cars

[dense shard]

I wouldn't be surprised.

No one likes being deafened.

[stoic ledge]

I do

[civic girder]

Volume =/= good

[fathom socket]

it’s an automatic c10 from the mid 70’s, he’s gotta have something going for him

[dense shard]

Open headers isn't going for him.

It's going against him.

[fathom socket]

really, the whole truck goes against him

The officers around here could care less

He hasn’t gotten any noise complaints yet

[civic girder]

The only reason there's no complaints is because people know the cops won't do anything

[fathom socket]

probably

[civic girder]

So they have to sit there while their ears bleed because they are out of options

[dense shard]

pretty much

And people with loud exhausts aren't really approachable, so it's not like you can ask em to stop.

[fathom socket]

They are probably used to it out here, since all cars either have no exhaust or holes in said exhaust

With no emissions tests, people don’t do anything about their exhaust unless they have to

[dense shard]

"it's muh right as a 'murican citizen to have a loud pipe, General Lee didn't die on the cross for no Prius driver"

[civic girder]

Around here, cops usually won't write you up for loud exhaust unless it's excessive. But if they pull you over for something else then they will add it to the list

[fathom socket]

oof

[civic girder]

We have a 60db limit iirc

[devout atlas]

A car that marketed itself to an audience that was literally dying out... based on the Lincoln LS, the abject failure.
@dense shard it's not based on a lincoln LS, it is a glorified lincoln LS

[civic girder]

But I think it only really applies at night time

[dense shard]

That's worse.

but it is based on a Lincoln.

[devout atlas]

believe it or not

[dense shard]

As the LS was never sold as a 2 door.

[devout atlas]

some people like those

like me

[dense shard]

few people liked them.

[devout atlas]

I like big, underpowered american cars

[dense shard]

The Lincoln LS was considered a massive flop.

The BMW 5 series competitor that couldn't even compete against the CTS.

[devout atlas]

I can't wait to move to the states

[civic girder]

Lincoln is like Audi. Audi is better than VW, but it's still VW. Lincoln is better than Ford, but it's still Ford

[dense shard]

Audi is notably better than VW tho... and they have unique products in their stack.

[devout atlas]

Lincoln is like Audi. Audi is better than VW, but it's still VW. Lincoln is better than Ford, but it's still Ford
@civic girder rs6 v10?

[dense shard]

Lincoln is just a Ford with lipstick on.

[devout atlas]

hello?

Lincoln is just a Ford with lipstick on.
@dense shard lincoln is a ford with a metal hip and an estate in florida

[dense shard]

ah yes... the RS6. The most popular car in a demographic that can't afford it.

[devout atlas]

👌

[dense shard]

The RS6 Avant, the most desirable car for the age brackets of 16-18.

[devout atlas]

oh boy

can't wait to move to the states and buy a volvo s80 though

oh boy

[dense shard]

Find a good mechanic.

You'll need em.

[devout atlas]

2002 volvo s80

[dense shard]

Ford Era Volvos aren't that fondly remembered.

[devout atlas]

gulp

hey, it's better than a nippa

[dense shard]

A Nippa being?

[devout atlas]

perodua nippa?

daihatsu mira?

[dense shard]

I drove a Mira... it was among the worst cars I had ever driven.

[devout atlas]

yes

the volvo is better

[dense shard]

Walking is better.

[devout atlas]

after the volvo, I really want to move on to that sweet SOHC 4.6 modular panther-body life

[dense shard]

If you can find any that still run.

[devout atlas]

plenty of crown vics kickin

[dense shard]

The cop car one were beat to shit, and aren't long of this world.

[indigo coral]

straight piped Lexus RX when

[dense shard]

There aren't many CVs left in Alabama.

[devout atlas]

if not, I'll have to go dohc 4.6 modular with the marauder

[dense shard]

Imagine paying 10k for a Panther.

[devout atlas]

no, the p71 interceptors are for posers

Imagine paying 10k for a Panther.
@dense shard hey, we all have our fetishes

[dense shard]

Those are priced at delusional prices.

[devout atlas]

true

bang on

[dense shard]

"It's a Marauder, it's good, we swear it's just like a modern day Grand National."

It isn't.

[indigo coral]

If you're gonna play cop get one of the cop taurses

[dense shard]

no one uses Crown Vics anymore.

[devout atlas]

if you wanna play cop, go p71 interceptor

those are actual cop cars

[dense shard]

If you want to cosplay a cop, you buy a Tahoe or Explorer.

[devout atlas]

no one uses Crown Vics anymore.
@dense shard I saw a few when I visited your country

[dense shard]

In black.

[indigo coral]

Actually state patrol and sherrifs here still use a few crown vics

[dense shard]

The newbie sled.

[devout atlas]

*p71 interceptors

[indigo coral]

But we live in an area w/o rust

[dense shard]

My area has changed over entirely to not Crown Vics.

So Chargers, Tahoes, Explorers.

[devout atlas]

chargers are fine

ish

[dense shard]

A few Taurus.

A charger is actually fast.

[indigo coral]

Our area has taurus, explorer, fusion, Model S, highlander, F150, Tahoe, Suburban, Impala and Charger

[dense shard]

A stock Crown Vic is already no faster than my Corolla.

Add 500 pounds of equipment, and it becomes glacial as far as cop duties go.

[stoic ledge]

No Mercedes B-class diesels with glued flappy pedal gearboxes?

[indigo coral]

Nope

[stoic ledge]

Sad

[tight cypress]

@stoic ledge cyl coming yes

[stoic ledge]

Those are ofcourse the superior police cars

@tight cypress noice

🧀

[tight cypress]

hype for new parts yes

[dense shard]

oh, of course some police departments have Porsches or Corvettes.

y'know... for "PR"

[tight cypress]

prrprrr

[indigo coral]

Oof wot

Vette police cars?

[fathom socket]

Fuck

[indigo coral]

RIP

[tight cypress]

life is

[fathom socket]

Rip focus left door

Handle

[tight cypress]

now ya dont need the door

[dense shard]

It's PR shit.

Or seized drug cars.

They show up at cars and coffee to flex their base 911.

[indigo coral]

They use all their cars for traffic cop duty here

Somehow

I didn't know you could use a non-pursuit rated car for traffic duty

[tight cypress]

prrtprrrt

yeah they only use transporters here

nothin else

[stoic ledge]

Ah yes, zhe Transporters

[devout atlas]

hey again

[stoic ledge]

We have those as well

[devout atlas]

you can call me BillNyetheHeavyAndSlowAmericanCarFanboy

[tight cypress]

or might use some oldass focus

[dense shard]

I doubt the use vettes for traffic duty.

[indigo coral]

They dont need spike strips when you have the Model S on your fleet

[dense shard]

I've only ever seen them used for DARE shit.

[indigo coral]

The body panels falling off work just as well

[dense shard]

Oh a local city had a... get this.

A Mazda Navajo.

[devout atlas]

we need caterham interceptors

vote BillNyeForPresident

[dense shard]

meh

Cops have enough cars.

[devout atlas]

I'll bring back the panther body

[dense shard]

ew

[indigo coral]

what happened to aerial?

[dense shard]

Those were under powered turds.

[devout atlas]

what happened to aerial?
@indigo coral arial?

[stoic ledge]

Aerial left

[indigo coral]

Ye

[devout atlas]

Those were under powered turds.
@dense shard freedom ain't free

[dense shard]

That drank fuel like a Hummer.

I already pay my taxes.

[devout atlas]

[dense shard]

The Crown Vic was the de facto cop car because it was cheap to replace.

It was cheap to repair.

[indigo coral]

And durable mechanically

[dense shard]

Not really.

[fathom socket]

with a mildly decent motor

[dense shard]

Apparently the average taxi cab in New York would go through several transmissions before being retired.

Decent motor?

It was a 4.6L engine that made barely 220 horsepower.

[fathom socket]

Depends on the motor, then

[dense shard]

I think understressed is a poor excuse.

Under powered.

[indigo coral]

hey I have 220hp

[dense shard]

You get that power out of what.

3 liters?

[indigo coral]

3L V6

[dense shard]

Still running no?

[indigo coral]

Yes

[dense shard]

So much for understressed being better.

[indigo coral]

But it has a much easier life than a crown vic

Plus gets worse fuel economy

[dense shard]

And Modern Ford have no issues with keeping up.

3.5L, 300 horsepower.

[devout atlas]

220 is actually under-rated

[dense shard]

Wow, I don't hear about them failing.

[devout atlas]

ford tended to do that

[dense shard]

Ford didn't underrate their engines.

[indigo coral]

3.5L on the 2007 RX gets 300hp naturally aspirated

[devout atlas]

it's more like 225-230

[indigo coral]

And it's reliable af

[devout atlas]

allegedly

much like the mercury marauder

[dense shard]

225... wow 5 more horsepower.

[devout atlas]

yes

[dense shard]

The Marauder was 300...

It was a Lincoln InTech engine.

[devout atlas]

actually

302

XD

the triple carbs had 400

the base actually produces 320

allegedly

[stoic ledge]

Apparently the average taxi cab in New York would go through several transmissions before being retired.
Bwah that's to be expected after 500k miles of stop and go traffic tbh

[dense shard]

I haven't heard that being an issue in the Prius or other taxi cabs.

What was the small SUV Ford made?

[stoic ledge]

Escape?

[dense shard]

that's the one.

The Escape Hybrids apparently each had about 500k miles.

Original batteries.

How's that for durability?

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1063767_ford-hybrids-prove-durability-by-racking-up-most-taxi-miles

Honestly, the CV isn't a horrible car.

I honestly think it was vastly overrated.

[stoic ledge]

That's probably the benefit of a CVT right there

But yeah the Escape was a great NYC cab as far as I've heard/read (never been in one or anything)

[devout atlas]

dream car right there

[dense shard]

That's... extremely cheap.

[devout atlas]

yes

great for a guy who lives like a mendicant

[dense shard]

And that's overpriced.

[devout atlas]

oh

[dense shard]

American used car market is a whiplash of knowing what I got, no low ballers.

[devout atlas]

hmm

[stoic ledge]

Thonk

[dense shard]

oh, that's 500 dollars a month.

It's a lease

[devout atlas]

ye

volkswagen jetta time

[stoic ledge]

A VAG product with a TFSI engine and 250k km no thnx

[devout atlas]

prepare to spend $200k on repairs

[stoic ledge]

^ every month

[devout atlas]

more GVA

Grouppe Volkswagene Auddi

I just made that up

PantHer BoDy

anyway

gtg

[civic spoke]

@devout atlas I saw a PT Cruiser cab the other day.

[fathom socket]

Wanna see something weird

[stoic ledge]

Yes

[fathom socket]

I'm crazy

[stoic ledge]

Hi crazy, I'm MK

[fathom socket]

[stoic ledge]

Nice way of blocking your view to the right tho

[fathom socket]

Don't worry

It's just for show

Demoman 2020

Also

[stoic ledge]

[fathom socket]

What car should I get from this 4 cars

Mazda mx5 first Or 2nd gen

New beatle cabrio

Or saab 9 3 cabrio

I can't find cars that are more interesting in that price range

[viral matrix]

[civic spoke]

It's my guess that late 2020 will be a great time to buy a car.

[fathom socket]

I really need a car to get my ass to work

[civic spoke]

I really want an EV to cut down on costs.

[fathom socket]

Ev would bring the costs up here

They are like 40% more expensive

And the charging stations are more expensive than gasoline

[civic spoke]

EV only makes sense if you can charge at home on the daily.

[fathom socket]

In Switzerland u ha e free chargers

[civic spoke]

Or charge at one of your main locations.

[fathom socket]

But here

It's something like 26 cents per kwh

No wait

It costs 0.48 USD per kWh

[civic spoke]

You get up to 60,000 SEK bonus for getting a zero emissions vehicle.

Which is like $6,000

[fathom socket]

Thats almost nothing

[civic spoke]

And yearly tax is in the $30 range. Instead of the $200+ range.

[fathom socket]

Idk

[civic spoke]

I think I pay $260 in yearly tax?

[fathom socket]

Taxes

I don't pay taxes for my car

Yet

But ev doesn't make any sense for me since I don't have a garage or a driveway

And charging stations are ridiculously expensive

I can get 4x the range for the same price with my car

On like 5 mins I have full tank

And also i would be range limited

I can't do 500 km without charging

[civic spoke]

EV's are great as daily drivers. But sadly they really only work if you have a place to charge at.

Either place of work, or at home.

[fathom socket]

Plugin hybrids

[civic spoke]

It's also best if you have a secondary vehicle.

[fathom socket]

Plugin hybrids make more sencr

Because you don't need to pay for 2 cars

[civic spoke]

With have higher costs, though.

[fathom socket]

I can't afford having 2 cars

I would need to buy a new parking spot

Pay insurance

That would double the costs

[civic spoke]

Look.
What I am saying that EV's are great for people who have the charging infrastructure. And doesn't have the need to travel 500 km+ in a day.

EV would work for me, since we have two spots for cars. One on the street parking, and one in the community garage.

My main issue is charging. I would require the need to charge on the daily. Honestly.

I personally do 100 km's daily, going to/from work. So 500 km's a week just commuting.

I currently pay over $400 a month for just fuel and congesion charges.

Me getting an EV would cut that down so dang much.

[stoic ledge]

I think I pay $260 in yearly tax?
Imagine not paying 660€/year for a Corsa

[civic spoke]

wtf. For tax? For insurance, I would understand.

[stoic ledge]

Tax for my Corsa is €55/month, yes

My brother's V40 is €115/month

[civic spoke]

What the bork? Monthly tax???

[stoic ledge]

Yes

55/month * 12 months = 660/year

[civic spoke]

How is that even calculated?

[stoic ledge]

Based on weight and fuel

[civic spoke]

For us it's a base cost + C02 emissions.

And it's a yearly tax.

[stoic ledge]

CO2 eMiSsIoNs is taxed on first registration

And then monthly tax based on fuel type + vehicle weight

[civic spoke]

That's like, stupid. And becomes real expensive, fast.

[stoic ledge]

Imagine why we all drive in tiny cars

[civic spoke]

It's really like paying a for a second insurance.

[stoic ledge]

Yes, it's expensive

[fathom socket]

hmm

I could cheat this

buy a car with 1.0 engine

and swap it to a 5.6l v8

and still pay the 1.0l engine

[dense shard]

pretty sure that wouldn't work

[fathom socket]

@fathom socket When you go in for an MOT or whatever the equivalent is, it won't pass

And depending on the country, you might get fined

For not asking the government about the modifications you do to your own car

[fossil imp]

not to mention voided insurance

[fathom socket]

@fathom socket it passes in poland

I have a friend who has a car registered with 1.6 engine but he has 2. 0

Then the inspectors in Poland know nothing about cars

And while the differences between a 1.6 and a 2.0 might be subtle

The difference between a 1.0 and a 5.6L V8 won't be subtle

[fossil imp]

lol

[fathom socket]

Because one fits under the bonnet

And the other one doesn't

[fossil imp]

plus the car with the 1ltr engine is unlikely to drive to well with a v8 in it

[fathom socket]

The V8 won't fit in it unless you cut the front firewall

[fossil imp]

and the arches

[fathom socket]

And move the seats 2 feet back

And the steering

[fossil imp]

and convert it to RWD

[fathom socket]

Pretty much the whole interior

You might be better off just putting that engine where the rear seats are

[fossil imp]

take off the whole body n just whack the engine somewhere on the chassis, according to talonmuff it will still pass, so ok

[fathom socket]

Just fucking change the plates with a E class merc

And tell them it's a 1.0 corsa

[fossil imp]

[stoic ledge]

Me_irl

[fathom socket]

[fathom socket]

question

should I get a SAAB 9 3

[stoic ledge]

93 of 9-3?

[fathom socket]

9-3

petrol manual

I hate diesels

or should I get the scotty kilmers favorite car

@fathom socket If you don't want to have a headache looking for parts

Get an old corolla

Or a celica

And it'll last you a lifetime

corolla is too boring

Then get an mx5

but also the older mx5 have problem with parts

If you are in the US

No

Or UK

I live in europe

switzerland

NB Miata then

Their engine parts are usually shared

With other Mazda's

And some Ford's

I have a focus

but I want something cabrio

puegots 206 and 306 are very common

Cabrio's Look homo

[stoic ledge]

2 days ago you needed the space of a wagon

[fathom socket]

If you need the space of a wagon

I need to get my ass to work

Get Skoda Octavia or a passat

and have a toy for weekend

Station wagon

I don't need a wagon

Then get a Skoda Octavia 1.8T

but it's a VW

Basically a gti

What's wrong with that

they are boring

[stoic ledge]

Everything

[fathom socket]

Everything is boring to you

Then get a fucking 4.6 V8 Mustang SN95

And crash it

[stoic ledge]

[fathom socket]

Or a foxbody Mustang with the Windsor 302

if I wanted I would get a porshe boxter or a subaru

And split the block in half

And the insurance would kill you

[dense shard]

You want a Cabrio?

[fathom socket]

yeah

it get too hot out here already

[dense shard]

Nissan Micra convertible.

[fathom socket]

Get a Celica convertible

[dense shard]

Joking aside.

[fathom socket]

Or a Megané convertible

[dense shard]

The Saab 9-3 convertible was an interesting piece of work.

If I remember correctly, it wasn't built by Saab.

[fathom socket]

It was but finding parts for it is a bitch

[stoic ledge]

Parts for Saabs are still available, but not cheap

[dense shard]

There's also the Volvo C70.

[fathom socket]

You can get a convertible Megané I

a new beatle?

If you want a convertible that much

[dense shard]

I wouldn't get the Beetle.

[fathom socket]

Sure if you are a girl

Get a beetle convertible

[stoic ledge]

Both the C70 and 9-3 Convertible has wuite some flex in them... Which is sad. You even notice it over speedbumps

[dense shard]

They aren't known to be particularly good cars.

[fathom socket]

Also beetle is a VW

I thought you didn't want a VW

[dense shard]

Mind you the new new Beetle looks quite nice

[fathom socket]

Because they are boring

[stoic ledge]

They aren't known to be particularly good cars.
Is any VW

[fathom socket]

yeah

And german

but it's the only VW car that I would get

my ford focus is also german

And the worst one

[dense shard]

Best choice you have is the Miata.

[stoic ledge]

Get a Peugeot 307 CC 😛

[fathom socket]

And a Celica convertible

Or a first generation Megané convertible

[dense shard]

I would not get an older convertible tbh.

[fathom socket]

did the 7 gen celica came as convertible?

[dense shard]

Replacing the top on any convertible is a pita.

[fathom socket]

All of the ones that were AWD at some point came in convertible@fathom socket

Can't remember which one is 7th gen

[dense shard]

There's always the Mercedes SLK.

Or CLK.

[fathom socket]

oh god

that thing breaks down?

doesn't it?

[stoic ledge]

Wait what? I don't think there was a 7th gen Celica Convertible

[dense shard]

All convertibles do.

[stoic ledge]

Get a Mini Convertible

[dense shard]

Unless you get a Mazda or Toyota.

[stoic ledge]

Those don't break down, those rust away

[fathom socket]

@fathom socket 5th and 6th gen came with convertible

Not 7th gen

crap

6th gen is sleek

And cool

[dense shard]

well

[fathom socket]

the problem is

[dense shard]

The Ford Focus had a convertible model.

[fathom socket]

the car is gonna to be too old

[stoic ledge]

Yes

[fathom socket]

Get a Street Ka then

the first gen?

And look homosexual

[stoic ledge]

2nf gen Focus

[dense shard]

A car doesn't make someone's sexuality.

[fathom socket]

then not

[stoic ledge]

A car doesn't make someone's sexuality.
This

[fathom socket]

@dense shard a pink or a silver Street Ka does

[stoic ledge]

Why silver?

[dense shard]

I drove a pink Suzuki.

I assure you my sexuality didn't change.

[fathom socket]

I drive a white focus

what does that make me

They look abysmal in silver

@fathom socket a working person

[dense shard]

It makes you Talonfluff.

Speaking of which. VW Eos.

There's another one. Basically Euro Jetta convertible.

[stoic ledge]

Eos will be too expensive probably

[dense shard]

Yeah, but it was produced until recently.

[stoic ledge]

Euro Jetta So Golf

[dense shard]

And it's a hardtop.

[fathom socket]

I'm gonna to buy another focus

butthe summer get's really hot now

I can guess a person's gender by looking at the car they drive and how they drive

[dense shard]

uhuh

[fathom socket]

If it's a Micra standing in the middle of a street with the hi beams on

That's a woman

And it is always a woman

You won't believe how many times I came across that

[stoic ledge]

And if it's a VW Polo parked at the side of the road?

Or a Ford Focus?

Or insert any random car

[fathom socket]

Usually men or college girls

[dense shard]

Or a Corolla?

[fathom socket]

Corolla is just an old man

[dense shard]

... yeah... no

[stoic ledge]

Monte == old confirmed

[dense shard]

Nice try tho.

Don't forget MK. I also owned a pink car.

[fathom socket]

Well in where I live, the youngest old Corolla driver I've ever seen was in his late 30s

[stoic ledge]

🏳️‍🌈 ... Those are just the rules Monte

[dense shard]

But I never even owned a Miata.

But I digress. Sexuality does not dictate car choices.

[fathom socket]

Not that I don't like Corollas

I love corollas

[dense shard]

So you are a man in his late 30s?

[fathom socket]

I'm an early boomer

I started losing my hair when I was 15

[dense shard]

okay?

[fathom socket]

So I have the body of a 30yo

Yes

[dense shard]

I see... so hairline dictates age.

[stoic ledge]

Definitely

Duh

Didn't you know that Monte

[fathom socket]

I'm saying that I look old

[dense shard]

I've learned so much today.

[fathom socket]

Not that I am

[stoic ledge]

The more you know

Ok so I drive a white Corsa, what does that make me

[fathom socket]

An average person

well

[stoic ledge]

Probably true

[fathom socket]

Volvo C70 might be an option

but it's kind of big

I really don't want to stereotype people based on what and how they drive

[dense shard]

Tell ya man

[fathom socket]

But everytime I think of it

[dense shard]

Focus Convertible.

What do you drive?

[fathom socket]

I guess correctly

I don't really like 2nd gen focus

A Megané III

Prefacelift

[dense shard]

Cause right now it sounds like you drive a lifted Dodge Ram.

[fathom socket]

Because the facelift looks stupid

[stoic ledge]

Too expensive probably

[fathom socket]

I like the first gen focus

Hell no the Ram is a stupid car

And I feel insulted

[dense shard]

No more than Talon I imagine.

[fathom socket]

I guess this is what people stereotyped feels

[dense shard]

So far you've implied a lot.

[fathom socket]

there is a reason why I don't want anything german

Is it because they are too boring?

also

the bad stereotypes

You just said what car you drive shouldn't affect who you are

ford focus stereotype is company vehicle

yeah

Why are you talking about a stereotype now

but pretty much if u have a VW passat here

[stoic ledge]

Not for Focus' of that age

[fathom socket]

you just gonna to get in a lot of trouble

because that car is a meme in poland

If it was unreliability I'd get it

and also

it was a company vehicle

my focus

and newer focuses usually are

[stoic ledge]

because that car is a meme in poland
so is Poland

Jk

[fathom socket]

But now you say "Uh bad stereotypes uh duh" despite ridiculing me for stereotyping

when I see anything german neae me

I get scared

they always drive reckless

Stop stereotyping

Please

Do you drive a dodge ram uh

who?

[dense shard]

no clue

Tho for luxury cars, studies have found that owners of higher end luxury brands do tend to drive more recklessly.

Higher end luxury cars being... Cadillac, BMW, Mercedes, Audi.

Jaguar as well.

[stoic ledge]

studies

[fathom socket]

Please no stereotyping

Well I saw a woman in a BMW use their blinkers once

im not sure if you'd put that down to the car the person is driving

[dense shard]

Higher income people tend to buy higher end cars.

That hardly means more rich people drive recklessly.

[stoic ledge]

Mind = blown

[dense shard]

There's stereotyping and then there's stereotyping.

[fathom socket]

id say higher income people are more likely to be in those kinds of jobs which have that really busy lifestyle or need them to be assholes

[dense shard]

Tying sexuality to body choice or color is a bit of a misnomer.

[fathom socket]

like managerial roles and stuff

[dense shard]

Especially considering I drove a pink kei car for a couple of years.

[fathom socket]

We used to own a VW Bora and I feel insulted

[dense shard]

VW Bora?

[fathom socket]

sounds rather boraing

Overglorified passat

[dense shard]

You drove a Jetta...

[fathom socket]

ill show myself out

[dense shard]

pffft

no no, stay.

I needed that Dad Joke™️

[fathom socket]

Well I didn't drive it and I hated it

[dense shard]

okay?

[fathom socket]

But you know we used to own one

[dense shard]

and?

[fathom socket]

bora = euro jetta

It is basically

With more features

[dense shard]

It was the performance version of the Jetta I recall.

The GLI, but not.

[fathom socket]

No just a higher end one

I think it had like W8 options

Though

[dense shard]

VR6 was the most it got.

[fathom socket]

If you really liked wasting money

I remember one getting a W engine

[dense shard]

Big engine, small car.

The Passat got the W8.

With a manual.

[fathom socket]

Oh yea

Right

[dense shard]

It's the one car every car fan wants, but not really.

[fathom socket]

Not if you like wasting money

the arteon looks quite nice imo

[dense shard]

It wasn't catastrophically unreliable.

Merely tragically unreliable.

[fathom socket]

i probably wouldnt buy it over say a 4 series or something

And anything goes wrong

Boom the intake comes off

Half of the front end comes off

Worst case scenario engine out job

@fathom socket I remember the Arteon being a lot better than a 4 series

In terms of like standard equipment

[stoic ledge]

Overglorified passat
No, Bora == Jetta

[fathom socket]

And luxury

yeah its pretty nice

[stoic ledge]

@fathom socket I remember the Arteon being a lot better than a 4 series
HAHAHA

Funny guy

[fathom socket]

it looks nice

Standard equipment

I said

[stoic ledge]

Yeah, later

In every other single aspect a 4er is better

[fathom socket]

its cheaper in US anyway so its a kinda invalid comparison

It's still a BMW and looks the same as a 3 series

Or a 5 series

dunno it looks nicer than a 3 series

I can not differentiate BMWs

[stoic ledge]

If you say so

[fathom socket]

the coupe

its wider so its proportions are better for a sporty car

They all look the same without any special differences

Weird grill

[stoic ledge]

If that's the case, an Arteon looks just like a Passat

[fathom socket]

im not really talking about the new one

Does it? I haven't seen the new Passat

although that grill has grown on me

arteon looks quite different from the passat

I have seen an Arteon and they look pretty nice

[stoic ledge]

Well yeah but so does the 4er grom the 3er and 5er lol

[fathom socket]

Not a new Passat though

Haven't seen that

[stoic ledge]

"new" Passat

[fathom socket]

As in the latest one

my neighbour has an arteon and i vouch for its looks

[stoic ledge]

Ah wait you're a US dude

[fathom socket]

No

its got that geometric look

I'm EU

[stoic ledge]

Thonk

The latest Passat has been around for 5 years now

[fathom socket]

Huh

[stoic ledge]

And the facelift change literally nothing in looks

[fathom socket]

and theres an arteon facelift and a shooting brake version today

both of those look nice

[stoic ledge]

Interior lools extremely dated tho imho

Of the facelift Arteon

[fathom socket]

id say it looks like a vw and i guess thats all people want from a vw

[stoic ledge]

And the HVAC controls are horrible... Can't believe they ditched the 3 rotary dials for touch buttons

[fathom socket]

big brain way of saying it i know

[fathom socket]

@stoic ledge omg I've realized why I haven't seen a new Passat yet

Because it looks the same as the older one lmao

[stoic ledge]

Ofcourse

That's the VW experience for you

[fathom socket]

the interior looks alright but id probably go for something more like a used lexus

Yea can we just establish that all German manufacturers nowadays make their cars look the same

and that wood aint it chief

[stoic ledge]

I like wood but not in there

Yea can we just establish that all German manufacturers nowadays make their cars look the same
Yesn't

[fathom socket]

I like wood on my seats

yeah it doesnt quite work with the whole angles thing

Because I like my bum hurting

Lewd

gotta love that estate tho

That does look rather nice

[stoic ledge]

Yeah looks good

[fathom socket]

can every car get an estate version please

^ this tbh

[stoic ledge]

There is basically

Atleast in Europe

[wheat hatch]

M3 estate

[stoic ledge]

Want

[fathom socket]

yes gimmie

[stoic ledge]

Alpina B3 gets close

[fathom socket]

E34 Touring looks pretty nice

[stoic ledge]

M340i isn't bad either

[fathom socket]

The 5 series

Station wagon

[stoic ledge]

E34 and E39 is

[fathom socket]

What was the E39?

even ferrari knows that the shooting brake do be lit

[stoic ledge]

The 5er after the E34

[fathom socket]

I do like Ferraris hatchback/shootingbrakes

GTC4 lusso something something

lamborghini why isnt this a thing yet

[wheat hatch]

[fathom socket]

mmmmmm

Meh E34 better

Touring E34

[stoic ledge]

Yes Baboon, gib pls

Arteon rear kinda reminds me of this Peugeot:
https://www.activlease.nl/media/uploads/nl/news/og/peugeot_508_sw_voorkant.jpg?_=1557311696

[fathom socket]

anyone that owns a huge suv should just get an estate instead

theyre just better in europe

[stoic ledge]

I agree

[fathom socket]

#banthemsuvthangs

[stoic ledge]

I agree

SUVs aren't more practical, heavier, use more fuel, drive worse and are more expensive

And still people buy them like, idk, toilet paper

In bulk

[fathom socket]

i love how they actually have less space like how

the things like 4x the size of a small planet

[stoic ledge]

Yes

[stoic ledge]

I'd take an Wagon all day long

[fathom socket]

SUVs are stupid

[stoic ledge]

E34 nice but rare now, especially in good condition

[fathom socket]

You can still find them

Not like the hot ones

so things we need to do is ban suvs

With the 6 cyl or the v8

unban pop ups

But lower end 4 cyls

ban bad touch controls

[stoic ledge]

Jon 4 president

[fathom socket]

make cars great again

Ban all hybrids

Either gas or ev

No inbetween

[stoic ledge]

Meh not necessarily

[fathom socket]

Only if it's a 918

or a p1

[dense shard]

hybrids are nice.

[fathom socket]

Or a P1 GT

r yr

[dense shard]

I like getting 60 mpg

[fathom socket]

I can do that with my crummy hatch

[dense shard]

Too bad Toyota doesn't sell the Corolla HB hybrid in the US.

[fathom socket]

hybrids make sense as an intermediary but i personally only like the plug in ones

[stoic ledge]

Did you mean: Corolla Touring Sports 2.0 Hybrid?

[fathom socket]

I also have ones I like

[dense shard]

yes, MK.

[fathom socket]

But some I loathe

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I'd get a PHEV tbh, like a V60 T8

[dense shard]

Or hatch, I'm not judging.

[stoic ledge]

Or T6, I'm a humble guy

310hp will suffice

[fathom socket]

Also any mild Corolla is cool

[dense shard]

I'd probably give up a manual for the hybrid 2.0L.

[stoic ledge]

Manual Hybrid when

Honda had the CR-Z

[dense shard]

CR-Z wasn't the car we wanted. It was the car we deserved.

[fathom socket]

Ban all CVTs, either dual clutch or manual

[dense shard]

CVT > DCT

[stoic ledge]

Dual clutch :disgust:

[dense shard]

DCTs belong on a race track, and that's really about it.

[fathom socket]

Some dual clutches are fine

[stoic ledge]

Torque converter ZF 8HP > any DCT

[dense shard]

^

[fathom socket]

Unless I'm mixing up my transmission types

Because I'm not used to the new names

[dense shard]

Honestly for daily driving, CVTs and torque converter automatics are the best.

[stoic ledge]

Dual clutches are like VWs DSG

[dense shard]

I'm looking for comfort and smoothness. Not speed.

[fathom socket]

I've been in couple of CVTs and they feel

Odd

[stoic ledge]

ZF 8HP gives both comfort and speed

[fathom socket]

I don't like how it makes me feel

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I'm no fan of CVT either

Although the technology is brilliant

And they're great when you're slow ez cruizer

Always the optimal ratio

[fathom socket]

I like the fact that CVT used to be a feature only old people got back in the mid 20th century

And those people like put 20mph speed limit on their cars

So they didn't require a driving license

And to break that image, the patent holders built a hill climb race car

With cvt

[stoic ledge]

[fathom socket]

I remember it dominating competition

For couple of laps

And then breaking down

[dense shard]

I don't mind CVTs. I haven't had one get weird on me yet.

[stoic ledge]

DAF used CVTs in the 50s-70s shich could go as fast forwards as backwards

They held reverse races

[fathom socket]

Aren't those usually for trucks?

[stoic ledge]

Many DAFs died in those races

[fathom socket]

Lmao

[stoic ledge]

DAF? Yes

[fathom socket]

The glorious DAF reverse races

Now that was a time to be alive

[stoic ledge]

https://youtu.be/lLgPTJWAysY

Health and Safety would be all over that nowadays lol

[fathom socket]

hahaha trust the dutch to do something right

[stoic ledge]

[fathom socket]

can we get the reverse f1 races to be literally in reverse?

Its not as cool but there is a Renault F1 car singing God save the queen

[stoic ledge]

Yes pls

No it's not as cool... It's even cooler

[fathom socket]

Still it can't beat Aamir breaking the car

Lmao muted

Rip jon

[stoic ledge]

Yikes

Been there

[fathom socket]

Everyone asks what is Aamir doing

But no one asks how he is doing

:sadface:

[stoic ledge]

👀

[fathom socket]

i have risen once more

[stoic ledge]

Welcome back

[vast harness]

How long does it take for shit to get to you from jegs I’m gonna buy one of those 35 dollar plastics seats for a sim

[stoic ledge]

🤔 idk xD

[fathom socket]

Nvm

I think I can't drive a car when I have knifes on my back

I don't mean literally

[stoic ledge]

Thonk

[devout atlas]

saab

[devout atlas]

s u p e r B e e t l e

[misty jungle]

Mclaren F1 so beautiful

[devout atlas]

yes

that's okay

but it's not a

[frail shore]

okay someone tell me if its a bad idea

to get a 1986 pontiac trans am as a first car

just found a listing online for one that runs great and is 6k, and they said you can inspect the car and etc

also 71k miles

[devout atlas]

first car?

damn

I'd go with a panther body though

the thing is, you'll miss the modern conveniences of the 90s

and early 2000s

also, 6k is a lot

[fathom socket]

I found some 21 year old antifreeze

[winter viper]

Damt .. trans am as first car 😄 .. guess u live in the US ..

Here i got a ford sierra from 85 as first car .. Like 20 years ago 1.6liter and 75 ponyes

Today i drive a Suzuki ignis .. Gets the job done .. Cheap 😛

[stoic ledge]

[carmine summit]

@frail shore the only downside I see is that it's gonna be really hard on fuel, other than that there's nothing wrong with getting an older car as your first car

I'd probably go for a 3rd gen Camaro over a Trans Am, run the 305 till it blows up and then swap in a 350 or a 400

less money

[fathom socket]

Jealous of the some of those cars you got up in the US

I'd love to import but that gets expensive real quick!

Transam as a first, yes please

[tight cypress]

my god

sierra would be a awesome first car

[fathom socket]

Escort Cosworth would be an awesome first car 😄

[civic spoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yISYPhVyMk&disable_polymer=1

[devout atlas]

let me guess, a kidney grille the size of Proxima Centurai

ah

it's not

that's nice

[indigo coral]

The 4 series is uglyyy

[devout atlas]

it looks like an ugly girl with big nostrills

don't @ me

[civic spoke]

At least it looks better with a license plate.

[devout atlas]

imagine wirking in the 90s to work on the ultimate driving machines

and after graduation, see this

[civic spoke]

I just don't like how cars are becoming isolationi chambers.

[devout atlas]

I hate how the 'ultimate driving machines' are degrading to shitty 4 pot diesel shitboxes with more stuff crammed in there than a sorority bathroom on new year's eve

[flint sable]

Grille

[dense shard]

People want luxury and comfort.

Some of the stuff is regulations, sure.

But a lot of it is just consumer preference.

[fathom socket]

Why are we complaining about these relatively minor issues with cars

We still haven't banned SUVs yet

[devout atlas]

god bless

you

[cinder cloak]

The 4 series is uglyyy
@indigo coral I feel like they're trying to make it look furturistic

[fierce tendon]

4 series is and will always be sexy

(Totally not bias towards 4 series for whatever reason)

[fathom socket]

Literally before I wanted to sell my car

[stoic ledge]

What happened

[fathom socket]

The oil cap fell off

I had to drive with no oil

[versed oasis]

The bmw 4 series grill kinda look like the 1973 bmw 2002

Just bigger

[civic spoke]

@dense shard Most people just really wants a vehicle to take them from point A to B in a quiet, and comfortable manner. They could give two rats about a car being 'sporty'. Sadly.

I wished that hydraulic steering was still a thing 😦

[fathom socket]

@versed oasis Immagine 2020 BMW grill

on this

[versed oasis]

bruh

[civic spoke]

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByajkktgvsA/?igshid=o174ue2zq0zb

[dense shard]

I'm fine with comfort tbh

[stoic ledge]

The grill doesn't look that bad on the X7 tbh

[dense shard]

The grill words on bigger things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAkPwyy8JSs

I wish the US would bring this to the US.

[stoic ledge]

Isuzu D-Max

Diesel only

So probably won't sell well in the US

[civic girder]

@dense shard If Mazda brought that to the US, I'd highly consider getting a used one in a few years for rotary

[dense shard]

I mean... you gotta buy em new.

Hard to buy used if only new are around.

[civic girder]

I mean in like a few years

after a lot of people's leases ended or people sell/trade in for something else

[fathom socket]

or the economy crashes and all the leases get cashed out

oh boy recession time

[dense shard]

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/06/kia-details-clutch-by-wire-manual-gearbox-for-mild-hybrids/

"save the manuals," they scream

"okay" says Kia

"we don't want this" they respond

[indigo coral]

"kill the manuals, this is fake!!!!!!!"

[dense shard]

no seriously.

I get this system.

[tight cypress]

ooh people talk

[indigo coral]

is it awful or something?

[dense shard]

It's a weird clever trick, but it sounds like Kia is trying to cater to an audience who will shit on them for trying. lol

I don't know about awful.

[indigo coral]

is it really different/hard to use or something?

[tight cypress]

@stoic ledge höhö kaas

[dense shard]

I imagine it will be easier to use.

[indigo coral]

Or are the save the manuals people just the old boomers who screech about anything electronic

lol

[dense shard]

uhhhh....

the latter

[indigo coral]

lol

[dense shard]

Here's the question for anyone here who drives a manual.

At what point does a manual become fake?

[tight cypress]

yes what question

[indigo coral]

GASP you don't have to walk around front and crank start your car? It's a fake car.

Sounds like trump ngl

[tight cypress]

when it doesnt have a clutch or doesnt do weird sounds when shiftin to reverse

[dense shard]

Cause clutch actuation isn't done by a rod/cable/whatever.

It's all hydraulic.

Is moving it to electric suddenly fake?

[indigo coral]

on the plus side this is less shit to break

and I'd imagine it's going to be harder to damage stuff

[dense shard]

Certainly less fluid leaks.

That's one thing a lot of people missed on the move to electric power steering.

Zero chance of burning out a pump.

There isn't one.

[indigo coral]

electric power steering is fine imo

well

i've never driven a car with electric steering

so

LMAO

[tight cypress]

i have

[indigo coral]

I don't think our Explorer or Taurus are electric, I think they're still using old style

Could be wrong though 🤔

[tight cypress]

only noticed a difference when drove into a rock

[indigo coral]

At what point did they start putting electric power steering in cars?

2019-2020?

[tight cypress]

idk

cars without power steering best

you can feel all the bumps

[indigo coral]

nah power steering is essential for safety

same with ABS

[tight cypress]

meh abs

[indigo coral]

abs is mandatory imo, incase of emergency situation

[tight cypress]

never seen it useful

[indigo coral]

traction control idc as much, but i have an awd car that you'd have to be a special kind of stupid to spin out w/o snow

idk about rwd

[tight cypress]

mine is fwd

[indigo coral]

more important there ig

[tight cypress]

traction control useless as hell

[indigo coral]

but you'd have to seriously fuck up in order to spin out my RX

[tight cypress]

just floor it if startin to spin

[normal temple]

Do that in my car for a fun time

[indigo coral]

lol

yours is rwd

[normal temple]

yyyeeees

[tight cypress]

yes

fwd dorifto fun

[normal temple]

if you want to die in my car, go ahead and go into a corner way too fast then floor it while going around said corner way too fast

[tight cypress]

huh

tried that with an escort

we were fine after 120kmh

[dense shard]

EPS has been around for a decade now

If not more

[indigo coral]

my car is the old style

considering it's ancient that's not surprising

[tight cypress]

what year yes

[dense shard]

Lexus moved to EPS for the RX in 2008.

[indigo coral]

Oof

My grandpa's RX that I might buy is a 2007

Rip reliability stats for that car

[dense shard]

What, why?

[devout atlas]

I see a wrecked sera for 10000 ZAR

time to pull the trigger?

[dense shard]

Sounds like it'll be expensive to repair.

"A total of 15,941 were built between February 1990 and December 1995. 15,852 units were registered in Japan."