or whatever it is
#cars
stoic ledge
Yeah I've seen one on AutoScout, base Momentum but with Adaptive Cruise
Not even sat nav
sudden plaza
I prefer everything else except the adaptive stuff, BLIS stuff and remote heater
the panorama roof is soooo nice
I also don't have parking sensors in the front
they are also kinda rare
because they are combined with the auto parking feature
stoic ledge
Meh I'd rather have an opening dunroof tbh
stoic ledge
Yeah my brother doesn't like the lack of front parking sensors... The BMW had it (also rare) + the V40 bas quite a long nose
meh, that's gonna break
not on a Volvo
stoic ledge
Big enough for 2 
stoic ledge
I do like the heated windshield
sudden plaza
saaame
stoic ledge
Yeah same for him
stoic ledge
Ah well, it has the essentials
AC, radio, cruise control now I've fitted it... And most important with 83hp: sport chassis
misty jungle
stoic ledge
Yes, very car related
stoic ledge
Yes, tru
Even for my 140km/h cruising speed
Or 150 (but mostly 140)
And that for a fuel costing roughly 30c/liter
Literally cheaper than an EV
sudden plaza
That's kinda fast
My cruising speed is 105
My fuel consumption is around 1 liter 23 km
And with the golf 1 liter 12 km
Kek
And I only use E5 (0% ethanol) fuel on my Golf
Shell V-Power to be exact
stoic ledge
Well mine runs on LPG But speed has nearly 0 impact on the fuel economy lol
E5 can have up to 5% ethanol btw 😉
Although V-Power is second to none
Corsa does like 1 liter 13 km on LPG
LPG always uses like 15% more compared to gas which is basically 1:15.5 on gas
Which isn't bad for cruising at 140km/h
fathom socket
Wait so if you have an lpg convert car can you run on petrol or something
Like you start on petrol or diesel and then later enable the lpg
I think my mini has a worse turning circle than a vw touran
gaunt prism
You dont run diesel on LPG, need the spark.
LPG has low temp so car needs to start on gas then switch over once its warm
You dont disable anything, its put in on top as a second system
Its not that hard to install a full system
Its boiling point is -40C so in liquid form it freezes everything.
fathom socket
not bad at all
i always assumed that if you ran out of lpg it'd be like running out of fuel
if my car wasnt worth so little id consider it
fathom socket
LPG is something you put into worthless cars
Usually slow shitboxes
What you're doing with LPG is basically spending less money on fuel
Also you can technically run LPG on a Diesel engine
Either you drill some holes to put spark plugs inside your head
Or use a mix of both LPG and Diesel
Some companies in the mid 2000s experimented with the idea and found out that the cost savings from a system that allows you to run on a mix of LPG and Diesel is really not worth it
The engine also starts acting like a Petrol powered engine
And lose low end power
But gain more high end
fathom socket
ive seen plenty of nicer but older cars with it on autotrader
rolls royces etc
i think it makes sense to try and reduce the costs to run anything like that unless youre a billionaire
rx7 lpg when
devout atlas
dodge ram srt10 lpg when?
dense shard
Dunno if LPG is a worthless car thing.
It's a cheaper fuel that ends up being well worth the savings. In parts of Europe at any rate.
Also fun fact about the Viper engine.
Chrysler was too cheap to develop a totally new platform ever for the Viper, meaning they couldn't develop a new engine because anything else was too wide to fit the frame.
Basically FCA's cheapness relegated the V10 to obsolescence before the 3rd gen Viper was a thing.
devout atlas
Basically FCA's cheapness relegated the V10 to obsolescence before the 3rd gen Viper was a thing.
@dense shard that sounds like typical fca
dense shard
It predates FCA.
The basic Viper platform and engine didn't change over the entire production run.
Radical refinements, yes.
But actual fresh platforms? Nah. The car was stuck competing against the C4 long after the C6 was introduced.
Still... i wouldn't mind a 2nd gen Viper.
devout atlas
Still... i wouldn't mind a 2nd gen Viper.
@dense shard me too
it's less of a death machine compared to the 1st gen
I've heard
dense shard
I just like the styling.
devout atlas
I just like the styling.
@dense shard yes, that's a good fiat right there
dense shard
no need to ping me. I'm still here, and this channel never moves fast enough.
devout atlas
no need to ping me. I'm still here, and this channel never moves fast enough.
alright
"Im still here" is giving me some flashbacks
goood morning vietnam!
indigo coral
Ah dang, nice!
frank tundra
stang is my favourite
frank tundra
I really want an ACR
but used they’re like 130k
I mean if I sold my hellcat
I could probably finance one if it was at a dealership
Considering my credit is great
But they’re rarely ever at Dealers
And I’d rather not pay 130k cash
bitter compass
ahh a car without some stupid large screen thats what i call interior
thats seriously a horrible looking layout and seems meh
stoic ledge
Ah yes, zhe old Yaris
stoic ledge
cool
devout atlas
that reminds me of something that a suicidal child high on kool-aid would find nice
frosty oak
ok
tight cypress
hmmh
fathom socket
Anyone who's 193 cm tall can tell me?
fathom socket
I'm gonna to buy a moped
tight cypress
what moped
tight cypress
wtf is vespa
fathom socket
Italian
tight cypress
oh i see
fathom socket
Idk
stoic ledge
Anyone who's 193 cm tall can tell me?
@fathom socket I'm 194, and I don't fit
stoic ledge
fathom socket
I need something that I can use to commute for work
fathom socket
I need something that I can just deliver food for work
I don't have any money
for now
frank tundra
I tried out doing uber and ubereats in van, a couple weeks ago in the hellcat
using my friends account which was linked to a v6 charger
safe to say he got a lot of 5 star reviews that day 
fathom socket
I wanted to do über
But my car was a rust bucket
And I could fit only 2 Passages
Or 4 if other 2 were without legs
gaunt prism
Also you can technically run LPG on a Diesel engine
@fathom socket No, not really you have to change compression ratios and such, to make a diesel run on LPG you need to make it run on petrol first.
Usually slow shitboxes
@fathom socket Also not true, most of the systems i have installed are on bigger engines, v8s and such, mostly newer so its easy to recoup the cost of system
fathom socket
@gaunt prism wasn't it CNG
gaunt prism
No thats a different system
iirc thats alot higher pressure.
The only reason its cheaper is because its a byproduct of petrol. You use the same amount of fuel, just price is lower.
fathom socket
@tight cypress yamaha aerox 50cc
that's something that I could get RN
i really don't have time to choose
stoic ledge
LPG gets burned of if we don't use it as fuel
Basically
So as long as we make diesel and gas, LPG is actually very environmental friendly
And it gets installed in a wide range of cars, from small cars like my Corsa up to V8 pickup trucks and everything in-between
fathom socket
@stoic ledge I think u can't install lpg in every car
my ford doesn't like LPG
it turned out that the valves are worn down already
and I need to change them
stoic ledge
Well yeah ofc, the engines need to be suited for it
But if it does, it's a great thing to have
fathom socket
I really like the fact that I pay lower taxes
if u live in a country that pays taxes
for emmisions
fathom socket
hmm
devout atlas
Dutch Government: hmmmmm LPG emits less CO2, NOx..... Let's ask higher taxes
@stoic ledge i see no problem here
stoic ledge
devout atlas
the higher the displacement
the heavier the engine is
probably
therefore
a viper should cost less to insure
than a 0.8 corsa
fathom socket
hmm
in poland is the engine size
but the insurance goes up
so I can have a 5.6l cadillac and pay like 4k insurance
when I can have a 2.0 focus st and pay like 1k
fathom socket
if that was still a thing
devout atlas
oh
stoic ledge
devout atlas
same thing
fathom socket
rotatory engines don't last that long
fathom socket
without maintenance
devout atlas
death at 80k
stoic ledge
eastman51 enters the chat
fathom socket
In poland I could just swap the negine for something else
stoic ledge
it's based on vehicle weight + fuel type here
fathom socket
because they don't check if the engine matches the car
unless u put diesel in it
so I could get a 1.4 focus
and swap for the 2.0
and pay the 1.4 insurance
stoic ledge
They do check it here for annual inspection
AND if you get in an accident, you're not insured
gaunt prism
it turned out that the valves are worn down already
@fathom socket You need a flash lube system
fathom socket
I need to change them
the gas is cold
and it burns really hot
hotter than gasoline
gaunt prism
Petrol lubricates the valves
Gas being in gas form doesnt, the installer should have put a flashlube system to stop the valves burning out
fathom socket
this just happenes with fords
gaunt prism
early direct injection engine suffer with valves burning anyway
No VWs are bad for it too
devout atlas
No VWs are bad for it too
@gaunt prism no WV never bad
gaunt prism
hahaha i think my sarcasm detector is broken :p
Early FSI engines had major valve issues
To the point where my company wouldnt convert them to LPG even with a flashlube system
devout atlas
VW good
gaunt prism
I like VW tbh
gaunt prism
I wouldnt put it past the rest of them to be doing something similar
They just havnt been found out yet
stoic ledge
@gaunt prism no WV never bad
@devout atlas VW always bad
Gas being in gas form doesnt, the installer should have put a flashlube system to stop the valves burning out
@gaunt prism Not necessary if the engine is good 😛
gaunt prism
No, not always, most non direct injection dont need it.
youre right i was saying :p
Even a bad engine can withstand it though with the right system
stoic ledge
that's true
But I wouldn't get it installed if the engine asn't right for it
looks at "factory" installed Mazda2 LPG system
gaunt prism
Have not seen that system. Most Factory LPG systems in UK (Looks at vauxhaul/opel) are actually fitted by the dealers
flint sable
I wonder where that car is now
I think they made two
An orange one and that yellow one
stoic ledge
In Wolfsburg probably
stoic ledge
But uhm, the Mazda 2 needed valve adjustment every 18k miles + new valves after 3 adjustments \
Opel's (atleast mine is) does have it fitted by Opel Special Vehicle, not by the dealer
gaunt prism
That flashlube system probably would have saved the valves from being replaced at all
stoic ledge
They have a special production line for it in Germany
That flashlube system probably would have saved the valves from being replaced at all
True, but they didn't
gaunt prism
oh, thast interesting
stoic ledge
I have some pics of the Opel Special Vehicle (OSV) production line
It's even specified in the spec list as such
That's the OSV line in Germany
gaunt prism
Still retro fit though, wouldnt call that factory.Looks nice though
stoic ledge
Well how else would you like to fit it?
gaunt prism
In the factory when theyre building the car.
stoic ledge
This basically is, it's the production hall besides it
gaunt prism
I like how hes using the engine hoist for the tank lol
gaunt prism
I guess im being a bit too technicality
stoic ledge
You can see the OSV (Opel Special Vehicle) sign in the back
It's too big of un undertaking to do between the non-LPG vehicles
It would just slow down the process of all the non-LPG cars
gaunt prism
I think its more of a safety issue, you need them to be signed off as safe.
devout atlas
haha
stoic ledge
That too probably
stoic ledge
Imagine paying 7.5USD/gallon for regular
Then you won't be driving a vehicle which goes 15 MPG
dense shard
Paying over 2 dollars a gallon at 15 mpg is already not appealing to me.
Doing it for a 20 gallon gas tank is murder on the wallet.
stoic ledge
Do that times 4 basically, and it's like living in 🇳🇱
For such a vehicle, add some road tax of €150-200/month
dense shard
first time I'm hearing of flash lube.
Sounds like a good way to foul the intake valves.
The very idea of oiling my valves sounds like snake oil. Carbon build up on the valves is something that's been a huge issue on VWs in the past.
fathom socket
Guess what
dense shard
Maybe it's an LPG thing, but I wouldn't trust it to save anything.
fathom socket
No moped for me
dense shard
oof?
stoic ledge
LPG runs cleaner, leaving no carbon build up
dense shard
Well... idea is that carbon build up in DI cars is thanks to EGR and oil blow by getting into the intake.
Coats the intake valve, and basically cooks on over x amount of time.
Could be LPG runs cleaner and cooler.
Well... cooler being the important thing.
Then again only VW seems to have the issue become bad enough to mention. Mazda supposedly has it handled. Even have a built in oil catch can.
dense shard
News to me.
In the course of one page of google searching I got 3 different answers. lol
stoic ledge
dense shard
sooooo....
stoic ledge
As far as I know, it runs hotter
dense shard
Opel can design an engine.
stoic ledge
Yes
dense shard
VW cannot.
dense shard
Nothing new was learned today.
dense shard
Superior design is dual injection for petrol.
stoic ledge
dense shard
DI and Port injection seems to be working.
jagged finch
Tesla is great
devout atlas
Tesla is great
@jagged finch I'll pretend that you didn't say that
civic spoke
Mansory is as much as a trainwreck as ever.
jagged finch
but why?
civic spoke
Are Tesla actually great? Because they are not in my opinion.
You have no idea what kind of car you get when you buy from them.
Considering that they are constantly doing revisions on their models.
jagged finch
i do belive Tesla has the best privacy best production Standards and a continuing qualitiy
dense shard
Okay also poor build quality.
jagged finch
"irony off"
dense shard
Their production standards fall short.
civic spoke
Their quality control is lacking.
dense shard
And it isn't just assembly of the cars. Apparently their paint facilities fall far short of the industry standard.
jagged finch
Tesla is like a kickstarter idea
jagged finch
it s a good idea but the product actually sucks
dense shard
nah, the product doesn't suck per se.
devout atlas
also, the wood trim is spongy. that's worse than 2000s GM
dense shard
If Tesla could work out their constant QC issues. They'd be pretty freaking great, and my only issue then would be price and business model.
I hate Tesla's DLC/tech approach to cars.
jagged finch
and privacy
jagged finch
yes
devout atlas
nothing new there
jagged finch
thats my problem
devout atlas
so does every big tech firm
jagged finch
sure but there is no real alternative
dense shard
No real alternative to what?
devout atlas
Tesla isn't a tech firm.
@dense shard yes, but data harvesting is nothing new
these days
you either go kali
or deal with it
jagged finch
have u heard of someone who rooted a tesla?
dense shard
I can opt out of Toyota's data tracking.
civic spoke
There are plenty of alternatives to Tesla vehicles these days.
dense shard
People have fucked with Tesla firmware.
stoic ledge
Tesla isn't a tech firm.
Meh some argue it's a tech company selling cars
dense shard
They don't have fast charging anymore.
jagged finch
anyway the GLC FCell is still a better solution
civic spoke
Model S was just a great piece of powertrain when it came out in 2012. Which is what really got them going.
stoic ledge
Fcell is hydrogen
jagged finch
yea
dense shard
Hydrogen is a weird tech.
jagged finch
its better than battery
dense shard
It's just an EV, but with more steps.
civic spoke
Their whole charging network is also great. Which is what they have banked on.
jagged finch
why
dense shard
Because hydrogen isn't readily available in nature.
civic spoke
Hydrogen doesn't require the same use of hazardous materials.
As you do with battery production
dense shard
It just requires to be stored under high pressure.
jagged finch
It's just an EV, but with more steps.
@dense shard sure but it provides solutions that batteries dont
devout atlas
Because hydrogen isn't readily available in nature.
@dense shard 78 percent of normal air would like to know your location
stoic ledge
But hydrogen has its own hazards
dense shard
And hydrogen still requires a battery somewhere in the loop.
78% of our air is Nitrogen.
stoic ledge
78% of our air is Nitrogen.
This
dense shard
Not hydrogen.
dense shard
Hydrogen is mostly harvested from either water cracking or from natural gas production.
devout atlas
stoic ledge
True
civic spoke
I've heard that hydrogen vehicles are dang cheap if you can get one with one of those paid fuel cards.
dense shard
Neither of which are economical for a mass market.
devout atlas
Hydrogen is mostly harvested from either water cracking or from natural gas production.
@dense shard eLeCtrOlySis
dense shard
And then there's the issue of hydrogen infrastructure literally not existing.
stoic ledge
I could create hydrogen at home
jagged finch
dense shard
Here's the thing. Electrolysis takes electricity to produce.
civic spoke
@dense shard Literally the biggest issue.
devout atlas
Here's the thing. Electrolysis takes electricity to produce.
@dense shard yes
making hydrogen fuel cells counter productive
jagged finch
thats a great way of managing a offgrid supply chain for hydrogen
devout atlas
as you'll prolly have a coal plant
dense shard
Why spend electricity to make a fuel that will make electricity when you can just store the electricity directly?
devout atlas
providing electricity
civic spoke
Anyone can honestly daily an EV. But everyone can't daily a hydrogen vehicles.
As long as you can charge the EV at home, I should add.
dense shard
It's not better tho.
stoic ledge
Here's the thing. Electrolysis takes electricity to produce.
Which shouldn't be that big of an issue with Nuclear Power xD
Although, it's great to use the overproduction on a sunny day of solar panels to create hydrogen
dense shard
Hydrogen by nature is a more energy intensive fuel to use.
The cost per unit of fuel is pretty high from what I understand.
stoic ledge
Hydrogen is like less than half as efficient as just batteries
stoic ledge
Fun fact: you can run combustion engines on hydrogen
jagged finch
but in a global scale batterys from today are neither capable of loading nor beeing produced
dense shard
Hydrogen fuel cells also require rare earth elements.
gaunt prism
The very idea of oiling my valves sounds like snake oil. Carbon build up on the valves is something that's been a huge issue on VWs in the past.
@dense shard You dont get much carbon build up in petrols. It doesnt gunk up the valves, it just uses enough to cool them a little. It replaces the lubrication action of the petrol fuel. It actually works really well.
dense shard
And there's still the issue of there being no hydrogen fueling infrastructure.
civic spoke
I just want something like an ID.3
And to be able to charge it in the garage.
stoic ledge
It's a VW, so I'll pass
jagged finch
ID.3 sucks
dense shard
EVs, LPGs, Natgas, Petrol, and diesel work in the world.
gaunt prism
I have fit many systems myself.#
dense shard
They all use preexisting infrastructure to transport the fuel.
Hydrogen is literally a ground up effort.
gaunt prism
Gasoline isn't a lubricant.
@dense shard Youre wrong
dense shard
I'm not.
jagged finch
u can usw pipelines from gas to Transport hydrogen
jagged finch
by carbonisation
dense shard
Diesel isn't petrol.
jagged finch
creates higher burn value
gaunt prism
Petrol lubricates valves as it passes over
dense shard
Leaded gasoline was an additive in the early days because it was a lubricant.
gaunt prism
You say any different and you dont know what you are talking about
dense shard
If gasoline is a lubricant... why do 2 stroke engines need oil?
If gasoline is a lubricant, why do rotaries need oil?
gaunt prism
because its not as good as oil for engines
dense shard
Bud, so far you've accused me of not knowing, but you aren't exactly talking sense.
gaunt prism
water is a lubricant in the right situation
dense shard
now you are being pedantic.
devout atlas
It's a VW, so I'll pass
@stoic ledge the XL1 would like to know your location
gaunt prism
you cant run a camshaft on petrol
stoic ledge
@stoic ledge the XL1 would like to know your location
@devout atlas sure
devout atlas
because 48hp diesel WVs are the most fun
gaunt prism
I agree its not oil
devout atlas
civic spoke
Can't get 48 hp cars anywhere these days.
gaunt prism
What im trying to do is make you undertstand, not pedantic.
stoic ledge
Get an old Lupo 3L and modify it to be a Lupo 2L
Some dude in Finland did just that
He got up to 1.95L/100km
civic spoke
dense shard
You do understand that telling people they are wrong is a shit way of proving you are right, you know that?
fathom socket
gaunt prism
No i was explaining that water is a libricant.
fathom socket
Looks like I'm gonna to have to drive the Yaris
civic spoke
Audi V8 in a Lupo. 
dense shard
You didn't explain anything.
fathom socket
It's terryfying for me
dense shard
You just said water can be a lubricant in the right situation.. which is a total tangent.
fathom socket
Compared to my focus
gaunt prism
How
dense shard
wow, you've worked on cars for 20 years.
dense shard
Then explain it to me like you have.
gaunt prism
you clearly dont the consept of lubricant
fathom socket
Use diesel as lubricant
dense shard
Cause right now you sound like you are 12.
dense shard
"oh look at me I worked on cars for 20 years"
And you know I haven't worked on cars for 30 years how?
gaunt prism
Diesel is used to lubricate the injectors yes?
dense shard
diesel =/= gasoline
fathom socket
I've worked on cars for 20 minutes
dense shard
Not diesel.
It is reasonable to infer that the inherent lubricity of
gasoline will be poorer than that of aviation fuel and diesel fuel due to the lighter distillation
cut, in which natural antiwear impurity concentration will be lower. Fortunately and till
now, the lubricity requirements of gasoline are generally much lower than for diesel since
gasoline fuel injection systems inject fuel upstream of the inlet valves and thus operate at
much lower pressures than diesel fuel pumps.
You start shit, then give up.
gaunt prism
and youre going to take that as petrol doesnt lubricate
civic spoke
Hol-up. 1.2 TDI?
stoic ledge
Yes
dense shard
My understanding has always been that petrol's lubricity is so low it tends to act more as a solvent.
gaunt prism
Well im telling you that valves use petrol as lubrication.
civic spoke
Laugh my ass off.
dense shard
how
stoic ledge
First he did 2L/100km in a Lupo, then he put that engine in an A8
tight cypress
dont get yamaha aerox @fathom socket
dense shard
I'm not sure how valves need to be lubricated.
And how that relates to carbon build up.
civic spoke
60 hp in that 1.2 TBI
dense shard
And I'm not sure how spraying oil on valves helps.
civic spoke
Stock. Probably not the way he has it tuned.
dense shard
As oil spraying is the leading cause of carbon build up on modern DI engines.
gaunt prism
they need to be lubricated because two metal surfaces hitting each other will cause wear. Who said anything about carbon?
civic spoke
I should restart my computer. Or just clean out my Chrome browser.
Using up so much RAM at the moment...
dense shard
I have been since that lube whatever thing was mentioned for LPG.
gaunt prism
Di is diesel
dense shard
DI= direct injection
gaunt prism
right
gaunt prism
thats why they suffer with valves being burnt out
tight cypress
inglish
dense shard
I haven't heard of any valve burn issues on DI gasoline engines.
Carbon build up, yes.
Burning valves, no.
stoic ledge
Stock. Probably not the way he has it tuned.
It wass quite modified in the Polo at least
Also has a different turbo
Polo... I meant Lupo
viral matrix
civic spoke
I should honestly just get an scobox.
Considering I am doing 500 km's a week more often than not.
gaunt prism
Both early GDI and FSI engine had major problems with burning valves
gaunt prism
I love diesels
dense shard
Not a fan of the extra cost associated with em.
civic spoke
They aren't too much extra around here.
gaunt prism
They have their use, high miles
civic spoke
Often a tad higher taxes. But the fuel economy makes up for it.
stoic ledge
Only VW diesels
dense shard
In the US the cost of the engine is higher, the cost of the fuel is higher.
gaunt prism
Its slightly more expensive here but its usually uses a bit less.
stoic ledge
US yes, EU fuel is cheaper but higher tax, so you have to do some maths to make a choice
dense shard
It's a good deal more pricey in the US.
gaunt prism
Wonder why that is.
dense shard
American refineries are more geared towards gasoline production.
Also I imagine diesel is taxed more due to the commerical uses.
civic spoke
Probably wouldn't mind this as an only car.
dense shard
But the price of the engine option alone kills it for me.
civic spoke
Knowing me, I'd never brake for corners.
gaunt prism
I thought diesel was a by product of petrol
dense shard
Dunno the specifics, just what I read from many a year ago.
gaunt prism
oil goes through fractional distilation
stoic ledge
Distillation creates different types of fuel
dense shard
-The transition to less polluting, lower-sulfur diesel fuels in the United States affected diesel fuel production and distribution costs.
-The federal excise tax for on-highway diesel fuel of 24.3 cents per gallon is 6 cents per gallon higher than the federal excise tax on gasoline.
gaunt prism
So they boil the oil, and different substances boil or condense at different temps
Lower sulfer hmmmm
gaunt prism
Wonder if UK uses lower sulfer version
dense shard
I imagine they do.
gaunt prism
I love BMWs.
dense shard
Then again maybe not considering how many issues Europe has with federalizing diesels in the US.
Looking at you... FCA, VAG, Mercedes, uhhhhhhh BMW probably.
Stronger Demand for Diesel in Other Countries
While the U.S. remains reliant on gasoline (approximately 98% of vehicles in America are powered by gasoline), demand for diesel fuel in other countries remains high. A majority of European vehicles use diesel fuel. Growing and developing countries like India and China have placed a greater demand on diesel fuel supplies.
gaunt prism
Whats making me think we are not is theres really no contest about which is more economical
dense shard
Price wise though, diesel takes a very long time to pay down.
gaunt prism
Then again, most of ours are manuals, for fuel saving reasons
civic spoke
Thank God that my new truck isn't annoying to fuel up with the Adblue.
dense shard
Especially with modern gasoline engines being as efficient as they are.
stoic ledge
We've chosen the diesel V40 over the gas V40 since it was 5000€ cheaper to purchase
And running cost are basically the same
Even less due to less maintenance
dense shard
Amusingly it's almost the opposite in the US.
No tax break in the US means you'll have to eat the cost of the diesel. That's anywhere from 2-5 grand more.
Plus extra cost of the fuel itself... you basically have to cross country daily to make it pay off before you hit your warranty. lol
gaunt prism
yea we dont have that high of a premium on diesel engine. Maybe 1k difference at 25k.
stoic ledge
New diesel cars nowadays in 🇳🇱 are more expensive than the gas model
dense shard
I wonder why.
stoic ledge
But they used to be similarly priced
fathom socket
EU being a thief
gaunt prism
DPF is a factor
dense shard
I wonder if a certain people's car had anything to do with that.
dense shard
Imagine being the biggest proponent for clean diesel while cheating and making the dirtiest.
gaunt prism
Yet to drive a full electric car.
dense shard
gg VAG.
stoic ledge
A 2020 Corsa 1.5 diesel, with 100hp, demands a 4000€ emissions tax
fathom socket
I mean I saw a Tesla attached to diesel generator once
Due to lack of charging stations
dense shard
Difference is Daimler, FCA, and BMW were able to fix their issues and it wasn't quite as malicious as VW's was.
gaunt prism
lol
dense shard
Apparently it killed fuel economy and power.
stoic ledge
Away
gaunt prism
They dont make daewoo anymore
dense shard
Only diesel automaker I trust is Mazda right now.
gaunt prism
owned by chev now
fathom socket
@devout atlas u gonna to be fucking kidding me
devout atlas
it's an amazing 0.8L engine
@devout atlas u gonna to be fucking kidding me
@fathom socket no, that car is the best
it's adorable
fathom socket
gaunt prism
Mazda is owned by ford iirc
fathom socket
This is the best
dense shard
no
stoic ledge
No
stoic ledge
Ok so emssions tax Corsa diesel: 4k
Same power gas model: 2.4k
fathom socket
@devout atlas this one is the best
devout atlas
ok
gaunt prism
was going to say ive seen 12 plate ford/mazdas
stoic ledge
It's the G-Wiz?
dense shard
The last shared car Ford and Mazda had was their pick up truck.
gaunt prism
If you want small pos, look peugeot 107
dense shard
Mazda has since moved on to Isuzu.
gaunt prism
Come on now
devout atlas
contemporary styling
stoic ledge
that looks like a tata
silk gate
ageless design
devout atlas
it's totally not a badge engineered pos
dense shard
ageless design... it was always ugly, and always will be
stoic ledge
Definetly
dense shard
dense shard
Multipla was a fun looking car.
gaunt prism
thats the worst car ever made
dense shard
nah, Daihatsu Mira is the worst car ever.
stoic ledge
Multipla is great
gaunt prism
Think i would buy the city before that
stoic ledge
Any VW is the worst car ever made
devout atlas
nah, Daihatsu Mira is the worst car ever.
@dense shard you mean the Perodua n i p p a?
silk gate
how about this fucking piece of artistic beauty
gaunt prism
a picasso
dense shard
Having driven the Mira...
dense shard
It was a tiny shitbox that didn't even have FM radio.
devout atlas
Having driven the Mira...
@dense shard best car
dense shard
It was by far the worst.
devout atlas
you refuse
stoic ledge
It's the facelifted Xsara Picasso tho
dense shard
And I've driven a lot of shit in my time.
stoic ledge
@gaunt prism it's not even a Picasso anymore
devout atlas
the nippa is a badge engineered mira
dense shard
I'd take a 90s Escort over the Mira.
stoic ledge
It's a SpaceTourer now
devout atlas
looks kinda different
silk gate
you obviously havent driven a mk1 fiesta
gaunt prism
Its the only car with an american style shifter, behind the sterring wheel
stoic ledge
Mercedes does the same thing
dense shard
column shifters are good
devout atlas
we mortals are not fit to drive it
stoic ledge
@devout atlas Dacia Sandero
dense shard
At least it isn't the Vega.
gaunt prism
I think you may be right there mk
dense shard
That car came with a siezed engine out the factory.
devout atlas
@devout atlas Dacia Sandero
@stoic ledge mythical car
gaunt prism
haha
silk gate
mmmm
silk gate
bestest
devout atlas
you'll go out like a man when you crash into a VW golf at 20mph
oh wait
can the gremlin even do 20?
silk gate
3rd best
devout atlas
remember what this is?
silk gate
the station wagon one looks like it was made by a god
silk gate
look at this beauty
devout atlas
delete that
devout atlas
meanwhile, in britain
silk gate
triumph should've just kept their minds in bikes
silk gate
they also did make the bonneville
devout atlas
gaunt prism
Most of our old cars are a joke
devout atlas
g'day Welshman
silk gate
fast boi
silk gate
mfw gbt traffic laws are still based on anglias
devout atlas
this ford is best ford
gaunt prism
Washing machine engine
tight cypress
lmao ford
silk gate
anglia rear wheel drive=sports car
gaunt prism
DB7 is the best ford imo
tight cypress
tawny pewter
gaunt prism
Those were the good days
silk gate
thank you for the message
silk gate
this renault best renault
stoic ledge
Oof
gaunt prism
lol 1.5 d
stoic ledge
1.3 TCe as well
gaunt prism
Nissas uses alot of renault stuff
tawny pewter
silk gate
but wait
stoic ledge
Yes, there's a Nissan-Renault Alliance
silk gate
amg
stoic ledge
Old one
tight cypress
my renault best renault
tight cypress
yes
tawny pewter
this is my dream car
gaunt prism
The good a class is A45 AMG
stoic ledge
A160 even
silk gate
even better
stoic ledge
Imagine driving a pReMiUm product with 109hp
Even the base Astra or Focus can beat it, costing 10k less
silk gate
Imagine buying a car which has been painted over rust
stoic ledge
tawny pewter
when you want to get a car but you have no money
stoic ledge
No
tawny pewter
lolllllllllllllllll
silk gate
still better suspension than my mk1 fiesta
stoic ledge
Probably
gaunt prism
The experience you get from that merc will far outclass any astra
silk gate
yeah, i like the experience of an all plastic interior
stoic ledge
The experience of crying while ticking the many boxes on the option list for stuff that should be standard?
gaunt prism
Not sure what you drove but here they are not full of shitty plastic
silk gate
oh no i didnt drive, i built them
silk gate
and sheet metal wheels
stoic ledge
It's a Mercedes, not farming equipment
gaunt prism
The ones ive driven have been soft touch leather steering wheels
stoic ledge
Yeah steelies with hubcaps
gaunt prism
Maybe ive never driven a base model
stoic ledge
Well that comes from the options list lol
Base A-er is horrendous
The new A-class, you know those 2 nice wide-screens in front of your nose? Those are optional
Like a grand each
gaunt prism
Dont think ive ever seen one with steel wheels either tbh
silk gate
mfw when someone ordered an a series with no other options checked but the badgeless amg body kit
stoic ledge
Classic
gaunt prism
Shouldve bought a clio
stoic ledge
gaunt prism
oh wow
silk gate
thats a beauty
gaunt prism
yea ive never seen that
stoic ledge
Look at those thicc bezels
gaunt prism
Wait theyre not steelys
gaunt prism
you can see the caliper?
civic spoke
I don't really like Mercedes cars. idk why.
Well, At least the modern ones.
Give me a 30 year old Merc and I'm set.
stoic ledge
They're steelies with hubcaps. Trust me
gaunt prism
Maybe im seeing things
stoic ledge
And no that's not a leather wrapped steeringwheel
gaunt prism
but that looks like a caliper
silk gate
yeah well
stoic ledge
Now a days you can have those fancy 5 spoke steelies, maybe those are the rims behind it, idk
gaunt prism
fucking marketing scam
stoic ledge
It are hubcaps tho
gaunt prism
That looks so bad tbh
stoic ledge
That's pReMiUm
Literally nothing is standard
Last gen Audi A1, I could spec it up to €55k without AC
Last gen Audi A4: light in the glovebox optional
Stupid stuff like that
civic spoke
stoic ledge
But even the bass A-class, the driver screen is just big enough for 1 gauge
gaunt prism
lol optional glovebox
stoic ledge
The rest js covered up by plastic
silk gate
these nets are optional also
civic spoke
Germany lyf.
stoic ledge
Ofcourse they are
charred depot
Imagine buying a car new anyway :^)
civic spoke
I would almost be up for it.
But it would at least have to be 1-2 years old already.
stoic ledge
Ok so a A160 109hp manual here starts at €33k here
For the same price, I can get a Ford Focus Titanium with everything selected on the options list
gaunt prism
but customizing is nice i guess
charred depot
I would of got a older car but I also need something that will pass the MOT for a good couple years without big issues
stoic ledge
I'd be broke if I did
silk gate
oh and if you want led lights there, it extra
gaunt prism
I dont think a fuly loaded focus can compare to a fully loaded merc though
silk gate
thats glc by the way
gaunt prism
I like the focus though
charred depot
Big problem where I live is rust
My 10 year old car is already getting screwed by it heavily
stoic ledge
Nah I'll swipe one when they're 3-4 years old. Often first owner, well equipped, well taken care off, lost half it's value
silk gate
dont buy a mercedes then, they are painted over rusty metal
charred depot
Tis a Mazda
silk gate
atleast a series and glc are
civic spoke
The most basic BMW 118i starts from 258,100 kr over here. So like €25,000 for one.
gaunt prism
Are US mercs made in germany or US?
silk gate
depends on the model
stoic ledge
I dont think a fuly loaded focus can compare to a fully loaded merc though
@gaunt prism no because a 1.5 Turbo 182hp Focus with B&O sound system, pano roof, leather, heated electric seats is worse than a A-class with 109hp, plastic steeringwheel and hubcaps
civic spoke
Some are made in Mexio, are they not?
stoic ledge
Some are
silk gate
a-series and glc are made in finland also
civic spoke
Perkele.
gaunt prism
no, you missed the fully loaded bit
gaunt prism
fully loaded focus over base a class any day
stoic ledge
But that's like a fully loaded Ford Fiesta in price difference lol
tidal hemlock
aventador bus
stoic ledge
gaunt prism
The only cars i dont really like and i cant really explain why is jap cars
gaunt prism
What is that?