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civic girder
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and with 100k miles on them

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the GM 3800 is unkillable

stoic ledge
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Lol 100k miles on a set of plugs

civic girder
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The Toyota manual says spark plugs go 120k miles

vapid shadow
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That's true. You also get the sound of power

indigo coral
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Mine were worn but were okay when we swapped them out in my car

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Still made it faster tho

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Noticeably

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And it doesn't short shift when you floor it anymore

vapid shadow
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I'll have you know my spark plugs are fine

stoic ledge
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Mine are 20k miles old so probably fine? xD

vapid shadow
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Mine are 100 ish miles old

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The old ones were shot

civic girder
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@stoic ledge Depends on type. If you have copper plugs, they'll probs fail around 30k miles

stoic ledge
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Uhm idk which one, but LPG has a weird effect on them so they wear out faster

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I change them every other year

civic girder
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ah

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I'd just get copper plugs if you can

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cheaper that way

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the good plugs cost more and if you're killing them faster there's no reason to waste cash

stoic ledge
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There are some specific LPG ones with a smaller electrode gap

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I get those fitted

civic girder
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oh, i see

stoic ledge
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Smaller or larger? I think smaller (0.7mm)

dense shard
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boom

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Proud owner of a Porsche 911 RSR

deft arch
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nice

dense shard
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It's got a differential and everything.

autumn talon
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I built a LEGO GT3 RS but my cats destroyed it lol

autumn talon
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cars wont break your heart

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they wont cheat on you

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obvious way to go

tame mesa
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yes

ripe goblet
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fr

hearty siren
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Which lotus is that?

civic spoke
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@hearty siren Exige (Series 3)

hearty siren
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Thank you

median egret
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lotuses are cool but

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expensive

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evora ugly tho

civic spoke
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They hold their value tho

indigo coral
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I like the evora wym

young aurora
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they wont cheat on you
@autumn talon Yeah but they might break on you tho ๐Ÿ‘€

dense shard
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dunno... Teslas have cheated on their owners in the past.

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Also according to Musk the FSD package will be worth 100k when it is finally released.

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So it will be worth about 200% of the car's value. Pogey

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And just because you say your car is an appreciating asset doesn't make it true.

civic spoke
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A big thing about full self driving, is that in order for me to actually use it.

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Then Tesla would have to take any kind of liability in case of an accident.

dense shard
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That and in order for you to use it it needs to actually be fully released and be approved by the government.

civic girder
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Lotus are built very cheaply for what they are

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like, fairly certain Miatas have better build quality

woeful marsh
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Does anyone know if the auto start/stop function on new Fords kill the starter?

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My gasoline engine is turning off at stop lights

civic girder
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I think that the starter might die faster than normal, but should still last at least 100k miles before it dies

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if it is a hybrid car, you don't need to worry about the starter at all (because there is no traditional starter)

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@woeful marsh is your car a hybrid?

woeful marsh
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Not a hybrid its gas

dense shard
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No it won't kill the starter.

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Automakers tend to design the car with stop/start in mind. So the starter should be beefier and able to take the extra load.

fathom socket
deft arch
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beamng drive is one of my favourite games to use my racing wheel on

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the graphics aren't the best but the crash physics make up for it

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its just so fun smashing 2 trucks head on

civic girder
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I play beam with wheel for grip racing

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I create cars in automation, export them, and then compare lap times

deft arch
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i cant really afford automation, well i have enough money too but i don't think its the best use of my money

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i have g920

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but without the extra shifter i use the paddle shifters on the whell

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wheel*

civic girder
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This is what my excel spreadsheet is looking like rn. so far its just homebrew lore race cars

deft arch
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which track do you use?

civic girder
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the Chloe Cup is hands down one of my best creations

deft arch
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a mod or the hirochi race track thingy

civic girder
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I have lots of modded tracks

deft arch
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oh ok

civic girder
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look at top of the screenshot

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it shows what track the laptimes are fore

deft arch
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i didnt see that

civic girder
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The grey one on the left is the Concordia Exunaugh Cup

deft arch
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oh cool

civic girder
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Thats a screenshot from automation

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they don't look as pretty in Beam ๐Ÿ˜‚

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but they drive pretty well

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the Chloe handles very well

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I actually had to buff all the other Cup cars because the Chloe was too fast and I didn't want to nerf it

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You can even see where it was basically the fastest car in Cup racing

deft arch
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yeah

civic girder
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Left is the 1969 Pega Wyvern SS

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right is the 2020 Pega Wyvern Concept

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the original Wyvern SS is another great creation

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Its got like 400hp out of an 8L V8, and makes 600lb-ft of torque

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and its supercharged

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I don't remember what I gave the 2020 Concept

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though I'm pretty sure that pic is old

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I know I made some major design changes to the red and white cars

civic girder
deft arch
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bruh

autumn talon
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@autumn talon Yeah but they might break on you tho ๐Ÿ‘€
@young aurora lol

gray kestrel
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Any JDM/Wangan Midnight fans here? We've just created a new server, and would love to see it grow! DM me if you want to join, I can't post the invite here without my post getting censored for some reason.

civic girder
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I think wangan midnight is more of a meme, kinda a crappy show.

civic spoke
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I was damn close to being t-boned by PostNord just now.

gray kestrel
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I think wangan midnight is more of a meme, kinda a crappy show.
@civic girder wouldn't really agree w/ that. Why do you think so?

crisp jolt
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That moment when you don't know the name of a part and you need to find a way to ask the person at AutoZone

civic girder
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@crisp jolt I feel. I'll ask them, and then they give me a weird look cause they have no idea wtf I'm talking about

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@gray kestrel its kind of like a bootleg Initial D with even less character development and the entire show revolves around a psychological draw to speeding on the highway at night. The characters always seemed half baked at best

gray kestrel
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@civic girder Wangan Midnight is more about the cars than the characters. I never liked comparing it to Initial D(I really like both); Initial D is more about characters and technique, while Wangan is more about the tuning, and the cars themselves. Two completely different, but great, car racing animes.

civic girder
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I never got any inkling of Wangan being about the cars

crisp jolt
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It might help if I take a photo

civic girder
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I was always confused about what was the purpose of the show

gray kestrel
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I never got any inkling of Wangan being about the cars
Exactly how many episodes have you watched? One?

civic girder
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Uh, I watched like the first half of the show and a few videos of clips from the show from after that point

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Got bored cause it seemed pointless

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There never seemed to be any end goal

gray kestrel
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The first half isn't exactly the best, especially ep 7. I'll agree w/ that. But as you progress from ep 10 onwards, it's a stellar show

civic girder
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Idk, I didn't think it was very good at all

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Watching clips from ep 20+ didn't give me a reason to go back

gray kestrel
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There never seemed to be any end goal
That's because tuning is by nature never ending. There'll always be something that isn't fixed, something that needs to be revised. Clips don't show the entire story IMO

civic girder
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A story with no end goal is pointless and boring lmao

gray kestrel
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The end goal of wangan, at least IMHO, is about getting the car/s to run at their best

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That's what the finale talked abt

civic girder
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Like, I saw a 10-15 minute video combining clips from varying episodes regarding the FC. Shit was boring as fuck.
"I want this FC because nostalgia boner and unexplainable emotions" was what I got from that

gray kestrel
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That proves my point of clips not showing the whole story

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To understand why Kijima wanted the FC, you'd have to follow the story

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Also, have you ever noticed how much plot armor initial D has? When has Takumi ever lost?

civic girder
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The clips showed scenes that talked about how it was a car that he helped tune in the past or whatever

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But it still didn't really make sense

gray kestrel
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To understand why Kijima wanted the FC, you'd have to follow the story
^^

civic girder
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I guess there's something I missed in the filler not shown in clips

gray kestrel
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Definitely

civic girder
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See the difference between Initial D and Wangan is that Initial D has energy and character development. Watching Wangan makes me want to fall asleep, but watching Initial D is like riding a hype train

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I won't deny that Takumi has hella plot armor

gray kestrel
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At least you're not that initial D fanboy

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Akio loses multiple times over the series

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He wins only through his own skill, unlike Takumi

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Takumi is a mixture of skill and plot armor

civic girder
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Well, Takumi won through skill

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But he never lost cause plot armor

gray kestrel
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Also, the fact that Wangan was actually a real thing makes it interesting

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Like the Mid Night Club actually existed in real life, and they drove JDM tuners down the tokyo bayshore route at 200 mph

civic girder
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Touge drifting was a real thing as well

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Afaik, all the mountains in Initial D are real, just with different names

gray kestrel
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Idk if there was rly a very famous ae86 tho

civic girder
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Probably not

gray kestrel
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While the Z and Blackbird actually existed

civic girder
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But ae86 were popular drift cars back in the late 80s

gray kestrel
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Now they're just expensive cause of what some people call 'Takumi tax'

civic girder
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That's called fanboyism

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FD RX-7 and FC RX-7 also have a popularity tax on them

gray kestrel
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Fd yes

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FC not so much

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There are some cheap FCs here and there

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Not very common

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But they exist

civic girder
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FC not as much yes, because it didn't have a huge role in Initial D and in the grand scheme Initial D is not mainstream compared to fast and furious

gray kestrel
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Cheap FDs though, are a different story....

civic girder
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Yea

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But FCs are still usually $5k USD minimum for decent ones

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Cheaper than that and they're probably fucked 7 days from Sunday

devout atlas
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no replacement for displacement

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hello folks

civic girder
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FB RX-7 on the otherhand, cheap af for a car in good shape

devout atlas
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ok

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ignored

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alright

civic girder
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Not to mention that FB production numbers overpower FC and FD production numbers combined

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There were like some 400k FBs made, with 85% of them sold in the US

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FCs didn't even reach 200k iirc, and FDs barely broke 60k

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no replacement for displacement
@devout atlas where's my 8L hemi

devout atlas
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actually

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that's a bentley thing

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WO bentley

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said it

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and as I'm a proper bentley fan

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I say that

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yuo will get a 6 and 3/4 V8 instead

civic girder
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tfw no 8L hemi exists

devout atlas
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you can make one

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with crayong

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*crayons and hope

civic girder
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I'd rather machine a balance an 8L rotary

devout atlas
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or was it 18?

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i forgot

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XD

civic spoke
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Lovely car.

civic girder
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Which using prexisting Mazda shit, would be approx a 16 rotor engine

civic spoke
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But probably terrible to own after warranty.

civic girder
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16 rotor race car would be based as fuck

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Definition of big pp energy

devout atlas
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@civic spoke warranty for these died in the early 2010s

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if you actually wanna daily an arnage,

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you need a more recent one

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the early 1998-2000 cars had rubbish 4.4 liter Bmw engines

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the early 6.75l powerplants have camshaft and other misc problems after 60k miles

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the 2006+ models

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are the best

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but tend to be 30k-70k

civic spoke
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Actually went "The fuck..." when I read the engine options for the Bentayga

devout atlas
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look

civic spoke
devout atlas
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being a proper bentley aficionado, I can safely say that the Arnage and the Brooklands

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were the last true Bentleys

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even the azure

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to some extent

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yes

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the bentayga doesn't have the 'correct' powerplant

civic spoke
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You can get the W12 tho. ๐Ÿ‘€

devout atlas
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the w12 is a Volkswagen powerplant

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it's not the OG 6 and three quarters V8

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that 4.5k redline

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mmhm

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I can feel the trees dying whenever someone drives an arnage

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i'm buyinga bloody arnage after graduation

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(within 6 years, relaistically)

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and I'm gonna bloody daily it

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and no bloke will stop me

civic spoke
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No one but your wallet can stop you.

devout atlas
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they're cheap

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and I should be getting a good job

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i think

civic spoke
devout atlas
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it's pre 2006 facelift

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won't touch those with a 10 foot long pole

dense shard
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I wouldn't touch any Bentley with a 10 foot pole.

civic spoke
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Same. Unless everything was paid for.

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(By someone else)

devout atlas
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I'm that someone else

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tbh

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the arnage shouldn't jave a bad rep

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it's perfectly reliable

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fora british coachbuilt car

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*for a

dense shard
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So it's not great by any other standard.

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If I had to go for an old British car...

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I'd probably just LS swap a 2 door Bentley.

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Strip out the electrical, and go from there.

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oh freaking Bosch suspension. Of course they had to include that.

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Bentley > Rolls Royce

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change my mind

civic spoke
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What about the Bose suspension?

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Oh, it's there.

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They actually didn't show the Lexus jump. That's illegal.

dense shard
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oh right bose

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Keep forgetting

devout atlas
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bentleys are better than rolls

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no doubt

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anyone who disagrees is either:

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i. a dubai guy who just bought a phantom

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ii. a fanboy

civic spoke
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Man. The new Phantom is so damn nice looking.

devout atlas
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they killed the mulsanne

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so bentley

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basically killed

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the 'big 4 door yacht'

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so technically

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the phantom is the only thing

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:/

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sucks

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right?

dense shard
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To be fair. Mulsanne wasn't really relevant when it came out.

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It was a car for a market niche that was literally dying out.

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Land yachts still exist at any rate.

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Bentley/Lincoln Continental, Toyota Century, Rolls Royce whatever it's called.

devout atlas
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remember the brooklands?

dense shard
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Only Bentley I legit wanted.

devout atlas
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they killed the 2 door uber expensive yacht

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too

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I want an arnage

dense shard
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nah, that market was 100% dying out.

devout atlas
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as I'll be able to drive my dad around

dense shard
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2 door cars overall are dying.

devout atlas
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in a car he loved

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XD

dense shard
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Honda killed the Accord coupe.

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That was the last gasp of the coupe to me.

devout atlas
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that's a big f

dense shard
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Mind you the GT86 twins still exist.

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Legally they're coupes.

devout atlas
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you mean the brz and the scion frs?

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:p

dense shard
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Scion died years ago.

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It's the Toyota GT86 now.

devout atlas
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I like to live in the past

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hence

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the arnage

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to be completely honest

indigo coral
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yeah bentleys are better. Rolls are heinously ugly, and make you seem like a prick

devout atlas
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^^

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when i'm oout of college

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the 2011 mulsannes

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will be as cheap

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as teh 2008 arnages

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the mulsanne is a Volkswagen, however

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and the arnage

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is less so

dense shard
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It's still German electrical.

devout atlas
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it's got bimmer switches

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with the cowhide

dense shard
devout atlas
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QQ

dense shard
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Savage Geese hates the 840i.

devout atlas
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it looks

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ahem

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bloated

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like a catfish

civic spoke
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8 series actually looks better in person.

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I probably wouldn't mind the 840i. I'm a sucker for inline 6 engines.

dense shard
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Get a 3 series.

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It'll look the same inside anyway.

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Or a Z4... or a Supra.

civic spoke
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Man. I wished you could get more BMW's with a manual.

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So few model/engines that have the manual option.

indigo coral
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The new 8 series look nice and I see lots of them but I kind of wonder why bmw made it

dense shard
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Carry over diesels, M-series... and that's it.

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I imagine Toyota has more manual options at this point in time.

civic spoke
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For the 3 series wagon, then you can only get a manual with the 320d.

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Same with the sedan. Oof.

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Oh, wait. I was wrong. It wasn't the 320d. It was the 318d.

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So 150 hp, instead of the 190 you get in the 320d ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

stoic ledge
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I want a more powerful gas 3er wagon with a manual Pogey

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But there aren't any

dense shard
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G80 did away with manuals.

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Only reason the diesels have manuals is apparently the engines are carryovers from last generation.

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BMW has become lame.

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what a shame

stoic ledge
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Then I'd probably just get a V60 T6/T8 or whatever, just as fast or even faster, less expensive by a lot and maybe even better looking

dense shard
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But more reliable?

stoic ledge
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It's not like BMW is the most reliable brand in the world

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I don't think Volvo is less reliable

civic spoke
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I want a 6 cylinder manual. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

indigo coral
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G70 still has a manual

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But only in the slow 4 banger

dense shard
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good enough imo

stoic ledge
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Are there actually any 6-cyl manual still for sale?

dense shard
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Toyota Tacoma

stoic ledge
dense shard
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Mustang, Camaro.

indigo coral
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the 4 banger in the g70 is pretty anemic tbh

stoic ledge
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We get none of those xD

dense shard
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0-60 in under 7 seconds?

stoic ledge
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Mustang only 4 or 8 cyl, no Camaro, no Tacoma

dense shard
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Anything under 10 seconds in most cars is adequate.

indigo coral
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Why would you buy a sport sedan with only like 200hp tho

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may as well buy a more mundane car for less money

dense shard
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Because I want a luxury car with a manual.

indigo coral
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Don't they still sell an accord manual?

dense shard
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And the 2.0T makes 250 horsepower.

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The Accord isn't luxury.

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And apparently it has some quality and dynamic issues.

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It's fast by virtue of good tires, not good tuning.

indigo coral
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if you're talking like a high end storied brand, neither is Genesis

dense shard
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Luxury is luxury.

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Doesn't need a 100 year history to be good.

indigo coral
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Btw, sounds like the next Stinger will likely be electric

dense shard
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I think I'd take a G70 over the Accord.

civic spoke
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Once you have experienced a higher tier of car, then you start to nag about all the stuff you are missing once you go back down a tier or two.

devout atlas
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talking of luxury

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the Bentley Arnage

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XD

dense shard
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Lexus LS is better in every way.

indigo coral
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I've never really driven a higher tier of car so I still am okay driving our Taurus and stuff

stoic ledge
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Arnage is no sports sedan

devout atlas
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@dense shard better than a Twin turbo 6.75 liter v8?

stoic ledge
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Neither does it have a manual

devout atlas
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I heard luxury

dense shard
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yes

devout atlas
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I just joined

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no

dense shard
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The V6TT out of the LS is pretty excellent.

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As is the hybrid they offer.

devout atlas
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does it redline at 4.5k?

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I think not?

stoic ledge
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Is it a diesel

dense shard
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6.5k

civic spoke
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I mean, I can make due with a Ford Focus. But something like my E46 is so much more refined.

stoic ledge
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I think not?

devout atlas
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no

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it's a petrol

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that redlines at 4.5

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:p

dense shard
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It swills gas, has last gen tech in it, and isn't built in Japan.

devout atlas
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6.75 liter

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@dense shard not last gen

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1950s

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XD

dense shard
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That's bad.

indigo coral
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the biggest problem with it is that it will run you to bankruptcy court trying to keep it running

devout atlas
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that's good

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heritage

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and such

indigo coral
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ask tyler hoover

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lmao

devout atlas
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and nayway

stoic ledge
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I know it does, but that's an entirely different type of engine

dense shard
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The Bentley uses a Chrysler engine.

indigo coral
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the lexus will outlast you

dense shard
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That's hardly heritage.

devout atlas
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by 2006 most of the engine was rebuilt anyway

dense shard
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And it used to use a GM Hydramatic transmission.

stoic ledge
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It's meant to provide smooth trust, no sudden hit of acceleration

dense shard
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Both are downright generic.

devout atlas
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@dense shard tghe transmission in the old arnages

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is gm

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yes

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teh engine

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is british doe

dense shard
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Based on a Chrysler I recall.

devout atlas
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I'm pretty sure

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that it was a RR powerplant

indigo coral
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lexus cars last damn near forever so that's a certain advantage ๐Ÿ™ƒ

devout atlas
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it's not chrsyler

indigo coral
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I'd take a new LS over a whole hell of a lot of other cars

civic spoke
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One of the big thing that's nicer with luxury cars is the reduced noise when driving down the freeway.

indigo coral
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^^ even my old RX is fairly quiet on the highway

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obviously not up to brand new luxury car levels but it's decently quiet

civic spoke
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Cheaper cars are so damn loud when going 100 km/h.

indigo coral
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and my RX has the CdA of a barn

civic spoke
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It's not Truck-bad. But still pretty bad.

dense shard
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Happily my Corolla is fairly quiet.

indigo coral
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our explorer was quite loud but that was beacuse if the absolutely garbage tires it had

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now that its got better tires its much quieter

dense shard
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yeah all the noise I get is tire noise

indigo coral
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i think iut's cool that ANC is startign to make its way into new cars

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that'll make it impressively silent

dense shard
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ugh I hate ANC

indigo coral
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why?

dense shard
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noise cancelling headphones already cause headaches for me.

indigo coral
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ah

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which ones have you tried?

dense shard
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Bose and Sony so far.

indigo coral
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the Bose ones give me a headache, the Sony ones dont

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for me

dense shard
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It puts this weird pressure on my eardrums.

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Hard to explain it, but it's like a pressure change.

indigo coral
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I want to try the Surface headphones

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they look really nice, and have good ANC from what I understand

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and good sound

dense shard
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Also ANC does often bring with it... piped in engine noises.

indigo coral
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that seems counterproductive

dense shard
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I'm willing to give it a shot, but I just wish all this stuff had an off button.

indigo coral
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piping in noise when you put a bunch of tech to shut it all out ๐Ÿค”

dense shard
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People want exhaust noise, not road/wind noise.

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They want sports noises without the inconvenience that brings.

indigo coral
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well us people want exhaust noise

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people who get a 7er want silence

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and luxury

dense shard
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yep

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meanwhile my car is terminally mute.

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I get induction noise, but that's really about it.

indigo coral
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oh shit the Accord has ANC

civic spoke
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I want to replace the door rubber seal for my driver side door.

indigo coral
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i still need to order the parts for my brakes, car has been sitting for like a week now lol

civic spoke
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It was a bit torn when I bought it. So I get a bit of wind noise driving on the freeway. It probably happened when the previous owner opened the door when it was frozen stuck.

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I should do my brakes as well.

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Especially the parking brakes.

indigo coral
#

my front drivers side caliper locked up

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so we're going to do the two front calipers, pads and rotors all around

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~200$

civic spoke
#

I should check what the price is for me.

patent cosmos
civic spoke
#

That's a big fat nope for me.

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Would be easy enough to get the bulk of it off. But the paper residue would be pain.

indigo coral
#

and this is why you get a car with proper door handles

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instead of having a spot shit like that can happen

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or spiders crawling up in side

dense shard
#

yay

stoic ledge
median egret
#

@dense shard
I assembled tht one yesterday

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you too?

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I guess so, with the instruction booklet lying around

dense shard
#

yep

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Just wanna say. I hate stickers.

terse stone
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@patent cosmos what the fuck was that image

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if that happened to your car iโ€™d suggest power washing the door

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at a lower psi

stoic ledge
#

I'd suggest setting it on fire ๐Ÿ‘€

patent cosmos
#

That's just one of examples on how people find their cars after they were self isolating. Nature does not sit around ๐Ÿ˜ฑ @terse stone I didn't want to be the only one to be cursed with the knowledge that this is a possibility

terse stone
#

oof

modest hare
#

Hell yir. Monster garage is coming back in 2020. Hoping for a new game too.

mental magnet
#

Hey guys can someone tell me where is tow haul light is on the cluster it's a 2005 Ford excursion 6.0L powerstroke? Plz

fathom socket
#

It's a underrated sports car and some people want to damage it grr

dense shard
#

It's just a Genesis.

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Looks like normal wear and tear

fathom socket
#

Yeah :p

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It's a pretty fast one that can do 160mph to 180mph

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But I feel bad for a small damage

dense shard
#

I supposedly maxed out at 160.

fathom socket
#

Yeah

dense shard
#

I imagine it needed a very very long stretch of road to get there.

fathom socket
#

Did 120mph on the highway one time xd

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It was sketchy

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Damn it I wanted the whole car to have a nice silver paint now it has it's first scratch and dents on the bumper :/

dense shard
#

That's called wear and tear.

fathom socket
#

My Hyundai Tucson 2005 has no scratches at 410.433 miles :p

dense shard
#

look closer

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There's always a scratch to be found.

fathom socket
#

Rip

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Well I guess your right it's okay

#

It will buff out

dense shard
#

I already have a couple of rock chips at 6k.

fathom socket
#

:c

dense shard
#

part of life

vapid shadow
#

I just remembered the Mitsubishi eclipse cross exists my day is ruined

dense shard
#

Could be worse.

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Could be the Ford EcoSport

stoic ledge
#

EcoSport isn't that bad imho

dense shard
#

I'd rather buy the Eclipse Cross.

#

It isn't that bad, but there are much better choices to make.

stoic ledge
#

Eclipse Cross is bigger and more expensive ;)

dense shard
#

You can get the Eclipse Cross for less, an HR-V is better.

stoic ledge
#

๐Ÿ‘€

dense shard
#

A Nissan Kicks is a size down, but far nicer.

vapid shadow
#

Why did they have to call it the eclipse? It would be like ford making a SUV stealing the name from the mustang...

dense shard
#

you mean the Mustang Mach E?

vapid shadow
#

Yes

dense shard
#

Name recognition is a thing.

vapid shadow
#

That is true but they should have done a chevette/corvette type thing

dense shard
#

Mitsubishi doesn't have a Corvette nameplate to play on.

stoic ledge
#

Eclipse Cross is nearly twice as expensive as the EcoSport here KEKW

dense shard
#

damn

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Ecosport is only 2 grand cheaper starting in the US.

stoic ledge
#

โ‚ฌ22k vs โ‚ฌ38k

dense shard
#

~20 vs 23K

stoic ledge
dense shard
#

Before you start threatening them with going elsewhere.

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I'm sure Mitsubishi will go lower than Ford.

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And I'll take the built in Japan car over the built in India car any day of the week.

vapid shadow
#

I'd rather get a hatch, I really don't like the design language of SUV's

stoic ledge
#

Tbh I'd get an Outlander over the Eclipse Cross, base price 3k less and it's a PHEV

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Although I won't get a SUV, true xD

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Or CUV or whatever

dense shard
#

I mean... I ended up with a Toyota hatchback in the end.

vapid shadow
#

I have a venza now, so my broken Volvo is going to the scrap heap

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Hatchbacks are nice

dense shard
#

The Corolla is the on compact side of the segment.

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Which is fine for me.

stoic ledge
#

Mine is even more compact KEKW

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And a Venza is a CUV xD

dense shard
#

not this argument again.

vapid shadow
#

No, it's not it's not up on it's tippy toes like cuv's are. If you want to be specific, it's a Camry hatch

dense shard
#

According to reviewers and the EPA... it's a crossover.

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According to Toyota... it's a car/station wagon/not SUV.

stoic ledge
#

How would you classify the Lexus RX?

dense shard
#

Crossover.

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It's one of the OG crossovers.

stoic ledge
#

Well so so is the Venza, basically the same

dense shard
#

New one is.

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The older one... debatable.

indigo coral
#

yay for having an og crossover kekw

stoic ledge
#

Theย Toyota Venzaย is a five-passengerย mid-sizeย crossover SUVย 
Wikipedia ๐Ÿ™ƒ

vapid shadow
#

I talking about the 2013(my model)

dense shard
#

Keep reading MK.

stoic ledge
#

It's way too big for a hatchback

indigo coral
#

I have a (broken) '99 RX

dense shard
#

The bit where Toyota very much would like you to think it's just a Station Wagon.

stoic ledge
#

But the profile is no way near a wagon

vapid shadow
#

It's between a wagon and a hatch, too small for a hatch

dense shard
#

Profile is similar to a wagon tbh.

vapid shadow
#

Too big for a hatch

dense shard
#

A raised wagon for sure.

vapid shadow
#

Too small for a wagon

dense shard
#

But at what point does a raised wagon become a crossover?

indigo coral
#

Venza = 5 series GT KEKW KEKW KEKW

dense shard
#

OG Forester was a raised wagon... then it became a crossover after a point.

stoic ledge
#

It's a gray area, yes, but it's not a hatchback nor a wagon

dense shard
#

Venza is either a wagon or a crossover.

#

I get Toyota's point of view.

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But... it's kind of not a wagon. It's a bit too... uhhhhh tall.

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The seating position implies crossover or van.

stoic ledge
#

Since it's too short for a wagon, and tall, and related to the RX, I say it's a CUV

dense shard
#

You can have very short wagons.

indigo coral
#

is the GTC4 lusso a wagon ๐Ÿค”

dense shard
#

Hell the Civic Shuttle was a wagon. No longer than the Sedan I believe.

vapid shadow
#

Ehh, the too tall order can be solved by a pair of coilovers

dense shard
#

not really

vapid shadow
#

*argument

dense shard
#

The body shape is tall.

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Compare the RAV4 to a Corolla wagon.

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Venza takes more after the RAV4.

stoic ledge
#

Sure you can have shorter wagons, but just all proportions

indigo coral
vapid shadow
#

True, even if it is a CUV, it doesn't have the god-awful design language of one

indigo coral
#

g70 wagon when

dense shard
#

I'd argue that proportions don't help the case.

indigo coral
#

hey don't bag on the lexus rx Reeeeee

dense shard
#

Cause then we get into the raised wagon bullshit like the Audi Allroad or Mercedes whatever they call theirs.

stoic ledge
#

I agree it looks better than most CUV's, but it's still a CUV

indigo coral
#

lexus rx is linusPerfect

dense shard
#

Real question is... what is the Honda Crosstour... besides ahead of its time.

stoic ledge
#

Those raised wagons are also kinda debatable

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Honda Crosstour is just ugly

vapid shadow
#

Hideous

dense shard
#

I think it looks quite good in person.

stoic ledge
#

Never seen one

vapid shadow
#

No, no

dense shard
#

And remember. They did it first before BMW and Mercedes did it.

stoic ledge
#

But yeah I'd probably say it's a cross-over....

dense shard
#

And unlike the X6 and GLwhatever. The Accord doesn't look grotesque.

stoic ledge
#

X5 > X6, GLE > GLE Coupe...

dense shard
#

"coupe"

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I think we can all agree.

stoic ledge
#

Well they call it a Coupe

dense shard
#

Coupe means 2 doors.

indigo coral
#

oh that gle coupe is absolutely hideous

dense shard
#

You can bullshit the definition all you want, but coupes in popular culture mean 2 doors.

indigo coral
#

one of the only """coupe""" suvs that looks any good is the cayenne "coupe" (hardly any different from the normal cayenne)

dense shard
#

The Honda Crosstour (initially branded the Accord Crosstour) is a mid-size wagon manufactured by Japanese automaker Honda.

stoic ledge
#

Never

#

It is not

dense shard
#

The Crosstour was a competitor to the Toyota Venza, a wagon based upon the Accord's perennial competitor, the Camry. And like the Venza, which was meant to replace the Camry wagon, the Crosstour did the same to the Accord wagon.

stoic ledge
#

No

#

Bad

dense shard
#

I love wikipedia. lol

#

By this logic.

#

The Tesla S is a wagon.

dense shard
#

The Acura TSX wagon.

stoic ledge
#

Accord

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xD

indigo coral
#

the model s isn't a wagon, wym

dense shard
#

TSX in the US amusingly.

stoic ledge
#

(I know EU Accord == TSX)

dense shard
#

That's why Acura is failing.

#

They're literally just rebranded Hondas.

stoic ledge
#

Yeah

#

Although Accord is discontinued here

indigo coral
#

acura and infiniti are dying

#

somehow Lexus is still doing okay

stoic ledge
#

the model s isn't a wagon, wym

Probably because it has a large hatch + is long

indigo coral
#

its a medium size car

#

large hatch is nice tho

vapid shadow
#

Hold on. If a venza is a CUV because it's tall, what is the scion xb?

dense shard
#

A hatchback.

#

or rather just "compact car"

stoic ledge
#

xB is a hatchback yes

#

xD

dense shard
#

xD was the coupe?

#

oh sorry, that was the tC

stoic ledge
#

xD is a small CUV

#

tC is the coupe yeah

dense shard
#

xD was still a hatchback.

vapid shadow
#

Why does a venza being tall make it a CUV but not for the xb?

stoic ledge
#

Why does a venza being tall make it a CUV but not for the xb?
Raised ground clearance

dense shard
#

You step up into a Venza.

#

You don't step up into a xB.

indigo coral
#

shame Scion died

stoic ledge
#

shame Scion died
Just rebadged other market Toyota's (except tC)

dense shard
#

It lives on in the C-HR and Corolla HB.

vapid shadow
#

You step up into a Venza.
@dense shard
No? You don't

dense shard
#

The xB is a subcompact.

#

The Venza is much much taller than the previous Camry wagon.

stoic ledge
#

It's also taller than the same gen Camry itself

vapid shadow
#

So was the forester (gen 1+2) to the Impreza but they are both wagons

dense shard
#

Generally a wagon is literally just the sedan with a big ass.

#

Front end same as sedan, and stuff changes aft of the b-pillar.

stoic ledge
#

Generally a wagon is literally just the sedan with a big ass.
Or hatchback ๐Ÿ™ƒ

dense shard
#

The Venza and the Crosstour for that matter are all unique.

#

or hatchback. Tho those are sedan minus the ass.

stoic ledge
#

Basically yes

dense shard
#

But I digress. Same applies to hatchbacks.

vapid shadow
#

Doesn't make the crosstour any less ugly

dense shard
#

Not that bad looking.

vapid shadow
#

No, it looks like an accord got crossed with an Aztec with it's plastic everywhere

dense shard
#

I don't agree.

#

Subaru and GM had plastic cladding that looked pretty bad.

#

So does Audi.

stoic ledge
#

Look at how high up it wheels it is

dense shard
#

This... the plastic doesn't hold true tbh.

stoic ledge
#

Definitely a CUV

dense shard
#

The Crosstour DOES sit up much higher than the Accord.

#

And it was offered in AWD.

vapid shadow
#

I haven't seen one with painted plastic before. That looks possible

dense shard
#

Not possible, it was sold this way.

vapid shadow
#

Meant to say passible

stoic ledge
#

And it was offered in AWD.
Many CUVs are actually FWD KEKW

dense shard
#

Yes, but the AWD option does allow it to go minor off road duty.

#

Which is why a lot of people aren't willing to call the Nissan Kicks or the Toyota CH-R a crossover.

#

(even if both likely offer AWD in Japan.)

stoic ledge
#

For some reason the Kicks isn't in the EU KEKW

dense shard
#

Good cheap starter car.

stoic ledge
#

But we do have the Juke

#

Which is more expensive

dense shard
#

New Juke looks alright.

vapid shadow
#

Nissan juke was meant to replace the s chassis. I hate that car more than Richard Hammond does

stoic ledge
#

Good cheap starter car.
Imagine being able to privetly buy a new car KEKW Especially as a starter

dense shard
#

Common enough in the US.

#

I have a friend with one. They like it.

stoic ledge
#

Hell, people even claimed I was an idiot when I bought the Corsa (4 years old), the car was waaaay to expensive (and I was certain to wreck it).

indigo coral
#

Oof

#

people thought I was stupid for buying the free RX too E_Poggers

dense shard
#

well idiocy or not... you haven't wrecked it?

vapid shadow
#

The kicks almost looks like a Peugeot to me

dense shard
#

It's vaguely based on a Renault I imagine.

stoic ledge
#

well idiocy or not... you haven't wrecked it?
No I haven't, somebody did drive in the back on a roundabout

vapid shadow
#

Dream car of mine Renault Fuego Turbo

dense shard
#

Well there's your idiot right there, MK.

#

That somebody who drove into you.

#

I swear I can English.

stoic ledge
#

It's vaguely based on a Renault I imagine.
Kinda yeah, Micra platform, same as Renault Clio, same as Renault Captur (Clio CUV)

dense shard
#

and the Versa.

stoic ledge
#

Well there's your idiot right there, MK.
Well i didn't KEKW And that guy would have crashed in to me even if I didn't have a too expensive Corsa xD

#

and the Versa.
Versa == Micra Sedan, yes

dense shard
#

I looked at the new Versa.

#

It's aight.

stoic ledge
#

Well i didn't KEKW And that guy would have crashed in to me even if I didn't have a too expensive Corsa xD
Want to see dashcam video?

#

It's nothing special

dense shard
#

It's a car.

#

lol

stoic ledge
#

Just me honking + BAM

dense shard
#

oof

agile iris
#

Different definitions of horrible

vapid shadow
#

Riveting

dense shard
#

ah you had to yield for the scooter?

#

Horrible is the mirage.

stoic ledge
dense shard
#

The new Versa is acceptable.

#

Honestly you'll be hard pressed to find something actually "horrible" on sale in the US market.

agile iris
#

If you're not proud to drive it then it's just a tool imo

stoic ledge
#

ah you had to yield for the scooter?
No, the scooter didn't have right of way, but still took it... To avoid crashing in to it, I had to brake, which resulted in the Mercedes from the right crashing in to me

dense shard
#

95% of people buy cars as a tool.

agile iris
#

And that's fine, but then a car is a car so buy cheap, efficient and reliable

dense shard
#

Be it a Mercedes or a Nissan.

#

And the other 4% that claim to care never buy new anyway.

agile iris
#

But you don't buy a Merc purely as a tool

stoic ledge
#

Not but the owner is one

dense shard
#

heyo

#

Most Mercedes drivers don't buy. They lease.

#

Imagine not even owning a car.

vapid shadow
agile iris
#

I don't think that's a thing here

vapid shadow
#

There it is

dense shard
#

It's super common in the US.

#

Also nice color.

stoic ledge
#

Nice color indeed

#

@indigo coral kinda resembles your RX, no?

agile iris
#

Haven't spoken to anyone that leases, people finance because then you have a car at the end, good for another 20 years or so

#

Am in the OZ

vapid shadow
#

I thought if I was gonna be boring I'd get a good color

dense shard
#

People have taken luxury car makers to court because they're not accepting lease returns right now unless the customer signs a new lease.

stoic ledge
#

Nearly every new car is a lease here (company car) or bought by old retired people

dense shard
#

Leasing is super common in the US.

agile iris
#

That's sad man

dense shard
#

Most people don't care about cars.

vapid shadow
#

Bought my car fresh off a lease

stoic ledge
#

Cars are bought purely on tax incentives KEKW

agile iris
#

Yeah, but if you do, may as well buy something pretty and interesting

dense shard
#

A person won't buy a Mercedes because it is good. People buy it because they want the status that goes with a badge.

agile iris
#

No Nissan Versa

dense shard
#

I got a Corolla.

agile iris
#

Hmmmmmmmm

dense shard
#

Pretty and interesting.

vapid shadow
#

Which Corolla?

stoic ledge
dense shard
#

Not the Opel one for sure.

agile iris
#

Seeeeee

stoic ledge
#

The only good Corolla color combination

vapid shadow
#

Those look cool, I'd like one

dense shard
#

Gotta have that green on white.

stoic ledge
#

Europe doesn't get the light interior

dense shard
#

That's lame.

vapid shadow
#

Lucky no front plate

dense shard
#

But Europe does get the 2.0 Hybrid.

stoic ledge
#

Yeah

dense shard
#

Yeah we're blessed down here in the South. No plates is good shit.

agile iris
#

Not the fastest or coolest car in the world but they're efficient and reliable and they actually made some effort to make a modern and interesting design

dense shard
#

And you drive?

indigo coral
#

you have a Mi Mix 3?

vapid shadow
#

Yes

indigo coral
#

luckkyyyy

#

I want one XD

agile iris
#

I've got a 2017 WRX

stoic ledge
#

Buy it

indigo coral
#

the slide mechanism seems so satisfying

stoic ledge
#

Pls no CVT WRX

dense shard
#

Yeah looked at a WRX.

#

Decided it wasn't for me.

agile iris
#

Pretty boiler plate 'I bought a modern sports car'

dense shard
#

I wanted something a bit more... luxurious.

vapid shadow
#

It's good, they are cheap now

agile iris
#

It's a manual

indigo coral
#

i have a 7T Pro 5G McLaren right now upsidedown_cry

dense shard
#

And durable down the road.

vapid shadow
#

Wanna trade?

#

Lol

indigo coral
#

Lol

stoic ledge
#

Good a manual

indigo coral
#

I would get one just to play with it

agile iris
#

Yeah, 30,000kms for 10k below brand new price

indigo coral
#

slide back and forth xD

stoic ledge
#

Manuals are superior, Am I right falcon

indigo coral
#

nop

#

ZF 8HP > manual

dense shard
#

Not anymore sadly/happily.

vapid shadow
#

I'd like a manual car

agile iris
#

I feel, new motors seem reliable so far tbh, but I'll be changing rods and pistons at some point anyway so I'm not stressing too much about it doing 200k unopened

dense shard
#

Rumors are pretty serious carbon build up.

#

Since the new WRX hasn't gotten the dual injection system.

magic arrow
#

the legend is back!

agile iris
#

Upper engine cleaner works fine

stoic ledge
dense shard
#

Did your dog even fit in the trunk?

#

I cannot imagine a lab fitting in a Supra trunk.

#

I must watch this video now.

stoic ledge
#

Already seen your Supra video GWseremePeepoGGERS

dense shard
#

and I should edit and upload a new video myself.

#

I have only one issue with my Corolla.

#

Horrific buffeting with the rear windows down.

stoic ledge
#

๐Ÿ‘€

dense shard
#

Like... there's this weird pressure wave that just destroys me each time I try.

stoic ledge
#

My rear windows can't even open, so mines perfect there KEKW

dense shard
#

lol

agile iris
#

As in just the rear windows?

dense shard
#

yes

vapid shadow
#

My sister's Malibu has the same buffeting issue

agile iris
#

Yeah I've never had sedan that didn't do that, but I very rarely need to just open the rear windows

dense shard
#

downside of modern car design.

vapid shadow
#

The supra is pretty

#

New one

dense shard
#

Apparently the Supra also has buffeting.

agile iris
#

I was excited that they were coming out as I was buying a new car, then I saw the price

#

Ooof

vapid shadow
#

What do we think of the wing on the rocket bunny wide body (might be the other brand I'm not sure)

dense shard
#

Price is pretty on point for what to expect out of the new Supra.

agile iris
#

It's not unreasonable

stoic ledge
#

Only โ‚ฌ84k KEKW

agile iris
#

Higher than I expected for a toyota branded car that isn't a landy, and with less utility

stoic ledge
#

Iirc it's actually even cheaper than the Mk4 when you factor in inflation

dense shard
#

Sports cars aren't mean to be utilitarian.

agile iris
#

Cars can be both, but yeah

vapid shadow
#

Forester sti

dense shard
#

Compromised then.

fathom socket
stoic ledge
#

Idk ask the manufacturer xD

fathom socket
#

6 speed ๐Ÿ‘€

vapid shadow
#

How about the AMG minivan

dense shard
#

we had that

#

R63 AMG

stoic ledge
#

R AMG?

vapid shadow
#

How was it?

dense shard
#

It was a mercedes minivan.

stoic ledge
#

Very fancy minivan tho

agile iris
#

If I wanted to carry stuff I'd buy a ute, if I wanted to carry people I'd buy a forester

stoic ledge
#

Or a Ford S-Max, had the 2.5 5-cyl Volvo Turbo GWseremePeepoGGERS

agile iris
#

But I'm a little salty on opel following the most recent commodore

vapid shadow
#

Or a V70R

stoic ledge
#

But I'm a little salty on opel following the most recent commodore
Don't be salty on Opel, be salty at GM :)

dense shard
#

GM damn near killed every division they had... or did.

agile iris
#

That too, owning an early V6 commodore killed my faith in the idea of a parts bin car

vapid shadow
#

You know what they say about general motors Europe, their the general motors of europe

stoic ledge
#

GM damn near killed every division they had... or did.
Opel loosing money for Europe 20 years long, under PSA back at Profit within 1.5 year ๐Ÿ˜‚

dense shard
#

They've more or less left Europe after they sold Opel.

stoic ledge
#

There are no GM cars sold officially in Europe now

dense shard
#

not even Cadillac?

vapid shadow
#

Good, one loss continent that has to deal with that God awful company

dense shard
#

Speaking of which. US is 100% getting a spicy Toyota hatchback.

#

Likely gonna be the Corolla GR.

stoic ledge
#

not even Cadillac?
I don't think so, let me check

agile iris
#

Holden was their road in here and it's looking like they'll be phasing out completely over the next few years

stoic ledge
#

Cadillac Hasn't registered any car this year or last year, so I don't think so

dense shard
#

Currently (2020), General Motors's European operations are conducted by Cadillac Europe GmbH

#

So basically luxury or Corvette.

agile iris
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Have prices for GM cars gone up by 30%?

dense shard
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In the US?

agile iris
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Nah, Europe

dense shard
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Modern American car-errrr trucks aren't cheap.

agile iris
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When they announced Holden was packing in all of them got more expensive overnight

stoic ledge
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Cadillac website is still a thing, but they haven't sold any in ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

dense shard
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yay dealer markup

indigo coral
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Theres an R63 that lives in my town

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one of like 39 in the whole US

vapid shadow
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See, even if you are high(I mean Dutch) they aren't good

dense shard
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an MPV Mercedes has never been very popular.

stoic ledge
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Don't think any GM Opel is still sold in Europe besides the Insignia, but GM actual has to pay Opel to sell those as a Buick/Holden so GM is discontinued them/will to (Opel will still sell it)

dense shard
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Didn't help it was kind of not as good as a Honda or Toyota.

stoic ledge
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Lol never been high in my life

agile iris
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Haven't checked dealers actually, just mean second hand, now that they definitely definitely won't be making more supercharged 6.2L luxury sedans

indigo coral
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yeah but it sounds good

dense shard
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second hand, lol

indigo coral
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And a 500hp minivan is cool

vapid shadow
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You just naturally are if you are Dutch

dense shard
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"i know what I got, no low ballers"

stoic ledge
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๐Ÿค”

indigo coral
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Ran when parked

dense shard
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I mean... if we're going by stereotypes.

vapid shadow
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Don't waste my time

stoic ledge
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3 years ago

dense shard
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How many drunken fist fights have you had

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This applies to the US and Australia.

stoic ledge
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Me? 0, I'm fun when I'm tipsy

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Ah

dense shard
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Oh no, you need to be high MK.

stoic ledge
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Falcon definitely

dense shard
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pfffft

stoic ledge
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High + drunk KEKW

indigo coral
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yes, my overweight short ass is gonna fistfight someone

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Lol

stoic ledge
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uses judo skillz

dense shard
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Wait... isn't Falcon in a state where weed is legal? ๐Ÿค”

vapid shadow
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Since I'm from Illinois I need to sell a Senate seat

stoic ledge
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Idk what states are

vapid shadow
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It's legal where I am

indigo coral
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yes its legal here

stoic ledge
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Oof

indigo coral
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we were one of the two inital states to legalize it

agile iris
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Cool Dad states

stoic ledge
dense shard
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I should mod my car.

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Get one of those really really expensive bride shift boots.

agile iris
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Some stickers

dense shard
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I mean I could be ultra pretentious and get a save the manuals sticker.

stoic ledge
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I did mod mine 2 weeks ago

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Added cruise control

dense shard
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oh snap

stoic ledge
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Only took me 4 years

dense shard
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That's useful.

agile iris
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Come do that to my jeep

stoic ledge
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Lol

agile iris
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Good old Jeep electronics

stoic ledge
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I did it on mine since it was basically plug and play

vapid shadow
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Carbon fiber print shift boot

dense shard
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Now retrofit radar cruise control.

stoic ledge
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Lol ACC wasn't available on a 2012 cheap economy car xD

agile iris
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So fly by wire car with the modules and stuff just not plugged in?

stoic ledge
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Opel decided it could not be done on a 2012 Bi-Fuel

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But it's basically possible on every Corsa, every engine

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Only depends on the preparation, you need an extra wire from the steering column to the Body Control Module and a clutch switch (mine had both, but you can also add both)

dense shard
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okay that's one of the cooler things I've found.

agile iris
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Because it was just so powerful that they couldn't develop a program delicate enough not to accelerate to 150 when it goes uphill

dense shard
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I can shift my car while on cruise control.

stoic ledge
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The thing was, cruise control always came with fuel consumption meter etc, which isn't possible on the Bi-Fuel version so they decided it couldn't be done KEKW

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Because it was just so powerful that they couldn't develop a program delicate enough not to accelerate to 150 when it goes uphill
KEKW

agile iris
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Strange stipulation to require

stoic ledge
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I can shift my car while on cruise control.
That's on most modern cars, no? My parents Meriva does that too (2012 as well)

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Mine doesn't since the platform is from 2006

dense shard
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My old contour did not. It would drop out of cruise control if I pushed the clutch in.

agile iris
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My WRX legitimately will speed up like 5km/h up a hill because it uses more throttle to regain speed and then when boost hits it's too slow to back off

dense shard
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... Sounds like lazy Subaru programming.

agile iris
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Yeah my car cuts cruise when I touch the clutch

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Yeah it is

stoic ledge
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The thing was, If the trim did come with cruise control as standard (it was optional on my trim), they did deliver it with cruise control and they did remove the fuel consumption meter LOL

dense shard
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"Should we account for boost... naaaaahhhhhh"

agile iris
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Well they even sell overboost as a feature

stoic ledge
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BOOST

dense shard
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What will die first. The EJ25 or the Queen of England?

agile iris
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But it was explained to me that the boost controller is basically inadequite and will just allow the boost creep

dense shard
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They're both about the same age.

agile iris
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Talks of FA24 in the next STI

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Wouldn't doubt

dense shard
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Which is coming when?

agile iris
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Late this year apparently

dense shard
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Cause I've been hearing of a new WRX next year for years.

agile iris
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That fair

dense shard
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And it damn well better not be a refresh like the last one wash.

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Or the one before that.

agile iris
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They did make a lot of small changes that were helpful, but yeah no new model

dense shard
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That's kind of why I passed over the WRX in my car search. That and price.

agile iris
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I get ya, like I said I bought second hand and basically got 25% off the brand new price

dense shard
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I was looking at new.

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Boiled down to Mazda 3, Honda Civic, or Toyota Corolla.

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Mazda 3 was... blah.

agile iris
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You do you man, I don't personally see the value in a brand new vs 2 year old car

dense shard
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Because the new Corolla was only a few months old at the time.

agile iris
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Civic would have been my second choice

dense shard
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And I'd have spent 20k vs. 23k.

stoic ledge
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We never bought a brand new car ever