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#cars
civic spoke
3 > 4 Cylinder
civic spoke
I prefer the sound of 3 cylinders over the 4 pot.
stoic ledge
4 pot runs smoother tho
dense shard
I'd go 4 cylinder if I have the option.
civic spoke
stoic ledge
4 cyl is the PSA/BMW Prince engine though
dense shard
resonator delete
stoic ledge
dense shard
vrrrmmmm BWAAAAA angry bee noises here
civic spoke
Would have gotten more back if work travel went through.
I was right at the limit for it.
serene scarab
My little Mini now has 299 HP exactly.
...which we'll call 300 because the dyno showed 299.71, which I'm going to round up
I think what it needs next is an Eventuri intake
Because I want more turbo noises
stoic ledge
Pretty sure that bottom one is illegal as well
dense shard
That bottom one hurts me.
civic girder
Local car meet is back
fathom socket
what do you guys think of this wallpaper from wallpaper engine 
cinder cloak
ok car people I need some advice
My BF got me a birthday gift where I get to drive a super car around the countryside, but I get to chose which one
488 GTB vs 911 GT3 RS vs 570s ? any thoughts
(also a Huracan, C8 Z51, R8 V10, GTR, AMG GTR, NSX or Gallardo, but I was leaning towards the others)
cinder cloak
lmao right
I think the tightest debate is between the 3 I picked out
Those three have always been like the goals car
cinder cloak
haha no worry
indigo coral
Oof yeah I have no idea. They'd all be a ton of fun.
dense shard
488GTB. Ferrari will always be a more special experience. It's THE sports car.
911... you could have driven a Ferrari. McLaren... yeah but Ferrari.
Unless you want to drive a non-turbo car. That's easy. GT3.
cinder cloak
Trueee
Ferrari being a Ferrari was a legit thought I had lol
I also was worried the GT3 RS might be harsh on country roads? vs. the Ferrari which is more GT oriented
indigo coral
can I choose d. All of the above? 😂😂😂
cinder cloak
Bahaha right
dense shard
I'd skip the Audi for sure.
cinder cloak
He almost got my a full day guided tour where you get to try all of them, but it was way more expensive and adding him as a passenger was basically the cost of two tickets lol
dense shard
Lambo is basically the same car, but more exciting.
cinder cloak
Yeah, my real debate was just between the GT3 RS and 488 GTB, with maybe a little of McLaren 👀
indigo coral
I was debating between the McLaren or the 488 GTB
The Audi is a great car but isn't as much of an experience
Same with the NSX
cinder cloak
Yeah, a lot of the ones in the second list didn't really peak my interest
Like the AMG GTR
indigo coral
I mean they're all nice cars but if you wanna go drive a C8 Corvette, borrow one from a dealer lot for a test drive lmao
dense shard
Are there any on lots right now? I hear they're totally sold out right now.
cinder cloak
lol true, I get the car for longer than a testdrive though haha
And no one watching over my shoulder as I drive lolol
indigo coral
I want to do that lol
ngl I really want to drive a G70, that's my somewhat attainable dream car
carmine summit
I'd pick the GT3RS, I've driven a couple old Porsches and they were really fun to drive
I've heard good things about the new Porsches too
indigo coral
Yeah, Genesis G70 3.3t
I want to drive one at some point to know if it's as good as I've imagined but idk how I'll be able to make that happen
civic girder
I should have taken more pictures
I also want a Previa so bad after seeing one in person
indigo coral
they don't do car shows here besides the 1 time a year mustang meet ;-;
A previa is like
2k$
They're not that unattainable lol
civic girder
I know
but I have nowhere to put one
plus I'm going to have a harder time finding one in the spec I want
AWD with manual
but other than that, yea they are el cheapo
idk how hard manual swapping an auto one would be, but I guess I could do that
leaden perch
drifting sentinel
nice car man
fathom socket
ok buddy
leaden perch
devout atlas
oh lord
stoic ledge
silk finch
night mortar
@drifting sentinel smh where is the green stripe?
leaden perch
drifting sentinel
I haven't got Nicky V to customize it yet
leaden perch
k
stoic ledge
Yikes
median egret
Major ew
fair bronze
How did they get that there
median egret
but look at it
the only car i like on this pic
is that corvette
yes id drive the porsche, the cls, the wrx
but
i dont like them
boomer cars
corvette noises intensify
cinder cloak
what happened to the car in the front?
It looks like bumble bee landed on top of it and replaced some parts with itself
spice compass
damn thats sexi
stoic ledge
Damn that's ugly
cinder cloak
imo if you need a team of mechanics to drive over a speed bump, something is very wrong with you road car
spice compass
pshhh someone is jealous they don't have to replace their oil pan often.
indigo coral
Lol
dense shard
Chances are it's on bags.
spice compass
it has to be
dense shard
If that guy drove it from Mexico to Birmingham at that height, damn
dense shard
Best part. The SEAT and VW likely share a platform.
spice compass
VAG
dense shard
yep.
spice compass
I am a hipster with a slow ass VW on bags.
I didn't want the bags but I got the car from my brother
I hate it
spice compass
Yeahhhhh
Nice coilover setup is great
Bags aren't that bad and it does ride smooth. No problems other than my compressor failing.
Still dumb
dense shard
It's also not static because the rear wheels don't have stupid camber.
spice compass
well I mean you can just tell by looking at it also, but yea camber is crazy on super low static cards
indigo coral
I like the gray with accents tho.
That part looks nice
The wheels are decent
Just too low for my tastes
spice compass
man when it comes to cars it is subjective. I don't hate on people for wanting whatever they want with whatever colors.
indigo coral
o I'm not trying to hate
spice compass
No I know
dense shard
I'm trying, but I can't. Man's got good taste imo.
stoic ledge
Best part. The SEAT and VW likely share a platform.
@dense shard
That's a Mk7 Golf underneath, yes
You can get the Golf in 4 flavors:
- VW Golf
- Seat Leon: cheaper (less expensive) + better handling
- Skoda Octavia: cheaper (less expensive) + bigger
- Audi A3: even more expensive + pReMiUm
median egret
Octavia is probably my fav one of that
I hate golfs
I dont really like, but definitely dont hate the A3 (its just a bit stubby idk?)
and the leon idk
i just prefer the octavia
it drives pretty well and i dont hate the styling
vast harness
So there’s a 1989 Ford ranger at a local auction what should I be ready to pay
We’ve bought cars from them before they’ve all been good and I know someone who works there so I’m gonna ask him about the condition
fossil imp
formula REEEEEEEEEEEE
spice compass
is that your house in the back?
hehe
very nice
I don't think I have a photo of my shit box
fossil leaf
lmao nah that’s my brother’s chicken coop, this was over at his place 
This truck was his for a bit too lol, originally my dad’s
Brother has a 250 and 350 now cuz he does a shit ton of towing, often off-road too
devout atlas
haha
stoic ledge
haha
devout atlas
fossil leaf
big rumble V8
fossil leaf
F
devout atlas
l'il bud has had a 60 year run
devout atlas
why is that so?
I'd take a turbo R or Arnage
I just need the money
hell
I'd take a prowler
over a fit
I'd take severe diarrhea over a fit
stoic ledge
why is that so?
Because a Honda Fit doesn't require 15k in maintenance every year
stoic ledge
Oof VW
stoic ledge
Oh god no
stoic ledge
That Fox is one of the shittiest cars ever made
devout atlas
yep
stoic ledge
The Lupo before it was better
dense shard
The Prowler was a miserable turd with styling that didn't have the performance to match.
dense shard
Why the Fit hate?
devout atlas
The Prowler was a miserable turd with styling that didn't have the performance to match.
@dense shard 258 hp is decent
innit?
stoic ledge
I'd buy a Fit if I was like 85 y/o
dense shard
It was a V6 with an autotragic.
fossil leaf
@devout atlas becuz Fit is fun as fuck
dense shard
It was meant to be a hot rod, a sportser. It was neither.
fossil leaf
I rode alone in a stick Fit with my dad and it was hella entertaining. Tiny car actually fits me too and I love hatchbacks, so double epic
fossil leaf
Bentley would never stretch its legs and just be maintenance and insurance out the fucking ass trying to keep it
dense shard
And it wasn't a Mercedes engine in the Prowler.
fossil leaf
That + I dislike how most Bentley’s look whereas the newer Fits in grey are 👌
dense shard
It was the Chyrsler SOHC V6.
dense shard
It was never used in a Mercedes product.
devout atlas
bruh
dense shard
you
devout atlas
why are you going on about mercedes?
dense shard
"shared with the C300"
devout atlas
oh my god
dense shard
Mercedes produced the C300... unless you are talking about the Chrysler 300C?
dense shard
And the V6 in that was a turd. Until the pentastar came out... the V6 options in all of Chrysler's products were bargain bin penalties.
spice compass
I mean the best motors ever made where 6cyl
just not V's
inlines ftw
Let me show you my race car I sold a few months ago
she was a boat! but had like 480hp :-0
stoic ledge
Oof nice
dense shard
480 out an engine displacing what... 3 liters?
stoic ledge
Just slap some Turbo's on it
spice compass
Me and my brother swapped it
it was a 1st gen gs300
put a 2jzgte from an aristo in it
stoic ledge
Oof
indigo coral
ayyy my V6 is a turd too
vernal sedge
I don
t have pics anymore but I took a hemi 5.7 litre v8 and but it on a go cart chassis
long story short
I needed a 12 by 12 conversion to hold the thing lol
and I had to stretch it liek crazy
so it was more of a hot rod than a go cart
fathom socket
That person does realize how much the first Tesla Rosdster was delayed right? Lol
civic girder
While I may be waiting for a new Mazda rotary that may never come, at least Mazda did make rotaries at one point in the past
and there is hope for Mazda opening up the Miata parts program to RX-7s
flint sable
dense shard
996 Porsche?
flint sable
Yeah
dense shard
The oof generation. The Generation that's now not that undesirable. lol
indigo coral
I don't think it looks great but not bc of the headlights
brisk panther
Ah yes, that’s sick
Was looking to purchase one not 2 long back, but decided to hold back
They’re a bit pricey
dense shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhAw86UDhHM This might be one of the best saves in rallying. Guy ends up finishing the race missing what seems like a tire.
okay wrong video.
civic spoke
warm sparrow
speaking of Vatanen, just a small reminder in case anyone haven't heard about it (ik it's not very likely): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEuZG37gFdM
languid smelt
I got a sick car to show
urban eagle
F
bitter compass
"selling ma f40, slightly used"
stoic ledge
"First owner, old lady only drove it to church. Never driven hard. No tyre kickers, I know what I have."
indigo coral
ran when parked
civic girder
Rotary > all
dense shard
Only reason to own an M6... not there.
civic spoke
Wait. They actually gave it a new head?
dense shard
yeah.
Integrated water jacket or whatever. Basically exhaust ports on the car are now separate instead of not.
Video explains it.
civic spoke
Did the 2021 changes do anything about the bump steer, or whatever it was called.
dense shard
Haven't heard anything about bump steer.
Only complaints are the same that apply to all modern cars. A bit too refined. No feel and the such.
civic spoke
indigo coral
the supra is outright a bad car
the wind buffeting is ridiculous, that should NEVER have made it to production
that's the kind of stuff that i thought we had resolved in the 90s
dense shard
90s didn't have AC standard.
Buffeting is a bit of a weird issue, but likely an outcome of modern aerodynamics.
indigo coral
have you seen the videos with the windows down? It's awful
no other cars have that kind of buffeting that I've heard of
dense shard
I have the same issue in my Corolla.
indigo coral
That bad?
dense shard
Rear windows creates a wicked pressure.
Front windows no, but I can't drive with the rear windows down. lol
dense shard
If a title askes a question, chances are the answer is no.
civic spoke
About the video I linked. The bump steer issue is why they didn't put the car into their rental fleet.
Car was too unpredictable, and would have ended up in a wall by a customer.
dense shard
Suspension quirks hardly make a car bad.
Older BMWs tended to snap oversteer.
Same with Porsche.
indigo coral
Is it rwd or awd?
dense shard
What, the Supra?
civic spoke
RWD
indigo coral
fat rip
indigo coral
thats why they dont want to rent it tho
you can't drive rwd cars in the rain or snow, and they're difficult to control
dense shard
If you know what you are doing, it shouldn't be an issue.
civic spoke
They have a bunch of RWD cars for rent, though...
dense shard
Rental agencies have to plan for the lowest common denominator though.
So they'll go for the safer option 10 times out of ten.
dense shard
Chances are they likely wouldn't have carried BMWs from the 80s and 90s.
Or Porsches.
civic spoke
5/7 of the cars are RWD.
dense shard
Also you can have so much fun in FWD.
civic spoke
The FWD cars they have is the Polo GTI and Seat Cupra 300
I would love to own that 218i that they have in their fleet.
indigo coral
I want to drive a G70 to see if it's a good aspirational dream car but I have no clue how I can get my hands on they keys to take it for a drive 🙃
civic spoke
Just steal Edzel's.
indigo coral
lol
no dealer is gonna let me testdrive it, and none are available to borrow/rent
lol
civic spoke
Why wouldn't a dealer let you test drive it???
indigo coral
Lots of dealers here require you to commit to buy the car prior to allowing you to see/sit in/test drive it
it's ridiculous
indigo coral
Lots of dealers (same ones ironically) also don't let you pay cash for the car/get independent financing. They'll refuse to sell you the car.
Because they can't make money on the financing
My parents ran into that when they were looking at Explorers
civic spoke
That just sounds like hell.
indigo coral
there was one they liked but the dealer flat refused to sell it to them unless they financed at an absurd rate through the dealer ship
so obviously that didn't happen
lol
civic spoke
Man. I really want that Apex 218i.
dense shard
Shop for cars out of state.
civic spoke
It's setup just how I would want from a 2 series.
dense shard
Never had issues with getting a test drive in the Southeast.
charred depot
repaired this scratch yesterday
fathom socket
Gonna go to a cars and coffee place and take pictures tomorrow anyone interested of me taking some pictures :) ?
I'll be using my Google pixel 3 camera unfortunately my real camera has a broken lens because of my younger sister grr
$760 for that lens
fathom socket
I like Brooklyn's
Get me some Brooklyn SV-1 pics pls
Or Briklyn
I don't remember
civic girder
Oh those weird 70s kit cars that look faster than they actually are
P sure that pretty much every car is faster lmao
civic girder
woah there
carmine summit
Bricklin SV-1s are NOT kit cars thank you very much, they're Made In Canada engineering marvels
sv stands for safety vehicle, they pioneered a lot of modern safety tech
I will not have anyone calling these iconic pieces of Canadian manufacturing "kit cars"
I've seen a few around here, there were apparently only 1700 known survivors as of 2012
dense shard
Safety tech such as?
carmine summit
the bumpers basically have shock absorbers behind them
dense shard
All 70s American cars had those.
It was mandated.
This is a man famous for a Canadian Corvette, bringing Subaru to the US, and Yugo.
Two failed, one has become a cultural mainstay. As far as business attempts go, this dude done well.
Hell... I'll give him Bricklin. 2/3 is good.
"The car didn't include a cigarette lighter or ashtray, as Bricklin viewed smoking while driving as unsafe."
This man has thought farther ahead than Ford did. lol
patent moat
Fords still have lighters I think, so that’s a thing
carmine summit
we're talking 70s
dense shard
Cause integrated rollcages never really became a thing.
70s or not. Volvo and Mercedes had deformable crash structures by then.
carmine summit
I mean new cars are designed to protect the driver in case of a rollover, so they kind of have integrated roll cages
passenger compartment stiff, everything else soft
indigo coral
Cars have cigarette lighters because you plug 12v stuff into them
Not for lighting cigarettes
carmine summit
They were originally intended for cigarette lighters
I still have an original cigarette lighter in my car, I don't smoke but I think it's neat to have to fill the hole
fathom socket
When I was a kid I got burned once in a 1987 Toyota pickup
One of those lighter things
eager canopy
@calm canyon damn that's nice
calm canyon
Thanks she's a beast you can't describe how bit it is
eager canopy
I want to put a pinto on 30 inch wheals pump the suspension
civic spoke
Should I just look into getting one of those android displays things for my E46?
So that I can have bluetooth and all of that crap.
civic spoke
I just don't like that they would take up both the radio, and AC controls.
So I would have to move down the AC stuff below the head unit.
split pine
If you really want a touch screen then yes but I would get a regular head unit that has all that stuff
civic spoke
@split pine I'd just get a bluetooth module over a different headunit.
It's either a decently integrated screen, or a bluetooth module.
fathom socket
That's a massive engine
river lance
triumph tr3
wintry smelt
Nice
carmine summit
I have decided to try and get a Porsche 914 project before the prices get much higher
they're just so cool
not sure what to power it with, not gonna do a V8 for many reasons
civic spoke
Couldn't remove the damn wheel of my cousin's car.
Damn 'mechanists'.
The kind that changes tires and over-torque the shit out of everything.
carmine summit
you need a breaker bar
civic spoke
Yeh
carmine summit
I have a 30" long 1/2'" drive bar for changing wheels and removing other tight bolts
really useful
civic spoke
Jumping on the tire iron wouldn't do.
carmine summit
the wrench that comes in spare tire kits is basically useless even if the wheel is torqued properly
stuff seizes over time
civic spoke
Yeah. But the power tool wasn't enough either.
dense shard
914 is a flat four. Pretty sure. @carmine summit
Naturally that means one thing. EJ25 swap brah
fathom socket
C1 or what ?
dense shard
C1, yep
The Plastic Fantastic.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/298220700076998656/721228554821566544/Screenshot_20200612-220308_Instagram.jpg Also new Nissan Rogue.
I think that's a render, but close enough.
median egret
Doesn't look too bad. just hate the lower headlights
carmine summit
@dense shard yeah we put a VW 1.9l turbo diesel in my dad's 914, I'm kinda thinking of going with a Subaru 6
median egret
Beautiful upper light units and the lower ones are fucking shit
@dense shard yeah we put a VW 1.9l turbo diesel in my dad's 914, I'm kinda thinking of going with a Subaru 6
@carmine summit
E270 engine maybe
median egret
E270 is an 2.7L i5 turbo diesel
might be unique idk?
median egret
yes but the 2.7L i5 isn't huge either
stoic ledge
stoic ledge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/298220700076998656/721228554821566544/Screenshot_20200612-220308_Instagram.jpg Also new Nissan Rogue.
Doesn't look to bad actually
dense shard
It looks like a Nissan.
stoic ledge
Well I don't hate how modern Nissan's look
dense shard
Which is good. Cause the newest Nissan's styling is the strongest point.
Hopefully JATCO kept up with the styling and made their shit even better.
stoic ledge
dense shard
Apparently they've made progress since 2015.
But no reason to stop now. 250k or bust.
stoic ledge
👀
warm sparrow
It looks like random basic SUV like you see everywhere and that are 0% exciting
warm sparrow
f*ck people
stoic ledge
dense shard
Nothing wrong with a basic crossover.
As long as Nissan provides a good value that's comfortable and good on gas. We're set.
warm sparrow
good on gas lol
since this is probably mostly sold in th US, does it really matter?
dense shard
Some people still care. My family's Rogue hit 35 on a road trip.
Which is pretty damn good as far as crossovers go.
stoic ledge
dense shard
And pretty impressive as far as most cars go.
stoic ledge
Apparently the Qashqai (Rogue Sport) is still the 28th best selling car in 🇳🇱... 1 never see them tho
warm sparrow
35 what?
dense shard
35 mpg
stoic ledge
MPG US*
warm sparrow
I need to convert that weird mpg thing
dense shard
~7L/100km
stoic ledge
1:14.88
warm sparrow
almost
stoic ledge
Imagine using L/100km
warm sparrow
What you don't ?
dense shard
Gallons per 100 miles could work.
stoic ledge
No, Km/l
dense shard
But I'm used to mpg.
warm sparrow
we use L/100Km ðŸ˜
stoic ledge
Mpg or km/l makes more sense tbh
dense shard
It's not very useful in the US. 100km/miles is a fairly tiny metric.
Miles per gallon works in a country that spans a continent.
stoic ledge
L/100km is too confusing imho xD
dense shard
We can do x miles per gallon, and we have a 30 gallon gas tank.
warm sparrow
eeverything is confusing when you don't use it
dense shard
km/l works as well imo.
stoic ledge
But you're French
dense shard
Japan did it.
stoic ledge
What did Japan?
dense shard
km/l for fuel economy.
stoic ledge
Good
dense shard
At least that's how my car calculated it.
dense shard
I wonder what brought that along.
stoic ledge
Common sense
dense shard
lol
warm sparrow
so the rogue is the qashqai?
stoic ledge
Yeah X-Trail is basically the larger Qashqai
warm sparrow
why do they have to give them different names
stoic ledge
Do you see Americans knowing how to write/pronounce Qashqai? xD
dense shard
It's an unknown name.
dense shard
Easier to market a smaller Rogue than it is something totally new.
warm sparrow
dense shard
It's not the name. It's the name recognition.
stoic ledge
Also the previous generation Qashqai was not the previous gen Rogue Sport (same with the Rogue/X-Trail)
dense shard
After all. VW sells the Tiguan, and whatever other stupid names they use.
stoic ledge
Tiguan
dense shard
The Toureg. Best part was we had an ad campaign making fun of people trying to say it.
Since then the Atlas has replaced the Toureg entirely.
stoic ledge
But the Atlas is waaay less refined than the Touareg
dense shard
America doesn't know.
warm sparrow
Tiguan V12 TDi
main zephyr
👀
dense shard
TDIs aren't banned, just VW has issues federalizing new diesels.
main zephyr
kek
I mean in the US they bought em all back
anyways watch the video I posted above
stoic ledge
2.0 diesel: BANNED!
6.6 Duramax V8 diesel: sure ok no problem gg
dense shard
The 6.6 is on the smaller side.
warm sparrow
here they took recent TDi and removed some HPs lol
main zephyr
7.3L Powerstroke
stoic ledge
Idk what the Duramax sizes are
dense shard
And last I checked. GM hasn't had issues with meeting regulations.
main zephyr
mmmmmmm
dense shard
VW has.
main zephyr
6L powerstroke sounds amazing tho ngl
stoic ledge
Powerstroke is no Duramax xD
dense shard
Europeans seem unable to meet US diesel emissions regs.
FCA, Mercedes, AND VW have all been dinged by the US government.
warm sparrow
US is funny
main zephyr
warm sparrow
so laws are stupid xD
stoic ledge
US: unable to import safe and tested EU/JDM car
Also US: you built a car in a shed? Sure no problem, have fun
dense shard
And more to the point. The Europeans lied about their testing.
Why would I buy a car from someone who lied? What else did they lie about?
warm sparrow
it's just that other manufactureres didn't get busted for the moment lol
dense shard
Others did.
main zephyr
laws in the US are straight up braindead
main zephyr
uh
warm sparrow
oh we have
main zephyr
US def has the most dumb
I think
I'm sure EU has some
US is def on a whole new spectrum
warm sparrow
We have a lot but US is the winner
dense shard
How is enforcement of emissions regulations, dumb?
Remember Germany also slapped VW, but left their V8 products alone.
German and American reactions to dieselgate were near identical.
stoic ledge
We have a great solution for emission regulations: just tax every gram of CO2 emission, and add a bonus to diesels 
dense shard
So I'm honestly not following your logic here.
stoic ledge
European VW's had remaps
dense shard
Here we go. US requirements for diesel emissions are more stringent for NOx than Europe is.
stoic ledge
How does a 7.3L V8 meet those regulations then? Or does that not comply to trucks?
warm sparrow
a country that use trucks for everyday car and drives V8 to go to the supermarket clearnly doesn't give a fk about emissions
Sports car, funny cars, collections cars: yes, we need this. But using huge cars with big engines for everything is non sense
dense shard
It's either a non-issue for trucks or larger trucks have more emissions wiggle room to work with.
You'd be surprised how clean a modern V8 is.
warm sparrow
Cleaner than a 4cyl that would do the job as well? I don't think so
dense shard
Bit of an apples to oranges, no?
warm sparrow
wut
dense shard
What large truck will have a 4 cylinder.
warm sparrow
ah
dense shard
And fact remains. That a modern V8 is going to be dramatically cleaner than a 4 cylinder from 20 years ago.
warm sparrow
Of course sometimes you need stroke, or just a big truck to carry stuff but not always
eh not sure about that
dense shard
The sheer amount of tech a V8 has today is astounding.
warm sparrow
xD
dense shard
A lot of larger engines also have cylinder deactivation.
indigo coral
the least techy V8 in a modern car that comes to mind is the GSF V8
dense shard
Technically speaking. Removing emission in a truck in the US today is illegal.
indigo coral
Naturally aspirated 5L no deactivation of anything
stoic ledge
Technically speaking. Removing emission in a truck in the US today is illegal.
How does one remove emissions?
warm sparrow
drive with engine off
dense shard
Take out the cats, filters, particle traps, and urea injectors.
Boom. Emission controls removed.
stoic ledge
That... Does not remove emissions
dense shard
emissions = shorthand for emission controls/hardware/whatever.
stoic ledge
Thonk
dense shard
That's how I've always heard of it referred to in the US.
indigo coral
^
warm sparrow
meanwhile, you build a truck with diesel V8 and just puts a straight pipe as an exhaust, NP you can drive along go on
100% legal
dense shard
no
That's actually a federal crime. Fucking with the emissions controls is a no go.
EPA has been historically bad at actually enforcing this law, but fucking with the emissiosn is a no no.
stoic ledge
Except they don't really check for it, do they?
dense shard
Some states will enforce it.
warm sparrow
So like basicaly all custom cars are not legal?
warm sparrow
But on this it's the same in europe, if you change your exhaust, it's usually to make some noise so it becomes illegal but cops usually don't bother too much (but I don't know how these cars can pass the control that we have to do every 2 years)
dense shard
Some of the EPA regs are fairly poorly written. And there has been talk about the EPA requiring track only cars also meet emissions regulations.
warm sparrow
but in FR there are not much custom cars (compared even to the UK)
dense shard
Also the galaxy brain answer is people keep the stock exhaust and emissions in a shed.
And replace it with a stock exhaust every time they need to pass MOT.
warm sparrow
yes just like here probably
dense shard
or seats?
dense shard
I know Japan doesn't really allow modifications to car seats.
warm sparrow
or anything because here you can't change anything without going illegal
well in theory
because otherwise even changing the wheels is not possible
stoic ledge
Then why do many Japanese import cars have a different drivers seat fitted?
I never understood that lol
dense shard
If they're imports, they're no longer subject to Japanese laws.
indigo coral
California bans stock exhausts on a lot of cars kek
dense shard
Could also be those seats were factory options. I imagine that's fine.
indigo coral
A fiat 500 abarth violates the law
warm sparrow
lol
stoic ledge
Sure, but I meant cars which were just imported and not yet registered here
Only 1 seats different as a factory option?
indigo coral
The G70 I want sounds like shit but that's okay
dense shard
Nah, as in someone bought just one seat and traded it in.
median egret
good on gas lol
since this is probably mostly sold in th US, does it really matter?
@warm sparrow
dense shard
Y'know... America has over 300 million people here. Some of us do care about the price of gas.
median egret
do people really care about gas mileage
dense shard
A lot of us do.
warm sparrow
Here, yes
median egret
mhm
dense shard
Amusingly the Corolla hybrid seems to be selling quite well.
median egret
I'm dutch and I see other people care about such things too
but I never really cared mucb
E500 does like 12-14L/100km
190E 2.3 does less
I don't know how much
I just
warm sparrow
And I mean, it's all about the gov, in europe (it's different in all coutries but,) if gas and "big cars" were cheaper, it would probably be like the US
dense shard
Once again. Travelling cross country kinda requires a larger car.
median egret
Yeah
dense shard
Travelling at a 100km/h in a tin can is not a fun experience.
warm sparrow
Here you go: considering your car I asume you live pretty comfortably so you don't really have to care about this
median egret
plus that V12 is pretty economical at high speeds
Here you go: considering your car I asume you live pretty comfortably so you don't really have to care about this
@warm sparrow
not my car
I drive a classic car, I prefer driving myself
fuck teslas
warm sparrow
ah
dense shard
no name?
warm sparrow
Personnaly if I could, since I love cars I would have a daily that doesn't drink too much, just a basic car for everyday, and a car for fun to use on week end for example (because I care about gas price AND emissions)
median egret
no name?
@dense shard?
dense shard
Have you not named your car yet?
stoic ledge
Have you not named your car yet?
Does calling it by its model name count? xD
median egret
stoic ledge
BP 👀
median egret
big p*
dense shard
Almost reminds me of Japan. lol
They also had the random service areas in the middle of nowhere.
median egret
stoic ledge
That's just besides the freeway/highway
warm sparrow
this flat country
median egret
yes, this country is flatter than I am
stoic ledge
warm sparrow
I don't like flat places
stoic ledge
Limburg isn't flat 👀
median egret
zeeland
stoic ledge
Hmm
median egret
the bigboiboat
warm sparrow
Do you think its diesel engines meet US regulations? 🤔
stoic ledge
Yes
warm sparrow
It's probably bigger than a V12 TDi
dense shard
Some do.
warm sparrow
😂
dense shard
But the Europeans have issues meeting NOx emissions.
RAM also got slapped pretty hard on cheating. Mind you their fix was a software update... one that ruined power and fuel economy.
stoic ledge
Basically every European diesel now had AdBlue
dense shard
VW didn't in the US.
"oh we're special, we can do it without"
And yeah... nah. They couldn't.
stoic ledge
Now they do
median egret
Do you think its diesel engines meet US regulations? 🤔
@warm sparrow
dense shard
I don't trust them.
dense shard
Also marine diesels have no regluations.
Neither in Europe, nor in the US.
They burn crude oil, no filtration of the exhaust.
stoic ledge
I don't trust them.
Neither do I, so I let my sister in law get one as a test subject
dense shard
The cruise ship industry alone produces more pollution than all of Europe's cars.
Adding in shipping lines? oof
warm sparrow
@median egret no sh!t lol
median egret
The cruise ship industry alone produces more pollution than all of Europe's cars.
@dense shard but imagine having to move all that cargo over land
dense shard
I am.
And the fact that cruise ships are giving a continent's worth of cars a run for their money should say something.
In the US semi trucks are regulated. Quite heavily.
And newer trucks on the road are relatively speaking, much better on gas than before.
4 mpg to 8 mpg.
median egret
Still, they dont beat boats in time, costs etc
dense shard
100% increase.
I truck can travel at 70 miles an hour. A boat can do it at what... 20?
Also in the US rail reigns supreme.
median egret
the running costs of a boat are high, but imagine having to service 24000 trucks
dense shard
I'm also imaging the fact boats are kinda limited to where they can travel.
Trucks are required for the final delivery.
Boat to train to truck.
median egret
Yeah but 24k trucks driving from China to Europe
dense shard
Boats in this case are cheaper.
Not sure about faster. But if you want speed you go for air travel.
warm sparrow
Bye guys I need to go get the pizza
dense shard
More environmentally friendly? dunno
dense shard
I know trains are pretty much peak efficiency.
median egret
new boats are also quite efficient tho
trains yes
but 24k carriages
to replace a singular boat
median egret
boats this big have an important use case
dense shard
I'm not arguing against boats.
median egret
you cant replace them with trucks
dense shard
I'm aware of that.
Fact remains. Cruise ships are hellacious polluters. Emissions regulations on the high seas are non-existent.
dense shard
Laws can be made.
It's not the first time international agreements have been reached.
dense shard
You can do that cleanly.
I've given up plastic straws, paid extra for emissions on my new car. I think the shipping industry can step up.
median egret
nature will try to preserve itself. its just that we should end the rainforests being cut down
but brazil noob president is on a, what he calls, mission from god to cut everything down
dense shard
Nature has a limited capacity to preserve itself.
median egret
Corona might be here for overpopulation
Nature has a limited capacity to preserve itself.
@dense shard if you cut down the trees yeah
haha
dense shard
Pollution remains an issue of industry and corporate greed. Not consumers and their plastic straws.
Not cutting down a forest isn't going far enough.
And honestly... Bolosarno is on the verge of being overthrown, no?
dense shard
I've heard of rumblings in Brazil. People are really really really really really x12 unhappy.
lol
median egret
yeah i can imagine haha
dense shard
I really wish Toyota had sold the 2.0L hybrid Corolla in the US.
median egret
ah
dense shard
In wagon form.
median egret
(i could buy one and export it for ya)
dense shard
I mean... we might be getting the wagon soon.
median egret
sweet
dense shard
Well... it's the lifted wagon version.
dense shard
It's a 2 inch lift, and that's it.
median egret
i prefer lifted wagons over suvs
dense shard
I could swap in the wagon suspension, and have a wagon again.
dense shard
If it happens, sure.
median egret
or make it into a wagon yourself
buy VW polo, make it longer,
wagon done
haha
i dont like volkswagen but the squarish stuff makes it easy
dense shard
We don't get the Polo in the US.
dense shard
no
median egret
oh no its up!
dense shard
Golf is the smallest.
dense shard
And I don't trust VW anyway.
median egret
neither
dense shard
They have a bad rep in the US.
rapid stone
supra good other bad
median egret
lol
stoic ledge
Yes
I could swap in the wagon suspension, and have a wagon again.
@dense shard still has body cladding
2000 or 1998
Are there actually noticable differences?
Model year starts at 2000, so probably 2000
dense shard
Body cladding isn't too bad. I imagine I could remove it easily enough.
stoic ledge
Probably leaves some nasty holes and clips
dense shard
I doubt the body has that many holes. And in this case idea would be to change over the off-road bits for standard wagon bits.
stoic ledge
Yes
fathom socket
who buys a silver ferarri is the real question here
dense shard
People with originality.
Only red for Ferrari is a bit gauche. Green or silver is a nice choice.
median egret
the yellow doe
or the dark green
or the dark blue
or the baby blue
Baby blue berlinetta with dark grey accents/wheels etc
is golf spec
fathom socket
im not saying id have a ferrari in red
im just saying silver is a little conservative for a supercar
frank tundra
stoic ledge
Oof
dense shard
That's gonna be a pain on the highway.
flint sable
That roof is amazing
carmine summit
914s are more amazing
I want one so badly
find one that needs work but is fairly solid, make it clean, add GT flares, paint Mexico Blue
flint sable
We’re both Porsche people too (both the corvette owners and us)
stoic ledge
https://i.auto-bild.de/ir_img/1/0/7/4/9/5/2/VW-Kaefer-Prototyp-Nr-6-1938-474x316-26394872aeb559ed.jpg
Isn't this peak Porsche?
civic spoke
What about this?
stoic ledge
Yes
devout atlas
What about this?
@civic spoke I used these for my vacations in Poland
devout atlas
nice
crisp cedar
@dense portal
devout atlas
didn't that rtx titan break teh bank?
dense portal
Oo this channel
crisp cedar
I can do what I want @devout atlas
crisp cedar
I can pick up s14s etc for cheap as
devout atlas
like buying a titan
dense portal
I do like that one, it carries the nihon feeling imo
Unsure what i feel about gold rims tho 🤔
dense portal
people here hype over random pc parts
no one cares when rdm posts a watch from his collection
so sad
crisp cedar
@devout atlas how’s it cancer you probably own a ford anal probe
devout atlas
I don't drive