No clue. Once again ask Honda.
#cars
dense shard
civic girder
With an analog throttle, you're directly connecting the throttle plates to your foot.
dense shard
I'd guess the car can adapt faster with the ECU to your throttle inputs.
civic girder
Yea, idk. Sounds pretty sketch to me
dense shard
Or in this case.
indigo coral
throttle by wire isn't bad
steer/brake by wire is
some cars have literally no connection from the steering wheel to the wheels
dense shard
You can have the throttle programmed to open the intake faster than analog could.
civic girder
I'm not saying drive by wire is bad, I'm just saying that response sucks dick
dense shard
I've had no issues in the cars I've driven.
civic girder
I'm not sure how you could open the throttle plates any faster than by cable
dense shard
Program the opening in relation to speed the pedal is depressed.
indigo coral
its less opening the actual throttle and more about everything else
dense shard
Think of it as mouse acceleration.
civic girder
I guess
dense shard
Sport modes for example will sharpen throttle response.
civic girder
that's the only way I could really see it being about equal
normal temple
CABLE OPERATED THROTLLE GANG
dense shard
A sensor and an actuator.
civic girder
analog is a singular cable that could go bad
dense shard
2 if you have cruise control.
civic girder
in electronic: there's a motor, sensor, and computer that could all break
indigo coral
throttle by wire isn't that complicated
i wish i could tighten my pedal
but i can't
normal temple
yell at it
dense shard
ECUs can break, but I don't think that just happens.
Toyota had their magical exploding throttles that totally had nothing to do with drivers being bad at what they do.
civic girder
The chances are low yea, but its still a point of failure
dense shard
You can have a failure with analog though.
indigo coral
i wonder if it is possible to make it have less play
dense shard
Cables stretch and snap.
indigo coral
nothing is perfectly reliable
dense shard
I googled it to check failure rates on the e-throttles.
indigo coral
imperfect reliability isn't a reason to can a technology anyways
dense shard
... "Ford electronic throttle body failures"
indigo coral
if we did that we'd never get anywhere
civic girder
but if your throttle stops working in an analog system, you know what broke. In an electric throttle, there's more variables to check. It takes more time troubleshooting than repairing
civic girder
The code might not be specific enough
it could say "throttle issue" or something
but you still have no idea if its the actuator or the sensor
dense shard
The newer the car, the more specific the issue. Or so I hear.
civic girder
That would make sense, but I wouldn't count on it
normal temple
I don't get what you guys are arguing about
civic girder
Dodge is using 4 speed autos from god knows when
indigo coral
they finally stopped
normal temple
My 31 year old throttle cable still works fine
civic girder
Same
dense shard
And for some people they break.
normal temple
unfortunate
dense shard
Airbus has been using fly by wire for decades with no issues.
normal temple
Airplanes and cars are two entirely different things
dense shard
I mean we can pull anecdotes out of the thin air or our asses for hours on end.
The concepts of having an analog path to the controls remains the same.
It's just automakers seem more competent about doing their software.
Tesla excluded. :p
civic girder
Are we arguing?
dense shard
ikr
indigo coral
they have good software
civic girder
I thought we were discussing the pros and cons of analog vs electronic throttle
indigo coral
I'm confused
dense shard
There are pros and cons to both.
civic girder
yea
dense shard
But I'm not gonna lament the death or life of either.
It's something I've adapted to.
I've had issues with neither over the years.
civic girder
Yea, realistically I'm very similar in that sense.
normal temple
I much prefer the feeling of the throttle cable yes
dense shard
Now if you do want an argument.
civic girder
I've not encountered faults in either.
dense shard
... wait BMW did bottom mount throttles in the E30?
normal temple
yes
dense shard
oh whew. My joke holds water.
civic girder
But god damn, do I hate the shitty response that you can get if you tune your drive by wire like an idiot
normal temple
floor mounted pedals are good
dense shard
I'd have felt so dumb otherwise... well dumber than usual.
normal temple
There's never been a non floor mounted pedal in BMWs nowadays
civic girder
Floor mount is cool, but yields no real benefit whatsoever
normal temple
I prefer how it pivots
dense shard
There is a feel to it.
civic girder
Yea, which feel is subjective lol
in terms of ability, both are equal. Its all preference
dense shard
I lean towards top mount. It suits my driving style more.
normal temple
I'm not a "toe on the gas pedal" guy
I put my whole foot on the pedal
So I prefer floor mounted
civic girder
I have yet to drive a floor mount car, but that sounds up my alley
dense shard
Most of the time at any rate.
normal temple
yeah, that's definitely not me
dense shard
If I'm givin' 'er the beans. Hell yeah I use my whole foot.
Not sure how else to describe it.
civic girder
I use my whole foot all the time
indigo coral
i dont even know how i do
civic girder
that would be more natural
indigo coral
ive never given it much thought
civic girder
I just shift my whole foot
I started doing that recently, due to the RX-7
I used to pivot from the throttle and operate the brakes with the tips of my toes
but I downshift in the 7, and I don't heel toe since I physically can't
normal temple
I shift my whole foot π€·ββοΈ
civic girder
yea
civic girder
heel toe in the 7 is also awkward cause I think the pedal is a little loose
dense shard
oh that being said.
normal temple
replace them bushings
dense shard
When I drive an automatic. I'll move my whole foot.
civic girder
but also because my legs are too long and my knee hits the wheel so I can't get a good placement on the brakes in relation to the throttle to get a good blip
dense shard
Especially the Rogue. That car needs throttle to get moving.
civic girder
idk, but I've basically given up on trying to heel toe
civic girder
I adapted to get off brake, blip, back on brakes
dense shard
I... I have auto rev match.
normal temple
DOUBLE CLUTCH TIME
civic girder
laaaaaaame
dense shard
I rarely use it tbh.
civic girder
good
civic girder
auto rev match is waaay too hand holdy for me
dense shard
It's convenient in stop and go traffic.
civic girder
yea, I rev match but don't heel toe lol
dense shard
It rev matches on up and down shifts.
civic girder
yikes, even on up shift
dense shard
If it gets more people into manuals, I'm not gonna diss the system.
And even I have my off days. So it's nice to be lazy sometimes.
civic girder
Yea, fair enough
Sometimes I fuck up my shifts in the RX-7
never downshifts tho, oddly enough
dense shard
same I think
civic girder
probably because I scared myself into submission when I had a major fuck up on a downshift once
when I was still learning
I can't remember exactly what I did
civic girder
but I think it was something along the lines of waaaaay too much rpm on the blip
so the engine had to drop a ton of rpms real fast
stoic ledge
OOF yikes
My dad once accelerating on to the highway went 4 -> 3 instead of 4 -> 5, revs went high AF 
normal temple
Speed
fair bronze
RIP engine
primal kelp
heβs dead, jim
civic spoke
Have you tried rolling him over?
jagged coyote
Got this do deal with the sap
dense shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5iYaVn4YYY What a riveting story. Unlock your car from a world away.
night ruin
Anyone know what car this is?
normal temple
Volvo XC40
civic girder
definitely Volvo
night ruin
Thank you, it's the XC40
dense shard
nice looking car
dense shard
It's European quality tho.
dense shard
Theoretically I can buy an engine cover from a Lexus UX, and put it on my car.
Practically speaking... I'm not spending 230 dollars on a piece of plastic.
indigo coral
lol
dense shard
Actually... it might not even fit.
I love how all these new crossovers are just a big body kit on top of the pedestrian hatchback/sedan.
civic girder
Or the CX-30 which is just a lifted a Mazda 3 with plastic trim
dense shard
yep
indigo coral
yay for lifted sedans looks at my RX
dense shard
Weird to see how you can actually see the Mazda 3 engine bay hidden in the CX-30 body.
civic girder
yep
dense shard
civic spoke
The Model Y is probably a great all-round car. But just like the model 3. I don't like it.
civic girder
Its also probably not going to be worth it, just like the Model 3
civic spoke
Likely a better vehicle than the Model 3. Since it has a hatch, and not a sedan boot.
dense shard
Better paint tho.
stoic ledge
Would be bad if it was worse
About the XC40: I'd rather get a V60 tbh, more upscale car for the same price
dense shard
agreed
stoic ledge
Oof base XC40 is a T2, 129hp 6spd manual
I do like you can get it with a orange carpets and doorpanels
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/76/b4/36/76b436aaa27c25dae9993b9087a298de.jpg
Also:
It's European quality tho.
US one is built in China tho
civic spoke
Many American cars aren't even built in America these days.
stoic ledge
True
normal temple
LEDs are a great thing
normal temple
I want to see at night, so LEDs it is
civic spoke
Just gotta get something with warmer temperatures. Something like 2,600-3000K or something.
sterile holly
dense shard
@stoic ledge Actually some of the Volvos we get in the US are build in the states.
Those are apparently mainly the larger cars from what I can tell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8A_Hu_WqeQ Also this is kind of amusing.
Japan is all about the regulations.
civic spoke
I love Kei cars.
stoic ledge
@dense shard only the S60, no?
XC40 is Belgium, China and Malaysia iirc
US XC40 is China
stoic ledge
https://www.volvocars.com/us/about-volvo/our-story/south-carolina-factory
XC90 in the future
dense shard
I do wonder how the XC40 gets into the US without the chicken tax.
stoic ledge
Some people say they see a difference in the S60 and V60 in build quality, it's probably BS
Is the chicken tax with specific countries or every country expect domestic?
dense shard
It's every country but domestic. Domestic being NAFTA.
So you can still get away with building your trucks in Mexico and Canada.
civic spoke
There's a S60L model? 
dense shard
yes
civic spoke
I guess that's neat.
dense shard
China spec
That being said everyone has found workarounds for the chicken tax.
Ford and FCA have imported cargo vans as passenger cars and converted them.
No clue what GM did to avoid the tax with the Buicks.
stoic ledge
Volvo Ghent only XC40 according to Wikipedia, I thought they also made the V60 there
And yeah, lots af saloons have special LWB versions for China. S60L, S90L, Passat L, A4L, A6L, 3er L, 5er L, Mercedes C/E....
civic spoke
The XC40 is kind of stupid.
stoic ledge
I think it's kinda cool but I'd just get an V60
civic spoke
Wagons is love.
dense shard
Amusingly. There are long wheel base versions of the Mercedes S-class.
But the US only gets the long wheel base.
We don't want no short car.
civic spoke
China probably also gets it?
dense shard
I imagine so
stoic ledge
Everybody gets the LWB one
civic spoke
Doesn't USA only have the Audi A8L, and not the normal short wheelbase one?
dense shard
I'd have to check.
stoic ledge
SWB is Europe only probably
dense shard
But that makes sense.
stoic ledge
We can get the A8, S and 7er as SWB and LWB
civic spoke
I wonder how the new 3 series drives like.
stoic ledge
Good probably
civic spoke
I'd honestly want a fairly basic one. As long as I could get it with a stick.
stoic ledge
No stick gas π’
indigo coral
I've heard the G70 outperforms the 3 series
civic spoke
Apparently only available as the 318d version.
dense shard
yeah
civic spoke
Heard real good stuff about the G70.
dense shard
Mainly because the diesels are carry overs from the previous generation.
indigo coral
I'ma buy one once I can
civic spoke
If I were going for a gas engine, then I would want either the 3 or 6 cylinder ones.
The G20 3 series is actually really nice looking.
dense shard
3 cylinder engines belong in small cars.
A 3 series BMW should have a 4 banger at the very least.
civic spoke
I'd be down with a 2 series with the 3 cylinder.
dense shard
Perhaps? The price of BMWs really does require 4 cylinders in my mind.
stoic ledge
K pls donte 6588855β¬
indigo coral
M5 w/ V10 was good
indigo coral
stoic ledge
Base 330i Touring is β¬56k, I'd probably get a V60 T8 at that price thb
civic spoke
Sucks that you need the 340i to get the 6 cylinder.
dense shard
BMW owners have largely quieted down on the superiority of the inline 6 since BMW moved away from em.
civic spoke
Starting price of 650,000 kr here.
Probably because you barely can get it anymore.
The E class has an interesting engine setup as well.
You can get the E450e with the inline 6, with a 48V mild hybrid system.
The hybrid system is running on the crank or something, if I remember it right. Meaning that the hybrid system acts as the starter.
stoic ledge
That's a Mild hybrid for you, yes
That's why most Volvo's are now B-something when not PHEV (V60 B3 = gas + mild hybrid)
VW has a 1.5 TSIe, all Audi A8 are Mild Hybrid, the Suzuki Swift/Baleno/Ignis 1.2 Hybrid (not really s hybrid, but they call it that) etc
Al 48V + starter as booster
dense shard
Starts are electric motors.
Upgrade em and you can pretty much use em as a torque booster.
Or in the case of US based stuff. Replace the alternator with a generator/motor.
dense shard
Supposedly it does work. Even in the real world.
stoic ledge
Yeah
Maybe I'll get my parents a PHEV as their next car, it'd work for them
Daily commutes to work, groceries, family visits etc can all be done in EV mode. Longer trips can be done if needed on gas
Now they're getting more usable range, they get more interesting
Old ones with like 10 miles of range were useless
dense shard
Get a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. 
dense shard
oof
No one wants to admit Mitsubishi did it first, and actually did a pretty damn good job of it.
stoic ledge
They actually sold very well here*
* as a company car, since they could drive them for free
Now, used, they're too heavy, can't really go anywhere on EV mode and are just too expensive
They were the first/one of the first .. but you notice it
dense shard
And still competitive.
22 miles of EV range.
That's about on par with the Prius Prime.
And it outlived the GM PHEV.
The Koreans might have a better plug-in? But much smaller.
And in the US they're still pretty budget. There's a reason Mitsubishi sales are up, and Mazda is down.
stoic ledge
The 2013 had no way near 22 miles
Basically 10 miles
After that, it was just a gas guzzler
stoic ledge
Nope, it wasn't
dense shard
oh... the Outlander PHEV has the same engine the EvoX did.
4B11... soooo... hmmm... The Outlander PHEV is an EvoX.
logic!
stoic ledge
Peugeot 3008/5008 or Opel Grandland X Hybrid4 have 30 miles of EV range
dense shard
So despite a decade newer car... it only gets 8 miles more of range.
stoic ledge
Doesn't the Outlander have a 2.4? Don't think the Evo had a 2.4
stoic ledge
Ah the EU PHEV had a 2.4
dense shard
π€
dense shard
Non-hybrid still has that 2.4.
It wasn't great back in 06... but now it's just... it just exists.
civic spoke
I know the Bimmers have PHEV's as well.
dense shard
The 2.4 is a far more reliable engine than anyone has any right to claim.
stoic ledge
Non PHEV Outlanders are 2.0 here
dense shard
2.4 in the US.
dense shard
weird
stoic ledge
Ok so the gas Outlander is literally more expensive than the PHEV
In π³π±
Starting at β¬35.990, not a bad deal tbh
dense shard
I love the differences between markets.
stoic ledge
I don't ||hides behind taxes||
dense shard
Still interesting to see the differences.
stoic ledge
Many European brands are now getting in to PHEVs since the average emissions per car should be under 90g/km
And where even the smallest city car produces more, PHEV s are the answer
Basically it's all just enough to comply with the regulations
Oof really, for 36k it's not a bad deal, the Outlander PHEV π Yet I see 0 on the road
dense shard
Because they're still not the greatest cars on the road.
And I imagine that tax on displacement hurts.
stoic ledge
Probably, yes
Toyota sells twice as many Rav4 hybrids apparently in π³π±
Which is significantly more expensive iirc
dense shard
newer car, and past 40km gets much better fuel economy.
Only 40km of range isn't great when you drive 45km.
stoic ledge
Starts at 45k
dense shard
It's enough for one day of commuting in the US... maybe.
stoic ledge
9k difference
dense shard
wow... that's quite a price difference.
stoic ledge
Idk if I can charge it at home or at work, tbh I'm fine with 30 miles of range
And the RAV4 isn't even a PHEV
civic spoke
Ugh. Issue that I am having right now. Is that I sort of want a newer car, but I 1. Can't afford it. And 2. Don't really need a new car.
But having something like a new 3 series would be nice.
And you get spoiled by having a car with decent built quality.
Compared to more affordable options.
stoic ledge
My grandparents have a Sandero
Their second one actually
Tbh: not as bad as you expect
dense shard
In this day and age.
I expect a Toyota to have as good build quality as BMW.
There's no excuse for poor fit and finish.
stoic ledge
Not fit & finish, but used materials etc
dense shard
Material quality is up in the air, yeah.
dense shard
Sure, but the assembly should be more or less on par.
Material quality... ergh yeah.
I'm wondering if I can 3D print some nicer door handles. lol
dense shard
It's really cheap plastic.
stoic ledge
Oof
dense shard
Like it's fine until you actually notice it.
It's not that bad tbh... but I think it could be better.
dense shard
lol
And once you notice it... hard to look away. Especially since everything else is quite nice... then again.
It IS a Corolla. What did I expect?
stoic ledge
Idk my Corsa doorhandles are nice xD
indigo coral
looks nicer than the ones on my car
stoic ledge
dense shard
Older Honda Accords are really nice... Metal I think.
civic spoke
There is a huge difference between plastic and plastic in cars.
Along with the use of soft-touch zones.
stoic ledge
https://bparts-eu.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/ftp/azor_2/000/000/153/000000153484.jpeg
Can't seem to find a pic of it, so this will have to do
dense shard
that looks good.
stoic ledge
Plastics in cars can even differ on trim levels
Yeah the door handle feels solid too
civic spoke
The indicator stalk in the E46 is second to none.
stoic ledge
And for such an inexpensive cars, even the armrests are padded and part of the door is upholsterd
You don't need an indicator on a BMW
dense shard
A feature common in older cars.
Is now a special.
"We have an armrest, AND our door has some padding on it."
"praise us"
In the US. The armrest is an option on Hondas.
civic spoke
Doors where the windows are low enough for you to rest your arm on.
civic spoke
Most doors have so much smaller windows these days.
Because of safety stuff.
Don't want you to get t-boned to death
stoic ledge
"We have an armrest, AND our door has some padding on it."
That's what makes my car a luxury car: it has it too
Other parts of the door cards are just hard plastics tho
dense shard
... my car is luxury!
Unless you sit in the back. the armrest is padded, but the top of the door is hard plastic.
stoic ledge
And the window is low enough to rest my arm on π
https://tweakers.net/i/0kz8s5iMmCPkoTcFAQPviEBBoH0=/f/image/2y2F6J4ZEoYVx8aooYic0dpa.jpg
Only pic I can find of it atm
Center Armrest is aftermarket btw, they didn't offer one from the factory
Although it's an official dealer accessory
civic spoke
What my armrest looks like.
civic spoke
Just chop off your arm.
stoic ledge
Yeah most armrests are like that
civic spoke
The one my father had in his old Audi A4 could be placed in different heights, and moved front/back.
stoic ledge
civic spoke
Don't you love the phone cradle in my car? xD
stoic ledge
Different heights is often changing the angle, that quite sucks imho
Tbh I'd quite want a phone cradle It's kinda cool xD
civic spoke
I want to see if I can reuse the one that I currently have in place.
And just throw on something that holds a modern smartphone.
Possibly with charging as well.
civic spoke
My car doesn't have rear cup holders.
Only the two cup holders in the front. That's it.
stoic ledge
I have 2 in the front center, 1 in each door, and 1 on each side in the rear Should actually have another one where the armrest is now
So 6/7 isn't bad
stoic ledge
Yikes
Too shallow?
Oof I just remember I even have one in the glovebox
Best location
Also: the hinge of the glovebox has a shark xD
civic spoke
Under the radio are two cup holders. Terrible ones.
And then where the gear lever is is another one.
But that's huge, because it's literally just a holder-thing to cover up where the gear lever is for the manual transmission.
stoic ledge
OOF
civic spoke
Litearlly holds a 1.5 liter bottle in that one.
stoic ledge
Also: how useful are the center airvents lol
civic spoke
They are alright. Haven't been driving too much in scalding temps.
I have used the center vents to heat up gorby's.
stoic ledge
Gorby's?
stoic ledge
Oof nice xD
civic spoke
One of the crap foods that I eat when I don't have much other choice.
When I know that I can't stop at a proper place to eat.
Or if I haven't made something to eat before.
civic spoke
I don't have one.
stoic ledge
civic spoke
There you can see the other cup holder.
Where the gear lever was in the other picture
flint sable
Seeing sunlight for the first time in many years
dense shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m4UxbDgGhc Still automotive.
Okay... auto shops in Japan are quite nice.
"Why this job"
"Cars are nice"
ah yeah. "shift starts at 9, but this guy has to come in even earlier for the morning exercise and meetings"
That I actually remember. It's something I'll probably miss in the future.
dense shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jIeSgq7ewI Also this is awesome.
indigo coral
π€ Nissan + CVT = bad news
civic girder
too bad it'll break instantly
dense shard
who knows
jagged wagon
Why do we think it will break instantly? Like, don't get me wrong - I'm skeptical of CVTs in general, and I even own one, but if they've managed to implement more power/torque, I'd like to see how it turns out.
civic girder
Well, Nissan had a class-action lawsuit on their CVTs
So if it comes from Nissan, instant skepticism
jagged wagon
Actions of the past don't necessarily mean they'll be carried to the future, but that's fair enough.
Mhm, hopefully they're taking a lesson from history and not repeating the same mistakes, but we'll have to see.
civic girder
Yea, for sure
indigo coral
nissan having bad cvts is true and also a big fat meme at the same time
civic girder
^
I know another thing with CVTs is that they do poorly (in terms of reliability/longevity) with normal gas cars.
I don't remember exactly why, but its something you can easily solve by going with a hybrid or just straight electric
shadow cedar
dense shard
Older Nissan CVTs are shit, sure.
I'd be surprised if the new ones haven't improved.
Also pretty much every major automaker had a class action on their transmissions.
Ford and Honda being the most notable.
oh and most recently FCA.
Best bit with Honda was... they've had serious issues with their automatics AND manuals.
Apparently a bum 3rd gear synchro went ignored for about 5 years... meaning that a lot of the early 2000s 6 speed gems are ultra rare now.
Because people ended up junking the cars after the warranty expired.
fathom socket
My aunt bought a Honda Civic with a CVT without my consent
Everyone in the family basically has to get "my permission" to buy a car
It started as a joke
But now everyone actually does it
dense shard
Honda CVTs weren't/aren't the issues.
It was their 4 and 5 speed automatics.
And 6 speed manuals.
Honestly CVTs and smaller turbos go together quite well.
To the point where the Civics with manuals are considered inferior to the ones with the CVTs... in turbo form at any rate.
indigo coral
friend of mine got a '17 civic touring
maybe 18
idk
got screwed though, he paid way too much
civic girder
2nd gen Odyssey autos
A close friend of mine's family have a 2001, iirc, Odyssey. Its definitely a second gen.
Its on its 3rd transmission
2nd set of shocks
and the power sliding doors don't work
idk how many miles its on, but I know his parents have had it since new
I'd be willing to bet its got at least 280k
its damn near as old as my friend is, younger than him by like a year or two at most
I also think it blew a headgasket once, or some other major engine repair that wasn't catastrophic
dense shard
Everyone craps on Nissan... but frankly Honda doesn't deserve a break.
civic girder
They also have an ancient 2 door Integra in that lovely 90s green, its as old as I am
I think its on its second transmission
dense shard
Honda built a rep in the 90s... and has been coasting on that rep since then.
civic girder
yea, pretty much
dense shard
Nissan built a rep in the 70s, and has been coasting since then. lol
Okay not entirely fair, but at least they're updating their line up now. Better late than never.
civic girder
Other than the transmission, I don't think the Integra has had any problems. Not sure if its above 200k miles, but its certainly above 100k. His parents have had that sucker since new too
They've had those two beaters as long as I can remember
dense shard
The Acura shouldn't have issues considering it's a product of the 90s.
civic girder
idk
It was probably a weird fluke, don't think it was common on those models
iirc the thing had issues going into gear (it was an auto)
They got a used CRV sometime in the last decade, probably around 2013 or 14. iirc its an 07. Pretty good condition
dense shard
If the AC works, they're lucky.
civic girder
and they inherited a nice 2013 or something Accord when their aunt passed away a couple years ago
dense shard
CR-V had exploding compressor issues at one point.
civic girder
pretty sure the CR-V has working a/c
dense shard
So Honda would replace your compressor, but they didn't clear the debris out of the lines.
civic girder
if it broke at one point, one of my friend's brothers is into car stuff and probably fixed it
dense shard
So a few months later the compressor would grenade itself on the wreckage of its predecessor.
big oops
civic girder
I think that younger brother whos into cars is trying to get a Supra MKIII as his first car
dense shard
lol good luck
civic girder
He found one listed for like $1500 a couple months ago
dense shard
It's not a MKIV
civic girder
it needed work tho
civic girder
I think he's just trying to get a manual na
he's getting it with his own money and wants a project car
dense shard
Well best of luck to him.
civic girder
(ngl, I probably influenced him by buying my RX-7)
dense shard
80s cars are amusing.
civic girder
Yea. I may go help him out if he can get one
I should learn 80s piston cars if I plan on getting a Z31
right now all I can do on piston cars is oil
I thought I knew spark plugs, but just take a listen to the Prius 
I just need a magnetic spark plug socket and to not change spark plugs on a cold engine and it won't happen next time
median egret
normal temple
I'm not scared of the dark, the dark is scared of me
stoic ledge
No
dense shard
hashtag no
civic spoke
Poundsign no
waxen tapir
... Thats Sad
civic spoke
They are great at being cars. But I don't like 'em.
dense shard
I'll stick to Toyota.
fathom socket
RIP Sir Stirling Moss
civic spoke
90 years old.
fathom socket
noice
I have no blankets to use in bed because I used it on a car and covered it with a thick white blanket with the rest to keep it from getting damaged from a massive hail storm tonight :/
I'm worried
I covered the black Dodge neon srt4 as well it's another turbo car I had for awhile
Gotta love having two cars with turbos and a manual transmission
quartz arrow
It,s Awesome
fathom socket
Yeah man, ever since this lockdown just been rebuilding my forged RB25 and took it for a spin yesterday and thatβs what happened πππ
warm sparrow
watch out Rakibo, your apostrophe fell on the ground
Not sure blankets can protect a car from big hail though π€
fair bronze
It's better than nothing I suppose
civic spoke
The Smoking Tire podcast will have RCR on tomorrow, I think it was.
dense shard
RCR finally getting their big break?
What constitutes a break on automotive youtube?
torpid dune
RCR got that ages ago.
civic girder
Insert picture of me towing my RX-7 with a rotary swapped Ford Ranger
(its gonna happen eventually)
lethal garnet
lol
dense shard
Usual idea is to have torque fairly low.
civic girder
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
all I'll need is proper gearing and some stronk suspension
then I'll easily have the same towing capacity as an older F-150
big boi brakes too
fathom socket
I'll set you up with a proper 700 HP Duramax tow rig
Not some old ass rotary swapped Ranger
indigo coral
Ew chevy
dense shard
Honestly... over the last 3 years.
If I had to buy a truck. I'd get either a Toyota or...
uhhhh...
Probably lean GM or RAM. I don't know if I trust Ford anymore.
Then again FCA quality issues are legion.
GM apparently has issues with cylinder deactivation, but are the Ford turbos as durable as Ford claims?
If I had a stupid amount of money to burn. I'd get a GM with the smaller I6 diesel.
Great highway mileage, should be durable, and frankly I like GM and/or FCA styling over Ford right now. Ford trucks look like Tonka stuff.
stoic ledge
Today we learn: bodypanels are not required for a car to work
dense shard
ah
Well... I mean they did kinda strip the parts off....
Unless Tesla literally fly apart when they roll?
stoic ledge
based on their build quality that's likely
But yeah, most cars still work after a roll
Or a flip
Doesn't look like this Model 3 was in a terrible crash
civic girder
Didn't somebody die (or almost die) in a Model X car fire after it crashed and the gullwing doors couldn't open
civic girder
yep, sounds about right
The doors do have a manual release iirc, but its like hidden somehow or otherwise hard to get to if you don't already know where it is
and then I think there was an instance where even the manual release didn't work (not 100% sure)
stoic ledge
Not sure how it is in the S/X, but in the 3/Y manual release is only in the front
civic spoke
Don't they have an extra release now for the rear?
civic girder
on the more recent models, probs
stoic ledge
The 3/Y doesn't atleast
civic spoke
That's like under the plastic/rubber lining in the doors.
For the bottle storage.
Or maybe that's where it is for the model X?
civic girder
how easy is it to access and relese
like, would you be able to get it within 20 or so seconds before you burst into flames
stoic ledge
I'd like to get out in 0.1 seconds tbh
civic girder
so would I, but its a Tesla
Even in normal vans with power doors, you can override the motor very easily
and ofc in normal car doors it takes like a half second to get it opened
stoic ledge
It's not good for the motors, but /care in a fire xD
civic girder
exactly
civic spoke
I just read what you have to do with the model X
civic girder
I think more modern ones deactivate the motors if you start pulling or pushing on the door tho @stoic ledge not 100% sure
civic spoke
You literally have to remove the speaker grill to access the override.
civic girder
yea
civic spoke
And then you have to force the door open.
civic girder
that's no bueno
civic spoke
stoic ledge
Could be eastman, could be
civic girder
You'd catch on fire before you even got the grille off
stoic ledge
Lol removing the speaker grill, yeah that's what I want in case of a fire
stoic ledge
Yikes then you have to search for a tiny ass wire which you need to pull, next you have to push up a heavy door
civic girder
even after you get the speaker grille off, you then have to pull that cable hard enough to uncouple the latch
stoic ledge
So basically, you're fcked
civic girder
and then you have to pray you have enough adrenaline to push that, likely 150lb, door out of your way
Yea, remind me to never sit in the backseat of a Model X
stoic ledge
Probably, but take waaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than yenking the door handle and throwing it open
^ same
Of a 3/Y, where there is no manual release at all
civic girder
wtf
3/Y have no manual release?
or are they just manual doors so it doesn't matter
stoic ledge
No they're electric without manual release
civic girder
ok, remind me to never ride in the backseat of Tesla in general
stoic ledge
I totally agree
civic girder
bolt on parts are for the engine bay, not the door releases
stoic ledge
The fun thing is, it's all there
civic girder
wait whaty
you're telling me that the 3/Y have all the hardware for manual release, but its just not hooked up?
stoic ledge
The cable is running behind the door panel, etc, but there's no way so pull it from the insidr of the car with the doorpanel on it
Yes
civic girder
wtf
yea, now I really don't want to get a Tesla
nor do I want anyone I know to get a Tesla
stoic ledge
The modification is: attach a string to make it longer, drill a small hole in the doorpocket to push the string trough, attach a keychain to it
Skimp through the video, you'll see it yourself
stoic ledge
I totally agree
civic girder
same with the X, it should be accessible without removing the speaker grille
or the speaker grille needs a quick release and the wire be longer
normal temple
What's wrong with a regular door that's been used for like 200 million years
normal temple
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/317845923231301632/698700569354698843/image0.png basically me but swapping the rear main seal
civic girder
basically me, but replacing apex seals
if I have a kid, he's sure as hell gonna know how to build a rotary lmfao
Imagine being 16, kids at school ask you what you drive, and you say "rotary swapped Mazda 3"
no one would know what that means π
stoic ledge
Lol
dense shard
Not sure what required the Model 3 to not have a physical latch.
Usually the door release is a couple of wires and a lever or so.
The distribution of the debris at the site and the damage all indicate that this was a high-speed crash β in this case, not just electric cars, but any vehicle can catch on fire. In fact, another car involved in the accident (a fuel-powered vehicle) also caught on fire. Fuel tank fire incidents happen much more often than the electric car fires.
Tesla's defense is, "yeah but any car can catch fire"
this information is surprisingly not in the ownerβs manual but in the emergency response guide, which is for first responders (update: itβs not in the online owner manual, but itβs in the version in the car):
Also y'all forgot to mention. This override wire isn't even in the owner's manual in the car.
dense shard
I think Ford tried that defense as well in the 70s.
civic girder
but most cars you could get out of if it were to catch on fire
dense shard
uhhhh... it didn't work out that well for them.
dense shard
Okay... slightly different issue with Ford if I'm being fair.
Also... is 75 km/h "high speed?"
That's maybe 46 miles an hour.
civic girder
lol
I'd say 100km/h, aka 60mph, is where you cross into the "high speed" threshold
unless you're talking about a parking lot or 25mph zone, then I could see 46mph being "high speed"
dense shard
Still... emergency overrides shouldn't be hidden behind anything.
dense shard
There's a reason the trunk latch overrides are easy to access, use, and they even glow in the dark.
civic girder
they should be easily accessible and work in any situation
technically, I don't think my RX-7 has a normal trunk override
dense shard
It's a hatchback, right?
civic girder
its got electric release, but it also has external key release
dense shard
And I'm pretty sure it predates that requirement.
civic girder
yea, that too
dense shard
My car doesn't have an emergency latch as well.
If you get trapped and can't get out... you might deserve it?
I'm sure there's some weird esoteric scenario we can come up with, but it's pretty hard to get trapped in the trunk of a hatchback.
civic girder
or crawl over the seats
dense shard
right
civic girder
not like a sedan where you can only release the seat backs from the backseat
and where you can't crawl over them
dense shard
Amusingly my Accord did have a truck release for the back seats.
civic girder
lmao
thin heath
10 MINUTES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb7eMKf497g
dense shard
nice
ebon thorn
Well i guess the great thing about motorcycles is you cant get trapped in them... the downside is you get ejected every time... or dragged with them
dense shard
stoic ledge
I only see facts in the image
grim sierra
lol
fathom socket
dont mean to flex but i saw a sinclair c5 today
carmine summit
don't mean to flex but I finished installing my suspension today
carmine summit
so do I, not sure why people think it's hard
civic girder
hard calling out Falcon I see
dense shard
No harder than accepting some people prefer automatics.
Or that automatics at this point in time are faster and return better fuel efficiency.
civic girder
He thinks he can't drive manual tho
there's nothing wrong with preferring auto, but manual isn't really all that hard
carmine summit
Yeah autos are usually faster in new cars, if I was building a racecar and I only cared about performance I'd go auto
civic girder
idk
Personally, autos are hard to get right
most autos I've driven have not been very smooth and had very poor response
and imo, in any performance car, auto and dual clutch/paddles are the absolute wrong direction
its not fun and subtracts from the driving experience
normal temple
My auto BANGs gears
But I'll be swapping it to a 6 speed when I do my engine swap π€
indigo coral
@civic girder fuck off
civic girder
All I'm saying is that you can drive manual. You just need seat time to practice
whether or not you want to, different story and all up to you
civic girder
You think I magically started driving manual like seasoned vet?
indigo coral
Some people are better at it than others
civic girder
nah fam, I was so bad that I knocked a battery cable off the the terminal
which is what I think fried the first fuel pump
civic girder
no
part of it was that the cable was loose
the other part was that I stalled it pretty good
normal temple
Damn that must've been a pretty good stall lmao
normal temple
oof
civic girder
insta stall
civic girder
yea, basically
carmine summit
@indigo coral it's just practice, first time I tried I was only I first gear in a field. Even though the car had a diesel with a fair bit more torque than factory I stalled a few times. When I actually started driving a couple years ago it took a couple weeks of practice before I was smooth ish with a manual, even now after dailying manual cars for over a year still haven't quite mastered it. Try again, don't worry if you can't launch hard and bang gears right away. Just practice taking off smoothly and shifting. Best advice I can give is to remember the clutch isn't on and off, release the pedal until the car starts moving and feather it from there. The more practice you get the easier it gets.
It's definitely a skill worth learning, makes driving more fun and you can buy manual cars that are less expensive because a majority of the population can't drive stick
tight cypress
now lets wait for my new performance cdi
dense shard
It's a skill worth learning, but it's not particularly useful anymore. Manual cars are so uncommon that any price savings you get only occurs when you looking at a specific car.
civic girder
It does lock you out of some cars. In sports cars, particularly older ones, autos can actually be rarer than manuals
Like, it's actually somewhat difficult to find auto RX-7s in my experience
civic spoke
Getting high-fived in a truck sucks balls.
chrome grail
My first car was the only automatic I've owned. Out of 5.
civic spoke
30 km said the truck. 5 liters, said the truck.
It went up to 1,500+ after I filled her up.
fair bronze
What's the official fuel capacity
normal temple
Yes
civic girder
I know the RX-7 is really really weird
it pretends to be lower than it actually is, until you get below half a tank
then its about 98% accurate
And the Prius straight up has no idea what the fuck its talking about
empty is half a tank
normal temple
My car was like that
Turned out one of my level sensors broke
So half the gas tank was effectively missing on the gauge
stoic ledge
normal temple
And that's how my brother ran my car out of gas on a freeway
civic girder
my parents have each run the Prius out of gas on the highway before
normal temple
Yeah I never let it get below a quarter
Sometimes even a half
Out of fear of that
civic girder
well, my dad may not have actually run it out, but pulled into the station on literal fumes
my mom 100% ran out
she got stranded on the freeway like 30 minutes from home in middle of nowhere, this was when we were still living in Oklahoma
stoic ledge
OOF
civic girder
I suspect its my parents fault that the fuel gauge is fucked, lmao
almost surprised the fuel pump didn't yeet either
indigo coral
I've gotten close but I was paying attention to it
well "close"
3 gallons left
my gas gauge is sitting on E with like 2-3 gallons still left
the fuel light comes on with ~7 gallons left
which is crazy high
civic girder
RX-7 doesn't have a fuel light
Prius probably does, but I've never seen it
according to my mom, it comes on like two minutes before you run out
stoic ledge
My gas gauge just goes down at a fixed rate from a certain point even tho it's not using any fuel at all π
Actually intended behavior on regular gas models since it's inaccurate to measure, but won't work on the Bi-Fuel when it's nit using gas
fathom socket
hmm
civic girder
but when you brake with medium force, it drops to empty
fathom socket
about the model y quality issues
it looks like a joke
if u have seen eastern european cars
civic girder
and then when you stop braking, it goes back to where it was
the speedo does a similar thing
if you brake really hard, the speedo goes to 100mph
indigo coral
Weird
normal temple
carmine summit
Don't be like the person that did this patch, paint it with POR15 when you're done
Now I have to clean this up along with fixing a couple other spots
civic girder
You forgot Mazda and a picture of metal pieces
dense shard
Yeah I've found the fuel gauge to be inaccurate.
Which is fine.
I once ignored my low fuel light. Ended up filling my tank with 17.4 out of the 17.5 gallons. The buffer space is convenient.
Also that Model Y is nasty.
civic girder
Most gas I've ever put in my Prius was like 8 gallons, lmfao
most I've ever put in the RX-7 was 12 gallons, but that was the first time I ever filled it up
clever vine
Thats one suckkk turbo from that focus
civic girder
suuccccc
indigo coral
what about neutral evil with a full size tire and alloy?
tight cypress
*me not even usin an spare tire
indigo coral
@dense shard where does that fall? π€
stoic ledge
Imagine not having a fuel tank at neutral evil
viral matrix
stoic ledge
carmine summit
Gonna change my spark plugs later today when it's warmer before I get back to doing rust work, I've had new plugs for months now and now I need just a spark plug connector for something else
So I'll have my new plugs installed and have 4 used plugs with the part I need
smoky gate
anybody know anything about maislin trucking? @ me
i have a lot of family history in the company and im trying to put together something for my father
anybody with any information about where there's still some of the old ford cl 9000's lying around would be a huge help
they looked like this
dense shard
ebay?
They're either junkyard queens or barn queens. I can't imagine those still being on the road.
Perhaps you can just google the truck name? I got a few results with various auction sites.
carmine summit
I wouldn't be that surprised to see the trucks being used on a farm or something
some probably went to wreckers, some might be sitting behind barns/garages not getting used
speaking of Ford trucks, there's a steel wool plant here with an L9000 that probably only has like 30k miles on it
I'm pretty sure it's been there since it was new and I've only ever seen it get used for moving trailers to get loaded a couple times a year
smoky gate
thanks
my dad never got to drive one and i want to give him the opportunity
he always wanted to
dense shard
If it is literally just a drive.
I 100% recommend checking a few Facebook groups.
I imagine there's a cabover fan page.
carmine summit
another thing that might be worth checking is farm auctions and stuff
there's often older used trucks at farm auctions, you might get lucky and find one
I just found a pretty good deal on a bumpside Ford F700 with only 45k miles on it
$2700 USD
used farm equipment auctions and websites
civic spoke
I saw an old American truck here in Stockholm the other day.
It was a massive 4-axle one.
Didn't tow a trailer or anything, though.
smoky gate
im looking to buy one
that way ill have a peice of my family history to pass down through the generations as well
civic spoke
They make so little sense here in Europe.
smoky gate
most european trucks are flat noses right?
civic spoke
Yeah, cabover.
smoky gate
thought so
carmine summit
My dad used to drive a Kenworth K100E that he stretched the frame on, I've never seen another one with the same paint scheme as his though no matter how much I search
civic spoke
I really want a new-ish Scania to drive.
carmine summit
I'd like to get a truck licence but they changed the rules here a couple years ago so it's a lot harder to get and more expensive
smoky gate
yeah i would love one
i would want to drive a truck with a manual but from what ive heard theyre hard to find now
carmine summit
Having a truck licence here basically guarantees you a job
companies are always hiring truck drivers
smoky gate
i think i would mess up with an 18 speed by forgetting to select high range and go from 4 to 1