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#cars
civic girder
dense shard
IRS handles better.
dense shard
90% of the time an independent rear suspension is better on packaging, refinement, handling, and comfort.
stoic ledge
Lodgy is the minivan
dense shard
A torsion beam's potential is much lower.
civic girder
It is more comfortable, for sure
dense shard
Independent rear suspensions have vastly more tuning potential.
civic girder
RX-7 does not take big bumps well with the live axle lmao
dense shard
With a lot of automakers. You'll find the Japanese have moved to IRS for better ride and tuning. Koreans and Germans are doing it to cut costs and add more tech.
civic girder
Speed bumps are hella uncomfortable, and bumps long enough to span the length of the car will make it hop
stoic ledge
Did it? Never noticed on the Lodgy
dense shard
In the case of Mazda... save money to stay afloat.
dense shard
No one accused new Mazdas of handling better. Just softer.
stoic ledge
Oof well yes and no
dense shard
I see the diamond theme.
fair bronze
I see the mighty Dacia
stoic ledge
All Dacia's were originally developed as Dacia, not as Renault. But in some countries, the actual Renault's were too expensive for the people and the Dacia's where also quite modern cars, so they just rebadged them
There's absolutely 0 reference to the Renault family design
Just a tiny bit, sure
Never noticed it before
fair bronze
stoic ledge
I'd drive that
fair bronze
If only the rally version would seat 7
stoic ledge
Kek
stoic ledge
fair bronze
stoic ledge
Do I see 6 cilinders 👀
fair bronze
It's basically Dacia's version of the Clio V6
fair bronze
Who needs room for passengers when you can have a V6 instead
stoic ledge
A Dutchy made an Alfa GTV Bi-Motore once
2nd engine in the rear driving the rear wheels
stoic ledge
Kek
The original Bi-Motore
But building one yourself is quite cool
That will fit in my Corsa
Anyway, gtg. Gn 
fair bronze
Nighty night
steady cypress
bro NGL that's what's powering my golf cart
fathom socket
Will that fit in my Miata?
steady cypress
if you believe hard enough then yes.
normal temple
This might fit in your Miata @fathom socket
versed oasis
turbo the fuck outta that
fathom socket
Xbox swapped mx-5
frank tundra
i love the way these new saleen wheels look
still need new tires, and it needs to be lowered
fathom socket
One Xbox series X at each wheel delivering over 100bhp
civic girder
slow car fast best car fast
sharp ivy
Here’s a picture I took at CES of Mercedes Benz’s project: AVTR car
sharp ivy
Not really
It works
But it’s remote controlled (I assume) because it has no steering wheel
But if they do have one in 10 years, it better be more comfortable
dense shard
Shittier? I'd say more functional.
That is a lot of RGB... and I'm not too hot on blue lights in cars. Fucks with night vision.
devout atlas
yes
shittier design
more practical
design
I dislike such hyper-futuristic concepts
they give us false hope
devout atlas
wut?
tight cypress
devout atlas
34 is no biggie
tbh
Been in hotter places
I understand that europeans might find that hot
ah yes
felt that in Ethiopia
It's quite cold here rn
warm sparrow
32° from the car that is in direct sunshine is ok
It's like maybe the real temp is 25
Hot but ok
warm sparrow
Hm 🤔
You have an SD card reader in your car? 🤔
What car is this
Hm @regal coral wrong channel?
fickle shell
Spam lol
warm sparrow
It drinks a bit ⛽
bitter compass
hmm
civic spoke
2 L/hour on idle
civic spoke
I guess it isn't as bad when you realize that I can weigh 28 tonnes.
bitter compass
900kg :(
civic spoke
Payload capacity is 17 tonnes.
bitter compass
semi 🤔
civic spoke
civic spoke
He do
civic spoke
Oh, by the way. Truck just passed 8,000 km's
warm sparrow
😵
devout atlas
@turbid onyx if you see a suspicious looking guy in black overalls hiding in your garage. let me him be. He means no harm, and he sure as hell ain't stealing your 8C
ah yes, alfa build quality
civic spoke
It's good to be home.
Before 3:30 pm
You're trying to say that Maserati build quality is any better than Alfa.
devout atlas
oh
but at least it ain't l a n c i a build quality from the 80s
Was built by Maserati, but still
@turbid onyx huh, coachbuilt?
yep, so definitely coachbuilt (handbuilt)
because as Jeremy clarkson once said, "Hand-made is another way of saying that the door will fall off."
warm sparrow
Yea it leaks but anyway who would drive a 8C under the rain?
Oh yes mb I've heard Italians are crazy
On the road
xD
But the handling in the rain is hm
.. absent
No?
Yea
- suspicious look *
devout atlas
imagine being scared of crashing a $350k+ limited edition sports car
he crashed one because he's an insufferable idiot
one does not simply crash the most beautiful modern car in existence
you?
shit
oh
nice
have you seen the disco volante?
the uglier, more premium version of the 8c
warm sparrow
Clarkson crashed an 8C? Don't remember that
warm sparrow
This is not good looking
warm sparrow
Can we see yours?
warm sparrow
Oh nice
What's the red thing? A bike?
But the car seems ok
Not totalled at least
Ok, I thought it was worst
Expensive but nothing too bad
warm sparrow
Wut?
warm sparrow
Hm okay but why?
Just a big basic not really good looking American car with a v8 of course
What do you call the balloon?
Chassis?
devout atlas
Just a big basic not really good looking American car with a v8 of course
@warm sparrow not basic
comfy
4.6 V8
indestructible
you can pick up a police interceptor (the cop version of this with a lsd, which is a drift rocket) for 1k-2k usd
warm sparrow
Okayyy so it's a big carbon fiber body panel
Weird thing
No wonder why it's so expensive
Funny design
lol how to solve panel gaps
devout atlas
it was done that way because the designers didn't want any panel lines
@turbid onyx they should've gone the karmann ghia route
warm sparrow
@devout atlas ok but again why do you ask that xD
devout atlas
no panel gaps
karmann ghia
it's one flowing design
that's from the times when coachbuilders like ghia employed panel beaters forming body panels on wooden bucks
@turbid onyx yes
bingo
if you're going that route, might as well go all in
crashing = replace the entire body
warm sparrow
I don't even know half of these
devout atlas
I only know of pininfarina, bertone, ghia and guigiaro
maserati MC12 gang
thar was guigiaro
right?
maserati MC20 soon™️
fiat MC20
it better be fucking glorious
we need a worthy successor to the mc12
on july 15th on the other hand they'll launch the hybrid ghibli
@turbid onyx ugh, hybrid
it'll just be heavier
ah yes
it's for tax environment reasons, yes?
yeah
makes sense
the v6?
Imagine if it was one of those glorious old V10s
and the hybrid thing
right?
median egret
hm
Also guys
M139 engine
Is going to be
the next 2JZ
Calling it now
I mean
devout atlas
pfft
median egret
With emissions and everything, the displacement as well as the cylinder count is going down
devout atlas
6 cylinder
median egret
but the closed deck design
fathom socket
Finally picked my shit up and got the mx5 project I was dripping about 😄
fathom socket
.... V8 huh ;O
Pretty happy with the power of the little thing as it is right now really
Engines got 100k on the clock so we'll see how its future holds up and leave that thought for another day
fathom socket
Pre-warn, needs prepping and painting
devout atlas
.... V8 huh ;O
@fathom socket *the best V8
@devout atlas the MC20 will be ICE and BEV, but the nettuno engine will be used in PHEV applications on other models
@turbid onyx let's hope that this car gives the Laferrari a run for it's money, just like the MC12 did to the ENzo
because they were practically the same car
fathom socket
I don't have NA money, prefer the NB body too 😮
stoic ledge
That.... Does need some work yes 
fathom socket
Its had the majority done, just waiting for the spray booth to come free 🙂
stoic ledge
No bottle spray paint?
fathom socket
Course man, rattlecanning it... just in a spray booth 😄
Joking by the way...^ Just before anyone says something
fathom socket
Hate red cars.....
Something along the lines of battleship grey
Straight
Because fck painting cars black, I'm not good enough...
stoic ledge
leave it primer and call it nardo grey, nobody will notice
median egret
haha
fathom socket
leave it primer and call it nardo grey, nobody will notice
@stoic ledge My first thoughts exactly...
indigo coral
I wish I could repaint mine 
stoic ledge
Do it falcon
median egret
nardo grey must be the worst colour to ever go on a car
indigo coral
I don't have 2 grand
stoic ledge
Rip
indigo coral
At least not to spend on that
stoic ledge
His bumpers are a different color than the car
fathom socket
Groovy
stoic ledge
Iirc
indigo coral
Lemme get a picture lol
stoic ledge
1999 RX 300
fathom socket
Interested now
stoic ledge
Brown + beige
fathom socket
Ooooh
stoic ledge
Pic incoming in 3..2..1..
median egret
hm
indigo coral
median egret
mhm
indigo coral
The upper part is generally in pretty good condition. Couple small dents/scratches that could be resolved pretty easily or arent a big deal. The bumpers are the issue.
median egret
don't like the rear glass
make it a 4 door ute haha
indigo coral
Previous owner bumped into some stuff lol. Low speed etc
stoic ledge
Previous owner a.k.a grandpa?
fathom socket
Can't find any bumpers from people breaking for parts?
indigo coral
stoic ledge
fathom socket
F
median egret
yeah black out some stuff
respray into a pastel colour and boom that's cool
indigo coral
Ah well. Its cosmetic, not structural or anything. Still safe to drive etc etc
Structurally it's perfect.
fathom socket
Pretty sweet drive otherwise
stoic ledge
falcon: won't pass inspection
Also falcon: still safe to drive
indigo coral
The colour is unorthodox but I like it
Might end up getting a 2007 RX 350 tho, it (of course) has a dent that is need to repair but I'd actually spend the money to fix that dent considering the rest of the car is like new
It's only at 52k miles
dense shard
rumors are next year.
dense shard
I imagine Nissan had an engine lined up a few years ago, but their Daimler alliance fell apart.
Bit of a shame. Inline 6, 400Z.
devout atlas
So a legit decade between models.
@civic spoke I see no problem
blazing tide
Maybe this is a time thats reminiscent to the events of the GTR, but this time nissan in the edge
dense shard
Thing is both the 370z and GT-R remain relevant.
If only by virtue of standing in a field of one.
Okay to be fair the Supra now exists... and the GT-86, but those two feel as if they serve different market segments.
civic girder
Apparently my mom backed into someone in our Lexus this morning. I haven't gone outside to look at the damage yet
wouldn't be the first time my mom has backed into something either
I don't think the lexus has proximity alert
its a 2010
dense shard
Most cars don't.
civic girder
I know her van has proximity alert thoo
dense shard
A back up camera is usually enough.
dense shard
Those are kinda ugly.
civic girder
The only reason shes even driving it is because her van is at Chrysler because of a recall. We have no idea when we will get it back
stoic ledge
Aftermarket parking sensors are never invisible, they always stick out
dense shard
Even the factory options stick out.
dense shard
Not that I've seen tbh.
blazing tide
Ah thats new for me to know
dense shard
The factory sensors look like screw hole covers on a bumper.
indigo coral
Yeah
blazing tide
But why bother electromagnetic, oh companies.
civic girder
Back when we had a Toyota Sienna, my mom hit the driver's door of the Prius, and then scraped the van's front bumper on something in a parking lot. And a year or two before we got rid of it, she backed into a sign and punched a hole in the passenger side tail light lens that I later had to patch with tape
indigo coral
Rear cross traffic alert is obnoxious in our explorer
dense shard
Just use a back up camera. Those will beep at you.
indigo coral
It never is accurate lol
dense shard
I've had cross traffic save my bacon once already.
civic girder
My Prius beeps angrily in reverse, but does not warn you when you get close to anything
indigo coral
The explorer one is like BEEEEP for f**king everything, including the parked car next to you
civic girder
the Lexus is the same way
blazing tide
Ahh convenience...
indigo coral
Or sometimes just for nothing
dense shard
My car just... does nothing.
indigo coral
My car doesn't even have traction control, so a backup camera is a pipe dream 
dense shard
Even the lines on the back up camera don't change.
civic girder
Now, my mom's Chrysler, it will begin to beep when you get close to something and beep aggressively if you get really close to something
stoic ledge
That's how it should work
indigo coral
Over what you're getting close to
civic girder
P sure that's the only way shes managed to avoid hitting something in the Chrysler lmao
dense shard
I have the overlays.
stoic ledge
I have nothing
dense shard
They just don't move when I move the wheel.
dense shard
My Corolla is alright.
I've got the thicc C pillars blocking a lot, but nothing mirrors can't fix.
civic girder
The Prius has good visibility, but suffers from thicccccc pillars
dense shard
Better than the Mazda 3 at least.
civic girder
The RX-7 has the best visibility I've ever seen in a car
dense shard
I noticed recently that Toyota was careful about styling the A pillars in my car.
They're still chonky, but they're styled in a way that doesn't block my view from inside.
indigo coral
I have moderate pillars but big windows and stuff, so it's easy to see/check when changing lanes/etc. It's fantastic. One of the best parts ngl
I can't see the hood when I'm driving 🤔
It slopes off lol
civic girder
Prius is like that too
dense shard
Honda was just bad.
civic girder
the hood slopes into the windshield curve. Aerodynamics
indigo coral
I can see it in the Taurus and explorer but in my RX it's sloped enough that I can't really see it
"aerodynamics" my car has the aero of a barn
Lol
civic girder
The RX-7, I can damn near see the end of the front bumper. Pop up the headlights and I know exactly how far I stick out
indigo coral
tho I filled up yesterday after driving to and from camping, and I got 23mpg 
stoic ledge
Camping 👀
indigo coral
That's highly unusual for my porker of a car
"camping"
RV
I need to clean my car today tho
civic girder
I should wash both of my cars. Except all of my buckets are filled with old coolant
I should probably go take that to the solid waste plant today. My dad has been complaining about it lmao
civic girder
no spoiler gang
ez to clean
I do need to take some isopropyl to the inside of the RX-7's windows
and I should probably wax both my cars. Probably ceramic coat the Prius, won't bother with the RX-7 since the paint is fucked anyways
dense shard
I'll probably wax my car before long. The wax from the dealership lasted longer than I expected.
civic girder
Can't wait to get a house so I can paint the RX-7 tho
It'll look so nice with a fresh coat of paint in the factory color code. And I'll probably get a decal made to replace the factory pinstripe
Real question is how I transport this without spilling all over the car
Also, damaged Lexus
stoic ledge
Did she... Leave a note?
indigo coral
yeesh
civic girder
P sure the other person was there
stoic ledge
Hmmmm
civic girder
The bumper got knocked off a bit. My mom said she pushed it back on
stoic ledge
Yeah it's hold on by a couple of clips
civic girder
Its holding on good still, but that corner up by the wheel isn't perfectly lined up
Ok. Back to the task at hand....
I might be able to get away with pouring some from the buckets to the trash can and then making sure to tie the buckets down
stoic ledge
civic girder
This should work actually
And then I want some boxes or something to help keep that bin from trying to move around
Little run around the block, it's working fine. Off we go
dense shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnSQP50gMuE So 260 horsepower... manual maybe gets 6.5 seconds 0-100km/h
So maybe a second faster than my car.
Automatic is flat out faster.
civic girder
Well that went swimingly. Besides the fact that I didn't realize that antifreeze can be recycled for free and went through the waste line for nothing
No spills.
dense shard
yay
sage mantle
what cars do you guys have ?
rotund yew
One of my brakes broke :(
dense shard
I have a Toyota.
sage mantle
I have a Toyota.
@dense shard model ?
rotund yew
I have a 2008 Honda Accord LX with a 5 speed manual
sage mantle
nice
civic girder
I have a 2009 Toyota Prius and a 1983 Mazda RX-7 GS
frank tundra
Hellcat Charger, SRT Jeep, New Edge Mustang, and an x5 diesel
civic girder
I thought those were SN95 Mustangs
fathom socket
mini hatch 2002
normal temple
1989 BMW 325is
stoic ledge
2012 Opel Corsa 1.2 12v Bi-Fuel
frank tundra
@civic girder Foxbody ended in 93, SN95 Started in 94, ended in 98, New Edge was from 99-04
civic girder
ah, I see
cerulean verge
does anyone know of a good rc discord
frank tundra
@cerulean verge I would just go into the public channel search and put RC in
theirs probably one official one
nvm i just checked and nothing comes up for RC or remote control 
check reddit or smt
cerulean verge
thx
does anyone recommend a good rc discord? that has good reviews and experienced people
civic girder
Check reddit or just search the internet
dense shard
SN95 went from 94-04. New Edge wasn't a new platform, just a styling update.
And even then. The SN95s were still Fox Platforms.
dense shard
yep
fathom socket
Maybe so
fathom socket
dads got a 2019 mazda mx5 and a 2001 nissan pathfinder
moms got a 2007 toyota sienna le
smoky halo
whats ur favorite car guys\
civic girder
My RX-7
fathom socket
ones that drive
smoky halo
my dream car is a 87 supra
civic girder
MKIII Supra is better than MKIV, change my mind
smoky halo
i agree
normal temple
R33 GTR is best GTR, change my mind
civic spoke
Top 5 for Skylines? 🤔
devout atlas
aren't there like, 4?
I don't like these 6 cylinder japs
you need a v8 to be good
indigo coral
not true
Ford GT is a V6 and it's one of the best supercars around in the past few years
devout atlas
Ford GT is a V6 and it's one of the best supercars around in the past few years
@indigo coral no
the new Ford GT has a lot of nerve being alive
indigo coral
I like it
stoic ledge
Haha spooly boiis go brrr
indigo coral
it's a great car
stoic ledge
buy it
civic spoke
The Ford GT drives amazing from what I have heard.
civic girder
Isn't the Ford GT super uncomfortable, even for a supercar?
And it's not a rotary, so big sad
frosty oak
yall seen 400z
civic spoke
Have heard of it, not seen it.
stoic ledge
^
stoic ledge
That's a cool car, yes
civic girder
Why would I want a 400z tho
frail shore
damn dont gotta diss the rotary engines like that
median egret
pfft
rotary? rotaries are basically obsolete
@sterile holly
Why do the old things sound better tho
V10, V12s etc
not saying those are obsolete or old
but they will be dead in like 5 years
civic girder
You dare challenge the resident rotary worshiper?
median egret
hm
sterile holly
2-strokes are capable of more power but not economical
the rotary wears seals down too quickly
this means they are high maintenance
civic girder
😂
Piston engines wear down piston rings too
The difference is that rotaries have a shorter lifespan
Within that lifespan, they are reliable
And anything is technically high maintenance.
A piston engine you don't give a shit about will also blow uo
And yes, rotaries are shit on gas and bad on emissions. There's a way to fix it, but it would require lots of r&d
And then remember that the piston engine had over 50 years of r&d before the rotary was really a thing.
Its only natural that they're behind the curve
civic spoke
It sucks that there arne't many NA Euro/Asian cars.
At least ones that are more affordable.
blazing tide
Within that lifespan, they are reliable
ahh yes rotary ftw
flint sable
1/1 S281 extreme, Saleen wasnt the best at money managing so he built this car to pay someone off (May have been his accountant I’m not sure), lizstick red, his daughters fav lipstick color
crisp jolt
Is it a good idea to change the transmission fluid if you don't know when it was last changed?
My car is at 150K miles and it's on the list of things to do
Because so far the debate against changing it makes no sense considering it can take 50-75K miles between changes
fathom socket
When you bought it what mileage did it have
crisp jolt
130K or so
stoic ledge
Manual or auto?
crisp jolt
So far they only say to replace it once
I'm guessing ford assumed either the car would be ditched or the fluid lasts that long
They're not wrong
indigo coral
drain and fill fine, do not flush an old transmission
dense shard
Flush it till the internals come out the drain hole. (don't do that. Flushes tend to be bad on older transmissions for various reasons)
civic spoke
Robert produces some really good stuff. He's a great personality with a lot of insight.
civic girder
On my car I just removed the fill plug, then removed the drain plug.
once stuff stopped coming out, replace drain plug
fill till it starts leaking out the fill
and then replace fill plug
done
transmission fluid change ezpz
dense shard
Automatics tend to be a bit more finnicky. Usual idea is to change fluid, drive it around the block, and do it a few more times to get fresh fluid throughout the system.
fathom socket
how often should a full oil change be donw
stoic ledge
Engine?
stoic ledge
Depends on if you're in Europe or the US
stoic ledge
US dudes do it like 3k miles
fathom socket
yep
stoic ledge
Or 02
indigo coral
10-20k will kill my motor 😂😂😂 @stoic ledge
stoic ledge
Yes
fathom socket
3k miles if u want to go a million miles
indigo coral
cause I have an ooooold car
If I didn't have such a splitting headache I'd do it today but nope
stoic ledge
Which engine is in the Mini?
fathom socket
yeah it was that
fathom socket
nice
fathom socket
ah yes
stoic ledge
It's probably 9-12k miles or yearly
fathom socket
is an oil filter change like every 3 changes or something
yeah its probaby due oe
one
stoic ledge
Usually it's like every other oil change
But it's better to just change them
They cost nearly nothing
And otherwise you'd be using a filthy oil filter with clean oil
dense shard
3k miles is something you do with cars older than your parents.
Change your oil as recommended in the spec sheet.
dense shard
There's no harm in doing it more often, but 3k miles is... that's a bit crazy imo.
stoic ledge
Since I don't reach 18k miles
dense shard
I do it every 5k miles.
stoic ledge
Yearly = ±10k miles for me
indigo coral
My book says 5k, forums say don't gk past 2k but they're using dino oil
I use synthetic
(yes, 2k)
I do 5k intervals
fathom socket
2k? god dayum thats alot of oil changes
stoic ledge
drives to the mall
Ah better get an oil change
civic girder
10-20k and I'd have no motor left
😂
partially cause I'd burn all the oil before I got that far
But the Prius can go like 10k recommended between service
dense shard
I'm sticking to 5 under the assumption my car is on a "heavy duty cycle."
stoic ledge
Heavy duty cycle
dense shard
steep grades, lots of stop and go, heavier loads, and considering I might be putting a roof box on... no reason to skip it.
Also I wanted to do an early oil change for my first.
smoky halo
what should i mod on my rx7 when i get it
fathom socket
civic girder
Replace all vacuum lines. Replace all coolant hoses. based upon pfp, you're getting an FD, in which case you should upgrade the cooling (better rad, heat wrap the engine bay, upgraded electric fans, etc). Make sure you replace spark plugs, wires, and check the coils. Ensure the motor is not running rich or lean. And change all the fluids. From there, its up to you @smoky halo
though I would also recommend you perform a compression test so that you can verify engine health and determine how soon you might need to rebuild the motor or start buying parts for a swap
dense shard
oh shit... FD?
I have great advice on how to tune those.
You just keep turning the boost up till the seals blow. You rebuild the engine, and turn the boost back a notch. boom, fixed.
(don't actually do that)
blazing tide
Ah i thought you were saying Civic FDs
Sorry my bad
smoky halo
lol
thanks a lot for the advice
my dad said he may buy a rx7 for us to work on as like a project 🙂 (but i have to pitch in ofc)
i may not get an FD though as they r very expensive
maybe a '91
indigo coral
Hey peoples here I have a question:
My car kinda shakes around, seems like its toward the arse end of the car, when I'm on the highway at 60+ and let off the gas. Once i put power down, it mostly smooths out. Seems to happen more after I've been driving for a while and stuff warms up.
It seems to come and go
sometimes when I let off, it happens, then it'll smooth out for a little bit, and happen again
it's not road surface
stoic ledge
🤔 strange
fathom socket
Tyre balance, or tyre rotation recommended
indigo coral
Recently-ish got it balanced
And it's only when coasting
Once I put power down, it stops
civic spoke
Doesn't sound like it's tires. More likely suspension related.
Or a drive shaft? Idk
stoic ledge
Sounds like drivetrain to me
civic girder
@smoky halo ah. If it's an FC, all the advice still stands. Though cooling upgrades are less of a concern since even the Turbo II (aka T2) FC (single turbo 13B) has adequate cooling.
And I am in an RX-7 discord with lots of FC people who would be able to help you out if you ran into an FC specific problem
carmine summit
how to have a reliable RX7
- buy Porsche 944
- Rotary swap
you get German engineering with a Japanese rotary
what could go wrong
civic girder
Why buy a 944? I literally see no reason
The FB with a na 13B is faster
The FC looks like a 944, but better
RX-7 already has rotary, so you spend less time and money
fathom socket
id have thought an rx7 would cost alot more than a 944
what would you guys use as an alternative to car shampoo when washing it
i dont got none
devout atlas
pfft
alternative car?
there's but only one car
and it's variations
god bless the panther platform
stoic ledge
👀
civic girder
Marauder isn't even that great either lmao
civic girder
Yea, I like that kind of stuff
I would love to get an original 80s Mazda fog light kit, but those don't exist anymore unfortunately
devout atlas
Marauder isn't even that great either lmao
@civic girder it's the best panther
civic girder
🤔
civic girder
I'm not saying it's trash, just saying it's mediocre
You can do worse, but you can also do 10x better
devout atlas
the p71 ints are therefore the best panthers
dirt cheap
and good fun
@civic girder not for comfort, you can't
not in that price range anyhoo
civic girder
If I wanted comfort, I'd get an LTD
If I wanted a panther body, I'd just get an LTD instead
I've never been in a more comfortable car than my buddy's 89 Crown Vic
Mmmm yes, let me go buy a car that does not exist here
And why would I wait 25 years and then buy a car sight unseen from a brand I know absolutely nothing about, not to mention shipping fees and import taxes, over something I could could go pickup and drive home today
devout atlas
if you want comfort
buick lesabre
1969
sure, you'll die if you crash
but you'll die in comfort
civic girder
Yea no
civic girder
Emissions, insurance, and dealing with importing my cars
civic girder
BUT, I'd have to import my RX-7 to europe
And I still don't see why I'd want a Citroen over an 80s American land yacht with the finest of velour seats
civic girder
And suspension so soft that the rocker panels almost scrape the ground when you make a hard turn
fathom socket
this is the american car youre talking about right
civic girder
Yes
civic girder
The only downside to the LTD is the Windsor and 5 digit odo.
fathom socket
haha really 5 digit? very cool
civic girder
I don't think so, but that hydro whatever is probably overrated anyways
fathom socket
cant rate it if you havent tried it
civic girder
Yea 5 digit odo is a nice meme. Really proves that even Ford knew how trash the Windsor was
fathom socket
that just means you can get a free 100k miles without hurting value if you maintain it
all cars should have 5 digit change my min
civic girder
No, 5 digit odos are bad. Its good to know the true mileage
fathom socket
ah but from a selling point of view its great
coolest thing to come out of a vauxhall factory change my mind
stoic ledge
This is definitely superior
fathom socket
damn youre right
dense shard
the p71 ints are therefore the best panthers
I cannot stress enough. These are not cars you want to own.
They're built to take a beating, not much else. If you want any semblance of comfort get a standard CV or Grand Marquis.
As for 5 digit odometers... those are a sign of how long automakers expected their cars to last.
stoic ledge
7 digit odometer when
stoic ledge
Tssssk don't spoil it
dense shard
It was an opel in the end.
fathom socket
vauxhalls are opels doe
devout atlas
yes
fathom socket
but this was basically a lotus
fathom socket
i dont think an opel blitz was built in britain
so not quite a lightweight sports car but the dna is certainly there
dense shard
That's telling.
dense shard
The bottom looks like a jag
The other two could be from pretty much any 70s whatever.
devout atlas
oh no, the top ones are from an ambassador
and you're absolutely correct about the AMC ambassador
dense shard
Yeah, the Ambassador is peak 70s whatever.
stoic ledge
MG Rover saloon thingy
devout atlas
it's not a jag btw
stoic ledge
75 I thibk
devout atlas
it's a rover 75 sedan
dense shard
it looks tragic
dense shard
All of them do.
devout atlas
it looks quite alright
dense shard
But the Rover has no excuses.
stoic ledge
There was also a 75 Wagon btw
dense shard
The floor console is horrific.
stoic ledge
and built by lotus
@turbid onyx with Opel Ecotec (Turbo) engines
dense shard
What academia?
stoic ledge
1999-2005 lol
dense shard
It looks like its head is so far up its own ass it thinks it's fancy.
stoic ledge
uses 1.8 Toyota
dense shard
Nothing academia about it.
devout atlas
dense shard
It looks like something a British politician would drive.
And only because it was gifted to him.
stoic ledge
No the British politicians would drive a Jag
dense shard
probably because it was cheap.
devout atlas
probably because it was cheap.
@dense shard I like it too
dense shard
Most teachers in the US drive something practical.
Like an Accord or Camry.
The cool teachers drive VWs and Subarus.
devout atlas
probably because it was cheap.
@dense shard to me, it seems like the sort of car that you positively must wear tweeds in
@turbid onyx I like the rover too
dense shard
So it's stuffy and blah.
stoic ledge
The cool teachers drive VWs and Subarus.
@dense shard VW cool
stoic ledge
My physics teacher had a Dacia Duster
devout atlas
top lad
stoic ledge
Yes
devout atlas
my french professor had a bloody datsun
dense shard
I drove a Suzuki when I taught in Japan.
devout atlas
not as much as a panther
obviously
I had the Alfa GT at the time.
@turbid onyx the old one?
stoic ledge
God, I love the rover 75
@devout atlas buy one, their basically worthless
stoic ledge
@turbid onyx the old one?
@devout atlas 147 based
dense shard
They're cheap for a good reason.
civic spoke
devout atlas
They're cheap for a good reason.
@dense shard oh
yes
we know
no, the mid 2000s one.
@turbid onyx oh
not the og
smh
dense shard
When you start rebadging Hondas in an effort to make your cars better, you know you fucked up.
devout atlas
XD
When you start rebadging Hondas in an effort to make your cars better, you know you fucked up.
@dense shard that was actually not the 75
those were older cars
dense shard
oh I know.
devout atlas
the 75 was a 3 series underneath
dense shard
🤔
dense shard
A BMW platform wasn't used.
This was in fact not the case: Rover engineers had used the concept of incorporating a central tunnel which had been explored by BMW as part of their own research into front-wheel-drive chassis design, which would have been a departure from the BMW tradition of rear-wheel drive on the majority of its models.
And ultimately used a Ford V8.
devout atlas
At the time of the launch there had been speculation within the media that the Rover 75 used the BMW 5 Series platform, perhaps due to the overall size of the model, the apparent presence of a transmission tunnel and the use of the parent company's rear suspension system. This was in fact not the case: Rover engineers had used the concept of incorporating a central tunnel which had been explored by BMW as part of their own research into front-wheel-drive chassis design, which would have been a departure from the BMW tradition of rear-wheel drive on the majority of its models. As the 75 took shape, this core engineering was passed over to Rover and evolved into the Rover 75 structure[citation needed]. The tunnel concept, along with the rear suspension system, was also used by the Rover engineers for the design of the Mini.
ah
gotcha
it's a remarkably sober car though
I quite liked it
back in the day
especially the older models with the twin headlamps
those were classy
this one
well, it ain't an eight C
that's for sure
how'd it drive?
@turbid onyx you had 2 Gts?
y?
touche
do rover 75s exist in the states?
dense shard
no
devout atlas
ah
dense shard
devout atlas
ooh
stilo abarth
epic
I like it
looks quirky
how bad was it?
oof
that's
not that great
that's about that of a 4.6 ford mod v8
a
the stilo also had many electronic gremlins
@turbid onyx ah, so nothing special for fiat, then
nice
I bet your mechanic had a field day
with that one
oh
stoic ledge
Stilo
stoic ledge
Selespeed was horrible btw
devout atlas
sshhh
nick
you ever planning on livin' with a murican car?
oof
not for europe though, murican cars
dense shard
America makes cars?
dense shard
FCA has 2 sedans left.
Ford is killing the Fusion next year.
GM will phase out most sedans by 2022.
Last I heard, they aren't.
devout atlas
the chrsyler c300
pretend bentley
also, I live in in idealized past
of the 90s and 2000s
dense shard
And unless it's a compact or midsized car, it won't be relevant.
dense shard
Oh boy a Challenger replacement.
FCA is being stupid.
again
M138 is meaningless to me.
Wow... FCA car for America based on a Maserati...
dense shard
The one which currently uses a boosted Pentastar V6.
FCA reputation hasn't improved since the merging in 09.
devout atlas
Lincoln and Cadillac are but empty husks of their former selves
now
nothing now
about damn time
dense shard
Not really.
Amusingly that's the only thing FCA does right in the US.
Even then... why buy a RAM when you can buy a Ford, GM, Toyota, or even Nissan.
smoky halo
They have gotten just so obnoxious over the years it’s unbearable now.
devout atlas
anyway, they're called "charger" and "challenger" on internal presentations. targeted for MY2024 at this time.
@turbid onyx oh, chargers and challengers?
nice
nice
finally, muscle that can handle
dense shard
oh god... so FCA will replace the Mercedes cars after 20 years.
smoky halo
devout atlas
nice
devout atlas
will there be the demon trim?
dense shard
Is FCA going to release a relevant product in the US?