cars

[devout atlas]

how's your a i r b a g?

[civic girder]

what's an airbag? is this that "safety" the kids talk about these days?

[devout atlas]

I'd never buy a daily without an airbag

tbh

what's an airbag? is this that "safety" the kids talk about these days?
@civic girder time to get impaled by the steering rack

[civic girder]

yeet

I'd daily a car without an airbag. But it would depend on the car

[devout atlas]

i'd daily a 1969 caddilac eldorado

[civic girder]

it'd need good crumple zones and I'd make sure the brakes are in perfect working order and setup for the best possible stopping distance

[devout atlas]

because I'd have to crash into a building to break that thing

[civic girder]

Just drive defensively, obey traffic laws, and don't be stupid. Do that and avoiding an accident is fairly easy, hard part is being aware enough to avoid idiots with a deathwish

[devout atlas]

precisely

hence, the best first car for me would either be a crown vic or a grand marquis

[civic girder]

They're nice

My buddy's 89 LTD is still the most comfortable car I've ever driven/ridden in

and ofc its an American tank. Another car you'd have to crash into a building with to die

[devout atlas]

I'd want one from after 90

for the sweet standard airbags

the cheapest panther bodies always tend to be police interceptors

hmm

[civic girder]

The panther body is much more modern yea, but I prefer the 80s ones just for the boxy look and the sweet velour interior

[devout atlas]

ye

that's true

[civic girder]

plus you can get them with carburetors, the superior fuel delivery method

[devout atlas]

hmm

time to get hanged for high treason

[civic girder]

lmao

it comes as a package deal with my rotary addiction

When I get a Previa tho, it will stay efi just cause a carb swap would be a nightmare.

and daily is staying EFI because hybrid carb car sounds like another nightmare

but if I get a Z31, and the rotary swap truck project are fair game for carb swap

[devout atlas]

muh fuel injection

[civic girder]

much carb noises

and ultra simplistic

[devout atlas]

muh actual good fuel delivery systems

[civic girder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/438484168373043200/727172308141080617/Screenshot_20200629-084241.png

literally me

fuel injection is superior, no doubt about it. I like to say carbs are better just for the memes.
but for real, I do like carbs more because they sound better

[devout atlas]

huh

sound

murica

[civic girder]

To me, fuel injected cars have a muffled flat, almost monotone-esc sound

But carbs have a succ and more raw/pure sound imo

turbo also overrated imo since they almost always sound bad, and you don't need power or whistle noises to be cool or have fun

[devout atlas]

i'd love a corvette C3

with that murican sound

[civic girder]

classic v8 cars with an aggressive cam and direct fire ignition swap sound sooooo good

and ofc 4 barrel carb

I'd love me a Mercury Cougar or a 69 Charger

classic inline motors with side drafts also sound really good

I am still thinking about L24 swapping a Z31 if I do get one.

L24, the original Z motor

straight 6, triple carb, factory side drafts, 7k rpm

Legit one of the best sounding motors of all time

[carmine summit]

the reason fuel injected cars don't have succ sound is because they usually have one throttle body

ITBs give succ sound, like individual carbs do

[civic girder]

yea, you can get a succ with itbs, but its not the same

the exhaust note is still like normal efi

and sometimes, usually dependent on the setup, it'll be more high pitched and less carb-like

[devout atlas]

Legit one of the best sounding motors of all time
@civic girder big blocc 7l v8?

[civic girder]

I'm not real familiar with my v8 motors

all I know are a hand full of inline motors and know my rotaries like the back of my hand

[devout atlas]

i don't know rotaries

I only know one

the classic 'rotary'

[civic girder]

Technically, there's only 3 different Mazda engines

the 1L 10A, the 1.2L 12A, and the 1.3L 13B

most other engines are variations of those

such as the 12A turbo, 13BT (t for turbo), 13B-REW (twin turbo), the 20B is just a 13B with an extra half a 13B bolted to it, and the R26B 4 rotor racing engine is basically just two 13Bs bolted together

[devout atlas]

big blocc

[civic girder]

even the RX-8's Renesis is just a super fancy 13B

[devout atlas]

you like the big blocc?

it's from an El Camino

because merica

[hardy osprey]

I want this so bad 😭

[stoic ledge]

Buy it.

[devout atlas]

7L big block swap

[devout atlas]

do it

[stoic ledge]

@devout atlas yes, 2
@turbid onyx which one I've seen a MiTo gauge cluster if I'm not mistaken

Wait that 8C was yours

👀

Pls give

Nice combo, 300k 8C + 20k MiTo

[normal temple]

Das a lot of red

[stoic ledge]

Red is nice

[normal temple]

The trickle charger is a nice touch

lol ofc not

That sounds fun

My parking brake doesn't even work atm

[stoic ledge]

Everything sounds angry in Italian

I've got no clue what it says xD

Yeah German as well 😛

Ah

Nice

Electronic parking brake?

Ah ok

No more handbrake turns

True

Damn I wish I could afford an 8C convertible

Yeah true

But still, that engine...

RWD

The looks

That's part of the engine

Did you just roll through a stop sign 👀

Nice acceleration tho

[devout atlas]

a mito and an 8c spider
@turbid onyx 8C? where do you live, and how do I become your butler?

I own an alfa too

it's just stuck in forza 4

how does looking at the 8c feel?

how does touching it feel?

well

I'm a college student

who'd kill to get a panther body

XD

ye

the panther platform

grand marquis, crown vic, marauder, p71 interceptor

etc

etc

yes, I'd imagine

seeing that they're absolute chonkers

Like maneuvering the Nimitz in a bathtub
@turbid onyx ah yes, a fellow man of naval culture

early iterations of the 4.6 liter V8 make a whopping 202 hp

because 'murica

throw displacement at your problems

and they usually go away

but modern 'murican powerplants are pretty rad

like the almighty LS

or the coyote

or the now dead 8.3L V10 truck engine

But it works for your market
@turbid onyx Oh, not murican

for now

I live in SA currently

so it's all shitty economy cars here

I'm actually continuing my college in 'Murica

it may or may not have anything to do with my crippling panther body addiction

[frank tundra]

When I went to a trip to london, i was so confused with the car culture

Cause here in Van

You got 240/180s, GTR's, Mustangs, Camaros

Cars with a decent amount of power

and then in london

90hp hatchback cool car

[devout atlas]

Would you be able to import one back once you're done with college or do you have import restrictions?
@turbid onyx import restrictions require you to funnel money into the hands of the right people

In any case, it'll be highly unlikely for me to return

[lapis elk]

@devout atlas panther addiction?

i have a CV, a P72

'11

[devout atlas]

oh

boy

the second greatest panthers

how does it feel?

[lapis elk]

cries in marauder

also its nice

its not quick

but its comfy

and it does well on the freeway

though it is a bit large in NYC

[devout atlas]

oh

4.6 mod

250

right?

[lapis elk]

yah

252 on the dyno

[devout atlas]

2 hp more

[lapis elk]

301 lb/ft torque

[devout atlas]

ford be under-rating engines

301 lb/ft torque
@lapis elk the 4.6 mods were remarkably torquey

although none can stand up to the coyote and LS

[lapis elk]

Yah they rlly are

Well obviously

Iirc my engine is the 2v sohc

[devout atlas]

ye

[lapis elk]

laughs in American 4.6 powaaah

-250hp

[devout atlas]

only the marauder got the 4.6 4v dohc

because the marauder is s p e c i a l

and because ford works in mysterious ways

[lapis elk]

yeaaaa

Also don't some of the mustangs have it

[devout atlas]

the mustangs had the dohc 5 iirc

[lapis elk]

Really?

I thought like

1 got the dohc 4.6

[devout atlas]

ye ye

you're right

the cobra from 96-04 got it

[lapis elk]

Yea the svt right?

[devout atlas]

and so did the Koenigsegg CC8 and CCR

[lapis elk]

Those were some weird looking mustangs

Didn't Koenigsegg squeeze like 800hp from it?

Somehow

[devout atlas]

yep

800hp out of a modular

[lapis elk]

Lmao Pooh italy

*ooooh

[devout atlas]

tbh, you can easily squeeze 400hp out of a dohc modular

with minimal improvements

fun fact, at one point italy decided that cars with an engine larger than 2.0L were luxury items, and to subject them to 38% sales tax instead of the ordinary 19% in effect at the time
@turbid onyx huh, that'd make a Chrysler concorde a luxury car

[lapis elk]

That'd make literally 90% of cars in the USA a luxury car

Like i know some 4 cylinders that are bigger than 2l

[devout atlas]

That'd make literally 90% of cars in the USA a luxury car
@lapis elk muh 1200 dollar crown vic is a luxury car

'muhrica

[lapis elk]

Lmao correct

...

[devout atlas]

sad audi noises

[lapis elk]

looks at BMW 8 speed

F

[devout atlas]

hey

so many exotics use the 4.6 dohc modular

it ain't even funny

the Qvale Mangusta

Panoz Esperante

the mantis gt

[lapis elk]

that makes

more sense

is there a minimum?

[devout atlas]

all of them get 500-806 from the 4.6 modular

[lapis elk]

...

why???

[devout atlas]

and surprise surprise we still have a luxury tax based on power output
@turbid onyx all 80s cadillacs are bottom tier, then

[lapis elk]

also do they tax electrics?>

and cries in northstar V8

[devout atlas]

oh god

northstar

ew

make it 70s cadillacs

I don't want to be associated with the northstar

[lapis elk]

why

also fair

shudders

[frank tundra]

bruh

so

[lapis elk]

northstar V8s

[frank tundra]

how expensive

would my hellcat be

[devout atlas]

would my hellcat be
@frank tundra y e s

[frank tundra]

ill just debadge it

and put a 3.6L VVT cover on the engine

[devout atlas]

[lapis elk]

XD

[frank tundra]

but even the 3.6L still has 300hp

[lapis elk]

wait

waitwaitwait

a hellcat

makes like 800 hp

that would be hell

[frank tundra]

707 stock

but mine isnt stock

mines atm makes about 850

and i complain about insurance in BC

[devout atlas]

mines atm makes about 850
@frank tundra good way to die

Make your viper do 850

[lapis elk]

imean

[devout atlas]

coffin on wheels

[frank tundra]

i dont own a viper 😦

[lapis elk]

what about something like an MG, but with an 800hp LS

[frank tundra]

i want a viper

but i cant have a viper

fiance said no

Why is it not listed?

[devout atlas]

Don't get me started about insurance. The 8c is not listed in any insurance database and has no official market value, so insuring it is pure unadulterated hell. I've had one company try to convince me that the 8c does not in fact exist.
@turbid onyx ah yes, doublethink

[frank tundra]

Not enough made?

[devout atlas]

fiance said no
@frank tundra that hasn't stopped anyone

e v e r

[frank tundra]

well you see

all my cars

have at least 500hp

and she hates the mustang

[devout atlas]

Because it's rare and it was only sold by invitation
@turbid onyx talking of which, how'd you get your hands on it?

[frank tundra]

and is making me sell it

because we need a practical car

[devout atlas]

and she hates the mustang
@frank tundra sell the stang and get a 'low power' 400hp viper

[frank tundra]

one that dosent destory eardrums

[devout atlas]

the viper is practical

ish

Well, I applied to purchase one and they granted my request
@turbid onyx huh, you bought it new?

damn, you have some serious moolah

didn't those cost a lot?

[stoic ledge]

yes

[frank tundra]

8C'S are in the ballparki

of

80-120k cad

no?

[devout atlas]

I mean, it's beautiful

try 300k cad

[frank tundra]

500 units

made total

of the 8c

google says

[stoic ledge]

€245k new

[frank tundra]

8c competitzone*

[stoic ledge]

Atleast it was here

[devout atlas]

I see 8C units going for 370k US

that's big money

[frank tundra]

i bet keeping that thing in good shape

must be expensive

@devout atlas

this is the viper i want

i almost bought it

before i bought my hellcat

[devout atlas]

oh

[frank tundra]

but he said someone gave a better offer

[devout atlas]

that's the most impractical viper

[frank tundra]

but that person never ended up buying it

[devout atlas]

F

[frank tundra]

and i bought my hellcat

i want a proper track car

for my next car

[lapis elk]

how uncomfortable would that thing to be

driven over a bump

[devout atlas]

that viper looks like something from a wet dream

ngl

[lapis elk]

thats my question

[frank tundra]

so either a gt3rs

or a ACR

i prefer the acr tho

v10 american bald eagles noises

[devout atlas]

thats my question
@lapis elk spines are eternal (unless your's snaps), vipers are not

[lapis elk]

lul

also i used to have an Evo 9

but it was

too bumpy

[devout atlas]

muhrican V10

[frank tundra]

i have my srt jeep for comfort

[lapis elk]

it hurt my back

[frank tundra]

i want my viper for speed

[devout atlas]

GROWLWLWLWLBRRTT

[lapis elk]

and stick is a PITA to drive in NYC

is the SRT jeep the one with the hellcat engine?

[frank tundra]

no

the SRT is the 392

the trackhawk is the 6.2

[devout atlas]

Zagato TZ3 Stradale

you gotta get this

it's an alfa romeo

[frank tundra]

392 = 6.4L found in all SRTs, Scatpacks

[devout atlas]

that's actually just a viper

[frank tundra]

6.2L Supercharged = Hellcats, and Trackhawks

[frank tundra]

its not bald eagle v10

[devout atlas]

it is bald eagle v10

in an italian suit

[frank tundra]

eh

i dont like comfort

i like recaro racing seat

[devout atlas]

i dont like comfort
@frank tundra you are wise beyond your years

[frank tundra]

i drove a 650hp mustang from the age of 17-20

[lapis elk]

lmao

[frank tundra]

i have been to hell and back

[lapis elk]

jesus

[devout atlas]

I'm surprised that you aren't in a morgue yet

[lapis elk]

i literally couldnt deal with the Evo

thats why i have a panther

[frank tundra]

i love mustangs

i'd wouldve kept that thing

had my transmission not

oh you wanna shift? how about no

[devout atlas]

thats why i have a panther
@lapis elk false. you have a panther body because you're a real man

[frank tundra]

gotta buy a new transmission to do that

i dont fit in at mopar car meets tho

[lapis elk]

calvin - shifts
transmission - aight ima head out

also @devout atlas fair, but also

comfort

[frank tundra]

my terminator mustang currently

has not had any issues

[devout atlas]

real men drive real american v8s

[frank tundra]

but i wanna sell my terminator

for a 2002 camaro ss

the ls1

[devout atlas]

get a ram srt10

[frank tundra]

my friend has one

drove it

[devout atlas]

aka obese Viper

[frank tundra]

didnt really like it

[devout atlas]

because it's an obese viper?

[frank tundra]

it makes the sound of going fast

but

its not

[devout atlas]

because obesity

[frank tundra]

my friends stock 2011 5.0

absolutely killed the viper ram

[fathom socket]

For the first time in my life

I've seen Tesla super charger

[devout atlas]

oh yes

tesla

[frank tundra]

arent they at all malls near you?

[devout atlas]

the black sheep of automobiles

[frank tundra]

a tesla tried racing my hellcat

it wasnt a p100d

[lapis elk]

an obese viper XD

[frank tundra]

it was a base model

[lapis elk]

also yea, the P100d might have a chance

a p80

no

[frank tundra]

def has a chacne

[lapis elk]

not gonna happen

[devout atlas]

an obese viper XD
@lapis elk precisely

[frank tundra]

it'll kill me off the line

[devout atlas]

allegedly

[lapis elk]

also, dont even say sounds of going fast

i have

a crown vic

[devout atlas]

teslas drive like shit

[lapis elk]

my dad has a model 3

performance model

they drive fiiine

but theyre no sports cars

[frank tundra]

thing is

ever since corona

people have been buying so many more houses

[devout atlas]

guys

[frank tundra]

at least the ones who are still working

[devout atlas]

gtg

cya all later

[frank tundra]

cya

[devout atlas]

remember

calvin

don't kill yourself

[frank tundra]

so my bank account is saying yes you can buy a viper

but

[devout atlas]

in your 850 hp fiat

[frank tundra]

the goal is to kill the car

not myself

[lapis elk]

byeeee

also

oof

[stoic ledge]

500e when

[fathom socket]

A Tesla with a tow hook?

They can tow things?

[stoic ledge]

Tesla

[lapis elk]

i like teslas ;-;

i dont mind my dad's

its aight

[fathom socket]

Tesla would make sence here in Switzerland

U have chargers everywhere

But I need a car to commute accros Europe

So the best bet would be to get plug in hybrid

Public chargers are free here

[lapis elk]

lucky

we have solar panels and a fast charger

so we're goooood

but charging on normal 120v wall power is

slow

[stoic ledge]

120V

EVs I can afford are shite, so no thnx

• manuals ftw

Corsa-e is nice as well Still can't afford one

3+1 door 👀

Noice

Oof

I like the new interior

But it's just freaking expensive

And yes, the first ones are fully loaded

But still

Oof that'd leave a big gap between the entry and top model

Ah but 25k for the 24kWh battery pack?

Still quite expensive imho

Base Corsa-e for example is 29.5k with a 50kWh battery

Sure but that's why you have to compare prices before incentives

Actually, the MG ZS EV is selling quite well here

200km 👀

Yikes, I can't daily that

320 for 42kWh isn't bad

But what's it like at highway driving at 140km/h? 🙃

Oof, well that's enough for a round-trip for me

Not sure if I'd feel comfortable with it

It basically means home -> school and back, but if I want to go to anywhere else I can't

Can't

0 charge points

Could try

But I'm not going to buy an EV yet anyway

Can't afford a new one, older ones are too limited in range

School has solar panels 👀

Very true, but I'm not planning a PHEV yet either

I'm planning on having the Corsa as school compadre for at least 2 more years

^ that would be a fact, yes

As far as I know no schools have charging points there

The research center has one tho, but the head of the research center has 2 Tesla's so that makes sense

That could be true

But I live in another country then where I study

True, but Belgium isn't that focussed on EVs yet

No it's a University which doesn't have such departments

True But they thing is, they're trying to demotivate cars

And promote public transport

Don't think I can have that much influence

Lol

I persuaded my parents to get solar panels, that's enough for me xD

[indigo coral]

I'd get a model 3 but the company is just fucked up

I can't support their bs

[frank tundra]

whats teslas bs?

[devout atlas]

hey

[civic girder]

Mega quality control issues, some weird fuckin software management decisions, and poor design on some things.

Panel gaps have always been really bad

Used cars can have fast charging and other features disabled

And manual releases on their automatic doors are hidden and difficult/extremely unintuitive; so if your car caught fire or you were in an accident, you probably would have no idea how to open the door. And even if you did, there's a chance you could be too weak/injured to get it open or can't even access the release because of damage to the vehicle.

[indigo coral]

As well as anticonsumer behavior and outright worker abuse

[civic girder]

Oh?

I was not aware of these things

Beyond some basic anti consumer shit that I've caught wind of

[indigo coral]

They have been outright firing people to catch the rony, or telling them "sure you can stay home" then kicking their ass out the door

[civic girder]

Wow

[indigo coral]

plus they told the state/county to get bent and opened before they were allowed to

and the county capitulated to them

[civic girder]

I do remember that

California was like "no"
Elon was like "yes"

[indigo coral]

plus they don't allow you to get parts, they randomly disable and restrict features, and have made it clear that if you touch your car in a way they say you shouldn't, they'll press charges and deactivate your car

[civic girder]

But tbh, Commiefornia is kinda shitty anyways so I do side with Elon on that one

[indigo coral]

the car you bought

Well in general yes, but their rony restrictions were not unreasonable

[civic girder]

Yea, sounds like the Apple of cars over here lmao

[indigo coral]

(sorry, the warship bot will mute us if we use the actual name)

[civic girder]

Really?

[indigo coral]

yeah

[civic girder]

Damn

[indigo coral]

they banned the word

you'll get botsmacked

[civic girder]

Strict as hell, as usual, I see

[indigo coral]

but yeah the quality issues are one thing, but the outright anticonsumerism and stuff is what I take issue with

The blatant misbehavior of the company

[civic girder]

My biggest thing is def the anti consumer and safety issues

It'd be like having to take the door panel off to open the door on my Prius or on your Lexus.

That's terrible and why should I have to go through so many steps

[indigo coral]

Well, I don't think it's that bad

it's not that complicated

it's a lever above the window switches

[civic girder]

What

[indigo coral]

the emergency open thing?

[civic girder]

Id always seen you had to like remove speaker grilles and shit, and then you have to pull a cable

[indigo coral]

oh lol no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu-tJc-BgaI

first is the electronic release, then the manual one

[civic girder]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

What about the Model X?

[indigo coral]

idk about those

[civic girder]

That one for sure you have to pop off panels and pull a cable

[indigo coral]

yeah that one is badly designed

[civic girder]

Last I checked, Model 3 was the same but easier than the Model X

[indigo coral]

nah the model 3 has always had that lever on the door

to open it

[civic girder]

Interesting

Maybe they learned their lesson from the Chinese couple who got trapped in a flaming Model X cause the electric doors broke and they couldn't get to the manual release

[indigo coral]

maybe

hopefully

honestly at this point they should kick elon's ass out

he's a loose cannon

[civic girder]

Yea

Get someone who actually knows how to run a car company in there

[indigo coral]

mhm

Ford should remove their CEO too

lool

[civic girder]

Elons cool and all, but he can't run Tesla for shit

Ford....is kinda shitty these days too

Especially their interiors

Idk anything about the CEO

[indigo coral]

They're going downhill

[civic girder]

Yeo

Ever since they dropped Mazda

[indigo coral]

our taurus/explorer aren't bad, but I sat in the new Explorer (2020) and holy shit

it was awful

[civic girder]

Which Mazda has been improving ever since Ford left

[indigo coral]

It looks okay, but the screen is abhorrent, and it's creaky and poor quality

[frank tundra]

@civic girder damn i was not aware of them disabling shit on used cars

thats snakey as fuck

[civic girder]

Yep

[indigo coral]

yep tesla does that too

[civic girder]

They do it especially on used cars

[indigo coral]

They also sometimes charge people for delivery defects

A family friend of ours got a Model 3, it came without the screen

and he had to pay thousands of dollars to get it put on

[civic girder]

And they hate people driving salvage title cars

[frank tundra]

the fuck

how do you even use the car

[indigo coral]

oh yeah salvage title cars are yet another problem

[frank tundra]

without the screen

[indigo coral]

you don't

[frank tundra]

so they basically

just sent a shell with a bunch of batteries in it

that you cant utilize

[indigo coral]

The salvage title cars, they shut down all fast charging

permanently

there were people who paid up to 12k$ to get their rebuilt tesla "recertified"

[frank tundra]

yeah i rmr that guy who rebuilt a model s

that had water damage

[civic girder]

They also don't have that many service centers, so you might have to have your car towed many hours away just for repairs

[indigo coral]

and they got it stripped too

even the ones that were recertified

they did not get refunded

just get told to piss off

[frank tundra]

well living in vancouver people love the thought of a tesla

since everything is so closeby

and theirs charging stations everywhere

[indigo coral]

vancouver WA or CA?

[frank tundra]

Canada

[indigo coral]

Ah nice

I'm in the Seattle area

[frank tundra]

I would personally never own a tesla

[civic girder]

Get a passport and go hang out lmao

[frank tundra]

but i can see the appeal

US border is closed

[indigo coral]

If the company wasn't so mismanaged and stuff, I'd buy one

but as of now I cannot support the BS they pull

[civic girder]

I'd rather get an EV or plugin that isn't trash

[frank tundra]

And i think its gonna stay closed

[indigo coral]

permanently?

😮

[frank tundra]

not perm

but for a while

until the US calms down on covid

i think its been closed

[civic girder]

Like a Prius Prime. Even the Chrysler Pacifica hybrid is better than a Tesla. And it's an FCA product

[frank tundra]

for a the last month or 2

any EV Prius > tesla

[indigo coral]

Maybe I'll buy a used taycan in a few years

[civic girder]

Yea right

[frank tundra]

Taycan is gonna be horrendous in used repairs

[indigo coral]

Hopefully the taycan 4s depreciates quick and hard

[civic girder]

You'd be better off with your G70 than a Taycan

[indigo coral]

Lol

The g70 isn't going to be sold in the US anymore I've heard

[frank tundra]

go to vancouver and grab one

theirs tons of them here

[civic girder]

At the very least, the G70 isn't going to catch on fire while sitting in your garage

[indigo coral]

in theory

Lol

I wish I could afford one but they're big money still

[frank tundra]

im sitting here waiting for the gt3rs to hopefully depreciate

or someone fucks one up a little

but still drivable

[civic girder]

Newer car also more expensive to insure. A few years old G70 will cost less than a Taycan in that sense

[indigo coral]

G70 isn't remotely practical but I've heard good things about how it drives and whatnot

[civic girder]

And who gets an EV like that anyways. Performance EVs are not worth it at all yet. The tech is too new and underdeveloped. The performance Teslas are pretty shit and heat soak really bad

[frank tundra]

This guy wanted to trade his e63s for my hellcat and my terminator

[civic girder]

How is G70 not practical, it's a sedan

[frank tundra]

with me putting 10k on top i think it was

[indigo coral]

Small trunk and expensive to drive

[frank tundra]

how much does a g70 go for in the us?

35k?

[indigo coral]

New?

Or used?

[frank tundra]

new

[indigo coral]

53k for the model I want

[civic girder]

Small trunk is only an issue if you actually use it and put lots of large things. And if by expensive to drive you mean insurance, just live somewhere that doesn't gouge you.

[indigo coral]

I could just keep whichever RX I have at that point I suppose

for Costco runs and whatnot

[frank tundra]

personally i would go for a kia stinger over a g70

but i just like kias

[indigo coral]

The Stinger interior is meh, and the G70 drives better

I do like the Stinger tho

[civic girder]

Ew, why would you get the Stinger over the G70

[indigo coral]

I'd get the Stinger if the GTS had the GT2 interior

[frank tundra]

I just like the risk Kia took with the stinger

and I've owned 3 kias in the past

[indigo coral]

It's a nice car for sure

[frank tundra]

all of them got up to 300k kms

no issues

Kia is the brand that i have had the least amount of trouble with

[civic girder]

A co-worker of mine has a Stinger. I was pretty disappointed when he took me for a ride. It did not live up to the hype journalists gave it

[indigo coral]

By the time I can afford a G70, I'll probably have the 2007 RX

Which will last forever

[frank tundra]

eh actually scratch that

if i was spending 50k on another sedan

id go for the Maserati Ghibli S Q4

the sounds those things make are amazing

[civic girder]

Lmao

[indigo coral]

I sat in the G70 and Stinger side by side, and personally liked the way the G70 felt better

[civic girder]

I'd rather get a Stinger than a Maserati tbh

[indigo coral]

Size/interior/materials/etc

[frank tundra]

Maserati has that 400hp TT engine

and ive heard them tuned

[civic girder]

Stinger has a high HP TT motor too

[indigo coral]

The G70 is slightly underpowered compared to it's competitors but it's still adequate

[frank tundra]

Stinger dosent make the crackles and pops tho

[civic girder]

With a tune it could

[indigo coral]

It's also 2/3 the price of it's competitors tho

[frank tundra]

and the ghibli just looks so much nicer imo

[civic girder]

I have heard Stingers in person that had aftermarket catbacks

They sound pretty decent for a tt v6

[frank tundra]

and if something ever went wrong

[indigo coral]

The GS F is nice but expensive and kinda old

[frank tundra]

chrisfix will probably have made a video on it

[civic girder]

I guess that's a fair point lmao

[frank tundra]

good advertisement for maserati tho

[indigo coral]

Also I can't get a rwd car

[frank tundra]

having chrixfix own one

[indigo coral]

Can't drive that in the rain

[frank tundra]

laughs in 707hp rwd car being driven in shitty vancouver weather

[civic girder]

But honestly, if I was in the market for a fast luxury sedan, I'd find a way to not be in that market. All the options seem pretty lame to me

[frank tundra]

you get the same weather as me

[indigo coral]

well I'd rather have a G70 vs something like a Ford ecosport or something

[civic girder]

I like my old, slow, carbureted shitboxes that cost nothing to buy but cost your life's savings to keep running

[frank tundra]

i consider the hellcat a luxury sedan

[civic girder]

I'd rather have a lot things than an Ecosport lmao

[frank tundra]

it has everything a "luxury sedan would have"

[indigo coral]

Maybe I'll abandon the G70 and just buy the 2007 RX and drive the wheels off that

The 07 RX gets up and goes pretty well

[civic girder]

Yea, I wouldn't want a Hellcat either tbh

[indigo coral]

you'd hate an RX

[civic girder]

They don't even sound that great imo

I hate SUVs, so yea ofc

[indigo coral]

Well it's not really an suv

It's a crossover

[civic girder]

Crossover is a failed attempt at making SUVs smaller and more like sedans, imo at least

[indigo coral]

Idk I like the RX

Lol

[civic girder]

I'd rather be homeless than own a crossover or SUV. Except the MX-30 because rotary

[indigo coral]

Not a fan of the X6/GLE Coupe/etc

[civic girder]

Just get a Camry Hybrid. Problem solved

[indigo coral]

I'd take an RX hybrid over a Camry hybrid tbh

[frank tundra]

idk their is no car that could replace my hellcat

[civic girder]

To each their own

[frank tundra]

it’s perfect for me in every way except gas mileage

[civic girder]

There's no car that could replace my RX-7

Perfect in every way except gas mileage

[indigo coral]

Lol

My RX would benefit from another 100hp

But it was free so

[civic girder]

You'd benefit from an extra gear and shorter 1st and 2nd

[indigo coral]

That too

[civic girder]

When I do the RX-7's exhaust, it'll probably gain like 35 hp, which tbh I don't think it needs

[indigo coral]

straight pipes RX300

[civic girder]

But the sound will be 👌

[indigo coral]

[winter viper]

Pickup with 14.2Liter engine .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuqd3vuZJzw

[flint sable]

I love depreciation

[civic girder]

What I hate is deprecation

[flint sable]

LOL

22k, originally 107k, deprecation is our friend

[civic girder]

Ew, bmw

[flint sable]

M5 fun

In a twist of irony

The turn signal

Doesn’t work

Headlight seal broke

[civic girder]

Lmao

[flint zealot]

so thats why it was so cheap? XD

[civic girder]

One of my buddies has a 3 series. He doesn't use his turn signal ever. But in his daily driver Neon, he always uses turn signals

[flint zealot]

[dense shard]

hellcat is a luxury car

If that's so. My Corolla is also a luxury car.

It's got all the luxury car trappings.

[frank tundra]

i mean

full leather seats

heated and cooled seats

Faster then everything else on the street

the driver and passenger have a massage mode too

and it has a harman kardon audio system

and well harman kardon > jbl

but everyone has their own definitions of luxury

[silk gate]

harman kardon = jbl

[dense shard]

Both names aren't relevant when the contracting company paid either 50 dollars and a six pack.

Ford and VW are both excellent cases of paying for a brand... cause you certainly aren't getting a sound.

[stoic ledge]

Neither does Toyota JBL

[silk gate]

I dont really know how it goes in the us but atleast in europe, vw isnt really a brand to pay extra for

[frank tundra]

tiguans are pretty nice

they have the rs3 dash

even the atlas sports

certainly wouldn't pay what theyre priced at

but theyre nice cars

[stoic ledge]

they have the rs3 dash
No?

[silk gate]

theyre not that expensive compared to other german SUV's

[frank tundra]

dont they?

im pretty sure the newer ones do

[stoic ledge]

Definitely not

[silk gate]

nope

[stoic ledge]

theyre not that expensive compared to other german SUV's
Imagine a mainstream brand being just as expensive as the pReMiUm brands

Although VW is still too expensive

[silk gate]

i dont see it as expensive, its mainstream priced

[frank tundra]

ohh

theyre pretty similar

[stoic ledge]

Wot

[frank tundra]

but def not the same

[stoic ledge]

No

I don't see anything which is the same

[silk gate]

?

?

[stoic ledge]

Absolutely nothing which is the same

[silk gate]

nope:D

[frank tundra]

?

[stoic ledge]

Yes that looks like any generic VW

Could be a Polo, could be a Passat, could be a Tiguan

What it can't be, is an Audi

[silk gate]

thats a golf

[stoic ledge]

Yes

The "old" Golf

Mk 7.5

[silk gate]

2019

[stoic ledge]

Old Golf

Mk8 is completely different

[silk gate]

yep

[stoic ledge]

And waaaay worse

[silk gate]

that tiguan was also 2019, pretty similar

[stoic ledge]

Yeah, the Facelifted Tiguan also has touchsensitive buttons

[flint sable]

[stoic ledge]

Horrible

[stoic ledge]

👀

[flint sable]

Did you see the video

[stoic ledge]

Nope

[flint sable]

I shit you not it sounds almost like a ford GT

[silk gate]

i dont like how every manufacturer likes to shove a fucking screen everywhere nowadays

[flint sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnosvm6PAJA

Honestly we might get one to replace our dodge journey

[stoic ledge]

Well screens aren't that bad, but I need physical buttons for the HVAC and volume etc

[flint sable]

Dad wants one

I want one

Mom wants a heated steering wheel though

[silk gate]

like this isnt even 1 big screen

its 2 shitty small ones

[flint sable]

Oh I dislike non integrated screens

Looks like an iPad glued to the dash

[silk gate]

exactly

[flint sable]

But yeah that bronco sounds really good

Glad, at least that model, isn’t just a four banger

[dusty radish]

@tight cypress lmao my gilera runner with original 50cc cyl, just sports exhaust, goes 110kmh

there is something wrong with that thing. I swear to god it's a 70cc in disguise, it's ridiculous

[tight cypress]

aa tag

yes rabasa is power

[dusty radish]

what

[stoic ledge]

What

[tight cypress]

@dusty radish

[silk gate]

runner deosnt have rabasa

[tight cypress]

fake gilera

[civic girder]

what in the goddamn is this

[tight cypress]

you wont understand it

[civic girder]

Clearly, cause I have no idea what you guys are talking about

[frank tundra]

did you guys see the hellcat durango?

[civic girder]

sounds stupid

[frank tundra]

shouldve brought back the srt10 ra

ram

[civic girder]

Yea, I agree

[frank tundra]

but with a hellcat engine considering srt10 is discontinued

[civic girder]

so is the Hellcat Durango basically a Jeep Trackhawk? lmao

[frank tundra]

at least this will drive down the prices of trackhawks

my jeep is almost out of warranty

so trade in time is coming

[civic girder]

imagine trading in a car

[frank tundra]

i want a trackhawk cause the 6.4 is a pos engi ne

at least with the 6.2 ill have to worry less

and well

lemon

[dense shard]

Bronco sounding good?

It might get the Nano V6TT

Supposedly will get a 7 speed manual.

[fathom socket]

I don't get the point of new SUVs

Why would you want a sporty vehicle that has the point of gravity of a truck

weighs like a truck

handles like a truck

looks like a pickup

Not to mention crap visibility

and its not even that "utilitarian"

It sucks at offroad

Has the same cargo space as a crummy hatch

[devout atlas]

because c o m p e n s a t i on

[civic girder]

Yea, I feel the same way about SUVs

They don't even have good fuel economy

Even the hybrids suck

Just get a sedan or a wagon/minivan

[stoic ledge]

Minivan also sits up high

Yet way more practical

[devout atlas]

nice seats

[dense shard]

I don't get the point of new SUVs

It's easy.

They offer better sightlines, and are easier to get in and out of.

Modern day crossovers/SUVs offer increased ride height, peace of mind for the off chance it snows, and are vastly more comfortable to enter and exit.

And it's not like modern SUVs are that bad on gas anymore. Boomers upgraded from either older trucks or have moved on from older sedans. They're only seeing improvements.

[stoic ledge]

And it's not like modern SUVs are that bad on gas anymore.
Yet they still use more fuel compared to the same car in hatchback/sedan shape

[indigo coral]

tbh idc what y'all think, I like my RX

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[civic girder]

I've not seen that many SUVs that have that much more ride height than the average anything else

Most, especially cheap ones, are also only FWD so the snow point is mute. Wouldn't be any better than a FWD anything else.

SUVs somehow waste gas. Even hybrids and eco tuned turbos are worse in SUVs than the same engine in a sedan or hatchback.

They weigh more, have more drag, and typically have worse gearing

Sightlines I can see as a benefit, but it's usually not that much better than the average car and certainly not better than a minivan

Also, not really easier to get in and out. Most SUVs actually sit a little too high and can be harder to get in and out. Sedans are often just as hard because they sit low, but minivans are usually at a good height.

My grandparents much prefer their minivan over their last SUV because the van is actually easier to get in and out of

Still think 3 row SUV is a meme

And cargo space is a joke

Pretty sure my RX-7 has more usable cargo space than a decent amount of SUVs and crossovers

Apparently people just use the back seat as cargo space instead of the actual cargo space ig

What car is that?

I fail to see how the 8c relates to SUVs, but ok

[stoic ledge]

Luckily the MiTo has a massive trunk
Oh wait, nvm

[fathom socket]

how did you even sit in the driver seat

did you remove the front windscreen or something

damn

👀

must be quite a cat

[stoic ledge]

how did you even sit in the driver seat

[fathom socket]

im sorry to hear that

[stoic ledge]

oof missed that message

[fathom socket]

still unless you drive through heavy mud or whatever every week you really dont need an suv

[winter viper]

Many suv´s cant handle mud more than 1ft deep

[stoic ledge]

Most FWD CUVs are just as shite through mud as a regular hatchback

[fathom socket]

1st gen bmw mini probably could only fit like 100 cans or something

yeah if its 2wd just forget it

[stoic ledge]

Oof mine has never been that dirty lol

[fathom socket]

and the extra ride height just means you have a higher chance of rolling over

[stoic ledge]

To lower the risks and make the roads safer, all get Alfa 4C's

[fathom socket]

frick yeah

[dense shard]

The chances of a roll over are practically nil.

Unless you do some insane stunt.

[fathom socket]

its still statistically higher

and if the chances of such an event are nil in normal cases that small diff can mean alot

[winter viper]

@turbid onyx

[stoic ledge]

Mine's just clean, washed + waxed it today

[winter viper]

It was clean like 2h before ..

[dense shard]

Anyway. Most crossovers aren't that high off the ground, but are just high enough to be quite comfortable for older people to get in and out of.

Take the Nissan Rogue for example.

Or the CR-V or RAV4.

People are willing to pay for the extra comforts. Perceived or not.

[winter viper]

where i live suv and "bigger" cars are really expensive in road tax .. Like 2000+usd a year just in taxes

[stoic ledge]

Still, it's basically worst in every single way

Compare for example a A200 vs GLA200:

• 0-62mph: 8.2 vs 8.7s
• CO2: 120g/km vs 130g/km
• 1275kg vs 1485kg

[stoic ledge]

Yes

[dense shard]

no road tax in the US.

[stoic ledge]

Lucky

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3vYpZJvR/1990-peugeot-205-gti

Peugeot 205 GTi in the US 👀

[dense shard]

The seller is located in New Jersey, and has registered this GTi to his LLC in Montana. The car comes with a clean Montana title.

Classic

[stoic ledge]

[dense shard]

It's basically a tax dodge in the US.

[stoic ledge]

Even less taxes

[dense shard]

I guarantee you the car has never been there, and the owner likely doesn't live there more than a week.

[stoic ledge]

It's clean AF tho... And it's a great car

[dense shard]

true

[stoic ledge]

Yeah probably

Doug should review it

[civic spoke]

Engine swap, anyone? https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/ferrari-f40-engine

[stoic ledge]

Sold

[civic spoke]

£77,500

Honestly a screaming deal.

[civic girder]

but why would I overspend on a fancy ferrari engine when I could just put rotaries in everything instead

[indigo coral]

inb4 tavarish or someone bought it

[dense shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5TAQPyflUM

Fucking finally. Honda e reviews.

And I have to say, I love the styling.

[stoic ledge]

[dense shard]

I know it's not a cross country car, but as a commuter.

It would be hard to beat.

Also new rumors, PSA and FCA merging.
Fiat, Chrysler, AND Peugeot... three automakers famous for QC issues.

[stoic ledge]

PSA is doing very well lately

And those rumors have been out for longer (and even officially released)

[civic spoke]

I really wouldn't mind a Honda E.

The range of it is just enough for me.

[dense shard]

I haven't taken the rumors seriously tbh.

I know FCA has been rejected by everyone at least twice.

[stoic ledge]

The only thing holding them back (FCA/PSA) last time was Germany being afraid to get too big

Polestar

[fathom socket]

honda e looks nice im just not 100% on board with the interior

i mean the screens to be specific

[dusty radish]

@tight cypress lmao i put 70cc on runner and it went 140kmh according to gps

spid^2

insanity

I don't dare to give it everything at this point because it already tried to buck me off the back after full throttle at 50kmh

damn thing

might put 50cc back on thing is scary

there is something not right with that thing

[indigo coral]

ngl the Honda e looks cool

The Polestar is meh

Shame the Honda e will never be seen in the US

[dense shard]

It's not meant for the US market.

I doubt the Japanese will be introducing an EV to the US anytime soon.

Hybrids are letting them develop the drivetrain tech alongside batteries without going down the EV rabbit hole.

Dealers are in for a very very rude awakening when EV demand becomes a thing outside of Tesla.

[heady gate]

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/92X6Qgy4/1993-chevrolet-camaro-z-28

I got a major question here,should i apply for a loan to buy my first car?It would be used to get to collage BUT its a 1 year collage as i will have a job right after i graduate it.....

But another problem i have is my current job doesn't pay a lot as the corona stuff has a lot of places here shut down here

but i also pay half of my paycheck for rent because im living with my parents still

and i only make like 400 dollars every 2 weeks

[fathom socket]

@dense shard

They offer better sightlines, and are easier to get in and out of.
You still won't be able to see the car right in front of you with the big SUVs. And SUVs are not easier to get in and out of. I am over 6 feet and I find climbing into small hatchbacks a lot more easy. Though this might be that most SUVs I've been in have been really high cars.
Modern day crossovers/SUVs offer increased ride height, peace of mind for the off chance it snows, and are vastly more comfortable to enter and exit.
Increased ride height would only be useful if the car was actually utilitarian. And most "SUV's" nowadays are either FWD or FWD biased AWD, which are pretty useless in snow or any rough conditions compared to proper utilitarian 4WD.

What I'm pissed off about is that people think they are vehicles for all terrains while they are not any better than most hatchbacks

[dense shard]

There are currently 5 hatchbacks on sale in the US.

3 of them are on the smaller side.

One of them is fucking ugly.

America doesn't do hatchbacks.

And a modern SUV isn't so tall you can't see the car immediately in front of you.

[fathom socket]

It's not about it being so high