I heard that there was some guy who paid like $12,000 a month to lease one? idk
#cars
indigo coral
it's a decent colour
stoic ledge
Oh, wait. $1,200
Makes sense, base Giulia lease is already €650/month here
Can't even select a Giulia Q
median egret
base giulia is unreliable
and not only here
i mean
other giulia
also unreliable
great car, but the engines
just M113K swap them lmao
and Stage II tune it to 580hp with 900Nm
median egret
lmao
civic girder
No
stoic ledge
Yeah yeah Italian unreliable yeah yeah
median egret
Reliability like a ferrari,
civic girder
Rotary is more reliable than Giulia
median egret
Maserati granturismo also ferrari modular engine
civic girder
I've heard lots of reliability issues with Giulia
stoic ledge
👀
median egret
dont use the ferrari modular engine for reliability
civic girder
Yea, I'd feel more comfortable dailying my RX-7 than owning an Italian car
median egret
If I had money to buy a Giulia GTAm, noone would stop me from M133K swapping it
stoic ledge
Well the 2.9 V6 maybe, buy the 2.0.Turbo is fine
median egret
no
civic girder
though I do really want a Lancia Fulvia
median egret
its also terrible hahaha
even the i4 is not reliable
think of it as half a ferrari modular engine
no V shape, just /
median egret
nah thats the breadvan
civic girder
🤔
civic girder
At some point in my life, after I've obtained and completed all my el cheapo car projects, I'd like to get at least one other classic.
Such as a Lancia Fulvia
or an HB Cosmo with a 12AT
stoic ledge
I've been reading some owners experiences and reviews... And I see nothing bad about the 2.0T
median egret
Soon™️
stoic ledge
🤔
So you have a glass ball which makes you look in to the future?
I'd buy a Veloce
stoic ledge
Don't like Mercedes
civic girder
Just get rotary
silk gate
r26b swap it
civic girder
The biggest misconception about rotaries is what makes people think they are unreliable
Rotaries are reliable
BUT, they have a shorter lifespan than a piston engine
silk gate
yes.
civic girder
even a properly maintained rotary will die shortly after 200k miles at a maximum
but bridgeports will not last very long
median egret
ah
civic girder
and turbos, if your cooling setup isn't adequate, will also not last long
silk gate
just 2 stroke mix the fuel in a rotary
median egret
ah yes
civic girder
yea, I premix my rotary
silk gate
helps with the cooling too
indigo coral
I'd love a Giulia Quad
civic girder
eh, not really
indigo coral
Absolutely amazing car
silk gate
it does
civic girder
maybe help cool the fuel pump
silk gate
same princible as in 2 strokes
stoic ledge
I'd love a Giulia Quad
@indigo coral buy it
civic girder
no. Premix doesn't really help cooling in a rotary. It'd be like premixing a 4 stroke piston engine and expecting it to run cooler
indigo coral
I'll prob end up with a G70 instead
indigo coral
The quad is $$$ and it's less reliable than the G70
stoic ledge
We only got a 280hp Veloce
civic girder
Now, the actual engine oil, that does MASSIVELY help cooling. In fact, rotaries are primarily cooled by oil.
indigo coral
(if I ever even get to have a nice car like the g70, I need something a bit more practical than that)
civic girder
what is that
indigo coral
not sure I'll ever be able to get something impractical tbh.
stoic ledge
Looks like a 2003 design
median egret
I think I'll just keep my W201, that thing looks ew
indigo coral
The G70 has a small trunk unfortunately. Otherwise it would be perfect for me.
It panders to some of my idiosyncrasies
Lol
stoic ledge
Who needs a trunk
indigo coral
Costco runs require big trunk
indigo coral
I've filled the entire back end of my RX
civic girder
that headunit/centerconsole is horrible, but otherwise that interior is actually decent
median egret
nah nothing beats this interior bruh
stoic ledge
Well it's a 2000 FCA headunit
indigo coral
Shopping for 10+ people necessitates quite a bit of stuff lol
median egret
I want an 16v but yeah
stoic ledge
147/156/166... Also head that headunit
median egret
uhhhuh
civic girder
Best interior
stoic ledge
166 was different then?
median egret
NO
stoic ledge
Looks similar
indigo coral
It's shockingly comfortable
civic girder
stoic ledge
I don't know them in that much detail
civic girder
civic girder
Wow, looking at these old interior photos, my idle oil pressure was mega high
But then again, my idle was like 500rpm too high
stoic ledge
Rip
median egret
@civic girder so ur the rotary boi here
civic girder
yes
civic girder
stoic ledge
1.4 Turbo Meriva 170hp whop whop
median egret
im not gonna turbo the 190E tho
stoic ledge
(got it remapped)
stoic ledge
Specifically searched for the 5spd F17 vs the 6spd M32
indigo coral
I wish I could pull an extra 20hp out of my car or sometbing
stoic ledge
5spd with the same power actually has a faster 0-62mph/100kmh time compared to the 6spd, since it can do it in 2nd vs 3rd on the 6spd
It wasn't fixed untill September 2013 lol
So it will happen eventually
I wish I could pull an extra 20hp out of my car or sometbing
Me2, that's adding 25%
dense shard
I wish I could get more fuel economy.
median egret
stoic ledge
Step 1 to reduce fuel economy: stop driving at 85mph
median egret
These under the blue 190E
civic girder
median egret
should I or should I not
civic girder
video from the other night
dense shard
Oh trust me. I drive more slowly than not.
civic girder
revving with the air cleaner off
dense shard
Problem is living in a very hilly area.
stoic ledge
@median egret no
civic girder
you can hear the carb succ
stoic ledge
Problem is living in a very hilly area.
Going downhill is basically using 0 gas
@median egret no again
dense shard
And going up hill uses more than 0 gas.
stoic ledge
Sure but all together it shouldn't really matter
median egret
and yeah kinda stradman ish
stoic ledge
Don't
dense shard
why not just go with the old school monoblock wheels?
median egret
but I love white wheels
stoic ledge
No.
median egret
which ones
dense shard
For a white car, I'd say black wheels are the way to go.
Creates a nice contrast.
Also white on a sports car is asking for it to look grungy af.
median egret
does
dense shard
But that's just me.
civic girder
I'd love to have a white FB
civic girder
but idk if it was an actual factory color option
median egret
and ooo
civic girder
Yea, I know the FC did
dense shard
I mean... it's hard not to know the FC came in white. lol
civic girder
They also look good in yellow
civic girder
median egret
I feel like they could take a pastel pink
civic girder
ew no
civic girder
This was the factory blue option
civic spoke
If I'm getting a newer car. Then it sure as heck isn't going to be black/white.
median egret
dont buy new cars
there are enough
buy classics
unique and actually standing out
civic girder
but that creates a paradox
stoic ledge
If I'm getting a newer car. Then it sure as heck isn't going to be black/white.
Mine's black and white
median egret
depends
civic girder
if you don't buy new cars then there will be no more cars
dense shard
And if we don't buy new cool cars, automakers won't make anything cool or new.
civic girder
^
median egret
yeah ik but
dense shard
no buts
If you only buy used, prepare for the consequences of there being no more manuals.
stoic ledge
🧈
civic spoke
I really like the dark blue you can get for the 3 series.
median egret
an RS4 is kinda fucking casual while a 1971 280S will stand out a lot
dense shard
Also to say older cars are more interesting...
civic girder
Oooh, this has headlight cleaners
dense shard
Dunno if I'd call a 70s Chevette good or interesting.
median egret
depends
stoic ledge
I really like the dark blue you can get for the 3 series.
Yes, but Alpineweiß is also nice as M-Sport
dense shard
They're slower, less convenient, and worse on gas.
civic girder
you'd be surprised how many autos lack gear counts and have shit gearing
dense shard
Corolla, Civic, Fit are notable cases.
stoic ledge
Modern Auto's with 9489593 gears are often more economical
civic spoke
stoic ledge
^ pls gib
dense shard
In the case of larger german cars... automatics are faster.
As for convenience. No contest there. You put in drive and go.
civic spoke
It just sucks how you barely can get manuals anymore.
stoic ledge
But I like shifting myself
dense shard
oh yeah, new safety features have actually rendered manuals obsolete.
civic spoke
But automatics are better for majority of people these days.
dense shard
Even Mazda has admitted the only reason they sell manuals is because they're "more fun."
At least in the Mazda 3.
stoic ledge
They should add a manual to the Turbo Mazda
dense shard
But they won't.
dense shard
I've heard otherwise tbh.
I wasn't massively blown away when I test drove the Mazda 3.
civic girder
Mazda manuals good
civic spoke
I forgot which engines you have to get with the 3 series. But I think it was one of the smaller diesels.
civic girder
paddle shifters are so lame and boring tho
dense shard
Rest is automatic.
civic girder
there's zero effort involved
dense shard
Zero effort is fine.
civic girder
where's my clutch and stick
dense shard
Sometimes I just want to cruise.
stoic ledge
@stoic ledge that is why you get robotized manuals and get something that you can use as a manual or that you can put in full auto mode when you're not feeling like it.
Definitely not as good as moving a physical lever to the wanted gear
median egret
get 190Es cuz theyre best cars
stoic ledge
I'd actually rather have a ZF 8HP than robo manuals
dense shard
Automatic or nothing.
I don't want weird in betweens.
DCT, SMG, automated manuals.
Either I actuate the clutch, or it's a torque converter.
stoic ledge
you need as much mechanical sensibility to drive a robotized transmission correctly as you need to drive a manual
If it's a manual, let me control it. Not some Computer
dense shard
^
civic spoke
I like the clutch in my E46
median egret
sequential transmissions uwu
stoic ledge
Automatic: good
Manual: good
inbetween: blah
@dense shard this
But if I have the choice, manual > auto
All. Day. Long.
dense shard
I haven't found or heard of a smooth shifting clutch based automatic yet.
civic spoke
Automated manual only work for one type of vehicle. Heavy duty trucks.
civic girder
automated manuals or whatever are boring and lame. They shift so fast and the computer holds your hand the entire time. You can't fuck it up because the comptuer won't let you
civic spoke
But even then, I have overheated mine a few times.
dense shard
Oh I wouldn't call em boring.
The Hyundai I test drove was quite eventful... not in a good way.
median egret
this is why electric cars
dense shard
Gimmie a ZF 8 speed.
civic spoke
Uhh. Automates manuals shift fairly slowly. At least compared to dual clutch cars.
stoic ledge
The only auto I'd consider is a ZF 8HP
dense shard
Single clutch automatics tend to be not very smooth, and not daily drivable.
civic girder
dual clutch is also really boring, imo
dense shard
DCT in my experience also isn't very smooth.
stoic ledge
DCT isn't smooth either
dense shard
CVT, torque converted geared automatic or generic manual will be your best bets for comfort.
stoic ledge
And it shifts gear waaay to ofteb
civic girder
"drive like manual"
ok, let me reach for my stick, oh wait
civic girder
depends
civic spoke
Truck shifts are way smoother if I drive it smoother.
dense shard
I mean... at this point my family's CVT has a "like manual" function. I can slap stick that thing.
civic girder
my experience with CVT is pretty good
dense shard
I get 7 gears in sport mode.
civic girder
fake shift CVTs are really shitty
dense shard
I never use it.
stoic ledge
Corolla CVT with augmented gears are actually fine
dense shard
I've heard of a few issues on those.
civic girder
fake shift CVT is worse than automated manuals
civic spoke
My truck has a sports mode as well. It's really just there to hold the gears a tad longer.
median egret
Goodnight
civic girder
at least with an automated manual, there are actual gears
stoic ledge
Cya
dense shard
What is properly automated?
civic spoke
I'mma head to bed as well
dense shard
BMW's was considered near the top, and it wasn't considered great.
stoic ledge
There are no proper automated manuals 
civic girder
^
stoic ledge
Cya as well
dense shard
Hell... BMW dumped clutch based automatics, and went back to torque converters for the M5.
BMW's reasons was "you won't be able to tell it's so fast"
civic girder
In an automated manual, you just put your foot in the floor and fall asleep. You don't even have to lift your foot off the throttle when you shift
median egret
thank u all btw and sleep well to yall too
dense shard
I need to drive a 300k car to experience proper automation?
median egret
💜 💜 💜
stoic ledge
go drive a MC Stradale or a 430 Scuderia and report back, for instance
@turbid onyx ah yes, my neighbor has 3 of those
civic girder
Yea, let me go find a rich friend who has a 430 Scuderia. Those are floating around everywhere
dense shard
Also the 430 tech hasn't trickled down to pedestrian cars.
civic girder
^
dense shard
Could be Ferrari/Fiat have moved on to CVTs and DCTs?
civic girder
Yea, but why do I need to drive a really expensive car to get a taste of something?
dense shard
So you need to spend super car money to get a properly tuned gear box.
And at that price point you can't even get a manual to begin with.
stoic ledge
I can spend 15k and get a properly perfect manual
dense shard
I spent 23k and got a good enough manual.
stoic ledge
With fast shifts
civic girder
That's the same argument that having lots of horsepower is extremely necessary
Its not.
dense shard
Toyota's stuff isn't perfect, but it is super comfy to drive.
Actually the Corolla is astoundingly easy to drive.
stoic ledge
Mine's not super comfy since it has the sport suspension... Which is necessary with 83hp
civic girder
If I had the opportunity to drive a 430 Scuderia, I would pass
stoic ledge
Gearbox is fabulous tho
dense shard
If I had the opportunity, I'd drive it.
But I judge cars by daily driving potential.
stoic ledge
I'd drive it
dense shard
I'd love to track it, but lol no money.
civic girder
I feel like if I were to drive one, it would either be so good that anything else would feel lackluster afterwards, or it would be so uninspiring based upon my beliefs and past experiences that I would see it as a waste of time
dense shard
My only worry is it would fall short of the Civic Si, and a well built Galant VR-4.
stoic ledge
I'd waste my time at a Ferrari
dense shard
I'd so waste my time on a Ferrari.
Given the opportunity, gimmie.
Do I want to own one? No. Too stressful. Do I want to drive one, yeah gimmie.
civic girder
The only Ferrari's I'd actually want to drive, would be a 250 or a 288. Maybe a Testarossa.
dense shard
I will drive literally any Ferrari.
stoic ledge
Same
dense shard
Cause I'm gonna get an experience an any Ferrari.
civic girder
The only Lamborghinis I'd drive, would be a Countach
dense shard
Novelty, rarity, speed, sound. Each one has something special going for it.
Lambo... same. Any Lambo, any time period.
civic girder
For me, high speed is a downside.
rarity means nothing
novelty is highly subjective
sound and feel/handling are all that matter to me
dense shard
Then Ferrari has those two with their more recent cars.
In fact they tend to have more of those than most other automakers.
civic girder
And personally, most supercars don't even sound that good
partially due to DCTs
not to mention turbos and efi
dense shard
Nothing wrong with electronic fuel injectin.
Hell... we've moved on to direct injection these days.
civic girder
yes, but personally I think it sounds bland and uninspired
dense shard
I wouldn't call modern ferrari bland.
Well my Corolla has duel injection, so I'm on the cutting edge.
civic girder
port injection has been around for decades lmao
dense shard
Not just emissions.
More flexible power, and more of it.
true
And washes the valves off.
civic girder
tbh, you need port in addition to direct if you want reliability
dense shard
I think my Toyota has it regardless.
normal temple
Me whenever I try to invent new fueling systems
civic girder
Just run carb. Cheap, easy, sounds good
and in na, minimal loss in power vs fuel injection
civic girder
push button start.....oof
dense shard
What's wrong with a button?
dense shard
A key isn't a huge deal for me.
dense shard
And a button makes me feel like I'm in the future.
civic girder
The NC Miata did it right, I think
dense shard
And no key chains dangling into my knee.
civic girder
wireless, but you still turn to start
civic girder
For me, its all about the experience. If something does something I don't want it to do, or doesn't do it the way I expect, then its just not worth it to me
normal temple
Offroad car I swear
civic girder
that's called FCA
dense shard
Toyota's system is nice enough.
civic girder
they do that shit on the daily
civic girder
ew, start up sequence
dense shard
bruh
You are sounding really really salty right now.
Do you like anything at all, or do you yearn for crank start and leaded gas?
stoic ledge
Start up sequence:
- make sure it's in neutral and/or the clutch is in
- turn key
- profit
civic girder
^
civic girder
I don't want to like, push a button and wait for a bunch of shit to do its thing
I shouldn't have to wait for the computer to do its thing
I should just be able to get in, turn it on, and be gucci
dense shard
I can push my button and go
civic girder
I say as I sit in the driveway for 10 minutes with the choke out on the RX-7
stoic ledge
Perfect
dense shard
car just skips the show
normal temple
The choke makes you work for it
normal temple
you took it literally
civic girder
I mean ig
idk
just go around and check tire pressure, get music setup, send a text or two
its not a big deal
normal temple
Mmmm
civic girder
I'd do the same on any other manual choke car
normal temple
Proper way to startup from cold is to have your foot flat to the floor while cranking
civic girder
cries in missing apex seals
that's a one way ticket to an absolutely fucked rotary
we're talking absolutely zero salvageable components
stoic ledge
stoic ledge
grinds gears
normal temple
Gotta double clutch or else you are boned
normal temple
I think its good insurance haha @civic girder
civic girder
My uncle's Jeep didn't have a synchro for 3rd gear and I shifted to 3rd without grinding or bucking
I need that in the RX-7 lmfao
civic girder
I double clutch my RX-7 on cold days before the trans warms up
tight cypress
what are cold days for ya
dense shard
No start up song, but it's still a fun event.
civic girder
50F and below
tight cypress
speak C
civic girder
gib me a sec to do math
tight cypress
maht time
civic girder
10C or lower
tight cypress
10c is warm
i almost ran it to redline when it was -30c
hmh yes warmin up
also clutch kicked
dense shard
Hit the button, wait for things to settle down, and then I can.
No reason to gas it on start up.
civic girder
I mean, I redline my RX-7 in cold temps. After the engine and trans/diff have reached operating temperature
tight cypress
i did when it was cold as hell
stoic ledge
@dense shard does your car bong when you turn it on?
tight cypress
hmh smoke'nt
stoic ledge
I hate that
dense shard
It pings twice.
stoic ledge
dense shard
Accessories on ping to remind you.
civic girder
The Prius beeps twice during startup as well.
dense shard
It's a non-issue.
stoic ledge
It just needs to start. I know I started it. I twisted the key/pressed the button. I don't need confirmation
civic girder
beep to say you turned it on, beep to say hybrid system started successfully and you are ready to go
dense shard
There isn't a single noise in my car that annoys me.
If you want annoying.
Japanese cars beep at you when you are in reverse.
dense shard
Why would my own farts annoy me?
civic girder
Everyone who rides in the Prius is instantly annoyed by the reverse beep
dense shard
But it's not that annoying.
civic girder
I'm so used to it
dense shard
I spent maybe 20 seconds a day reversing.
civic girder
I've known this car since the day it came off the dealer lot
its ingrained into me as just a part of the experience
stoic ledge
This loaner car beeped 5 times... It's Soo annoying, can't handle it xD
dense shard
I spent more time opening chopstick packets than I did reversing.
normal temple
The prius experience
civic girder
@stoic ledge ah, one of those key on beepers. I hate that. P sure Fords do that too, like my dad's Fusion
stoic ledge
I have to reverse of the drive way, with a car parked 0.2" of the wall. So I have to back up slow
dense shard
Y'all have weird annoyances.
stoic ledge
@stoic ledge ah, one of those key on beepers. I hate that. P sure Fords do that too, like my dad's Fusion
@civic girder I hate it so much lol
normal temple
https://youtu.be/tBzUqKnZwKU key on beep
tight cypress
my car doesnt even beep at all
stoic ledge
https://youtu.be/tBzUqKnZwKU key on beep
@normal temple yikes
civic girder
tight cypress
what temps on dis cold start yes
civic girder
probs around 3 or 4 C
civic girder
bruh
normal temple
40c is a coldstart
tight cypress
i cant count 0c as a cold start
stoic ledge
I know the ignition is on, I turned the key... I know the engine is runnig, I can hear it... No need for beeps
tight cypress
because -20c is still kinda warm
civic girder
its a cold start regardless of ambient temps if the engine is not near operating temperature lmao
dense shard
-20C is not warm.
tight cypress
it is
stoic ledge
Nein
dense shard
It is fucking cold.
normal temple
I use the beeps as an indication the fuel pump is done priming @stoic ledge
Cause that's how my car works
civic girder
not everyone lives in Antarctica bro
tight cypress
i live in finland
dense shard
Clutch in, button pressed, car starts.
civic girder
for some of us, 0C is normal for cold star
stoic ledge
I use the beeps as an indication the fuel pump is done priming @stoic ledge
@normal temple ah... Well you can hear that usually as well... My car doesn't need that usually
normal temple
Fair, my pump is only loud when outside
tight cypress
never seen anyone sayin 0c is cold start
civic girder
You can literally hear my fuel pump
normal temple
Weeeeeeee
tight cypress
find taim
civic girder
so I just run key on on for a couple sec so there's pressure at the carb
you can hear the pump in my vid
stoic ledge
dense shard
sure
normal temple
yesno
dense shard
Corollas are nice.
dense shard
Just get ready to pay the tofu tax.
civic girder
The RX-7 has been sitting for a couple days, I kinda want to see if it will start without the choke
tight cypress
imagine eatin tofu
normal temple
https://youtu.be/Po9sdOx2kuQ this is truly the ultimate coldstart
dense shard
tofu is tasty.
stoic ledge
Do it eastman
dense shard
worth a try
civic girder
tofu is nasty
civic girder
but I'm a meat snob
tight cypress
tofu doesnt look good
stoic ledge
🧀
tight cypress
kaas does
dense shard
So prep it, and cook it.
dense shard
It's a blank culinary canvas.
civic girder
I despise vegan foods. None I've tried has tasted remotely edible
stoic ledge
I despise vegan foods. None I've tried has tasted remotely edible
@civic girder agreed
tight cypress
agree
tight cypress
veggies cant taste good
dense shard
I've had some atrocious meat an veg in the past.
tight cypress
no matter what
dense shard
...
dense shard
I guess I am now.
tight cypress
:amger:
dense shard
Use the white spice. It's called salt.
tight cypress
salt+salad
stoic ledge
White 👀
tight cypress
hmh maybe not
dense shard
Well it's not really a spice.
tight cypress
yeah
civic girder
ye
tight cypress
🅱️ery
stoic ledge
Dorito go brrr
stoic ledge
Oof
tight cypress
literally powar
stoic ledge
Want to see the fastest car launch ever?
tight cypress
yes
stoic ledge
dense shard
are we there yet?
civic girder
your Corsa sounds better than my RX-7 lmao
dense shard
okay, that was perfect timing on your part
stoic ledge
tight cypress
woah
civic girder
I need to do my exhaust yesterday
tight cypress
finally my renoolt is better than smthin else
stoic ledge
It's actually a bit faster now, I can do it in a whopping 14 seconds
tight cypress
lightweight racer?
stoic ledge
Yes, it's a race car since it has a sports suspension
civic girder
I wonder if I can get the RX-7 to 60mph faster than 15 sec now
civic girder
car is cold lmao
stoic ledge
Heat it up
indigo coral
I wonder if I can get 0-60 faster than 10 seconds
tight cypress
i wonder if i can get 100-0 in 1km
stoic ledge
Yesn't
civic girder
I should also test the Prius 0-60 sometime
civic girder
the RX-7 only has front brakes rn
stoic ledge
renoolt doesnt have brakes yes
@tight cypress smash a tree
tight cypress
drum brakes only
dense shard
Don't have money to take part in races.
civic girder
my rear drums are virtually inoperable at the moment.
stoic ledge
Front brakes = 90% of the breaking
civic girder
the rear brakes do something
dense shard
Define significant.
stoic ledge
Sure, 10%
dense shard
Cause accelerated tire wear is a pretty huge cost.
civic girder
I can tell because my pedal pulsates like a bucking bull
tight cypress
-18 mondeo brakes are just awful
stoic ledge
My tires need replacing anyway
civic girder
what
tight cypress
tap the pedal lil bit and ya stop
civic girder
racing on open public roads sounds bad
civic girder
are the roads closed
stoic ledge
Racing a Corsa is like driving normal in any other car
dense shard
That doesn't exist in the US.
tight cypress
ah yes
dense shard
It's basically a time trial. Trick isn't to do it asap, but do it in an average speed/time.
dense shard
Legality is questionable.
civic girder
racing in open traffic sounds like not legal
dense shard
In the US at any rate.
tight cypress
racing on gravel roads is legal
if ya dont get caught
same for everythin else on this planet
civic girder
hmmm
stoic ledge
No in the US you rent a Mustang, fill it with gas tanks and go coast to coast
dense shard
And a racing license costs how much?
Cause any cost over free at this point is a pretty tall barrier for me.
civic girder
have job
stoic ledge
Still no job?
dense shard
I don't.
civic girder
oof
stoic ledge
Rip
dense shard
Because the fucking economy remains in shambles.
stoic ledge
Rip
civic girder
I start on the 16th
dense shard
If I'm lucky I'll have a job this year.
stoic ledge
I just got a contact for unlimited time on my student job
So I'm good 2 go
Yeah I'm familiar with them
GT 👀
That's why Alfa's have their plate on the side
That was yours?
Nice
Do I see... A tan interior 👀
dense shard
Only one time rally in the US.
" It sponsors a variety of events of interest to owners of all types of MGs and closely related automobiles."
and go figure, they aren't open to outsiders.
stoic ledge
Pls gib
dense shard
oh and it's an 80 dollar fee to sign up for the event on top of a 25 dollar a year fee.
stoic ledge
A colleague of mine has a black 147 with red leather interior But like, one of the last model year. It's nice
I like the facelift more
156 pre-facelift yes
dense shard
And the only other event is in... oh boy the west coast.
dense shard
That's only a 4 days drive away.
dense shard
At least it isn't open to only MGs... so that's a plus.
stoic ledge
Ah
Zhe Vectra engine
Or Zafira
True
So did the 1.9 JTD iirc
Ohno
Friend had a 159 diesel with every option, but manual windows in the rear
dense shard
oof
stoic ledge
Also: very low amount of rear leg room lol
dense shard
diesels are funny.
dense shard
Doesn't change the fact diesels are torque bois.
dense shard
Yes, but the engine speeds are much much lower.
A TDI will get full torque early on. My car needs to be wound out for torque.
stoic ledge
Well a modern gas turbo also has low end torque
dense shard
I don't have a turbo.
stoic ledge
stoic ledge
Spoily boiis
dense shard
People want power, government wants fuel efficiency. So modern automakers make small displacement turbos. You get power and fuel economy at the cost of longevity.
I'm perfectly willing to trade power for longevity.
I want my car to outlast me.
stoic ledge
I'll be 3 cars further down the line when this one stops running
dense shard
I wanna hit a million miles.
stoic ledge
Kek I'll probably sell this one after 2 years with like 110k miles on it
Because I'd want something bigger/faster/better equipped
For it to reach 1M miles, I'd need to drive it until I'm in the grave
dense shard
I can see myself upgrading to something bigger in the future.
dense shard
I'll see.
dense shard
I'll probably end up with a Prius or Camry.
stoic ledge
I want a Insignia B (2019 Regal) Grand Sport (hatchback) 1.6 Turbo manual since I expect those to be fairly affordable. Alfa Giulia doesn't depreciate fast enough
stoic ledge
dense shard
As long as the option exists it'll be nice.
tight cypress
clutch kicking it means
dense shard
But don't count on it.
stoic ledge
1.4T is too little, 2.0T was taxed too high. 1.6T is just fine
Lowest Giulia sold here was the 2.0T 200hp
🤔
dense shard
same as the US
dense shard
We get the 2.0T.
stoic ledge
No diesel for me, not with 2000 USD/year tax
dense shard
I imagine it's the same engine with a different tune.
tight cypress
fuel oil time @stoic ledge
stoic ledge
We got 200/280 2.0T and the 2.9 V6
dense shard
US has no manual.
stoic ledge
Rip
tight cypress
weird names
stoic ledge
No u
tight cypress
still sounds weird
stoic ledge
https://www.broekhuis.nl/images/vehicleimages/16524012/600_900/image_1.jpg
I'll probably get this next, with a manual
And the auto 2.0T? That was also ZF iirc
stoic ledge
https://www.broekhuis.nl/images/vehicleimages/16524012/600_900/image_1.jpg
I'll probably get this next, with a manual
@stoic ledge rip this specific one is an auto
Good
dense shard
if I'm lucky I'll be car shopping soon.
fathom socket
guess your only option is a 4c
stoic ledge
Get a QV Giulietta
dense shard
At least we got the Yaris GR.
fathom socket
giulia has a nice design tho
fathom socket
bad utility vehicle
dense shard
So a crossover.
stoic ledge
Maybe soon a new MiTo on the PSA 208 platform
dense shard
lol
fathom socket
if they make a crossover they might aswell make a hatchback
stoic ledge
B-segment is smoll cross-over, like the EcoSport
dense shard
oof
fathom socket
same underbody usually
dense shard
That entire segment is kinda miserable apart from like... 2 cars.
stoic ledge
Just for your frame of reference
fathom socket
yeah i wouldnt go anywhere near a crossover
stoic ledge
Same
dense shard
If I was shopping for a small first car and I didn't care about manuals.
I'd probably go for a Hyundai Venue or Nissan Nicks.
stoic ledge
Both reeeeeeeeeeeeee
dense shard
good packaging, great price.
fathom socket
the front end is nice but the proportions would be way better on a saloon
stoic ledge
Just get the regular hatchbacks instead of the CUVs
Oeh that interior looks nice
Exterior... Not sure yet
dense shard
The Nissan Kicks has a nicely sized cargo bay.
Nissan doesn't offer a hatchback anymore.
stoic ledge
Yes they do
dense shard
Hyundai... well the Elantra GT isn't exactly cheap.
stoic ledge
Yes I know
fathom socket
so u have a mito rn
stoic ledge
Mazda 2
dense shard
I might need the extra ground clearance for going mountain biking.
Or having extra boot space to store a bike.
stoic ledge
You need this Monte
I'm looking at maybe getting the new 500e
Kek I expected that lol
fathom socket
god damn that is beautiful
dense shard
A hitch rack isn't practical for me.
stoic ledge
A hitch rack isn't practical for me.
@dense shard it's built in to the car
fathom socket
yeah the 500e looks pretty nice
stoic ledge
knock knock
dense shard
It looks like it attaches to a factory hitch point.
stoic ledge
No
dense shard
Something my car doesn't offer anyway.
stoic ledge
It comes out of the bumper
fathom socket
^
dense shard
ah I see that now.
stoic ledge
stoic ledge
Opel was the only one who did that
dense shard
My only option is to get a hitch rack, and those don't work in my area.
fathom socket
move house ez
dense shard
Toyota doesn't recommend it, and I'd have clearance issues.
I'll probably just pay out the ass for a roof rack.
stoic ledge
Corsa-e
fathom socket
208-e
dense shard
At least Toyota's roof bars are nice as far as OEM options go.
stoic ledge
I sit worse in it than in my Corsa D, but then I'm a tall boi
e-208 is also way to expensive compared to the Corsa brother
fathom socket
all that extra dosh on interior design i guess
stoic ledge
fathom socket
now that wouldve been epic
dense shard
There's a good chance Nissan and Renault will break up.
fathom socket
the interior of the corsa aint bad but i think the peugot one looks quite alot better
dense shard
Carlos really fucked over everything.
stoic ledge
Corsa has HVAC buttons == superior
fathom socket
eXCUSEME
stoic ledge
No
Btw, anybody seen this
https://electrek.co/2020/07/04/tesla-updates-warranty-problematic-media-unit-touchscreen/
dense shard
"The trick to making Nissan profitable is to cost cut... in fact let's make the engines out of plastic!"
stoic ledge
"The trick to making Nissan profitable is to cost cut... in fact let's make the engines out of plastic!"
1.3T also used by Mercedes
dense shard
So 15 years later. Nissan is stuck with crap reputation, falling profits, and an under utilized factory infrastructure.
And a shit relationship with a French car company.
stoic ledge
The Renault platforms are the only thing keeping them upright at the moment tho
dense shard
True. Too bad those are getting on in age as well.
Nissan's underlying tech is actually pretty solid.
Lack of QC and cost cutting is really the biggest issue they have.
stoic ledge
Yeah, but that's also Nissan's fault... For example the platform of the Versa, Renault had it in 2012, Nissan uses it for like a 2018
dense shard
Ghosn forced it.
It was a cost cutting measure to let Nissan undercut itself.
I mean competition.
stoic ledge
Dacia actually developed their own platform
Which is actually used by Nissan for the Kicks iirc
Yes
dense shard
Apparently the current Kicks is still on a Nissan platform.
The new Indian market Kicks is a rebadged Duster.
stoic ledge
Dacia's are nearly just as modern as Nissan's tho, they also use the latest Renault engines
dense shard
Dacia is basically Nissan in the Renault relationship.
They're both second tier companies in the order of things.
stoic ledge
Ah, then that's why I saw the Kicks name on the platform list
dense shard
I imagine the India car will make it to the US eventually.
stoic ledge
Even before that, the Sandero immediately got the 0.9 TCe from the start
dense shard
oh wait... nvm.
dense shard
Nissan V is the Renault/Dacia B0 platform.
They're the one and same. Joint development.
stoic ledge
Kek
Well "joint"... Nissan only started using it now, didn't they?
And Dacia back in 2012
dense shard
nah, they've been using it for the same amount of time.
stoic ledge
Or 2013
dense shard
The second generation platform came around in 2010.
Nissan Versa, Micra, so on and so forth.
OG platform since 2002.
stoic ledge
Ah the B0 is just a stretched B-platform
civic girder
RX-7 0-60 felt faster, but I didn't film or otherwise time it
stoic ledge
Oof
dense shard
An independent rear suspension replaces the torsion beam rear suspension found in the past three generation Sylphy/Sentra's.
yay 4th gen Sentra.
civic girder
What's wrong with torsion bean
dense shard
Not dynamic.