cars

[indigo coral]

The interior are fine but aint stunning.

The one in the new Explorer is utterly dreadful.

[fathom socket]

It doesn't need to be stunning

[indigo coral]

Looks okay, but is cheaply made, fits together poorly, and that screen is just godawful

[dense shard]

It needs to match the price it sells at.

[fathom socket]

You didn't pay for a god-damned Mercedes

[indigo coral]

When the SUV costs 60k it does @fathom socket

[stoic ledge]

New Lincoln's are beautiful tho

[dense shard]

No, but you did pay over 35k for it.

And at those prices room for quirks narrows.

[fathom socket]

Don't know why people bitch about their interiors

[indigo coral]

Explorers go over 50k easily. They should most certainly have an interior that is representative of that price.

[fathom socket]

If it functions as a vehicle, then it's fine

[dense shard]

Because when you have panels flex in a car that costs over 40k...

That's implying corners were cut.

[fathom socket]

Yeah

[stoic ledge]

Well the interior needs to be on a level for the price and type of car .. it's where you spend all of your time

[dense shard]

And frankly my Corolla has redefined my concept of "quality" in a car.

[indigo coral]

I'm kind of shocked at how squeaky my RX interior is. The center control stack wood-facade squeaks when you press on it.

[dense shard]

If Toyota can do it for 20k, everyone else better at the very least match it for 40.

[normal temple]

Speaking of interiors, QUALITY OF LIFE mods are the best

[indigo coral]

It's kind of disappointing for a car that was 40k in 1999.

[stoic ledge]

If you buy an S-class with all the luxury of an S-class but the interior fitment of, idk a 2005 Focus, nobody would buy it xD

[dense shard]

Your car was good in 1999.

[fathom socket]

But, I have people always whining about the bad interior in their $25k car

[dense shard]

I imagine an S-class from 1999 today doesn't feel like 120k.

[indigo coral]

I bet it doesn't creak if you press on the 'wood' though

[dense shard]

I think that those complaints often are firmly grounded in reality.

[stoic ledge]

My Corsa doesn't creak

[dense shard]

Honda's lack of buttons in their pre-refresh Civic was a fatal flaw.

As was Ford's gen 1 Sync.

[fathom socket]

Yes

[dense shard]

And those were shit at literally any price.

[fathom socket]

Big problem

[indigo coral]

Gen 1 sync being MyFordTouch or that one thats tiny 2inch screen?

[dense shard]

When you can't adjust the volume by touch alone... I'd say that's pretty bad.

Certain controls should be by touch alone. HVAC, lights, wipers, and power/volume for the radio.

[fathom socket]

You have to adjust it by using a slider on the screen

That's damn stupid

[indigo coral]

In what car?

[dense shard]

All of Honda at one point.

[indigo coral]

yikes

[dense shard]

yeah

Literally no one liked it.

[stoic ledge]

VW is using s slider in the Golf 8

[normal temple]

@stoic ledge what is there to creak

[indigo coral]

My RX got nasty reviews for the infotainment thingy when it was new. They talked about how difficult it was to use and how complicated it was.

Lol.

If only they could see what's coming.

[dense shard]

Kudos to Honda for reducing button count.

[fathom socket]

Yes

[dense shard]

no not that much Honda

[fathom socket]

I need my buttons

I don't like my dash flooded with them tho

And Tesla has completely removed buttons

Which is too far

[normal temple]

Buttons

[dense shard]

The Focus was a flawed car that was begging for a refresh to dominate the US compact market.

and nah

Go buy an Ecosport instead.

[indigo coral]

my RX has loads of buttons pogkek

[stoic ledge]

Yikes EcoSport

It's bad

[dense shard]

I've come around to it.

[indigo coral]

The ecosport is the shittiest car on the market rn

literally

[dense shard]

It's the compact crossover that does what it's meant to.

It's your mini urban runabout.

[normal temple]

@stoic ledge can I dump the clutch in your car at redline with trays under the rear tires

[indigo coral]

It's heinously ugly, slow, the interior is dreadful, and its overpriced.

[dense shard]

Great for puttering around town.

[indigo coral]

What benefits does it have????

[dense shard]

It's small.

And it has a cheaper starting price than the Honda HR-V

[fathom socket]

A god damn 3 cylinder in a crossover is too litlle

[indigo coral]

^

Should have a V6.

[dense shard]

wut

It's a subcompact

[indigo coral]

Those boosted little shitty engines are going to die in short order

[stoic ledge]

@normal temple lol xD But why

[fathom socket]

Or a high power 4 banger

[dense shard]

not even the Escape comes with a V6 anymore.

[indigo coral]

Which is incredibly stupid

The tiny turboed engines don't even get much better fuel economy

[dense shard]

look at it like this.

The Ford Ecosport is 2000 dollars cheaper than the Chevy Trax.

And equally tiny and miserable crossover.

[fathom socket]

My grandmother's Ford Escape comes with a 250 HP twin turbo 2.0l

[normal temple]

@stoic ledge I need to experience Opel power

[indigo coral]

Amazing! A car I'd never buy is cheaper than another car I'll never buy.

[dense shard]

Yes... these aren't cars aimed at you.

[stoic ledge]

@normal temple buy a Saturn Astra xD

[dense shard]

But yeah. Ecosport ain't that overpriced tbh.

[normal temple]

oh dear god

no pls

[indigo coral]

Their aimed at people ford wants to bend over and screw on maitenence in a few years.

[stoic ledge]

EcoSport is overpriced here

[dense shard]

All small SUVs have tiny underpowered engines... apart from Honda who is too cheap to develop a new engine.

[fathom socket]

My grandmother's Escape is damn fast for a crossover

[dense shard]

Give it a year, and a new one will probably have a tiny engine.

[indigo coral]

They should have made a V8 Stinger/G70.

[stoic ledge]

But shipment on a "cheap" car from Brazil is quite expensive relatively speaking, so the car gets expensive

[indigo coral]

There's been some rumours of a Stinger GTR but there was a "not now" from Kia.

Unfortunately.

[dense shard]

Then there's the... Toyota C-HR...

[fathom socket]

Ew

[dense shard]

Arguably.

[normal temple]

Can someone over in German land import me some parts for my car pls

[dense shard]

No AWD option.

[normal temple]

Thx

[stoic ledge]

@normal temple what do you need?

[normal temple]

Headlights mainly

kek

[dense shard]

Ford and Chevy are competing for a Niche they have priced themselves out ouf.

[stoic ledge]

For an E30?

[normal temple]

Ye

[indigo coral]

steal them

ez

[stoic ledge]

Oof

[dense shard]

Cause then you have the Nissan Kicks, Hyundai tiny thingie

[indigo coral]

None of the small crossovers are compelling vehicles.

[normal temple]

Cause the euro headlights over here are $500+

But the headlights over there are generally around 100

[dense shard]

I have a friend who got a fully loaded Kicks for about 22k.

[stoic ledge]

Lemme see what they cost here

[dense shard]

Perfect for his needs.

[indigo coral]

Sweet! Power seats! What a crazy option!

[dense shard]

Good mileage, excellent storage, 360 back up camera, and a few other goodies.

[indigo coral]

side note

[dense shard]

Surprisingly good fuel economy actually.

[indigo coral]

how is the Lexus UX so crampedf?

[dense shard]

TNGA platform.

[indigo coral]

It's almost the same size as my RX.

[dense shard]

Toyota is shoving a crossover onto a compact platform.

[indigo coral]

It's only marginally smaller than my RX.

~2 inches shorter

It's tiny, while mine comfortably seats 5 + their luggage

a new Lexus RX is 19 inches longer than mine.

Wtf.

[stoic ledge]

@normal temple about €40-50 each side for the headlights

[normal temple]

Yep

Around 100

[dense shard]

Lexus is slicing the market thin.

UX needs to slot in below the NX.

And it does.

[indigo coral]

It's a fair bit smaller than the NX

[normal temple]

@stoic ledge the same lights over here are above 500

Lmao

[stoic ledge]

Oof

[indigo coral]

It's ~6 inches shorter

[dense shard]

It's basically a fancy Corolla hatchback.

Same platform, same engine.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/2019_Lexus_UX_200_MZAA10_M20A-FKS_engine_(20190722).jpg/1280px-2019_Lexus_UX_200_MZAA10_M20A-FKS_engine_(20190722).jpg Literally identical. I should get the Lexus engine trim and put it on my car.

[indigo coral]

Seems like newer cars are poorly packaged

If you can barely fit 4 + small cargo in a car similarly sized to a car that can comfortably fit 5 + a big cargo area

[dense shard]

Toyota is putting a dozen cars onto one platform.

In this case they had to compromise.

I'm fine with it. It drives like a dream.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah Toyota's new platform is quite good

[indigo coral]

It's not a bad platform, just surprises me.

[dense shard]

Could be bigger, sure.

I'm still chuckling.

I could 100% get that engine cover, and say I swapped in a Lexus engine.

[indigo coral]

Too bad they never made a hot hatch version of the CT200h

[dense shard]

There wasn't a hot engine in the lineup to make a hot CT200.

There is now, but Lexus killed the CT200h.

[indigo coral]

bring it back on the prius platform

[stoic ledge]

Just slam the 3.5 V6 in it

[indigo coral]

make it fast

[stoic ledge]

[indigo coral]

350hp

engine + powerful hybrid

[dense shard]

TNGA-C

And there is no engine that hot in the line up.

170 2.0 or the 180 horsepower 2.0 hybrid.

[indigo coral]

that aint a hot hatch engine

lmao

[dense shard]

It's warm enough.

[indigo coral]

That'd give you what? 8 seconds to 60? 10?

[dense shard]

7.5-ish.

Low to mid 7s either way.

[indigo coral]

Focus RS can do it in 4.5 according to Google

[dense shard]

And the Focus RS costs 40k.

[indigo coral]

350hp/350lb/ft of torque

yeah

CT200h was fairly expensive

[dense shard]

It was a glorified Prius.

[indigo coral]

and it was more expensive

[stoic ledge]

CT200h was nicer inside tho

[indigo coral]

^

and you get the bRaNd cReD

[dense shard]

It was, but now y'all get the Corolla HB.

[stoic ledge]

@normal temple how heavy would 2 of those headlights be?

[dense shard]

oh wait

Lexus had a CD player... it wins.

[stoic ledge]

[indigo coral]

Too bad there wasn't an automatic Focus RS.

[dense shard]

lol

[indigo coral]

I'd get one if it came in auto.

[dense shard]

I don't miss the lack of a CD player.

[stoic ledge]

Luckily there wasn't an automatic Focus RS

Ftfy ^^

[indigo coral]

nah

[dense shard]

Shame. Ford could have gotten a hot hatch that was legit faster than a Mustang GT.

[normal temple]

@stoic ledge each is roughly 15-20 lbs

[stoic ledge]

Cars like that need a manual

[indigo coral]

They ruined the car by only offering a manual.

[normal temple]

Probably a little bit more lol

[dense shard]

Cars like that need an automatic. Otherwise fewer and fewer people will buy them.

[indigo coral]

They should have offered both.

[dense shard]

And then they'll stop selling em because no one buys em.

[stoic ledge]

Oof so combined that's 15-20kg... Shipping that to the US is expensive @normal temple

[indigo coral]

Lots of people bought the RS

[dense shard]

If car enthusiasts are so adamant about manual only... they could probably go buy a new manual car.

[normal temple]

Its probably still less than me getting it here

[dense shard]

Shipping can get hella expensive over 10kg.

[normal temple]

Actually the real move is flying into Germany, buying the lights, and bringing em back home in my bag

[stoic ledge]

Probably

[normal temple]

🤔 🤔 🤔

[stoic ledge]

OOF

That's more expensive probably

[indigo coral]

I don' think you can do that

[normal temple]

Lmao

[stoic ledge]

Unless you want the trip

[dense shard]

It'd have to be checked luggage.

[indigo coral]

wouldn't they confiscate it

[dense shard]

nah

[normal temple]

Nop

[dense shard]

No reason to confiscate it.

It's not illegal.

[normal temple]

There's nothing illegal

Ye

[indigo coral]

it wouldn't be a us dot certified headlight though

[dense shard]

They might drop it off a small building to see if the lights will survive.

[indigo coral]

do you hvae inspection?

[normal temple]

No

[dense shard]

If it's 25 years or more... who cares.

[normal temple]

^

31 years old

[dense shard]

who cares? lol

[indigo coral]

oh do the restrictions not apply anymore after 25?

[normal temple]

Not really

[dense shard]

yeah

25 years or older and the EPA, DOT, and NHTSA stop caring much if at all.

[indigo coral]

huh

my car is close

[dense shard]

yep

[stoic ledge]

Up to 20kg is almost €120 to the US

Or €95 with DHL

Max box size 80x50x35 cm

Which is 32x20x7 inches? Idk if that would fit

But even with shipping, it's nearly half of the US price

I see a new market here 👀 xD

[normal temple]

Yep

F90 bumper on a F10 hmmmm

🤔 🤔 🤔

[stoic ledge]

Oof no, that's just weird

[dense shard]

heh

[indigo coral]

not too bad

[fathom socket]

It got delivered 🙂

[stoic ledge]

Finally

[fathom socket]

yeah

my little beast 🙂

[dense shard]

nice color

[stoic ledge]

Maybe I'll see you soon on the Belgian roads

[fathom socket]

not many in that color are driving around over here 🙂

on 22 inchers :;

🙂

[stoic ledge]

Not even that many XC90's xD

[fathom socket]

yeah well i see them a lot

but most of the time D4 / D5

[stoic ledge]

Not in Limburg they're not xD

[fathom socket]

you are just not looking in the correct places 🙂

[stoic ledge]

Probably

[fathom socket]

drives fantastic the T8

currently have an average consumption of 9.9l / 100 km

[stoic ledge]

Oof

Pls tell me you are using E5 xD

Not E10

[fathom socket]

yeah filling E5

it's cheaper then diesel over here 🙂

[stoic ledge]

Good boii xD

Yeah wouldn't recommend throwing diesel in it

runs

[fathom socket]

😄

now I have to charge up every day

I will do it once I live in my new house

[stoic ledge]

Full solar roof when

[fathom socket]

where I live now if I plug it in they will steal my cable 😄

[dense shard]

oof

[stoic ledge]

Lol classic Belgium

runs

[fathom socket]

Belgium? brussels / Molenbeek 🙂

[stoic ledge]

Even worse

runs ever harder

[fathom socket]

yeah I live in Dilbeek

it's right next to Molenbeek

they all come over here to steal our shizzle

[stoic ledge]

All Wallonian because they don't work

[fathom socket]

lol

that will be in our new home

it's a 5 min drive to wallonia 😄

[stoic ledge]

My condolences

xD

[fathom socket]

but there I have a chargeing pole installed

[stoic ledge]

Oof nice

[fathom socket]

so they will have a hard time stealing that cable 😄

[stoic ledge]

Inb4 they steal the pole itself

[fathom socket]

then they will have an issue 🙂

the pole is installed inside my home

[stoic ledge]

Oof xD

Well you never know

[silver horizon]

how about them cars

[dense shard]

love em

[glass kindle]

^

[dense shard]

I want to sleep in my car

Urge to take my blanket and pillow and just sleep in the back seat is strong

[stoic ledge]

Do it

[fathom socket]

http://prntscr.com/r1v80l

[wheat hatch]

Volvo

[dense shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NBqcXjuYWU& I want this.

[stoic ledge]

Oof those look quite cool imho

[night current]

They're cool until you realize how much they leak inside, lol

[indigo coral]

what, RVs?

[night current]

Yeah

[indigo coral]

Ours doesn't leak 😮

[night current]

Lucky mofo

[indigo coral]

ours is old but it lives in the garage and has been well kept

[night current]

Oh, that's probably why... My family went through multiple older ones and they all would leak, despite us always patching it up.

[indigo coral]

Rip

Ours is a 98 Fleetwood Discovery

[night current]

That's pretty nice actually

[indigo coral]

has surprisingly low miles on it, considering it's age

iirc its only at ~45k miles

[night current]

I dont know the exact model of the one my family owned, but it was a late 80's winnebago

Damn, that is really low

[indigo coral]

It lives in the garage so its not beat on by weather all year, which helps it not leak lmao

[night current]

Lmao, yeah I'd imagine that helps a lot xD

[carmine summit]

RVs usually don't have much mileage

[indigo coral]

yeah

but for 22yrs/old

thats not too high

[carmine summit]

Usually they get parked for 98% of the year, some don't get used for years at a time

There are exceptions to everything though

[night current]

Idk man, I see a lot of old people always driving them around... 🤣

[indigo coral]

for retirees going on cheap vacation

xD

hella cheaper than plane ticket + hotels

[stoic ledge]

Damn that thing is huge falcon

Damn

https://www.rvt.com/photos2/2624/7552624/main.jpg

Something like that? 👀

[indigo coral]

a bit different and not that colour

but yes

[stoic ledge]

Damn that's massive

[unreal terrace]

Ain't that a bus

[stoic ledge]

@unreal terrace larger than the average coach in Europe xD

[unreal terrace]

Probably the same size, we have a similar thing here

But they're busses remade to RVs

[stoic ledge]

I've seen some but very rare in 🇳🇱

Also: waay to big, won't fit xD

https://www.top-camper.eu/assets/uploads/images/_large/Weinsberg-Pepper-exterieur.jpg

This was the best selling RV in 🇳🇱 apparently

674cm long (265"), a Fleetwood Discovery is 36ft 3" (435" a.k.a 1105cm)

Big difference xD

[dense shard]

I'd rock whatever that is

[stoic ledge]

It's a Weinsberg Pepper, never heard of it before xD But it's based on a Peugeot Boxer (which is a Fiat Ducato / RAM ProMaster)

[dense shard]

Thought it looked familiar

[stoic ledge]

Europe got a refreshed Ducato/Boxer/...

[dense shard]

It looks better

[stoic ledge]

https://media2.autokopen.nl/afbeeldingen/fiat-ducato-302502-1024.jpg

Yeah looks more modern

[dense shard]

They're super popular in the US

[stoic ledge]

Are they 👀

[dense shard]

Logical considering they're the cheapest of the vans

[stoic ledge]

They're getting quite old, pretty sure they're working on a new one

Oof

[dense shard]

And have a fairly wide and massive cargo area

[stoic ledge]

Yeah well tbh they aren't bad, interior is not too shabby, and if the price is right it's a great van

Oof this generation has been for sale since 2006, exactly what I thought

[dense shard]

They're pretty bad to drive apparently

[stoic ledge]

14 years, time for a new one xD

[dense shard]

But... People don't buy cargo vans to go to a track day

[stoic ledge]

Bad in handling or powertrain?

[dense shard]

Handling apparently

[stoic ledge]

They handle better with cargo inside

[indigo coral]

i dont think ive ever even seen one of those

[dense shard]

Promasters are everywhere in the southeast

[stoic ledge]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/2019_Ram_ProMaster_2500.jpg/1280px-2019_Ram_ProMaster_2500.jpg
Never?

Oof that front takes me right back to 2006

[dense shard]

They rival the Mercedes vans used by Amazon

[stoic ledge]

Sprinters are much more expensive

[dense shard]

Yep

[stoic ledge]

Atleast over here

[dense shard]

Still a Mercedes

[stoic ledge]

Yeah xD

Then we also have the Opel Movano/Renault Master, VW Crafter and the Transit (2500-3500 sized that is iirc)

1500 sized is the Opel Vivaro/Peugeot Expert/Citroen Jumpy, VW Transporter, Renault Traffic and Ford Transit Custom

I don't think the Transit Custom is sold in the US, is it?

https://fordcms.blob.core.windows.net/media/Slovenia/_Profiles/24613dd5/6296e663/PHEV.jpeg?v=636863395750000000

[dense shard]

We have the Transit and Transit City?

Transit Connect*

[stoic ledge]

Ah yes we have the connect too

[indigo coral]

I might've seen one or two of that RAM van

[dense shard]

https://images.app.goo.gl/5CkPXVaLiJ75dfPk7

This thing

[indigo coral]

primarily people buy Sprinters, Metris and Transit here.

[civic girder]

those RAM vans are pretty rare

probs cause they suck

[dense shard]

They have a cargo area wider than the rest

In a smaller footprint

[civic girder]

I see the Nissan NVs everywhere for some reason, even though they are literal garbage compared to everything else in its class

[dense shard]

They are classic trucks

[stoic ledge]

Ford's van line-up:

• Courier
• Transit Connect
• Transit Custom
• Transit

NV is literally garbage

[dense shard]

Which NV?

[civic girder]

all of them

[stoic ledge]

Which one do you have?

We have 200/300/400

[civic girder]

same here

[dense shard]

The dork van and truck van.

[civic girder]

we might have a larger one than the 400 as well, idk for sure

[stoic ledge]

300/400 are Renault's

Atleast here they are

[civic girder]

all I know is that I can beat them from a stoplight in the RX-7, which is sad

I can beat them in the Prius too

[stoic ledge]

Oof vans that get beaten by a sportscar

[civic girder]

no, not just sports car

s l o w sportscar

and hyper slow hybrid

[stoic ledge]

https://media.autoweek.nl/m/ivbyfagbgfjk_800.jpg

These? (NV300 left, NV400 right)

[dense shard]

Nissan is focusing on lower power products

[indigo coral]

oh yeh lots of NVs here too

[civic girder]

like, if I beat you in either of my cars, either your car is 500% trash or you can't drive

[dense shard]

Nissan has fuel economy down.

[civic girder]

the Prius is effectively 75hp lugging 3k lbs of weight

the RX-7 is at best 90hp and weighs about 2400 lbs

[stoic ledge]

That means my car is trash since it's slower

[civic girder]

I mean, depends on by how much

and its probably at least faster than the Prius

[stoic ledge]

No, I've checked

The EV engine 939599293 lbft torque helps

[civic girder]

not really

I swear to you, the EV motor shuts off at WOT

that's why its effectively 75hp

torque is useless in acceleration beyond a certain point as well

[stoic ledge]

https://youtu.be/de74Tw0f7Xc
100km/h in 11s

Mines 14

[dense shard]

Mine is 7-8ish

[civic girder]

I'd have to test mine against that, but I don't think its that fast

[stoic ledge]

Video it

[civic girder]

My Prius is probably closer to 12 or 13 based upon butt dyno

the RX-7 is probs about 10

Yea, my only thing with getting it on video is: where the fuck do I do that safely

[stoic ledge]

Yeah that's quite hard indeed

[civic girder]

lmao

[stoic ledge]

👀

[civic girder]

nicknames for turbos

[stoic ledge]

Lol xD

[civic girder]

lmfao

Ok, last one

[stoic ledge]

xD

[toxic copper]

hmmm... a teriyaki turbski for my motorcycle...

[dense shard]

https://www.motor1.com/news/398028/toyota-gr-corolla-rumor/

So a post refresh last year hurrah

I love the paint scheme render tho

[normal temple]

Ching chang spooly thang @civic girder

[civic girder]

lmao

that's probably on the list, tbh

surprisingly, it actually isn't

Ching chang spinnnyyyy tannnng

nevermind it is

https://nickfinder.com/turbocharger

[normal temple]

WOAH BMW OWNER AND TURN SIGNALS

[civic girder]

OH NO

You've created a singularity and the universe is collapsing!

[normal temple]

They're LED too

So people can actually see them

The universe is definitely collapsing

[civic girder]

lmfao

[normal temple]

Jesus christ

I was gonna change my oil on the weekend

But its raining

[civic girder]

It's gonna be 8F tomorrow morning

or should I say this morning

smh, I need to go to bed

[normal temple]

k e k

[indigo coral]

changing oil in teh rain sucks

absolutely dreadful

[civic girder]

not if you have a garage

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[wheat hatch]

[stoic ledge]

https://youtu.be/2UpFMwvfcHs

[drifting mantle]

https://i.gyazo.com/f92c6faa0a5a2e0f291915b8b7d61d77.png

x'D

From the manual for the Briggs&Stratton 15A114-0342-E1
(Ye it's not for cars, but it's an engine, so F it)

[carmine summit]

s t o c k p h o t o s

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accurate picture of me putting two stroke in the RX-7

lmao

[civic spoke]

@drifting mantle Worst car for doing anything involving common fluids is the Alfa 4C.

Window washer fluid.

[fathom socket]

lol

[civic spoke]

I don't know if I should be surprised or not that my car is barely burning any oil.

[civic girder]

depends on the car

And I should take a pic of me adding two stroke to the 7 next time I get gas

[civic spoke]

E46 320i.

Driven it like 13,000 km's since the last oil change.

[fathom socket]

I used to do that with my truck

Until I replaced the valve cover gaskets when I built the engine

[indigo coral]

and realised it was sludgy as hell?

😛

[stoic ledge]

10-20k miles between oil changes is perfectly fines

Mines rated for 20k miles

[indigo coral]

mines rated for 5k, 3 is recommended

[unreal terrace]

i think mines rated for 30.000km or something stupid

[dense shard]

10k miles for my car.

[indigo coral]

It's very stupid to go past 10k in any car

You're risking your engine.

[dense shard]

I trust Toyota.

[indigo coral]

Yeah, yours is rated at 10k

Opel rated MK's at 20k

which is incredibly stuipd

[civic girder]

I think the Prius is either 5k or 10k, I don't remember.

The RX-7 is 3k + regularly topping off oil

[indigo coral]

I do it around 5, and checking it quite often.

[civic girder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/617178565699567651/677780730201243658/jp4ie465wue21.png
And welcome back to RX-7 discord shennanigans

[indigo coral]

LOL

[stoic ledge]

I always change it at 10k miles (1 year) but it should be good enough for 20k miles

[civic girder]

I'm probably going to get the head gasket replaced prematurely on the Prius, just so I can get those ceramic pieces out. I doubt they're gonna come out on their own

And unfortunately, I'm probs gonna have to take it somewhere for that. The best way to remove the head on the motor is to remove the engine from the car first

and I don't have the shit to do that

[indigo coral]

Y I K E S

I downloaded a pdf of my car's service manual and its frankly ridiculous

There's wayyy better ways of doing things than it says

[civic girder]

I should get a service manual and/or Haynes guide for the Prius

I already have workshop manual and Haynes guide for the RX-7

[indigo coral]

It's an engine out job to do valve covers in my car, for the '99

because of that bracket we fought with

[civic girder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638872947473252364/659884027385479212/P_20191226_172322.jpg
"By our power's combined...."

Someday I need to go look in the Haynes guide about some of the shit that doesn't work

[indigo coral]

We didn't even bother putting the bracket back lmao

seems to be fine w.o it

[civic girder]

bracket for what

[indigo coral]

goes from the back of the intake around a frame rail thing

it wasn't even under any tension or anything

just... there

shoved up against the firewall

[civic girder]

it's probably a bracing to keep the intake from moving around

[indigo coral]

except the way the bracket was hooked on there, it sitll had a lot of room to move

We didn't put it back

[civic girder]

what do you mean by "intake" in this case

[indigo coral]

Took us 2 hours (and a sacrifical socket) to get it out

the big metal thing on top of the engine

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interesting

[indigo coral]

the 2000+ cars didn't even have it

[civic girder]

why the fuck would they need to brace that

[indigo coral]

only the 99 has it

So we didn't put it back, cause why the fuck would we?

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I could see them bracing like a hose to the airbox or something

[indigo coral]

not like theres a warranty to lose or anything

[civic girder]

but not the intake itself

yea, just leave that bitch off lol

sounds pointless to me

[indigo coral]

it was pushed so far up against the firewall it was damn near impossible to get out

We had to cut up a socket as small as we could, slip it aorund the back (the bolt was against the firewall) and pull really hard to let it fit, then undo it

so yeah it aint going back

I still haven't replaced that vacuum solenoid thing and put my engine cover back on 😂

[civic girder]

mekanik

[dense shard]

I might just change my oil every 5k.

50 dollar oil changes aren't tragic.

[civic girder]

if Toyota says 10k, I'd say do it every 8k

[dense shard]

my service intervals are 5k.

[civic girder]

$50 oil changes are expensive af

[indigo coral]

wat

[dense shard]

It's not too bad.

[indigo coral]

thats not dreadful

[civic girder]

I mean

[indigo coral]

lexus dealer wants 300$ to do it lmfao

[civic girder]

It's like $30 cheaper to do it yourself

[indigo coral]

i did it for 17 bucks in oil and a filter

[civic girder]

but to be fair $50 is cheaper than a lot of other places

[dense shard]

Honestly. Over the last few years I did it. The cost was the same as taking it to a dealer for myself.

[stoic ledge]

$50 oil changes expensive? The oil itself is nearly that

[civic girder]

damn

[indigo coral]

buy it at costco

[stoic ledge]

Nah, the plane ticket is too expensive

[indigo coral]

23$ for 6 quarts of full synthetic

[stoic ledge]

xD

[civic girder]

I get Walmart oil for like $5
$2 for a filter

[dense shard]

I know how to do it... I'm just too lazy and the time it takes me.

[indigo coral]

yeah but you use fram filters 😛 @civic girder

[civic girder]

both my cars take less than 5 quarts of oil, so all I need is a 5 quart

[dense shard]

Dealership is faster and more convenient.

I've never had issues with FRAM tbh.

[indigo coral]

they're terrible

[civic girder]

@indigo coral shhhhhhhh
and the Prius has a Toyota filter now. And the RX-7 will get a real filter next time as well

[stoic ledge]

I do have to bring it in for the annual inspection, they can then change the oil etc for me

[indigo coral]

I'm actually glad to see that my engine is (as far as I can see) sludge free

[dense shard]

There's a good chance the Toyota uses a generic OEM filter made by FRAM or Mobil.

[civic girder]

no

Toyota OEM filters are Denso

so are Mazda iirc

[indigo coral]

I'd have to assume that there'd be sludgey stuff in the top if it was in the bottom, and the top was pretty damn clean considering the car had never been opened up

[dense shard]

And apparently the quality ranges with Denso depending on where they are made.

[civic girder]

that can be with a lot of products

[dense shard]

I'll probably just upgrade to a TRD filter.

[civic girder]

idk if there's many brands that have universal quality on everything

[dense shard]

Apparently they're US made.

[civic girder]

especially Tesla

[indigo coral]

ngl I'm surprised my dad didn't look at a used 4Runner TRD Pro

when we got our Explorer

[civic girder]

that's cause 4Runner bad

[indigo coral]

cause he isn't a fan of technology in cars (or so he claims, he certainly seems to like heated steeringwheel/adaptive cruise in his Taurus)

[civic girder]

jk, not really

[indigo coral]

And he wants something thats gonna last forever

[civic girder]

Ah, he wants something that will last

[indigo coral]

honestly, I'm not a big fan of offroady looking suvs usually, but the 4runner TRD Pro looks damn good

[civic girder]

Older Tundra

[indigo coral]

he wanted something fairly new.

Both of our cars were low miles (when we got them, explorer not so much anymore)

Taurus had 19k miles when we got it, Explorer had 30

taurus now has like 28k and Explorer is closing on 70

2013 and 2014 respectively

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Since I've been alive, my parents have only bought brand new. The Lexus was the one car my dad has bought used in my entire life

[indigo coral]

My mom bought a brand new truck when she was in her early 20s, and kept it until I started driving

everything else has been used

[stoic ledge]

Imagine buying new cars

[indigo coral]

She had her truck for 22 years

[civic girder]

I mean, buying new isn't bad

[indigo coral]

1997 Dodge RAM 1500 5.9L V8

(i think it was 97)

[civic girder]

Afterall, you can't get cheap used cars if no one buys new cars to replace their old ones

somebody has to do it

And if you have the money required to buy new over used, why not just get new

[indigo coral]

depreciation

[stoic ledge]

Well new cars are bought by or pensioners or as company cars, everything else is used or imported (also used)

[indigo coral]

depends on the car thuogh

[stoic ledge]

[indigo coral]

Buying a G70 new would be dumb as hell

buying a Tesla Model 3 new would be smart

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somebody has to buy new G70s, or there won't be used G70s to sell

[stoic ledge]

Cars here depreciate even faster due to emissions tax

[indigo coral]

yeah old boomers do

who drive them carefully to brunch

then sell them to idiots like me

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faccs

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WELL

idk about the g70

that one is more youthful/sporty than the other Genesis cars

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I mean, I'm gonna be suckered into buying whatever Mazda's next car is that has a rotary

[indigo coral]

I doubt you'll ever see rotary again as a primary method of propulsion

[civic girder]

Whether that's an MX-30 or something else, we'll see

[indigo coral]

maybe as the range extender

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

idk

we'll find out

[dense shard]

There are rumors of a new RX-7.

[civic girder]

and then I'll be an idiot who buys a new car

[stoic ledge]

MX-30 is an EV

[indigo coral]

Have they sorted out some of the problems w. it?

rotary i mean

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If they also release a new RX-7, I guess I'll be buying two cars lmao

[indigo coral]

(burning oil, garbage fuel economy, etc?)

[stoic ledge]

The sound tho

[indigo coral]

Cause that's not going to sit well with consumer reports and Mazda will be blasted all over the internet

[civic girder]

they will probably never "fix" the oil burning

The wankel engine burns oil by design

[dense shard]

It's unknown if Mazda will release a new rotary.

[civic girder]

However, they can fix economy and emissions

[indigo coral]

mazda is a weird company

tbh

[dense shard]

MX-30 sure, but an actual sports car? who knows

[civic girder]

^

[dense shard]

They're weird because they're small.

[indigo coral]

like their SkyactivX thing

terrible engine but cool technology

[civic girder]

Regardless, I'm gonna buy rotaries

[dense shard]

I heard it's an alright engine.

[civic girder]

brand new because fuck it

[dense shard]

It's not what people expected.

[indigo coral]

its not particularly powerful and only marginally better fuel economy

but its cool

[dense shard]

Yes, but it is much much cleaner.

[indigo coral]

yeah

[civic girder]

and then I'll proceed to continue dailying the Prius despite having an EV with range extender :p

[dense shard]

Shame the new Mazda 3 is such a porker.

[indigo coral]

and honestly kinda weird looking

[dense shard]

It looks nice enough.

[civic girder]

the new Mazda 3 is good looking wdym

the CX-30 is what looks weird

[dense shard]

But the design cripples sightlines.

The hatchback is tragic.

[civic girder]

I have no comment as I have not sat in one

[indigo coral]

the hatchback looks like its trying to eat the road

[dense shard]

It's pretty bad. There is essentially no usable rear view.

[civic girder]

the CX-30 looks really weird cause its a 3 with a lift kit and plastic trim everywhere

[dense shard]

You rely very heavily on blind spot monitoring and the back up camera.

[indigo coral]

the Honda/Kia/Genesis tech where its got the camera in the mirror is damn cool

eliminates the need for looking over your shoulder, since there's no blindspots

[civic girder]

eh

[dense shard]

It's not a great system.

[civic girder]

just adjust your side mirrors to remove blind spots

[indigo coral]

you turn on the signal and it pops up in the gauge cluster

[dense shard]

Honda's only works for right turns.

[civic girder]

^

[indigo coral]

really?

[civic girder]

Yep

[dense shard]

yeah

[indigo coral]

the Genesis/Kia one works for both

[civic girder]

Kia is Korean

and a different company

[dense shard]

And is in the gauge cluster.

[indigo coral]

nope

theyre both owned by Hyundai

[dense shard]

Kia/Hyundai's approach is better.

[indigo coral]

Hyundai owns Kia and Genesis

[civic girder]

yes

and they're all Korean

[indigo coral]

...yeah?

what does that have to do w anything

[civic girder]

I was saying they were different from Honda

[dense shard]

I turn my head, my mirror covers the blind spot, and I have BSA.

I don't need a camera at that point.

[indigo coral]

I can see easily out of my car since it's got a low beltline, incredible visibility and huge windows, but my Mom's explorer is hard to see out of

a camera would really be nice in that

[civic girder]

My friend's mom has a 16 Accord Touring with the camera, its only for right turns. I think it's in the cluster, but idk for sure.
My coworker has a 13 Fit, it has right turn camera on the center console

If you put your side mirrors pointing away, you can eliminate blind spots

And then a lot of cars have the little amber lights in the mirrors to indicate if someone is in your "blind spot" which is nice

[indigo coral]

wish mine had that

but mnes a boomer car

[dense shard]

I try to set my mirrors to cover blind spots.

I'm 99% of the way there.

[indigo coral]

i can't cover all my blindspots

but since i can see so well out the corners/back its not a big deal

the mirrors in my car are stupid

[civic girder]

One of my coworkers has no blind spots in his Mazda 2

I think its a 2012

[indigo coral]

aren't most mirrors slightly convex?

[dense shard]

mine are flat.

[indigo coral]

idk why mine are so awful, but the mirrors are huge yet you can't see much out of them

[dense shard]

I think mirrors are legally required to be flat.

[indigo coral]

like not a very wide field of view

[dense shard]

You can have a secondary mirror I think.

[indigo coral]

idk

I'd wager the mirros on my car is part of the reason the fuel economy sucks

part

the rest of it is that transmission

[stoic ledge]

Dacia is going to stary selling an EV next year... A really affordable EV

[fair bronze]

Just enough range to go to the store and back

[indigo coral]

like the nissan leaf?

[fair bronze]

Pretty much

[stoic ledge]

Probably a Zoe drivetrain I'd expect, idk

[indigo coral]

if we arent careful we'll summon satan

[fair bronze]

Most likely @stoic ledge

[indigo coral]

so we should probaby change the topic

[fair bronze]

You mean saetan

[civic girder]

I will stand by the MX-30 and Prius Prime being the superior EV

range extended EVs (except the BMW i3) are what we need since pure EV tech and infrastructure isn't there yet

BMW i3 range is pure trash, even with the range extender

[stoic ledge]

PHEV would be perfect for my parents.... Daily commutes as EV, if they have to go further they can use the regular gas engine... Perfect

[civic girder]

Yea

I can't see myself being able to have an EV anytime soon

I'm about to get a new job that will add about 15-20 miles onto my commute

but a range extended EV? I can see it.

I guess my options when it comes time are gonna be:
Subaru Crosstrek Hybrid
Toyota Prius Prime
Mazda MX-30 with range extender

[stoic ledge]

MX-30 doesn't have a range extender, does it?

[eager kite]

range extended EV

fancy wording for hybrid

[fathom socket]

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/this-ferrari-599xx-evoluzione-parked-on-top-of-a-pillar-in-forza-looks-really-se-141061.html

[dense shard]

MX-30 has an optional extender.

Just like the BMW i3.

[stoic ledge]

Ah we only get it as BEV, 35.5kWh

[dense shard]

bummer

[stoic ledge]

Ah maybe we get is later, but not confirmed yet

[dense shard]

ah yes

I forgot Bitwit owns an Audi RS3.

Both Kyle and Jayz are car guys.

[indigo coral]

370z doesn't count as a car guy car 😛

it's ancient

[dense shard]

He's also got a Camaro.

Full disclaimer: I'm a "car guy" in TRAINING. Super new to the car world (as I'm sure gear heads can tell from the video) but ya gotta start somewhere right? 🙂

Sure thing Kyle. Because we all start out with German high performance.

Face it. You are a car guy.

[stoic ledge]

Who?

[dense shard]

Kyle from BitWit.

[stoic ledge]

Never heard of thim

[dense shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b1kYt6jCpU

[stoic ledge]

Ah that dude, I've soon him before I think

https://youtu.be/-r7RBSfYTkk
Car throttle bought an Vauxhall Omega

[indigo coral]

i like those videos

[stoic ledge]

Yes same

[fair bronze]

Ooh an Omega

Have to watch that

[stoic ledge]

Not really much of the car in it, probably next week

Last RWD Opel (not including the GT which was just a rebadge)

[unreal terrace]

omegas are trash

change my mind

[stoic ledge]

They're RWD

And large

[unreal terrace]

and terrible in every sense of the word xD

[stoic ledge]

Why 🤔

[unreal terrace]

cuz its a 1980s car in modern clothes

[stoic ledge]

The Omega B was a brand new platform in 1994

[unreal terrace]

😛

[normal temple]

VROOM VROOM

[fathom socket]

ok so should i get a 1.4 mini from 07? its like 300 less to insure me on it than similar cars

[dense shard]

sure?

Are you in Europe or the US?

[night current]

Bruh, I want people to do a real world test on this, for some reason I doubt the actual results of the range.

[indigo coral]

tesla overstates range

[night current]

Yeah... That's stupid

[dense shard]

Depends on the range standard used.

EPA is 370 and NEDC is 393

Specifically for the AWD 100D/Long Range

Man those are heavy cars. 4850 pounds.

[indigo coral]

Real-world range is closer to 250 miles

[dense shard]

Real world range... like in literally anything "depends"

[indigo coral]

Well yeah, but on average if you're driving like a sane person would you're never going to hit 350+ miles.

That's what you get doing 45 in the slow lane with the heater/AC off

[dense shard]

I'd have to try it out personally.

I've found my highway driving lines up fairly well with my car's predicted EPA mileage.

[indigo coral]

ye but your car is not an inefficient tesla

lol

the PTC heater takes up loads of power

since tesla refuses to use a heat pump

[dense shard]

I imagine I could get 350+ miles in a Tesla S.

[indigo coral]

if it's 70F out and dry maybe

[dense shard]

Preheat at home, and use seat heaters on the road.

[indigo coral]

but the heater can take up to like 5kw

[dense shard]

It's Alabama. My car warms up in the sun more than not.

[indigo coral]

oof

For about 6 months of the year my car rarely leaves max hot

lol

but I'm also weird

[dense shard]

damn, wow

[indigo coral]

I've got...problems when it comes to cold

[dense shard]

Nah, all that aside.

I think I could give Tesla's range a good shot.

Gonna try for 40+ mpg tomorrow.

[indigo coral]

oof

[dense shard]

Doing another Atlanta run.

[indigo coral]

I get less than 40mpg rolling down hill'

only way I can get the indicator over 40 is if i either put it in neutral or am going 45+ down hill

[dense shard]

Also I think I've largely given up on my car getting Android Auto.

bluetooth is good enough at this point.

[normal temple]

My car says I get 99.9 mpg down a hill @indigo coral

[indigo coral]

mine has so much drag from the motor/trans that I lose speed going down hill

have to keep accelerating

[normal temple]

l m a o

[civic spoke]

@night current Range for electric cars is highly depandant on how you drive it, but even more the climate you drive it in.

Driven in extreme cold climates drops the range by A LOT

Jason Cammisa even lost 20% range on his e-Golf when changing from the eco tires with a smaller rim, up to a set of rims with the Pilot Sport 4S.

[indigo coral]

yeah

[eager kite]

Tesla just reports the estimated range by that region's regulatory commission

so it the US that's the EPA estimate

390 is the new EPA estimate

[civic spoke]

It says 379 miles (610 km) for us here in Sweden

[eager kite]

that's prob the outdated WLTP estimate

[civic spoke]

It is.

But I'd rather they underestimate, than overestimate.

[eager kite]

it's an outdated estimate

will probably be updated relatively soon

[civic spoke]

I'm not even sure how they do the real-world estimates.

[eager kite]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_Harmonised_Light_Vehicles_Test_Procedure

[civic spoke]

Asking, because my car can do anything between 6~8 L/100km. Depending on how I drive it.

Lately it's in the 7.5 L/100 km range. But it can go as low as 6 L/100 km.

I generally go 700~750 km's before I do a refill.

[indigo coral]

I saw a thing saying the first gen RX "eats transmissions like they're tic tacs"

Lol

It's not that bad if you use the car for it's intended purpose

Aka not towing

Seems like the vast majority pass 100k on original trans, some even 200k

Sure the risk is higher than normal but not quite eating them like tic-tacs

[unreal terrace]

then you live in Östersund or umeå and you actaully get 100km per charge

[civic spoke]

Or even worse, Luleå.

[unreal terrace]

Gotta succ to live 300k from the nearest town and you electric car only has 300km range when it's -35

[civic spoke]

Yeah

[fair bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-spacex-elon-musk-elon-musk-gif-13597458

[civic spoke]

Have said this before, will say it again, and again. But EV for majority of the people only suited as a daily driver.

Commuting to/from work, groceries, normal daily stuff.

[unreal terrace]

Yes :p

I'd love one, but they're like €30.000 and I might be able to afford a €3000 car if I take a loan X)

[civic spoke]

Even a cheap one is €30,000

[unreal terrace]

Yeah

Tho in 5 or so years there might be 2-4k EUR used EVs

[civic spoke]

One can hope.

Issue is that the batteries will hold their value pretty damn well.

[unreal terrace]

Ye

[civic spoke]

Nissan Leaf is one of the most sold ones. And that is close to €40,000

[unreal terrace]

And idk how they'll do with some mileage on them

Oo there's a leaf on blocket for 89.000kr

[civic spoke]

Renault Zoe is around €30,500

I'd be all about the new Honda EV.

[unreal terrace]

I'm just waiting for the i3 to drop in price X)

Gotta have dat carbonfibre

[civic spoke]

The i3 is 👌

One issue is just tires. And that it's pretty much just a car for city driving.

[unreal terrace]

Ye or good roads

[civic spoke]

Ohh, dang. The Honda E is priced similar to the Nissan Leaf.

[unreal terrace]

Pretty good equipment as standard tho

Or my standards are really low

[civic spoke]

Has much shorter range than the Leaf, tho. But 200~220 km is enough for most.

Even if it's cut it half, it should be enough.

[unreal terrace]

Yeah it's gonna be enough of 90% of driving

For me it would at least

[civic spoke]

I do around 100 km each day. Going to/from work.

[unreal terrace]

Oof that's quite far

[civic spoke]

I'd love an EV for the drive.

[unreal terrace]

My 60km feels like way too much bother

[civic spoke]

At a minimum of 40 minutes to get to work.

Around an hour to get home.

[unreal terrace]

Same here actually :p but if I do 120kph I get there in like half the time X)

[civic spoke]

That's illegal on the drive I do.

100 kph is the fastest limit on the E4 that I drive on.

You know. I'd be sort of tempted to get the Honda E.

If only we had charging capabilities where we live.

[unreal terrace]

Meh I only drive on 80 and 100kph roads :p

Can't they rebate for you to have a charger pole installed?

BMW does that still I think

[civic spoke]

The wiring in the garage isn't suitable for EV charging.

And oh, no. I realized that I have to park nose-in with the Honda E, if I do end up getting that.

[unreal terrace]

[civic spoke]

Our area is like 50 years old at this point.

You know what I love about the Honda E? Its turning radius.

[unreal terrace]

Lager than 11.4m? :P

[civic spoke]

Lager. lul

https://youtu.be/x6G-3_Aasao?t=534

Around 9 minutes. If timestamp doesn't work.

[stoic ledge]

Oof

[civic spoke]

4.3 meters.

So just over 14 feet. For you Americans.

[stoic ledge]

It can do circles around my car

My car is 3.999m long xD

[unreal terrace]

heck i edited that

lager than life plays in the distance

[fair bronze]

This is just awesome

[stoic ledge]

runs gaming PC of cars battery

[indigo coral]

oof

[civic spoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmPvGi4s9bg

[indigo coral]

mirage?

[civic spoke]

TL;DW - It's a tough question. Since the testing facilities doesn't take into account a bunch of stuff.

And from what I could gather, the American testing is a bit flawed?

[indigo coral]

yeh i just watched it

and yes its flawed

very very flawed

scummy automakers like tesla take advantage of the system so they can advertise """the safest cars"""

[civic spoke]

I don't like how stiff the Tesla chassis are. But they are more or less forced to be that stiff.

So that unwanted damage to the battery cells doesn't occur during accidents.

[fathom socket]

@dense shard sorry i know its a whole 17 hours later or something im in europe

[odd talon]

@civic spoke Well there are two entities crash testing, IIHS and NHTSA

[civic spoke]

Mhmm.

[odd talon]

EU only has Euro NCAP I think

How are both IIHS and NHTSA flawed?

[stoic ledge]

Since both aren't updated since the sixties

Or seventies or whatever

[dense shard]

What

IIHS updates every few years

The small frontal offset screwed a lot of automakers

[civic spoke]

But they don't update the ratings for cars that fixed their flaws on that test.

[eager kite]

Tesla's being stiff???

literally the whole front of the car is a crumple zone...

The battery pack is stiff, but that's a good thing because you don't want it to deform in a crash. Also keeps the cabin stiff which helps prevent intrusions, something you also don't want to happen in a crash

Also Tesla isn't taking advantage of anything. They are using the national system, along with many other international and private safety rating systems to advertise their safety

Only one of those is the NHTSA probability of injury rating which Tesla includes. No reason they shouldn't...

[drifting mantle]

According to this guy, the NHTSA's tests are outdated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmPvGi4s9bg

[loud gorge]

Boys I made an oopsie

I used the wrong water trying to remove my tint, and it had a 50 50 bleach water mix

And my door panel is not happy

[drifting mantle]

[indigo coral]

Rip

[eager kite]

@drifting mantle yea that was linked like 15 posts above

[drifting mantle]

Oh lol. I didn't scroll up. Literally all I read was your last 2 sentences x'D

[fathom socket]

He makes some good points

Testing a car against something its own weight just doesn't cut it when in America the most common car weights much more

In Europe that kind of test might be alright because we don't usually have giant pick up trucks etc

His main issue was that that format of testing means you can't really compare different cars safety and they aren't even representative of a car's actual safety irl if that makes sense

[eager kite]

yea I agree with those points

I just don't think @indigo coral's assertion that Tesla is being scummy by including those results in their safety pages is valid

[drifting mantle]

I have not heard of this, nor seen these new package cars.

I've seen a couple of white ones. Even some white tractors.

[stoic ledge]

The electruc vans haven't been built yet, that's why you haven't seen one yet xD

https://www.dezeen.com/2020/02/03/ups-vans-arrival-electric-vehicles/