cars

[carmine summit]

Clean inside and out if you haven't already

[civic girder]

and then it just left a weird film behind that makes the door windows foggy and the windshield is impossible to see through when the sun shines directly through it (sunrise or sunset)

[carmine summit]

Should maybe wipe it off with paper towels if you can before spraying more stuff on

[civic girder]

maybe

almost want to take isopropyl alcohol and disinfectant wipes to it before using glass cleaner

or even dish soap

when I first got the car, the windshield was absolutely filthy and still remained pretty dirty

[indigo coral]

I don't really notice a big difference with it on vs with it off tbh

The ac I mean

[civic girder]

You also have a grandpa mobile

[indigo coral]

wot

[civic girder]

I have sports boi

[plucky flume]

do you u have a fc?

[civic girder]

FB

[indigo coral]

nah lol

Different RX

[plucky flume]

lol

[civic girder]

he's talking to me lmao

[indigo coral]

The less cool RX

Oh lol

[plucky flume]

i cant tell by the photo

he's talking to me lmao
yup

[indigo coral]

sorry

[plucky flume]

np

[civic girder]

this is the same pic as my pfp

[indigo coral]

Ppl are always like hey how's the rotary when I mention my RX and I'm like oh....not that RX. Lolol.

[plucky flume]

lol

[indigo coral]

(Lexus RX not Mazda rx)

[civic girder]

should probs just call it the Lexus instead to avoid confusion

[plucky flume]

this is the same pic as my pfp
hey that's cool

13a?

[civic girder]

cries

you mean 12A

[plucky flume]

yea i was thinking about it

[plucky flume]

i always forget their names

hope it runs well

[civic girder]

hope it runs well
@plucky flume ye, its got perfect compression

[plucky flume]

👍

[civic girder]

A redline a day keeps the carbon away

[plucky flume]

a lil bit of dust but it feels new lol

[carmine summit]

Friend of mine used to have an FB with a 13b he autocrossed, had Hoosiers on it and it was stupid fast

[civic girder]

I bet

wonder if he had Kia gears

[carmine summit]

He sold it, he now dailies a beat Civic and is building a Civic to autocross

[civic girder]

F

I can't wait to get a house so I can double down on car projects

[plucky flume]

i cant wait to get a car lol

[civic girder]

https://streamable.com/5imry5

[carmine summit]

I can't wait to get a carpet

[plucky flume]

and a license

[carmine summit]

Like I legitimately cannot wait very long because I have to get my interior back together before this weekend

Because it's autocross time

[civic girder]

once I get a house I can repaint the FB

and I'll be able to start obtaining all the other cars/projects I want

[carmine summit]

I might be able to do a 5 lug swap pretty cheaply on my car, I started a summer job at a VW only wrecking yard today and saw a literal pile of the spindles and hubs I'd need for the front

Saw a couple of rear beams with the spindles and discs I'd need too

[civic girder]

Mazda gang

I wish I could park in a garage lmao

but alas, that was just so I could jumpstart my friend's Miata 😂

and funnily enough, that's not the only car I've jumped with the FB 😂

[sour ermine]

what should i be looking for in a first car? preferably ~$5000

i want something a little bit sporty but my mom doesn’t trust me

[civic girder]

Get something that is a front wheel drive sedan

Civic, Corolla, Camry, etc etc

If you can find one with a manual transmission, that should fulfill your "sporty" desires while allowing your mom to feel fine knowing its just a regular car

You can find any generic car with manual or auto for under $5k if you get an older one and/or one with high miles

[split pine]

ford taurus sho

[civic girder]

those are hard to find, especially cheap

[indigo coral]

2011 SHO is like 7k at this point

[dense shard]

oh easy

Get a manual. Everything is a bit sporty when you shift yourself.

[indigo coral]

The ecobeast sho is great

[dense shard]

It's also a big car that guzzles gas.

[indigo coral]

21mpg is pretty decent

[dense shard]

I'd recommend a Civic if you want sporty.

Corolla if you want durability.

[indigo coral]

If you want something fast get a SHO :)

[split pine]

rangers are pretty fun too

[indigo coral]

365hp and it feels every bit of it

[civic girder]

I would not define a Ranger as "fun"

[dense shard]

Fun is where you make it.

[split pine]

you have to get the v6

[dense shard]

Unless you are towing, I'd say get the 4 cylinder.

[split pine]

the i4 is pathetic

[dense shard]

Especially for the newer trucks.

[civic girder]

I won't be getting a v6 Ranger, because the engine is gonna come out anyways

[dense shard]

They make a bit less horsepower than the 3.0 V6.

[split pine]

you can bolt a 5.0 out of a foxbody right on the 5spd manual from the i4, doesnt mean itll last though

[dense shard]

Or you can leave the Mazda 2.3, and enjoy life.

[civic girder]

that's nothing close to my plan

[dense shard]

We know.

[civic girder]

sparta might not

[dense shard]

But I'm talking recommendations for a first car.

East here wants to rotary swap an old ranger for reference.

[civic girder]

yea, I would still say any generic sedan with manual would be what he's looking for first car wise

[dense shard]

Or Mazda Bxxxx.

and yeah

[indigo coral]

A sho is a solid, safe midsize sedan w/ lots of easily manageable power. Great car.

[dense shard]

Toyota or Honda...

[civic girder]

the idea is B2600 because FC trans, bell housing swap and a rotary will bolt straight in (minus having to make custom engine mounts)

[dense shard]

No turbos or AWD. Those add cost and weight down the line.

If you want something you can wrench on to learn about cars... Japanese is the way to go.

[indigo coral]

I'd never pay for a car with a weak sauce 100hp 4cyl. That's just unusable.

[dense shard]

Or the 2nd gen Ford Focus. It's like a generic knock off Mazda 3.

They weigh about 2000 pounds.

[civic girder]

implying that 4cyl are all unusable yet drives a gutless V6

[dense shard]

The 2000s Civics are surprisingly sprightly.

[indigo coral]

220hp vs like 120

[dense shard]

The Corolla tho is kinda gutless... but it'll be gutless till the landmasses merge again.

[civic girder]

75hp is just fine

[dense shard]

60 was fine.

[indigo coral]

Yeah no, 200 minimum

[civic girder]

😂

[dense shard]

If you have a crossover with a 4 speed auto maybe.

But to be totally honest. I was fine in my 135 hp Accord.

Then again it only weighed about 3000 pounds.

[civic girder]

we're talking first car man, I doubt he'll be able to find anything with 200+ hp for under $5k that isn't going to be the opposite of fun

[dense shard]

I mean... NA Miata?

[civic girder]

his mom might nix that because sports car tho

[indigo coral]

NA Miata has crazy insurance doesn't it?

[civic girder]

wot

no it doesn't?

[dense shard]

Does it?

[civic girder]

insurance is cheap on old car

[dense shard]

It is a 2 door sports car.

It might not be kind to a 16 year old.

But companies offer discounts for good grades and good parent scores.

[civic girder]

well, the insurance for the driver is the killer part

[indigo coral]

My car is 2700$ every 6 months to insure and it's a safe slow crossover

[civic girder]

the car itself is actually going to be hella cheap to insure

[indigo coral]

A Miata would be worse

[dense shard]

I'm paying 600 for comprehensive.

[indigo coral]

And you're what, 25?

[civic girder]

I bet I could insure a Miata for under $80 a month

[dense shard]

Moi?

[indigo coral]

Yeah

[dense shard]

I'm middle aged.

[indigo coral]

Mines liability only

[civic girder]

wiat really

[dense shard]

25 is but a distant memory.

[indigo coral]

2700$/6mo

[civic girder]

I thought you were like 24 and living at home 😂

[indigo coral]

Lol

[dense shard]

Add six, but I am living at home.

[civic girder]

ooof

[indigo coral]

30 isn't middle aged wym

Middle aged is like 45

[dense shard]

My hairline begs to differ.

All jokes aside.

You need to find a new policy, Falcon.

[civic girder]

I agree

[indigo coral]

I'm on my parents policy

With a good student discount

[dense shard]

Get your parents to shop around.

I don't think my family paid that much... mind you we always had cheaper cars.

[civic girder]

The only time slow cars become dangerous is in the presence of other people who cannot drive. And saying anything is unusable means that you have a closed mindset.

even cars with 75hp can reach 100mph with the right gearing

and do it without feeling gutless or unbelievably slow

[indigo coral]

My car has bad gearing

If I lay into it on the highway it's decent but only because it's running at 3100rpm at 70mph

[civic girder]

It's technically not bad gearing

[dense shard]

I'm turning 2500 RPM at 70.

[indigo coral]

It's not enough gears

[civic girder]

there you go

[indigo coral]

My top gear is still over 1:1

[civic girder]

isn't it a 4 speed?

[indigo coral]

I have no actual overdrive hear

Yes

gear*

[civic girder]

yea, that's the problem

[dense shard]

I have 2 overdrives.

[civic girder]

the RX-7 has overdrive

[indigo coral]

They call 4th over drive but it'd actually not

Still like 1.05:1

[civic girder]

an actual overdrive gear is more like 0.8:1

[indigo coral]

Ik

[civic girder]

depending on the car

[indigo coral]

The car I want, 8th gear is like 0.55:1

Lol

[dense shard]

overdrive... Ford marketed the Ranger as a 4 plus overdrive... I'm not sure why.

Apparently Americans have issues counting past 4.

[civic girder]

The RX-7's overdrive (aka 5th gear) is 0.825:1

4th is 1:1

[indigo coral]

My bottom gear is like 3.8:1 lol

I don't even have a 1:1 gear

[civic girder]

jesus, 3.8 is pretty short

that's shorter than the RX-7's 1st gear 😂

[indigo coral]

Lemme double check one sec

[dense shard]

My top gear is... .39:1

[civic girder]

god damn

that's long

[dense shard]

Final drive is 3.94

[civic girder]

final drive meaning diff?

[dense shard]

I mean... sure?

I imagine the diff is part of the transmission in FWD cars.

[civic girder]

yea, I think so

[dense shard]

If not... uhhhh I should have changed the diff fluid in my previous cars.

[civic girder]

yea, I think in FWD the diff is baked into the trans because there's no space

and it runs off the same ATF the rest of the trans does

ofc in AWD and RWD you get into having transfercases and separate diffs that take their own fluids

[dense shard]

right

[indigo coral]

First is 3.938:1

[dense shard]

Mine is 3.5-ish

That's amazing actually.

[indigo coral]

Final drive is approx 3:1 on mine

[civic girder]

so yea, final drive is the diff ratio

[dense shard]

Your first gear sounds like it tops out at like 15. lol

[indigo coral]

29

But that's redline

So practically like 15-20

[civic girder]

RX-7 has a final drive of 3.909

[indigo coral]

Is 3:1 final drive bad?

[civic girder]

that's hella long for final drive tbh

[dense shard]

It's pretty long

[indigo coral]

Lexus botched the trans in this car tbh.

Stupid engineers

should have at least been a 5 speed

[civic girder]

I agree

all older autos should be 5 speed at minimum

but no

older autos were 4 speed

and the manuals were 5 speed

https://tenor.com/view/law-of-attraction-brain-power-mind-euphoria-gif-16710651

and that's why you should always get an older car in manual

because the autos have dogshit for fuel economy

imagine getting an FB RX-7 in auto

3 speed auto

mmm yes, I like getting 10mpg

[indigo coral]

My car has dogshit fuel economy regardless

[civic girder]

nah, I bet it would be over 20 with a proper trans

[indigo coral]

It can get over 20

I've gotten 24

But it's just not aerodynamic

[civic girder]

you'd be getting close to 30 with proper gearing then

[indigo coral]

Nah I doubt it

The aero leaves a lot to be desired

And it's a heavy car

3700lbs iirc

[civic girder]

you'd be surprised

So yea, the Prius engine makes 76hp and 82 tork

and that's probably at the crank

and the car weighs 3k lbs

with just the gas engine alone I bet it could do 32mpg

ofc, the 2nd gen Prius is one of the most aerodynamic production cars of all time

[indigo coral]

If I put on aftermarket mirrors it would.help a lot

The current ones are decidedly not aero

[civic girder]

oh, I also just found out the Prius runs 185/65R15s

[indigo coral]

Square walls that block the air lol

[sour ermine]

what about a late 90s-early 2000s lexus as a first car?

[indigo coral]

Mine runs 235/70R16 iirc

[dense shard]

I could put aero tires on my car.

90s Lexus could work.

[indigo coral]

Get an LS

Or an 04 and newer RX 350

Avoid the 330s

[civic girder]

what about a late 90s-early 2000s lexus as a first car?
@sour ermine yea, that'd be fine. If you can get one in manual, you can can have great fun. But even if its an auto, it'll be a nice and reliable daily driver

[indigo coral]

The RX 350 is pretty damn quick and reliable, not a lot of fun tho

The one I drive sometimes is an '07. Surprisingly fast.

[dense shard]

Can you find a decent mileage one for under 5k?

[indigo coral]

Maybe

[civic girder]

I doubt it

[indigo coral]

My grandpa's RX is valued at 6200 with only 56k miles on it

[dense shard]

I wouldn't get an early 2000s Accord with an automatic.

[sour ermine]

what's good milage though

what's a no go?

[dense shard]

Under 100k.

[indigo coral]

100k or less

[civic girder]

good mileage is 100k miles or less
decent mileage is under 200k miles

[sour ermine]

and what are the best sites to look on?

[dense shard]

FB marketplace.

[civic girder]

I think Autotempest searches all the sites

always buy private seller

dealers like to hike up prices and rip you off

FB Marketplace is def good, you can find good stuff on there

[sour ermine]

ah alright

[civic girder]

with private sellers, you can haggle more

Can be like, "the paint is shitty, $200 off?"

or "I only have $3k rn, take it and I'll drive the car home"

ofc, what you can actually say/do depends on the car

sometimes asking price is a steal and you just need to get it asap

[dense shard]

You have bargaining room with private sellers usually.

If your mom is willing to go for a new car. Hertz is selling their fleet.

You can get a new Corolla sedan for 15k.

[civic girder]

depends on how that works

[dense shard]

Huge discount.

[indigo coral]

You could get a pretty nice RX for under 5k if that's what you wanted, despite it not being sporty, however avoid the first gen cars. I have one, its nice, but the 2nd gen is markedly better for not a lot more money

[dense shard]

And the 2020 Corolla has a lot of safety features... everything short of blind spot monitoring.

[sour ermine]

my uncle will probably help me out some, he's a mechanic by trade and also runs a shop out of his own garage

[civic girder]

now that you pointed it out to me, it kinda triggers me that you say "RX" on something that's not rotary lmao

[sour ermine]

most of his customers are asian so

asian cars

[dense shard]

Oh... if you are going for DIY... go for a Toyota.

or Honda.... get either in manual, and you'll have that car for decades.

[indigo coral]

I mean the lexus RX is much more common and well known :P

[civic girder]

if your uncle is a mechanic, have him go with you to look over the car

I mean the lexus RX is much more common and well known :P
but is it really?

common sure

[indigo coral]

My friend got a really nice Acura TL Type S 3.2 for 2900$

[civic girder]

but well known? idk on that one

[indigo coral]

It's got a lot of miles but it's in brand new condition

And plenty of power

Surprisingly good.

[dense shard]

Just don't get a Honda 6 speed.

Or if you do check if the 3rd gear still works.

[indigo coral]

iirc it uses the 5 speed

[civic girder]

5spd ftw

[indigo coral]

It's a shockingly good car

Like the only aesthetic flaw I noted was a small scuff on the bottom of the front bumper

Interior is virtually flawless

[civic girder]

While the HS250h is a good car, I think its really stupid

A toyota hybrid that gets 15mpg less than the Prius

like bruh

but that's what happens when you add 1L of displacement 😂

[indigo coral]

Get a CT200h instead of a Prius

It's a nicer interior and better looking with similar price and efficiency

[civic girder]

The CT200h still gets worse fuel economy

[indigo coral]

By a small bit

[civic girder]

I also wouldn't say its better looking

its not uglier than the Prius, but its not better looking

interior isn't going to be that much better either

[indigo coral]

Yeah the Lexus looks better

Lol

Same year

[civic girder]

nah, I think they both look pretty good

ofc, the mk4 Prius looks better post-facelift

[dense shard]

Same year, different platforms.

CT was New MX or something. Current Prius is TNGA-C.

If you could get a Lexus CT, that would be swell.

[sour ermine]

my dad is really against me getting a nissan for some reason

[indigo coral]

They should have made a CT hot hatch

[sour ermine]

is there a valid reason for that?

[indigo coral]

Bc theyre crap

[civic girder]

Yes

[indigo coral]

The CVT is awful

[dense shard]

Nissans aren't known for quality.

[civic girder]

Nissan have been trash since the early 2000s

[indigo coral]

The motors have issues, and interior quality is poor

[dense shard]

They've gotten better recently.

[indigo coral]

Buy a Toyota or Honda. Don't buy a Nissan.

[civic girder]

the manual ones are probs ok, but don't get a CVT one for sure

[dense shard]

And maybe soon they'll be good enough again.

[civic girder]

I doubt it

[dense shard]

The new sedans are quite nice.

[civic girder]

wot

[dense shard]

But that's like... the new new sedans.

[sour ermine]

im looking on hertz and all i see are nissan versas

[indigo coral]

Avoid Nissans

[dense shard]

You do realize Nissan has updated their sedans... right?

[indigo coral]

The versa interior is dreadful

[civic girder]

I've driven a 2018 Altima and it was dog shit, in every way

[dense shard]

A new Altima was introduced in 2019.

[civic girder]

none of the new Nissans even look good

[indigo coral]

It's worth the higher price for a Lexus/Toyota/Acura/Honda

[dense shard]

And also the previous generation was quite comfortable.

[sour ermine]

what about an elantra

[dense shard]

meh

[civic girder]

just looking at pics of the 2020 Altima and it looks so bad

[indigo coral]

They're okay

[sour ermine]

2015 elantra se for $7000?

[civic girder]

what about an elantra
@sour ermine what year?

[dense shard]

How does the new Altima look bad?

It's a perfectly average car.

Looks better than the Accord.

[civic girder]

oh, 2015? yea go for it

Modern Hyundai are excellent cars

the 2000s ones are trash reliability wise

[dense shard]

If you don't mind steering deader than a Nixon.

[indigo coral]

The new Hyundais are good cars

[dense shard]

They're fine cars, but dynamically dead I hear.

[civic girder]

I think the 2020 Accord looks better than the Altima. Though the Accord is really bland

[indigo coral]

How many miles does the Elantra have on it?

[dense shard]

The Accord is actively offensive to me styling wise.

[civic girder]

the Altima is just straight ugly to me

[dense shard]

Altima is a generic 3 box sedan that hasn't redefined anything.

[sour ermine]

@indigo coral 75k

[dense shard]

Honda tried something, and it came out looking like a Camaro on the front, nothing on the back.

[indigo coral]

75k ain't too bad for a commuter car like that

[civic girder]

that nose is horrifyingly bad to me

[dense shard]

I'll take it over the Accord.

[indigo coral]

I prefer the accord

Nissans are ugly

[dense shard]

Also the Alitma and Accord interiors are almost identical now.

[civic girder]

The Accord is inoffensive and plain

[dense shard]

ew

I'm not feeling that tbh.

The rear end looks all saggy.

[civic girder]

its the as the 2016 iirc

[dense shard]

Front is missing the bumper.

[civic girder]

slight facelift

[dense shard]

It has LED headlights now... which are worse.

[civic girder]

Front is missing the bumper.
@dense shard what?

[dense shard]

wow

It's just a black void.

They have that unpainted piece of black plastic.

And that weird radar cut out at the bottom.

[civic girder]

I don't think its unpainted

[dense shard]

Don't tell me... it's shiny glossy black?

[indigo coral]

I don't mind the accord

[civic girder]

it probably is

[dense shard]

A perfect color/texture for the front of a car.

[indigo coral]

Looks kind of outdated tho

[civic girder]

I mean, I have driven a 2016 Accord Touring, they're nice

yea, the 2020 is just a facelift of the 2016s iirc

it def looks outdated, but its not ugly

[dense shard]

Interior wise... near identical now.

[indigo coral]

the honda will have better materials

[civic girder]

I'd take the Honda interior any day

[dense shard]

Camry still has that screen inside the dash as opposed to on top.

I wouldn't.

I remember Honda interiors from recently, and they were cheap hard plastic.

[indigo coral]

I'd just get a used G70

[civic girder]

Camry still has that screen inside the dash as opposed to on top.
@dense shard Good. the iPad glued to the dash thing bothers me

[dense shard]

The 2019 Civic didn't impress me on interior quality.

[civic girder]

I haven't been in a modern gen Civic

[dense shard]

And both Honda and Nissan use the worst fake wood ever... and then use it in large amounts.

It's like they told a man who has never seen a tree to design wood trim... and didn't even give the man any picture references.

[civic girder]

I mean, tbh

if I was going to go and buy a brand new generic sedan

It'd be a Mazda 3

[dense shard]

Do it right, or don't do it at all.

[indigo coral]

if I was gonna get a generic sedan it would be a G70 or a Giulia

[dense shard]

The Mazda 3 is not very comfortable... and not very fun.

[indigo coral]

[civic girder]

if I was gonna get a generic sedan it would be a G70 or a Giulia
@indigo coral because those are definitely generic

[indigo coral]

the giulia isn't soi much but the G70 is just a hyundai

[dense shard]

Mazda went up market, and gave the car a twist beam suspension and a carry over entine.

[civic girder]

and the Giulia will break on the way home from the dealer 😂

[dense shard]

Assuming they fix it at the dealer lot.

[indigo coral]

It's not actually as bad as car journalists lead you to believe

I've heard good things from people who actually own it

[dense shard]

Car and Driver had their car in the shop for like... half their stay.

[indigo coral]

it's not an indestructible corolla but it's not as bad as car- yeah them - had

[civic girder]

I haven't heard good things about it

[dense shard]

And a year later, after they traded it in, it was still on sale.

And it's not like they wrecked it... like the Focus ST.

Or had it stolen... like the Audi A7.

[indigo coral]

I think the early production ones were a mess

the later ones seem to be fairly tolerable

especially if yu avoid the carbon ceramics

[dense shard]

A Mirage is tolerable.

[indigo coral]

I mean in terms of reliability

[dense shard]

For 15k I can tolerate things.

For 75k I expect perfection.

Especially during the warranty period.

[civic girder]

I agree

and also, I've heard the new Mazda 3s are fun?

[dense shard]

They're not.

[indigo coral]

I think they ironed out alot of the reliability issues throughout the production run, could be wrong

[civic girder]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[indigo coral]

I've not researched it That deeply

[dense shard]

I haven't driven the previous generation, but the new 3 drives heavy.

[civic girder]

I've heard the Mazda 3 was good. Decently comfortable and pretty fun

[dense shard]

Like there's a fat kid in the back.

Seats were too narrow for my wide ass... but your experiences may vary.

[indigo coral]

I've not been in a mazda recently

[civic girder]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense shard]

The interior is kinda dark, but holy shit is it nice.

[civic girder]

Maybe I hang out with Mazda fanbois

oh wait

[indigo coral]

i sat in a g70 and a stinger side by side and the g70 interior was a LOT better

[dense shard]

Everything I've heard... the new 3 is a step back from the previous generation.

[indigo coral]

regardless of what doug demuro says

[dense shard]

The suspension shit they claimed? Sorry but a twist beam axle IS worse.

"but we can full ass tune a twist beam and only half ass tune an IRS."

Toyota, Honda, and Nissan now say hi.

Nissan... the king of cost cutting now has independent rear suspension in Sentra.

[civic girder]

wtf is twist beam

[dense shard]

Fucking Nissan.

Solid rear axle, but it twists a bit.

[civic girder]

🤔

[dense shard]

It's budget suspension found in base model Jettas and Hyundais.

[civic girder]

I mean, solid axle is not shit by any stretch of the imagination

[dense shard]

It's inferior to independent.

[civic girder]

inferior but not shit

[dense shard]

True.

[indigo coral]

whatever suspension my RX has is shit

[dense shard]

And Mazda went for an inferior design.

[indigo coral]

it body rolls bad

[civic girder]

that's called soft suspension, falcon

[dense shard]

It didn't feel as good as the Civic or the Corolla in the twisties.

[indigo coral]

the 07 RX has soft suspension too but has much more managed body roll

[civic girder]

and if you think your SUV body rolls bad, you haven't been in an 80s Crown Victoria

[dense shard]

There wasn't a new Sentra out at the time.

And it didn't matter... no manual in the Sentra anymore.

Anyway... biggest sin was the new Mazda 3 was a 25k car being sold at 30k.

Oh and the rear sightlines were bad... like criminally bad.

[civic girder]

ok yea, that seems pretty odd

Mazda 3 should be a $25k car

[dense shard]

The manual only comes in the range topper.

[civic girder]

ah

[dense shard]

28k, and they didn't want to talk lower at all.

[civic girder]

makes sense tbh

[dense shard]

Offer manual in all the trims.

[civic girder]

problem is, no one will buy manual in lower trims

[dense shard]

Mazda 3 isn't 5k better than the Corolla or the Civic.

I doubt anyone is buying the top nacho trim.

The previous 3 could be had for 23k with change.

That was the top trim.

[civic girder]

also, based upon my research, twist beam doesn't seem that bad

[dense shard]

It's not as good.

The rear end in the 3 felt like dead weight to me.

[civic girder]

its better than solid axle in pretty much every way

[dense shard]

It's also inferior to an IRS setup in all the relevant ways.

[civic girder]

ofc

[dense shard]

It's quieter and lighter... wow.

oh and cheaper.

[civic girder]

but you also know that the cheapo IRS most cars have is actually really fucking shitty, right?

[dense shard]

Too bad the new 3 weighs more.

Cheapo IRS in what car?

It wasn't shit in the Corolla or Civic.

That leaves Hyundai and Nissan.

Mazda is talking shit in a very small field right now.

[civic girder]

All the basic sedans probs have that stupid trailing arm IRS that sucks

like, it feels better than non-IRS

but it sucks

My Prius has that kind of IRS and it sucks

the Prius handles well, but the rear feels dead

[dense shard]

Mazda supposedly did it because there was no trade off compared to IRS.

I call bullshit.

[civic girder]

I believe them on that. trailing arm would have been just as "bad"

[dense shard]

A lot of reviewers have said the new 3 handles worse than before.

Mazda also claimed it will save weight.

New 3 is a porker.

[civic girder]

that I do call bs

having a big beam adds weight lmao

[dense shard]

But fewer parts than IRS.

And the beam is fairly thing sheet metal.

[civic girder]

the appeal of trailing arm is that it weighs nothing

and its cheap

so you can reduce weight, save money, and get to brag about IRS

[dense shard]

Also more interior space.

You don't have a piece of metal going across the width of the car.

[civic girder]

depends on bodystyle

[dense shard]

Wait... the Mazda 3 only weighs 20 pounds more than my Corolla.

How did they make it feel like 3500 pounds?!

[civic girder]

softer, duller feeling suspension?

[dense shard]

It's no faster.

Oh, yeah the interior was nice... till you looked behind the front seats. lol

[civic girder]

Can't be worse than the Fusion

[dense shard]

Mazda gave soft touch plastics to the rear passengers... because there was nothing else to see back there. Dark, claustrophobic, and no seriously... the rear sightlines were tragic..

The Camaro is bad... the Mazda 3 is no better.

Worse in fact. It has more windows.

[civic girder]

The Camaro back seat isn't supposed to be good tho

[dense shard]

You NEED BSM and a back up camera to drive that car safely.

The Mazda 3 seat doesn't impress.

It's bigger than a Corolla HB... but I imagine MK's car has more leg room in the back.

[civic girder]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense shard]

Both cars fall far far short of the Civic hatchback.

Difference is you can afford a Civic and Corolla.

At Mazda 3 prices... why not just get a Mazda 6?

Or an Accord... or Camry

The last two get the same fuel economy... if not better.

[civic girder]

If I wasn't in the market for a hybrid, I'd probably look at both the 3 and the 6

[dense shard]

My issues with the Accord aside... it's a big big car.

And it's affordable.

[civic girder]

oh yea, they are massive

[dense shard]

25k for an Accord... or 25k for a Mazda 3?

Equivalent fuel economy, but you trade luxury for size.

[civic girder]

I mean

The biggest issue I have with the Accord is its size

the 2016 I drove felt way too big

[dense shard]

The Mazda 3 is pushing into territories that verge on German.

Okay but I will say this.

The interior fit and finish was stellar, and the shifter was superb.

Honda should take notes. lol

The shifter was direct, short, and actually pretty high up.

Shame about the seats tho.

[civic girder]

imo all car makers need to take notes from the history books

[dense shard]

Don't invade Russia in the winter?

[indigo coral]

The accord is on the smaller end of midsize no?

[civic girder]

excluding the Miata, what 2 door sports coupe feels like a first gen RX-7 anymore

none

[dense shard]

I think the Accord is on the larger end.

[civic girder]

^

[dense shard]

It's bigger than the Camry and Altima for sure.

Might be smaller than the Passat?

[civic girder]

If I was going to buy an Accord, I'd buy an 80s one with the popups

but then if I was buying a Honda, I'd get an AWS Prelude

[dense shard]

I'm looking forward to the next gen Accord and Civic.

Hopefully they take after the Fit.

Something more cutesy.

[civic girder]

I've never really liked the Fit

[indigo coral]

The Fit is Go!

[dense shard]

New one is adorable.

Of course not to be sold in the US.

[civic girder]

well, I'm probs gonna get off

[dense shard]

I need to go check my turnip prices.

[vapid shadow]

how are we all doing

[analog musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/470726938017792000/715688692660043847/image1.jpg

freands dads car

worst colur scheme on the planet

gold wheels, and orange paint with a black bonnet and dark brown leather

look how the ruined mi' boy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/470726938017792000/715688691909263461/image0.jpg

car makes nize sounds though

[tight cypress]

ugly as hell in my opinion

[dense shard]

He's got the money to buy it and spec it.

I'm not gonna judge.

[stoic ledge]

Might be smaller than the Passat?
@dense shard

No, the Accord is just a touch larger (literally 0.3 inch)

[dense shard]

Yeah, and the USDM Passat is one of the bigger cars.

VW made an American car for Americans.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I know

[dense shard]

For other's benefit?

[stoic ledge]

Interior to the European Passat tho

[dense shard]

Euro Passat looks better in every way imo

[stoic ledge]

US has the VR6 tho iirc, which is nice

Or is the 2nd gen 2.0 TSI only?

Ah the 2020 NMS Passat is 2.0 TSI only apparently

[dense shard]

yeah

The VR6 wasn't popular.

And not brilliant compared to the competition.

[stoic ledge]

VW is never brilliant compared to the competition

[dense shard]

Golf stands up.

That's it.

[stoic ledge]

Imagine not being able to get the Passat with a 1.4 TSI with 122hp, or a 1.6 diesel with 110hp

Golf stands up.
Even for that there are better option, even with VAG itself (Seat Leon for example is the same car but cheaper + better handling + better looking)

[dense shard]

Not in the US.

No internal competition.

[stoic ledge]

True

[dense shard]

But the 1.4T is blah compared to the Civic 1.5T.

And then there's Hyundai and Toyota.

[stoic ledge]

Ah no the newer VAG products have s 1.5 TSI

My bad

[dense shard]

Shame.

[stoic ledge]

1.4 is the old one

[dense shard]

go figure

[stoic ledge]

Idk, VW's are always waaaay to expensive and I can't understand why

Is the most bland car you can get, which apparently lots of people like since the sell well

[dense shard]

Apparently they're well built.

I'd have to try it myself tbh.

[stoic ledge]

Except even I've had VW owners rant about the reliability of their car.... And they go out and buy a new one experiencing the same issues

And both Seat and Skoda have actually better offerings for basically all VW cars

Golf? Cheaper Octavia has more space, Leon is more fun. Passat? Superb is bigger. Same for all the CUVs xD

[indigo coral]

[stoic ledge]

[indigo coral]

[stoic ledge]

Inb4 muted

[indigo coral]

no u

[stoic ledge]

Exactly

[indigo coral]

Come race your corsa with my RX once its fixed

[stoic ledge]

Sure

I know a nice stretch of road around here

Just stop by when you want

[indigo coral]

I went and got pads today

will get money and pick up rotors tmrw

[stoic ledge]

[indigo coral]

then calipers

Very much $$$$.

ended up much more expensive than i was hoping lol

[stoic ledge]

Yeah Those usually aren't cheap, although not that bad

Ah were they?

[indigo coral]

yeah

gonna be like... 330$ instead of 200$

oof

not fun lol

[stoic ledge]

Bwah that's what I paid to get new rotors in the front fitted

[indigo coral]

for now I'm just doing front rotors, pads and calipers

will do reasrs soon

rears*

[stoic ledge]

Nice

Front does 90%* of the braking anyways

* could be a different number, but the majority anyway

[indigo coral]

yeah

im not replacing the rear calipers

but i was going to replace the rear rotors and pads

will get around to that soon

[stoic ledge]

I have drums in the rear

[tight cypress]

same

[indigo coral]

4 wheel discs on mine

[stoic ledge]

Mine will probably still stop faster

[tight cypress]

my car stops so fast

when crashin into an tree

[stoic ledge]

Gg

Would recommend

[tight cypress]

brakes are useless

[stoic ledge]

[tight cypress]

engine braking

[indigo coral]

ofc yours would stop faster

[stoic ledge]

Won't stop as fast as brakes

[indigo coral]

It's way newer and way lighter

[stoic ledge]

It's way newer and way lighter

But it's GM so probably broken

[indigo coral]

probably true

Mines broken too

[stoic ledge]

Tried to find the official stopping distance rating for mine but I couldn't

[tight cypress]

oh yes my renoolt goes 0-100 in 11,5 sec

:)

[stoic ledge]

Faster than mine

[devout atlas]

k0rolla go 0-60 n3v3r

[tight cypress]

@stoic ledge spid

[stoic ledge]

Kaas 🧀

[devout atlas]

very spiid

[stoic ledge]

OOF The new Lexus IS won't come to Europe

[devout atlas]

can't relate

Chrsyler c300 gang

[stoic ledge]

👀

[devout atlas]

inb4 you ask

no, I don't own it

it's just a taxi here

[stoic ledge]

I've seen them as taxi as well

As a Lancia

With a diesel

[devout atlas]

oh

you're european

Lancia thema

correct?

[stoic ledge]

yeah

There are some 300C's as well

But I think all imported

[feral heath]

hot

Miata NA or S2k?

[stoic ledge]

Can't properly fit in a Miata so

[devout atlas]

s2k

[feral heath]

I am trying to think about first car and idk if I should go with a Miata NA or a S2k.

[devout atlas]

fight me

s2k

budget?

[stoic ledge]

But I think all imported
Apparently not, there have been some sold via official channels

[feral heath]

15k is my max.

USD

[devout atlas]

bruh

15k

[feral heath]

ik

[devout atlas]

you can get anything

for that

[stoic ledge]

you can get anything
@devout atlas Not an Arnage

😛

[devout atlas]

oh

you remember my arnage obsessio

but

fr

[stoic ledge]

Of course I remember xD

[devout atlas]

you can actually get a green label bmw arnage with high miles

[stoic ledge]

👀

[devout atlas]

but, you 14k, you can get a 2015 mustang

[stoic ledge]

And spend al least that again in maintenance

[devout atlas]

the year when they actually got modrn suspension

XD

And spend al least that again in maintenance
@stoic ledge nah, 5k max

XD

[stoic ledge]

in the first 3 months*

xD

[devout atlas]

but

you can get a baller bentley turbo r for 15

but, fr, get a 2015 mustang

[stoic ledge]

Get a Taurus SHO and pretend to be a cop

[devout atlas]

you can get a v6 easily

and almost a v8

Get a Taurus SHO and pretend to be a cop
@stoic ledge nah m8, charger

[stoic ledge]

👀

Saturn Astra

Definetly

[devout atlas]

hey

you can get a Lincoln continental

the new one

classic land yacht (but a bit too sporty)

[stoic ledge]

For 15k?

No way

[devout atlas]

yep

[stoic ledge]

WTF

That's cheap af

[devout atlas]

I can seea 130k lincoln

*see a

130k miles, 14k

[stoic ledge]

130k

OOF

[devout atlas]

yep

but

it's a lincoln

and it's only 2 years old

what could possibly go wrong?

[stoic ledge]

How the F can you drive 130k in 2 year

That's 65k a year

[devout atlas]

Speedi boi

[stoic ledge]

180 miles a day, every day

300 km

👀

[devout atlas]

hey

a 2014 cadillac cts is also a good idea

for 13k

[stoic ledge]

Wish cars were that cheap here

[devout atlas]

eh

they're expensive here too

XD

[stoic ledge]

No

They're not

😛

Everything is like 40% less

If not more

[devout atlas]

I don't live in the US

doe

I'm just recommending card to the UMMMMMMMMMMMM guy

BOi

I see a 2010 Dodge challenger for 11,400

80k miles doe

s2ks are overpriced

not worth 21k for a 2008 model

:/

that's the issue with hype cars

[stoic ledge]

Yeah

[devout atlas]

would you pay 21k for a 12 year old honda?

Lmao

a little more would get you a new miata

an arnage red label with 41k miles is a much better deal for 21k

[stoic ledge]

21k can also get you a brand new base VW Polo 1.0 MPI Comfortline

Ah, 21k USD probably, then you even can't get that

xD

But no, although I like the S2k, 21k is too much

[devout atlas]

exactly

I'd honestly just pick up a lincoln conti

if I lived in NA

it's a beautiful yacht for mere pennies

[stoic ledge]

But not a 130k miles one

[devout atlas]

yeah

if I had 50k, I'd get a 2006 arnage T

:p

If i had 25k, I'd get a spotless Bentley Turbo R

but

I have .05k

so

I'll get severe depression

[stoic ledge]

Classic

[devout atlas]

yes

i bet clarkson will buy my depression for 20

sell it for 10

only for it to reach 40

the next day

[median egret]

ye

[dense shard]

If I had 25k... I'd get NB Mazdaspeed Miata.

Or maybe a S2K.

[devout atlas]

BRuh

25k is too much for a old honda

you can get a lincoln conti

or a dodge challenger

ora cts-v

*or a

or a post 2015 mustang

[dense shard]

Problem is the Continental isn't something I want. It's a Ford in make up. A Dodge Challenger is a barge, and I doubt I could get a manual SRT-8 model for under 25k.

Maybe a CTS-V.

Problem is none of these cars handle as well as the S2K, and none of them have an engine as magical.

[devout atlas]

true

but

with 25k

you can

ahem

get an arnage

[dense shard]

Or I can get something that won't cost me an arm and a leg to keep running.

A S2000 is fun. An Arnage is not. I would like something either fun or utilitarian as my second car/truck.

[stoic ledge]

@dense shard did you see Toyota is going to sell the 3 doors Yaris GR with a regular 1.5 CVT powertrain in Japan and call it the GR Yaris? It looks just luke the hot hatch, only with no power xD

[fathom socket]

Cleaning the car instead of doing my laundry

[stoic ledge]

[devout atlas]

A S2000 is fun. An Arnage is not. I would like something either fun or utilitarian as my second car/truck.
@dense shard stop right there, buckaroo

[stoic ledge]

Get an Arnage, slam it, put some spooly boiis on it and convert it to a pickup

That's fun + utilitarian

Or just get a Ute xD

[civic girder]

I can't even imagine an alternate universe in which I would ever consider buying an Arnage

[dense shard]

Why would I stop anywhere? Why would I get an Arnage?

[devout atlas]

because leather

[dense shard]

I can get a Lexus LS and actually enjoy driving my luxury car.

And it will last me a million miles.

[devout atlas]

don't you like land yachts?

[dense shard]

no

[devout atlas]

well

[dense shard]

I enjoy smaller cars.

[devout atlas]

personal preference is something

[dense shard]

There's a reason I bought a Toyota Corolla HB.

[devout atlas]

I personally love land yachts

[civic girder]

If I was going to get a land yacht, I'd get a good one

[devout atlas]

00f

like a 1960s caddy?

[civic girder]

an 80s Crown Victoria

[dense shard]

If I had 25 grand.

[civic girder]

the most comfortable car I've ever been in

[dense shard]

I'd get a 60s Lincoln or Cadillac.

[devout atlas]

not a grand marquis?

[civic girder]

that's literally the same thing lmao

[devout atlas]

it sounds more yacht-like

[dense shard]

Most comfortable car... Lincoln Towncar tied with a Saab 9-5 I think.

[devout atlas]

I love how everyone forgets the turbo r

like

[civic girder]

You haven't body rolled an 80s Crown Vic so hard the door sills almost scrape on the ground then

[devout atlas]

bruh

[dense shard]

No one forgot the Turbo R.

It wasn't worth remembering in the first place.

[civic girder]

and I actually do prefer the Vic over the Grand Marquis

[dense shard]

It was from an era where Bentleys were just rebadged Rolls Royce.

And that era of Rolls Royce wasn't exactly memorable.

[devout atlas]

it was memorable

[dense shard]

how

[devout atlas]

due to the sheer amount of oil

in your garage

[civic girder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638872947473252364/648634428658155531/P_20191125_152235.jpg

[devout atlas]

if you owned one of those

:p

[dense shard]

I can get an Italian car.

Same oil amount, but more fun.

And better looking.

[devout atlas]

but less leather

no

[dense shard]

Same amount of leather tbh.

[devout atlas]

looks are subjective

[civic girder]

leather sucks

[devout atlas]

leather sucks
@civic girder cloth seats gang

I can't say

[civic girder]

Give me cloth and velour instead

[devout atlas]

public transport here is dope

[dense shard]

I prefer cloth.

But I'm not minding my "leather" seats right now.

[civic girder]

I've never been in a car with leather interior that I was jealous of

always been like "if this didn't have leather it would be much better"

[dense shard]

Yeah. Leather isn't the feature I care about.

[civic girder]

our old Toyota Sienna, the biggest problem with it was the leather

[dense shard]

Tho to be fair my car's seats are softex, not leather.

[civic girder]

the Lexus? best leather interior I've seen, but I'd still rather have cloth

[indigo coral]

I'd take leather over cloth every time

[dense shard]

I don't really think about it.

The XSE head leather seats with cloth inserts, and I thought it looked cool and felt good.

I didn't think, "gee, if only the materials used were different"

[civic girder]

when its not my car I can afford to think about it

cause its not my problem 😂

The RX-7 has vinyl with velour inserts. Not a fan of the vinyl, but the velour is nice.

[indigo coral]

Vinyl seats are a crime

[dense shard]

Most modern cars with leather seats aren't leather, but vinyl

errr I mean softex!

[devout atlas]

enter the bentley

big leater

big cost

big grin on yer face

[dense shard]

Yeah, but leather is a pain in the ass to take care off.

[stoic ledge]

And too hot in summer

[dense shard]

Not an issue with white seats.

[devout atlas]

Yes, but one ought not think about such trivialities when your butler can make a most excellent car out of the heap

[dense shard]

If you are buying a 25k Bentley, you don't have a Butler.

And you will be taking care of dried out cracked leather seats.

Using products you bought from autozone.

[devout atlas]

yes

that's why you must buy a 60k bentely

[dense shard]

Why.

I can get a Lexus ES or LS for that money... new.

[civic girder]

if I was spending $60k, it'd be on a classic rotary

and it would likely not be the car that costs $60k

[dense shard]

ooohhhhh, or that.

[civic girder]

but the restoration process

[stoic ledge]

If I was spending $60k... I'd get a Volvo probably

[dense shard]

60k... you can get a barn find RX-7.

[civic girder]

RX-7?

[dense shard]

maybe

[civic girder]

I already have the best one

[dense shard]

Except it needs a new paint job?

[civic girder]

The only other rotaries I really want are an RX-4 sedan and the OG Cosmo

paint is ezpz

[dense shard]

Like for 60k I imagine you can find a super clean RX-7.

Of any generation.

[civic girder]

an FD

[dense shard]

Well not an FD.

[civic girder]

a $60k FB is so overpriced it'd be fucking insane

[dense shard]

Maybe a driving FD. lol

Dunno about clean.

[civic girder]

If I'm buying an FB for $60k; it better be zero miles, 100% original, basically fresh off the factory floor, new car smell and all

you can get clean and original FBs in great shape for under $10k

mine is a good example of that

sure the paint is fucked, but 80s Mazda paint was pretty shitty all around

there aren't many first gen RX-7s with good original paint

[fossil imp]

or engines 🙂

[devout atlas]

no love for the arnage here

QQ

[civic girder]

My FB has a good original engine wdym

[fossil imp]

not driven hard obv 😄

[civic girder]

you should see how I drive it

[devout atlas]

can't relate

i don't own a car

[civic girder]

iTs A fOrTy YeAr oLd cAr, dOn'T FlOoR iT

haha rotary go brrr

[dense shard]

I wouldn't mind an FC RX-7.

[normal temple]

I floor my 31 year old car

is that bad

[dense shard]

meh, at this point probably not.

I'm taking it very easy with my car.

[civic girder]

as long as the engine is running fine, it doesn't really matter

[dense shard]

And she's not even a year old.