbid onyx Ah Jeep Italia... Probably going to be in Italian?
And they're late
Ah Italian subtitles
Rip it isn't
fathom socket
at least I speak italian
wait
fully electric jeeps in 2022?
also
this doesn't look like and offroad car
fathom socket
I remember that fiat 600 imported from italy
were fixed with fiat 600 polish parts
because italian parts were so crap
stoic ledge
fixed with Polish parts
those were probably Italian parts stolen by the polish
Can you give us a TL;DR if the Jeep video?
stoic ledge
What or the features? (A.k.a specs)
frank tundra
My driveway was looking absolutely deadly today
507 Edition C63, SRT10 Ram, along with my hellcat and srt jeep
stoic ledge
Prime is the US only name, yes
Just PHEV everywhere else
And Suzuki Across for some reason
Anyway, those are all producing 300hp... Jeep should have done the same imho for the Compass
Renegade, sure those numbers are enough
Quite good actually
But the Compass will be a hard sell with those numbers, or it must be considerably cheaper
🤔 Regular Compass isn't even priced that bad... Yet I never see them
It was car #121 here if I'm not mistaken
0.21% market share
Hmmm
Well I don't know other country sales
But here it's not selling well
Market share + absolute numbers
frank tundra
@fathom socket mopar or no car life 
stoic ledge
Hmmmmm
frank tundra
the Viper Ram is my cousins, he bought it brand new back in 04. It started the SRT craze in my family
stoic ledge
How many of those 64k units were sold in Italy 🤔
Makes sense
Jeep #25 seller in 🇳🇱 last year apparently
Alfa Romeo #32
Fiat #22
Maserati #39 with 34 cars
stoic ledge
Best selling FCA car apparently was the Fiat 500, at #49 (0.64% market share)
Next is the Compass at #110, 0.21% market share
Total market share FCA: 1.2%
21 cars models have a bigger market share than FCA in total
frank tundra
people just dont like fiats 😦
stoic ledge
They used to do okay, here atleast. But their current line-up... meh idk
Market share over the last 10 years here
That's not good
marsh owl
@delicate sinew just jumping over here because holy fuck that other chat. Anything and everything is a cop out answer lol. You're not driving Helldorado or the Rubicon
so you don't need a car that'll do that, so an old TJ or JK (as a modification base) wouldn't make sense
marsh owl
for real
delicate sinew
Honestly, I'm a point A to B driver, but I want something that looks nice
But here's my issue
marsh owl
so many "ACKSHEWALLY" types over there
delicate sinew
I want to import it from Japan, but I need to find a broker
delicate sinew
Yeah, I've heard
marsh owl
a good friend imports land cruisers to the US. It can be straight up hell
delicate sinew
I know my buddy bought a subie but he was okay because we have subaru dealerships here, so it negates the costs
Especially if he was just buying it brand new
marsh owl
US has shittier legal restrictions, but more standardized import routes
delicate sinew
Canada's import laws are confusing as fuck
marsh owl
yeah, you straight up can't if I understand canada import laws
15 years for a vehicle
it's 25 years here T__T
delicate sinew
Listen to this logic
delicate sinew
"Before you import a vehicle into Canada, it must meet the requirements of the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA), Transport Canada, and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency"
Am I going to eat the fucking car
frank tundra
i think its more so about the infestation
delicate sinew
Yeah, I get that
frank tundra
cbsa is very strict
delicate sinew
but it's still such a silly thing
delicate sinew
I just don't fucking understand this
marsh owl
legit though, there's a lot that goes into a vehicle like that. I specialize in offroad vehicles and international travel
it can be really really rough
delicate sinew
Why is a car that is more than 15 years old allowed, but a top of the line 2020 car not
frank tundra
i think i was paying
about
65k cad for the r34 itself
and they wanted me to pay
around 70k for the car to actually get here??
delicate sinew
Holy fuck
delicate sinew
Yeah I just want to import a fucking 2020 Suzuki Grand Vitara and that's it
frank tundra
importing is just one big clusterfuck
just wait till someone imports it and buy it off them is what i wouldve done if i went through with the r34
delicate sinew
It upsets me that Suzuki bailed out of Canada in 2012
otherwise I'd have stuck with them
marsh owl
I think it's an avenue to sidestep international import tax law imho
technically speaking, things like ecu triggers might not meet US regs, so we'll disallow import
delicate sinew
Yeah, I hear you
marsh owl
a lot of vetting and bullshit goes into international sale of autos. That's why toyota just made the Tacoma instead of making the Hilux us-legal
delicate sinew
I live in Ontario
delicate sinew
heh
marsh owl
yeah man, it's my firm believe that the lack of resale on a hyundai tells a lot about the vehicle
we've owned a tucson and a sonata
delicate sinew
If the vehicle is already here, I'd probably have to just fly down and pick it up
or get it on CN somehow
marsh owl
I have an 80 series cruiser
trust it to the end of the world and back
it's around 600k km 🙂
delicate sinew
hmm
Dad had a 98 plymouth grand voyager
We kicked it to about 500k km before it gave out
They really don't make cars like they used to
delicate sinew
The 3.6L V6 or w/e it was was just really weird
marsh owl
they're like old GMs, they run worse than everything on the road for longer
yeah, so, that's the same one in the jeep basically
wait wait, I'm mixing up engines
delicate sinew
I don't remember the exact spec
marsh owl
you remember the old dodge grand caravan that ran forever too?
delicate sinew
but it was based off the Chrysler Town / Country / Dodge Grand Caravan
marsh owl
exactly
delicate sinew
Yup
marsh owl
it's the same engine lol
delicate sinew
That's what it was based off if I remember
Yeah, oh man
We had this weird security feature on the van as well
You had to push the down button on the mirror adjustment to start the van
otherwise the starter wouldn't work
marsh owl
I met a couple from the czech touring out of a grand caravan
they were traveling for....like 3 years by that point I think?
it worked great, they put down some serious offroad miles on it too
delicate sinew
heh
delicate sinew
That is definitely not a skyline
marsh owl
bruh
delicate sinew
or what body currently uses the skyline
marsh owl
bruh it says it right there
do you mean to imply they would lie!?
on the internet!?
delicate sinew
nooooooo
marsh owl
my point exactly
delicate sinew
I'm not used to seeing the rear of the skyline lmao
marsh owl
I rest my case
frank tundra
marsh owl
My wife is completely sold on one. Has already started saving up lol
frank tundra
"q50 launched as skyline"
stoic ledge
G35 outside US was the Skyline
civic spoke
Europe didn't get Infinity.
marsh owl
TroKs arE beTtEr
dense shard
G35/Q50 are a rebadged Skyline
civic girder
Mmmm yes, corrosion
frank tundra
I just took the SRT10 Ram for a drive
and yikes traction is non-existent when you step on it
i guess 600hp does that to a pickup truck
devout atlas
hi calv
yes
murica
8.4 v10
murica
mghrrh
it's actually a 8.3 in there
right?
civic girder
Imagine buying a gas truck
frank tundra
i think its the 8.3
and i dont think my cousin actually meant to buy the srt10 ram
i think the dealer kinda tricked him into buying it
dense shard
It's an 8.3
frank tundra
i mean its a stupidly fun car for what it is
6 speed with how much power it has. its never not putting a smile on your face
always thought it was kinda quiet though
civic girder
Imagine buying a gas truck
I say as I plan to buy a gas truck to swap a gas na rotary into
frank tundra
1 thing i absolutely hate about it, its not a comfortable ride at all
Living in metro vancouver, in an area where lots of new houses are being built
so dump trucks are constantly cracking the roads, you can feel every small dent in the road
frank tundra
devout atlas
n o
frank tundra
i meann is it really a crime tho
frank tundra
these things are insanely nice tho
devout atlas
with a few turbos
frank tundra
8.3 v10 hard to come by
devout atlas
we need TT vipers
frank tundra
if someones gonna crash a viper
devout atlas
pog 1000hp guaranteed?
frank tundra
most likely crashed it hard
i think the viper ram is pushing
about 650 to the wheels
frank tundra
and it just has a tune and something else
devout atlas
smh
frank tundra
but its rarely ever insured
civic girder
Yea, the REPU was a thing. But my plan is to make the second generation that could have been
devout atlas
needs moar
frank tundra
he only got 7 days insurance onit
civic girder
An 80s B Series with a rotary instead of a 70s one
devout atlas
An 80s B Series with a rotary instead of a 70s one
@civic girder Doritos are good in yer hands, not in the car
frank tundra
to be fair tho, he daily'd it for 10 years and had no issues
devout atlas
:p
frank tundra
125k kms on the dash
civic girder
My dorito car is good
civic girder
Perfect compression, everything works except the cigarette lighter
Starts right up all the time
devout atlas
Perfect compression, everything works except the cigarette lighter
@civic girder the most important feature in a 70s/early 80s car
is a cigarette lighter
let's be honest
civic girder
Lmao
frank tundra
imagine having ur car start on the first try
cant relate
hellcat always takes 2 or 3 😦
civic girder
Lmfao
civic girder
That moment when rotary is better than V8 in something
frank tundra
idk its a weird thing with the 6.2's
devout atlas
big blocc crate
frank tundra
if you push em a little hard
and you try starting it 10 minutes after turning it off
it wont start the first time
civic girder
I just let the fuel pump prime and get the pressure up, pull the choke, and she fires right up. I have seen no evidence that carbs are bad
frank tundra
i mean i wouldnt be surprised if chrysler sold me a lemon
civic girder
Yikes, that's called heatsoak
devout atlas
frank tundra
dense shard
It's called a Chrysler product
civic girder
Even my rotary doesn't suffer from heatsoak too badly
devout atlas
yeah
frank tundra
instant regret
civic girder
But is it a real Hemi?
devout atlas
a h e m
civic girder
I mean the hellcat and all them
I see lots of dodges branded with Hemi
But do they actually have hemispherical heads?
And why would you want a GM motor that isn't a 3800
frank tundra
i should've just imported that r34 instead of a hellcat 😦
civic girder
3800 is the best thing GM has ever made. LS is overhyped and overused. Its a good motor, but it's not amazing
Only reason it's such a cheap swap is cause they were used in like literally every truck
And God knows that they sold a lot of trucks
frank tundra
I've been looking into evo x' but the lower mainland of bc just does not seem to have any ones with real potential
frank tundra
eh I've always loved Evo's ever since i saw 2f2f
civic girder
@me and rotaries
frank tundra
Ive always had a soft spot for wrx' and evo's
the 04 STI after watching born to race, and the evo after 2f2f
all the STI's in my area have been absolutely destroyed sadly
civic girder
I wanted a WRX a few years ago, but I've soured a bit on them. I might get one at some point, but it would probably be just to try it and see
I stopped caring about anything Mitsubishi long ago
dense shard
I wouldn't say the Evo is a mediocre car by any stretch.
civic girder
Only Mitsubishi car I would buy would be a Chrysler Conquest. But then, those are pretty shit
dense shard
The IX remained a benchmark for ages. Something Subaru never quite caught up to.
The 4G64T remains one of the finest engines ever designed.
frank tundra
I also inquired about this
but after looking at it in person
the photos are hiding the issues it has
dense shard
I wasn't aware the 12A had that much tuning potential.
civic girder
You don't need potential if the motor is already good
dense shard
wut
civic girder
And you can go from 100hp to 230hp ez on a 12A
Peripheral port, Weber downdraft, race exhaust
dense shard
... so it does have quite a lot of potential.
civic girder
And the Renesis is stock at it's upper limits
It really pushes the old Mazda rotary design to it's absolute limits
But ofc, the Renny does have its issues
frank tundra
6.4 might not be the most reliable engine; but it makes cool noises
dense shard
Not sure I ever considered that a good thing.
A lot of modern engines are waaaay too stressed out the factory.
flint sable
Haha
flint sable
Corolla STI
frank tundra
gottem
civic girder
Can barely see that badge lol
fathom socket
what is the most boring new car I can buy?
flint sable
Hmm
civic girder
Toyota Prius
fathom socket
prius isn't boring
dense shard
Most boring new car?
civic girder
Idk, I've almost fallen asleep while driving my Prius
dense shard
Ford EcoSport.
flint sable
Prius is quicker than a BRZ
civic girder
🤔
flint sable
Not as fun to drive tho
dense shard
Everything is faster than a BRZ
flint sable
Oh CHRISY
fathom socket
fiat 500xl cabrio?
dense shard
a mobility scooter is faster than a BRZ.
frank tundra
i think a brz would give my moms forte a nice challenge
flint sable
Probably a Mitsubishi Mirage
fathom socket
Mitsubishi colt?
dense shard
I'd say the Mirage is interesting on ground it is everything car guys want in a car.
civic girder
They still make the Colt?
dense shard
An Ecosport no one wants.
flint sable
Isn’t the mirage a 3 cylinder with under 100 hp?
dense shard
yep
dense shard
A small, light, cheap, featureless, easy to repair hatchback with used car prices.
It's everything car guys want.
frank tundra
mitsubishi has fell off hard
civic girder
Yea, Mitsubishi may as well not exist anymore
fathom socket
the we got a boring renault scenic
frank tundra
i really only ever see an outlander
but why get an outlander
when you can get a honda pilot
dense shard
It's cheap.
frank tundra
nice
civic girder
Mirage sales going up every year.
@dense shard cause that's the only thing they can sell
frank tundra
38grand for the top model outlander vs 41 for a base model pilot
civic girder
Mitsubishi has always been a smaller brand with little recognition
dense shard
A lot of people don't have a choice.
frank tundra
i'd rather get a rav4
dense shard
Mitsubishi discounts their cars.
civic girder
I'd be willing to bet that there's many people who don't even know Mitsubishi even exists
frank tundra
a lot of people
dense shard
Also in what universe does the Outlander start at 38k?
dense shard
you said base
frank tundra
i said top model outlander
dense shard
oh wait. top model.
frank tundra
vs the base model pilot
dense shard
So... why would I get a stripper for 3 grand more when I can get a loaded car for less?
A loaded car with a better warranty.
civic girder
Because you don't know it exists and there are zero dealers within 70 miles
frank tundra
in vancouver on mainstreet where all the dealers are
i think theirs everything but a mitsubishi dealership
civic girder
I quite literally have never seen a Mitsubishi dealer in my entire life
dense shard
Also the Outlander starts at 25k.
civic girder
Yea, but at that point why not just get a CRV or a RAV4
frank tundra
dense shard
frank tundra
rav4 is def a better choice imo
dense shard
RAV4 is a smaller car.
civic girder
Yea, I'd get a RAV4 hybrid if I was in the market for an SUV
dense shard
Not everyone has the benefit of that choice.
civic girder
Wdym
dense shard
People are poor.
frank tundra
but the rav4 is cheaper?
frank tundra
i mean if youre poor you probably wouldnt want a less economical heavier vehicle
civic girder
And poor people are buying used anyways
dense shard
And a Mirage is even cheaper.
Not everyone is capable of dealing with the shit used cars bring.
frank tundra
if you dont have the credit to back your purchase, probably shouldnt be buying brand new either way
civic girder
^
dense shard
A Mitsubishi is a decent choice for someone who wants/needs the warranty a new car brings.
And used cars are stupid expensive these days anyway.
civic girder
Not if you get a scuffed Civic
dense shard
Pay a few grand more and you get a brand new car with a full warranty and likely 50k in free oil changes.
civic girder
I too like perfectly fine $1k cars
dawn python
i have never had an issue with buying anything used, and neither has the rest of my family
dense shard
You aren't the rest of the world.
dense shard
My family has had plenty of issues over the years.
civic girder
My dads Elantra was new, it still bit the dust at 70k miles
frank tundra
just dont buy a used foreign car
dense shard
wut
And I should buy a used domestic?
lol
There's a great way to blow all your money.
civic girder
Yea no
frank tundra
by foreign i meant mercedes
dense shard
You should probably specify that.
dense shard
Cause Honda and Toyota are foreign brands.
dawn python
well my mom just bought a used mercedes in the past year, and we havent had that many issues with it