So the Dart is basically what the Giulia could have been if they didn't switch to RWD
#cars
stoic ledge
But the Giulia came like many years after the Giulietta
But that never got to production, right?
fathom socket
did someone say 944?!?
stoic ledge
Cool
Oof
https://media.autoweek.nl/m/m1fywcxb8lpe_800.jpg
Adam prototype
SWB Corsa 
Yup
Gotta look one of those up
See if I can find one
Yeah just found the Giulia
stoic ledge
OOF
You can see the rear door isn't a door lol
Ferrari wheel
👀
Yeah the rest is too finished for a mule
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/YLbJW/s3/2019-opel-corsa-spy-photo.jpg
Mule interiors look like this lol
production 8Cs have a ferrari airbag as well, they just glued the alfa logo on top of the ferrari one
Classic, yes
Quite certain that still was a mule
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indigo coral
Hopefully they continue the excellent reputation and performance of the first gen G70
stoic ledge
Lol
https://car-images.bauersecure.com/pagefiles/71160/bentley-mule-13.jpg
Bentley apparently
Uhm gotta look that one up
https://amsrus.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/4_volvo-xc90-long.jpg
This is the new London cab
Hmmm can't seem to find another one like that
fathom socket
jesus what is that i3 thing supposed to be
apart from an i3 with a n uber wide body kit
stoic ledge
Great question
Maybe some Mini?
http://static.autoblog.nl/images/wp2007/BmwX1-4.jpg
This was an X1
fathom socket
bmw really excels in their mules
fathom socket
that x1 looks sooo happy omh
stoic ledge
fathom socket
gets a 10 pog / 10 pog rating from me
stoic ledge
Yeah that's what the article said as well
Ah that makes sense
I was just about to say, good quality pics + cars newer than the Enzo
fathom socket
hot damn
stoic ledge
http://www.italiaspeed.com/newmodels_newlarge_3.jpg
Fiat Croma apparently
Oof
Quite liked the last Croma
But nobody bought one
Atleast here nobody did
Wait was it
👀
Ah
Makes sense
But Italian Electronics
Yes I see
But everything else is not GM
No switches, no buttons, no seats, no steeringwheel, no gauges, no radio... Nothing
Radio: green screen
HVAC: orange screen
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
A bit more upscale, no?
But yeah I recognize some stuff
OnStar came to Europe very late
According to the Dutch Wikipedia, the Croma was actually intended to be the next Lancia Lybra... And the interior was Lancia as well
The Facelifted Croma was made to reassemble the new Bravo... Headlights were identical and could be swapped out
15M apparently
Ah yes you're right
Nice
Never noticed that before
Although I think it was discontinued here when it received the facelift
Ah no they did
Lol you're right
I do know Opel reused the 3rd brake light on everything
Corsa, Astra, Meriva, Zafira... All the same
Lol
Nice
Wasn't the 8C sold before the California?
Spider both started in 2008
(according to Wikipedia)
Oof
fair bronze
I like the MiTo too
Basically a fancy Punto
1.4T?
That's the best one imo
The TwinAir doesn't suit the car at all
fair bronze
Does that mean manual
stoic ledge
Yes
fair bronze
Then heck yes
stoic ledge
But manual with bearing issues
fair bronze
Oh well, you can't have it all I guess
stoic ledge
Nope
fair bronze
Every car has its flaws
stoic ledge
not the Corsa
fair bronze
And Dacias of course
stoic ledge
Those are perfect
fair bronze
Awesome
stoic ledge
Dacia as well ofc
stoic ledge
I wish I could afford to configure a 8C Spider 
Yeah ok sure, but you also configured the 8C no?
Ofc
I configured my Corsa like... Uhm nothing, the previous owner did
👀
Damn
Me: googles Balocco
Google: here are 3 red 4C's
Not sure why that steering wheel is there
The only piece in the entire room
fathom socket
becuase alfa heritage very very heritage histoty
fathom socket
cabron fibre
stoic ledge
Always thought the center console insert was plastic, not aluminum lol
Ah cool
Nice
Is that the actual piece of your vehicle?
Ah
Well, cool
👀
Nice
The most carbon I have is a pencil
But is light
fathom socket
i got a carbon fork on my bike but thats all ill probably ever have
one day a dacia will have a carbon fibre monocoque and ill buy that
stoic ledge
I have carbon built-up somewhere probably, does that count?
minor fender bender
€50k repair bill
Damn
civic girder
The rotary engine is made from carbon fibre
Very sensitive to carbon locking
no joke thats a real thing
stoic ledge
Quite cool 
near bay
How I remove gaskets lmao
winter viper
S2 from Hell .. (Hell is in Norway) .. And its street legal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOGxfv8aBv0
dense shard
flint sable
Oh came here and figured we’d be talking about this
looks really cool
chunky tires
high ground clearance
310 horsepower
7 speed manual
But
no v8
Tad underpowered compared to the new v8 jeep concept
fathom socket
10 speed auto on the smaller engine apparently
matches up well to the jeep wrangler though right? im not a big american suv guy
dense shard
Jeep doesn't have a V8 as of right now.
And the Nano V6 makes something like 400 lbs/ft of torque.
Knowing turbos it's probably gonna come in much earlier than a Hemi.
fathom socket
i looked at the current wrangler and i thought the power figures were similar enough
dense shard
Ford has matched Jeep in every metric.
fathom socket
thats what im saying
dense shard
Difference is Ford makes it look good... and will be daily drivable.
to be totally fair.
I'd say Ford has an edge. The 3.6 in the Jeep isn't exactly the most powerful mill ever made.
Most powerful engine for FCA is going to be the diesel now... it's got the torque, but not the horses.
fathom socket
it looks like its got worse off roading specs stock than a cybertruck but thats a pickup
dense shard
I'd say that the CT is weaker on grounds it's far far bigger.
You don't want size when rock crawling.
Approach and Departure angles are vastly better on the Ford and Jeep.
I can't find any breakover angles for the CT.
dense shard
That's assuming you'll be able to fit bigger tires on a CT.
The Model X is severely limited on tire choice due to suspension components.
fathom socket
guess we cant say anything definitely without a full unveil of the ct
dense shard
Well tesla flexed with numbers.
fathom socket
unmodded its got a decent edge ground clearance wise
dense shard
Clearance is great, till you get beached on a rock.
Or rip your front end off trying to go up a ledge.
Jeep offers solid axles front and rear.
fathom socket
well any other car wouldve gotten stuck before that
dense shard
Not really.
Large trucks don't fare well off road.
Adding a few thousand pounds, and the Tesla is at a disadvantage.
fathom socket
i dont really ever look at offroading so i wouldnt consider either
ripe spire
charred barn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvh2HYIyBAs the thing sounds like a death machine
I want one
indigo coral
the new bronco is a knockoff wrangler
dense shard
For now, yes.
And I'll take a Bronco over a Wrangler.
Should be roomier to say in the least.
dapper spire
So wife gave me the green light for a new car, but it has to seat 6+ what should I get?
jagged acorn
dense shard
Dodge Journey
devout atlas
looks like a charger that got obese
fathom socket
You know what I realized?
stoic ledge
Nope
fathom socket
We're not too far away from the Honda type r to turn into a mitsubishi Evo
stoic ledge
👀
fathom socket
We just need awd
And some rally heritage
Cuz I already see type R's in wrx colours with bronze wheels
stoic ledge
stoic ledge
Same
tight cypress
scarlet pilot
oh damn...
stoic ledge
Zhe brick
civic spoke
Man. I become a menace in the traffic when I am in a good mood.
devout atlas
do you drive a geography professormobile too?
tight cypress
@stoic ledge spid machin
civic spoke
@devout atlas E46 320i. Not the most powerful car. But I like taking corners at speed.
devout atlas
@devout atlas E46 320i. Not the most powerful car. But I like taking corners at speed.
@civic spoke oh, so 50-year old bankermobile
nice
nice car though
civic spoke
devout atlas
those fenders make it look like something that it's not
civic spoke
Swede
devout atlas
oh
it's a criminal offense to not own a new xc80, then
the 2016 models had the best interior imo
civic spoke
XC80 aren't a thing.
stoic ledge
XC80
fathom socket
basically the entire volvo lineup has that interior
stoic ledge
Some minor changes, but yes
fathom socket
not that it isnt nice
devout atlas
it's bootiful
stoic ledge
XC90 is easy distinguishable with those air vents tho
stoic ledge
devout atlas
pl()x forgeeb
stoic ledge
fathom socket
the v90/60 are my 2 favourite volvos
devout atlas
my favourite volvo is that polestar
stoic ledge
I'd get a V60
devout atlas
that's supercharged and turbocharged
fathom socket
i wouldve said polestar if that was on the volvo website but theyre diff brands
its also like 4x the price...
fathom socket
reminds me that ikea still has to make a car
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the ultimate flat pack
devout atlas
ew
stoic ledge
Volvo is FWD for years now
civic spoke
Basically - Volvo hasn't had a RWD based car in over 20 years.
stoic ledge
But I'd get the T6/T8 PHEV, that's AWD
fathom socket
real men spec the neck cusion
devout atlas
real men sit on folding metal seats
devout atlas
Imagine using only a touch screen for everything.
@dense shard nervous Tesla noises
fathom socket
so like an x4 or somethin
dense shard
I'm a driver. Give me fewer distractions.
dense shard
I want quality switch gear.
devout atlas
just go 2000s toyota (international, not us)
smh
hell, just go Bentley Turbo R, smh
fathom socket
or a lexus
indigo coral
I like my tech shit but not in the car overly much
which is why I would love a G70
Standard speedo/tach and whatnot
Not a stupid screen cluster
civic spoke
New 4 series has a configurator.
fathom socket
im not saying id buy a polestar 2
civic spoke
shrugs
fathom socket
actually its a similar size to an 3 series but 30mm higher
its basically a slightly lifted saloon so its not that bad i guess
id probably buy it used if i could afford it
should I buy this porsche?
civic spoke
What about a Lambo instead?
fathom socket
idk about the colour scheme looks more like a Porsche to me
stoic ledge
Polestar 2 is 
dense shard
Chonky car, but good looking car.
stoic ledge
I've already seen a comparison with the Model 3 LR... Polestar 2 better in every single category except efficiency
Tesla still has the advantage their
stoic ledge
In their test, the Tesla did like 16.5 kWh/100km in their test, Polestar 2 19.5 kWh/100km. Batterysize is virtually the same iirc, so the Model 3 will go further
Also their scientific test was based on results of the trip computer
Not topping it up and seeing how much they actually used
Although it's quite accurate for EVs
dense shard
I see.
Bit of a bummer, but ~250-ish miles of range is enough imo.
300 is ideal in my mind.
fair bronze
Petrol is ideal in my mind
indigo coral
polestar no autopilot
stoic ledge
It can do the exact same thing in Europe
dense shard
Tesla also has no autopilot according to a German court ruling.
stoic ledge
👀
fair bronze
I'll go grab my tinfoil hat
indigo coral
autopilot is way ahead of volvo
dense shard
For the time being. I'm fine with driving myself.
And I'd gladly trade in self driving for better interior quality.
Tesla blaming anyone else but themselves.
stoic ledge
Apparently an Illuminati gif is not allowed on LTT 
Anyway, if I were choosing a new company car and I have the choice between a Model 3 LR and a Polestar 2... I'd pick a Polestar 2
dense shard
same
stoic ledge
They also brake tested the Model 3 vs Polestar 2 in the comparison video I told you about previously
Tesla Model 3 and Polestar 2 braked very well the first time
Model 3 not so good the 2nd time
Even worse the 3rd time
4th time was absolutely horrible
Polestar 2, it did the exact same distance 10 times in a row
dense shard
Not surprised tbh.
A lot of modern cars have excellent aero, but that comes at the cost of brake cooling.
stoic ledge
Polestar 2 works just fine
Those are the things which could be a deal breaker for me tbh
Yes a car can accelerate very fast... But can it stop good as well. Repeatedly?
dense shard
I'd say brake fade is a pretty serious issue.
stoic ledge
Yeah, I agree
Legroom and headroom in the rear Model 3 vs Polestar is the same... But the Polestar has the seat just a tad higher, so the legs aren't in such strange angle. And, you can stick your feet under the front seats in the Tesla, you can in the Polestar.
Just small things like that which make it more thought out
fair bronze
Interior quality is probably a bit better in the Volvo anyway
fair bronze
Not at all
fathom socket
You have a phone, yes?
@dense shard I had the exploding one
dense shard
Fear the phone, not the car.
fair bronze
You don't like spicy pillows?
fair bronze
It's something the Swedes are great at
Saabs also got a lot of praise for their seats
stoic ledge
Well, the Opel AGR seats might possibly be the best seats in the non-premium brands
fathom socket
if both were identical price id probably take the polestar
stock wise its gotta be tesla tho
dense shard
For all practical intents and purposes... they are pretty much the same price.
dense shard
don't you mean... MEHv?
speaking of which. Jeep is apparently discontinuing their Turbo 4 with hybrid assist.
Yes joke is it's meh. Mild hybrids aren't exactly going all out.
but I digress
indigo coral
I'd never buy the polestar 2, but I wouldn't buy a model 3 either
fathom socket
y doe
dense shard
honestly. I'd take a Polestar. Much less guilt.
Between Tesla's business practices, worker rights issues, and build quality... I feel it's a bit dirty to buy a Tesla.
Polestar doesn't have Elon's hype to make it good... it needs to stand alone to be good.
stoic ledge
And... I can just take it to a Volvo dealership except traveling to the other side of the country
stoic ledge
Meriva with suicide doors concept
But on the older Meriva
Too bad it never got a 2nd gen
dense shard
well... coupes are a dying breed.
fathom socket
so I'm at a cars and coffee place and spotted a 2020 Supra with a 2JZ engine I had to ask you guys that because I never knew it would be a thing. The engine had dark purple belts and dark cherry gears that's in front of the engine and the rest are in blue. This looked like the inside of the hot wheels car lmao
the owner told me it makes 960 to the wheels
fathom socket
Yeah
I wonder if he got the parts from Japan
I watched videos of swapped engines on new supras on YouTube last year
dense shard
A 2020 with a 2JZ... 🤔
It's like LS swapping an RX-7.
They can make 1000 horsepower without too much issues, but they're not very usable then.
It's seconds of lag.
fathom socket
amg gt black doe
pulsar elk
@fair bronze Is your profile pic Richard Hammond from the BMW episode of Top Gear?
fathom socket
yes it is @pulsar elk
carmine summit
Just posted an ad, looking to buy a Mercedes
W210 E300 turbo diesel specifically
Just for that glorious engine
My goal will eventually be to make over 400hp with virtually no turbo lag
Gonna use compound turbos instead of getting turbo stuff from DPUK
fathom socket
sounds like a truckj
delicate sinew
choose your fighter
civic girder
I learned how to replace coilovers today
and got free food out of it
my buddy's Miata had some really shitty coilovers on it and I helped him swap to stock suspension but with lowering springs
carmine summit
@fathom socket the plan is to put it in a square body Chevy C10 lol
median egret
amg gt black doe
@fathom socket yes hot
bitter compass
500, is it a 500? anyways it looks so much better
civic spoke
fathom socket
Can I make a bit of a confession?
The Lada 2105 is my dream car; This hunk of reliable junk is my dream car. )
There's just some charm about it for me; The origin, the robust look, and of course, the price.
stable shore
isn't that the evilcar in CARS?
dense shard
Ladas are reliable?
fathom socket
Well they're probably easy to work on
What's causing the marks around the handle and how does one eradicate this alien threat
I mean, surely it'd have to be a good car if people were waiting like 30 years for the state to get one. )
But yeah, I've heard Ladas are very reliable, and them working in the winter is of course a given.
Wouldn't want some french thing that doesn't start at -20c. )
civic girder
There's nothing wrong with having a rust pile as your dream car
God knows I like my rotaries
fathom socket
I can blindly tell myself it's just part of the charm and all is well.
But yeah, I've pretty much grown up around cars from the 70s-90s, it's all blocky Volvo 740s and the like, we even had a Volvo 340 when I was a kid.
fathom socket
A real car is a car you can envision yourself driving even after bumping / scratching / crashing, I feel.
People who treat their cars like princesses and get upset at the littlest of scratches / rust are a bit prissy, I feel. )
fathom socket
Why brown doe
devout atlas
cancer
fathom socket
Wait
devout atlas
it needs an annoying, loud exhaust
fathom socket
Is that a stanced golf plus
devout atlas
yes, that's a stanced golf
fathom socket
Plus
fathom socket
Golfs are great
Just don't try to make it into something it isn't and you're off to the races
Not literally mind
fathom socket
S T A N C E B R O
devout atlas
S t a n C E
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Stanc
devout atlas
stanc E
civic spoke
Normal Golf
civic spoke
7.66 L/100km with the last 600 km's
devout atlas
the veyron is uber cringe
indigo coral
the Chiron looks wayyyy better than the Veyron
fair bronze
I think the Chiron is highly overstyled
drowsy ruin
Isn't in dubai
drowsy ruin
It's part of the collection from Ferdinand piech
devout atlas
frick
drowsy ruin
Looks cool if you see it yourself
devout atlas
did I just diss piech?
fair bronze
That Veyron has been sitting there for over 10 years now
fair bronze
I visited Autostadt in 2010 and it was already there
fair bronze
What do you love about it
drowsy ruin
Design
devout atlas
but it ain't a panther body
fair bronze
It looks like someone designed it to look like a vacuum cleaner
drowsy ruin
Some dude tried to squeeze between our car and another car
Didn't fit so he hit us hard
civic spoke
Totaled?
drowsy ruin
Nah
Just the door and window and mirror
It's at the jaguar repair shop
Not our costs
devout atlas
jag?
you drive a jaaaag?
did you flirt outrageously with the waitress?
in your jaaag?
fathom socket
she's got a jäääääg
drowsy ruin
Yes
fair bronze
Notice how you had to mention it's at a Jaguar repair shop
fathom socket
@fathom socket you're in italy?
@turbid onyx I was in Italy
Discord screwed up and did t show me the ping
How did u know
U where there?
Oh
This Fiat 126 is basically around this place
dense shard
http://crweworld.com/article/news-provided-by-pr-newswire/1608746/2021-toyota-corolla-apex-edition-aims-for-the-curves-in-bold-style Nice. Finally Toyota starts taking performance trims seriously.
Unique suspension tune, new wheels/tires, exhaust upgrade, and even EPS tune. And that's adding to the initial tires/appearance package.
fathom socket
Idk what car should I get
dense shard
Corolla.
fathom socket
I could not get in the mx5
dense shard
or Civic.
dense shard
Si is nice enough.
fathom socket
Not posibble to find stock
dense shard
Newer Civic Sis aren't really modified.
fathom socket
I want something older
dense shard
Define older.
fathom socket
Mid 90's early 2000's
dense shard
Why so old?
fathom socket
Because why not
dense shard
Because parts will be harder to source after a point, and older cars are more likely to break down.
Also 8th gen Civic Si is pretty fucking great.
dense shard
If you need just a car. Corolla or Civic will serve you very well.
stoic ledge
Or an Astra
dense shard
or an Astra.
dense shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfugFFzejaQ Get a Corolla Cross.
The guy in charge is very excited.
fathom socket
like I can afford
dense shard
I'm sure you could afford an older RAV4.
fathom socket
I need something that can get my butt at least for 1 year
so I can afford to buy a better car
also
I think that porshes lambos and ferraries are boring now
because they are so common here where I live
it feels like they are normal
and my moms yaris is terrifying to drive
well
even the new ones
fathom socket
it doesn't work for me
so many blind spots
and also
IDK if I'm the only one here that prefers really basic interiors
sounds like you want a prius
the ultimate in prestige moroting
Wat
No
Prius is a hybrid
I want manual
I liked the focus
Mk1
Butbi can't find the 5 door hatchback with ac
I just hate the modern cars
Especially if everything is in the touchscreen
I just want knobs and buttons
what about a bmw 3 series compact or something
i hear theyre pretty nice and good value
and theyre old enough to only have buttons
i think that'd be my choice
I think I can have one in switzerland
dense shard
so look man.
I know what you want us to say.
"Just get another Focus"
Just get another Focus.
fathom socket
idk
If I was in poland
I would get a focus
but like porshes 996 are more common here than ford focus mk1
dense shard
get a mk2.
stoic ledge
Both
devout atlas
oh noes
dense shard
Good.
dense shard
Japan's laws are arguably more lenient.
Tho the cops are not.
I think it's .03 BAC, but they can decide if you are inebriated on the spot... usually yes.
fathom socket
uk is 0.08/0.05% i think
indigo coral
rip
dense shard
... I wonder if I could get em retrofitted. lol
indigo coral
probably
dense shard
There are people who have swapped infotainment units without much issue.
dense shard
really not feeling the Peugeot interiors.
Either that steering wheel sits very low, or that dash board is extremely high.
indigo coral
The steering wheel is low and tiny
stoic ledge
I don't mind them, but not everybody can find a good driving position
You have to look over the steeringwheel to see the gauges, so you have to set the steeringwheel quite low
fathom socket
centre console looks cool
devout atlas
kinda looks like a corvette center console
they do that stylized 'handlebar' thing
c7
fathom socket
id hate being a passenger
devout atlas
fathom socket
its pretty weird being a passenger on the other side
especially with that compartment pretty hidden away from the passenger
stoic ledge
Tbh I'm not such a fan of the touch sensitive row of buttons in the Corvette
fathom socket
the line behind the infotainment looks cool
stoic ledge
I'll let you know when my friend takes delivery if his C8 in 16 months
fathom socket
are they touch sensitive?
stoic ledge
I think they are
fathom socket
they look like hard buttons
fathom socket
yeah its pretty "cluttered" with all of them in one row from the dash to the arm rest
fathom socket
in porches you have to control the vents through infotainment
median egret
corvette interior I hate it
fathom socket
" mum can you move the vent" just waitttt im changing the musiccccc
fathom socket
the old top gear cast but they are anime girls
fathom socket
yes
stoic ledge
New Grand Tour episode when 👀
fathom socket
here is them dressed as touhou characters
stoic ledge
Pls stop
fathom socket
idk
i dont think they'll set the tent up during this time
they either do an empty tent one
or just nothing
i live in india so the passenger seat is on the left side
cool?
I mean the same can be said for UK and Japan
also australia
some middle east countries
some african countries
more asian countries
frosty oak
Whats your dream car (everyone)?
stoic ledge
For @devout atlas , it's a Dacia Sandero
For me... I'm not really sure. Probably a Aston Martin DB11. Or a McLaren GT
But nothing can beat a Dacia
devout atlas
bentley mulsanne
frosty oak
for me its the datsun 1200 ute or bmw 2002
stoic ledge
devout atlas
the cars that I like
are panther bodies
we love panther bodies
we are idiots, for we are many
strong plume
Maserati?
devout atlas
ye
devout atlas
ye
it's the new ghibli hybrid
I haven't seen the new ghibli
2016 is new for me
:p
I approve
mild
is good
devout atlas
it also has the new infotainment running android on a x86 processor
@turbid onyx you must've tested it
right?
/s?
it's a joke relating to you showing us those fiat insider things earlier
or were they insider things?
suspension for the new compass
?
strong plume
if only it wasn't $125k+
bitter compass
look its a volvo :^)
magic badger
Whats your dream car (everyone)?
@frosty oak Nissan Skyline GTR R34 Vspec 2 Tuned max
strong plume
look its a volvo :^)
@bitter compass A volvo 240 estate would also be acceptable 😉
civic spoke
I honestly don't know what my dream car is. I'm really happy with my current ride.
Dream garage, that however is a different question.
I would want something like a Morgan in there.
strong plume
ouch saw the price of the audi RS6 avant nearly $250k local price
wheat hatch
Whats your dream car (everyone)?
@frosty oak SLS Black Series
indigo coral
Attainable dream car: Genesis G70 3.3T
Unattainable dream car: Lexus LFA Nurburgring edition
civic girder
Yea, ig for me the attainable dream car is the RX-7 I have.
Unobtainable would def be a first gen Cosmo.
RX-4 sedan should actually be decently obtainable. But wouldn't be higher on my list. Could even get a RX-2 sedan as a substitute. Or even piston versions of those cars and rotary/badge swap
fathom socket
unattainable dream car: lexus lc500
attainable dream car: BMW 8 series (90s)
Frick
I guess I'm gonna to buy the cheapest car
Because I can't get to work without car
civic girder
El cheapo Civic incoming
fathom socket
Civics do not exist here
The cheapest I could go is a Focus
Or idk what
But noone sells anything cheap in my region
Fiesta is too smal
Idk if I even wanna to drive a daewoo Matiz
dense shard
So just find a whatever.
You said you only need it to last a year.
Dream car? Already driving it.
Unattainable dream car? dunno
Lexus LC500?
fathom socket
I don't really have a dream car
civic spoke
Miata is always the answer?
indigo coral
The LC500 is amazing too 
civic spoke
That would probably be ace to own. A nice NA GT car.
stoic ledge
I don't mind it
civic spoke
I really just want some nice NA cars in my dream garage.
dense shard
It looks okay, but F-type dropped the manual.
There's no real reason to buy a Jaguar over say... an Audi.
dense shard
without a doubt
stoic ledge
There's no real reason to buy a Jaguar over say... an Audi.
@dense shard there's no reason to buy an Audi
dense shard
If you want a nice sporty luxury car?
indigo coral
lol
Lexus should make a new IS on a modern platform
its long in the tooth at this point
stoic ledge
Yes
indigo coral
the platform is like a decade old at this point no?
stoic ledge
I think like 2012 or something
Lemme check
2012 yes, GS had it as well
IS had is in 2013
(and RC in 2014)
Should have used the TNGA-N platform imho
longitudinal engine and rear- or all-wheel drive
stoic ledge
fathom socket
at 86
stoic ledge
@turbid onyx have you heard about Stellantis 👀
flint sable
Anyone here going to Carlisle ford nationals?
stoic ledge
Nope
median egret
at 86
@fathom socket
hehe ikr
stoic ledge
nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ly7JjqEb0
@dense shard this is new to me LOL. I've seen a few gas powered Canta's for disabled yes, but I've never seen the Biro and didn't know they were driven that much 😂
devout atlas
that's cool and all
but is it a 202HP 4.6L SOHC V8 with shit fuel economy?
yes
but is it a 202HP 4.6L SOHC V8 with shit fuel economy? (this is a lincoln town car joke btw)
don't think about it
it was a random joke because of my panther body addiction
quartz fern
Wild subaru
pallid wing
new whip 🚗💨
civic spoke
Please don't use the wire harness as a whip.
fathom socket
Make your own dashboard
devout atlas
nice
stoic ledge
stoic ledge
@dense shard https://youtu.be/UhW_9CZJB-Q
dense shard
Apparently the RAV4 really hit it out of the park.
Probably THE Toyota product to own.
dense shard
I'd argue that's not quite Toyota at that point.
And I'd still argue that the RAV4 is it. It's 100% the future.
Best part. It's the second fastest Toyota product currently on sale. lol
indigo coral
wait wtf really?
dense shard
Yeah. It's faster than the 4 cylinder Supra.
indigo coral
second to the Z4 supra?
dense shard
Only the 6 cylinder is faster.
indigo coral
I wonder if the supra is faster than the LC
its lighter
and the LC isn't geared for speed
dense shard
The new one probably is.
indigo coral
Idk I mean a used LC would be pretty swick
indigo coral
for toyotas thats generally ok
I'm not buying a new G70
a 1 year old car with only a few thsuoand miles is up to 20k less
it's crazy depreciation for the G70
dense shard
And I'm willing to spend a few grand more to get exactly what I wanted.
indigo coral
I've noticed that Lexus vs Toyota equivalent products aren't dramatically different on the used market
price wise
dense shard
That being said. I'll be on the market for a new car soon.
dense shard
CT200h was always known as a fancy Prius.
stoic ledge
Yes
indigo coral
I personally think the CT is much better looking than the Prius
and has a wayyyyyyy better interior
stoic ledge
I quite like the RAV4 PHEV powertrain, curious to see how it holds up against something like the Opel Grandland X Hybrid4 and/or Peugeot 3008 Hybrid4 (same powertrain) in Europe
stoic ledge
Grandland X is the model, Hybrid4 the 300hp PHEV
dense shard
Took Toyota only two tries to crush the Chevy Volt.
stoic ledge
The regular Hybrid is just 225hp
indigo coral
howd they crush the volt?
dense shard
More range, more room, more power, more quality.
stoic ledge
"just", still smoking 95% of the cars in 🇳🇱
indigo coral
with what car
dense shard
The RAV4 Prime is a better car in every way than the Volt was.
About the same price.
dense shard
I think the RAV4 Prime might be a grand more?
indigo coral
which is worse than the volt
stoic ledge
Imagine what more years of development can do
dense shard
Prius Prime is a good enough car, but it's still a Prius first, plug-in second.
stoic ledge
Toyota had nothing comparable at the time
indigo coral
yeah but there's a reasonable expectation of quality and durability with toyota
chevy... well your mileage may vary
chevy quality is hit or miss at the best of times
dense shard
The Japanese may be late to the party, but they'll do it right.
stoic ledge
My German Chevy not a Chevy is fine
dense shard
tbh
indigo coral
the interior of the Bolt is mediocre
dense shard
Our Chevys are your Opels.
dense shard
Apparently all modern GM interiors are rubbish.
indigo coral
it looks okay but it just feels really cheap
dense shard
Kinda happy I skipped the Cruze after all. lol
indigo coral
like the turn signal creaked and stuff when you pushed it, in a BRAND NEW CAR
my 22 year old toyota doesn't do that
stoic ledge
No most Opel's are above your Chevy's in quality lol