And unless you are a boomer, a lower to the ground car will be more difficult to get in/out of.
#cars
dense shard
"You still won't be able to see the car right in front of you with the big SUVs."
I'm only responding to what you said.
fathom socket
It's about the hood being long and just straight
dense shard
Those can be the same on sedans.
I'm not seeing how styling elements are relevant here.
fathom socket
Yeah but sedans are much closer to the ground
dense shard
Also a hatchback will be pretty damn useless in the snow without proper snow tires.
But a crossover absolutely gives the perception of being more rugged.
More capable.
dense shard
That's fine.
fathom socket
Which aren't that different when it comes to rough conditions
dense shard
RWD isn't something you want in icey conditions.
Most people aren't used to oversteer.
fathom socket
FWD is as much useless as FWD
indigo coral
The new Explorer is rwd
dense shard
What is your point exactly?
fathom socket
@indigo coral it is not
indigo coral
Does not help with stopping
dense shard
The marketing reality of crossovers dominating is hard to deny.
dense shard
AWD will give the edge over 2 wheels driven.
indigo coral
^
indigo coral
My car does pretty damn well in the snow and it's AWD crossover
I was actually really impressed
fathom socket
But it won't drive all the wheels that's the problem
dense shard
AWD drives all the wheels when the situation calls for it.
fathom socket
There is a video on this matter showing how useless most AWD vehicles are
dense shard
link it?
fathom socket
It was some Subaru advertisement
indigo coral
Idk, my RX launches a hell of a lot better in snow than my mom's old Five Hundred did
dense shard
It's a longitudinal mounted engine.
And they've tuned it to work better. It's a full time AWD system.
dense shard
Most other cars have a part time AWD system. It saves on weight and gives a boost to fuel economy.
fathom socket
Then it's 4WD
fathom socket
AWD only spins the wheels with the most grip
dense shard
That's not how it works.
dense shard
^
"AWD systems, both full-time and part-time, generally operate with no input from the driver, although some offer selectable modes that allow a degree of control over how much power goes where. All the wheels get torque through a series of differentials, viscous couplings and/or multiplate clutches, which help distribute power to the wheels so that the car's traction is optimized. The vehicle still operates smoothly under normal conditions."
indigo coral
ngl I'm surprised mines full time awd
fathom socket
What I mean by "It's not full time"
dense shard
dense shard
Subaru's is full time AWD.
fathom socket
So technically you can't call it Full Time
indigo coral
mine powers all 4 wheels, 50/50 front rear torque split
fathom socket
Subaru uses this symmetrical AWD something system I really don't get
dense shard
It's not hard to get.
fathom socket
Can't talk about subaru
dense shard
Their hardware layout is symmetrical.
fathom socket
No as in what kind of differentials they use
dense shard
It's a longitudinal engine mounted inline to a transmission which then has equal length axles.
Subaru doesn't use magic.
It's either open, clutch based, or torsen.
Depends on the car in question.
STI and WRX use fancier stuff.
indigo coral
apparently in 99 there was an optional limited slip
dense shard
Lower end models have open diffs and use brakes to control wheel spin.
indigo coral
On my RX
dense shard
Interesting.
That would arguably mean that later RX's are "inferior"
As they're on demand.
indigo coral
Well I'll be damned, my car is full time AWD with limited slip diff. That would explain why it's good in the snow 😂😂😂
dense shard
lol
indigo coral
My mom's car is on demand I think
dense shard
I imagine that won't hurt.
fathom socket
Also how did this get here from "AWD is better at snow and FWDs are useless without snow tyres"
What I'm trying to say is they are both useless in snow without snow tyres
indigo coral
AWD starts out better but it doesn't help with stopping
indigo coral
all else being equal
fathom socket
It really doesn't start out better
dense shard
It does.
indigo coral
It does
dense shard
But it won't help with turning or stopping.
fathom socket
If you can call a baby crawling being faster than an adult tiptoeing
indigo coral
That's a strange analogy lol
indigo coral
Lol
fathom socket
I think y'all should buy hatchbacks again and make the hatchback more popular
dense shard
You bought it brand new?
fathom socket
Woa woa does it look like I'm made of money
dense shard
🤔
fathom socket
I'm a student slow down
dense shard
Automakers don't care if hatchbacks are selling in the second hand market.
civic girder
4WD has splits and automatic control. AWD is hard set always spinning wheels at a certain torque split
dense shard
If you want automakers to notice, you gotta buy new.
fathom socket
Well I'm not the demographic an automaker targets
dense shard
If you are buying a car, you are in their demographic.
fathom socket
With an SUV or a hatchback
dense shard
It's a remarkably low bar to clear.
indigo coral
My next car might be a sedan if I don't end up buying a newer RX
fathom socket
I don't think they are looking for people who can't pay for them
dense shard
Also Subaru's "Symmetrical AWD" is special only because each wheel "has equal power going to it."
Basically the hardware is laid out "symmetrically"
dense shard
I did.
indigo coral
^
fathom socket
Good job
fathom socket
Corolla hatches are cool
dense shard
I'm amazed Falcon and Eastman haven't told me to shut up about it yet.
lol
It's a very good car. 
indigo coral
I like them too
dense shard
2.0L manual.
fathom socket
People who buy Toyota hatches usually go for the Yaris
dense shard
Apparently a rare trim.
fathom socket
It is
fathom socket
Well we have the Gazoo Yaris
fathom socket
Probably a Yaris with a slight make up
dense shard
Yaris is dying as of next year in the US.
fathom socket
Or something along those lines
dense shard
We only get the Mazda 2 rebadge to boot.
fathom socket
What's ironic is that "Yaris" means "Race"
In my language
Yeah that's a total racecar alright
dense shard
Toyota should have kept the Tercel name.
fathom socket
I agree
dense shard
That lined up with Toyota's naming ethos.
fathom socket
Trueno is also something like that
I think
Levin too
The names they used for the different trims levels of Corollas
dense shard
It was all takes on royalty.
Auris was latin for gold or something like that.
Too bad the Auris is dead as a nameplate.
Auris sounds cooler than Corolla hatchback.
fathom socket
Well wasn't it just a Corolla hatch anyways
dense shard
Sort of.
dense shard
It was a more cargo oriented car.
fathom socket
But Im pretty sure they both used the same E chassis
dense shard
Sort of.
fathom socket
It's not sort of
dense shard
The last generation Corolla had a different suspension setup.
dense shard
The USDM Corollas had a solid rear axle, the Auris had an independent rear suspension.
fathom socket
I've never heard of Corollas having solid rear suspension in here
dense shard
Welcome to the realties of the US market.
fathom socket
So that doesn't explain the EU situation
I think it was all a trim level difference here
dense shard
US got a slightly different car than the rest of the world got.
fathom socket
Wow lucky you, first time you got something different
Even if that thing is objectively worse
dense shard
We also got several generations of the Mustang, Charger, Camaro.
fathom socket
Well because they were built there
I mean as in getting imports
I also like some people complaining about car manufacturers not bringing their cool cars to the US while being well aware of how that car would do in the US market.
dense shard
Only people who complain about a lack of choice are the people who never buy new cars anyway.
The loudest car fans are the least likely to actually buy a cool car if offered.
fathom socket
The Subaru Legacy Spec B and the manual M5s were examples of these
And the Mazdaspeed 6
They all did terrible in the US
Granted they also wouldn't do terrific in the EU either
dense shard
Because the Legacy was already a niche car to begin with.
Adding a manual while adding cost only niche'd it more.
Same for the Mazda 6.
fathom socket
So are all the cars that people complaining about them not coming to the US
dense shard
It was a wonderful performance car, but manual only in the US is a death sentence.
fathom socket
Almost all of them are niche
dense shard
Car fans aren't a huge market to begin with.
fathom socket
Yea
dense shard
Fewer still willing to actually buy a new car.
As for BMW... well the automatics gave better performance after a point.
fathom socket
Explains why the Impala SS did so crap in the early 2010s
dense shard
oh easy.
Zero marketing, and who would pay 45k for a chevy?
Chevy brought over the SS, and failed to tell anyone.
They listened to teh car fans, and thought car fans would support the SS alone. That didn't happen.
fathom socket
Zero marketing? Every magazine in the US just didn't stop sucking it's things
It's just that normal people didn't care
dense shard
GM did a few months of marketing, and never followed up.
fathom socket
All I know is that it's some rebadged Holden
dense shard
That's all there is to it.
GM thought that merely bringing over a RWD sedan would be enough.
dense shard
unknown.
fathom socket
As the Elcamino
dense shard
And how much would it cannibalize sales of the smaller truck offerings?
Ford and GM are still distant thirds in the mid truck race in the US.
fathom socket
Well it's a sporty pickup so
dense shard
Toyota and Nissan... fucking Nissan. dominate.
I don't think Ford and GM could afford to add a new truck when their current trucks are already struggling.
dense shard
I don't think it would have mattered personally.
By the time it caught on, GM would have given up.
dense shard
Holden as a company is dead.
fathom socket
Yea
dense shard
As is Ford Australia.
Both could have been saved easily enough imo.
But that requires effort.
indigo coral
Ford America is circling the drain
fathom socket
And money
dense shard
I don't think it would have taken too much money.
Ford had been using the same engine for 60 years at that point.
They could have changed over to a turbo 2.3 or 3.5L engine.
fathom socket
Well their car sales were crippling in the eastern part of the world
Except for Ford
dense shard
lol Ford.
fathom socket
Ford is still somewhat strong
dense shard
They bailed on Japan in 2016.
dense shard
GM in China is doing much better than Ford.
Ford has a toe hold in India... but that's literally it.
fathom socket
Some in the middle east as well
dense shard
Ford doesn't exist in Korea last I heard, GM is there out of spite I'm pretty sure.
I don't think the Middle East will carry either of the Americans.
I hear they love Nissan and Toyota tho.
fathom socket
For pickups absolutely
And normal cars too
But ford still has a presence
Compared to GM which just pulled in the literal sense
And they don't even own Opel/Vauxhall anymore
fathom socket
Vauxhall/Opel was pretty much the only hold they had in EU
And middle east
With GM themselves bugging off back at like late 2000s
dense shard
Don't worry. Government will bail em out.
dense shard
What new cars?
fathom socket
Tipo
dense shard
That's new?
dense shard
2015 release?
fathom socket
Hey that's almost new
dense shard
Let's stick to industry definition of new... Not Chrysler's.
fathom socket
Let's talk about successful businesses
Like Dacia
And how it's taking the EU by storm
dense shard
The budget Renault.
fathom socket
As if the Renault wasn't already budget
dense shard
It's not like the Romanians can do any worse.
Well they can't, but the doing better part was a nice surprise.
fathom socket
They are doing somewhat nice
dense shard
It's working for Nissan and Hyundai in the US.
fathom socket
Since there is always a market for cheap cars
dense shard
Amusingly toyota is losing ground in the smaller car market in the US.
fathom socket
Aren't Hyundai's new cars somewhat nice
I like some of em
As in new I mean like the cars they make now
Compared to cars they used to make like the Accent
dense shard
I wouldn't call Hyundai budget in the US anymore.
dense shard
That's more Ford and Nissan nowadays.
They're mainstream for sure.
Their pricing isn't budget.
fathom socket
What about Suzuki
Last I heard of them was they were getting a new swift out
And that was like 3 years ago
Actually I don't think I've seen any Suzuki's in the road since last year
Have they been vanished
dense shard
Suzuki died in the US.
They sell motorcycles and recreational stuff these days here.
fathom socket
F
dense shard
Suzuki is massive in India.
fathom socket
Oh yea their small 3 cylinder cars
dense shard
They actually were the most profitable automaker in the world in 2018 I believe.
Ignoring smaller scale automakers.
They hit something like 12% profit margins. lol
dense shard
GM's doing well because they offer cars the Chinese want.
fathom socket
What do they want
dense shard
Whatever GM is buying.
I hear GM EVs are quite nice in China.
Better than the Bolt.
dense shard
also that.
fathom socket
Also where is Chinese people pulling this amount of money from
Thought they were all poor
Turns out
I am the poor
dense shard
That hasn't been the case since 2010.
The Chinese middle class' buying power is massive.
Even if only a quarter of their population can afford a car... that's still 250 million people.
fathom socket
Was it China that had the Car License lottery?
dense shard
Yep.
fathom socket
Or was it North Korea?
fathom socket
Yikes
dense shard
But to aid the shift to EVs, no lottery to register EVs.
fathom socket
What unfair
dense shard
We're lucky to be able to drive. lol
fathom socket
Just because I want a gas guzzling machine
What drive?
They force me to wear a mask while driving
Fuck that
I won't drive
fathom socket
Well try wearing a mask and glasses
dense shard
I have, and I do.
fathom socket
Wtf how do you see
dense shard
What do you mean?
fathom socket
My glasses always get steamy
dense shard
Wait... you actually breathe? lol
fathom socket
Because I breathe out
dense shard
Like... are they tall or not very tall?
Like my previous pair were kinda rectangles. My new pair is more rounded.
dense shard
dammit 😂
dense shard
oh wait
fathom socket
The longer square
fathom socket
Rectangle?
dense shard
do you look like dave or robert?
fathom socket
A mix of both
dense shard
Cause my glasses are more left.
fathom socket
So I'm davebert
dense shard
Also I kinda wear my glasses on my mask. I pull it up very high on my nose.
fathom socket
Nah I can't for the live of my life see with a mask
dense shard
well lifehack for when you drive.
fathom socket
That's a serious safety hazard
dense shard
Pull it down to uncover your nose.
fathom socket
They pull you over to see if you are wearing it correctly
dense shard
the fuck
fathom socket
Don't ask
dense shard
I mean... you are technically wearing the mask.
fathom socket
Like 150 US dollars
dense shard
Just... not over your nose. Surely they'd understand if you told em about the fogging issue.
fathom socket
When converted
dense shard
Which country are you in again?
fathom socket
Turkey
dense shard
ah, I see.
fathom socket
Still I won't risk 800 Turkish buckaroos
dense shard
yeah, that's fair.
fathom socket
Just to go get some friggin pizza
dense shard
Be safe.
dense shard
150 USD... that's about 2 weeks of groceries in the US for 2 people.
fathom socket
2 weeks
dense shard
Hell I could probably go a month by myself.
dense shard
If I had to stretch my budget. I could go a long way tbh.
fathom socket
As we don't import a lot of food
The lands of Anatolia bore plenty resources
I mean a single city can produce more tea than the Nation can consume
And we drink more tea than the English
dense shard
I need to drink more tea.
indigo coral
In my state is now a misdemeanor if you're caught without a mask
indigo coral
?
dense shard
Mask laws are a joke here
pastel crownBOT
Let's not forget this is the cars chat. All other discussion should go elsewhere.
devout atlas
in muh cuda
devout atlas
oh lord
a real z1
yes, it's wacky af
too bad it drives like a basic ass 3 series
devout atlas
yes, but you'd imagine that BMW would've done something to differentiate this car from the much cheaper e30 3 series
stoic ledge
The doors
Although it's much stiffer than the convertible E30
Apparently it also had a different rear suspension
devout atlas
hmm
well, out of my reach
financially
at this point
hell, not even sure if we got them here
stoic ledge
Do it
devout atlas
that barge?
stoic ledge
that barge?
Implying a panther isn't a barge
devout atlas
well, panthers are barges, but they're muh barges, gahddamnit
stoic ledge
OOF
devout atlas
I spend an obscene amount of time ogling grand marquees, ford crown vics, and p71/72 interceptors located on another continent
devout atlas
I'm so broke that i'll have to buy a £995 crown vic in installments
stoic ledge
Oof
stoic ledge
I'll check it out soon
stoic ledge
Thonk
fathom socket
I had to drive in mountains with a car that isn't very drivable toi mme
Yaris is way too small for 193 cm tall guy
devout atlas
just
buy
a
crown
vic
I don't care that you're european
can can't find crown vics
just get one
it doesn't matter that insurance will be expensive af
stoic ledge
I see a volkswagen jetta
@devout atlas where
devout atlas
the a4 is a jetta, and that skoda is a jetta
fathom socket
@devout atlas crown vic won't fit
devout atlas
you don't fit in a vic?
devout atlas
I have a crippling panther body addiction
stoic ledge
You don't say
stoic ledge
Buy it
devout atlas
for americans
frank tundra
gave my fiat a clean
i wanna get it lowered but its a jeep
but its a performance jeep so im torn
devout atlas
it's an obese fiat that's also on creatine
frank tundra
these jeeps are fast and they shouldnt be
their is no 392 charger
or scat pack
that'll beat this
thats stock at least
i might struggle against like a, maybe the new wrx sti's if theyre tuned
fathom socket
I want first gen fiat tipo
stoic ledge
But why?
devout atlas
you mean teapo?
stoic ledge
https://youtu.be/Uq7dsWKMtsQ
🐶
Quite curious to see it on the European roads... 👀
flint sable
stoic ledge
Reeeeeepost
stoic ledge
https://www.fiat.com/casa-500-virtual-museum
@turbid onyx Hmmmmmm
Same response
This seems to be the issue... maybe Pi-Hole is blocking it
Yeah I was able to walk through the museum... it just crashed when I clicked on the 500e
Ah
Yes, Pi-Hole is blokcing it
WOAAAAH that's slow
frank tundra
bruhh, I just saw my old roush gt go on sale on Craigslist
And I’m very tempted to put an offer on it
devout atlas
oh
frank tundra
I’d have 2 mustangs with the same amount of power sitting in my driveway
frank tundra
No I know this guy personally
He took really good care of it
He would bring it by everytime he did smt new to it
He did what I had planned to do it
He only put about 20k kms on it
stoic ledge
Cool so it's even better now than it was
stoic ledge
Is it cheaper than when you sold it?
frank tundra
Yeah by about 10k
stoic ledge
N I C E
frank tundra
I sold it to him
2 years ago for 38k
In and around there
He’s selling it for about 29ish
stoic ledge
-25% 👀
stoic ledge
Termi?
stoic ledge
ah
civic spoke
Isn't the Fiat 500 one of the cheapest cars to lease?
stoic ledge
aygo is less here
frank tundra
looks like it
frank tundra
i debadged it
stoic ledge
oof
frank tundra
i liked the look better
i think at one point
i was such a cocky 12th grader
i had the LOL rear taillights
stoic ledge
I like it without engine and model badge, but the brand logo needs to be there lol
frank tundra
the rear logo was just GT
you can tell its a gt by the quad pipes tho
if you didnt already here it screaming up behind you
stoic ledge
stoic ledge
stoic ledge
Lol did you install those?
frank tundra
yeah 
devout atlas
hmm yes
that's the type of mustang that a 16 year old would own
*rich 16 year old
civic spoke
The 118i that I was looking at was sold. Not really surprised. But not bothered either way.
I would have to get rid of my current car if I ever wanted a different one.
It was the only 118i on sale that was a manual and with the big infotainment screen.
civic spoke
That reminds me of how I saw a license plate that said "BIMMER"
M235i 🤢
Oh, wait. Nevermind that face. It's the old 2 series. Forgot about it.
stoic ledge
Ah better
ancient viper
subuwu is the best license plate
dense shard
I still like the Corolla "slorolla" plates
stoic ledge
OOF apparently that Mirai was the first delivered in Europe 👀
Ok that article was false, nice gg
It was the first in Belgium apparently
dense shard
It's not a bad looking car in person, but Toyota has gone in the right direction for the next generation.
stoic ledge
Yeah the new Mirai looks very good imho
Would buy/drive
(if I had the money, hydrogen stations etc)
stoic ledge
viral matrix
stoic ledge
fathom socket
damn the mirai comes with 3 years of fuel
i dont really see hte difference though
only problem with hydrogen in uk
dense shard
frank tundra
Let my sister take my hellcat for a rip😂😂
dense shard
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWq8sAtVAAA0_rz?format=jpg&name=medium NSU, the OG rotary gang.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPkP9BvVUAAQPMk?format=jpg&name=medium I wouldn't mind an RX-3 if I'm honest.
stoic ledge
only problem with hydrogen in uk
@fathom socket yeah that's basically the problem everywhere except in California and Japan
civic spoke
It's probably a problem over there as well.
wet pewter
Diesel time
stoic ledge
Dieselgate 👀 Takes out pitchforks
wet pewter
O nu
But that's how I got this car with only 50,000 miles for like $15k
And 2014 it's not bad at all
stoic ledge
stoic ledge
No.
devout atlas
you can
it's just not recommended
you need to be a man of culture @stoic ledge :p
median egret
Big boi drill.
@civic spoke yeah i needed one
see im totally in the underage pstar scene
i mean
you know the drill
devout atlas
hello there
median egret
huh
devout atlas
do you wish to know the benefits of the panther body?
- It's Body on frame
- Murica
- 4.6 v8
- Murica
median egret
I solely wish for the benefits of a trap body
Okay i already am some sort of twink
;-;
i mean im probably trans but yh
but a panther body hmm
@devout atlas send me a panther bodysuit plox
devout atlas
ford panther body/platform
median egret
if i post my body/platform ill probably get banned
median egret
oh
devout atlas
oh yes
that too
I don't condone that
obviously
hides cop lightbar
that's quite a lot
of money
for a panther
ye
how will be the insurance on that one?
4.6 litres
oh
that's a paltry 230-255
then
how about a taxi in france
@turbid onyx that's ford thunderbird money
talking of which
2002
that's reasonable
ish
for a hearse
12k though
I imagine that the only kind of european driving one of these is one of those crappy 90s action movie fans
hey
pearl tiger
so hey guys, anyone has some more knowledge than me about my seat ibiza2?
devout atlas
nick
quick question
if you had the chance to buy a 2002 thunderbird
would you do it?
yeah
it's a retro car
so it's as long as Greece's debt list
and holds 2 people
because of course it does
huh
soft top though
the hard tops look nicer
also, 17k is actually what it goes for in the us
cordoba
hmm yes
classic
some madlad put a 440 in it
once
that's a 7.2L v8, the 440
I think he had a 1976 though, since he went in april 1976
@turbid onyx oh, nice
nothing much, really
I'm not a cordoba expert
but model years usually come with moar engine choices
yeah
they downsized
in the second gen cordoba
the first gen had 5.2, 5.9, and 6.6L v8s
the second gen had the 6.6 removed
and they added a 3.7 slant 6
the epitome of a shitty engine
yes
it's perfectly reasonable to get the biggest engine
it's murica
oh
frail shore
hey anyone know a gps tracker that works 24/7 incase someone tries to steal my car?
its 80s so no anti theft
uhh explain? im autistic
huh
so any systems you know of that could work on a car?
i live in a pretty sketchy part of my town so id like to have one on my car when i get it
i checked amazon and they all seemed like things youd attatch to your keys or stuff like that and wouldnt work from really far away
ah
so any commercial ones you know of?
or point me in the right direction maybe
huh alright
oh yeah? how much do those run you?
the car im getting is going to be my first which im also restoring while corona is going on so id like for it to not get stolen lol
oh only 600 a year?
honestly that sounds worth it to me
i think i saw some obd2 scanner trackers but that seems really pointless
since i mean on modern cars they use the obd2 port to actually steal it in the first place
nah it was literally a device you hook up to your obd2
think i found a good one on amazon
subscription based tracker
well obv i was planning on putting a kill switch in
but then i though
they would tear the car up looking for it\
and a gps tracker would prevent all that possible damage
see the car im getting is pretty vintage ish, if it got its insides torn up that could cost a lot and take some work to fix
so i mean idk ill decide when it comes to it i guess
i mean if they have a mobile jammer on them sure
but i dont think anyone where i live is that smart tbh
also that costs alot and where i live most people here are poor
and the car im getting is like worth at max 10k not like its a super expensive car
hmm one issue with that
its like sure insurance does all that well but
the car im getting is old
like 80s cars arent super uncommon
but you cant get exact replacements for cars that old
but if it was a new car then yeah you could just get a new one easy
anyways guess ill find out what ill decide when i get the car
btw car is 1986 nissan 300zx, nice sports car
winter viper
gps tracker ... Got my bike back cus of that .. Thief had it for less than 30min .. But he got like a week on hospital
devout atlas
btw car is 1986 nissan 300zx, nice sports car
@frail shore your parents let you get a 300zx?
parents usually shoot down suggestions of any pre-1990 cars
frail shore
oh yeah she was a little against it
but i told her its gotta fit the, a e s t h e t i c
and she was like whatever then
also im paying for it
frail shore
nah its got an airbag
i think
eh even if it doesnt
i just wont crash then
^
thats a joke btw
seriously though that car has a lot of cool stuff in it
tons of digital 80s tech
very neato
frail shore
seen it
devout atlas
that car speaks to you
frail shore
86 300zx also has a woman that talks
devout atlas
nice
frail shore
yeah ik i think i saw that car first
devout atlas
how much you getting it for?
frail shore
dunno what was up with the 80s and talking cars
well since im not going to be getting it for atleast a few months, it depends whats available
i was wanting to check out one that was sitting around for a few years and see if it was worth fixing
ngl that cadillac allante doesnt look that bad but it aint got the pop up headlights
thats my favorite part of the car
but best part is
if i get one and take care of it and keep it running well
i can give my brother a huge middle finger
also heres the car talking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45fXHSwa0T0
i think it was electrictronic
it really sounds like it
different varient but basically the same system in place
lmao
id be surprised if it used records
devout atlas
hey
frail shore
seems a little out of its era
frail shore
listen if i could afford to do that then sure
if it was up to me id be cruisin in a 1971 ford mach 1
hmm that says to like 85, 86 might be different
i saw a car that used electronic systems from 86
oh now i think of it, do you think the needles on those systems wear out over time?
maybe not that much since its plastic but something to think about
frail shore
ive seen some 300zx's from the 80s for 1k on places like fb marketplace
obviously project cars but they look like in good shape aside from the paint
devout atlas
the thing is
a grand marquis can neer be a project car
because it's a panther body
frail shore
yeah but does it have pop up headlights?
devout atlas
yeah, but does the 300zx have an american 4.6 liter SOHC V8?
devout atlas
I like big meaty NA V8s
frail shore
but if it has one already i mean im not against it
devout atlas
because Murica
frail shore
personally id like a supercharger better
devout atlas
the red label bentle Arnage models also have big, meaty 6.75L NA V8s
isn't 4.6L small for murican vee eight motor standards
@turbid onyx ye, it's smaller
it ain't no mopar 7.2L 440cu in monstrosity
frail shore
in the end all that matters is the horsepower it pulls and its mpg
devout atlas
fuel economy is not real
frail shore
and the marquis gets 15 while the 300zx gets 19
eh im just not seeing
why to get it
lmao
also personally just want a sports car with pop up headlights
devout atlas
oh
the marquis ain't gr8
the p71 police interceptor
is where it's at
253 hp
drift rocket
I'm serious, that car loves to slide
for some reason
frail shore
also though check the 300zx stereo
now thats a e s t h e t i c
its even got a graphic equalizer
frail shore
i mean if i ever run low in gas ill just throw it in reverse to fill the tank
devout atlas
oh also
I forgot
the back seats in the p71s and the grand marquees are spacious, and great for you know what
frail shore
yeah tbh
kinda boring how you cant do really anything now with everyone on their phones and games and stuff
and ik i sound like a boomer but im bored af
devout atlas
yes
If I were an american teenager
I'd get a panther body and drive the shit out of it, with the dudes in the back
and also do you-know-what
frail shore
yes yes i know what
but honestly arent you worried youd ruin the seats with your you know what?
devout atlas
I pity those with hatchbacks
but honestly arent you worried youd ruin the seats with your you know what?
@frail shore police interceptors come with tough lather back seats that don't wear down easily, because they need to transport felons
and such
devout atlas
ye
frail shore
thats why maybe at most on the hood
frail shore
honestly it would be pretty lit to cruise down the eastern usa in a classic muscle car blasting old rock music the whole way
riding in car
Kickstart my heart comes on
devout atlas
I have made a roadmap of car-ownership
because I'm an insufferable oaf
starts with a panther-body
ends with a giulia gta
classic
that's why it's last
because expensive af
true
lol
the original is so bloody beautiful
those seats
mhmm
I actually use a seat from a 60s car as a daily chair
winter viper
My old "office"
In weekends ppl ask for "party vans/busses" .. And they get it
Big stereo and lots of led in and outside
Not just a cab driver .. Also part DJ 😛
fathom socket
stoic ledge
dense shard
Police interceptors didn't come with leather seats.
They came with easy to hose down vinyl seats.
devout atlas
They came with easy to hose down vinyl seats.
@dense shard my bad
that's even better
also, wrong link
stoic ledge
devout atlas
that's the CEO of Brown's car
the ambassador
that car is just various shades of b r o w n
dense shard
A car so boring that even the novelty of vintage can't save.
5.9L engine... 175 horsepower.
My car has 5 horsepower less.
"they don't make em like this anymore"
civic spoke
Funky color.
But 100% that color so that they can mask it out.
Ahh
What movie is it even?
stoic ledge
I want that